Hyundai Ioniq 5 N Destroys; 3 Dream Swaps - TST Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N blew Matt's mind for so many reasons you won't believe. Plus, what engines would we swap into which car if we had all the money and talent? That's what we're talking about today. Dream builds. Plus, Patreon questions about:
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Should I buy a low-mile Forester in a boring color or a high-mileage one in an exciting color?
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Brought my 2025 Ioniq N home last week. Definitely something special about this car that is forever going in the history books as starting a new class of EV. WTG Hyundai! In garage next to GT4 & C8.
Wow this says a lot. Thanks for your comment. Picking up my Atlas White 5N in 3 days. Literally have never been this excited for a car in a very long time. Based on what you drive, high praise indeed (you have very good taste I must say). Sold my base 981 Cayman manual for this as I can no longer enjoy that car as much as I used to, so this should be interesting to say the least. More than twice the power and almost double the weight, but it seems to hide its heft well. Happy to join the band of N brothers soon!
Congrats. Thank you. Definitely a lot of positive press on the Ioniq 5 N. Hyundai is putting a lot of Motorsport behind the N brand. I love it.
@@shiftsgiggles962can i ask if you paid over or MSRP. Dealerships in Texas are trying to get 5-10k over
Yes. Was asked to pay $20k over. Walked out. Next day, $2000 over or else would have dealer traded.
@@shiftsgiggles962 well not sure where you bought it at but doesn't sound too bad. Just not going to pay over for an ev
Got my Ioniq5N a few days ago and still trying to get it set-up, so many options, but the car is so much fun to drive. I got the blue matte color.
F@cking awesome!!! 👏🏻 I’ll be joining you soon. Atlas White 5N in a few days.
He gets it. HYUNDAI is easily the most progressive when it comes to evolving EVs into gen 2 territory. They deserve way more credit.
Can't wait for the 5N video.
Fun fact, the “future“ sound is from a Hyundai vision concept car in Gran Turismo. You can load up the game, pick that car, and hear the exact sound the Ioniq 5 N is using.
Ioniq 5 N is my dream car. 😂 mid 40s and i'm driving a 13 year old aging X5. i'm yearning for something fun. i could convince my wife that this thing is an SUV. man gotta dream!!
Get rid of both.
I’ll sound like a broken record but have you considered something like a miata, Z3 or another little convertible? one toss into a corner with a miata and it’ll have you smiling ear to ear
@@mazda_miata_ i've had plenty of fun tossable cars back in the day. but i got a family and 3 dogs. i'm damn lucky i'm not driving a damn minivan. my last tossable car was e36 325i with some mods. that thing was a hoot, but tranny blew. i have A4 in other country, fun little car, but kinda boring.
this is something i really want. i like the fact that i can turn everything on and off. and it has enough room and can convince my wife that this is actually an suv. lol
i love miatas, but just doesn't fit my life style right now. my in law had s2000 and i'm sure it's similar to that.
@@joec.5009 Not sure why this is classified as anything but an SUV or, at the very least, a crossover. Nobody who has seen this thing in person will tell you that it's massive. It certainly weighs like an SUV too.
There is another reason why a small local airport may have a great restaurant. Rich people who own small planes, like to go for rides with their friends. They buzz around for awhile then, stop for breakfast / lunch . Super convenient to dine at the airport. I found this out while staying on block island, the diner at that very small airport is legendary.
Yup, Oxford airport in CT use to have a killer restaurant like that too. I’m surprised Matt has never seen/heard of this trend before
It’s called a “hundred dollar hamburger “ lots of restaurants are on airfields. It’s not only for the rich. I fly my friends to a local restaurant frequently.
Co-worker of mine has a standard Ioniq 5 and absolutely loves it.
We can really thank Albert Biermann for this. He was the former Vice Chief of Development at BMW M.
He went to Hyundai and became their Head of development. He Built the N Performance thing from the ground and he is a real petrol head.
He thinks a car has to be fun. And thats what they did. Let's face it. The Gear shift simulation makes the car objectively slower. But it's just more fun to drive.
According to Jason Cammisa, Biermann left because BMW was forcing an automatic into the M5. Thank you, BMW beancounters.
