What is the post-finasteride syndrome?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Episode 18. In this episode, Dr. Vikram Jayaprakash and Dr. Russell Knudsen discuss the concept of post-finasteride syndrome. What happens if you get side effects from finasteride? Are there long-lasting side effects? In this video, we unpack what has come to be quite a controversial topic.
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The problem with most studies is it doesn't show how side effects could be caused by other markers or environmental effects. I've been taking finasteride for 10 years, and about a year back I started feeling really depressed. My doc said he thinks I should stop the medication, and I asked before that, could I have a full panel of bloodwork done just to see if something else is causing it. Turns out I had extremely low levels of vitamin D. I started supplementing and getting outside more and now I feel great. Correlation does not always equal causation.
Thank you , my finasteride has been collecting dust because I’ve been terrified but this definitely helps a lot.
@@chideraagugo517 me too lol.
@@chideraagugo517 did you take it now?
do you really take it for 10 years and no side effect?
How fast does your hair grow
This is what happened to me. I was taking 1mg per day as that is what I was told to take. First 3 months I didn’t notice a single side effect. I thought this is great. I’ll get a hair transplant carry on taking this. Anyway, month 4 I had a complete breakdown. Now just to be clear on this, I have never been depressed in my life. Never suffered from anxiety either. Month 4 on 1mg per day. I started noticing I would get disturbed sleep every night. Thought nothing of it. Within the space of 2 weeks I completely broke down. Felt depressed as hell. Had to take myself out of work and just starting to feel a bit better now a week off the tablet. There is no question it is the tablet because I was on nothing else and I’m absolutely gutted that it is the tablet as I don’t want anymore hair falling out. After finding this video tho I will take your advice. I will leave it for a month then try lower dosage and hopefully without side effects. Thanks
Edit: just an update to this and I feel very embarrassed saying this but I did in fact get a hair transplant and went back to 1mg per day and I have had absolutely no side effects at all. I don’t know why I initially had them but I’ve been on finesterade for probably 18 months now and I’ve had zero effects. Yeah so there you go, sorry if I put people off and I questioned whether I should put this but you have to be honest. Cheers
I took a lower dose and guess where it got me. Read all my comments on this page.
Have u fully recovered from finasteride ?
@@Gnarles13 yeah I feel completely myself now. I never went back to the tablet
@@Gnarles13 I never recovered.
@@Concojone5 what's your condition now
Idk how i landed on this video, but is hair really worth it in middle age men.. i mean some side effects are suicidal thoughts, increased anxiety and depression? males have a high suicide count.. Not to mention the potential brain fog.. that is enough for me to just go bald and embrace it if that day ever comes.
1yr taking finasteride, I started experiencing inability to climax & ejaculation problems, stopped it & weeks later I was fine.
Have u recovered?
It's ironic how a pro-finasteride video became a collection of hundreds of testimonies of how finasteride ruined their life, and links to studies. Respect to The Hair Loss Show for not taking down this page and letting real people talk about their experience.
I wish this show was available 10 years ago. Thank you Gentleman!!!!!!
Thanks
I also
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@@sapphirehairtransplants your link doesnt work. Can you share again?
5AR is important for brain health (mood, sleep, motivation etc). Finasteride lowers 5AR by minimum 70% on 1mg per day. Over time it causes problems. PFS could only occur if there’s been a permanent negative change somewhere in this system either 5AR is no longer produced or other mechanisms have in effect permanently “deregulated” from lack of action.
Exactly. 5ar makes allopregnanolone and this hormone overcomes depression, anxiety, and lethargy. Hair loss medicine eliminates the hormone
@@how5555 yep 5AR inhibitors effeminates us sexually ,mentally and physically.
@@how5555 so the body will not produce it any further? Even if you stop taking the drug
@@brokenbutterfly3178 If you stop the medication, the hormones will be produced again. Don't worry
@@how5555 how long will that take? I've been on finasteride for 2 years until recently I noticed sides so I stopped immediately. Its been a week and so far, nothing has changed. I'm having ed and very low libido. Its strange how I never got any sides all throughout those 2 years, not even at the start but now all of sudden, I feel broken.
Started on Finestride, then dutasteride. Had progressively worsening effects...however not very long later I had discovered I had low T from a few other, completely unrelated medical problems and am now on TRT for life.
I think dutasteride seven days a week is complete overkill as my DHT is permanently crushed to almost zero, but even with no DHT my side effects are much less on TRT than before. To a large extent, if you have sufficient overall T levels you can survive with severely depressed DHT levels for a long time.
People with ‘post finestride syndrome’ are most likely with an advancing low testosterone problem that don’t have enough T any longer to cover for the missing DHT...
Also, DHT levels when you have low T seem to pegged more as a ratio of estrogen than testosterone...people who ate higher than average estrogen converters, with low T and a high ratio of DHT to T seem to people vulnerable to baldness anyway...
If you are thinking about starting on a DHT blocker, get a full hormone panel done first!
What hormones did you analyze? Never got an hormone panel done before, and after two years of Finasteride I'm experiencing side effects.
Should I get a hormone panel done at the request of my general care doctor?
You need a full testosterone panel, including DHT and estrogen. If you get a liver function test done as well, then an endo can calculate your free androgen index based on SHBG and albumin levels. My free androgen index was absolutely appalling. Even worse than my free T...it was basically 50% of the minimum level at which you can be treated in the U.K.
There are some people who take estrogen as a hairloss measure as it apparently reduces 5AR activity somehow and thus lowers DHT.
Since going on TRT I’ve cut my Dutasteride usage from every day to twice weekly and added in topical fin 0.25 and increased minoxidil from 5% topical to 15%...
So far hair seems to have got thicker, not thinner...
@I. Ron Butterfly This is literally MPMD (More Plates More Dates) hypothesis when it comes to PFS.
What's trt?
It sounds like most people don't need as much as often the label recommends. I blame the pharma companies. People may be unknowingly blasting themselves with way too much. Too much of anything can be hazardous.
Does finasteride cause sleep disorders? I have taken it only for 9 days, with a slight weakening of erections and a significant decrease in libido. However, the strangest symptom is waking up too early. It is not a matter of anxiety: when I am nervous, I usually have a hard time falling asleep. During these days, instead, I have fallen asleep very quickly, but I have always woken up early and become unable to fall asleep afterwards. This has never occured to me in my life, regardless of the level of stress. I discontinued the drug 3 days ago, with an improvement of the sexual symptoms (which had never been severe anyway), but the sleep disorders persist.
Yes
Your hormones have become unbalanced...see a HRT specialist
@@rudrum Hey Rafal, I have the same problem. My sleep ends at 3 hours and I have to take a very strong sleeping aid every day to maintain sleep. Without sleep I'd already have killed myself. It's a nightmare become real. Insomnia is the worst of all PFS symptoms, I guess.
Did it improve already after you wrote this post? If you are seeking advice regarding sleeping aid, write me. You are not alone in this. Take care, man!
I just took my first dose last night - hair isn't too bad yet, but was curious to see how I responded. Last night, soon after the first dose I felt intense light-headedness and some brain fog coupled with an intense difficulty to get to sleep. I eventually did manage - woke up feeling slightly better. I have noticed that my erections have also somewhat weakened alongside my libido. This is super noticeable for me - as my libido is usually really high and it's easy for me to get an erection. I also noticed today that my seaman is super watery. Do you reckon I should continue with the drug?
@@chrisdoesmusic it will manifest very soon. You won't sleep well and your libido will go downhill. Issues with memory and lightheaded will stay for the whole duration of intake.
Videos like this are what pushes me over the edge into taking finasteride. I now have post finasteride syndrome at the age of 21 consisting of severe genital anesthesia and much reduced orgasm quality. I'm going to lose years of my life before this is cured and I can finally out this behind me. Please don't take the risk like I did and buy into what these doctors are saying. The truth is that Merck knew about persistent side effects but strives to hide it. Look into the unsealed documents and never touch this poison. How sad that the medical community has failed it's patients in this manner.
When did you stop taking it ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Genital anesthesia. You guys are too funny
any improvement bro ....I really feel bad
you are recovering?
@@ycyean8235 he died bro 😔 He took 1 pill and his balls exploded 😢
@@matkorkes1304 appreciate the sarcasm dude ...just asking about people's well being even if it's a nocebo or other effect which just crossed the path of fin
I was taking finasteride for a year. I noticed side effects after a couple months of consuming it, ED. Then I stopped using finasteride, but not getting any better. I realized that I vape back then, which is it could cause the same side effects, ED. Then I stop vaping as well. Now everything is normal again (4 months). You guys are right, thank you for giving me hope back then.
Do you think it was the vaping or just getting all the finasteride out of your system?
@@trevorthiessen6317 I've been getting all the finasteride out of my system for 6 months but still not working. So I think it was the vaping, but finastride plus vaping at the same time makes it even worse. At least for my case
@@ps4pc549 can you elaborate on what is "still not working" for you?
@@trevorthiessen6317 curing my ED in this case
are you on finasteride now ?
