The Reasons Why Joe Montana is The Real GOAT Quarterback
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2023
- Join us as we dive deep into the age-old debate of who deserves the title of the greatest quarterback of all time, Joe Montana or Tom Brady! In this captivating analysis, we present a compelling case for why Joe Montana reigns supreme. From his clutch performances to his impeccable leadership skills, we explore the key factors that set Montana apart and solidify his status as the epitome of quarterback excellence. Grab a seat, buckle up, and let's settle the GOAT debate once and for all!
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When asked how many TD’s Joe would throw in today’s NFL Joe said “ Me? What about Danny?” As in Dan Marino
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Dan Marino would have 10 TDs per game easy.
@@firminorules 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@firminorulesMontana smoke Dan Marino in the Superbowl back in the 80s
@user-cs6up8eq7s The 49ers smoked the Dolphins in the Super Bowl in the 80s.
You lost me when you said Adam vinataro 😂
Lol, yep. What kinda AI crap is this? I do think Montana is the best QB I’ve ever seen (though Mahomes is right there as well), but I don’t need a computer to tell me that🤣
If you'd stayed, you'd have heard him call Bengals old QB Boomer... Ess-ee-ah-son
@@krell2130 lol.
What about es-ee-yah-son
He said it twice!
Montana played in the toughest era in football when the QBs use to get hit well after the play was over.
Fact
Nope. It was brutal in the 30's, 40's and 50's. Hell they didnt even have face masks for christ sake
@@mk8530 My bad, but very true. But players have evolved since the 30's 40's and 50's into the physical specimens that they are today as well as the 80's and 90's when the rules regarding quarterback hits were a lot different. No helmuts back in those times is just crazy. I wonder how many football related deaths or impairments occurred during the old days and I'm sure that played a major role in stiffening up the safety standards. Actually, I recall now that that's why they upgraded the protective equipment. Those guys were beasts.
@@mk8530 by that rationale, these guys playing today are ultra pussies.. lmao
Brady would be in an ambulance
You said Brady has 5 rings, but he actually has 7
He don’t know wtf he’s talking about
He said 6 but the point stands.
7>4
@@ajfanotreally2523he said he has 6, then later on he said he’s got 5
It’s clickbait, clout chasing. I don’t think the author watches football.
Belicheat and the Cheatriots cheated to get most of Brady's rings. And so did Tom Brady. So, most of those rings don't count. My Tiger Kung Fu...is better than yours...I don't think you're good enough...to avenge your master...
No offense, but this guy lost me when he said Brady has won six Super Bowls and when he mispronounced Adam Vinatieri‘s last name. I can’t watch anymore after that.
I think it might be AI generated. The narration was definitely an AI voice, and I think maybe the content too. Later in the video, it said that Brady only had one more ring than Montana. So Brady went from 6 rings to 5. It also butchered the pronunciation of Boomer Esiason's name.
@@Jayhawker2000 Wow, I didn’t even think of that. That would make sense, and now I might have to go ahead and watch the rest just to see how badly they butchered “Esiason”.😄
Probably AI.
@@Jayhawker2000 rock chawk
Quarterbacks are so protected by rules today compared to back then. If Montana never got injured, he would have at least another 3 or 4 super bowls with the niners
Wrong
He was 4-3 in Conference Championship Games . . . AND HE ALWAYS HAD TOP-NOTCH RECEIVERS!!!
scottx4813, You forgot to consider that the rules also protected the OPPOSING QBs like Peyton Manning whom Brady had to face almost every season in the playoffs. The same goes for the rules in Montana's era also affecting BigBad Jeff Hostettler that Joe Montana had to beat in his playoff runs.
Montana was 4-3 in Conference Championship Games! Brady won as many Super Bowls as Montana appeared in the Conference Championship Game . . . he HAD his chances; he just fell short!!!!
If, if, IF... my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.
How long did it take Bradshaw to get 4 rings? Granted he arguably along for the ride. Definitely the greatest dominating defense that lasted six seasons.
The Niners had an amazing defense during Montana's time. Everyone seems to forget that, but they had superstars like Lott and Haley
@@enigma9971 as good as that defense was, Montana had his moments. He was really good at football. As good as those defenses were he lead those last minute drives to beat Cincinnati twice. He was driving that bus. And he doesn't seem to be a super likable person. But he was excellent at football. Oh yeah. His offensive line was a bunch of aliens. They were huge and intimidating. That's what I remember most in the game vs Dallas with
The catch.
That his offensive line made me the Dallas defensive line look like children. They were so huge. Seriously. I saw it broadcast original. They were amazing. Secure pocket for sure.
Bradshaw did it in 6 years. he was 4-0 in the SB in 6 years and was followed by Joe who achieved the same thing. But like I said before in terms of championships, volume supersedes efficiency and anyone who thinks different is a failure. Brady is the GOAT. 4-0 is not better than 7-10 lol If you think it is then you need to go back to grade school.
@@babel-fishai I don't believe longevity is more important than brilliance and mastery. I consider Isaiah Thomas's bad boys pistons the finest championship team of my viewing experience. They were only the best for three years. Brady was outstanding for most of his Superbowl games. Not all. Like Terry Bradshaw had a couple of good games but the defense was the feature. Curt Warner taking a second team to the Superbowl is more impressive to me than Troy aikmen riding Emmett Smith to three. Emmet Smith's three Superbowls do impress me as much as Russ Grimm's three Superbowls.
