HANGING ON BY A SHOESTRING! The Downfall of Tyrrell (1980-1998)
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- Ken Tyrrell managed to have this operation run on virtually nothing (by F1 standards) for 18 years or so. And instead of it completley collapsing like Lotus, Brabham, Larrouse and so on did, he managed to end it on his own terms.
But it's not so much 'they had no money' it was that they consistantly came up with ideas that were good, but couldn't develop because they had no money. The operation was well-run, just didn't have the money to take any ideas to the next level, and as a result stood still as people managed to develop.
So, by the end, they were a bit of a meme. But the DNA runs pretty strong, at least.
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Maurice Hamilton did a good piece on all this a few years ago for Motorsport Magazine, from which some of the more detailed stuff you might find interesting came from for this video. You can read the whole thing here: www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/september-2020/86/the-fall-of-giants/
One wonders if Tyrrell switched to Goodyear for 1991 if it would have helped. 1992 seemed to prove this - De Cesaris was fantastic that season.
I actually saw the 1990 019 do some demo laps at Suzuka in 2018 (driven by Kazuki Nakajima, it was his dad's car.) The DFR sounded very sick though...it only appeared on the Friday.
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Asthmatic Bloke
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I ❤ the dry British humour 😂😂😂
Ken Tyrrell was a master at running a team on almost no money & not going into debt. In the '90s Tyrrell was reckoned to be operating on a budget of £5m, vs around £35-40m for Williams & McLaren (who were not having to pay for their engines either) were often a respectable midfield team performance wise (reliability cost them so many points). He also had a great eye for drivers.
Mika Salo could be worthy of a video (if you haven't done so already). An very promising & skilled driver whose career just didn't progress & he got stuck in uncompetitive Tyrrells & an Arrows for 4 years. Then without a drive, 1999 turned into his 'super sub' year. He finally got a competitive car and was set to win a race on merit, but had to move aside for his team mate.
His reward was a seat on the grid again, but Sauber had gone from being a midfield leader to the back again. Then he got signed by a manufacturer team at last, one with limitless resources and could afford a year of full-time testing before entering F1. Success at last?... Unfortunately that manufacturer was Toyota.
thanks for providing the main source.👍
Hi Aidan I’m Harvey’s son. Very interesting. Thank you.
I think 1997 was the final straw for Ken. Two decent drivers, a well-drilled crew, the car got faster with every session and they were fighting for minor places, barring the no-stop special at Monaco. It's when he finally realised "there's nothing more I can do".
I have a family friend who works for Merc now. He was employed by Ken himself when he started as a 'tea boy'
I will protect his identity but he has told me before about Ken's wife doing the teams packed lunch!
Another fun fact about the Tyrrell P34 / Braham Fan car - they both got their only wins at the Swedish Grand Prix.
Jackie Stewart never had a formal contract with Ken Tyrrell for two reasons. First, the two men trusted each other implicitly. Second, Stewart is profoundly dyslexic, and couldn't have read the contract anyway
I didn't know he was dyslexic. Makes his career that much more impressive!
@@Dat-Mudkip In his autobiography he explains how he got his son tested for Dyslexia as he was having problems at school and while he was there the doctor then asked Jackie if he had ever been tested and suggested he do as well. It was then that Jackie found out he was Dyslexic himself as are both his sons and several grandkids, and he said that at that moment it explained a whole lot of stuff in his life (I am paraphrasing here) and that "I was not actually thick" (he suffered at school heavily). He says in is book how difficult it was driving round the UK for races and not being able to read the road signs properly!! Jackie Stewart is responsible for promoting Dyslexia charities in Scotland amongst other places. Proper legend. I heavily suggest you seek out his autobiography (Actually I need to go read it again as it has been a while). Not only a fascinating read on his racing life but private and charitable as work as well. Amazing man. As an aside I once found a copy in a local charity shop (I already owned the book and had no idea why I picked it up), opened it up only to find it was a signed copy. I was gobsmacked. I bought it for a quid and it is now safely tucked away in a safe place! (sorry this is a bit long)
@@moreheff A signed copy for just a quid? That's an amazing find!!
@@Dat-Mudkip Isn't it? I also checked it online to confirm it is a genuine signature as well!
@@moreheff I got a signed copy of Murray walker's autobiography for £1. Years ago my mum came home from the doctors where there was a book drop off. She brought it home and the first I looked at it noticed it was signed by the man himself. A lucky find indeed
A little fun fact:
In 1998 Takagi was personaly sponsored by Mild Seven on his helmet and I think also his driver suit. At the same time you could already find the name "British American Tobacco" on the nose of the Tyrrell. This means two rival companies put money in the same Team at that point.