Only been taking finasteride for like 2 months and I’ve been scaling off of it. My doctor said it was reversible, so I’m gonna get off it ASAP. Side effects horrible, I’m a completely different person
What are the side effects ?
I had an effect after 2 days of taking 0.25mg for 2 days to see if it would agree with me. I was 18 had a high T, got a script from a pharmacist.
After 2 days my dick did not work for a week and took another near 10 days to recover, I'm 32 and my hair is the same as before, allways had a strange hairline even as a kid.
I would see a endocrinologist maybe TRT would help alot
Could be something else.
Full bloods and check for hornoan levels and just everything full blooodwork.
Maybe take some supplements multivitamins and viatmins, eat betterz sleep longer get some excerzise.
Try to avoid anti depressants as they could make you feel even more strange.
Working out could help.
In my mind finesteride and dut is just poison that works for some but it it's that toxic to a fetus god knows what else it must do.
I was really lucky I only took a wel half dose over the course of 2 days crazy lucky I did not take dut.
These guys sound like pros but it is how they make a living and less treatment = less money.
A new and safer hair growth drug is being tailed the company does not have the best reputation but anything is possible.
I'm on ablowndose of testosterone gel due to the pain meds in given lowering my T level. Has not effected my sex drive but just felt tired and not right.
On the gel feel great but don'tess around with blackmarket workout T.
Hope you feel better.
How do you make a hormone?.....
....
Don't pay her !
@@luked2767 Bro did you recover?
The side effects is you can't get hard for 2 weeks at 18 or so that was frightening, I'm 33 now and my hair hasent realy lost any, but I took in total half a pill over 2 days, this is not stuff to be messed around with, I'm currently waiting for testosterone gel as I have realy bad neve damage in my abdomen and the pai killers lower my test, I order USP cialis from China and take a micro dose every week or a half dose when I want some fun.
Please don't take this stuff unless you have full blood work done beforehand to see your hormaon levels, and make sure they don't just want to make mo ey.
A usable dick and no hair or hair a dick you can't use then you loose the hair..
So many guys have perninabtpy lost the ability to get hard from this stuff and it's so toxic I would just avoid it and use other topical rogaine that's generic
@@luked2767 You can tell this is bs cause 2 days of 0.25 mg would do absolutely nothing 🤣🤣🤣 it’s all in your head buddy lol
I hope you keep this video up when this is fully proven. It's only a matter of time at this point.
Their livelihoods are based on this protocol of patients taking finasteride to stabilise their loss, then doing the hair transplant.
Surely after 30 years it will get proven.... any day now
@@dw4525that doesn't even make sense. If it was purely for money they wouldn't even recommend finasteride so that people would have to get more transplants
I spoke to a professor of urology last week. He said this condition is becoming more known in the medical community.
@@dw4525 it's not I promise
So glad I found your channel! I just started finasteride on Friday. Wish me luck!
Good luck!
Me too, 3 times a week?
Good luck with your Russian Roulette
@@TheMusciman doc said 1mg/day but I will likely take 1mg every other day
@@daviddoff5797 every medicine carries risk. My migraine medication does too but that doesn't mean I'm going to have chronic migraines the rest of my life because of an irrational fear of side-effects that occur in a small % of users. By your logic, majority of pharmaceuticals should be avoided since most carry potentially serious side-effects.
It is real. Blocking 70 percent of dht will affect you in negative ways.
Yes and it does more things than just blocking Dht,and dermatologist don't even know,but then if you get affected they left you on your own....its criminal.
@@Dani-xy6uctrue
Im sufferer from Post Finasteride Syndrome. Suffered for 11 years now. I strongly recommend not taking it. It has the potential to more or less destroy your life.
Have you had you hormones checked? Started any other medication?
How long did you take it? I done only 3 pills and three weeks later I still have sides
Damn how long did you take it for? And how soon began the side effects?
Er du dansker?
@@macetini I took it for a week and half all side effects 12 months ahead. Ruined my life
I have a feeling the numbers are wrong when it comes to side effects from Finasteride. They say only 2-3% of people get sides from Fin, that BS. How is it that myself, and a good friend of mine both suffered similar side effects when taking Fin? My sides came a bit later, and his sides earlier. That to me doesn't sound very rare.
6 months in and I got hit with ED. Im a fellow aussie like these cunts, so I listened to them and now I ain't get a working johnson.
@@sweeps42how old are you? I have same issues
Of course, these guys literally have blood on their hands, promoting this awful drug. It is way way more than 2-3%. Those studies are fraudulent
@@user-zt2qy7nt1mI heard side effects are 18%
@@tired_of_everything0 Hey, sorry for late response. I'm in my mid thirties. Fin works really well, and I'm still taking it. However, these common sides that are said to be 2-3% must not be right.
I developed erectile dysfunction after taking about a week and a few days. After that it got progressively worse per day. I had to stop by the time I got to two weeks and a half. It destroyed my sex function and my penis would not get erect at all. I got so scared! I’m still scared if I’ll stay like this for life. It’s already been around 8 months and I’m not better. I feel worse at times with severe depression and constant brain fog and memory loss. But what’s worse is that I can’t get an erection like I normally would. It’s not mental either. I was happy and waiting to get results and have beautiful hair. And I had a lot going on for me. This destroyed me. I have friends that it did the same.
So what’s the treatment to fix this??? Haven’t found it and endocrinologist just say it’s in my head. How I would it be in my head when I NEVER think that I have brain fog, muscle mass loss, erectile dysfunction, and some puffy nipples. My capacity to control my body must be insane for it to be just in my head…
Please report your case to your country's medicines regulator.
@@egbertsmith2435 how do you do that? This is probably why it’s not well known enough. Not many know how to report it but also I know as a man we keep to ourselves and we do not want to report it due to being a hassle or worse getting chastised and looked upon baldly by others.
@@Nerdy_AomebaWhich country are you in?
@@egbertsmith2435 I’m in the US
Try shilajit and ashwagandha that is a natural herb that may help you
i have pfs for 19 years choose wisely
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i meant to say be careful what you choose to do, some side effects are horrific@@fuadismayilzada1816
Took Finasteride for a couple of weeks. 0.5mg to try to reduce side effects. It stopped the hair loss, but it made me extremely depressed and impotent. Wasn't worth it for me. Gonna have to figure out another treatment. I find your skepticism of the side effects at the beginning of the video a bit odd, considering your reasoning for the skepticism is because people were treated with 5mg years ago and were fine. It wasn't discovered until 1992, so it makes sense that they wouldn't discover longterm side effects until recent years.
How tf you become impotent after only taking it for 2 weeks and at that low of a dose? This seems kinda sus
@@Ethereal11177 what do you mean after only two weeks? Medication side effects are often immediate. What a bizarrely irrational response to someone sharing a lucid and factual experience
I got Minoxidil and Finasteride. Started using the Minoxidil only as I had read about the side effects of Finasteride. Started it and never had any side effects thankfully.
how is minox ? Did you use fin ?
@@IsoXable I have no problem with any of them. Minoxidil has been great and impressive hair growth. Finasteride, no side effects at all.
@@vodkaburner3371 Thank your for your response. I am debating myself wether i should use Fin or not. But I think I don’t want to take the risk. I will start Minox soon. Hope it won’t make it worse...
@@IsoXable minoxidil allein reicht nicht
@@vodkaburner3371 Update on fin 2 years later?
I have zero libido/sexual desire and 0 random erections after only two weeks. Quit today. I'm glad I found out early. I hope I can go back to normal.
Please stay off it. Don’t be fooled by people saying your body will adjust to it. I made that mistake
@@dw4525 Believe me, I won't. I'm still young but i'd have the hairline of a medieval monk if it meant i don't have symptoms forever.
How u feeling today bro?
@@sweeps42 I can at least have erections and intercourse now but my libido is still really low and my manhood area still feels different, kinda disconnected.
how are you now
It is irrelevant to compare the rate of erectile dysfunction between people having taken finasteride and the general population.
Because PFS is not only erectile dysfunction, it is a full set of troubles going from sexual to cognitive and physical, consequences of the hormonal unbalance induced by finasteride.
I understand there is here an advice consisting in practicing stop and go (1 month / 5 month). It's a dangerous advice. Once the unbalance is there, most of the time it's too late. The body can't recover and there is currently no treatment.
How is it dangerous advice?
Why should anyone keep taking finasteride if they know that the drug is causing problems for them? Also, how long is too long when it comes to taking finasteride?
@@brokenbutterfly3178 He is right. And to answer your question, people keep using it because they want to desperately keep their hair, so it's a tradeoff. How long is too long: there is no rule, everyone is different. Some can't even recover from a single pill.
So the main issue isn’t ED right? Because there are lots of treatment options for that. What’s the main side effect that doesn’t go away?
