Is Overclocking now useless?
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2024
- Is overclocking still a thing in 2024?? Should you even CARE if your parts are unlocked and can OC? Let's talk about it!
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At my age I no longer overcock, it’s about preservation at this point
Ahhahahahhahahahhaha
🤣🤣🤣
Wisdom spoke here!
never undercock....
Just need the right "Thermal Paste"
Over WHAT
OVERCOCKING!!!!
As Jay gets older, it becomes harder for him to overcock.
9000!
If you know, you know.
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As a time traveller, OC helps heating up my room during winter.
So, you're wrong Jay
Overclock in the winter just makes too much sense to me
I just wear more clothes. No need to waste energy
@@ralkros681? my 7900x makes the room nice and toasty
If you don't want to feel like you're wasting electricity, I suggest Folding@home. In the shoulder seasons, I turn the thermostats back at night and just Fold in my bedroom. Saves burning oil or wood to keep the whole house warm when I just need one room at night.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I'll certainly try that
the virgin overclock vs the chad undervolt
keep the title Jay. Resist the temptation
This is the way.
Why would he not keep it?
Look at the word that starts with "O" very carefully.@@hacoberthejacober3345
Beat me to it.
Haha keep it for sure
Overcocking is certainly a problem I’ve never had.
XD
Same...
I normally do it to get perfect 60 FPS on games if it's at like 54-55 FPS and then just lock it down.
Undervolting is the modern overclocking
If you seek actual overclock, stick to ram oc. There's a lot of room, but it's way harder to get into
Very hard im convinced not a single person in the world understands what a ram timing actually is
I only undervolt my gaming laptops
Can you explain? What they are then lol @@michaelwerner5049
I have tried ram overclocking few times and it always sucks. I never got anything beyond xmp. Its just not worth it imo.
GPU is generally worth undervolting. I reduced my 3080 FE's draw by 50-70 watts. I'm not convinced that it's worthwhile to mess with CPU and Memory given the risk of data corruption.
Very helpful, without your vids i would never know about MCE option and other stuff. Kudos !
The last time I did that I ended up with a kid.
LMAO
LMAOOOOO
Little baby pcs how adorable
I got 2!
Honey...what is that liquid nitrogen doing in our bedroom?
Hey .. Its a Gas!
Dang, so it is, gotta get some more then
Lmfao my dewar sits in the corner of the bedroom...
It's overcocking
Great video Jay. Down to earth explanations
You're my favorite tech channel on RUclips. Keep up the great work, guys!
I wouldn't say overCOCKing is useless, it certainly has it's uses ...
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nah...
Freudian slip
Nothing wrong with a bit of Big Duck Energy... You just need the right cooling. May I suggest OnlyFans?
@@MrIrondog55Cringe, get out more, dude.
it's amazing how he can do a full video about overcocking with such a straight face, pure professionalism.
I mean, if you rack the slide on your gun too far you're just gonna break it and if you have more roosters than you require for your hens to lay eggs, it's just inefficient isn't it?
This is very timely. When I built my 13900k system last fall, it was the first system I had that was not stable OOB. The motherboard shipped with super aggressive settings, unlimited power limits and I had to undervolt, adjust power limits, limit turbo boost to 55x, etc. just to keep it stable. Recently I decided I wanted to try to push it back up a bit more above 55x and I hit a brick wall. I found that the motherboard had shipped with ICCMax(Core Current Limit) set to auto which meant my current was spiking and hard freezing my machine anytime I played a newer ue5 game.
The solution was to set a value between 300 and 400 amps to the core current limit, adjusting up as I increased the multiplier and slowly pushing my undervolt back up as Jay demonstrated. I don't understand why this has to be so damned complicated OOB and I bet a lot of cpus have been destroyed or RMAd just because of the mixup between the motherboard mfgrs and intel.
1700+, 1.46ghz stock, ran it at 2.4ghz air cooler in a Shuttle SN41G2 which is a small form factor case. It lived in there with three spinny drives (case only had bays for 2, i modified it suspend a third below the stock drive cage), a dvd burner and a radeon 9500 pro. Really good system for its period.
