The Most Overrated Bands Of All Time (according to Jim!)
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The first band that came to my mind was Kiss. I can't see how anyone over 15 can take that band seriously. I have to admit that Simmons and Stanley are top notch businessmen though.
Especially Simmons. He's great at marketing them.
Kiss are NOT overrated, because hardly anyone praises them for the musical skill. If people called Kiss the greatest band of all time then they could be called overrated. I listened to some 70s Kiss albums recently. My expectations were low, probably a case of being brainwashed into thinking they're be terrible, but musically I don't see what the strong feelings are about either way. I didn't love them or hate them. I'd say I like it, to a degree. The hate they get seems like overly forced pompous snobbery, just pissing on something crass and popular for the sake of signaling your "superior" taste. Snobs ironically equate mass popularity with worthlessness. Ace Frehley I will say is very underrated as a guitarist, especially live. His playing is very fluid and sometimes blistering, and he was doing tapping before EVH. They're a POPULAR band because they write catchy songs and have an entertaining stage show. I play guitar and looking at some Kiss tabs they're harder to play than some might realize. A lot of Beatles and Led Zeppelin riffs are simpler than an average Kiss song.
Okay that's the good points, the bad points are that none of them can sing well and the lyrics are typical cock rock cliches. After 1977 they're mostly meh. And Gene Simmons is a douche, but that shouldn't make you judge the music.
I think Kiss are like Wrestling (WWE), it's pretty hard understanding how an adult can find that kind of stuff entertaining. And a lot of intelligent and respectable musicians like them too. It's a mistery.
Regarding the Beach Boys, John Lennon and Paul M. seemed to have a really high opinion of Pet Sounds, particularly. If I recall correctly it was what pushed The Beatles to to produce Sgt. Pepper.
Funny, I have a fairly large collection and none of these artists are in there. Good picks Jim.
I couldn't agree more with your picks, Jim.
Nice work, Jim… not as controversial as I expected actually! In terms of the Seattle / Grunge scene, Soundgarden was >> Nirvana for me in terms of musical quality and range. No disrespect to Dave Grohl, and I like the band but Foo Fighters is also incredibly overrated. Massive following (they became very same, same and radio friendly after the first two albums).
I'm there with you. Never really felt that impressed by Nirvana. I thought both Soundgarden and Alice In Chains wrote better songs than Cobain.
Nirvana is my number 1 overrated band. Couple of catchy poorly played songs. That’s it! Mind boggling ✌️
Yup, I love Foo Fighters, seen them live 3 times, and probably the best time was the Hyde Park concert that was released on DVD. That was a brilliant day, hot as hell and great support bands, like a mini festival. But overrated, yup, I think so too!
@@stpnwlf9 yes, definitely add AiC to the list of truly great bands
Kudos for doing a video that's only gonna get you in trouble lol. Agree with some of your picks and strong disagree with others, but it's all good. Should make for some fun comments lol.
I wholeheartedly agree with this whole list aside from Nirvana. Those songs are simple enough to be hummable earworms and the lyrics are often quite poetic. "Meat-eating orchids forgive no one just yet, I cut myself on angel hair and baby's breath." Not too shabby. Lastly their tunes are at times surprisingly complicated with the way the chords and vocal melodies come together. Rick Beato touched on this with In Bloom just a day or two ago and that guy knows his theory. That said I'm not here to convert rather theorize why people might like them and to say that there exists a hidden complexity beneath the simplicity. Cheers!
Kurt Cobain himself on a few different occasions said he gave zero shits about his lyrics and that he wrote multiple songs in like 10 mins. So he kinda counter argues himself when it comes to his lyrical ability
Fantastic stuff Jim. I would agree with all of those pics. I think U2’s finest is Achtung Baby, followed by War.
Oasis in my view are by far the most overrated.
Yep. Finally the floodgates have opened.👌
Oh yes as side note. they did a couple of moderately decent songs as Oasis but they are ven worse as Beady eye and high flying turds, it's complete elevator Muzak.
I seen a commercial for a documentary about liam selling out the huge concert relatively recently and I literally was rendered speechless. I thought these two brothers were has beans and Noel more liked for some reason. I do love their oldschool antics for some laughs that I don’t take too serious. Liam not showing up for that show and then going in late and heckling from the audience is epic though. But musically they are barely OK
Yes! Two decent albums 30 years ago and after that... nothing.
Honestly I feel like they are overheated tbh most people say they suck now and 90% of Brit pop people glaze Blur cause Damon was hot. Were they an amazing band on the level of the Beatles def not but they aren’t bad
This was a very well articulated video, Jim! I agree with most of it. I love Dylan myself, but fully understand your own grievances 😂. The Beach Boys are the only ones I'll really stick up for, if only due to their sheer musical output. They released 19 studio albums in 11 years! Plenty of good stuff in there. Nowhere near as cohesive as The Beatles, but who were in those days?
Quantity doesn't necessarily relate to quality though.... if that's the only criteria then Cliff Richard should be on a pedestal!
Phew I feel like doing the Bill Hicks' "Cops" line - "I'm not alone ? I thought I was alone" - U2 in particular as so many people have tried to convince me they were special. As for Springsteen, the problem for me is that the songs/lyrics are just marinated in Americana (I know, what would you expect him to write about given his background ?) but not being American means I just struggle to connect with the feel of the songs - I think Paddy Macaloon pretty much nailed this feeling with "Cars and Girls". And then of course, there's Oasis - probably THE biggest example of making the smallest amount of talent fool the biggest number of people. I'd take issue with the inclusion of The Beach Boys - I'm not a massive fan but Brian Wilson's songwriting/compositional feel is just so many levels above Oasis et al. I would have left out The Beach Boys and slipped Queen in ;-)
I think "The Most Underrated Bands Of All Time" would be an interesting list to compile (hint hint)
You nailed it about Bruce Springsteen.... My overseas friends seem to enjoy John Mellencamp more....he comes across as more relatable and genuine.
