i thinks that putting them sideways works since it helps eliminate some weight, and since they only go up, they’ll make the aircraft go into a straight line position anyways
This is less of a challenge and more of a showcase of how finely tuned the aerodynamics of Trailmakers are. The fact that a 2 gimbal sound barrier busting vehicle is even possible absolutely blows my mind.
the way the bass shaker on the back of my lazy boy makes me feel like I'm in that rocket when it hits the speed of sound, i just can't get enough of it
@@rexrckr3600 He never tried it with aerodynamic pieces in front of the gokart seat, and it actually is much better with the gokart seat that way. In fact so much better you can break the sound barrier with only one gimbal glitch-less and mod-less, provided you also lay the gimbals flat parallel to the ground rather than vertical.
I like this idea, but unfortunately heli engines don't deal with high loading very well, the heavier you make the spinny thing the slower it spins. :/ Would still love to see the attempt, but I don't think it would be successful.
19:00 you litterally broke the sound barrier within a MUSCLE LEAGUE. If you manage to breke the sound barrier without the energy cores you will be a legend
I think I have an interesting idea for Multiplayer Monday: having an arena with land and water, trees, rocks, you name it. Everyone creates an amphibious vehicle that can or cannot transform, and all vehicles have a bomb spawner on them. The winner of each round has to increase engine and/or thruster speed (the creation might have both or just one), therefore making it harder for them, and the first person to reach a designated level on engine or thruster wins (I don't know what the beginning speed should be). also great video!
Without watching past the first bit about guessing the number of thrusters, I guess 36. Aerodynamic drag is proportional to the square of the velocity, so 6 times the speed would mean 6^2 times the drag. This is going to be an over-estimate though, because the net thrust with one gimbal jet is actually less than the thrust of one, since the weight of the cockpit is taking away from it.
Whoa, I'm loving the aerodynamic science going on here. I've been building planes in Trailmakers for a long while now and I did not expect putting anything on the back of the cockpit to have any effect whatsoever. Nor did I expect the aero on the sticky-outy bit of the airplane cockpit to be worse than a 1x4 wedge. That's super useful info, cause I bet you could perfect-aero a go-kart seat for less weight than the airplane cockpit itself.
I love to see things flying in mid-air. While I'm more a sailsman, I know my physics. If you put the cockpit upside down, glas on the bottom. Then 2 gimbal jets on the cockpit and some wedges to make it all streamlined. This is more balanced and still a small footprint for resistance.. Just like a boat, balance everything out, only this time it's upside down! ⛵️
as far as im concerned that leaves 2 more sound of speed challenges: can you throw something at the speed of sound, can you reach speed of sound by freefaling
I guessed 6. The 28 at the start convinced me of your 15, and then I was so proud seeing 6 work and 4 fail. Then you went and managed it with three and I am now impressed
I'd guess 6. Maybe 6-8, 8 being the MOST I think it could take. With perfect aerodynamics I'd be amazed if it took less than 5. 200~ kmph each, with perfect aerodynamics to reduce diminishing returns, means I think 224 * 6 = 1,344 kmph give or take for diminishing returns. After watching: WOW! It took 3?! I'm blown away. Aerodynamics counts for so, so, so much more in this game than I thought.
If you're going for extremely fast things you should *always* use the lightest seat you can, having a go kart seat with 4x1 wedges in front of it is not only lighter than a cockpit seat but is also more aerodynamic as the 4x1 wedge is the most aerodynamic block in the game. Also, if you see no aerodynamic arrows it means that block doesn't generate drag, that actually goes for 99% of the aesthetic blocks (only exception is the sound block) Also, you could've just turned the gimbal jets vertically so you dont need the connector blocks while also being able to place 4x1 wedge blocks on the top.
I initialled guessed 6(my reasoning being that yes there might be some diminishing return, but not enough to outweigh the fact that each additional gimblejet, have to carry a smaller and smaller % of the seat), and got really discouraged when he needed 28 initially... did NOT expect aerodynamics to have THAT big of an impact, that I ended up having overestimating in the end...
Tried to make a 2 gimbal jet version and got to 1175! So close yet so farXD! It is on the workshop if anyone wants to see it and/or try and make it better.
I reached 1131 kph with 2 gimbals on my first try Then I broke the sound barrier with 3 gimbals all set to .82 power It seems you need at least the power of 2.46 gimbals(though possibly as low as 2.4, due to added weight of the extra gimbal jet and varying craft design)
I genuinely guessed 2 because one time I was using gimbals to make a plane go forward cause funny, but at the start I was trying to see the max speed I could get and with 2 and lots of optimization I got to 1100 kph, it was a waste of time for me tho. Also, I remade your design for 2 gimbals and I got to 1138 kph so far.