We give quarterbacks a lot of credit. Russ Grimm's hogs took three different quarterbacks to Superbowl wins. That I find second behind Brady taking whole different rosters in New England and then a whole different team that he built with just networking and magnetism to Superbowl wins. It's not the seven total. It's how he got to 7 that I find amazing. And yes even the losses. I think Bruce Smith and Thurman Thomas getting to 4 Superbowls is more impressive than Brett favre taking credit for Desmond Howard winning one. I do think Desmond Howard with Reggie White is more impressive than Brett favre for that Superbowl. Like the Tampa Bay defense was more impressive than Brady in that Superbowl but Brady did recruit most of those guys which to me is more impressive than his play on the field. Brady is the goat of all goats for building that team.
this is a really stupid way to look at things lol yeah, I mean he was really good in one game but ho hum in another game and it was only because of the defense that they won it. Well, newsflash. It is a TEAM SPORT the fact that 1 player played in all of those games with all of those different rosters simply means that this player was a part of that team and was on the roster for 10 championship level teams and was on the roster for 7 championship winning teams. It realyl wouldn't matter if he was a punter, or punt returner or whatever lol But as it stands he is in the most high profile of any football position which is the QB slot. The QB is more often than not a significant contributor or detractor to any team. It doesn't matter if he threw 7 interceptions or if he threw none. It doesn't matter if he had 400 passing yards or 80. It doesnt matter if he went 16-17 in passes or 1-12. none of that matters. When it comes to championships for team sports it takes the whole team and the fact that he was a significant contributor to his team that many times and even came back from a 27-3 deficit to mount the largest comeback in SB history is amazing.
When it comes to champions, volume supersedes efficiency and anyone who thinks different doesn't have the mindset of a champion. The winners focus on winning and the losers focus on the winners. That's the truth and that's what separates the greats from the others. The wheat from the chaff. the legends from the food for the fire. lol @@mandelharvey3429
You lost me when you said Tom Brady had 6 Super Bowl wins lol. 2:25
Thank you. Thats just an embarrassing mistake when making a controversial video like this. Like dude, cmon
I like how he tries to make it out that Brady did it only because he had all this help and Joe did it all by himself. Why there was a full team on the other side of the ball every time Joe played and he did it all by himself. He hiked the ball, he dropped back, he threw the pass, he went and ran really fast and then caught it too and then he even ran and scaored TD's and he kicked the extra points and he even did the special teams. Dude was amazing. He's like the equivalent of John The Baptist of Football lol @@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear
Die hard cowboy fan here. Joe Montana is the best ever. His time at KC proved it.
and brady joining a 7-9 bucs team for a super bowl doesnt? consistency is not a thing in your argument
@@LordBurgerthat bucs team was loaded at every position other than QB
@@Glc0077…..yea it was an he still added gronk an AB.
no different then manning going to a loaded broncos team. Both didn’t have to do much to win.
Remember that Monday night classic Joe and John had at mile high Stadium. Joe is the GOAT
@@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212 Yes, I remember it. Wow what a long time ago. A great low scoring game. I agree.
Well, I still say that if the hitting the quarterback rules were the same when players like Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman and Steve Young played as those rules are now, who knows how many more rings those guys would have. I heard Steve Young say once on Monday Night Football: "All I'm saying is, I just wish the quarterback rules were the same when I played like they are today". Then, on an HBO Sports program with Dan Marino and Boomer Esiason, I heard Boomer say: "If the rules for hitting quarterbacks were the same when we played like they are now, me and Dan could have played another 11, 12 years". And then I saw an interview with the great Lawrence Taylor, and he said: "I wouldn't be able to hit players today the way I could back when I played. That's one of the reasons that quarterbacks can play so long now days". And all of these players played in what they called "The School of Hard Knocks", so they all know what they're talking about. So, unless you're a person who actually played in this league, you can't dispute what any of them have said.
Back in the 70s and 80s it was easy for teams to hold and keep a competitive advantage for their team for decades. With no salary cap and less free agency, the 49ers pretty much enjoyed being stacked as a team with a stable nucleus that kept adding pieces for entire decades. Tom Brady had to constantly adjust to new receivers, etc. on his teams. Tom Brady didn't have the luxury of having a Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, etc.
@@programmingwithmesh1285 But you still have to remember that he still had help and advantage with those quarterback rule changes just like Laurence Taylor and all the others have said. None of those players had that luxury.
@@LeviAWilson If you are comparing their win-loss records then it makes no difference because the lax rules in the 80s meant the Montana's 49ers all-star all-pro defense could slaughter the opposing QB's thus making it easier for Montana to win those games. Montana had one of the deadliest safeties on HIS team (Ronnie Lott). Montana benefitted from having Ronnie Lott being allowed to massacre the opposing teams QBs and Receivers and Running Backs. This helped Montana gain an advantage from a win-loss standpoint. Meanwhile, Brady's teammates were not allowed to lay a finger on Peyton Manning, so Peyton Manning lit up the Patriots after the rule change. The rule change actually made it tougher for Brady to beat Manning. Notice how before the rule change on DBs being allowed to touch WRs Brady owned Manning, but then the NFL changed the rules so the Patriot DBs got flagged for even breathing on Marvin Harrison, so Marvin Harrison scored like crazy on the Patriots after that rule change. Do you not even see the TWO sides of things??? You are only focusing on ONE side and ignoring the other side that has the opposite effect.
@@programmingwithmesh1285 Hay, take it up with Lawrence Taylor, Steve Young, Dan Marino, Boomer Esiason and several other major football players who have all said that. They know what they're talking about because they played the game and they all said it, not me, I'm just agreeing with them.
Montana had Jerry Rice . 10 SB's for TB 7 wins. Montana only 4 SB's end of discussion.
You didn't mention the most important detail.. rules changes
most important details is superbowl wins
@@9999deoxys Brady was the one who instituted those changes. Who do you think most benefited?
@@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212Brady Won championships through 3 different rule changes it didn't matter....and if they helped QB's so much why was he the only one winning? 😂
Numbers don’t lie
Love that you touched on tainted games and reliability on the oppositions mistakes
Very accurate I saw every game joe Montana played early ones live
Also saw Tom Brady’s via tv you make a very accurate point
Well done sir!
Bradshaw is the definitive ‘system qb’…. that’s why he never gets any respect
Man, it's painful to hear someone mispronounce someone's name like that. Not how you say Boomers name.
I absolutely love Montana, but this video has so much wrong with it.
Almost everything he says about Montana you can just as easily say about Brady LOL
The Seattle goal line pass is the single stupidest decision made in sports history
The real argument you could make is the controversal spygate, deflategate, and the tuck rule. Would he even have those superbowls without cheating?
Joe Montana had no salary cap and always had a squad while Brady had to carry a 31st ranked defense to a Super Bowl at one point 😂
Helmet to helmet hits on QBs weren't legal during Brady's playing days
Brady also had a coach who didn't mind cheating
@@chrisspearline767 how he cheat ?