I think an underrated video is on the cards too!
@@JimNewstead Will look forward to it - XTC would probably top my list (and how that Jack Dennison bloke isn't more critically acclaimed I just don't know 🤪)
For me with U2, I love the early stuff up to Rattle and Hum, after that they had a few good songs and now the albums have mostly fell off. October and Joshua Tree are great albums, but anything after that I can't get my head around at all Jim! I also can't understand why Taylor Swift is put on a pedestal, I'll probably get slated for that but oh well, I agree with all your points Jim!
you know I agree with you on U2, they had they’re moments but for the most part I personally have not been able to get into them.
Almost all RnB stars are way overrated, everything that teens adore are. There is much less talent people think. But Taylor Swift is probably one of the best picks for most overrated artists.
I have never heard a Taylor Swift song so can't comment on whether she is overrated or not.
@@JimNewstead Taylor has a wonderful voice, the only thing is the lyrics are sorta basic. But some artists can make bad lyrics sound great and she is one of them. I won't lie bad blood is still stuck in my damn head haha
@@JimNewstead Neither have I (a full song). But I have been unfortunate enough to have been exposed accidentally to some excerpts and that is enough to know where she stands at.
Brian Wilson's music is on it's own level. Also context of the times is his vision as a producer. He heard (hears) combinations of sounds in his imagination, and paints musical imagery like a soundtrack. Also infectious melodies and harmonies. NO ONE was doing this. It was a new thing, there was also the legendary
lost album, "Smile", that finally came to light in the mid 2000s the was a true concept album. Again with tear-jerking melodies.
Ok, thank you. So that's the reason.
Agree, Brian Wilson recreation of the Smile sessions is breathtaking. Any album that contains Heroes and Villains, Surf’s Up and Good Vibrations is a masterpiece in my mind. I love the production, melodies and soundscapes through the album.
Cannot really be critical of your list. I would agree that most of them are overrated. Pity you don’t get The Beach Boys or Bob Dylan. My ex who was a jazz singer also couldn’t get past the voice. I think he is a lyrical genius.
Jim, Beach Boys are a USA and maybe more specific a California band. I know others like it but it’s themed around the ocean, beach, and suffering culture.
I love you for making this video, Jim. Agree with pretty much everything, too. I completely understand where you're coming from with Bob Dylan, and it's not just his voice, he's really not a good singer. He does have his moments, though (the live recording of Hurricane is incredible). I especially don't like bands that seem so smug about their success, like Oasis, though I try not to get too angry about such nonsense these days. Have a good one, Jim!
It took me about 35 years to understand Neil Young until I decided to give him a chance when I bought one of his compilations around 2005. I don't know what happened then but for some reason it hit me and I totally got him. Sometimes some bands or artists come in our lives at a specific moment and if we are "ready", we get them. Like when I first heard KISS I was 9 or 10 years old and I was hooked on the first song. A girl who lived in my building on whom I had a big crush played them for me, so that probably had a big role to do with why I loved KISS so much! All this to say music and emotions are very closely related. You probably just haven't connected emotionally to any of the bands you mentioned, and that's okay too. Some bands I loved I fell out of love with, like U2.
Only disagree with the beach boys and especially with dylan. Everything else is spot on
Hi Jim, greetings from Texas. I agree with most of your list. Yes, Springsteen and Dylan are overrated for their full body of work, however, each have at least one or two albums that I would put in my top 50 favorite albums: Dylan's Blood on the Tracks I think is a masterpiece, and The Wild, the Innocent, and the E street Shuffle/Greetings from Asbury Park (Springsteen's first and second albums) are sublime works of art.
I would largely agree with you about Springsteen's first two albums, and add Born to Run. I think it tails off pretty quickly after that.
Perhaps I need to listen to more (if I can bring myself to do it!)
Good points.
I think what comes across clearly from this video is that you are someone who puts musical exploration and instrumental excellence ahead of lyrics and songwriting, and that's fair enough, it's probably true of a lot of people who are into rock. prog and metal. I tend to have more of a balance between the two. I think there is a certain amount of snobbery attending the apparently widespread dislike of Oasis. They are somehow viewed as being unworthy. I think the only thing they are guilty of is enjoying the unlikely success that came their way, and not suffering enough for their art. They didn't save guitar music, but they did maintain guitar music in the mainstream spotlight, arguably beyond its sell-by date, instead of it being consigned to the niche where it now resides. They did help save the UK from being overwhelmed by Grunge. Brit-pop was a lot more fun. And I don't think there was any pretence about Oasis. Noel Gallagher was perfectly candid about where the songs came from, and never claimed to be a great musician. I think what sticks in some people's throats about Oasis is that they were a guitar/rock band that was embraced by people who weren't fundamentally fans of guitar based rock music, who didn't know or care about the difference between a guitar virtuoso and someone who strummed a few chords, but that's just the eternal whine of the nerds in the corner complaining their favourite band is being ignored. The same people who would turn on that band if it ever achieved mainstream success. I say all this as someone who isn't a particular fan of Oasis, but enjoyed the ride at the time. And if someone is still singing Wonderwall on a street corner in forty years time, they will have had the last laugh.
I hope that I'm not snobby about music, that's certainly not the case. I actually quite enjoy a good sing-along to Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova along with the best of them. But you know, it's just opinion!