The bios didnt have multiplier selection so that was set using single wire strand jumpers inserted into the socket.
Jays team is genius for the messed up title. instantly got so much engagement on the video from that alone. Well played Jay
Lol that's the only reason I clicked 😂
That's funny I didn't realize that 😂
My brain auto filled
Now all the comments are people who think they're clever instead of a meaningful discussion yay
If you find yourself overcocked for longer than 4 hours, seek immediate medical attention.
"Have you tried running cold water over it?"
My friend once brought back 'special gum' from Japan. I should have been suspicious because of the anime girl on the packet. I was hard for hours. Awful.
@@LlywellynOBrien damn...how long till it undercock? hahaha kinda hurts though if left for long
@@Follower_Of_The_Onions All systems were nominal after around six hours I think.
@LlywellynOBrien 6hr!....ayyy
Man your vid quality has gotten so good over the years kudos
This was a massive insight on How overclocking works and how to educate yourself on the topic. Thank you.
Undervolting is the new OC. If the chips want to overclock themselves, try to see how little voltage your chip needs to do it!
I’ve been tuning for efficiency the last year or so. Keep the same performance, get a 10-15% energy saving :-)
Exactly, upgraded from an i5 9600kf oc to 4.9.
Upgraded to 7800x3d, under volted -30 offset! 5ghz
Very well said!
@@therobotguidebut make sure you actually test your CPU for data errors with Prime95 or a similar program
Liquid nitrogen is the best OC method. Intel 14900KS has reached 9GHZ through this method. 8 P CORES AND 16 E CORES.
Title gonna make this the #1 video of the month
Might as well keep it, 2k views under a minute
I feel like this is a direct response to my response to the question/pole you put out the other day. Nice.
Always entertaining having RUclips feed me videos about overclocking since I've been under clocking and under volting for almost 2 decades now. Overclock to get an idea of what a system can handle then spending a lot of time dropping voltage, adjusting timing and balancing everything. Would rather have better performance than worse visual stability.
I'm totally with you there. I underclock and undervolt my multicore CPU's for years now, ,have much much better temps and even score higher in some benchmarks (multicore).
The way i see it ; if you want THE gaming PC , choose one with with a minimum core layout and push it as much you can to obtain that fps that will make you a smarter person than the rest . If you're into media creation , get the maximum amount of cores and let them run quietly . (i found that out comparing my 965 black with the fx 8350)
There used to be a saying that if you wanted to keep your car engine in the long run you should try to stay below 2/3th of the max rpm . Because the engine would get hot, use a lot of energy , brake down faster. And you would probably not get to your destination faster...
Amazing. What a smart boy. We're all impressed. Pat yourself on the back
I have undervolted my CPU and GPU on old acer predator 2018 laptop... Now I could play games games at consistent fps and at 5°C less temperature on my GPU and CPU. It's sure is a lifesaver for aging hardware
Undercock > overcock
Undercock 💯 😂
@@InviableTrader That's the balls, sir.
don't you mean under volting?
It clearly says undercock. What part of that is confusing? @@kevinerbs2778
Thats what she said
Overcocking. When you put too much "P" into your P-C.
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This comment wins the day.
PPC
Is it too much P or too much C?
I’m glad Jay finally knows about Falcon Northwest. I known about them for a long time. They’re my favorite SI.
When i first got into pc gaming, with the gtx 960 and a 6600k, your's/kyles/pauls OC guides were amazing. Helped me get to grips with how to pinpoint my cards maximum potential or efficiency.
These days you are right, it is pretty depressing. These days i find the VRAM and RAM clocks (and RAM timings) are the only bit of tinkering i can do. MCE and the ability to just max the power limit slider on afterburner are the modern day realities of overclocking.
My first overclock was accidental! I'm going to date myself here but I upgraded my Packard Bell with a 75MHz Pentium to a 100MHz Pentium but I put the jumpers in wrong and it ran at 133MHz. I was young. I thought I got a mismarked CPU (which now I know, is not far from the truth). It ran fine, never crashed, never burned up, same cheapo stock cooler.