@@bigglilwayne7050 49ers won a Super Bowl without joe montana 😂😂😂
@@StopBeingFat24 Brady
G.O.A.T. Greatest football player of all time, Jerry Rice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FLASH 80
Top 5 QB’s for me. You can put them in order of how much they ment to the team they played with and their individual skills that really helped their team. Those five QB’s might not have been as successful if they played on another team. So, the five QB’s I have in random order are: Brett Farve, Dan Merino, Tom Brady, Joe Montana and John Elway. They all set records in their time.
Peyton manning and rothlesburger even tho he wasn’t that good but he was good for his team
Wtf is boomers last name 😂😂 ohhhhhhthank you that was fn great.
Great Video man
It was a pretty bad video. He/it mispronounced names and couldn't decide whether Brady won 5 or 6 Super Bowls (he actually won 7). The voice narration was definitely AI generated. I'm not sure whether the content was AI generated or if a human created the script. If it's the former, then it would be a pretty impressive video for an artificial intelligence. It would mean AI has now advanced to the point where it can convincingly impersonate a human idiot.
Hard to argue with Brady’s resume but Joe did it in a much tougher era of defense where QBs were not protected like they are today and Montana took an absolute beating
Excellent assessment! Joe was more athletic, played during a time when quarterbacks were destroyed every other play, and made extremely difficult passes look easy. Watch a highlight reel of Brady and Joe back to back and you'll see what I mean. Joe was capable of putting incredibly difficult passes right on the money. And carried a defeated 49er team on his back to victory time and time again. To me Joe is still the GOAT.
2 minutes to go. Down by 5. On your own 20.In their prime, you have Montana and Brady on your sideline. I'm going Montana every time. Mr.Clutch. The Giants had Brady's number.
You forget the Giants had Montanas # also
If Im down 28-3 its brady
Brady is much better,,,,Montana is overrated. Even lowly Steve Young won a super bowl with the 9ers
@9999deoxys "lowly" Steve Young... yeah you have no clue what your talking about. And Montana overrated? I gaurantee your a kid or teenager and all you've seen are clips. You've never watched those game's as they happened. Because if you did you'd know Montana is FAR from overrated and Steve Young isn't "lowly" either 😂. And your other comment... a "measly" 4 Superbowls lol. He won those 4 in only 9 years buddy. That's less than a decade. We get it, your a Brady fanboy. But be realistic and give the other greats their just due. You just sound like either an uneducated fan that's never watched Montanas or Youngs games... or you just ride Brady a little too much. The only thing Brady has on Montana is longevity.
@@9999deoxys If I am not mistaken, when Steve Young retired he had the Highest Career Passer Rating and is still in the top 20 all time, also holds the record for most touchdowns in the Super Bowl with 6. Pretty sure Montana was screwed out of at least 2 rings while at KC when Marty decided Marcus Allen was going to get 60 carries a game in the AFC championship...twice.
The tuck rule playoff game is the reason why Tom went to his first SB.
Yep, the league/refs cheated for the Pats. It was definitely a fumble.
@@keysersoze5920Was a rule back then that was called correctly. Was called before that, and after that. Cry.
@@tamezzodiac2862 Excuses, excuses, excuses for a cheating team. It was a fumble, just ask Ray Lewis.
@@keysersoze5920 The excuse is claiming it was cheating, even though it literally was a rule. I'm not even a patriots fan lmao, it's just that was the rule.
@@tamezzodiac2862 It was clearly a fumble, period, hence the rule did not apply nor is it in the NFL rule book anymore. And the Pats are notorious cheaters.
Could you imagine how much more insane Montana's numbers would be if he played with the way the quarterback is protected now?
If you see montanas adjusted playoff stats cuz of the era it is wild how clutch he was blowing everyone away including brady just a james bond type of main character
Imagine Montana with the QB protection rules in place now. I've always said it's Montana but I understand the argument for Brady. But it is Montana.
Imagine Montana in the salary cap era. If you split Brady’s career in half each TB either competes with or surpasses JM, and that’s with an ever changing team, across multiple decades. You can’t just say “Well if they played back then,” because they DIDN’T play back then, and we have no idea what’d happen if you transplanted a quarterback into a different era. All we can know is how they performed in the era that they played, as opposed to their peers. Tom Brady was not the only QB benefitting from the new rules, and yet nobody has even come close to doing what he’s done in the time frame that he played.
No, it's John Elway. Not really even close.
This is a Brady infiltration op...
Adam Vinaigrette makes this glow
Who?
How many rings does Brady have especially when the man isn't even a very good athlete? That right there is hard work, and literal plot armor; something GOATs tend to have.
2 takeaways: missed reason # 1. Rule changes. In Montana’s day, anything goes on defence. Hits he absorbed would be illegal know. The secondary could do anything. If Jack Lambert said QB’s wore skirts in the 1970’s I couldn’t imagine his take on QB rules today.
#2. Please stop comparing Brock Purdy to Joe. As a die hard SF fan, that’s just stupid.
😂😂😂😂they've all conceded to Brady...there's no deep dive needed, Joe said it, Peyton said it, Rodgers said it, this debate has been dead for like 5 years now
They were all being nice. How can anyone be better than the older players when you are not allowed to sack the quarterback anymore or tackle a wide receiver. Baby ball nowadays. Tom Brady is the king of sissy ball.
Nope, you couldn't have seen Joe Cool.
@@firminorulestoday is far more skilled players than ever and it’s not even close
@@Kenny-zv4pp ur on fentanyl laced crack
Just like the LeBron vs. Jordan debate?
Montana was a good quarterback, with the best co stars - Jerry rice , John Taylor, Roger Craig.
STOP IT
Brady played with more talent (Moss, Gronk, Revis, Welker, Evans, McGinest, Law, Seymour, Dillon, Harrison, Chandler Jones, Bruschi, Wilfork, Gilmore, David, Vinatieri, Slater) and more top 10 defenses than anybody (19) lmaooooo like why do we ignore this
@@TheRealRickyShow Tom never won a Super Bowl with an All pro wideout at the patriots. Lol Montana literally had the greatest wr of all time.