@@JimNewstead Sorry, I wasn't meaning to point the finger at you specifically. It's just that when this topic has been addressed across various channels the name of Oasis has come up so often it was beginning to seem like a bit of a pile on. I think success alone does not make for being overrated, it has to come packaged with inflated claims of social and cultural significance, or of being the best band of all time, and thirty years after the height of Britpop I don't think that is the case with Oasis.
I definitely agree with your comments on Joy Division, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan. Though, my late wife used to rave about Springsteen's " The River " album.
I also don't " get " Ed Sheeran ( though, he is a lovely bloke ) or Taylor Swift's popularity.
I think with Slipknot, there are a handful of songs you might enjoy, such as Circle, Vermillion (both parts) and Snuff, which go against their traditional sound. But if you don't like their traditional sound, you're gonna be left cold by almost all of their catalogue. For me, their second album 'Iowa' came out just at the right time for me, and likely prevented my self-harm in secondary school from becoming a real problem.
Music is very personal and important at the individual level, and I'm so glad they were there for you at a time that you needed them. Certainly in your case, they are not overrated!
@@JimNewstead It really is, and so many of my favourite records often turn up in list videos for worst of a particular year or genre. And it's a shame Slipknot are so popular, makes you wonder what kind of sound they'd have if they focussed more on the avant garde elements of their canon, rather than trying to make singles.
Oh, you REALLY naild it! Spot on! 👏🤝
Thank you kindly!
I was 16 growing up in Warrington when definitely maybe came out. Hit me and my friends like a piledriver and inspired lots of us to start bands. It was about being there and young at that moment. After that they got too big and too big headed and it fizzled out. As for the others I love Bruce soringsteen who has always been about the live performances rather than studio. And beach boys, such unique melodies and arrangements of beauty but definitely not for everyone.
It’s all about whether you were there and if it reminds you of something.
Always. The music itself is often just a portal, an association to the events and subsequent memories of that time that someone deems profound and meaningful.
Dylan's music has been interpreted better by others then doing his own stuff himself. He has had some incredible tunes that were redone, and he did inspire Tom Petty and the Beatles and others to explore the singer-songwriter. He also had a lot of topical impact in his day.
Exactly. He was the first superstar who played only a guitar, out on stage, all by himself, (occasional harmonica) and who sang songs with political and cultural deep meaning; story telling laced in beautiful poetry. These things not only changed music but even helped stop the Vietnam War.
I don't have a problem with any of your choices. I could add a few more, which by and large would fall into the "Rolling Stone and NME love them" category...
Give Dylan a listen, i think it's worth a try.
Being a Proghead, I used to think Pink Floyd and, more specifically, " Dark Side of the Moon " was overrated.
Don't get me wrong - a fabulous live act - saw them in 1988.
I now stand corrected as recently viewed 2 brilliant Documentaries on Floyd.
" Wish You Were Here" is a beautiful, magnificent album.
" Animals " is also great, and some of the stuff with Syd Barrett still sounds superb.
Not everyone has heard of prog. but, EVERYONE has heard of Pink Floyd.
The Wall is appalling though 😖
@@michaelcapewell4811 Agree. Only 2 good tracks on it: Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell.
95% with you. I would probably rate The Beach Boys a little less harshly, although you were, to be fair, quite guarded with your comments.. Really, really good melodies and glorious rich harmonies that are absolutely rivetted in my memory. I found Pet Sounds wishy washy. Holland, for me was their best album, although it was very heavily compressed. I loath remastered albums, but the remaster of Holland, is an improvement. That's my 5% deviation from your train of thought. All the best :)
The Beach Boys greatest hits double album called Endless Summer shows there magnificence. Good vibrations is one of the greatest songs of all time. Overrated does not apply to them.
Think I agree with all your selections. Saw Ed S support The Darkness last year at The Roundhouse and whilst you can admire his confidence, not 1 song stuck in my head. Amazing that he is so popular. The word Bland comes to mind.
Absolutely spot on, Jim! The only one I may slightly disagree with is the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson was probably the first artist to use the studio as an instrument in its own right. His arrangement skills were also superb. Otherwise, I agreed with them all. Especially Dylan! Ugh! Horrible voice.
Hi Jim! Found myself nodding my head at every one of your suggestions. This might sound strange in that I included Bob Dylan in my "Wind" theme songs. Sorry Jim! I like what he did but for me he was an iconic symbol of the 60s protest movement but I can't understand why he is still in acclaim now. His voice has gone and he hasn't IMHO ever done anything significant since his golden age. My favourite Dylan album is "Live at Boudokan". I like some U2 and Oasis songs but I do think they are rated much higher than they deserve, Beach boys I could never get, I detested Slipknot and disliked Kiss, Bruce Springsteen I like some of his songs but agree with you JIm he is elevated higher than his importance, I think because he did "Born in the USA" he's considered an American patriot which has raised his profile. Ed Sheeran 100% agree, there is a film I love called "Yesterday" about a guy who recreated Beatles songs because nobody knew who the Beatles were. Unfortunately, Ed Sheeran also appears in parts of the film, which grates me somewhat, especially when he insists that Jack Malik change the song title of "Hey Jude" to "Hey Dude"!
There is one solo artist I would add to the list Amy Winehouse. Could never understand the popularity, again another artist that sadly died, however, I cannot get what people see in her voice saying she is an amazing voice. To me it's very ordinary, nothing special.
Perfectly put! Thanks Tony
Wow, what a list! Bruce would probably be my number one. I get that he is held as a blue collar hero, but surely he couldnt write from that perspective from a mansion after his first few albums? And the songs are formulaic and predictable.
