NTSB B-Roll: Grade Crossing Collision in Mendon, MO
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2022
- 06/28/2022: NTSB Chair Homendy, NTSB investigators along with party members walk the accident scene of the June 27, 2022, Amtrak passenger train and dump truck grade crossing collision and derailment near Mendon, Missouri.
Correct me if I’m wrong but according to preliminary evidence dust was seen behind truck upon approach. Train sounded horn continuously up to point of impact(they always use horn normally thru crossing until locomotive has cleared the crossing intersection). Horn was activated at about 1/4 of mile before. No mechanical issues they said. Point of impact was rear of dump truck. Speed at time of activated horn was 89mph. Seconds before impact was 87mph(showed signs of emergency braking). The crossing is uncontrolled with only crossbucks and actual STOP signs. They never stated that the truck at all slowed or stopped before crossing the tracks. Otherwise he would of be struck in front. Because of slope and dump trucks coming from complete stops don’t accelerate fast at all. Especially on an uphill slopes ramp over tracks from a stop. Also it was said on the day of accident from different sources that the man’s wife was at the scene soon after it happened with in 30 mins or so. Assuming the estimated time from reports. She was kept by police from going up to her husband. How did she know right away or that quick that her husband, not on a train or working around trains initially for his job, was involved with the derailment, unless he was driving while on his phone while talking to her and she would of heard train horns and commotion in the backdrop of the call before being disconnected. I honestly think they need to check that evidence out and recalculate the situation. Gates or no gates, lights or no lights, it was plain daylight out regardless of obstruction of view. A truck driver should know the national dot rules and laws as well. Come to complete stop, look both ways, LISTEN, and slowly proceed with caution at any crossing. Lights and gates are known to fail in the past too. This sounds like a case of illegal distracted driving that costed him his life as well as three innocent passengers on train. Just because the law ain’t around doesn’t mean it’s okay to do what I think happened and that being careless and wreckless with nature around him.
I still don’t know understand how everyone says this train was moving at 87 miles an hour. Just look, the crossing is right there dude, it was definitely going slower
Unless the driver is hauling hazmat or operating a bus they don't have to stop at railroad crossing. Everything else seems to be spot on and make sense
@@EthanJC-hq8yt First of all, they got that speed info from the Event recorder (the train's black boxes). Those are not going to lie. Secondly, Amtrak is a lot lighter in mass than a mile and half long freight. So an Amtrak can stop a lot sooner in perfect conditions than a large heavy Freight. And finally, these were not perfect conditions. Its going to stop even faster when digging into the ground. When this train derailed it tore up the rails and dug into the ground / ballast and dirt, all that weight pushing into the ground created a large amount of friction. Its going to stop it in a short distance.
@@weirdfan88 There was a Stop Sign at this crossing... he HAD To stop. Everyone, no matter who they are, what they are driving or what they are carrying has to stop where there is a stop sign.
@@EthanJC-hq8yt passenger trains can stop faster than freight trains. Especially when they derail.
A company I owned did US DOT road, state and county crossings, and decelerations lanes. Before I even had an opinion, I would need to see the engineering specs on the intersection. If an intersection is too steep, trucks will try to roll the intersection. The train was not speeding according to the train posted speed limits. The fact that even farmers and residents knew the intersection was deficient makes me think nobody wanted to fix the problem.
If that's the case, hopefully the owners of the track (not sure if AMTRAK owns or shares this stretch) gets nailed by the federal regulators.
Excellent B roll footage. Revealed things not seen elsewhere. Thank you for this.
One thing you should look for is the front end footage from the amtrak train to make sure the truck didn't try to beat the train
The chair of the NTSB stated in an interview that the truck was moving at the time of the collision. It started on the crossing to the right, crossing right to left.
I would say the wife of the driver being at the scene SO soon after the crash tells all...if not most. He was talking to her or how else would she know he got hit there? Even the police would nt have known that fast who was in the truck. Also it was the middle of a clear sky day. MAYBE he was blinded by sunlight hitting his line of vision. The camera footage from the nose of the locomotive shows dust behind the truck....the speed recorder in the locomotive showed an 2 MPH decrease in speed just at the moment of the crash(BRAKES APPLIED). The horn was blowing a 1/4 mile away up to the crossing. My guess is they will look at the phone record of the deceased driver and see if he was talking on the phone at the time(ALTHOUGH THAT IS JUST A GUESS AT THIS POINT FROM ME...ANYWAY). SAD....BUT...IF that is the case then while crossing signals are always a benefit to have not all these private and rural crossings can be covered anytime soon. AND driving ANY vehicle requires COMMON SENSE. .......STOP LOOK LISTEN........this is tragedy for sure. MY condolences to the families of the victims who have died.