@@TheRealRickyShowthat talent wasn’t consistent Gronk injured a shitton Moss was there for what 2 years and welker dropped a catch in the SB as for evans he was at the end everyone agrees Tom was making shit happen with nobody’s for what a 10-12 year stretch even did 28-3 without Gronk
@@TheRealRickyShowthe defense don’t mean anything unless you got a top 10 offense too Tom funded the defense for 20 years no other QBs did so and he carried the defense even they admitted it be it clutch play or great games in the playoffs not to mention Joe Played with the Number 1 Defense and offense in a time with no salary cap or with the best Head Coach at the time and Ronnie Lott top 2 Safety and Steve young played and won a SB
@@TheRealRickyShowbrady played with moss for one season. gronk is the only receiver you can statistically make an argument for being an elite receiver no matter who he played for, and gronk was only an above avg receiver. hes the GOAT TE because hes also an elite blocker
It’s too difficult for a one on one comparison. You can say QB’s took more shots in the era of Montana, but you can also say that players didn’t move around nearly as much in that era either, which gave Montana a huge advantage.
Look at the sheer volume of player turnover Brady led to 10 Superbowls.
Exactly what I’ve always thought. Joe was just better. Didn’t reallize Brady’s numbers were that bad but I did always wonder about Brady’s Superbowl wins, especially Seattle.
What about his game against Seattle? That was one of the most impressive qb performances in Super Bowl history.
Why u getting bradys ring count wrong so many times
Montana not one interception in the Superbowl not one
“He was carried to 4 of his superbowls” then proceeds to tell us how each one of those 4 teams made costly mistakes and Tom capitalized
Tom Brady. I'm not a Patriots fan either. But when you win 7 Superbowls and all of the other things he has done record wise and did it with 2 different teams. Montana played on 2 teams and couldn't win it on both teams. Montana is good no doubt.
The main reason is Joe Montana was never involved in a cheating scandal. Tom Brady was involved in two.
Also Joe kinda did cheat or was
Proxy to it when Jerry Rice admitted to using stickum.
@@williamsweeney3215 It's not a cheat if everyone is doing it, and everybody was doing it, and thats on Jerry anyway, but I really don't remember Jerry with stickem all over him ever, he was a pretty clean cut dude, and you can mostly tell who was gluing, and who wasn't gluing. It was literally all over them there was no hiding the stuff.
@@mikehunt40he admitted to using it and every team has cheated lots of spy gates out there the nfl made a example out of the Patriots but all teams did it . They didn’t invent the tactics it has been used for ever . Can we at least agree the dude in the video has no idea what he talking about . Brady has 7 rings and didn’t have the talent around him that montana had. Brady had 2 or 3 hall of fame carears 😂 but i mean of your a 49ers fan I understand wanting to goat him but i mean sorry theres only one goat and its tom brady. Funny how bias he was like when tom 1 it was the other team gifting him the wins lol joe did it he earned it 😂
@@mikehunt40”it’s not a cheat if everyone is doing it”
Okay, then why are you trying to say Brady cheated? Spygate was being done all over the league by every team, and everyone knows how stupid deflategate was. Brady’s cheating allegations are so stupid it’s actually funny that you’re trying to use them in an argument
@@Kira-zi1qp nobody was hiding in ductwork, but the patriots. Figures a pats fan would try defend scumbags.
01. Most Super Bowl Appearances: Brady
02. Most Super Bowl Wins: Brady
03. Most Conference Championship Appearances: Brady
04. Most Conference Championships: Brady
05. Most Division Titles: Brady
06. Most Passing Touchdowns: Brady
07. Most Passing Yards: Brady
08. Most Pass Attempts: Brady
09. Most Pass Completions: Brady
10. Longevity: Brady
The stats speak for themselves!
So does the cheating.
@@keysersoze5920 "Deflate Gate" has already been debunked. Isn't it odd that the Patriots scored MORE in the second half of the game against the Colts???
@@dacryptkeeper6836 LOL! NO way a qb does not know to what pressure “his balls” are inflated to. Also, why did Brady panic?
@@keysersoze5920 I know it's hard for you to accept that Montana is now 2nd to Brady; hell, I was a BIG Montana fan too! But Montana NEVER had the revolving door of teammates that Brady did, and he NEVER had to play within the "salary caps" that teams do today. Anybody who diminishes the greatness of one, diminishes the greatness of the other!
@@dacryptkeeper6836 LOL! Unitas.
Brady is below Montana for these simple reasons - 1) he didn't even deserve to BE in the super bowl against the Rams and got there due to the refs clearly rigging it against the raiders and THEN they rigged the super bowl even (btw EVERYBODY knows the tuck rule game was a rig job) 2) It's a documented fact that the patriots' knew their opponents' signals in their first three super bowl wins 3) the super bowl vs the chiefs was rigged by the refs and the bucs shouldn't have even made the playoffs that year and only did due to a rigged ball placement in a game that decided the division for them; God knows how many other rigged games the pats have been handed; 4) based on rigging and cheating alone, tom brady does not deserve at least four of his super bowls and it STILL took him 20 years to win the 3 that he MIGHT have deserved credit for winning 5) the seahawks actually goofed away one super bowl and he only won due to their gaffe 6) If the QB protection rules were the same, montana would've played longer and probably would've completed the giants game to complete the 3-peat in 1990 for a fifth super bowl in a MERE decade, god knows how many other super bowls he would've won. Joe Montana is the GOAT!
He has more rings than any football team in the history of the n f l.
🤡
Yup
Yea, all the while never really being tackled because the NFL is soft, baby, sissy ball these days. Tom Brady not tough enough to play when Montana played. Montana actually got sacked for real. Defensive players today 'pull out" of tackles so they don't get a flag. Sissy ball garbage modern day NFL.
@firminorules yup..and tom brady is the best for 20 years
@@firminorules 😢awww crying about being soft? How ironic.