I miss the days where could run a 300A celeron at 566mhz
Let the magic pixie smoke out of my p2 so I could play some fps game for a day, probably would have worked with proper cooling but I don't remember my p2 even having a cooler on it. Replacement was easy enough thankfully and I didn't touch overcocking again for almost 2 decades until I learned about infinity fabric on Ryzen 2600x.
So, I don’t need to worry if my PC is packing schmeat?
How many ghz are you rocking in those sockets?
Excellent video and very interesting.... I learned a lot in this video as someone who also overclocked back in the day as well....
OC times are done for me. I was an enthusiast in OC. My favorite "games" were superpi95, 3dmark2001, rivatuner.
From my memory,
300A's at double speed 600mhz
barton 2400+m 1.666ghz to 2.5ghz
p4 ee prescott at 5.2ghz
and hardware enabling.. bridging pins on thorton to revert it to barton, or applebreds reverting to thouroghbred. Voltmods on ram, etc.
I had a Slot-1 Celeron 300A at 500MHz its entire life. Its such a different animal now, great comment.
@@TheBluesCruise nice. I still have my first abit bx440 board with slot1 and some 300a, and various klamath, tualatin, deuches (333mhz) and a SlotA amd k5 or k6 (that does not work on slot1 but it does fit.. the oddball slot A)
Oh man, I miss my Barton! Remember all the “pencil mods” we used to have to do to reduce resistance across resistors? Now it’s like cheating using LLC in the bios to achieve the same thing. 😂 Oh man, and bridging the cpu pins with wires to trick the cpu? Those were the good old days for sure. I still overclock everything tho, and my 14900k is an animal at 6.2Ghz idle and 5.8ghz all core at 100% load indefinitely.
My first overclock was when I was 10 years old. Turned my dad’s Pentium 166 via jumpers into a Pentium 200 and that thing ran for years like that. That was before the internet and me discovering that it was just jumpers dictating your cpu speed you paid for. Lol 😂
@@halflife82 nice. I do have some eyecandy. I still have the barton in working condition.
Case antec 300. Mb abit nf-7s v2.0, barton 2400m (aqxda or something, mobile was just a selected chip that could run low voltage stable. These were rhe best to OC. The normal 3200+ was less powerful than 2400+m). The Tt volcano chunk of 700g of copper cooler. BH5 ram, and ATI 9500se aiw modded into 9800pro aiw, oc to 9800xt aiw levels with Arctic silencer 3.. the OG of custom coolers on gpu one of the first blower types for consumers. All components were bought new by me in 2003-2005. I stil have all the boxes and all accesories for it. It was my first gaming rig bought with my own money from my first job.
Raising the FSB and corrupting my Windows install. 😅
Water cooling an overcock should make for an interesting follow up video.
You're gonna put that tube where? !!!
What kind of pumps are recommended? 🤣
Sometimes a cold shower is the right answer to overheating problems.
He use to be the watercooling guy, he even had his test bench setup so it was like a 5min job to put a new component in. Now he seems to just be a review guy, with some useful videos but not watercooling.
Pump and dump valve!
No water cooling. OnlyFans.
Jay the title lol
It's JayZ-Missed-Letter now
I never overclock. When I read in forums, people having issue with game crashes, or over heating, often I believe it to be due to overclocking. A few extra $s towards higher end components will nullify the need to overclock. Plus you won't need to upgrade as soon. Don't overclock, spend a little extra and keep the PC cool!
This is a great conversation to have, thnx Jay
Last time I felt the need to overcock was back when I had i7 3770k. Back then overcocking still really improved performance and gave a more pleasurable experience than regular cocking.
Yeah I remember those days. Funny enough the 3rd gen Intel core i7 is still fine today despite it being over 11 years old.
I have a non-K i7-3770 overcocked to 4.22-4.43GHz in one of my systems. Back then even the locked CPUs had few extra multipliers and I've also overcocked the bus speed to 103MHz which gives slightly above 100MHz boost to the CPU cocks
Yep, I've previously used an overclocked 2500K, now I run 8700K and I don't feel the need to overclock it. I undervolted it to achieve lower temps with the same performance and that was all.
