Inside Rivian and Ford’s Plants, as They Race to Build EVs Faster | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2022
- Rivian is under pressure to prove it can build its electric trucks at scale without having ramped up production before, as competition heats up from legacy auto makers. WSJ toured Rivian’s and Ford’s EV factories to see how they are pushing to meet demand. Illustration: Adam Falk/The Wall Street Journal
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Got my R1t on 6/2/2023 and it was a perfect build vin with 24k plus. Good job Rivian very happy with my truck and how you built it!
I got my r1t in December and absolutely love it. Highest quality I've ever seen.
My first electric EV came with a remote control. Fit inside a shoebox even had room to spare for the remote.
I wish Rivian the best. We need more innovation in the EV space and they are doing some pretty unique things. Tim took a huge leap of faith leaving a brand like Nissan to come to a brand new company not yet well established in the auto industry
Traditional manufacturers will crush the ev space simply because they have the experience, workforce, and suppliers. Tesla is only going to be around as a common ev where as we should see plenty of niche products and that's where we will see rivian land.
@@jakefendrick7555 I think they will be bought out sadly by the Big 3 .
@@jakefendrick7555 nah it's mostly the opposite. New ev companies like rivian and Tesla will grow a lot because they have the first mover advantage and brand recognition. Also legacy automakers are moving slowly because they're already invested in their current production systems. Yes the share of the ev market from legacy automakers will grow and Tesla and Rivian will decrease. But currently its only gm, VW and Hundai that have good ev's on the market. Toyota, Honda, ford and Chrystler all don't
also the lightning is junk
i mean super junk
I’ve seen 5 Rivians at the country club in Florida. I’ve seen 1 Lightning and it was dealer owned and about 10 Teslas. Either way it’s time to add some charging stations in the parking lot.
Hope Rivian succeeds. Better competition, better for the consumers.
they just need to get big enough to get to "too big to fail status" and get bailed out infinitely from the taxpayers like all the legacy automakers....
RIVIAN cant Scale or RAMP production.
it does not make own Battery cells or Gigacastings.
@@lucysmith4242 the number that they can deliver next year will tell us that.
As someone who works in manufacturing, a VERY easy way to ramp up production is to speak to the hard working operators and ask them how they can improve production. It's not the overpaid engineers who have those answers, it's the operators who are the ones using these machines. They are the ones who know how to find ways of improvement since they live with the mahcines. On a specific machine I operate, I've made my own adjustments and modifications to the machine to increase production and reduce scrap at the same time. No engineer at my plant figured anything out until me, an operator, figured it out.
If you keep speaking logic and common sense we are going to have to stop talking to you.
Great point, it's usually the people who've done the same task over and over again that come to a quicker realization of what things can change to make everything more efficient.
Engineer here in a production facility for a large auto manufacture and I'm going to tell you that your statement may be the case in your plant or company but is not always the case for every plant company and operator. Our operators are quality checkers. They just use plug gauges every 50 and 100 parts and log it into a system. When the machine faults out they often don't even attempt to fix, recover, or in some scenarios even read the fault. So maybe in your scenario the operators have robot programming and machining background but I doubt there are that many skilled operators in a larger factory where they are struggling to get people in the door
@@JustinWeeces Too bad that these days John Deere focuses most of its energy in inventing new hurdles to prevent farmers from repariring their own Johne Deere machines.
@@lucysmith4242 Rivian has Indian Engineers that don't know the auto industry.
Rivian is an amazing company. They are gonna be huge!
Well, I received my dual motor R1T as available within a week of ordering online. Its the highest quality vehicle I've ever had. All the best Rivian!!!
9 hours to get from Normal, IL to Detroit, MI is insanely long.
It's like 300 miles. I could do it in 4 hours in my truck.
Yea, I'm curious about that too. ABRP says they needed a minimum of 35 minutes of charging for that route. Rounding up let's say an hour. It's approx 6 hours driving, so 7 hours with charging.
My husband is working at that Rivian plant right now!