The teams brady played on anybody could’ve won on honestly and always had arguably one of the top 3 defenses in the league
Joe didn’t play with under inflated balls/ didn’t have the coaching staff record the other teams plays/ and didn’t have the refs shilling for him.
joe had the greatest offensive biased coach of all time. and deflategate was a one time thing that was actually proven incorrect in court (air temperature expansion physics lined up perfectly with the PSI). the only other thing was spygate, which was also a one time thing
Also spygate was where they filmed not they couldn’t. Brady is the goat cuz he’s been to 10 bowls 7 wins all the qb records.
@@williamsweeney3215They just had 40 admit to that shit
@@williamsweeney3215spygate wasn’t even banned until 2006 people tend to forget that part of it
Joe also benefited not losing players to free agency
Montana was the man..
Let's see Brady has more playoff wins, Brady has more rings, Brady has super bowl records Brady is goat
@@chriswalls5831 Brady does for sure but Montana has NO Cheating allegations..Montana played in an Era where the rules didn't Cater to the offense..I hate SF but to me Montana will ALWAYS be the true 🐐🐐
@@beastunleashed8839 Dude, I used to pick up local 49ers media. During all that DeflateGate nonsense, the 49er players were on record on local media bragging/laughing at how the 49ers got away with lots of cheating, e.g. Jerry Rice wore stick em, their linemen wore PAM on their jerseys to make them slick, their groundskeeper intentionally made certain spots of Candlestick Park slippery so that only the 49ers knew where the slippery parts were, etc. etc.
Montana was the stat man...not the team player
@@beastunleashed8839 If you refer to deflategate you have to read Mike Florio article on the cover up the NFL performed on the data on ball pressure they collected on during the following year of the scandal.
I always said that even tho Marino is my favorite!
5 of those years he had a hall-of-famer chasing him. Walsh wasn't afraid to pull him so he had to play at another level. Which is why he played so cool under pressure.
Zero chance Brady would have survived Montana's era.
How does anybody know that?
@Stephen-to7jx Because the rules of today are made for sissies and the NFL is soft garbage. So, Tom, would not have been tough enough to survive back then. He is used to DE "pulling up" so as not to hurt him and get a flag. The NFL is laughable sissy ball now with soft babies including Tom Brady. Sissy.
Facts they would have to ban him from playing for averaging 1000 passing yards per game
Brady played in the era with the fastest most dangerous defensive teams what are you talking about! These dudes now days are 276 pounds and fast as could be the old players wasn’t on the level of these guys now it’s so obvious
Yes Joe Montana is absolutely the G.O.A.T.
Not only all those reasons you stated, but Unstoppable Joe played in an era when they did not treat QBs like fine porcelain dolls that were not to be touched. If Brady had played in Joe's era, they would has disassembled him.
Different era of the game. These GOAT debates are always interesting; its like comparing Ali to Tyson or Pele to Messi.
So when Montana comes back from a single score it’s his greatness. When Brady makes the greatest comeback of all time it was gifted to him. Got it.
Not at all.
Did u forget his pick 6 in that game, ?
28-3 Atlanta
@@mk8530 thanks to Brady, ( pick6)
Saw the heading and was like nope… and I’m a 49rs fan
Man, it's kind of a silly debate. Marino, Montana, Brady, Elway, Young, Manning, Mahomes. It's all personal preference, and what era grabbed you first. You can crack out any stat and make your case. Surgery, training, and sports medicine, not to mention equipment and grounds have come a long way since Montana's era. Also, one observation I will make, is while Montana got hit off the ball more than Brady. Defensive lines are certainly quicker than they were in Joes day. While Brady wasn't getting hit as hard, he certainly had a lot less time on the ball, moreover, he also has a lot of guys coming in arms high blocking his pass angles. So, it kind of balances itself out. Anyhoot, I wouldn't argue with anyone being a fan of any of the above. My GOAT is a bloke by the name of Warren Moon. What a clean passer of the ball, I think he was just as good as Marino. Shame about the teams they were both on, class acts.
They are definitely 1-2 and there’s no debate about that. If Mahomes stays healthy he’ll be too 3 most likely. Though I’m awfully curious how he’s gonna look after Kelce retires.
You realize the refs always help mahomes out
mahomes isnt close to top 5 and wont be for next 5 years
@@gettinggains1364 ahhh the old “because of the refs” argument. Old as sports itself.
@@harisshah8559 guess you can’t read. 🤷♂️
What did Yoda tell a ghostly Obi Wan Kenobi when the old man said about Skywalker "that boy is our only hope" Yoda replied "there is another" check out my comment under newest and you'll see what I mean....
Hearing about Montana's 4 rings in 9 years and Brady's 7 total rings going 7 and 3 in superbowls appearing in 10 total over 22 years. But neither on is the GOAT. There is one man who did better than both. His name is Otto Graham, playing for the Cleveland Browns.
Graham played Quarterback for 10 seasons. The first 4 in the All American Football League, a professional league based in the USA. It league lasted for 4 years. The Browns with Graham at the helm won all 4 championships.
Then after the league went belly up, the NFL brought over a few teams to join the NFL. This included the Clevland Browns. They promptly kicked the NFL's ass and won the championship their first year in the league.
For the record that's 5 years and 5 championships.
The following 3 years they made the championship game each year but had a 3 game losing streak . So now we are 5 and 3.
8 years on existence. Appeared in all 8 championship gales, going 5 and 3.
The final two years of his career they again appeared in both games this time he won both.
So the Cleveland Btowns in their first 10 years of existence with Graham at quarterback appeared in all 10 championships winning 7 losing 3. 7 and 3.....Championships people!...A few may call these Titles. Brady won 7 and lost 3 out-of 10 played over a career spanning not 10 but 22 years. Joe went 4 and 0 in nine years
He is awesome my favorite qb growing up and I love the argument between him and Brady. But he ran out of time to beat Grahams record.
So two more points I might be blasted on. Some may say thst the AAFL was an inferior league. My arguement is that the league was indeed a professional league and they indeed had contracts and got paid to play. But there were less teams playing professionally back then as there were in Montana and Brady eras. So the best players in the country were playing professional football against the best players in the country. Let's not forget the NFL absorbed 3 of those AAFL teams without lall the fanfare thst came about before the AFL/NFL merger later on. The talk of offering league did not exist.. Plus Cleveland won the first one they played in the NFL and appeared in their first 5 going 3 and 2.