@@Joe-dz2fl they don’t know cause it’s not real 🤣 Any bad feeling they feel they will blame on finasteride for the rest of their lives 🤣 “my wife left me? Must’ve been that poison finasteride!!!” 🤣
@@matkorkes1304 Another dog out of nowhere. If fin is so amazing keep taking it. One day your time will come
People who haven't experienced PFS themselves will be mostly in denial (telling it's only in people's heads, nocebo etc.) until it's too late unfortunately. This cycle will continue for years to come.
Did you experience it?
@@sinanengin5756 I do, my sex drive is gone. It's only physical stimulation which keeps me working, mental one is not possible anymore. Some connection in my brain has shut down. Thinking about sex has no physical reaction.
There is no reason to assume I had any preconditions or environmental effects because my shut down took place overnight and I was always in good shape before taking 0,5mg for 7 months. People just tend to look for excuses so they can take the drug and tell themselves it cannot happen and everyone who tells otherwise is delusional.
But once it happens there is no return to normal and you will regret that day when you decided to take it for the rest of your life and damn yourself for calling it fearmongering. You wish yourself badly back to the point when the decision was still to be made.
If it is on you yet, don't take it. Not even a small dosage. Don't look for excuses and talk yourself into the "I'll be fine" mindset - you don't know. Balding is not that bad. It's not even a point of thought for me anymore after realizing what I've lost.
@@MrCaradras Update bro
@@SS-hj4sf I'm doing ok so far thanks. Sexual symptoms are ok. Can't wait to get back to the gym and work out, it helps. But I get really depressed over how little there is I can do.. On some days I would rather die than keep on struggling so hard just for little improvements.
@@MrCaradras bro you can try water fasting It really works
And I want to say keep yourself or try yourself as happy as possible because in happiness every other suffering becomes less or disappears
Search sadhguru on RUclips try giving yourself to yoga and spirituality you can also come to India learn spirituality it will definitely going to work brother
You should really update this video as it now comes across like you are not just downplaying the potential adverse effects but are deliberately mischaracterising them along with their history of reporting. Saying they essentially appeared from nowhere 10 years ago in a ‘strange round-about way’ is simply not true. There have been many animal studies, going back to, at least, the early 2000’s showing permanent genital alterations. Court documents were released in 2019 showing the safety profile from the manufacturer to be extremely misleading when it came to logging adverse events. It has since been confirmed the persistent adverse symptoms are likely due to gene deregulation (epigenetics), therefore claims of a nocebo effect are really just a tactic to discredit and downplay reports of legitimate harm.
But that doesn’t change the fact that all the studies on pfs so far are poor quality I personally do believe in pfs but I actually believe it’s even rarer than portrayed online i think a lot of the cases are either psychosomatic or down to other health issues
@@RH-eb6tm Without wanting this to appear like a personal attack, you say you ‘believe in PFS’ yet follow up with the previously mentioned dismissive claims. Denial of PFS/persistent symptoms typically unfolds as follows: First it’s claimed it’s all make-believe or ‘psychosomatic’. When informed about evidence of biological abnormalities it’s said sufferers must have another underlying illness or have abnormal results due to ‘lifestyle factors’. So now it’s not imaginary? Interesting. This is elaborated with further claims that biopsy results may indeed be indicative of disease, just unrelated to Fin use. At this point some vehement naysayers may claim of these men - and these are young men - must have, coincidentally, had these problems prior to using Fin but somehow they, collectively, only became aware them during or after Fin use, leading them to falsely believe Fin is responsible. Or, they were aware of them prior to Fin use but want a legal payout or something to blame their pre-existing symptoms on because they are dishonest. When it’s pointed out the biological abnormalities match those abnormalities found in previously healthy animals given 5ARI, responses are either thin on the ground, or it’s claimed that drug trials and FDA safety reports speak for themselves. Typically, there is no direct response to the fact Merck’s redacted court papers prove they lied about the drug’s safety record because there is no way to justify that course of action. It’s all just a big coincidence, right?
If you’ve read the few focused PFS studies (those specifically investigating PFS patients and experimental PFS animal models) then have you reviewed the associated research references? How are you personally defining PFS? It’s simply lasting and varying symptoms after 5ARI use, and not necessarily limited to ‘sexual dysfunction’ or ‘depression’ that was later added to the warning leaflet. Not all evidence of harm is listed or searchable under ‘PFS’ and direct research on PFS men is still relatively new. So if you haven’t done so already, consider widening your investigations to include general and specific studies on 5ARI human and animal subjects with a focus on adverse outcomes, also androgen and androgen receptor-related diseases. Look at a wide range of neurosteroid and neuropsychiatric papers. Consider reviewing other post-drug syndrome research, you’ll note epigenetics is a common theme, so review genetic/epigenetic literature too. Don’t look in one place for answers.
@@etonmess6247 your making it sound like I said it doesn’t exist which I didn’t the main point I’m trying to make is that the constant fear mongering online isn’t helping anyone and there is a lot of people that have convinced themselves that they have it when in reality they don’t people underestimate the power of the brain when it comes to these things and I think people should consider the fact that it could be ‘in their heads’ if you like because a lot of people seem to overthink possibly down to other mental health issues such as ocd for example it’s very easy for a person with ocd to convince themselves that they have the condition don’t get me wrong there are promising studies but there still isn’t solid proof there may well be proof in a few years time but at this moment the evidence is nowhere near strong enough
@@RH-eb6tm I think it’s safe to say that no one can fully determine who is or isn’t experiencing their symptoms due to the drug, other physical factors, or perhaps purely psychological factors by simply reading a person’s limited online posts. Although, I disagree that there isn’t already solid proof that 5ARI are potentially harmful to some users. I think what you might mean is the current evidence (those focused PFS studies) isn’t quite strong enough to conclude a direct causation with Fin in some men who report persistent symptoms. There is, however, strong evidence that these men have enduring abnormalities and there is strong evidence that 5ARI have caused similar enduring tissue changes in rodents.
@@etonmess6247 Yh I would agree with that what I don’t really take issue with people giving warnings about the drug because some people will have a genuine bad reaction to it very rare but it does happen unfortunately but I what I do take issue with is people trying to scare people who are already taking the drug by saying that they will eventually get it and tbh I reckon quite a few people will have gotten scared and given themselves a nocebo effect from that it’s really hard to determine whether the issues these people are having are down to fin or other health issues but a lot of the pfs people will not consider other possibilities and this is what is keeping them unwell as they are thoroughly convinced that fin has cause they’re problems and no one can tell them otherwise they usually respond in an aggressive manner which makes it hard for people to help them
I read a comment from someone that could help you : Best treatment plan is a combo of low dose HCG (250-500IU) every other day, Progesterone cream 10-50mg once nightly, an aromatase inhibitor (if needed), and HDAC Inhibitors (butyrates, NAC, lithium, etc.) daily. This would need to be done for a number of months.
The HCG will stimulate neurosteroid synthesis in the brain (verified in multiple TBI studies), Progesterone will further make more Allopregnanolone, and HDAC inhibitors help reverse some of the methylation (verified in cancer research) that occurred on both the enzymes and the receptors.
If you're someone who got really screwed up by 5ARIS, you may need to run additional "cycles" of DHT based compounds to downregulate and restore signaling to the Androgen Receptors after you reboot the neurosteroids using the above.
That’s a great point no one ever complained about post proscar syndrome
Exactly, this wasn’t even a thing until 2011, 30 years after it came out, and as soon as people realized they could sue Merck all of a sudden everyone had “Post finasteride syndrome.”
Proscar was used on older men, who probably already had a ton of sexual dysfunction. It's not the same at all
Sid B is right. And I know a guy who got it from proscar use. His body is falling apart. It's real.
@@respectfulyoungmen2141you want people to tell proudly that they have a dead penis? Have you ever thought that just maybe people were afraid to speak up all these years?
@@tired_of_everything0 you're a chronic masterbaiter and an indian incel. your brain is just naturally defected, nothing to do with fin.
I started with 1mg/day for 3 days within these days, I felt normal, but had no libido, so I didnt try test if had sides, on the 3rd day I tried, and I noticed sides, after frantically researching I assumed it was all in my head, blamed it on my anxiety etc, went off it for 3 days, sides went away. and tried it again today, sides are back again...
I think I'm just going to let nature take its place
I took it for 3 days (and stopped) and the sides went away. Then I took it again for several months (at a lower dose where the sides weren't obvious at first) and the sides never went away. What I'd give to be in your shoes and to be able to make another decision!
Concojone5 I don’t understand how your sides hunt gone away, people say that PFS doesn’t exist
I'm not sure I understood your question. PFS is when the symptoms haven't gone away half a year after stopping
@@Concojone5 How are things now for you, has anything improved?
@@noahlaferriere5515 No improvement in the last 2 years. The symptoms that did improve a bit, did so in the first week or so, although a few people have reported improvements for up to several months after quitting (there's a big community out there). Most of the damage is hard-wired. PFS is considered a lifelong condition with no known cure, very similar to what SSRI and acne meds victims have to deal with. More details in my main comment on this page.