Where has the locomotive footage been released to the public?
The update with NTSB lady said that camera footage from the nose of the locomotive showed dust behind the truck.
I HAVENT seen it...that is what SHE stated.
@@davidpayne4310 It probably won't be unless a news organization sues to obtain access to it and then we might see it.
There was another truck from the company behind him. He may have called her.
Please note that the train tracks are at an angle to the crossing. A drivers line of sight is hampered by the angle & also by brush or trees. Also note that another dump truck saw the accident & could have called in the accident + notified his wife. We need to take a deep breath & be patient for the NTSB to sort through all these facts & info they gathered. They are the experts.
Let the true information get posted before condemning anyone. There was more than one truck involved with that levy work, so they would have known about the wreck real quick as the levy is close to that crossing. Those trucks are equipped with 2 way radios so count on the other drivers informing the dispatcher.
Thank you Frank for your compassionate comment. We’ll let the NTSB sort through all the data & info they’ve recovered. The NTSB are the experts. I feel sorry for the families who lost loved ones. There have been many hurtful comments made of the truck driver. This has to be so hard on his wife & family. I do not know anybody who was in this terrible accident. It’s just hard to see people jump to conclusions & condemn the driver in harsh comments. The tracks are at an angle to the crossing. This angle could have been the reason why the driver was unable to see the train. I pray people will be patient & let the professionals figure out all this info. Take care, Frank.
We've all driven down a road, going near the speed limit, and people just pull out in front of you, as they are unable to judge your speed, distance and their vehicle acceleration rate from a dead stop. All you can do is put the brakes on. Imagine a train coming at you at almost 90 mph, makes all the speed, distance and acceleration ratio equation twice as bad.
Even if the train was blowing there horn 1/4 mile back at around 90 miles per hour that only gives the person crossing less than 16 second before the train cross
I did that math in my head too, 1/4 mile at 60 mph (a mile a minute) would be 15 seconds, at 90 mph it would be 10 seconds.
Strange that the locomotive stayed upright while the rest of the train tipped over. I wonder why? I know rail cars can be a bit top-heavy, but considering it was a straight stretch, it makes little sense. The only thing I can think of is the truck damaging the rails, and the locomotive's inertia kept them on the recently bent tracks.
Oh, dear. :( I never even thought about derailments completely destroying the tracks, as well. What a nightmare. Hope everyone is ok.
4 died, 3 passengers were killed and the driver of the truck passed today. Really tragic as when you look at the scene there are no trees blocking the view at the crossing so why did he pull out? Could be a misjudge as the speed limit for a passenger train in that area is 90 MPH and an on-coming train never looks like it's going fast. We'll never know for sure if the truck just gave a glance and thought it was far off or what, but do think gate crossing would help take the guess work out of it. At least it will stop you from making a mistake in judgement.
@@cynthiafarshore4323 Terrible! TY for the info.
@@cynthiafarshore4323 yes, we will know for sure, there is footage from the train..
@@cynthiafarshore4323 I just read where a lawsuit has been filed against Amtrak already. Sadly, I can’t see Amtrak nor BNSF at fault in this. As sad as it is. I’m sorry for all involved.
@@noveless Oh the injury lawyers were in hospital rooms quicker than doctors ready to get their share of the dough. That's how those crooks operate. And when it's all done the victims will be promised the world of money then not hardly have anything since the lawyer will get it all for his vacation homes.
Interesting that the first engine, being the bearer of the impact, stayed on the tracks, whereas the rest of the train, especially the Superliner cars, derailed and overturned. I wonder if European-styled buffers would had help absorb the impact energy and help the the whole train stay on the tracks, or at least stay upright?
The cars are designed to stay together and fall on their side. The train impacted the rear of the dump truck . If it hit dead center you have a different energy force. Only the rail on the side of the car the train rolled on to was pulled up.