I overclocked my i5 4690K to 4.4GHz without going over 55C. I could have gone higher and did get 4.5GHz stable, but didn't feel comfortable with the voltage required. Also it already put out enough heat, and my bedroom window faced the sun so it was always warmer in my room (cats loved it).
I'm still using that chip in this gaming rig. The game I play only utilizes like 35% of the CPU so I still don't need anything faster.
Overcocking? I’ve never been accused of that…
I have...
@@rodturner6759 Grats
this has made me feel better about what I though of my 2081ti FTW3. for the longest time, I thought I got a bit of a dud, as I had no room to overclock it. between remembering I have it in the oc profile & it's already at the edge by design, I feel better about only being able to do a small memory boost to it
My best OC was dual Celeron Core2Duo 333mHz on an ABIT BP6 board up to 550 stable using Alpha coolers.
I overcocked my PC and I have some questions
There's probably a lotion for that.
@@lafradIt's called "thermalpaste". For when the Pee-Cores get to hot and whatnot
@@Hugh_I dude i'm dead roflamo
Hopefully it wasn't in a cheap case with sharp edges.
what a gorgeous title, just spectacular.
Watercooling projects sound amazing, going to look forward to it!
I was huge into overclocking 15-20 years ago. I still have a 24v industrial pump in a box somewhere from a custom watercooling setup. Nowadays the way the chips manage clocks themselves I don't bother overclocking. However, the accumulated cooling experience from overclocking definitely helps with keeping the clock/temperature curve in a better range.
I fell in love with overcocking back when I was a kid, my dad showed me how to do it when he overcocked my personal system. I miss my dad, we used to overcock with one another all the time. 😢😢😢
I was gonna call the COPS (child overcocking protection services) but if you enjoyed it...
Over .. what!? Freudian slip.
Nice vid. I'm on a 9900K running all at 5Ghz and stable when rendering scenes or doing other things that actually use all cores. For me it still helps if I do for example Flight Simulator which no matter what CPU you run always limited by the CPU since it's using way too little threads. And if you run for example VR as well you need every frame you can get. And I never could get my CPU to 5Ghz but that was because most guides said you needed to adjust the Load Calibration thing in BIOS and if for me that worked completely contra productive for overclocking.
I believe you are correct about shifty sales tactics. They sucked up all the headroom leaving us with nothing.
After seeing the title, I immediately scrolled to the comments. Did not disappoint. 😆
Someones clocked up on the title. LMFAO!!
Ennergy Efficent Tuning is the new Overclock. With rising prices for Power (specific Eu/Germany) its important to have a lower power usage at the same performance.
Had a E4300 running twice its stock clock speeds. Good times. Thanks for this video.
This deserves an extra like cause it made me laugh at work.
I really wish Secret World was still being developed mayne
Overcocking is dangerous! Gotta be sure to tell your partner first!
The biggest thorn in the side of ALL OverClockerLanders is this.
BIOS/UEFI Settings list the Basic Approach and the Detailed Approach.
Far too often in both ASUS & Gigabyte UEFI/BIOS Settings I have here to test on.
Setting the Exact Same settings apparently in BOTH Places during same test Generally Results in head-scratching "WHY NO BOOT?"
seriously
Who has access to ASUS, Gigabyte, et cetera Developers, Developers, Developers to FIX THIS?
35+ years building my own PCs, and this has been seen on all three UEFI/BIOS Settings available to me personally, ASROCK is here, but untested.
about all I do anymore is set the 5800X to Base*40 instead of *38, all the rest AUTO. a whopping 1/19*100% increase in Baseline perf.
thanks! YOU ROCK for Being Honest!
Looking forward to the water cooling episodes! Can you also maybe do a video on how to add RGB fans to a GPU?
title is wild comms
Its not about how big the number is but the stability of the system.
Thanks for this well done informative video.
It’s all about Undervolting now. Lower power usage and noise.
I can hear Phil's laugh from here for that mixup
I remember overclocking my 2600k to like 4.4GHz all core and getting a "noticeable" performance improvement and just feeling good about the whole tunning process. With my 12700k the most I can get is an undervolt to lower temps and that's it.