My guess was 15 when I saw the first gimbal (Did not expect scrapman's guess to be also 15 lol) kinda mind blown how just aerodynamics cut down like more than 90% of gimbals
possible optimizations: rotate gimbals to eliminate 1x2 connectors use operator seat, attach gimbals to bottom so there's no extra side aero to deal with
Attaching gimbals to bottom would make it very unstable, unable to go straight kinda like over steering, vechicle would flip upside down, so weight is back at its place. What I always do building a drone is putting them as high(and wide) as possible, so they auto stabilize the drone without any logic
The point is to flip upside down so seat is under the gimbals when flying Doing the above fits vehicle into a 2x2 horizontal footprint so you only need the 4 wedges
hey for the 2 gimbal design id imagine you could rotate the gimbals to have the attachments facing upwards, get rid of all the aerodynamics other than infront of the gimbal and the seat, and replace the seat with a go kart seat, and i think that would be faster (also dont forget the rudder)
@18:30 spin and wobble are proof of imbalance. The wind resistance alone on the cockpit cover is enough to create wobble, and you aren't balancing the craft on all 4 sides.
With the gimbal checks because they automatically write you up words you could build a thing as long as you want and then when you turn them on they bring you straight up
I originally predicted 8, and was severely disappointed when it went up to 28 without aerodynamic adjustments.... I am happily surprised that I guessed wrong.
@14:10 Your cockpit is slightly heavier on one side, which creates a slight wobble... if you can somehow balance it on all 4 sides, i think it would improve performance.
My guess was 10, never expected three after the initial flight. After finishing the video, I can almost guarantee two is "possible", but it might take some significant time and effort to achieve.
Try and break the sound barrier with a constantly changing velocity, a.k.a. Rotation, try and make the worlds fastest gyroscope! ( that or make a spin-launch system)
ight, so i aint even cappin at all, you said to guess how many would reach the sound barrier, i guessed 5, then u needed 28 and i was like ight dang it, then u put the aero stuff on there and u went to 15, still to fast and i had some hope, then u did 6 it had some to spare, then 4 and i was like "dont make it, dont make it, dont make it" then it didnt make it and i was like nahh no way i guessed that like a min in the vid lmao. anyway love ur vids man, i hope u see this bc you rlly brought me through some tough things ever since 2020, please make more hide and seeks haha
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it's impressive how with good enough aerodynamics he managed to cut 90% of the extra thrusters
Low drag
I know more that school
85%* if with 4
@@Ewyn4851 it's actually 89.2% so basically 90% from 28 to 3 thrusters very impressive #wedgegang
Beamng
The faster you go the more draggier it gets i think
It's actually possible with only one of these. You could also put them sideways so you dont need to connect them with more blox.
no drag glitch go brrrr
How is only one possible? You mean with a no-air-resistance-glitch?
i thinks that putting them sideways works since it helps eliminate some weight, and since they only go up, they’ll make the aircraft go into a straight line position anyways
@@lonelee5353 Thats what i was thinking of
Using a lighter seat but making it aerodynamic makes the acceleration a lot better so you will have much more time to speed up with less thrust.
AND HE'S TRYING IT WITH TWO NOW??? my dude you have earned all my respect omg
@Badoumbe Soumbounou Or... side by side... sideways...
This is less of a challenge and more of a showcase of how finely tuned the aerodynamics of Trailmakers are. The fact that a 2 gimbal sound barrier busting vehicle is even possible absolutely blows my mind.
the way the bass shaker on the back of my lazy boy makes me feel like I'm in that rocket when it hits the speed of sound, i just can't get enough of it
Since you stopped air from hitting the seat anyway, you should have tried with the go-kart seat (because it is lighter than the cockpit).
He did it didn’t eork
Did you even watch all the video
@@rexrckr3600 He never tried it with aerodynamic pieces in front of the gokart seat, and it actually is much better with the gokart seat that way. In fact so much better you can break the sound barrier with only one gimbal glitch-less and mod-less, provided you also lay the gimbals flat parallel to the ground rather than vertical.
That's what I was going to say. Once he put the aerodynamic pieces covering the cockpit, that's when he should have tried the go-cart seat.
