This video is probably one of the most relevant videos for anyone worried about taking a long trip with an ev. Like you said. Not just range, and not just charging speed. Both contribute. That said, as long as there is good infrastructure, I'd say charging speed is a bit more important. Until that's true though, range matters more than it should.
Absolutely agree. Here in the US road tripping in a non Tesla could be an unforgettable experience. Hopefully that will start to change once others can at least partially use the Supercharger Network. With a good infrastructure range will not be as important.
I think it's also worth mentioning that if you have two cars that score identically in the 10% challenge, the car that is slower-charging but more efficient is going to cost you a lot less money at public chargers than the one that is faster-charging, but less efficient. With public charging now up to 50-60 cents/kWh, the difference over hundreds of miles can add up fast. Just like in the ICE world, where road tripping in a Prius will cost you less money than doing the same trip in an F150.
Just did a 1200 mile round trip from SF Bay Area to Palm Desert in a 2022 XC40 Recharge. 8 DCFC stops on total. Could have avoided two stops if I could have AC charged overnight at hotel stop in Santa Barbara. Hotel charging at destination and at SLO on way home made for fewer DCFc stops. I saw 153 kW usually and even 160 kW once at an EA 350 kW station. Car was very consistent in charge speed. EA mostly worked fine except for too few stations at some locations.
We did a camping road trip, MYLR with a Tentsla, FL to KY, family of 5 and 2 large dogs. We made it, it was epic. We do a lot of road tripping, got 30k miles in less than a year. EV road trips are the best with kids. We have to stop to eat or use the bathroom at least every 2 hrs anyways. Then we stay longer with such a big family so most time getting close to 100% charge since we stopped for 45min or more. Just feels so much more relaxing even if it takes longer.
This is a good video my opinion if i have me a tesla i drive in the city not roadtrip im not sure if the battery can handle well on road trip instead i rather rent a gas car to get there more quicker
Most road trips are under 400 miles, also most people don't take more than 4 trips a year. Relax just enjoy life, enjoy the journey. We have been road tripping since 2012 in evs never an issue yet.
I took my ‘21 M3 SR+ (RWD) on a road trip from CA to KY, 5,500 miles total. Numbers: Total energy used: ~1,301 kWh Efficiency: 242 Wh/mile Charging time average: ~24 min/stop Distance between stops: Averaged ~125 miles (approx 2 hours) Cost: $526.00 (all at Superchargers) Conclusion: As Ryan said, this is the cheapest, smallest, slowest (both top speed and charging rate) model Tesla makes. I saved about $10,000 when I bought mine in Feb 2021 over the M3 LR. And this is also the most efficient and least expensive to operate Tesla model (my lifetime efficiency is 237 Wh/mile at 40,000 miles). As for road tripping, this vehicle is fantastic. I didn’t pay for extra batteries I’d seldom, if ever, use, and it has a ton of get up and go, and with the RWD, it is a blast to drive on mountain roads! Plus it has a great amount of space for gear and luggage for my road trips! Great video, Max and Ryan!
This is a great review on a very confusing subject for non-EV owners. If only some EV owners would understand that a 100% charge is unnecessary when road-tripping.
I have a 2023 Model 3 RWD as well. It is a wonderful road tripper. 5%-70% in 20 minutes and you’re off to the next charger. Plus you get more daily range with the resilience of the LFP pack.
Is that range test and efficiency test tool or spreadsheet you show available publicly somewhere? It looks far easier to reference than going back to old out of spec review videos everytime I'm comparing vehicles and trying to scribble down results😂
The part that is missed is that on a road trip you will only want to charge to 80% as most cars charge very slow past that point, so a larger battery even if slightly less efficient is still going to be the better choice, just not in that Hummer lol
The standard metric for internal combustion engines is miles per gallon. That is focused on efficiency. The unfortunate standard metric for electric vehicles is range not efficiency. Let’s consider miles per kilowatt hour as the better metric for EV efficiency.
Wow, what an intelligent boys explaining efficiency, you just meet me go by Nissan leaf which has small battery pack that goes only hundred miles but it charges in three hours get a life guys this is so stupid
I feel like this video has no substance. No facts, just feeling. Like a general video that ai could write. Give some specs of the car you’re in. Pricing. Maintenance cost over ownership period. Your general experience with the supercharger network. Kilowatt charging max at those stops. Safety at locations etc.
This video is probably one of the most relevant videos for anyone worried about taking a long trip with an ev. Like you said. Not just range, and not just charging speed. Both contribute.
That said, as long as there is good infrastructure, I'd say charging speed is a bit more important. Until that's true though, range matters more than it should.
Absolutely agree.
Here in the US road tripping in a non Tesla could be an unforgettable experience. Hopefully that will start to change once others can at least partially use the Supercharger Network.
With a good infrastructure range will not be as important.