Almost 100% my list, except for Dylan 60s - halfway 70s. Try "It's all right Ma - I'm only bleeding"
Jim hasn't ducked out on this one. He could have chosen Aqua 'I'm a Barbie Girl' and other such bands instead. But Jim has run out of the trenches. Even staring down The Boss.
Not sure if it was the wisest move!
Now how about a "Most UNDERrated" list now? I would suggest Devin Townsend and Nightwish for starters.
I’m sure it’ll come!
I think, I can agree with most of it. There are a couple of Nirvana Songs, that are written interesstingly, but as you said, does it really deserve the reputation it has? When it comes to U2, I guess it's the live performances, that I enjoy. Saw two concerts, but don't listen to them on a regular basis.
Though I understand why some folks like certain bands, a few overrated groups and artists in my view are: Genesis, Rush, Kiss, Nirvana, Oasis, Van Morrison, ELP, U2, Springsteen, Black Sabbath, the Who, Uriah Heap, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Guns and Roses, Def Leppard, Bob Dylan, whole chunks of Frank Zappa, Procol Harem, Pearl Jam, Tool and King Krimson. Bowie was hit and miss and the Rolling Stones really only nailed a couple of handfuls of songs. The Beatles to me are dated and mostly unlistenable. Some bands who peaked in my opinion are: Led Zep, who only had (portions of) 2, (all of) 3, 4, HOTH and Physical Graffiti; Aerosmith - '75 to '79; DP - In Rock, Fireball, Machine Head, Burn and some of Stormbringer; Pink Floyd - Meddle, DSOTM & WYWH
Jim, you are so spot on with your choices. We must have similar tastes.
I agree with all your choices except for Bob Dylan. You commented about his voice and not liking it.What about all the growling bands and the annoying noises they make.
Each to their own David!
@@JimNewstead Fortunately we all have different thoughts on what music should be. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks Jim.
I agree mostly with every artist, with exception to Nirvana and The Beach Boys (their sound is like a sonic time capsule it just evokes a specific time and place in history). But though you're 100% right about Bob Dylan I think the thing with him is that he's a great lyricist/poet that people appreciate.... even if it sounds like it's coming out of a strangled cat.
Agree 100%, but for me belongs Dream Theater, Grateful Dead and Metallica in this List. All not bad, but for me to much hype.
I agree 100% and I would add some more. Fun stuff!
Jim, I agree with the following;
KISS - pop in makeup
BEACH BOYS - nice sound but not crazy about them
E-STREET BAND - zzzzzzzzzz (Bruce lps are cool)
ED SHEERAN - pop dross
BOB DYLAN - whining nasal snore-fest
My own;
TOM WAITS
LEONARD COHEN
IRON MAIDEN
JUDAS PRIEST
MOTLEY CRUE
I take issue with Maiden!
I agree with most of these. But sometimes legacy is not about the sheer amount of quality. Joy Division was a kickstarter for the post punk movement the same way Nirvana was for the "Grunge" movement. While I also agree with Slipknot... they are surely not just Noise. They have some proper hits with great melodies.
I'm about 90% in agreement with you.
I never liked Kiss and never understood their appeal. I've no opinion on Joy Division; not even sure I know their music.
I'd only differ from you in part on Slipknot. I'll agree most their mainstream music isn't that special. I do think I could name a few tracks you'd really like, though. It's when they shed the bombastic veneer and turn introspective that they can shine.
Guide me to the Slipknot sweet spot!
Great video, Jim.
I also always thought Kiss were vastly overrated, and I've never owned any of their albums. Several of my friends had their albums & loved them, and I played a number of their tunes at my own live gigs (as drummer & vocalist), but I never "got" why they were so popular...their songs are nothing special and clearly made for the sake of commercialization (certainly worked very well for them).
U2 were really good up to Joshua Tree, but after that album..."frankly dear, I don't give a damn". My favorite U2 album will always be "War".
Joy Division provide nothing for me at all.
I never cared much for The Beach Boys.
Bob Dylan writes great songs for other people to play (i.e., Jim Hendrix absolutely OWNS "All Along the Watchtower", "Like a Rolling Stone", and "Drifter's Escape").
Nirvana is kinda so-so for me. I like maybe about half of their songs (at most), but I can kind of see why people liked them so much at the time they came out, just as the hair/glam metal bands started dying out. We cannot deny they were one of the bands which shifted the music culture into the next phase, but to me, there were a bunch of bands from that scene I thought were much better (e g., Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Melvins, Mudhoney, Gruntruck, Screaming Trees, Green River, Skin Yard, etc.). Nirvana certainly impacted culture at the time, but they're definitely overrated. I put Pearl Jam alongside Nirvana too.
I never liked Bruce Springsteen either, just plain boring to me...enough said.
Ed Sheeren? I just don't get it either...smh 😂 No more comments.
Perfect!
Oasis!?? Yeah, you've definitely hit the nail on the head with that one Mr Jim. I remember at Uni in the 90s in Australia and blaring out from every speaker in the dormitories was flippin Wonderwall with those whiny nasal vocals, doin my head in and driving me round the twist! I was hanging out for those spectacularly overrated pint sized Gallagher tossers to punch each other's lights out on a permanent basis and give us all a monumental reprieve from the so called brit pop utter tedium. To tell you the truth, I was bored rigid.
Oasis is one of the biggest jokes in the history of rock and rock business.
Yeah totally agree about Oasis. To me it just sounds like guys whining with no substance. At least with Stone Roses, some of their songs were catchy, albeit they all kind of sound similar.
Surprisingly interesting one and I agree with vast majority of picks, apart from perhaps three, maybe four. First Joy Division, they've been pretty damned influential on post rock, and bands like Nine Inch Nails and Swans, but they've never been huge. They're not one of my favourite bands, for a start their catalogue is too small, but I easily prefer them to New Order and they do have some great songs. It's easy to be put off something by over enthusiastic music critics.