Hah is that why it's N?? One more letter after M?
@@BingBongYourLifecorporate says it’s Nürburgring.. But actually, yes..
@@BingBongYourLife copied from their site "Every High-performance N is designed by passionate experts and born here at the Hyundai Motor
Namyang R&D Center. Afterward, the performance cars go off to the Nürburgring in Germany, one of the world’s most
grueling race tracks, to undergo rigorous testing and inspection. Through this painstaking
process, N technology has been refined and reborn." so made in Namyang and tested and developed on Nürburgring
@@BingBongYourLife One of the marketing lines is "Born in Namyang, Honed at Nürburgring". N is named after Namyang, where the company is based. Just a BIG coincidence. 😆
I have '22 SEL RWD and it's been a fantastic dd/ appliance. I am so excited to get into the N. To hear Matt so stoked about it makes me want to get into one even more.
I'm on my third Hyundai I think one of the problems is people still have a stigma about Hyundai being a cheap car which is no longer the case by any stretch of the imagination
I love my Elantra N. Whenever I see a discussion about it, the one big problem is resale value. I don't care about that, I bought it to own it. It's a great car. I'd love to have a Veloster N and Ioniq 5 N to make a set.
Actual car guys know what's up. I don't know a single car guy who shits on Hyundai/KIA/Genesis. Especially their N division.
people just hear about the "engine recalls" and think all of them do that. Plus, FB comments get way out of hand and blows everything out of proportion without much proof. Anyone can write anything and the sheep people believe it. I've had 6 Hyundais since early 2000s and not a single one gave me trouble. The more recent one I had was a 2013 Veloster turbo and I drove that thing to 150k miles in like 3 years and it never gave me any trouble. I will never hesitate to buy another Hyundai/Kia.
@BWTECH0521 100% correct. Whenever I'm talking cars and someone brings up the tired old tropes, I immediately know they're not on top of what's happening in the industry. The HKG group has no choice but to try twice as hard to get half the recognition. They also back it up with the warranty. Many make the mistake of thinking lower price equals lower quality, when the reality is the Koreans are just better virtually integrated than most. Everything from chips, steel, to manufacturing. Their industrial base is massive and one of the world's strongest.
They have no conscience.
If GM or Ford had made the car, it would have cost at least $200,000.
And people used to say driving the Nissan GTR is like a computer game……… Hyundai said hold my beer
A car with hydraulic steering! If we only knew... 😁
The advantage of having an EV act like an ICE car is it lets the driver leverage muscle memory without effort. Very interesting.
The car also adds a form of feedback for the driver, that taps into that memory/wiring.
One way to describe the size of the Ionic 5 - it’s like a modern-day AMC Eagle
I think Pacer or AMX-GT.
@@VacFinkthe amx gt looks sick! But, is def quite a bit smaller than the I5N.
In US terms it's like a Bronco sport, just a bit longer and a full 20cm/8" lower
RWD converted Buick Reatta with GM's 3.6 V6 Twin Turbo.
VW Rabbit GTI with a VR6.
Datsun Z with an NA RB26 and ITBs.
Hear me out: Datsun 240Z with a vr38ddtt 🙏
Guys i am so happy to hear your conversation! I was listening to you whilst driving my Ioniq5 N in manual mode on the way to the design studio…
So glad you like our “lie”…!!!
Best wishes from Seoul,
Simon L
That's so cool man. Btw are you from Korea or did you move for the job, if you don't mind me asking?
Moved for the job :-)))
Max Regenerative Brake:
-0.36G without pressing brake pedal
-0.6~-0.36G with pressing brake pedal
-0.2G during ABS's operating
Was at the dealership the other day checking out the 5N. Absolutely in love with it. Will pick one up in a year or 2 once im done paying off my FL5. Hopefully by then they'll have increased the range.
42:45 Just allow owners to upload their own sounds and the modding community will be all over it (think Assetto Corsa).
However, to allow for realistic, racing-sim-level emulation there needs to be some kind of an "audio engine" that doesn't just go off of throttle position/vehicle speed, but also factors in traction, environment conditions, etc. That might be too costly for automakers to develop for something they don't stand to make much money on.