I really hope they do well. Its better for eh population for there to be viable competition and options. I personally am in love with the R1T. Its way better overall than the other EV Trucks even at the price point and if I had the money I would get rid of my gas guzzling Ram Hemi and buy one today!
try the KANDI K32 4x4 off road truck, its only $28,000.
As long as your not planning on using it much!
It makes sense for them to prioritize last mile delivery vehicles over personal consumer. They have guaranteed funding versus just a "maybe people will buy our cars" .
they have a waitlist. People will definitely buy those cars. Prioritizing Amazon shows their influence over the Rivian.
Lol, get a clue buddy, consumers want this, they buying it at a premium second hand right now.
7:11 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Love the time stamp u am that old guy that talks to the tv 😂
At 6:55 "But this plant has the capacity to produce... 150,000 vehicles a year."
I think you mean "this building is big enough to put in a plant that might build 150,000 vehicles a year, if only it had the equipment, the manpower, and the know-how to build 150,000 vehicles a year."
Would love to see what a rivian sedan/hatchback looks like when they get to that point.
RIVIAN is going BANKRUPT in 2024.
Looks like you had the right idea and speculation based on what they just revealed s couple weeks ago. Good job
I ran a marathon with the worst settings on my Ultra 1 and listened to music over my AirPods Pro 2 with brightness turned up all the way, cellular turned on and no phone. I made calls to meet up with friends before the race and used find my to locate them during the race. Truly the worst case of heavy usage. I had some problems so it turned into almost a five hour marathon and the ultra finished it like a champ with 14% left.
I still find it funny that Rivian and Ford partnered up, and not too long after the split, Ford had their own version of an electric pickup truck. Coincidence?
Clearly they only bought the company to have possession of the intellectual property. That’s not even a conspiracy it’s pretty well known…
They split up because Ford decided they didn’t need Rivian for the F150
Ford and Rivian have not really split.
You guys should put links to the articles you mentioned in the description. I’d like to read them
Still Want A Rivian🇻🇨
My pick up my R1T next week, super excited. I think it's a great product and after driving one, it's very solid! I have owned two Tesla's, one of which we are keeping and love them. Definitely looking forward to having a truck again. Ford and GM need to change and buying something completely new and clean sheet is the way to go. Excited for the EV future!
Good answer on stability
I think the decision to also cater to electric cars has brought more faith to the electric car industry kudos to the makers
5:52 Seeing that ford lightning and it still has a transmission tunnel.
yes, FUD Lightweight is built on a GAS truck Platform.
That's the problem, they didn't build it from scratch but simply flopped a f150 body on a modified chassis.
@@fbanda20 it won’t be till 2025…ish. Before we see the new design. Then the learning curve begins and redesigns and improvements; while dancing on the edge of bankruptcy.
@@crtmojo2705 buy stocks now they’re cheap lol
@@fbanda20 I’ve been buying the dip for the past year. Can’t believe that most people still don’t understand this transition. Opportunity.
6:10 - Finishing touch
As a small investor I think that Rivian had the guts to start with the truck vs competing with TSLA and that market then come back to the small-mid suv. I think it looks better than Ford's and has an edge.
If they want to be successful, they shouldn't hire people from Nissan, especially at upper management
How is front loading the emissions more friendly for environment
WE ARE ROOTING FOR YOU!
Go Rivian!
Yep, let's see how much government money they get before they go bankrupt. Just like solenydra solar.
People have to be sympathetic to the trials and paints it takes to building vehicles, especially when the company itself is a startup. If you consider the fact that the long legacy manufactures have issues themselves, what more could you expect from a startup. Well.. You should expect exactly what you see. You have all new types of vehicles that must work and last the duration of expected use time. years of use. Consider exactly what a vehicles is. its a rolling house , traditionally with plumbing electricity, ventalation, seating and comfort, communication, safety and much much more. and a jigsaw of parts that often must interact with one another. its alot. throw in new technology and new means of manufacturing that in and of itself must pass trials of its own build and quality. Unfortunately people to day are impatient. spoiled. and want everything now.