I tried it it didn’t work
video idea : use helicopter motor to spin a piece really fast, and fling a piece to supersonic speed
edit: yea basically the spinlaunch system
Actually sick idea
I like this
Good Idea, the flung piece could be the seat so it also flings you
I like this idea, but unfortunately heli engines don't deal with high loading very well, the heavier you make the spinny thing the slower it spins. :/ Would still love to see the attempt, but I don't think it would be successful.
Mach 10 beyblade
19:00 you litterally broke the sound barrier within a MUSCLE LEAGUE. If you manage to breke the sound barrier without the energy cores you will be a legend
breke
Not really any body can go through soundbarier using servos and tailfine's to make props
He did that with Pistons
@@__franz_ I made the mistake of clicking translate to English. It literally means panties
A lot of people have done that already, honestly it's way easier than you'd think
I think I have an interesting idea for Multiplayer Monday: having an arena with land and water, trees, rocks, you name it. Everyone creates an amphibious vehicle that can or cannot transform, and all vehicles have a bomb spawner on them. The winner of each round has to increase engine and/or thruster speed (the creation might have both or just one), therefore making it harder for them, and the first person to reach a designated level on engine or thruster wins (I don't know what the beginning speed should be). also great video!
You and The Real Civil Engineer should team up on a video once...that would be awesome to watch!
It would but RCE has a COMPLETELY different target audience, I don't think it would work
You’re probably right, but it never hurts to try, and I would love it.
Well, then I'm an audience of two in one then. I watch both, for different reasons though.
Totally different target audiences. RCE is not suitable for young kids, while scrapman is.
@@poonuts Same
You should try to break the sound barrier by spinning, similar to a catapult type design
RCE did that.
imagine if that had a first persion cam view included with that lol
0:40 Actually, zou can reverse the gimbal jet to work downwards (And you even yoused it in the video, when you tried to go forward only with gimbals)
Yea, but that would be with gravity assist and he didn’t want to do that.
Without watching past the first bit about guessing the number of thrusters, I guess 36. Aerodynamic drag is proportional to the square of the velocity, so 6 times the speed would mean 6^2 times the drag. This is going to be an over-estimate though, because the net thrust with one gimbal jet is actually less than the thrust of one, since the weight of the cockpit is taking away from it.
Whoa, I'm loving the aerodynamic science going on here. I've been building planes in Trailmakers for a long while now and I did not expect putting anything on the back of the cockpit to have any effect whatsoever. Nor did I expect the aero on the sticky-outy bit of the airplane cockpit to be worse than a 1x4 wedge. That's super useful info, cause I bet you could perfect-aero a go-kart seat for less weight than the airplane cockpit itself.
I feel like this is doable with 10 gimbals if it's light and aerodynamic enough, I haven't seen the full vid yet so we'll see
You were definitely right lol!
Well technically yes, but actually no
3 :)
That was close guess IT WAS 3!!! bruh heeeeehhhhck
I had the same estimation aaaand it was WAY lower than that
I love to see things flying in mid-air. While I'm more a sailsman, I know my physics.
If you put the cockpit upside down, glas on the bottom. Then 2 gimbal jets on the cockpit and some wedges to make it all streamlined. This is more balanced and still a small footprint for resistance.. Just like a boat, balance everything out, only this time it's upside down! ⛵️
as far as im concerned that leaves 2 more sound of speed challenges: can you throw something at the speed of sound, can you reach speed of sound by freefaling
I believe he already did the free fall one actually
@@killian_hook_jonesyeah he didn’t build it but it’s in a video
He did it with tnt once 😂
your background is so good
i never expected to see kirby, link and wunpus alongside suspension mugs
truly by the power of wedges, anything is possible
This video is proof that everything has a better version
lol the title for this video should be "how few gimbal jets do i need to break the sound barrier"
I've done it with two, you just need to put the gimballs vertical to dispose of the extra blocks and use a lighter seat, but with the aero in front
I guessed 6. The 28 at the start convinced me of your 15, and then I was so proud seeing 6 work and 4 fail. Then you went and managed it with three and I am now impressed
i was 6 aswell
learned a lot about aerodynamics in trailmakers from this
I'd guess 6. Maybe 6-8, 8 being the MOST I think it could take. With perfect aerodynamics I'd be amazed if it took less than 5.
200~ kmph each, with perfect aerodynamics to reduce diminishing returns, means I think 224 * 6 = 1,344 kmph give or take for diminishing returns.
After watching: WOW! It took 3?! I'm blown away. Aerodynamics counts for so, so, so much more in this game than I thought.