A Amtrak GE P42DC locomotive is around 270,000 pounds depending on how full the fuel tank is. The cars are only around 156, 000. Maybe just 12,000 pounds more with passengers.
It appears that the truck spun around and hit the train, knocking the cars off the track, based on the gestures of the NTSB officials when they are looking at the rear of the lead locomotive.
As per old rule, 20 mph limit for all unprotected crossings. If it was going 20 no derailment.
You can’t legislate against ignorance and stupidity. There are dark clouds everywhere.
Trucker mainly at fault for failing to yield to AmTrak train. But, I'm surprised at the poor condition (decaying) the wooden ties under RR track are in
The ties were in good condition, just rolled over. I was on the train and saw them.
Corp of engineers doing work why didn't they have a flagman at the crossing to protect vehicle traffic from this.
Well, the project was a few miles north of the crossing. Flagmen would typically only flag a work area - though if a lot of construction traffic is crossing an un-protected crossing, it'd make sense to station a flagman there during project operational hours. Before automation, all protected crossings were protected by flagmen.
@@MarkNobleUS The Government screwed up The rail line should have had a speed restriction in that area a whistle post both ways
@@alphonsotate2982 Or the Army Corps of Engineers could hire someone who knows how to safely operate a dump truck.
You going to flag every intersection all the way between point A and B?
Dump trucks crash into things and kill people every day. Partly because they're massive when loaded and often poorly maintained. Partly because they're not exactly driven by people who did well in high school Physics.
@@alphonsotate2982 there are whistle posts on each side of the crossing and on every crossing in the U.S.except for those stupid quiet zones
@@alphonsotate2982 It has whistle posts and the horn was sounded as required.. Listen to the NTSB briefings first.
I hate to see such events happen, ,all crossings are dangerous, driver probably crossed here a dozen times a day, complacency happens, probably never saw a train here, until that day and was too late, in our area on double track ,vehicles have been hit at unprotected crossings, vehicles were waiting for a first train on track one, as soon as it cleared ,they drove up on the crossing, directly into the path of a second train, going the opposite direction,
Always liked this type of meeting... you have about 20-25 'big shots' that come out and walk the damage and after they leave maybe 2-3 people do the real research of the crash site and write up a report...
The locomotive camera will show the reaction of the engineer and the the truck they struck at a whopping 89 mph at a unprotected crossing.
US rail need upgrading BIGTIME.
I have a feeling this accident is going to be a high profile one, hopefully one that leads to big change, like that American Airlines flight that opened everyone's eyes to microbursts or that cargo ship that stressed survival suits and the dangers of bulk carriers.
@@MarkNobleUS Well this specific accident was a passive grade crossing, so making it an active grade crossing would be a start. We also don't know for sure but the NTSB has for a long time recommended seatbelts on trains. Earlier this year there was a commuter train which had a passenger fatally ejected. It wouldn't prevent this kind of accident of course but it could potentially prevent loss of life. Alternatively there could be more research done into early warning systems to better alert train drivers to oncoming hazards or something else. Perhaps even just a complete rework of our crossings and warning systems.
The airline accident you are referring to that was caused by a "microburst" was Delta Airlines on approach to ATL......not American Airlines.
@@theimperialowl1011 . . . "there could be more research done into early warning systems to better alert train drivers to oncoming hazards or something else. Perhaps even just a complete rework of our crossings and warning systems." That and more emphasis on railroad grade crossing safety/awarness for CDL holders (and the general public as well) are great places to start in finding workable solutions to this on-going problem. Substitute "dump truck" with "school bus full of children" and maybe someone might be interested in this matter. Hope it doesn't take anty more of the latter to do so . . .
@@Travel4Living you're probably right.
@@Travel4Living I believe they are referring to the Delta Air Lines Flight 191 crash at DFW. 1985-08-02
The experts on the scene..
Why do all the orange vests bring up the image of a monkey and a football?
@@mmi16 These folks are there to help protect your safety and life, and they do.
@@mmi16 they are all experts in what they do.. Amtrak and I believe BNSF are already suing the trucking company .
How many feds does it take to investigate a train wreck?