Technically it was a BAR logo, not a BAT logo, on the nose in 1998, but that is the splittiest of split hairs
There might have been a point where a Marlboro driver drove a Camel car as well.
Alboreto in 1989 with Tyrrell and Larrousse, think it caused him to leave the team halfway through.
talking about fag sponsorship, Tyrell was a breath away from signing rothmans as title sponsor in 1989 for 1990 so much so blue & white rothmans livery was left blank on the cars and trucks in1990!
There was De Cesaris, who drove for Legier, sponsored by Gitanes, whilst he himself was sponsored by Marlborough
I remember when ken passed away and ITV F1 did a piece about him and even though i was only 6/7 years old it was easy to see why it was a big loss to motorsport even if he hadnt been in F1 for a few years by that point, One story that sticks out is the one brundle tells about basically lying that he had 150k worth of sponsorship money to put into the team for a drive, ken knowing he didn't have it but signed him anyway. says everything about the man IMO
My favourite Tyrrell/Stewart moment... Mid 90s and Aussie commentator Darrell Eastlake was co-hosting the Australian GP TV broadcast with Sir Jackie. Tyrrell were just clinging to the back of the grid in practice and qualli; so Eastlake has a laugh and says he wonders why such obviously crap teams with no chance keep showing up, and the team's bit of a joke, really. Que a few brilliant minutes of Eastlake (a big bloke with a big personality and mouth to match) getting very firmly put in his place by Sir Jackie Stewart. And me laughing my arse off on the couch.
Woah woah woah hold up!!! Someone wanted to bring Riccardo Tosser in instead of keeping Jos Verstappen!? No wonder Ken was pissed!!!
Almost at the ‘Roberto Moreno story time’ figure 😂😁👍🏻
Tyrrell still had some life as late as 1994, after that Mika Salo propped them up and once he left, that was it.
The 1995 Tyrrell, despite the poor results, features one of my favorite liveries. Is my favorite to use in videogames that feature the 1995 season.
Nokia livery ❤
@@robbienl8176brought by Mika Salo I'm sure?
The 018 and 019 I still say are two of the best looking f1 cars ever. Especially the 019
Watching Tyrrell back then was so frustrating! They were so often ahead of the field when it came to new ideas in engineering, but suffered from lack of money to develop them. It's right that the team still exists in its way, unlike so many. Just a shame that Ken didn't live long enough to see some of the success.
Have you heard that the wooden hut that Tyrell used to build the cars, has been restored and is on displayed at Good wood?
I think the main difference between Eddie and Ken is all the drivers who left Jordan did so before their contracts ended, hence why Eddie got compensation.
Eddie would have done it anyway. Nobody left without paying.
Another important difference is that "Uncle" Ken knew all the tricks in the book and then some. Tyrrell pulled off some amazing cheats but also built some cars that were amazing, so in a way Tyrrell showed both the good and the bad side of an F1 team.
Love the downfall series, would love a dive into the downfall of Jordan going from 1999 title contenders to battling for 9th with minardi before being sold in 2004
I think he did that one already
@@samuelivascu7633 I think I did too, unless it was one of the older ones that vanished end of 2020
Gives me a reason to re do it I guess.
interesting that Alesi put out that show on the older car in 1990, which makes his performance even more remarkable
My introduction to F1 was in 1995 - via the F1 game on the PlayStation.
When I see you posting a new video about teams like Tyrrell, Simtek, Forti etc I get immediate flashbacks to my young self trying to win the championship with Mimo Schiatterella.
Absolutely love it.
My first full f1 season was 1995. Although i watched bits and pieces of seasons before then
Dear Mr. Aidan, actually Tyrrell started without sponsorship at the beginning of F.1 season 1981.
The previous year, and in 1979, they had Candy sponsored livery and drivers: #3 Jean Pierre Jarier and #4 Derek Daly. Things became though in 1981 when they started completely "blue" livery in Kyalami and then in Brazil and Argentina. Drivers were Eddie Cheever Jr., Desiré Wilson, Kevin Cogan and Ricardo Zunino. At the "1981 San Marino GP" Michele Alboreto took over Zunino' seat with the help of "Cerámica Imola" sponsorship.
I always have had a soft spot for the old teams like Minardi, Tyrrell, and Team Lotus, this was a lovely simple video to educate those who don't know about the history of the sport.
I have always maintained that the current Merc team are still 'Tyrrell', and I'll never stop referring to them as the grand old team who was formed in a simple shed in Ockham....