Building cars well and fast is what makes Tesla and Rivian market capitalisations nuts. The large car manufacturers already know how to make a lot of vehicles well and yet Tesla at one point was worth more than all of them. I think you need a video on why can't capital markets value companies properly.
Not a fan of touchscreen operated vehicles, or the problematic doorhandles, but the Rivian truck looks cool. Especially in that green color. Pity it's very expensive, and they can only make a few per week.
Rivian definitely has great products that are better quality than Tesla sedans. Tesla needs competition anyway, so hopefully some EV company can pull through
Of course the quality is better because they aim to produce 25.000 cars this year. Tesla on the other hand is on track to produce more than 1.000.000 cars this year. So when Rivian reaches such numbers, then we can talk again abt. quality. But at the end competition is good for us consumers.
TESLA has the software and tech advantage, now in days car is more a computer than a car
Tesla also has a great supercharger network which is huge factor to also consider.
@@rajatdixit007 people heavily undervalue the supercharger network. It is such a gamechanger
@@vidainvestor Exactly. Tesla is a software company that happens to build cars
good video
Chip shortage is an excuse at this point. According to TSMC insider
car is tough business!
If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs if we had some eggs. -- Rivian.
What a pitch
Rivian driver here , it’s alright no big deal
I wish they would sell rivian in australia
I can wait to see Canoo get there trucks and vans on the road!
CANOO is a pump & dump FRAUD.
As an investor in rivian I’m just hoping for better days 😭
they cant SCALE or RAMP.
Yikes
Wait till CT offers solar on truck bed. 30 miles added a week.. minimum.
How much is the truck
$90,000.......lol
@@markplott4820 As a Canadian, yeah I'm probably out
The Ford guy can actually pronounce the word aluminum.
Pretty sure he's British
Ordered the R1S in march 2021 and have been delayed twice to 2024. I’m still waiting………
Did u get it how was it
Hi! How are you?
It's Wednesday. There's only a few days left this year.
Korea/Seoul is the third country with cold and snow. I wish you good health and good things for the rest of the week.
Thank you very much.
Which one is better?
Rivn or ford?
The American expectation is to get it right the first time. Marketing needs to stop selling unrealistic expectations and align the company mission with reality as a new company
byd right now leads in every way
They’ve a long road ahead. Take a look at factory 56 and compare.
I really hope Rivian make it and I know Ford will
FUD motors is going BANKRUPT in 2024.
It'd be nice if they made them cheaper and threw in some generators/range extenders - it's happening in europe so manufacturers CAN make the vehicles that are more affordable & practical
they cant, in 2024 Hybrid engines are BANNED from sale.
and 2030 the GAS car is BANNED from sale.
more than 26 STATES have signed MANDATES.
It's insane that we didn't transition for a decade through PHEVs. Instead, we're being forced into EV's with no reliable infrastructure and no gas generator to fall back on. The Out of Spec Reviews video two days ago show how EA chargers will not work in very cold weather. The charging network is pathetic with no hope for improvement.
5:53 I manufacture this inverter for Ford, wonder if I did that one lol
TESLA makes their own inverters and is backwards compatable with all 4 models,
@@markplott4820 I do think our/Ford's method isn't the most efficient, manufacturing wise. Our's definitely aren't compatible between models, thanks to the smallest changes in mounting/connector placement or pipe direction etc which end up needing different machines to produce them - at least the process's are similar enough that training new people across many different parts isn't difficult , but it could be improved overall
@@sirsluginston - FUD motors wont Exist in 2024 , they will be BANKRUPT.
cybertruck is coming and is coming fast. goodluck to the competition . wall st journal and rivian both linked by MR bezos
I can't believe theres so many people buying new Rivians and Lightnings.
I think rivian is safe cause the new f150 EV (I refuse to call that trash a lightning) is a complete joke of a “truck”! I work at ford and it’s no secret they are not even close to a r1t
How is it a joke? They’re selling out right?