I can answer the results of the investigation simple fact is the truck driver screwed up to put it in polite language, failed to yield to the train as in probably didn't even stop. The crossbucks should say stop look and live, to bad they can't posthumously cite the truck driver well I guess they could
Hey folks. The ntsb, local and state knew it was a dangerous crossing. Its similar to how traffic lights are approved. It doesnt get done until someone dies or total accident count. There are about 3500 more rural crossings in the deep sleep state of mo. Where is it next?
NTSB can't do anything about it - they have no power to make changes. They just report on their findings and make recommendations to the agencies that can effect change.
Classic American shut the barn door after the horse has left
@@arnoldstafford3620 its the government.. They dont work for us. Train derailment in ga yesterday. Go figure. Oh. Bnsf and the county are the first to be sued.
@@stephenj4937 true. Whose responsible? You tube search this. What you see and read will make this look like a fender bender
Front engine up right, and yet the rest if the cars are layed over on their side and the track is destroyed 🤔 in all the years of removing destroyed equipment and picking up debris their's something very wrong with this picture regardless of who or how or what, my condolences to the man's wife n family
The truck spun back around and hit the train, knocking it off the tracks.
Looks like the driver was at fault, if you have a commercial Drivers license, then you know as part of the road test, when approaching a railroad crossing you have to slow and look both ways just prior to crossing over the tracks... Folks these days think it's a game to beat a train to the crossing..
Not me. I don’t think it’s a game to try to beat a train at a crossing. From the facts I know, the railroad tracks were at an angle to the crossing. This angle hampered drivers from seeing a train. The brush & trees caused poor visibility. Farmers have let officials know of the poor visibility. It’s best to leave the conclusions of this terrible accident to the NTSB.
NTSB means Not The Sucker Brothers so…… that means you can fool them once, but you will get caught the second time around 🤓😏😕🤨
Where was the NTSB before the accident? Lot's of warnings in advance. Oh, they are so impressive. The government is worthless so much of the time. And all of these people on payroll!
Isn't a train hitting a truck normally like a baseball bat hitting a ping pong ball?
Dump truck was full of aggregate, could have been close to 30 tons, that's a pretty big mass to hit at 80 or 90 mph
CONSIDER A PING PONG BALL MADE OF SOLID STEEL OR LEAD!!
Big heavy vehicles like that do have a substantial impact on a train. Impacts with very heavy vehicles very often jolt the train enough to make it leave the track.
From other impacts with big trucks that I have checked out, the initial impact may not put the train off the track, but some of the large vehicle may swing around and end up going under train locomotives or cars just behind the lead locomotive. That can be enough to lift even a heavy locomotive just enough to put it off the track.
This looks suspiciously like that. The lead Locomotive # 133 is still on the rails. The second locomotive # 166, has its front truck substantially on the rails but it's rear truck is just off the rails. That could have been caused by part of the dump truck getting under that locomotive or the baggage car right behind it. From the limited views I've seen of the track, it looks like the rear truck of Locomotive # 166 was on the ties very shortly after the crossing.
The train stopped in just a bit over it's length, it looks like the right hand rail was pushed out by 166 which left the whole train to roll over simultaneously onto it's side. A near instant stop from 87 MPH!
@@Holabirdsupercluster goes to show how well the loco is constructed indeed. helluva hit.
@@michaelsullivan3581 I agree with all of your comment but look closely, the lead truck on the lead unit derailed too.
LOOK LISTEN LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like a lot of people on here have never drove anything with a clutch. Park on the hill at the stop sign, now get the truck rolling up hill when its loaded over 60,000 pounds and wants to roll backwards Hope you have 3 legs to work with. You have to find a way to release the brake pedal a little, release the clutch pedal some and push down on the gas pedal, with any luck it won't stall if done rite. The gear that the truck is in is so slow an ant could beat you across the tracks. Be ready to shift once you're on the crossing don't miss the gear. Now once you're on the crossing imagine hearing the Amtrak blow the horn a quarter mile out. The truck driver doesn't know how fast the trains going he just knows Hes got to get off the tracks. From the time he heard the horn, he had 10 seconds to clear the track, if the train was a quarter mile from the crossing. As for being on the phone and that's what caused this. It's hard to steer and shift and hold the phone. You would have to have three hands to go with your three legs. No drivers to blame here Not the engineer or truck driver, you can blame the pencil pushers for this one. They were told by the farmer something had to be done.