That said, what a promising feature! That could totally get me to buy a high-performance EV.
I think that will be the natural progression. These guys aren't messing around, they'll allocate a lot of resources towards sound engineering.
The "Palpatine lightning" gestures on the thumbnail cracked me up :D
I worked and then managed Hellams tobacco shop for a few years....dude you have no idea about the wild history and crazy shit that went down in there! super fun during car week!!! almost got a ride in president of moto gp carrera gt....just endless stories, selling the rarest cigars....it's deep.
I bought a manual elantra N in February and this weirdly affirms my decision lol excited for the video!
That is some huge praise from Matt re the Ioniq 5 N, looking forward to the video. Wonder if this will now set a new base for fun/performance oriented EVs to follow. Curious to see how the excitement compares when you guys test the Macan EV and if Matt will make the switch lol. Priced the Hyundai one out just now for fun, 91K CAD, oooweee but far from the 141K CAD Macan EV I spec'd. That aside I think many will just continue to find it hard to get over the Hyundai brand, regardless how good the vehicle is. We shall see.
I think Hyundai should think about making an Ioniq 5 "N-line" that will have the features from the N (fake transmission, engine noise, etc), but will "only" have the power of the standard AWD Ioniq 5.
Search Ioniq 5 n line. They just announced it a few weeks ago.
Put a gen 3 hemi in an old AMC grand wagoneer for cruising canyons and beaches. Or get a fifth or sixth gen suburban from the 60s and lift it with an LS swap for classy overlanding.
An EV with theatrics! I am very hyped to give one a go now.
The obvious collaboration is the Forzas of the world and the EV manufacturers in the world. They have the sounds and torque curves people want to try.
Matt "I'm not used to friendship" Zach "That feels good to hear" 😬
This is hilarious and definitely what he meant now reading it back.
I interpreted Zach's statement as, 'oh you're successful and famous and know a lot of people but friendship is still difficult for you so now I don't feel bad about my lack of friendship.'
I think thats why Zach is so hilarious, the very subtle double entendres he inserts in the convo
the settings are what is fun about the car. People are gonna spend years to figure it out and build a community
I own and love an Alfa Romeo, and - though I never thought I’d say this - am pretty excited about this Hyundai. One thing that just occurred to me after listening to this is that ‘in theory’ once tuners get a hold of this, with software alone you could could switch from fake turbo to fake supercharger, or fake v8… or V10! I’m here for it :)
Love the ioniq, but hopefully the tech and sprit will bleed down a smaller/lighter platform also, and inspire other brands to develop the gears, audio etc…
Sat in this at the LA Auto Show last year. In the top 3 most exciting cars there for me. Others were the Mustang Dark Horse and GR Corolla. Sounds like it will live up to the hype.
I was there too. I loved that you could go inside the HI5N and it was empty most of the time
the regen thing is 0.6G not 6G : it's a hard breaking for normal cars and level of many circuit corners usable braking amount without using physical break system. maximum minus g force in F1 is near to 6G.
I feel like the move with the NGB is to have it act like a nitrous button.
1:25:31
A few reasons:
-side-exit exhaust (as mentioned)
-large displacement (as mentioned)
-low redline
-uneven firing order (probably the biggest factor)
Even so, the Viper V10 can be made to sound really good. I invite Joe to take a listen to some built 9.0L stroker Vipers, they actually sound amazing.
Tony Angelo is putting a Aston V12 into a Fox Body Mustang
Amen on the power memory seats. It's a great concern for me. Spouse 5'10, me 6'5"
First time here. How refreshing to hear gearheads reviewing an EV without ditzing the tech. I've spent fifty years building ICE comp cars. And I'm totally onboard with electric.
Thanks guys
Awesome video, this helped cinch my decision to get one. Thank you Matt and Zack, you are awesome gentlemen. Trust your opinions over anyone else’s.
If i could get a sunroof and lighter interior, I would happily pay $65k for a 5N.
I hope he comments on Donny getting arrested! 😮
Highly doubt he'd comment on an ongoing case.
What was be arrested for?
Just looked it up 😟
It's gotta happen this time.