I'm not a huge Nirvana fan but they dropped a bomb which had ripples all through the industry. If you look at the history of music you can't not see the dent where they landed. It's the reason they're as hated in some circles as they're lauded in others. I don't see them as just another punk band, Green Day would better fit that moniker, they're more following on from The Pixies and Husker Du. And they still managed to sound like no one else, while just being a three piece. You don't hear a Nirvana song and mistake them for someone else. I tend to like bands because they're doing something different to other bands, and they definitely fit there. I'd swap them out for Pearl Jam, who for me, are another U2 ;-)
I think the death thing is slightly overrated, both of them had made their impact by the time they died (I may be slightly too young to be sure with Curtis), but had they lived it may have diminished their later presence.
For the Beach Boys and Bob Dylan I just think we're out of the time when we could really understand their impact. I probably prefer the stuff Dylan did with The Travelling Wilbury's than his own stuff, but while we can see him as overrated that may just be because we missed that window. I did love the Beach Boys when I was a kid, and you can hear their influence sometimes.
Gene Simmon's collaborated with Doro on a decent album, but she did all the singing, and Unholy is passable, but everything else I have ever heard from them is forgettable. I much prefer Alice Cooper and Ghost! That said, I literally cannot get the appeal of anything else on your list, even though I recognise some have done good songs even if they're not for me.
Good point about being from the wrong era (Beach Boys, Bob Dylan) and I'm not saying the bands are bad as such, just I don't really get why they're soooo big!
@@JimNewstead Well if you take Nirvana for instance, it's because their music deeply spoke to people. It was a blast of authenticity when hair metal had gone in a direction that didn't really represent the lives of the fans, they weren't partying with hot chicks in fast cars, they were living normal lives in dead end jobs, and the music was become something of a parody. I can remember as a metal fan at the time, that it was becoming very difficult to enjoy what those mainstream bands were putting out. Grunge and the bands around it, were a badly needed kick in the balls. I preferred Alice in Chains (that was when I discovered Dirt and it utterly blew me away) but Nirvana helped it all explode. I know they helped get my wife through some very difficult stuff back then, it was music for young people that actually meshed with their lives.
Nine Inch Nails did a brilliant cover of Joy Division's Dead Souls (on the Crow soundtrack), Therapy? a great cover of Isolation, Swans a great cover of Love Will Tear Us Apart (both by Jira and Jarboe). Those bands are what drew me to Joy Division. Their name may not have aged as well as their music.
Jim I have to say you are 100% correct of all of those. I would have left off "The Boss" possibly and the only song sung by Dylan that I really like is Subterranean Homesick Blues and it WAS so innovative, that said he has written some great songs.
Mostly agree, except for Beach Boys and Dylan, and Joy Division to an extent (to me both Brian Wilson and Dylan are geniuses, and it can’t be denied that Joy Division is a highly influential band…)
I would add Foo Fighters (Dave Grohl seems like a great guy and is an excellent drummer, but can’t see the appeal in his band) and Green Day, can’t get my head around how they became so big.
Foo Fighters is getting a lot of attention in the comments!
Foo Fighters are definitely overrated.
Love the list, Jim, agree with everything, especially Ed Sheeran, that was my first thought of overrated artists. It's so strange isn't it how some artists get catapulted into huge success and others fade away or struggle to make it. I remember when Jon Gomm was featured on some breakfast program in the UK doing Passionflower, much more talented than the likes of Sheeran imo, but where is he now. Also HARD AGREE on Bob Dylan. Unlistenable.
Okay, I was all ready for lambasting you over your terrible choices Jim, but quite honestly, I agreed with every one of them.
I even get where you’re coming from with regards to Springsteen. I’ve got most of his albums, but rarely feel compelled to sit down and listen to him for any length of time. He grates and overstays his welcome. And yet, I can listen to an individual track like Jungleland and it’s the best thing ever.
Exactly... individually the tracks are incredible, many tracks played back to back, not so much!
I would at least listen to Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan. If this one tickles your fantasy, then go for the trifecta, bringing it all back home, highway 61 revisited, blonde on blonde. Those four albums are a great place to start. Bob Dylan is up there for me. Would love for you to give him a proper go.
I will try again!
Amazing. Started watching wondering if my feelings gonna get hurt. Agree with you on every single band/artist.
good job here, jim. i totally agree with your picks, especially your thoughts on dylan. i loathe his voice too ~ 😂
Agreed. Dylan might have decent lyrics, but the musicality and singing is just not good.
@@jah9253 yes, and yet he shaped two of the greatest rock groups in the 20th century: the Band, and the Travelling Wilburys. he gets much respect from me for that alone, eh? ~ 👍
Well done. I think this is a solid ensemble of choices. These bands and artists are huge but in my opinion, don't warrant the massive love. Nirvana were giants specifically for Nevermind. Ed Sheerin, Kings of Leon and The Killers. I just don't get it but the masses love them. You'll probably upset the Brucie, Oasis and U2 contingent though. 😂
I think a lot of people tend to not only mix up their own opinions on music on how the rate or bands, but also their own nostalgia, and no two people will ever see eye to eye on how a band made someone feel at a certain point in their life.
Could not agree more on Slipknot. Ever since they first became popular it always sounded like the most generic stuff to me. Ditto on not being able to listen to Springsteen. I don't think any of your list was too controversial. My own list would be so much more controversial, but I know it includes many bands who are important historically and were innovators, but dear god I can't stand some of those bands.