You should’ve probably overcocked it instead.
I was thinking the same to be honest bud didn't want to mention it
Yeah Newer processors are already overclocked to begin with. So undervolting become the new option
I remember overclocking my AMD FX 8120 all core 4.4GHz
Sandy Bridge chips oc like mad. I had my 2500k running at 4.5 for over a decade. Actually it still runs at that it's just waiting to be repurchased since I have a 5900x build now but it was my favorite chip I've owned
My previous/ spare system is an i7 8700k that I sent out to Silicon Lottery for bin and delidding. It was 5.0 stable on all cores undervolted, 5.2 with a slight increase, and a few changes.
The last CPU I was seriously overclocking (by more than 5% frequency) was Celeron 300, back in the P2 era.
MAN THE TITTLE SHOOKETH ME I TELL YOU
Sorry kids, if you weren't around in the late 90s - early 2000s you missed the golden age of overclocking
Coming from the PC era since 90s nowadays I like to undervolt my GPU & CPU. Yeah I can overclock for some benchmarks but that's about it. With this new hardware many games dont even know what to do with all these cores. Sometimes even reducing amount of cores can improve game speed. The kids nowadays even missed out on the best era of games if they dont retro game play. I sure have replayed some of the old games with new hardware & some game tweaks to get Glide 3DFX API @1440P the game look so good & old good game play.
"Sorry kids, if you weren't around in the late 90s - early 2000s you missed the golden age of overclocking"
At least they have more lifespan than you to enjoy future technologies.
@@roahnosh lol cope
Believe me, a lot of people around the world dont play games at that era, cuz they had more important things to be done. Or they want to, but they cant because of money. For you those times were golden, but for others it was nightmare.
@@iceManSwag2010s had the best era of games
I still have an 8600k and i enjoyed tickering with it and getting better performance, its not massive difference but its more than i got as standard. Plus for me it was fun playing about with the system, gave me a better understanding on what does and doesnt work and the impact it makes
Oc some low to mid range stuff! I have a +1500mhz oc on my R5 5600 and you can use morepowertool and moreclocktool on AMD GPUs to get ridiculous OCs. I'd love to see you do more and OCs so I think that would be interesting
I messed with my 5900x quite a bit when I first got it, but at the end of the day I really only changed RAM timings and undervolted it in BIOS, PBO does the rest. It does 4.95 GHz single core across most cores, undervolted, on air. There definitely used to be way more performance gain on the table for those willing to mess around with settings and cooling set-ups. Now all of that is done on the front-end and the parts are sold as different SKUs.
I overclocked my GPU (literally), ram (improved timings and higher speed) and CPU (pbo offset). So really only the gpu was"overclocked". But I had to cut back the GPU overclock massively when avatar didn't like it; whereas ran perfectly with cyberpunk.
Even if the rewards are no longer what they were it's still fun (panic inducing) to mess around with it.
Sounds about same with me, I have a ryzen 7 7700x, when I got it a few months ago I got it with a noctua nh15 cooler I think, big massive notcua heat sink with 2 massive 140m included noctua fans, at default settings in game I was getting about 5.4 to 5.5ghz which is what it states I should get, I was able to overclock it up to 5.8ghz but that required giving it a fair amount of extra voltage giving me insane temps, so I ended up just adjusting some settings with pbo and now I got it running at 5.6ghz all cores basically the entire time I'm gaming with its temps averaging about 65 and never hitting higher then 82 xD, I do miss the days where you could overclock massively but then again tbf now adays with how fast these cpus run and how much performance they already give us I also don't think theirs a need to overclock anymore
Huge overcocking fan here, personally, I love getting in there. I know some people think we'll this low level fiddling doesn't do any thing bit add to my satisfaction. No my friend, it's more than that. It really is just necessary for life.
how are you man? keep up the good work
Zero problems reach factory boost on my 5800X.
Tuned PBO2 with curve optimizer for a rock solid all core 4.75ghz and 5ghz single core. Idle 28C, 78C under load. All at 125W.