Last argument might be style of play was different. I don't have the stats in front of me but in Grahams last game his last championship win he passed for around 298 yards no picks threw for 2 to and rushed for 2 tds . Numbers equal to today's standards of greatness.
Then he mercifully let the NFL off the hook and retired.
I rest my case.....your all wrong and living in an alternate universe or something. Otto Graham is the GOAT. He is the greatest quarterback of all-time .
If anyone out there knows anything about history of professional football in the United States would have easily been able to recite this in their comments.
Oh by the way......before signing with the Clevland Browns ....Otto Graham won a NBA Championship with the Rochester Royals for all you hoop fans. Vikings coach Bud Grant an NFL legend also won an NBAX championship with the Minneapolis Lakers before coaching in the Canadian and NFL football leagues. So I'm not favoring Graham in the multiparty category here.
Montana Awsome! Brady longevity and a proven winner ( withba little help and turn your cheek away from the scandals)
Graham beats em all....
Joe Montana. Pure Genius and pure Natural Ability.
Brady wouldn't survive the hard hits of Montana's Era of football. The guys late hit quarterbacks every play almost compared to today's standards of not being able to sneeze on a quarterback without a penalty. Completely different times between Brady and Montana in the face of "protecting quarterbacks". If roles were reversed, Montana would have field day with today's NFL, just like the LeBron and Jordan debate
Brady played in the early 2000s when the still hit people. Good try
The perfect comparison.
LeBron vs. Jordan.
In the early 2000s you could still fuck up the QB. He won 3 Superbowls when you could still pump the receivers past 5 yards.
Are you dumb? Brady played with arguably the hardest hitters ever in his era, and top rated defenses
Tell me you don’t know about 2000s football some more 😂
Video brought to by Joe Montana
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Montana never once even hinted that he thought he was the goat, so... Wrong.
It's Tom. Joe had 2 superstar recievers, Taylor & Rice for many years.
Tom only had 1 for 1 year Randy Moss. Montana also had a 1,000 back Roger Craig. This takes the pressure off the passing game.
Ha, the 1 year Brady had Randy Moss they went 18 & 1. Imagine if he had the talent Montana had?
Joe was a stat man.....Brady just cares about his team and wins.
Tell me you don’t watch football without telling me you don’t watch football great video 😂
Tom has 7 SB rings, Joe has 4. Tom won a SB with a 2nd team late in his career, Joe did not. Tom played during the salary cap era. Joe played when teams could stack their rosters. Case closed, Tom is the GOAT.
You forgot to add...the only reason Tom lasted so long to win 7 rings is due to the tremendous rule changes. In the previous eras, Brady would have lasted under 10 years. FACTS.
There was Roughing the Passer penalties when Montana played. FACTS.
@@SamWestingOne of the NFL's rules is often called “The Brady Rule,” as it was added after a season-ending ACL injury to New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in 2008. This rule states that a defensive player who hits a quarterback below the knees when one or two feet are on the ground will be penalized for a personal foul and a 15-yard penalty.
@@dmvbay2535Using your reasoning, Terry Bradshaw is the GOAT. 4x SB champion playing under 1970s rules that were even less protective of QBs than in the ‘80s. Montana is still not the GOAT, no matter what!
@@SamWesting That's your opinion. Not mine, buddy. There is no comparison between the two except for number of Superbowl victories. That's it. Joe had more NFL MVP titles, SuperBowl MVPs, Pro Bowls, 1st and 2nd team All Pro votes than Terry had. Joe also was the NFL passing completion leader 5 times!! Terry = 0. Joe led the NFL in QBR twice..Terry = 0. Joe was also NFL player of the year and Terry never had that luxury. So, no Bradshaw is not the GOAT. Try again.
To say he won his first super bowls by himself shows your total ignorance…. Done with video
I would honestly put both Montana and Elway above brady. He is probably the best in his era but those two r better actual qbs. I might already put mahomes as better as well but woild like to see how that career plays out more.
😂😂😂😂😂 please 🙏 for the love of God stop
We all have recency bias. There's no doubt that both of these guys are great. Tom Brady's 7 championships appear to be the gold standard.
However, if you're going to have this discussion--you should include Otto Graham who played 10 years and made it to the Championship game every year, AND won it 7 times. I think Joe and Tom would say that'll get it done.
While the overall numbers won't look the same, consider if Graham played in today's era his passing numbers would be increased and if Tom played in Otto's era his numbers would be deflated. Also, Brady has noted that with the rule changes that have essentially eliminated hitting the quarterback, he would not have been able to play as long.
Just a little food for discussion!
No there is no recency bias. Teams now a days would absolutely destroy teams in Otto grahams era for the same reason babe Ruth would striked out in todays MLB. The players evolved. New passing schemes, new defensive schemes, new technology, new trainin, etc. Otto grahams era was ass compared to now a days. It’s not “recency bias” lol it’s y’all living in the past and can’t accept that Tom Brady is the undisputed GOAT.
@@yeer3433you don’t realize that 😂😂😂
@@yeer3433put Michael Jordan in todays nba he would just evolve around the rule sets and still be Michael Jordan we all love today
@@babycaleb7835 and you put Otto graham in todays game and he would become a 3rd string QB at best. Babe Ruth would strike out Damn near every bat.
@@babycaleb7835 you just can’t accept it🤣🤣🤣 move on players are better now
Yall act like Montana didn’t play for one of the most loaded teams in nfl history 😂😂😂 Brady is the goat he has 3 rings being a “ game manager” and 4 rings being that guy he’s completely the goat
Brady didn't have "loaded" teams? With cheating and defleated footballs? His 3 titles in the 2010s were all giveaways. Heck, he went to Tampa Bay where everyone ran to him, talk about "loaded" where back then ya got "hit" ya didn't play 2 hand touch until age 45.
@@acewilliams7917 ok hater
@@Ballinbmac Yeah, i'm jealous of a cheater.
@@acewilliams7917 yes you are
@@Ballinbmac Can't be jealous of a man who cheats. I love how you humans in society accept cheating. Astros cheat to win the series, yet people still accept it. You humans are stupid.