Have you guys ever spoken about how delayed onset symptoms work for dutasteride? Dutasteride has a much longer half like compared to finasteride, 6-8 hours for the latter and about a month for the former, so a 120 times difference. If it takes 3 months to begin experiencing recovery for fin would you have to wait 120 times as long for dutasteride (30 years!)?
I would stick to fin, if you turn out to be ultra sensative to it like I was 15 years ago then if it was dut I think it would have not ended well.
I am having severe insomnia after only 4 days taking that drug.I don't even know if i am going to recover.Don't take the risk! Better be bald and healthy!
Oh shit. This is far the worst side effect.
I haven't slept a night through the last 8 years without the help of very strong
sedating meds.
But in your case it should vansish after some weeks (maximum, I guess it should not last longer than 2 weeks).
Don't start a taking sleeping aid, please. Your body will get used to it fast and you'll be in worse condition then.
I took it more than a decade. I don't believe I'll ever sleep normally again in this life.
@@Jioti_Parcharides Did your sleep get lost because of finasteride?
@@trixter1483 Yes. Finasteride inhibits the conversion to allopregnalone. Without this you cannot sleep. It's a confirmed side effect of Fin. There is nothing I could do against it.. Even progesterone creme didn't help.
@@Jioti_Parcharides I understand, I myself have been in this trap for 3 years, and my dream is completely destroyed. It can be said that a person would not live long without sleep, but this condition is very debilitating.Every damn time when I'm very tired and want to fall asleep, I just can't turn off, I can lie down for a very long time and nothing happens, maybe only half a nap
@@trixter1483same. O don't know why I took this poison!
So basicaly there is no underlying variable that we yet know of, with witch we can predict that a person will develop PFS caused by finasteride usage (because of potential existence of that variable in a given person). And the statistics are showing that the incidence of PFS like symptoms in the "normal" lets say "age equated" group of people is higher than in the population of finasteride users. Witch goes on to say that there is absolutely no statisticaly sound evidence that anyone will ever develop PFS symptoms *because of finasteride usage... But since we use our intellect we can also use it and say that there *might be something that we dont yet know of that could be predictive of developing PFS so its good to acknowledge that and label PFS as having side effect symptoms 6 months after usage, so we could then see what happens there. But the numbers are now showing that its highly unlikely that PFS happens because of finasteride. And also your experience of never having any clients with the "PFS" is encouraging.
Anyways, its just my interpretation of the information you are sharing. Thank you for doing this, it is very informative, makes me able to make good decisions about my incipient androgenetic alopecia.
josip vran
Exactly. That’s what I tell people who push the post finastaride syndrome theory. I say that if the studies done on the drug were incorrect, we would see a higher sample size of patients who have these side effects with doctors. But no matter where you go, if you ask hair doctors what percentage of their patients get side effects while on the drug, they’ll say it’s in line with the sample size of subjects who had possible side effects in the studies, and in many cases, much less. And the drug doesn’t block all DHT, only 60-70%. So there is still enough DHT for the few important functions. There are populations that, for genetic reasons, don’t make high amounts of DHT and they’re just fine and healthy as well. So it really does seem like it’s mainly a sexual maturation hormone and is used in small amounts for a few other things and once we are adults, we only need small amounts of it. Testosterone seems to be the most important.
This poison completely changed my life. Because of all these big pharma guys I trusted on the medication. Now I have no choice left but to die
What happened to you man?
Which side effects do you face
@@gustavobastos769 nothing happened to him. hes a terminally online chronic masterbaiter with a history of mental illnesses, depression and ssris now blaming one of the most prescribed pills on earth for his worthless existence.
You both explain things clearly and succinctly.
I think you're both the go to place for this subject.
Thank you sirs 👍👊
appreciate it.
Took Finasteride for 8 months, developed severe insomnia while taking it - tried to taper off slowly and felt better initially. But then once I fully stopped about a week later I had the dreaded crash and since then my life has changed dramatically for the worse. I have severe insomnia and cognitive side effects - can't work anymore because of it and basically lost all desire and fun in any social interaction due to my constant exhaustion.
I don't say everyone who takes Finasteride develops PFS - most people don't but for the one's who do it has life altering consequences. That is why more research needs to be conducted to establish who can take Finasteride safely and how PFS patients can be treated. That is just what everyone needs to acknowledge - there few dramatically few studies out there and more COI-free research has to be conducted. For example, what the hair loss surgeons in this video claim is the reason that same people have lasting side effects (about Finasteride building up in the body) has just no scientific backup - it is an explanation they have created out of thin air. So please be aware of all that before you start take Finasteride.
(Btw, it seems like most people are focusing on sexual sides - yes they exist but for example I don't suffer from them. Nevertheless PFS has destroyed my life for the last six months and I didn't notice that my restlessness and insomnia stem from Finasteride and not from stress at work until it was too late)
This is exactly my story. I am sorry for you as I am sorry for myself. This never ending total insomnia is the worst torture possible. And it doesn't go away. I checked my morning cortisole level once, it was way too high.
Without the help of an opiate (Tramadol),which sedates me and allows me to sleep at night, I would have gone mad. But the price for sleep is addiction but I know how to taper it slowly down to Zero. I have no choice. But I don't recommend it to anyone taking Tramadol for sleep, although it's very reliable in terms of maintaining sleep. But the next morning you will always feel like death.
I took everything in order to get sleep.
I don't recommend the following meds for PFS insomnia either.
Mirtazapine
Trazodone
Zopiclone
Benzodiazepines
Seroquel
Tavor Zolpidem
Doxepine
Melatonine
All these meds lose their effect after a few days and I feel very bad under them. PFS insomnia came to stay, so you need to battle the root cause (allopregnalone missing, obviously). Go to an endocrinologist asap. Good luck.
Thanks for sharing your story. Have you checked all ur hormones levels?
If ur testosterone level is low and ur dht is crashed alone with the other hormones you will have similar side effects that you mentioned.
Thanks for your replies - my hormone levels are all over the place and currently there is no known treatment or cure for PFS! More research needs to be conducted
same
My friend who recently committed suicide due to severe symptoms of PFS told me that these doctors convinced him that finasteride was safe.
These clowns peddling this poison crap drug need to know this. I hope you or his family can get in contact with these ignorant doctors so they know. It was a doctor exactly like the ones in this video who convinced me this drug was perfectly safe which destroyed my health and turned my life upside down. I’m sorry about your friend.
Same here. A friend who has PFS tried to kill himself. Fortunately his wife found him in time and they were able to get him to ER.
Now same thing is happening to me. I can't do anything man. Death is the only escape
@@DaneMarshall56377how are you now
I've been on 1mg finasteride for about 10 years. I'm 34 years old. My hairline had receded a little bit and I wanted to ensure that I had a full head of hair going forward for cosmetic reasons. The men in my family don't get particularly bald, I'd say they have about the average hair-loss that you see in males. I'm just super into longevity in general. I had a testosterone blood test done last year and it came out as being out-of-range on the high side. 35.8 nmol/L (current reference range is 10.0-32.0). Converted to ng/dL that's 1031.7. So in terms of total testosterone I'm sitting pretty, especially for a 34 year old.
Anyways, my erections have been weaker the last few years and thus I have been using viagra to make sex better (which works very well). I can still perform without it to a degree, but it's definitely not perfect and I have to make sure I get constant stimulation. As far as my libido goes, it's okay but every so often I go through spells of it being low. I should note that I'm pretty sexually active and have had many partners over the years which I believe has made me psychologically desiring sex less than someone who never gets any, lol.
I came across some of these videos and I decided to stop taking finasteride to see if I'll feel any different. It's been literally 3 days and this morning I woke up with an erection. I haven't had morning wood in quite some time! It could just be a coincidence. I'll report back here over the weeks and months and see how I go.
A week in and I had another solid erection this morning. I swear I haven't had these in quite a long time. I'm going to stay off the finasteride for 1-3 months and continue to see what happens. The real test will be when I go back onto finasteride and if these side effects return or not as I'll definitely be restarting so as to keep my hair.
Really appreciate the long winded comment. I’ve been on the topical finasteride for the last three weeks and I’m normally very mentally healthy, but I’ve been fatigued, low energy, and borderline depressed the last two weeks. I am going to stop taking it for the next week or so to experiment as well. Keep us posted on your experience.
Took finasteride 1 mg per day for about 9 months, the morning erection disappeared for 4-5 months.
Before taking finasteride, DHT was 740-800, аfter taking finasteride, about 300.
@@VictoRs107 Hello Denis, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. You're saying your morning erections disappeared for the last 4-5 months of the total 9 months you were on finasteride?
@@RoughChopTom Yes, that's right, in 4-5 months, the morning erection disappeared. But I continued to take finasteride.
This is causing liver disease. Increased Prolactine, and Estrogen due to suppression of DHT. 2% andractim and Mesterolone half tablet per day for 2 months with monitoring HDL could resolve the issue...
I took finasteride for years and once I stopped, my side effects persisted(ED and tripled amount of body hair). I have no idea how soon the side effects occurred as I was taking an antidepressant simultaneously that had originally given me ED(Viagra worked wonders for years and then stopped being effective at some point). At this point, I have been off finasteride for YEARS and still have debilitating ED, as well as the hideous body hair. So where do I go from here? They’re talking about guys whose side effects come and go, and mine have remained stubbornly stagnant. This video just confused me more than anything else.