Recorded before all the info came out, prob next show
This is the 4th or 5th Ionic 5N review that focused on the fake engine noise and gear shift integration. I can see it for adapting to EVs from ICE vehicles and helping to have audible and kinesthetic feedback for determining speed and traction limits. It adds interactivity which can be good. I'm glad it can be turned off and nice that they offer it. I think future iterations of the N or other EVs should offer sound based on speed without gear shift and rev limiter power interruptions. That would provide the benefits of sound for at limit driving without adding lap time.
A CBX1000 Engine in a Honda Beat with equal length headers is my call.
late to the game but been catching up on missed episodes. Ioniq N sounds like an insanely interesting experience, genuinely something that should be on the radar of petrolheads. Engine swaps I didn't particularly agree with, except for Matt's S54 into Alpina Z1 idea, so here are my takes:
Toyota 1GZ-FE V12 into Mazda Eunos Cosmo 13B with ZF 8-speed auto (smooth, reliable, torquey, exclusive powertrain into a huge barge) with the wrong original engine)
Subaru EZ30D H6 into Lancia Gamma Coupé with any slushbox and RWD conversion (finally enough cylinders into the Gamma, still low enough for the bodywork to keep its original hood line)
Porsche 993 Carrera RS into VW SP2 with 6-spd manual (still aircooled, no more anemic)
OK....NEW TOPIC IDEA.....5 best movie car chases
The cannonball run opening scene will win for sure because they actually skipped a real countash across the water.
When is the video coming out? I see so many videos on this car out already.
It’s not a lie, it’s real! Electric cars are digital and the only limit is programming. You can only do so much with analog engines. Programming motion to optimize the driving experience is real.
I'd love to make a straight six Corvette
Damn, missed the inventory of those sweet pulse Hoodies and shirts. Hope y'all restock. Have the Camaro pattern tattooed on my left leg but now drive a 718 Cayman so matching that R top left now
Donnie Callaway had a rap sheet going back 25 years and Matt was still promoting him for years. It isn't like all of his criminal doings were a surprise. What the hell?
And jay Leno...
@@bentucker2301Jay probably had no idea. Matt was warned and dismissed it.
At 1:30:19 impressions battle was epic. Zack is the winner for me but Matt's choice of movie is my Jam
It's interesting how two auto journalists I respect disagree about Ioniq 5 N VS. Lucid. Matt says Ioniq 5 N is better. Jason Cammisa says Lucid is better. It's good to have choices.
Lol... It's funny you say that. I was literally thinking the same thing right after I listened to the carmudgeon episode and came here to listen to Matt's perspective about the car.
Factor in the massive price difference and the winner is clear!
@@Larwince ahhhh well see now you say that... I just went on Auto tempest and found the lucid air pure and air touring for 65k to 70k
And at that price 😏... I think I've got to go Lucid. I think the looks and the range just have an edge for me
Can we get Matt to make the JCW supercharger "NYEEEEEH" noise every pod? Haha
Really excited for the ionic videos, sounds like an absolute banger. It will be a while until people are tracking EV’s at my local track considering there isn’t a charger within 30 miles. It could work for me, though I would just need to get a fast charger installed I already have 220 in the garage. I will say, however, diagnosing and troubleshooting an electric car at the track will prove to be either impossible or very complicated especially if you’d like to keep your warranty and not risk getting electrocuted. I just hope Hyundai can deliver on the service side of these vehicles. There is also the whole thing about EVs becoming a paperweight after five years. Diminished value and performance is not something a lot of people consider with electric cars, but is a very real reality.
The qualifications for dream engine swap project - i think you need to start with a car that's truly "held back" by its engine. Vintage cars don't have the rest of the ingredients to handle the extra power.
Like, I generally agree with your suggestions, but you would need to restomod the suspension, brakes, etc, too.
And the LC is fine the way it is.
If only there was a car that had a great chassis, hamstrung by an underpowered, unreliable engine...
That's why my favorite swap is LS in an RX8.
But i guess maybe that's more "most logical" engine swap rather than "dream" engine swap 🤷🏼♂️.
"I was looking on carg- Autotempest" lol
That's a lot of praise for the Ioniq 5 N. Other people don't seem to be that impressed. Probably didn't really test like Matt did.