49ers always had great defenses in Montana’s playing days
Bart Star Can Easily Be on This List when he Have the 2nd Highest QB Rating in PostSeason History at 104.8 and 5 Championships and 2 SuperBowl MVPs in 7 Years
And Brady is ranked 20 th alltime in paser rating( playoffs) in the easier time to play qb,
Just watch the 89’ 49ers game vs Eagles… Sacked 8 times against arguably the best defensive line of all time… losing 21-10 in the 4th Quarter… Winning 38-28 with 4 td passes in the 4th quarter… Montana was the best in his time and against the better defenses when they could hit the Qb all the time… Parcells/Ryan would try and knock out Montana every game… Now if you fart near a QB it’s a penalty… He would’ve thrived in this generation… Hard to compare because of the evolution of the game… Brady 1a Montana 1b or Montana 1a Brady 1b…
Brady played in the early 2000s when you could still hit...so try again
@@ASKMEABOUTMYGARDEN I can understand that… Do me a favor… Check their first 10yrs each in the league… and let me know what you find out…
@chrisbostwick9880 idht..I was alive back then..I liked the 49ers..but I grew up in mass so I'm a pats fan..I get it was tougher back then..but it doesn't matter... Tom Brady is the goat- Joe Montana...that's a quote.
@@ASKMEABOUTMYGARDENAnd Brady was a game manager then. He got great after the rule changes.
BS on Montana not needing help. He needed his 49ers to have a goal line stand in SB 16 vs the Bengals. Let’s not forget he lost in the playoffs in 80, 82, 83, 85, 86, 87, 90, 93, 94. Whereas Brady won in 01, 03, 04, 07, 11, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20 winning 7 of those 10SB’s. Brady is the GOAT!
5 rings…? Do you mean 7? Also Vin Ah Tear E.
Agreed
You have to put some context here. Montana did so well in the super bowls because the AFC was terrible. If you add in NFC games he’s less impressive
Agreed. The dude who wrote this video conveniently forgot that the only reason Joe Montana got to only 4 superbowls is because he LOST several times in the NFC Championship game so did not even make it to those SuperBowls.
Brady feasted off a weak AFC East majority of his career.
@@hitek9too255 That's a myth. What made the AFC East appear weak was the Patriots beating them. In games where the other AFC East teams played the other AFC teams, the AFC East was the 2nd best division in the AFC. You as a Duke fan should realize that. Let's say North Carolina and Duke are the top 2 teams in the country. In that scenario, to judge the rest of the ACC, it would be unfair to point to their won-loss record vs. UNC/Duke. The only way to gauge them against other teams would be their record against those other teams.
Both quarterbacks are exceptional but remember Tom Brady lost a super bowl to the New York Giants Joe Montana never lost a super bowl making him the greatest ever.
That's nice but did he win 7 of them rings? The answer is NO which makes Brady the 🐐
@@normabatista1472 look I'll give you that Tom Brady is awesome he's a great quarterback he's in a class all by himself just like Joe Montana is Brady has seven and Montana has four but his performances were more dramatic I was there when Montana and the niners beat the cowboys and that dramatic game which Dwight Clark caught the game-winning touchdown that was awesome look I'm not trying to argue with you I love both quarterbacks butts Montana is the best my opinion of course
@@joseph-ui2xcur opinion doesn't matter....sports keep stats and records for a reason, its not subjective...saying Joe went 4-0 is literally saying he wasn't as consistent as Tom😂😂😂
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 my opinion does matter I'm a fan. I don't keep statistics of any kind just memories
@@normabatista1472 he cheated/payed off the refs in 6 of them so he should technically only have 1 ring
I hate the cowgirls, but The Catch was and is iconic. You can always make the argument for the eras in which they played, talent always shines when give the opportunity and these men are not only great competitors, most of all class acts.
comparing different era's is always difficult with so many pro's and cons for each decade.
one thing i think is certain, todays quarterbacks generally have it a lot easier then at any time in history.
if i had to pick a top 10 of alltime it would be as follows:
1 montana
2 unitas
3 brady
4 staubach
5 graham
6 tarkenton
7 marino
8 bradshaw
9 p.manning
10 baugh
honorable mentions to starr elway van brocklin tittel jurgensen and young
Brady has more Super Bowl MVPs than joe has Super Bowl wins🤣🤣🤣
At least Joe Montana didn’t get caught for cheating, nor did his team get caught for cheating twice.
@@StoneColdSteel 5 Super Bowl MVPs>4 Super Bowl wins🤣🤣🤣
The reason joe Montana is the real GOAT and Tom Brady is not is because joe didn't cheat and pay off the refs to help him win 7 super bowls.
Brady only has 1 legit Superbowl
@@gz1. yes and it was the one in 2004 vs the Panthers
@@gz1. lol he has 7 Super Bowl wins and that’s completely objective.
Cry more
Comment section looks like an ocean with the amount of salt here
My argument is Brady is the Goat for the flag football era today which gave Brady an extra 5-7 years of healthy football to win and with little worries psychologically of being hit hard or late WHICH IS Huge! Montana could be hit with a dump truck late and still no get a flag during 80s/90s. Give Montana an extra 5-7 years with the early 90s 49ers teams and he never leaves or retires until he wins 3 more easily imo. 49ers was about to become first 3 peat team in 1990 until Marshall’s hit on Montana cracked his ribs, broke his hand, bruised his sternum and stomach all on ONE hit. He missed next season and a half. Can’t compare the two eras but I pick Joe Cool
Atlanta didn’t give Tom the game he was down 28 and brought them back
fr that comeback was one of the cleanest comebacks. No penalties or calls that helped the patriots just a full choke job
Montana never allowed his team to be down 25 Lmao
@@JoshGibson-fb7mfhe also never won 7 rings
@@JoshGibson-fb7mfand the league today is far more talented
@@Will502x
flag football today, defenseless receivers? Idiocy. Lol, that is when I changed the channel. NFL is dead. Sissy league.
Coming from a niner fan, Joe had more physical talent. but you can’t deny, Brady’s the goat.
Tom Brady has 7 super bowl wins, and Montana has 4.
Thatd be like arguing that Nick Saban isnt the Goat of College when he broke 'The Bears' Bear Bryants record for most national championships.