You had me in near-total agreement, but I truly cannot say that Bob, Dillard, or whatever it was, is underrated either. I mean, he's no Joan Baez but his poetry did make ripples and waves. And look at those abs! Those pecs! Those microtones!
Lotta overrated bands. The Queens. Deep Sabbath. Led Steppenwolf. Deaf and Dumb Leopard...
OMG!!! Jim, Thank You SO Much. The more controversial, your choices were, the more I agreed with you. Those are the ones that I get abused for whenever I express my lack of adoration. One thing though...I never understood the allure of Bruce S. UNTIL I saw them live. That is where they shine. It's 3 hours of a band laying it all out there for the audience. One honorable mention that I would have added would have been Prince quite saw the genius that so many other seem to have found in him. Thank you for doing this video.
And, by the way, one reason that you are not impressed with some of these artists...is that you have become a Marillion fan. 🙂 These others just catch match up.
There you go Jim! Finally some "controversial RUclips content"! hahah
It had to be done!
Cover versions of Dylan songs reveal him as an often excellent songwriter incapable of performing his own stuff and using mediocre sidekicks (The Band are also ludicrously overrated). I think Bryan Ferry is a great interpreter of his stuff.
I cant argue with that list. Good job.
I agree. There are so many more, so called, amazing bands out there, that I just can't find any connection with. I would include Tool, Foo fighters and most Pop artists.
I think I need at least one more of these videos!!
A lot depends on your mood. I like early Oasis and agree they are completely derivative, but give me a choice between What's The Story Morning Glory and the over clever Brave by Marillion (despite being a Marillion fan) I would always choose Oasis, despite me hating their media confected rivalry and wanting to be Beatles wannabees. Come to mention, I have never got the Beatles either.
Agree with most of these if not all today, i liked some of U2's early records but it got really boring, Slipnot have i never used energy listening to so can't judge them
Its always a lottery lol and there is a certain 'you must like this to be serious about music' but I often annoy friends/others when openly dishing often considered canonical acts - I don't have to listen to or like them and others will say the same for my chosen top ten : ) What is good is to be able to openly debate/debunk and freely choose as AIM/Jim is doing Vive la trance .....oops I mean difference!!
Everyone has, of course, got differing opinions and thought about what is and isn't iconic, important and pedestal worthy. And much comes down to taste, preference and personal interventions from the music in their lives!
Kiss. Agree.
Oasis had one excellent album, a few good songs on the others, and some awful albums. I like them, but yeah, overrated.
Nirvana, I USED to agree. I HATED Nirvana when they were big before and after Kurt died, but years later I listened and really actually appreciated them. The only thing I'd agree is that grunge would have happened with or without them.
U2 Agree. Hilariously I like the albums most people hate and don't care for the ones they do. But yeah, very overrated.
Beach Boys get it because it's a paralel to the Beatles, cute pop band, did really interesting stuff later, problem is beatles did it so much better. I agree.
Same thoughts on Springsteen, especially anything past the 80s.
I think I somehow have a worse opinion of Sheeran than you. LOL
And agreed with Dylan. I like a few of his songs, but usually like covers better.
Spot on, Me Ol' Mucker ! Put Guns N' Roses on the next list.
Wow, very brave Jim, in agreement apart from U2 and Springstein..
Same here, appart from the amazing songs they both recorded, U2 and Springsteen are two of the best live acts to have ever tour this planet. The net is full of proofs, here are two :
ruclips.net/video/nghqjBwZTiE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/euGFdZ5UUuI/видео.html
Anyway, that's just a matter of taste...
Keep on rockin' in the free world !
Good picks, though I have seen U2 and do enjoy them. You’ve not put Taylor Swift on the list or The Carpenters
When I think of The Beach Boys I always think about their connection with Charles Manson. If you are unfamiliar with the story you should look it up. Chilling.
ACDC, Dave Mathews Band are ones for me. I agree with a lot of your list.
Bob Dylan is a hard one, yes his voice is terrible but he is the most prolific poet/song writer of all time. The amount of material that is directly created by him and performed by others is unreal and the amount of material he influenced cannot be measured. So is he overrated? Yes and no. As a performer, yes, but as an influence and importance to music as a whole he is absolutely not overrated imo. He is an artists' artist, a lot of your list are fans' artist. I put him in a similar box as Johnny Cash. Johnny does not have the greatest voice (I do love it, but objectively he has no range and doesn't vary at all), but his importance is huge and his writing prowess is massive.
Im glad you didn’t include aqua.
Agree with 8 of your choices. Beach Boys deserve their elevated position in the music universe because of the sheer amount of excellent music they have produced; the unique vocals and harmonies they had (which others have since copied) and I would bet that, just like The Beatles, absolutely everybody in the developed world will know at least one Beach Boys song. I do admit that 'Pet Sounds' is overrated and I find it difficult to listen to the whole album but it does contain at least 2 pop masterpieces. Also I would not agree with you on Bob Dylan. Although musically he was very basic and not very challenging it's all about the lyrics with him. He also made folk music acceptable in a pop drenched age - no mean achievement. However, just like the Beach Boys I'd struggle to listen to a whole album straight through! My choice would include Yes, Rush and Tool - none of which you would agree with I'm sure!
I certainly wouldn't put Rush, Yes or Tool in the mix!!
...from Kiss, i only LOVE "the Elder" that album is an island on their music....if you can... check it out, just for fun
Interesting, honest list.
- Joy Division are deservedly considered hugely influential. One of the most important post-punk bands of all time. Does that make me listen to them frequently? No.
- Oasis. Being derivative was their concept. I like Oasis, but I never saw them as saviours of anything.
- U2 did a lot in terms of sound, which you either like or you don't. I am not a huge fan, but I'd say their discography was important up to maybe the early 00s. After that they almost damaged their own legacy.