Get a full hormonal blood test panel including: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, Oestradiol and SHBG at bare minimum*. This will tell you if any of these hormones are out of whack, which could easily cause ED. Ideally, get progesterone tested too, as that could contribute to neurosteroidal issues also.
Finally, if all of these come back in the normal range, I highly suggest investigating whether TRT is suitable for you as that may help with the ED situation (in my opinion, as it would increase Total T, Free T and Oestradiol likely). I'm afraid I don't have any insight to provide for the body hair situation, DHT is literally what grows body hair so it's difficult to understand.
I second Toby and add: body hair is cool. That’s something you can easily change your mind about-and TRT might help with the ED if you’re a candidate.
The best thing I can recommend though is to start a meditation and self-inquiry practice. It will help you realize that the conditions of your life/health can never lead to lasting happiness, but there is a deeper, more stable inner peace that is available to you at all times
Oh yeah it's not the depression or the antidepressants... It's definitely the finasteride bro
@@tc59932 I took finasteride for two weeks and regain my erection back but ever since after quitting that awful drug my sex drive is so low my morning woods doesn't come up as it usually was would you consider in me taking TRT? i wanna get the blood work done before doing such a thing
@@MutilManny123 I would get your bloodwork done yes, you may find it's not finasteride's effects post-use, but actually other hormones such as testosterone, oestradiol or progesterone. Blood test DHT if all of those are completely normal and see if that's too low.
Guys I took this pill on Wednesday after hearing these guys speak and then again on Friday its now Saturday night and I cannot sleep whatsoever. My body has a very weird feeling and I have ED and I hope and pray to God that my symptoms will go away as suggested by these two doctors
Omar S
Most people who see side effects don’t get them that fast. I am suspicious of your claim.
@@BlahBlahPoop617 I have read some stories of people in and around the same age as me (late 20s) and it can happen with a few pills. What happened to me I now know was an anxiety attack which over the past week I now know how to better handle but also now these past two days I also have insomnia whereby I haven't slept for the past two days and sleep was never an issue with myself. Like I said I'm very much hoping that like Dr Knudsen has said the side effects do subside and eventually leave I have had instances where I feel I am getting better mainly with the ED where my erections are gradually getting stronger and lasting longer and have been told there's been instances of users taking similar amounts of the drug to myself recovering from anywhere between a week to 3 months...
Calm down you don’t have ED 🙄 if someone told you that a pill had potential to give you limp dick, that’s all you’d think about. Erections are 90% mental.
You should stop, chill and wait a week or 2
if you are worried, take a shot of testosterone, that will reset your hormones, if you still have issues look at my recovery program at www.5arinhibitorhelp.com/
Blood on your hands
I rearly encourage my fellow comarates. Don't read other comments. Because their lifestyle and context is different. Focus only yours. Don't compare with other people. Talk to your doctor and concerns instead. Don't google it thats leads to anxiety.
I listened to this video and decided to take finasteride. Took 4 doses and got side effects like ED so I stopped. That was 8 weeks ago. My side effects have worsened since then. Zero libido, ed, gyno, sleeplessness, anxiety, frequent urination. Please don't be fooled into thinking PFS is not real. I thought that way and now I'm certain I have it and its ruining my life. Its not.worth it,even if it only affects a minority.
Bullshit, Nocebo effect
My testicles have shrunk by about 33 percent. That is not a nocebo. That is a nightmare. I have no reason to make this up except to serve as a warning. PFS is real. It happens to a minority of people but its still very real.
also what do you mean 4 doses? you had 3mg in 1 week and then 1mg in another week?
@@primordialking5444 Yes. And that was all it took. I began to get minor ED and after stopping the symptoms got much worse. 3 months later and no improvement.
@@venom_lowrider How are u now ? I hope you are healthy....
Guys, you should know you are playing a hair or death lottery. Vast majority will get hair, according to statistics, but if you are unlucky, as it happened to me and many others, you might end up with your life ruined. Permanently. Sex sides are the less important. In my case, insomnia and depression are the big deal. Actual reasons are still to be determined, but 3 major options are on the table on why when you have your 5AR Enzyme recovered after quitting finasteride form 3 months your body never functions the same again.
I wish I would have never approached this poison. My advice, don't take the risk. Accept baldness, use topic or get a transplant.
Is topic finasteride fine?
@@oalbornoz In principle action of topic finasteride is local so the risk of causing a big mess in your hormones is lower. However, i've heard of a few cases where topic also lead to severe symptoms. Check on Propeciahelp webpage for these cases.
Can you make a Episode about topical Finasteride? There are soooo many channels on RUclips discussing Differenz ingredients and pointing on different Studies for the right solution and dosage
Did you try topical Finasteride?
@@johndupont8596 im using it for 5 months
@@Taptapfail thanks! Any results? I started topical finasteride 0.5% 3 months ago now
@@johndupont8596 Where do you buy it?
I started it and already seeing results but from all experiences I've heard from people it goes systemic after a while like the oral version and that usually leads to side effects long term.
You make a good point about 5mg and 50 year old men not complaining about PFS (Post Finasteride Syndrome) but don't 50+ year old men with prostate issues (so bad to the point they need to take 5mg of Finasteride) have ED anyway? And they probably need to take that medication for the rest of their lives, or at least until prostate surgery which causes ED as well, so how would you ever know if a 50 year old taking 5mg would suffer from PFS? Curious even aside from PFS, do 50 year old men taking 5mg for prostate mention ED much?
Ya but finasteride syndrome effects men under the age of 45 as stated in the studies so saying that 50 year old men were not affected is obvious 🙄
@@aarondodson1261 Curious where in the studies is specifically indicates it only effects men under 45.
@@napnap609 I believe he stated that in the video but I saw random studies online
i m facing ed and no desire ...i discontimue fin 4 month ago but still no improvment in my problem ..
To all guys watching this, I say,
D is important not hair.
Please dont go for medicines.
took it for 5 years with no problem. stay bald
@@matkorkes1304 what took 5 years btw? The whole process of balding? Is it so?
@@andrewvideos5328 he's saying he's been taking the medication for five years.
@@akalion213 but most don't take it for 5 years.
He will understand this at a point of time.
@@andrewvideos5328 You're just making shit up
Great content as always! Could you guys briefly cover your impressions/current state of research on other touted treatments (saw palmetto, etc.)?
Saw Palmetto is a waste of money. You'll go bald before you know it.
You guys are great!!! I'm taking finasteride for a large prostate at low doses and have had major anxiety about it. I'm 6 weeks in and no side effects (yet) but plan to do 6 months on and 3 months off and back at a lower does.
👍
How is this working out for you?
I got a good flow back very quickly, and now I've reduced the Finn even more.. I'll stick with it for a few more months, then take the rest of the year off. Then see how quickly symptoms come back.. less is more if you know what I mean. 🤞
@@zionnofate thanks for that info... I'm trying to decide if I should move forward with this or look at other options
What? Anxiety why?
HELP!
I started taking finasteride about 11 days ago. I followed Dr Russell's advice and consumed one 1mg tablet every second day. Now after 11 days I got side affect Erectile dysfunction, only taken 6 pills so far and I've stopped taking them.
Im panicking, please advise me what to do?
Be alright mate I had the same absolutely killed my balls . Ok now though 👍
Stop taking it immediately. To keep your hair, your head needs to be suffused with blood twice a day to regrow hair capillaries and stop further hair loss. Lie on your back on your bed and let your head dangle off. Your head with fill with blood, feeding hair follicles. IT WORKS.
Have you improved....my condition is same?
@@abhisheksingh-qx2hc yes once I stopped. It toke a week for symptoms to improve.
For a week I didn't sleep at night. Was really bad.
If you see any side effects please stop immediately.
Exactly your panicking and just shows you just gave yourself a Nocebo effect....mind is a powerful thing.
I actually experienced extreme anxiety with this medication
@Einsatzgruppen B because docters don't experience these side effects they don't take these drugs
It's common
Same here. How long did it take for you to get better?
@zacw812 not sure I did I take Lexapro now and anxiety is gone
I only was on Finasteride for 2 months, and here I am over a year later, and I still feel like it partially affected my memory. I used to be great at remembering things, and now I struggle remembering things I just looked at.
@Justin Susini I switched to Rogaine foam and Lipogaine (both of which I highly recommend) but I think a little bit of my sex drive is gone now. However, I'm grateful I got off the drug when I did. I can't believe how insane the side effects of that drug were. It was like living in a dream 24/7
Took it for 3 days, 3weeks later still suffering from insomnia and low libido.
I feel you bro. You're not alone. Thanks for speaking up, more of us need to speak up. Imagine your family, kids, friends will still be taking this drug years from now if men remain too embarassed to speak up.