Well EV people hate cars usually. This nothing like what they are used to.
Yeah he touched on this in the pod, but it seems like the solo session only he got made helped make a better impression.
WTH you talking about. Every reviewer has said the 5N is a game changer.
The 5 N seems to be garnering amazing praise from all over - must be an awesome experience!
Brings up a philosophical question though. Why are we trying to mimic a multi-gear ICE car experience in EVs at all? When you think about it - having gears is a compromise - you have to shift gear ratios to match the optimum part of the engine's torque curve for getting the desired speeds. We've learned to enjoy the experience but really, for a car you shouldn't you just have a go-pedal and a stop-pedal? I say this even though I drive a manual! :-) How far is too far? Could they come up with an option where you can spec your EV with little cylinders on the back, and a pellet-feed system to synthesize exhaust smoke? Sounds absurd, but fake noise and shift points sound just as out there.
I suspect if I drove it I would enjoy the hell out it - we humans are strange.
Knowing the gear and the engine speed provide more data points You don't have to rely on your eyes, you can use those to look down track, your ears will tell you roughly what speed you're going because you know what gear you're in and you know what the engine sounds like at that speed and gear. It doesn't have to be traditional engine sound, as long as the pitch and tone change with the presumed gearing, such that you know about where you are in the rev range and in what gear you are, even though the rev range and the gear are both virtual. It is providing you auditory information to help with driving, freeing up your eyes and mind.
Why? Because car ""enthuuuuuuusiasts"" do nothing but whine about wanting noise, shifting, and "engagement". You can give them something that's objectively better in every way, but they'll want it to be be worse (manual transmission, loud exhaust, slower), so Hyundai is giving them exactly what they want.
There’s a reason I chose a manual 911 over a PDK, and more importantly why the market places a higher premium for manuals over “superior” DCTs. The PDK is without question a faster transmission, but it’s less engaging. This is no different.
@@llaughridge Why would one take a scenic highway when there is an interstate that would get one there faster?
Why would one spend several hours eating a multicourse dinner and conversing with friends when one could obtain all the needed nutrition by gulping down a drink in a minute or two?
Objectively better at doing what?
Had a Kia Cerato GT (different name in US) and now have an I30N Sedan. Both have the screen go blank on occasions. Sometimes completely unresponsive and required a shut down and restart. Not often enough to be annoying.
Cappuccinos are indeed good at Motorkhana (tiny autocross). Small, nimble and very lightweight.
Holy hot levels on those VO reads…cmon Zack
Swaps:
1. 1978 M1 with S85 v10/manual
2. LC500 with LFA V10/Porsche PDK
3. DeTomaso Pantera with Voodoo v8/manual
Matt the the dollar vs. Yen right now is in a good place. **Lowest since 1990. If someone could buy a GTR and afford it, might be the time now.
4 Sure, The upcoming EV Golf R, just got AWESOME!
Hyundai N has been tearing up the WRC so they have plenty of data and experience from motorsport in the form of rally racing.
The Ioniq 5N definitely has the modern Lancia Delta vibes...a fat bloated Mini Countryman sized Lancia Delta.
Imaginary gears is an essential part of getting a two wheel drive EV up an icy hill with a tight corner in the middle.
in family:
turbo s engine in 987.2 spyder
mazda speed 3 engine in RX-8
out of family:
Sr20DET in e30 325is
any pagani v12 in any 90's JDM Front engine RWD chassis
I haven’t seen a TST in years. This one just popped up in my rotation for some reason. About the BMW Z 1, I was eating in a beef eaters in Portsmouth UK on last Friday night. I flew in from Indianapolis to attend the Goodwood members meeting for the weekend. there’s a guy there at Table not far from me. I heard talking about cars. I introduced myself. And he was showing me his Z1 where he had to take the door apart to fix the motor mechanism, which is just kind of like a V belt inside.
His name was Darren He’s got Ferrari some race, cars and things. And I bumped into him at the members meeting.
But the Z 1 is only I think one of two cars that the door goes in to part of the body. I think the Kaiser car had adore that slid forward into the front fender.
TFW it's picture day at school and another kid is wearing the same hoodie you're wearing
Supercharged mini engine into a BMW 2002 considered in family?