- Beach Boys: sorry, I'm a fanboy, although they have the most inconsistent discography ever.
- Ed Sheeran: i don't get him. The saviour of bland, maybe?
- which Dylan albums are there in your collection?
I think there's probably everything Dylan recorded up to 1980.
@@JimNewstead okay, Bob's voice is a take it or leave it factor, but it changed a bit from album to album. If you'd like to hear Dylan with a bit more than just acoustic guitar and harmonica try 'Highway 61 Revisited', 'New Morning' or 'Desire'.
Then there's also his "country" album 'Nashville Skyline' on which he actually sings with a very different more tuneful voice.
I was deep in to prog when KISS arrived, and I thought they were a mediocre band with sub standard songs but a great gimmick designed for 13 year old boys to become obsessed with like action figures.
Hi Jim, I have to agree, with most of them. I managed to see Oasis at Maine Road, back in 1996, only because my sister was an obsessive Oasis fan at the time. The concert was great, I liked the support acts better, but I agree, they were overrated. U2, I've seen a few times, I prefer their earlier music, nowadays, they seem a bit pretentious, and I forgot about the Ipod incident, I thought, that was just bloody cheeky of them. I never got Ed Shearon, I find his music bit meh! Good top 10 though!
To be honest, I'm not saying these are bad particularly, but just in many cases I don't get them, and I others I feel they are over elevated in their importance!
The first three could have been right out of my list. After that you got a bit lost. I would not agree, that there would be a lot of people thinking Nirvana would be top 5 band of all time. Nirvana might be a bit overrated if you think that it is considered one of the greatest bands ever. No, it is not. It is considered one of the greatest Seattle grunge bands. And yes, that it is. U2, they have made one album that is so perfect, that not many bands have ever done or will ever manage to do. The fame deserved there. Beach Boys fame = Pet Sounds and deservedly so. At that time the Pet Sounds was hugely elaborate compared to other bands. Not my favorite, but deserves the credits. Then the rest. Again all could be on my list. Bob Dylan would probably be my number one.
Ok, I stand corrected!
@@JimNewstead Where is the Rolling Stones in your list by the way?
@@jarnovilen5259 I had to save a few bands for video number 2!
I agree on all your choices. Beach Boys pet sounds soooo boring. Springsteen muh. Slipnot im not 8 yrs old. Ed Sheeran….. give me a break. It’s garbage. U2 were great… Joshua tree and the unforgettable fire. Kiss was fun when I was 10. Nirvana sooo overated……James Addiction kicked their ass years before. They opened the door to alternative. Etc etc
Nice list Jim! I have another controversial one... Rolling Stones
Its pretty funny that listening to Joy Division feels like dying to me and listening to something like Death gives me energy
You forgot Prince. 😂
Did I? I quite like a lot of what he did. I really liked that he never seemed to stand still and didn't mind experimenting with styles and sounds. However, it wasn't always successful, but I can certainly appreciate him as an artist. And Bowie too.
I couldn't agree more. Very good job!
A few comments from a boring old fart who grew up enjoying Can and Captain Beefheart, and also watching TOTP with the Beatles, Stones, Small Faces, Kinks, the Who, etc.
Kiss: Perhaps it's the same live show time after time after time after time partly because it's the same backing tracks each time.
Joy Division: Well, that's just like, your opinion, Man.
Oasis: Musical magpies with an ear for Coke commercials and Gary Glitter, and a way with trite lyrice.
Nirvana: I'd say Alice in Chains are underrated rather than that Nirvana are overrated.
U2: Quickly became formulaic and unexciting, though Achtung Baby is a guilty pleasure.
Beach Boys: Good Vibrations was astounding! I remember Pet Sounds topping all-time top albums lists, as have (e.g.) Sgt Pepper and Astral Weeks. All very good albums IMHO, but never was any of them the 'greatest ever'.
Slipknot: I also saw them at Download, not having liked what I'd heard previously, but thoroughly, and unexpectedly, enjoyed it immensely. I don't care what they were singing about.
Bruce Springsteen: Well, that's just like, my opinion too, Man.
Ed Sheeran: What little I've heard was completely unexciting.
Bob Dylan: Try listening to Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited, each at least twice. If you can stand them, then perhaps also try The Freewheelin' and Blood On The Tracks. Blonde on Blonde is often cited as his greatest, but it does go on a bit.
Thank you for an enjoyable video! 🙂
These are mostly bands that drove a particular sound that was a breakout at the time. The appeal is mostly based on nostalgia. All great bands, but can definitely be seen as overated.
I agree with most in your list, Jim. Ed Sheeran: a mediocre talent, no better than acts you see trying to be heard in pubs. Yet he is the phenomenally popular author of surely one of the worst couplets in popular music: "I'm in love with the shape of you / We push and pull like a magnet do". That alone should have had him banned from every platform, for its sheer blackboard-fingernail-scraping awfulness. Average voice, average guitar, average talent.
Bob Dylan's voice: fingernails down the blackboard again. I don't get him either. I saw him at a Prince's Trust Concert in Hyde Park, sandwiched between The Who and Clapton, and he was dreadful. Incoherent, incomprehensible whining. No bar to retire to either while he was playing.The travesty is that, unaccountably, he got a Nobel Prize for his lyrics, which of course should have gone to Joni Mitchell, the finest lyricist of her generation (which includes Dylan of course). But she's not a bloke, I guess.
Oasis: Like (not love) some of their songs, but, as you say, copyists. Nothing new or original in there. Perhaps without Liam's whining I might have liked their sound better, but I'd heard it all before.
Kiss: don't get them either. A parody band of a parody band. One for spotty, hairy-palmed male teenagers who have yet to discover music and girls, I feel.