@@macetini Give it 3 months. I'm a fellow victim and over the past few years I've had to become quite knowledgeable on the topic. My best piece of advice for anyone with mental side effects: you'll only know your situation after 3 months, and meanwhile you need to give your brain a chance to recover and not make things worse. So for 3 months, do not allow yourself to read or even think about this, distract yourself e.g. nature, going into work rather than homeoffice. Learn to meditate. Pick up physical exercise. It's important to give your brain a chance to recover by not thinking about this. It will affect your future trajectory. Trust me on this. After 3 months (April 15), assess. But not beforehand. Until then, resolve that even if things don't improve, you're going to live a kickass life. If I can do it, so can you.
@@Concojone5 Tnx man, it gives me hope. I feel like I'm losing my mind. I can't believe that just 3 pills can do something like this. It has been 5 weeks and I still can't sleep more than a few hours per night.
There has been obscene amounts or reports of finasteride and dutasteride causing Peyronies disease.
This doesn't make sense
The question is whether lowering a very potent sexual hormone by 2/3 does not have a significant impact on the organism in every case. If you on the other hand asked people whether they would sacrifice hair for increasing a libido-enhancing hormone by factor 3, I assume the majority would answer with yes.
Im pretty sure they wouldn't sacrifice hair for that hormone. Why ? Hair is like a huge factor in appearance, which is the first thing that the females notice. If you make no impressions leading to dating and or sexual experiences you won't need the libido increasing hormone!
If she rejects on very first sight even if that is subconscious, have fun with your libido alone. Good luck filling holes outside your home, but hey you can fill all the holes in your house with your own divine protein shake lmao.
You're right, I wish I had accepted this before trying finasteride. But I was too keen on saving my hair... My life could have turned out very different had I not taken the risk.
DHT is no what makes your libido high, thats regular T
@@Concojone5 bro what happened to you
4 days into fin and I stopped being able to orgasm and my libido dropped off a cliff. Took it for 6 days.... this was in September 2019 and its April 2021 and my sex drive has still decreased further and my orgasm has yet to comeback. Take it at your own discretion gentleman. My woman literally has to get toys for herself as I have no libido to satisfy her. We are miserable
How is going now?
Can't speak for anyone but myself, but 9 months on finasteride 1 mg per day with zero side effects. I asked my doctor before starting and he said he never had a patient complain about a side effect from finasteride.
Is your doctor a dermatologist, by any chance? Hair loss doctors have every reason to dismiss the side effects that people experience. So why would people bother to tell them about the side effects if they'll just be told it's all in their heads? The people with side effects eventually seek out other doctors. Talk to a urologist or a psychiatrist, and you'll probably get a different story.
@@MC-pc2hf My primary doctor is an internal medicine doctor. I assume he prescribes finasteride for both hair loss and prostate issues.
Can any of you gentleman who are both doctors explain why would some people have these side effects and others not? Besides sensitivity what is being suppressed in those peoples chemistry that is causing this situation?
Thank you.
There are many potential side effects for every single medication, see the information leaflet inside for a really long list. Everyone just reacts differently to medicine, we don't know why.
@@baz1184 yea everyone is a little diff that’s why prob several diff groups everyone falls in
There are a lot of possibilities, according to depressions and other mental problems. We often forget, that 5ar2 is not only there to convert T to DHT, it is also there to metabolise Progesterone.
If you lack of 5ar 1 or 2, or too low Progesterone levels, it will crush down the Allopregnanolone and Cortisol levels in your system.
These neurosteroids are mandatory for mental health.
@@janackermann4623 so what would you say is the best course of action while taking propecia
@@Man-u-flex .
What i dont understand is how some people don't recover from sexual side effects caused by propecia. In some countries, chemical castration is used on rapers, and even that isnt permanent (6 to 12 months recovery time)
I think bcs it alters your brain. People lose mind to penis connection.
@@derbre122 Physical changes happen as well thats because sudden drop in male hormones(dht).
@Hooaah It is well known that it can cause permanent erectile dysfuntion. Many people do avoid the drug because they are scared but many try it out because they are very insecure so they take anything to stop baldness even if its risky or they think its extremely safe so they take it. And many people who use it report no side effects but some people have serious side effects who are permanent. Its not just erectile dysfunction there are many different side effects. Sexual and mental. I dont have erectile dysfunction but i got other sides. The worst one is not feeling my penis well.
@Hooaah i dont know if its permanent. I only took 2 small dosages and never touched the drug again. I still did not recovered after 2-3 months
@@aristoteles3843how are you now?
A lot of people saying they have ED side effects after taking it in these comments.. so it has to be higher then 1%
In the studies they use specific and healthy individuals so we can't 100% generalize it
Definitely is higher than 1%. Who said 1%, Merck?
No not necessarily. Millions of people take this drug. 1% of a million is still 10,000 people. People that attribute side effects to this drug are likely to be lingering around message boards claiming that this drug gave them ED. Random people on the internet are not the ones you want to take medical advice from
Keep in mind that people who have a negative experience are more likely to comment. That's why most drug ratings on review sites are horrible. People _generally_ give reviews about meds if they have negative reactions or overwhelmingly positive reactions.
@@MrCholoPants3415 exactly !!!! People nowadays need to question everything what they see or hear.
I have to say, I am deeply saddened by the fact that I am not able to take finasteride because of the horror stories I have seen on RUclips. As reassuring your videos are, those other videos have really spooked me...
ikr it sad
I will repeat a what I said in another comment regards “all those people” you see giving horror stories.
There are also people on hair loss forums with vested interests. They suck in gullible people into their forums to make money off ad revenue of lawyers looking for lawsuits of gullible victims with imaginary conditions like post finasteride syndrome that are all in their head, and from snake oil hair loss companies who put ads on their and sell products that don’t work.
There is an entire online industry centered about these snake oils salesmen. They flood finasteride RUclips videos to crate the imagine that many people have the imaginary post finasteride syndrome to sway them from using the drug and signing up for membership their forums and buying their useless products (which also often have side effects).
Mathematically, it’s impossible for that many people to have such side effects because 1) the well researched studies with good sample sizes and years of follow ups don’t show it and 2) the patients of hair loss doctors experiencing side effects are not higher than in the studies. If the studies were wrong, the patients would be experiencing it and finasteride would not be used by millions of people around the world, making it one of the most popular drugs. If something as severe as ED was or deep depression was experienced in a large percentage of people taking the drug, it would NOT be used consistently by millions of people around the world for years and decades. Many people will put up with minor side effects, but they would NOT put up with severe side effects like ED or imaginary post finasteride syndrome or very deep depression. Most people would drop the drug if they were the case.
But it’s not the case.
I am suspicious when I see comments like tours. It makes me think you are likely a troll from a hair loss forum like the many RUclips troll accounts used to push that industry. Those people are the real snake oil salesmen, not the hair loss doctors. The hair loss doctors actually improve people’s lives with scientifically backed therapies that WORK and have very few to no side effects for most people.
Finasteride doesn’t block all the DHT in your body so you still have enough for the neural steroids as well. So most people won’t experience significant depression. Only a very small percentage of people who are already predisposed to depression will.
Stephen Hyland hi, thank you for your comments, I appreciate where you’re coming from. And I think your right, that is why I’m scared to take it as I am predisposed to depression and have a very pessimistic attitude and can’t help thinking that I will be the one who gets worse depression if I take finisteride! And yes the negative spin vested interest has spouted has worked on me and spoiled my chances of keeping my hair. I still can’t decide, my wife is all for it though... I actually bought it online and then cancelled my order and bought minoxidil, which buy the way I’m having imaginary side effects. Thanks again
Same. I really want to take it, but I am way too anxious to take the plunge
@@kristoffernaslund9455 I took 0.5 mg of finasteride in total and have very serious side effects. I am on day 3 all i can hope is that it goes away and i recover. I read online it stays permanent for some people. Look up the site called propeciahelp and read the forums on how bad peoples life become mentally and sexually. I wish i didnt take it because i realize now that having a healthy functioning body is way more important than having hair. People who had no permanent serious side effects with it do recommend it bcs its good for stopping hair loss.
I have developed symptoms after 3 weeks. Is quitting cold turkey advised or should I taper off the medication?
take tamoxifen, it will reverse the effect but may also reverse the result of your hair growth, maybe take tamoxifen in conjunction with finesteride
to lessen the symptoms
To be more specific I’m a male experiencing sexual side effects. It’s been about a week since I stopped taking finasteride and my condition hasn’t improved. Should I be worried?
@@coltensteinbrecher1552 Do you take whey protein?
I used to but not in the last month or so
@@coltensteinbrecher1552 okay, take 1 scoop of whey protein everyday to gain back some libido, as well as do high intensity interval training. Preferably take the whey protein after exercise
The thing is, you are saying it yourself. "We gave Propecia 5mg/day to old 50 year old men, nobody complained back then".