@@shauna996 Are you kidding me they are trash I've seen a couple on the side of the road. Mileage is horrible especially when towing.
I wish a company would make an actually affordable small electric car, something that would only cost100-200 dollars a month, it doesnt need to have many features other then it goes from a-b, no electric windows,basic interior and a radio, I know generally if someone is buying an electric car they are already either middle class or above but frankly i think theres a lot of people who are technically poor(including me) that need functional cars and could afford a small car payment for a few years and that isn't a used one.
Batteries are extremely expensive so that won’t be happening anytime soon.
@@TeamKevin31 you dont think an ev can be made and sold for 20-25k? what a shame. even if it didnt use a lithium type cell? plenty of new types of batteries in the coming years.
@@mikew735 it’s possible but no manufacturer will create a 20k ev. The profit margin would be laughable
Renault Zoe? 2019 model 300km range... my girlfriend bought for 20k....cheap, and good quality. They have been produced for many years and proven that they are reliable.
Your best bet is to find a Chevy Bolt and get it in January because the Bolt will likely be eligible for at least half the new EV tax credit.
Let there be competition! I wish Rivian the best. However, the EV infrastructure needs to be seriously looked at if all manufacturers are now jumping on the bandwagon
It's all pretty silly
there is no Competition, TESLA has 1.6 Million reservations and is producing Cybertruck in 2023.
I hope Rivian and Lucid Suceed
What is extremely important not talked about is a charging network. Tesla is the only company who foresaw the need for a reliable mass network. Relying on electrify America is a huge mistake. They are extremely unreliable and slow.
So cool that spider-man is now also building EV's, truely a world-saving superhero.
TESLA = We have a HULK. !!!!!
Rivian is so hard to make they are not able to produce in volume. Its something someone should have addressed earlier.
Yes i agree with this point. Tesla went through so much growing pains and simplified their cars as much as possible. Rivian will struggle with this mightily
And its 17 secs ago
I'm waiting a few more years to pull the trigger on a Rivian because there is at least a 50/50 chance that we will see Generation II of battery technology, i.e., Solid State. IF that happens, and a lot of big, well-funded companies are working on them, the current Lithium-Ion battery technology will be obsolete.
Just buy it now. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
I think you’ll get your wish in 10-15 years. Battery technology just keeps getting better.
Smart.
Is anything salvageable?!?
NO, Rivian is BANKRUPT.
Nope I doubt they'll even let you have manufactures schematic to repair it when it breaks. Throw it away when it breaks and buy a new one. It's green energy after all 😉.
A 5.5 hour trip in an ICE is a 9 hour trip in a EV? Horrifying.
Dislike the headlights
It's amazing how Tesla made everyone do this 😂😘
5:47 supply chains are not all their to flow
Focus on behind the curtain but nah they want to just swap cash and profit instead of protecting and developing a stronger supply chain fragile baby
They lost 5 billion in the first three quarters. Whew! Is SBF on the board of directors?
Rivian has Amazon pumping them cash. Lucid has the Saudi’s money.
Is this tesla
I like the CEO of Rivian is like "I WANT TO BE THE NEXT TOYTA" and yet their vehicles cost more than any Toyota I know, and they still haven't proven reliability.
You can tell Rivian is cheaping out by seeing YALE / Hyster forklifts inside. That has made me not want to buy a Rivian.
I have the R1S. They need to fire quality control personal!
Will you elaborate? I was hoping they had good quality.
@Shaun A I received mine with a serious gap on the tailgate, rattling door from bass, AC doesn't heat sometimes, and a couple of loose plastics such as a light inside the SUV. I am not the only one with a few issues, and I have never experienced something like this with a new car.
Top 5 Evs of 2022
Tell me your favourite
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Yet theyre still priced outside of the average consumers budget. They wont sell.
Great #tesla news
They are useless in high cold temperatures. What's the point?
They are not.