Cooler is 280 AIO.
Over cocking?
Is over WHAT!!!
The only thing that's worth even doing nowadays is Undervolting. The rest is taken care off by stuff like PBO and auto-overclock stuff on GPUs.
Otherwise, for GPUs it'd mby be worth playing around trying to find your silicon's memory clock max since those are usually quite lower than what they can reach and offer decent improvements.
Just for clarification:
Power dissipation scales exponentially with supply voltage and linearry with frequency.
I had to do a double take when I seen that title lol
Undervolting is the "new" overclocking.
I undervolted my 3060ti and couldn't be happier with the temps and performance
with keeping the spirit of the title it should be called "undervomiting" now
Undervolting is the new overcocking. Great for the temps to boot.
I think AI would be better tuners for this soon.
Undervolting my 5800X3D so my cooler doesn’t scream into my mic 🎙️ Still getting great performance out of it. Not hitting top clocks , but at 100 watts or less, it’s cool and quiet and dumping on Intel 200 watt competitor
Just run an all core limit on 5.7Ghz and vCore at about 1.32-1.37V depending on silicon. I use the V/F curve system system using negative mV offsets on 5.6Ghz -6Ghz. Works really well and the cpu behaves normally and is way easier to cool. Getting rid of changing frequency while playing FPS shooters is an absolute must to avoid that dreaded desync server feel wich is often just the cpu parking a thread momentarily.
would love to see you do a comparison of direct die blocks for 14th gen, like supercool computers DD kit, Iceman DD, derbauer's new DD block. Maybe get the 14900ks and see whats the max overclock you can do with it. Would remind me of the old days when you did the extreme overclock videos.
The title is hilarious
I still remember when i overcooked My cpu to 150°c doesnt work anymore and it's burned
im building a new AM5 system next week. upgrading my am4. i plan to run direct die with block offset on a dual 360 loop. get the temps down, power up, and see waht i can boost
I have a Giggitybyte motherboard and I always overcock it! 😁
Couldnt imagine overcocking my PC
THANK YOU JAY😁✌️
I updated the bios on my rig and I kept seeing it absolutely COOKING! turned out, power limit set to auto on whatever am4 board it was, means sky's the limit. You have to manual set the power limit or it will basically border on frying, like 95 - 105 C.
I overclocked my RX 5700 the way you did how to amd video more power tool to reduce the artificial restriction and running 250mhz higher than stock 1700 or so that's almost 15%, there will probably be some artificial locks in the future by binning i hope so
I mean i know GPU prices are ridiculous but......that title!
She like the performance on her C-Core to be as high as possible
I used to have a pretty good i5 9600k that overclocked to 5.1 all core stable. I could do 5.2 normal use and some games, but more demanding stressing crashed it lol. I can't remember the voltage I had on it, but I believe it was 1.2v. Temps never exceeded 67c.
I just love overclocking and overcocking. Looking forward to water cooking doing one now with chiller
Undervolting is the new OC.
That title is wild💀
@Jay Is it feasible/smart to run the watercooling lines out of the house?
Yeah it depends on your situation, probably shouldn't put holes in your wall if you rent, but still probs worth a video on if it's worth it and how it could be done.
gotta love that power limit, my boards "optimized settings" decided that my pl1 and 2 should both be 4096w....
Sometimes overcocking at my age it just means i can still go the distance. Maybe a bit of overheating but thats what watercooling is meant for. Until your leg cramps up.
Wait I just read the comments and now I'm dead
Honestly I do kinda miss overclocking a bit, it was kinda fun to see how much more performance I could squeeze out of a CPU that would otherwise have required adding potentially hundreds of dollars to the sticker price. BUT, I do also appreciate that I don't have to worry as much about stress testing to determine stability, or worrying so much every time I get a crash that it's because I'm pushing the chip too hard. Idk, it's a mixed bag for people who like to tinker.
I followed what you did in the video. Net gained 2000 points in cinebench and I maintain 5500 GHz P cores 4400 GHz E cores. Thanks for the overclocking tips!
Title is an instant classic, please don't change. Put that on a JayZ t-shirt for merch instead!