Exactly. Give a 50 year old with already low DHT levels a drug that will reduce DHT, he wont notice. Give a 25 yeard old with HIGH DHT levels a drug that will reduce DHT and it will probably change his life to the worse. But he can keep his hair.
nope, no difference
Sure, post finasteride syndrome may be uncommon but the consequences are life-changing. We're not talking about mild sexual dysfunction that goes away when you stop taking the drug. People's lives are being destroyed and suicide rates are high. Tell the truth. How can you live with yourselves otherwise.
It's not even uncommon. 20% of men have very obvious side effects from the drug, says the head of Urology at my hospital. I can tell you from first hand experience that it's really hard to discover the side effects sometimes, and that's why I'm convinced that the other 80% of people are getting damaged too, they're just not aware of it yet because it shows up in unexpected places (heart, brain, skin, joints, fat, muscle, liver, ...)
“It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it."
@@Concojone5 20 percent??? Show me your proof please 🤣
Given Finasteride halts or reverses the balding process through the inhibition of 5a reductase (isoenzymes 2 & 3) which is responsible for masculinisation during puberty and reproductive/muscular/cognitive efficiency in adulthood, is it fair to say that it is a mild form of chemical castration? It seems to me that the potential risks of side effects of lasting feminisation far outweigh the benefit of keeping your hair.
How did you jump from one point, too linking finasteride to a mild form of chemical castration? The drug blocks the breakdown of the hormone by blocking the enzyme, the hormone doesn’t disappear, it’ll just be broken down through other means in the body?
Chemical castration is a method of removing a mans ability to impregnate a woman, the comparison is surely you would agree, a very harsh one? A man losing his hair could be something as easy as accepting it and shaving it all of one night, or for some men a complete disaster, which rightfully or wrongly completely controls their life
@@traceurGeorge I think 'castration' in this case is loosely used. It's besides the point. It's about the potential side-effects of finasteride. You're right though, it's a bigger deal for some than others.
@@traceurGeorgefinastride or very similar drug is used in chemical castration. Finastride is also used in transgendering a men to a woman.
I used finasteride (Proscar) for 20 years with excellent results (today I'm 43 y.o., still NW2) but a month ago it stopped working and I was shedding like crazy. I'm now taking Avodart daily, shedding stopped and hair is looking much thicker and healthier.
Flavio Sousa
There isn’t any significant difference in the two in terms of effectiveness. The new drug you are on just suppressed a bit more DHT and also T. You probably were more sensitive to the androgens than most men are and that’s why. One can also add RU onto their hair while taking finasteride if they don’t want to nuke their T levels with a drug like Avodart.
@@BlahBlahPoop617 lol....finasteride boosts up testosterone for 15% and avodart even mkre
avodart daily is too strong for me. My balls are always aching. It says it stays in the bloodstream for two weeks so i think once a week is enough..
@@rexmonsselespejo7477 why does the balls ache? Is it dangerous in the long run?
@@rexmonsselespejo7477 both balls or just one of em?
Why does it appear that most pfs stories here on yt are from people with a full head of hair ?
I hear about permanent side effects, like impotence, sterile or severe depression. Is that possible? Permanent side effects...?
Yes, it's possible. Look up Post-Finasteride Syndrome.
Have been off the drug for 6 months and my dick is numb, insônia and anxiety. Being impotent is enough to make a man end his life but finasteride side effects are way worse. From erectile problems to suicidal ideation! There are dozens of side effects. Used topical for 2 weeks. Viagra stopped working
@@IgrwOw Holy shit, man. What about endocrinologist exams or something like that? Have you been monitoring your body?
@@douglas5097 yes. Testo at the sky, everything is normal. Finasteride does something to the neurologic receptors that are all over your body. There are researches ongoing investigating epigenetics issues on this venom. Some people are affected while others are not.
@@IgrwOw Thanks for the reply, man. I wish you all the best in your recovery!
They don't understand the real problem.
It's not a classic érectile dysfonction. It's worse.
What's the problem?
@@sahadhura8927 permanent érectile dysfonction, syndrome hard flaccid caused by finasteride.
Haha they made a drug that strips a man from his only life drive and purpose to reproduce and have children
The best thing i have ever seen on internet. Thank you doctors it's very helpful and sightful.
I am sure that there are lots of better things on the internet, but I appreciate your comment!
The Hair Loss Show you would think so :)
These doctors are clown and murderers
These doctors are providing the best, science-backed information regarding finasteride. I considered using Finasteride two years ago, but I stopped after reading all the horror stories (Reddit is particularly full of those). The internet makes it seem that the side effects of fin are the rule, not the exception, which defies all logic and evidence from randomized trials. I think the reason for that is, it's only the people who have had bad experience who take to reporting the effects online, while the much larger majority that have responded well to the drug just go on with their real lives enjoying better hair and don't report back about their positive experience online as much as the other group. Anecdotally, negativity surrounding any issue is always found in higher proportion than the positive side, because people just have a tendency to vent out their unhappiness more. So there's the aspect of this selection bias to consider.
There's also the very important point these doctors have made about the prevalence of sexual health problems WITHOUT finasteride, but to a person on fin, it's always going to be more convenient to attribute the problem to the drug, especially if persists after cutting it off.
I wish I'd never encountered these stories so I would've started fin sooner. I'm planning on starting it now but I hope the nocebo effect doesn't kick in and leads me to developing these sides because of all the nonsense that I've read online.
But watching episodes of these good doctors has been extremely reassuring, especially the lower dose frequency they recommend.
I watched them and Kevin Mann. I got PFS now I SWEAR. Didn’t know what it was until I got it
@@thebest-lo7mt how long did you take it for? Do you still got it?
A good Wig is the way and last for a long time If you take good care of it! With a specialist you can make a wig specific for your scalp with more or less hair based on how dry/grass your skin his, so everything can breathe during the day
You live in that states? U got a hair system barber?
Hello. I would like to know if you do any blood test before proscribing Finasteride. Like determining the hormone levels to see if you're more likely to experience side effects. Love the show. Thank you
Check out our video answering that exact question.
The Hair Loss Show or just answer the Q?
@@TheHairLossShow Which video? Why not just answer here?
@@TheHairLossShow
Im sorry for taking your time, im feeling extremelly tired now that i stopped taking finasteride. I used for years. Should i start taking it again?
Have you seen permanent side effects in your practice>?
I am 24, last time I had an urge for masturbation was around january 11th, 2019... My life is ruined and will prob never be same. Just the matter of time I will quit..
Marcel S you good man?
@@MARCELpurger May I suggest you seek out the help of an endocrinologist as well as a mental health counselor? Fin may have given you the initial ED, but it's continuous presence may be a result of the trauma of that experience causing psychological issues + the possible exacerbation via hormonal offsets.
Ty for advices... I had everything. Libido is everything.... No money can buy it.. I would sacrafise everything for it. Even being horny on book or wood just to have that feeling of being a man..
@@MARCELpurger Check my story at www.5arinhibitorhelp.com/
Just found this channel as I'm considering FUE and have started doing some research. Looking through the video list, this one grabbed my attention.
I've been on Fin for I'd say about 15years. Prior to this I tried saw palmetto, but had undesired side effects, then tried topical minoxidil but after a while i started getting rashes. So I was recommended finasteride. 1mg a day. Hasn't reversed hair loss, just held onto what I have. No one ever told me that it builds up in your system, or that a lower dose would be ok. No ED, but as a 50+ yr old, I put an increasing reduction in libido down to reduction in testosterone. I'm very interested to learn more about PFS after seeing the video. I'm probably one of the lucky ones if I didn't get any clear side effects within months of starting.
It's hard to recognize the side effects. If you'd like to learn more about PFS, see the website of the postfinasteride foundation, and the propeciahelp forums. Don't be put off by the panicky posts, just look for the facts.
did saw palmetto work? in keeping hair?
that´s the issue in taking finasteride for life, there is just no way of knowing if the low libido overtime is due to age or if it´s the finasteride
Please talk about the risk of developing type 2 diabetes mellitus that is associated with long-term use of finasteride! People need to know about this.
Did you get that?
@@zzzap5425 Maybe...but I dont know the real cause. I am prediabetic and I use for long term finasteride, before discovery that condition.
Thanks for the response. Hope you doing well.
Do you have reason to believe you aren't prediabetic because of your diet or lack of exercise? Do you have a family history of type 2 diabetes maybe?
@@Retotion My lifestyle has always been exemplary, I'm thin but athletic, I've always hiked, I live close to nature, and yes my father is diabetic, however something needs to trigger it, and I strongly believe that 1mg daily oral finasteride for almost 20 years has contributed to this.
Guys, I just took 6 pills in oct 2020 and had panic attack so I quit taking pills. But still after 4 months having anxiety/panic attacks every day. If anyone experiencing same? Does it go away? Please help me. Please note I do not have any sexual side effects.
Yes it's one of the most common side effects and no, it doesn't always go away. You'll just have to stay calm and manage it well. Good luck.
How do I report my suicide due to finasteride for the statistics, can someone help me please
Hang in there bro we’re all in this together
Hang in there bro, we're all in the same boat. And there are a lot of us (see propeciahelp forums).