WSJ, do a report on the THREE Tesla Gigas.
Arcimoto
Only 85k to 110k for a truck. No biggie.. LOL
March 2024 Update- Ford Lightning has tanked. Rivian burns through money faster than Congress.
And the factory is powered by?
Mostly Nuclear
Solar?
@@niknokseyer Illinois has lots of windpower
rivian gotta work on their cars's quality rather than trying to pump the numbers. Focus on the quality and the quantity will naturally go up
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2015 F-150s on the line? 🤔
YES, FUD motors uses GAS truck as EV platform.
Rivians sure look cool. Throw in some of the suspect Telsa quality and Elon being a total tool and Im fully onboard with the other EV makers.
Not a fan of Elon? Sounds like your jealous.
@@tira2145 I also don’t like Elon, and am not jealous.
@@robertjamesonmusic That's the first thing a jealous person would say.
@@tira2145 He lies..a lot. Guy even comes from wealth already.
@@Matthew-rp3jf So your a racist now. You do know that Elon's a African American?
the world is transitioning to electric
Tesla will have a lot in common with Nokia and BlackBerry soon.
😉
rivian and ford will then call back all ev for defects in this rushed production
Whatever happened to NIO
Chinese company that doesn't sell cars in the US yet. Apparently 2025 but we will see.
it is a State Controlled Company i dont know who would want to drive a car with cameras mics... build by a chinese Company...
NIO is non Compliant , cant sell cars in USA.
If Rivian had the self driving software that Tesla's have I think they would be a lot more successful as their build quality is better than tesla but tesla has miles better software in terms of their autopilot and or self-driving.
I wouldn't say rivian would be MORE successful, since the market for large SUVs and trucks isn't as big as that for smaller SUVs and sedans, but I already see rivians on the road on a daily basis, so they're certainly getting somewhere. I've also started seeing the occasional lucid air as well.
Yeah right better build quality - ruclips.net/video/7frg47tqhVY/видео.html They are worse.
If only Tesla actually had the self driving software they claim they have.
Lol is this a joke? Tesla does not have better autopilot than say Ford or GM's super cruise!
Software can catch up. So I hope Rivian can stay consistent.
The only way EVs will truly be better for the environment is if the batteries and rest of the body get recycled. Good thing that batteries are +90% recyclable from the hydrometallurgical process and plenty of companies are building massive battery recycling plants such as Li-Cycle.
The really Really bad thing is that most people are Absolutely HORRIBLE about recycling all other household use products and don't even think it affects the environment at all.
Please learn how to recycle PROPERLY and then recycle everything that you can. Thanks ♻️🌳🌍🌲🌎♻️
Nope. Even without recycling EVs are far better.
Who wants to buy a shittier version of a Tesla that cost more then a Tesla?
Nah, I’m waiting on the new GMC or Chevy EV truck
I still don’t believe EV will lead the future since I had a Chevy volt and it took so much time to charge. Now if they mass produce hydrogen cars, those I believe can go mainstream
Paying for hydrogen fuel versus free electricity from the sun...
It’s way cheaper to have a shop convert your Camry/Accord to an EV than to buy a new one. We need more car shops doing this. It’s a HUGE untapped market, especially since an average EV costs more than $60K
FALSE , it costs $89,000 to convert ICE to BEV in 2022.
TESLA come with 8 year warranty , and BETTER built than ICE car.
Cars are relatively short lasting products. Not worth it at all.
@@Simon-dm8zv - TESLA cars outlast MOST tractors.
@@markplott4820 I know. EVs are great. I am just saying the vast majority of vehicles doesn't last longer than 15 years so converting existing ICE vehicles is not worth it.
@@Simon-dm8zv - just FALSE . most BEV even 1st gen used , outlast any gas car , and they live long lives and then on used market for many more Owners , as people upgrade their cars.
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the ford lightning is junk, i work at a ford dealership and this truck just doesnt sell
They ned to standardize charging
Tesla NACS connector.
Rivian is expensive ..... :(