Mr Narrator, can you please stop saying Adam Vinatieri's name wrong. Are you reading from a script? Did you ever watch Joe Montana play? The man was more than just a good quarterback, he was a leader and he commanded respect wherever he went, from the field to interviews to the locker room that man was respected. He had that drive that passion that put him into a whole different category.
Do you think Montana would've lost a Superbowl game if he had Brady's super Patriots team that included Randy Moss? The answer is never. This is why, in my opinion, Joe is the goat. However, I won't argue with those who pick Brady. He obviously has the numbers.
😂😂😂bruh u don't even need to be talking football....coming back 25 points isn't luck, coming back ten against the legion of boom isn't luck😂😂😂and he has 7, get ur fuckin count right, 7....this is sports, it is objective, fuck an opinion....if all the QBs including Joe say Tom, who tf are u to say otherwise, joe couldn't get to more than 4 SBs....u don't wanna bring up the seasons he couldn't make it or how Tom was proven innocent in court from deflategate but Goodell railroaded him for a whole year....also Brady came back on Atlanta with no Gronk😂😂😂he has more AFC chips than Joe has NFC, a 50 TD season...only time he missed the playoffs is bcuz he was injured....bruh don't lie in the video, just say u don't like Brady....it hasn't been Joe for a good while now....and Tom has beaten every single team in the NFL and he won with a whole nother team sumn joe couldn't do....don't cap...up here sounding like Rob Parker....lmk when Adam Vinatieri can kick the ball 80 yards....u gotta be on fentanyl laced crack
Won't argue bcuz there's no argument to be made, 4-0 is impressive when u got 1, 2, 3, even 4 but once ur past tht....ur say he lost more than Joe, the probability of losing increases the more u go, he won 3 more than him, like so u just gon ignore the years he lost in playoffs....bruh u gots to do better....u got no legs to stand on....nigga said however in my opinion, nigga this is objective
except, Well, he lost that game
The league enabled Brady and the Patriots to become the face of the league for patriotic reason’s following 9/11, starting with their first Super Bowl win in 2001, over the highly talented St. Louis Rams that had 6 potential future Hall Of Famers on the roster. A Super Bowl, where it’s alleged they video taped the walk throughs of the Rams last practices before the game …..After that, the league had the refs protect Brady at all costs. Literally changed the rules based off of his injuries. Of course you will get all of the records, if other players in the league are scared they’ll get penalized for hitting you too rough…..Montana played in a much tougher league, and still didn’t lose a Super Bowl.
Alleged?
🤦♂️
cant lose super bowls if you dont make them!
He lost 42 to 3 to the giants in the playoffs
The final reason: LT. Brady never had to deal with such a terror. Ray Lewis, as formidable as he was, was not LT.
Ed Reed? A dude Brady literally had to write on his wrist thing "find 20 on the play" when he played the Ravens on top of having Ray Lewis to worry about as well. Brady is even on record saying he hated playing against Reed and even calls him his kryptonite
Montana played when big hits on QBs were normal, and receivers were still getting mugged at the line. Watch the anime Burt hit in the 1986 postseason and the Leonard Marshall hit in the 1990 postseason. Not only was neither player fined for those hits, they weren’t even penalized! Full disclosure; I saw this as a hardcore Seahawks fan who doesn’t have a whole bit of San Fran love, but Montana was the greatest ever. Didn’t lose a Super Bowl, didn’t even throw a INT in a Super Bowl. Tom Brady can’t say either of those things.
Joe Montana called Tom Brady the G.O.A.T 😂 stop it
It’s not real football. The playoffs games are fixed for entertainment and viewing. Brady and Montana are not even top 5 all time qbs. You’d have to at least put Elway, Manning, Marino, and Rodgers ahead of them. Surely another one too
@@connorclarke1218 what 😂 so put 5 QBs with less wins and less Superbowls and less stats ahead of TB12 and Joe you sound crazy.
@@realmusicrealartist4899 haha TB 12😁😁It’s fake brother, WWE. Watch it on Sunday this season, you’ll see all the doinked field goals, the late game fumbles, the overtime games that almost never existed years ago like it does now. The interceptions where a receiver isn’t within 5 yards of the ball and there is a quarterback getting paid 25 million dollars a year to throw it to them accurately. Come on now, It’s a soap opera with storylines.
@@connorclarke1218 I am 43yrs old been watching football for a long time, I think people are just mad that TB12 was the Freddy Kruger of the league and he beat up in yall favorite teams for 20 plus years 😂
@@realmusicrealartist4899 well maybe 20 years ago it wasn’t as fake but it was still super rigged. The tuck rule in 01’ was absolutely rigged for TB12, as was the game winning drives he got a chance to win the Super Bowl in 01’, 03’, and 04’. Totally fake champion. The Seattle Super Bowl with the Malcolm Butler interception had to be faker than a Bret Hart Hulk Hogan match. Even the ones Brady lost were super fake. The fake fumble in the 4th quarter against Philadelphia. The David Tyree catch when the play should’ve been marked dead. So much fake stuff it baffles me that grown adults don’t see it or I guess can’t see it.
Montana never got bailed out with a tuck rule either. Saved 1 of Brady's SB wins...
As a Cowboys fan, I say Montana and the Niners never cheated to get their Super Bowls....And I will just leave it at that...
It’s “Puff, Puff, PASS” .. 😮 Unbelievable.
How can you argue against this discourse? Montana is the goat!
He had rice….imagine if he had Randy moss as long as Jerry and Montana were together
Tom Brady went to 48 playoff games, Montana 23??? You really trying to make that argument??? I don't even like TB12, but, C'mon man 🤦♂️
this is like comparing apple to oranges, different times different game, but as someont who watched montano i would agree that he was up there for his time and will always be know for his skill , yesl toooooooooo many good qbs had careers cut short from toooooooo many hits,
2 of those Super Bowls the other teams had no chance to beat the 49ers whatsoever and it wasn’t just because of Joe. Broncos freaking had no chance against the 89 49ers Steve Young could have started and blown out the Broncos.
Even Troy Aikman says Tom Brady is the best along with most the other quarterbacks case closed