S54 in an e39. The inline it never got plus the 6 cylinders can fit rack and pinion
No blowoff valve sounds mapped to boost? 😅
My dream swap would be a 1LR in a GT86.
2001 Integra Type R with GT3 4.0L
VW Bug with AMG One powertrain
Hummer H2 with base Prius engine
Kia Soul with V12 from 812 Superfast
OG Prius with C8 E-Ray powertrain
Matt Please the mic on the ads holy shit, blows my ear drums out when I use my air pods.
Just make the ads with the same mic you make the podcast with please.
MK4 Golf with the entirety of the current Audi RS3 drivetrain 👍👍 Maybe try and swap some of that interior in too 😈
Just put a vw logo on the Audi and call it a day
There is a shop that does this to MQB chassis VWs. Innovative motorsports. They built a 600hp Golf wagon Alltrack... its the best sleeper. They build the 5-cylinder up to 1000+ hp too, so the skies the limit.
For engine swaps, I'd want ridiculous things like an E9 racecar with a Novi V8, an Alfa 33 Stradale V8 in a Javelin AMX, or a Miller 91 straight 8 in a '53 Buick
Take the BLUE PILL. :)
Based on price alone this makes a great case for an i30n or i20n for that matter.
PSI did an s54 in an e36 for a customer…this sounded like the move.
My engine swap would be M156 in the W206 c63 😅
Woody's @ MRY is the best kept secret for locals!
Mercedes M119 in a Citroen DS was the first that came to mind for me
72 Saab Sonett swapped with a Motus V4 baby block.
Just watched Carmudgeon's episode about this car, looking forward to your opinion on it as well. My main takeaway from their discussion was, "who is this car for?" and I tend to agree. It seems capable, feature-rich, and decent construction, but it doesn't have a market segment to fit into. Closest competitors are Tesla Model Y and performance ICE crossovers like the Tonale/Stelvio QF, but that isn't exactly a hot market segment. Seems like Hyundai is chasing diminishing returns in that segment, just like they did with the Veloster N in the hot-hatch segment.
Going off of your summary, my first immediate response to the question "who is this car for?" is "Who cares???" Performance cars are already considered niche due to them being low volume compared to their mass-market counterparts, and actual performance-oriented EVs are even more niche still. It would be naive of us to assume Hyundai is trying to set sales records, based on price sensitivity alone, never mind what the final product is. Rather, best to consider this a statement vehicle that's both a reflection of Hyundai's engineering ability and also a challenge to the rest of the industry that an EV performance standard has been set. Either you're better than this or you're not.
TL;DR: it's a fun toy, don't overthink it, and be glad that it exists.
@@JDubbs07 "It's a fun toy" is not something that most people will say about a $65,000 vehicle. I get that this channel has a slightly more affluent audience than most of youtube, but if that's what you consider a toy, you really need a reality check.
MOST people cannot buy a car for it's toy-like qualities, or specifically, it's track performance. MOST people need it to ride well on surface streets, and have decent range, and do the things that other cars can do. We're not discussing a Chiron, where it's basically assumed that it'll be the 5th or 10th car in the garage. This is a consumer vehicle.
@@redlion145 I've already addressed your reply in my first comment. Again, this is clearly a niche product. Niche products are not made for most people. As mentioned, this is an expensive product. Expensive products are not made for most people. The general consumer is more than welcome to shop Hyundai's more affordable EV options, which includes the base Ioniq 5. And, we already know that Hyundai Motor Group are working on more affordable options by way of their product roadmap.
You should really get away from the notion that all things must be within the reach of all persons. Halo/Aspirational/Recreational products exist. This is not a new reality.
@@redlion145 additionally, please let me know where else one can buy a brand new 641hp vehicle, from the factory, for under $70k, and how many of those options exist.
@@JDubbs07 Regarding this model being niche and the lack of competitors, that's exactly my point. Who is buying a track focused, crossover EV? I'm not saying every car should work (or be attainable) for every individual; I'm saying I can't figure which individuals will actually put money down on one of these, rather than just say how awesome it is on the internet. There aren't many factory competitors in this space, and that lack of competition should tell us something about how poorly this segment sells. It's too expensive for mass market, not expensive enough for collectable, halo or aspirational cars. No one wants to take a huge depreciation hit on a Hyundai.