I love how well you explain the advantages of using a more efficient EV and even with a smaller battery.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that if you have two cars that score identically in the 10% challenge, the car that is slower-charging but more efficient is going to cost you a lot less money at public chargers than the one that is faster-charging, but less efficient. With public charging now up to 50-60 cents/kWh, the difference over hundreds of miles can add up fast. Just like in the ICE world, where road tripping in a Prius will cost you less money than doing the same trip in an F150.
Very good observation to point out
The miles per dollar at 50 to 60 cents per kWh is as bad as a mediocre gasoline car.
@@gregorymalchuk272 Very true
Even at 40 cents at least in my area, my old Mustang got roughly equivalent to 40 cents per kw
Exactly the reasoning for my choice of EV. great charge speed and curve, is pretty efficient, and middle of the road battery size. Ioniq 6 AWD
I'm leaning towards the Ioniq 6 RWD for basically those reasons -- combination of great charging speed and efficiency.
Just did a 1200 mile round trip from SF Bay Area to Palm Desert in a 2022 XC40 Recharge. 8 DCFC stops on total. Could have avoided two stops if I could have AC charged overnight at hotel stop in Santa Barbara. Hotel charging at destination and at SLO on way home made for fewer DCFc stops. I saw 153 kW usually and even 160 kW once at an EA 350 kW station. Car was very consistent in charge speed. EA mostly worked fine except for too few stations at some locations.
We did a camping road trip, MYLR with a Tentsla, FL to KY, family of 5 and 2 large dogs. We made it, it was epic. We do a lot of road tripping, got 30k miles in less than a year. EV road trips are the best with kids. We have to stop to eat or use the bathroom at least every 2 hrs anyways. Then we stay longer with such a big family so most time getting close to 100% charge since we stopped for 45min or more. Just feels so much more relaxing even if it takes longer.
This is a good video my opinion if i have me a tesla i drive in the city not roadtrip im not sure if the battery can handle well on road trip instead i rather rent a gas car to get there more quicker
Lol the jacket 🧥 is so great. I really enjoyed the whole OFS team . You guys are great.
Most road trips are under 400 miles, also most people don't take more than 4 trips a year. Relax just enjoy life, enjoy the journey. We have been road tripping since 2012 in evs never an issue yet.
Just noticed the interactive graph was available at the out of spec studios website. Awesome!!!!
I have watched a lot of videos about EVs, this is the most useful and sensible discussions I've ever heard. Thank you and keep up the good work
I took my ‘21 M3 SR+ (RWD) on a road trip from CA to KY, 5,500 miles total.
Numbers:
Total energy used: ~1,301 kWh
Efficiency: 242 Wh/mile
Charging time average: ~24 min/stop
Distance between stops: Averaged ~125 miles (approx 2 hours)
Cost: $526.00 (all at Superchargers)
Conclusion: As Ryan said, this is the cheapest, smallest, slowest (both top speed and charging rate) model Tesla makes. I saved about $10,000 when I bought mine in Feb 2021 over the M3 LR. And this is also the most efficient and least expensive to operate Tesla model (my lifetime efficiency is 237 Wh/mile at 40,000 miles). As for road tripping, this vehicle is fantastic. I didn’t pay for extra batteries I’d seldom, if ever, use, and it has a ton of get up and go, and with the RWD, it is a blast to drive on mountain roads! Plus it has a great amount of space for gear and luggage for my road trips!
Great video, Max and Ryan!
This is a great review on a very confusing subject for non-EV owners. If only some EV owners would understand that a 100% charge is unnecessary when road-tripping.
Were the puffer jackets on sale? Please share link?
Are there any plans to get ahold of the new 2024 kona refresh and run some tests with it?
Thanks guys. Great tips!
I have a 2023 Model 3 RWD as well. It is a wonderful road tripper. 5%-70% in 20 minutes and you’re off to the next charger. Plus you get more daily range with the resilience of the LFP pack.
Is that range test and efficiency test tool or spreadsheet you show available publicly somewhere? It looks far easier to reference than going back to old out of spec review videos everytime I'm comparing vehicles and trying to scribble down results😂
you guys really need magazine for those untapped market
Great video
The part that is missed is that on a road trip you will only want to charge to 80% as most cars charge very slow past that point, so a larger battery even if slightly less efficient is still going to be the better choice, just not in that Hummer lol
Is that casey nesitant? LOL
The standard metric for internal combustion engines is miles per gallon. That is focused on efficiency. The unfortunate standard metric for electric vehicles is range not efficiency. Let’s consider miles per kilowatt hour as the better metric for EV efficiency.
Typical values are 3.5 to 4 miles per kWh.
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Wow, what an intelligent boys explaining efficiency, you just meet me go by Nissan leaf which has small battery pack that goes only hundred miles but it charges in three hours get a life guys this is so stupid
I feel like this video has no substance. No facts, just feeling. Like a general video that ai could write. Give some specs of the car you’re in. Pricing. Maintenance cost over ownership period. Your general experience with the supercharger network. Kilowatt charging max at those stops. Safety at locations etc.
So, you want a 3 hour video?
@@SpottedSharks It's not the length, it's the substance. But I'm done with social media for awhile. Enjoy your videos.