Still here, I have hard flaccid, not pfs, but I got it from fin, still gonna kms though
I have just fallen into this second group. I did not notice symptoms right away but I may not have been conscious of them. About 8-9 months after staring I developed the most severe sexual side affects. I was taking 4-5 a week. I have not cut to 1to 1.5 a week and still experiencing. Going to get completely off now for the next couple months
How are you feeling Brian?
U sure it is not low testosterone level cause maybe your age or maybe low Vit D levels . Get it checked to make sure
Welcome to the club. It's hard to notice these things sometimes especially if you're single and not having sex all the time.
Hey Bryan . How it is going ? Hope you are well now . Please update. Would be very helpful. Thanks 😀
Bryan, Have the side effects stopped? I am considering taking finasteride it so I'd really like to hear how you are feeling.
Personally, I cannot stand Knudsen.
Got side effects from finasteride after 2 weeks and had to get off of it and 2 weeks after that sides fully subsided. I don’t doubt pfs is real and I feel for those going through it
Here's another victim of PFS. I am 27 years old Korean and have been suffering for 3 years.
char zenon How do you suffer? What are the problems? What is the ongoing permanent issue?
@@ErsanYolcu Impotence, numbness of penis, no pleasure during orgasm, loss of libido.Among them, the most difficult thing for me is sexual desire and orgasm.
char zenon How long were you on the drug for before quitting
Same here buddy
Are you on swolesource forum
Hello Doc(s) great informative videos. What is your gents thoughts on new hair growth technology such as Exosomes injection? Have you gents tried this in your practice? Thank you.
do you want to clarify more interaction between DHT and beard growth or DHT blocker and beard growth? does finasteride affect your beard growth? Thankyou!
Yes it does, i have been taking Fin for 4 months no side effects but my beard growth seems to be stopped since then (my velus hair in small spots won't become thicker) so i used Minoxidil and my velus hairs are almost turning into terminal hair. At the end i have to say not everyone would get bad effect from finasteride for their beard , but scientifically it does because DHT has a big role for developing body and face hair
@@HaMaNezam but finasteride does not get rid of all dht, it only lowers it by 60-70%
@@TheRon3600 ik but like i said it depends on individual for some people that reduction is not a problem for their beard growth while for some others is enough to make your beard thinner
Maybe I didn’t hear right but it sounds like they didn’t give any credence to permanent androgenic neutering? Even if they have no experience with such a case they could have at least given some hypotheticals as to how / why that may occur even after several months without finasteride
came here hoping to learn that as well...
Is it possible that post-finasteride syndrome is confused with the long time the drug remains on the skin? It is said that a simple dose of 1mg can remain on the skin for at least 30 days, so daily intake would lead to an over-accumulation in the body. In addition, it takes 3-6 months for the body to rid itself of the drug.
It takes 30 days for the body to rid of the drug in its cells. That’s why 3x a week is more than enough for basically anyone who decides to take finasteride. “Remain on the skin” finasteride doesn’t remain on the skin it remains in our blood for about 30 days or just a bit more. Which is also why you can and should take a month or two off every 5-6 months fin to cleanse your body of the drug so it doesn’t build up over a long period of time which is a large reason why (SOME) people who take fin for so many years have long affects because the minority of people who do get affects didn’t take a break, these doctors explained it pretty well how you could take 1-2 months off fin and not lose any ground that you made from recovering or regrowing hair. I’m about to order finasteride and I’m starting off with the standard dose of 1mg fin 3x a week. I’m not going to take it every day seeing as 3 mg is more than enough or perhaps even too much. And if that’s the case I’ll just lower the dose to 0.5 mg 3 times a week.
@@natechenry update sir ?
Taking 1mg fin./day for 23 yrs. No side effects yet.
J. C. That’s wild. What age did u start at?
and how is your hair right now?
so you been using it since 1997 didnt it come out in 1998
@@MrGenoboss 1992, was FDA approved for hair loss in 1998 as it was an accidental finding
@@MrGenoboss A lot of people had already begun using it for it's off-label ability to stop hairloss by 1998 iirc, similar to how people use ru58841 for hair treatment.
Ive been taking it for about 2 years and just got symptoms. Libidi is at 0, depresion and anxiety. Gonna stop cold turkey
Been on it for maybe 2 weeks and I'm experiencing ED.…
I rather go bald than messing with hormonal activity that takes place in the body because to be honest nobody really understand all this add up and what prolong effects are there. I’m more worried of what’s in the head rather than what’s on it.
That's actually not true, we do understand biology somewhat. If you look up DHT you will find that it is not the same as testosterone.
Smartest comment in the thread. It is very true. Especially the last sentence. I wish I hadn't taken finasteride 4 years ago :(
Sir can this medicine affect central pathway of brain ??
hi did you ever got a response to your question? Not sure if you had this symptom and it has cleared?
Always remember that you are two doctors with a limited sample size of patients. I love your work, but I would be much more careful in saying to everyone "yes, just go on finaresteride". There's an enormous number of people on the internet claiming long-term side effects that have never gone away after many many years. I don't know the exact percentage, but still, you certainly don't want to fall in that group of people and if so many people complain about the exact same problem, maybe there's a scientific reason behind that cannot be neglected. After all, it's a relatively new therapy, yet to be scientifically proven: why side effects appear, why in certain people more and in certain less, and so on. What we certainly know is that DHT in the growing stage of a man's life is utterly important for genitals development, and this kind of provides a warning in a "hypothesis-based / empirically-based world". You really have to understand the risk vs. reward in taking finasteride of any kind, even a very small dosage. I want to make another small point, without offending anyone (I hope). Can we actually trust doctors working in clinics for hair transplants? I just warn everyone that the information coming from anyone involved (money-wise) in the hair industry might not be accurate or might be deceiving. This is because hair transplants are strongly based on advertising good results, and you certainly will not have good results without being on finasteride after a hair transplant at a given age. Think about the worsening of the balding after surgery (in other areas of the scalp), and think about the consequences of taking vs. non-taking finasteride in such a scenario. The clinics would obtain much worse results overall, and fewer and fewer patients would undergo surgery until a very very late stage of their life (when the situation kind of stabilizes at a certain degree). I would like it if you could address this topic in one of your videos, if possible of course.. Thanks.
I will never go and see or use Knudsen!
What do you think about zinc being used in conjunction with finasteride to reduce lowered libido?
Did you get an answer elsewhere?
Using the drug for 2 years now, and I don't have any single side effect. Is it normal? One thing that I only noticed is my enlarged breast, which I think came with my recent weight gain possibly. Other than that, my libido is the same as a 17 y/o teen. Also have not loose any hair for years. I am really thinking to take finasteride for the long term but seeing so many complaints and so less research done makes me think.
Don't take it. These bichass people are lying. I did the same mistake
any update bro?
@@dennybrockmann9005still the same. Still using it and my hair has not changed. It is not very thick, especially in my crown area (it never was tbh), but I am not losing further either.
I can imagine if you begin taking Finasteride before the age that you have absolutely an unequivocally completed the transition through puberty and then stop taking it that there would be some undesirable challenges?
I’ve been taking 2.5 mg of finasteride daily for two years and so far no side effects whatsoever, maybe a little depression but i was already depressed before taking it anyway but all the side effects im reading about are highly exaggerated.Cutting the pill in quarters just isn’t possible unless your pill cutter is top notch.Ive also added in Dutasteride 0.5 once per week and ill taper down finasteride to 2.5 mg/3x per week which equals 1mg/ED once im done with my testosterone injections
These guys cannot be impartial. It is in their interest to make these young men look crazy. Taking this drug just cannot be a good idea at least until proper studies are done
I think the people who have claimed issues from the drug post stoppage may mostly be men who became depressed that the medication did not work or caused them stress for a minor problem that they turned bigger due to psychological distress.
gutz1981 I can direct you to information proving this wrong and list specific physical side effects that are not psychosomatic at all. Less semen or none upon ejaculating, change in shape to penis, low to no libido, severe erectile dysfunction to many otherwise normal, previously sexually healthy men in their 20s.
The first week on the medication, the second day in fact I experienced all these things. I was 21. I also had testicle ache and pain in the prostate, throbbing sensation which then later a doctor said is prostatitis. I never even knew where my prostate was at that age until this happened. Along with changes in urination, both with frequency to go and difference in pressure. 13 years later and I still experience these symptoms.
When a drug advertised for a cosmetic purpose inhibits the conversion of a hormone there is bound to be complications and guesswork occurring.
“I think.” Based on what? You think all of these men just got watery cum coincidentally based on psychological issues after taking the same pill?
One thing to consider is ilthat there's wildly more people taking it now than they were before. A good comparison is the covid vaccines; millions of people took them, and several people had negative side effects
What’s annoyed me the most is the complete lack of information given as to what dht actually is and what it’s important for before taking the drug, I’d never even heard of it, only testosterone, I took the pills and it completely messed up my beard growth, then I found out dht is important for facial hair growth, if I’d have been told this before taking the drug I never would have taken it, it’s now taking months for it to return to normal