Joy Division: no joy. At all. Dreary. Forgettable.
Beach Boys: memories of sunshine and summers which went on forever. Not my memories though: I'm English. Somebody must have them, I guess. For a band rooted in endless summers, they leave me cold.
Slipknot: grown men in masks? Nah. I go to gigs for music, not prosthetics. I can't name a song either. Next.
Nirvana: I only know SLTS. Fantastic song. Blew everybody away. I reserve judgement.
Springsteen: Not really a fan, and like you I cannot take a whole album. I've listened to a lot. "Racing In The Streets" is my fave, as it's atypical and beautifully written, and Springsteen really does show off his great voice there. Some of his other songs I like. And I got tired of "Dancing in the Dark" playing incessantly on every pub jukebox. You couldn't escape it. Ever.
And finally: U2. Nah. Vastly overrated. The Edge is not a great guitarist. With his digital delay, a one-trick pony, ripped off from real innovators like Gilmour. The same guitar-by-numbers on every damned song. Bono always sounds like he's trying too hard to be **important** with **worthy** things to say, begging people to take him seriously. He does, of course, always sound the same, like The Edge. A very limited vocalist, if you ask me: perhaps as limited as Two-Note Morrissey (he should be on your list!)
Just my *opinions* Jim! All the best!
I'd say The Velvet Underground. They might be one the first alternative bands but the music is mostly really bad. Plus they're a magnet for annoying hipster types.
Now I REALLY want a Jim listens to Iowa by Slipknot!! Haha. I will forever love that album from my angsty teenage years, I think the songs do hold up although lyrically it's very immature lol. And also I agree on Bob Dylan and James Hetfield ruins Metallica for me too, just can't stand the vocals, don't know why, but I can't help it!!
Funny video Jim, lots of people will have feelings I'm sure. You know, if Billy Sherwood did one of those tribute albums with other people singing all the songs of a Bob Dillon record, you'd probably like it. His voice was marginal when he was young and its only gone downhill since. The only thing I agree with you about U2 is that they just got too big. My opinion, I think they are terrific, albums, lyrics, live, musicianship etc. but for a while there they, as good as they were, went way over the top and were just way over exposed.
U2 were great up to a point.... then just became too big, too ubiquitous.
Agree with you 100%, Jim. I would also add Elvis to the list and a more controversial one: Joni Mitchell.
Haha, yes. Elvis. Hmmm, never really got him, but put it down to another era!
Regarding U2, both War and Unforgettable Fire are more interesting albums than Joshua Tree. The Americana that really started seeping in then just killed them for me. Since Rattle and Hum they've been unbearable and Bono's become a real wanker.
I have about 5000 albums in my collection mostly rock, metal and pop. I don't have any music by Kiss, Nirvana, Beach Boys, Bruce Springsteen, Ed Sheeran or Bob Dylan simply because I've never liked them. Agree that Dylan is unlistenable! I do own some Joy Division, Oasis and U2 albums but rarely if ever listen to them. Occasionally listen to Slipknot if I'm in the mood for noise without any musicality.
You have not chosen wisely my friend. 5000 and still missing many important ones.
I agree with you, Jim, on all but two on your list: U2 and Bob Dylan. I think Dylan is great; however, I can't listen to him sing multiple tracks. A little goes a long way, with Bob, IMO.
U2 is another story. The band has a ton of hits for many years and even won the Grammy for Song of the Year for two consecutive years, with both songs coming from the same album. From "New Years Day" to "Beautiful Day," from "Bloody Sunday" to "One," U2 has had a more consistent, long-term career than you realize. But, to each their own. ❤✌
I can't disagree with any of your choices Jim
The Slipknot comments were hilarious...but I couldn't find anything to disagree with you on about them. They're talented musicians, but aside from 1 or 2 songs, I just can't "gel" with them. The songs are just not very memorable, and they lack much variety in sound or approach.
I was fully prepared to disagree on this list but to my surprise I actually 100% agree with everything you say❤
Nice!
Yup, can't really disagree with any of those choices.
I always thought Kiss were overrated pantomime rock opera. Never understood the appeal.
I was 14 in '92 so I listenned to a lot of Nirvana, but I never liked Nevermind. It was everything Kurt never wanted to be, popular and accepted and considering what they have become if there is an afterlife he probably is regretting not killing himself sooner.
Slipknot, yeah I saw them at Reading and all these fans kneeing in the mud waiting for Corey to tell them to jump up had me shaking my head. Like Nirvana they rode the wave the media made for them.
Can't agree more about Dylan. He should of been a poet.
Ed Sheeran, well I mean there's a whole of bunch of pop artists that could easily join him in the overrated camp and I'll never understand the appeal.
Agree on Kiss, I don't know Joy Division, Agree on Oasis, Disagree somewhat on Nirvana. They are overhyped, but not overrated. There is a slight difference there. Disagree on U2. They didn't become inconsistent until their old age which happens to all old bands. Agree on Beach Boys. Although Pet Sounds is not overrated. Absolute perfect album. The rest of their catalog is mostly just fun, fun, fun til her daddy takes the T-Bird away. Slipknot - Can't comment, the style is not for me. I like Bruce, would love to go to a 3 hr concert, have most of his albums, but I do feel he is a bit overrated. Ed Sheeren - can't comment. I know the name, but not the music. Dylan - His songs are classic. They make great cover songs. I don't like his voice either. So I haven't listen to albums. I did warm up to his voice on the Traveling Wilbury albums. So maybe I could learn to like him, just not on my list of things to do.
Agree mainly on all these. Particularly B Dylan… 😆 Thank you for uttering it.