There are some competitors though, if we're holding to the side body style and drivetrain and just focusing on price and power. Model X has a competitor trim, but that's about $10k more expensive. A Dodge Hellcat is fairly close as well. The Dodge Ramcharger is also supposed to MSRP between $60-70k, and it will have approx. 660 HP. The Rivian R1T has a 661 HP trim for about 80k. I'd argue that most of those models are worth the price premium over the Ioniq because of how much more car you get for the money. Was I supposed to not be able to find any cars or something?
I think it's disingenuous to put a price limit for your comparison, but I tried to keep to the budget anyway. If you were to compare, say, the fit and finish of the Hyundai to a Rivian, I think everyone would see where the extra 10-15k went. It's not like horsepower is the only thing your money is buying.
I wonder if there is tech that would allow the driver to switch the resources of an EV like this from 600 hp and 220 miles of range to say, 200hp and 300 miles of range. Or even for a track day situation at a place with no fast chargers, let me switch to 300 hp and get 2 sessions before I have to charge. But really for the real world practicality, it would be great if you could have a "commuter mode" where you get a fraction of the HP, but much more range.
Should have Tony Angelo on to talk sbout his aston v12 swap into a fox body
My gf just picked up a relatively base Ioniq5 and i think its hilarious how common this car is now that I've been around this one for a few days. Hyundai are selling people on the fact they offer 2 year free charging and a 10k discount. But they definitely fail to mention just how shit the charging infrastructure is currently. With only having free charging through electrify America, it's basically a 30-45 minute wait at charging stations in a que of other ioniq5s. It feels silly almost how bad the infrastructure is for charge stations. Looking on the electrify America app, it just shows a giant notice on the mail "all chargers in use" across the entire map. I definitely completely understand the frustration you guys have been talking about over the past years of ownership of the Mach-E.
How about an MR2 Spyder swapped with a TT RS 5cyl?!!
I want to put a Pratt and Whitney Wasp Major in an Astro.
I doubt AWDBias will read the comments, but he should really consider a manual SJ forester instead of the XT. Not as fast but arguably much more fun and it’s not DI like the XT so no walnut blasting needs among other things.
@TheSmokingTirePodcast Asking the important questions... Tarpy's Roadhouse or Woody's at the airport in Monterey?
Man a smaller, lighter, lower hp version of this would rock.
Dude you guys need some more inspiration for dream swaps! Mine is a Mercedes M120 V12 with ZF 6 speed into a Alpha 1 GTO Ferrari replica which uses a donor Datsun 240Z. The best part is some chick has successfully done the swap on a 240 so it's definitely possible. Imagine Pagani Zonda V12 sounds coming out of a 250 GTO all done for under $150k.
Local $15k markup on the 5 N in San Francisco. $93k out the door; lease offers $37k residual @ 36 mos. And all it takes is a Taycan software update to make you upside down AND foolish
I have a 10 minute commute (can't do transit) so an EV makes wild sense for me, but I have refused until now becuase it means I'd be stuck with an EV experience for all of the rest of the time I drive. This would do it for me. I need something that is fun to drive at any speed, since I don't spend that much time at high speed.
997 gt3rs 3.8 into the 987 spyder. should be reasonably straight forward re porche electronics (they are in the same generation). same for the 991.2 gt3 manual powertrain into the 981 spyder.
s1000r engine and gearbox into a super lightened bmw 2002.
F12 engine into the 458 spyder (ideally with a gated manual)
I have a wierd one , i want a 90s mercedes 2 door like a 560 or e class with a nasty 2jzgte built to be strong and reliable for 500ish hp , or a s15 silvia with a dodge nascar engine like daigo saito
We were promised the tech for changing the sound of a car with no ice cancelling g the stock motor and replacing it with different engine notes, 30 years ago. I’ve been waiting since. It was on a early Discovery channel show called Beyond 2000. It was installed on an economy gas powered car and could make it sound like a f1 car or a v8 and others.
I’m disappointed it took this long and it will only be on EV’s
Fuck yeah Hyundai!