Interesting. So basically a new funny "stack 'em and physics go out the window" glitch in TM. ;)
33 seconds???? Wow, good morning scrapman
Your background is incredible! It's really cool, I love it lol! Continue making it better though, we want more things back there!
This video blew my mind, I wish there was a huge map to see how fast we can go by adding more thrusters, like: is 10.000km/h doable?
simply put. no
its mach 8 which is literally impossible both in game and irl
aka 3 kilometres every second
@@Rainstalker this would clearly be possible in a vacuum, and given advances in material sciences, could in theory by possible in atmosphere as well.
If you're going for extremely fast things you should *always* use the lightest seat you can, having a go kart seat with 4x1 wedges in front of it is not only lighter than a cockpit seat but is also more aerodynamic as the 4x1 wedge is the most aerodynamic block in the game.
Also, if you see no aerodynamic arrows it means that block doesn't generate drag, that actually goes for 99% of the aesthetic blocks (only exception is the sound block)
Also, you could've just turned the gimbal jets vertically so you dont need the connector blocks while also being able to place 4x1 wedge blocks on the top.
I legit guessed 3 just as a joke I said to my friend "watch it's like 3 lmao" I'm so shocked.
I initialled guessed 6(my reasoning being that yes there might be some diminishing return, but not enough to outweigh the fact that each additional gimblejet, have to carry a smaller and smaller % of the seat), and got really discouraged when he needed 28 initially... did NOT expect aerodynamics to have THAT big of an impact, that I ended up having overestimating in the end...
Tried to make a 2 gimbal jet version and got to 1175! So close yet so farXD! It is on the workshop if anyone wants to see it and/or try and make it better.
19:38 You're ON ScrapMan!
I shall send you a link/image in the scrapyard soon when I succeed. 😅🤣
Sometimes i think scrap man is a genius and sometimes he does things like this, I just about had a stroke when he didn't flip the gimbals
Gravity is cheating
yup
That was... actually pretty damn impressive.
You'll likely only need 13 gimbals with some aerodynamics.
My guess was very obviously wrong.
YEAH MORE LIKE 3
That was a good guess
i guessed 8 gimbals and felt bad about it, didn’t feel bad about it anymore as soon as you put the wedges on 😂
For some reason gimbal jets can also pull you down.
I will only admit this: I only thought "watch aerodynamics play a larger role than weight. But I would've never thought 3. My guess was 5.
I reached 1131 kph with 2 gimbals on my first try
Then I broke the sound barrier with 3 gimbals all set to .82 power
It seems you need at least the power of 2.46 gimbals(though possibly as low as 2.4, due to added weight of the extra gimbal jet and varying craft design)
Pro tip: if you use a go-kart seat with an extra block and some wedges, it's just as aerodynamic as well as being 10kg lighter (22lbs)
Dude I literally said “AT LEAST 50!”
This video is so nastalgic for me, I was laughing my hearth off when I saw my joke guess of 5 was one away lol.
Great times.
I genuinely guessed 2 because one time I was using gimbals to make a plane go forward cause funny, but at the start I was trying to see the max speed I could get and with 2 and lots of optimization I got to 1100 kph, it was a waste of time for me tho. Also, I remade your design for 2 gimbals and I got to 1138 kph so far.
I mentally guessed 10 as soon as I saw the 1 gimbal got you to 200.
Thats wild you got down to 5
Edit: 3.
That's actually insane
3
My guess was 15 when I saw the first gimbal (Did not expect scrapman's guess to be also 15 lol) kinda mind blown how just aerodynamics cut down like more than 90% of gimbals
possible optimizations:
rotate gimbals to eliminate 1x2 connectors
use operator seat, attach gimbals to bottom so there's no extra side aero to deal with
Attaching gimbals to bottom would make it very unstable, unable to go straight kinda like over steering, vechicle would flip upside down, so weight is back at its place.
What I always do building a drone is putting them as high(and wide) as possible, so they auto stabilize the drone without any logic
The point is to flip upside down so seat is under the gimbals when flying
Doing the above fits vehicle into a 2x2 horizontal footprint so you only need the 4 wedges
My guess was actually 25, so i was pretty good with my guess, im surprised! (for the non-optimal version of course)
Same lol
Me at the beginning: 3
Me after scrapman makes his prediction: 18
Day 1 of telling Scrapman to break the sound barrier with a mini-thruster
hey for the 2 gimbal design id imagine you could rotate the gimbals to have the attachments facing upwards, get rid of all the aerodynamics other than infront of the gimbal and the seat, and replace the seat with a go kart seat, and i think that would be faster (also dont forget the rudder)
You could have put the gimble jets sideways to lose weight from the connectors since they always push down.