RIP 'Uncle' Ken. Forever missed 😢
fun fact; in 1989 Tyrell was on the brink of getting Rothmans as title sponsor. It was a done deal so they had the 1990 cars & team truck in Rothmans colors. When Rothmans pulled out at the 11th hour they just kept the Rothmans white and blue livery
The funny thing regarding the hiring Rosset in 1998 is that Norberto Fontana was considered for the seat alongside Toranasuke Takagi after he was denied a seat at Sauber (even though he did the J.O.B. he was asked for at the final race at Jerez). He even signed a draft contract with Ken Tyrrell for the season until BAT interfered and put Rosset, who was bringing additional sponsorship, instead. I'd argue that Fontana would've fared better than Rosset - in the 4 races with Sauber, he finished 9th twice. And he wasn't a slouch either - he was 1995 German F3 champion and raced in Japan in Formula Nippon (today is called Super Formula) with varying degree of success.
IIRC, the brief foray Honda had into running a factory team for 1999 had a Tyrrell tie. Postlethwaite designed the car with a number of other Tyrell hands involved. In early testing it was among the fast runners with Verstappen driving. But Postlethwaite died suddenly of a heart attack and Honda withdrew as a named team, letting BAR use their engines.
My favourite Tyrrell car is the 6 wheeler from the 70s.
Tyrrell are now essentially Mercedes of course. After Tyrrell... BAR, Honda, Brawn, now Mercedes.
I remember when officially Ken was off, there was a lot of sadness in the paddock, and a lot of warmness towards this team I only ever knew was always at the back. When the F1 programmes did some mini features on the team's history, it made much more sense!
Then he died three years later.
I seem to remember he briefly remained in the paddock for a few other races as a VIP guest of one of the other teams...It was a nice touch & showed the respect Ken had in the pitlane.
2:40 - that huge front wing is an aerodynamic cover for the front suspension and wheels. These days the suspension arms are built in an aerodynamic shape.
1k away from the Robert Moreno story 🙌🙌
Let's make it happen!!!
Have my rejection letter from Tyrrell , signed by a certain Mr Gascoyne, framed up on my toilet wall. I joined Reynard the following month, so as Alan Partridge would quip "Needless to say, i had the last laugh" 😅😅😅😅
That outlook would mostly depend on exactly when you joined Reynard.
It’s good that Ken was able to end the team on his own terms although he wouldn’t be able to have a long retirement as he passed away in 2001 from pancreatic cancer age 77
Tyrrell were always my favourite of the back markers. So much history and innovation in the sport, even in the later years they were coming up with new ideas on a shoestring budget.
Usually excellent chassis but lack of development funds .
Ken Tyrrell was already 65 years old in 1990. At this point would be extremely hard for him to change his way of running things.
Check the rear slicks on Stewart 's championship car! More rubber on one slick than all four now! Never much of a Jackie fan but the Blue Matras became my favorite!
I remember reading a tale from when after BAT/Craig Pollack had bought Tyrrell & was preparing for the debut '99 season, & so flush with cash & determined to start anew & do it 'Craig's Way' that any & everything remaining Tyrrell-wise (after Paul Stoddart had cherry-picked what he wanted...) was simply junked & dumped into skips, including the big workshop tool vault toolboxes still full of tools...😢
good… the very same thing will be done when some genderX baboon 🧴🫧🧼🧹🧽🛀😷 finally leaves Mercedes
Ken Tyrell was just a unique cat. Lived F1 on his own terms better than just about anyone.
Ken’s shed, was recently relocated, and now is preserved at Goodwood.
I remember a video with Ken Tyrrell saying "read my leaps, he is staying", answering about Alesi leaving the team for the following year. So I doubt Tyrrell took any money from Alesi's move to Ferrari.
I admire Tyrrell. Lots of innovation, a well-organized team, and great spirit, with people who have worked there saying it was the best company they have ever worked.
Many things could not be seen, because they were back markers, like making the best pit stop times.
Also, they used to design and build their own gearboxes, which few teams can do.
Great racers, but the business part was missing.
The very first F1 Car I saw live The Tyrrell 011. 1982 Detroit GP. They would win the next year. Alboreto. Another one of my faves.
There is something very beautiful about the final Tyrrell. I remember back in 1998 and despite the fact that I was just 9 years old, I thought that car looks really good. With this little curv along the nose. 😊
Might consider to buy a model car of it for my collection 😁
Sorry to bother you again, Mr. Aidan. Did you ever know about Count "Gughi" Zanon di Valgiurata? He, and his cousin Vittorio were Michele Alboreto patrons at the time he joined Tyrrell. Also he "patronized" Ronnie Peterson when in 1976 he switched from Team Lotus to March #10 (taking the seat of Lella Lombardi). And again at the end of 1977 when Ronnie re-joined Chapman. Also was a close friend of Frank Williams, and not least he managed for freeing Ayrton Senna from Toleman contract in September 1984 after the Brazilian was suspended from racing at Monza. And other "racing" stories in motorsports.