Durrrrrrrrr
DOT rules explicitly forbid shifting gears on R/R tracks. At an uncontrolled crossing you are required to stop before the tracks, put your rig in gear, and then proceed. Not ragging on you, just a little information to ponder. Also, an experienced driver can "toe and heal" the brake and clutch simultaneously. This is an old technique that most young drivers know nothing about. Of course, all of this is assuming the truck didn't have an automatic transmission. We don't know that information. Take care.
Actually, you only need to come to a complete stop before the tracks if you are hauling HAZMAT, such as gasoline. I'm an old tanker yanker and I automatically deferred to those rules.
Did the NTSB say the driver was holding the cell? It’s possible the driver had cell on speaker phone & had both hands to operate the truck. We will have to wait for the NTSB’s facts on this.
@@DeanieyMayy None of that matters. The bottom line is that the operator failed to realize where the train was and paid the ultimate price for his lack of situational awareness. May he rest in peace. The NTSB are a bunch of chumps.
I see wasted salaries. I read a few comments and all I see is a huge group of people walking a place. If this was a plane crash every piece would be put in a building to figure out what happened. SMH.
Looking at how the railroad ties crumbled, looks like they were long overdue to be replaced and the track broke loose from the sudden hard braking of the train. When the NTSB walks the tracks you can see how the ties just crumbled.
Need the new cement ties.
Tracks don’t “break loose” from a hard break
Not crumbled, they rolled over.
The Truck Driver was lacking situational awarness. The trucking company IS RESPONSIBLE for this mess. The driver should've NEVER been talking on a cell phone while driving and if he would've paid attention, he would not have attempted to cross over that railroad crossing.
On the other hand, BNSF Railway IS responsible for having many railroad crossings in piss poor substandard shape without active signals as warning devices... No excuses.
Amtrak should not oversell their trains, part of their mismanagement...
The Southwest Chief, it's Crew and it's passengers ARE THE REAL VICTIM HERE.
I HATE DUMP TRUCK DRIVERS!!!
Why?
Probably "Suicide By Train".
No indication of that so far. The road crossed the tracks at a sharp acute angle, up a steep incline, with vegetation blocking the view of the tracks farther down from the crossing. The driver might have had difficulty seeing the train, although it's his responsibility to make sure. Stop sign at the crossing; heavily loaded dump trucks can't accelerate fast from a stop on an uphill incline. Sad in any case.
@@abc-wv4in
Smart thing would be to have the road go UNDER the tracks at these crossings, then you don't have to look for the train at all.
@@BillySBC everyone knows that bridges are safer than crossings. Its just that nobody can realistically afford to build a bridge at every crossing in the nation. Its a selection of which roads are busy enough to justify it best. An agricultural asses road to a levie probably don’t justify that coast. Crossing gates maybe if the road needs to be there, but if it isnt it may just be removed.
@@shopdog831
It's just a matter of excavating the area under the track and putting in those really large box culvert pipes they use for drainage. Then just run the road through the pipe. Not a tremendously expensive approach, but we can't have this nonsense over and over again of trucks getting hit at train crossings.
@@BillySBC , that sounds simple, but you’re not considering surrounding grade levels and water drainage. If they are working on a nearby levee the area may be subjected to flooding. An excavation under tracks with 14’ legal clearance might be a 4-6 foot deep pond if it rains.
It is a wonder why the NTAB dont in force rules like the EPA and the ATF do on us this is sad our Government is messed up.
NTSB investigates the scene. FRA writes the rules, just like EPA etc. that you refer to.
NTSB can only hand out 'recommendations'
What good is it for all those NTSB chumps to walk the accident scene? Getting paid taxpayer $, for what? You know damn well they are going to say it was the trucker's fault and that will be the end of that. Never mind what the farmer had to say about the railroad ignoring the potential problem at the crossings.
Is the farmer that's getting all the attention by making a statement about the crossing a professional I grade crossing and road construction or just a local the news media happened to find, kinda like the folks that saw the UFO , immediately experts.
@@pauljones2762 What exactly are you trying say Paul? Your grammar leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe it was a UFO that hit the truck? Or maybe the train hit a UFO, and the farmer is obviously an alien. I'm sure the entire incident is a Russian conspiracy, and the news media is working for the Mafia.