Best background shelf ever I love it
you could probably do it with one if you reversed the direction of the gimall at the top of the map.
@18:30 spin and wobble are proof of imbalance. The wind resistance alone on the cockpit cover is enough to create wobble, and you aren't balancing the craft on all 4 sides.
Day 5 of asking Scrapman to search for Drift trike bike in the Trailmakers workshop
Scrapman is wierded out about wonky aerodynamics when there are 0 resistance glitch creations
Day 10 of asking Scrapman to play Besiege
Yes
YESSSS
I think he already has
@@bumblebee7508 yh but its way bether now
This is so cool!😊
early gang =========>
Yes
Early gang
@@HazzardouSolid nice pfp
Yes
No
With the gimbal checks because they automatically write you up words you could build a thing as long as you want and then when you turn them on they bring you straight up
I originally predicted 8, and was severely disappointed when it went up to 28 without aerodynamic adjustments....
I am happily surprised that I guessed wrong.
You should do a multiplayer monday where you make gliders, but have a gimble thruster on a timer, then you fall and try to glide as far as you can.
I actually said 3.
Because i have done this same test before, i already knew the answer.
@14:10 Your cockpit is slightly heavier on one side, which creates a slight wobble... if you can somehow balance it on all 4 sides, i think it would improve performance.
The Sonic boom sound is like an ASMR sound whit some subwoofers.
I honestly thought 3 because I know how powerful gimbal jets are and I also knew that if he modified the aerodynamics then 3 could do it.
Your background is looking SO good right now
My guess was 10, never expected three after the initial flight. After finishing the video, I can almost guarantee two is "possible", but it might take some significant time and effort to achieve.
the sheer amount of plot twists hahahaha
why do i feel like im in a scrap mechanic warehouse during the intro
At 1100 the aerodynamics of the extra wedge force your angle off so your no longer flying straight up, hence the speed increase
@19:30 balance it propperly.
Gimble jets are OP; they have about as much thrust as 3 or 4 thrusters. My guess is 4(with aero).
17:23 new merrh shirt - i just broke the sound barrier with 3 gimbles
One time I was playing trailmakers peacefully and my aircraft glitched so fast I broke the sound and thus got the badge
Can you and the guys do a Trailmakers evolution race where you use skis instead of wheels? The power core gain per evolution could be three.
Try and break the sound barrier with a constantly changing velocity, a.k.a. Rotation, try and make the worlds fastest gyroscope! ( that or make a spin-launch system)
Maybe the 2 gimbal jet would work with a less weighted seat
I guessed 12 and thought I was being ballsy by guessing 3 under you. Did not think the difference in our guesses would be the actual answer.
*Me actually guessing how many*: 15
*ScrapMan*: 15
My 15 is better Scrapman
My sister just told me a funny joke
The funny thing about life is that nobody makes it out alive 😆
Sanic: "i dont know why but i feel vaguely threatened"
Love the new background
I literally guessed 15 as well! Guess I was wrong though lol. This was a fun experiment.
Love the background man
I guessed 8 as a joke because I was like "no way 8 will ever be enough". Guess I was proven wrong 🤣
Keep doing your best ScrapMan
3:11 Wow, i had the same guess. Great minds think alike.
Man I love these videos
REACH THE SPEED OF LIGHT IN TRAILMAKERS!
"lets see how much faster" *Commits Mach 2*
Pro tip: the cosmetic chrome connector thingie (don't know it's english name) is 2.5 times lighter than the standard 1x2 flat connector.
That was soo unexpected i dont play the game soo i don't really know much about it but was really shocked at how it turned out at the end
Try the cannon one again but use 5 humble thrusters and one of the smallest cannons😊
The Trailmakers community workshop: in a nutshell
The power of wedge gang has rise once again!
Bro there was a kid in history class watching this exact video 💻 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
The shelves are looking so FUN!
ight, so i aint even cappin at all, you said to guess how many would reach the sound barrier, i guessed 5, then u needed 28 and i was like ight dang it, then u put the aero stuff on there and u went to 15, still to fast and i had some hope, then u did 6 it had some to spare, then 4 and i was like "dont make it, dont make it, dont make it" then it didnt make it and i was like nahh no way i guessed that like a min in the vid lmao. anyway love ur vids man, i hope u see this bc you rlly brought me through some tough things ever since 2020, please make more hide and seeks haha