Tyrrell, more often than not, put out a decent chassis but reliability was a big issue for them with those Yamaha V10s, as well as being down on power when compared to the teams around them. Katayama's engine let go twice in the opening 5 races from good positions in 1994; Blundell also had a few engine failures - in 1994, they should have scored much more than 5 points.
The 019 was one of the most beautiful F1 cars ever made.
Another interesting vid. Thanks. Your enthusiasm shines through. By the way, I'm still playing Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 4!
I have so many questions about that 6-wheeler
man, that 1991 car looks great. Thanks for the video and all your effort!
3:45 The six wheeler would later become an Evil Decepticon - Drag Strip from The Stunticons, who appropriately is a win at all costs egomanic
0:30 - Think you might be under-selling Brabham’s 1970s & 80s hot-shot designer Gordon Murray on the innovation list there. I recall he invented the quick wheel-change to turn pit stops into a strategy, tyre warmers to augment that and a bunch of other tricks that still exist on Formula 1 cars today.
Adrian Newey is on the same level as Gordon Murray, if you disagree I would recommend reading his book, it might change your mind
Apparently in 2009, Ross Brawn almost called the team Tyrell!
Great video, pretty interesting how the whole DNA of Tyrell worked out as well
there is a documentary on yt u can find done by the bbc or some other british institution, lovely insight how it was in the 60s and 70s and the struggles he had thru all of his team career. bad luck with sponsors was a constant thing
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I did some quick research and it seems like the last time Tyrrell, Lotus and Brabham all scored points in a race was in Detroit in 1985 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Detroit_Grand_Prix#Race), with Tyrrell coming in 4th (Bellof), Lotus right behind in 5th (de Angelis) and then Brabham next in line at 6th (Piquet).
Interestingly enough, it was also the last time that any points would be scored with the Cosworth DFV.
I tried to find the last time that all three were on the podium, together, but gave up looking.
The last F1 drivers/owners that were pilots are gone for the most part. Even F1 motorcyclists are few, only (Sir) Lewis Hamilton and Adrian Newey are any that I know of. There must be more, but here in North America, Canada gets so overwhelmed with US media, it's hard to find out, even with Google. Good job, Aidan.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
1992 was a rather interesting year for Tyrell. Switching to Ilmor engines (the predecessor of what would become the Mercedes engine), a still decent car but as driver pairing Olivier Grouillard and Andrea de Cesaris. Getting P6 in the end but all points thanks to de Cesaris. That should have been a decent platform for the next season but in the year of active suspension being all the rage you can't get much. Heck Footwork bought the active suspension from Mclaren and it didn't help much either
Interesting stuff. Just one point- Stewart’s championship winning car in 1969 was the MS80 not the MS10. That was the ‘68 car.
3:36 lol I never knew there was a freggin window for the hand on this car
The window was there so the driver could see where the wheels were pointing.
Since you have done videos on the decline of teams in F1, you should do the same with NASCAR teams. Robert Yates Racing, Junior Johnson Racing & Furniture Row Racing are all teams that you could do videos on as all of these teams had multiple wins & even won the NASCAR championship at one point in time. It would be a great way to introduce the history of the sport to new fans.
That would be a great video, and he's done several NASCAR videos.
When the carnage happened in Spa in 1998 one of the driver criticisms of the incident David Kennedy had in his commentary for Irish television was that Rosset crashed head on into the middle of it because he didn't brake in time even though he should have had time to react by the time he arrived on the scene. I don't remember him at Monaco that year but that crash at Spa is my memory of him from 1998. Ken Tyrell was right not to want him.
Keep up the great work mate, these uploads are fantastic
Been enjoying your content for ages. Thanks 👍
Looking forward to a video on the history of BRM!
The genius of Tony Rudd...👌
A lot of parallels to modern Williams
great video, youre one of my favourite content creators
I liked the Rosset/Tosser story. Hadn't heard that before.
Ken Tyrrell was at times a fighter and at times a gentleman and on certain days he was both but he was always 'Uncle Ken' to those who loved him.
I love how the '94 Tyrrell was sponsored by the 2002 World Cup. I remember seeing some ads for it in the '94 Japanese GP replays too (was in S Korea and Japan).
EDIT: I remember reading about the Monaco GP and switching of Rosset's letters in an article, but the article only mentioned it was rearranged to spell an 'inappropriate word'. I'm Canadian and tosser isn't in our vernacular, so I was wondering what this mysterious word was!
Tosser = wanker, jerkoff, etc.
It's a variation of wanker.
Aidan, thamese are great vids! Can you someday do one on the history of the Long Beach GP?
I remember as boy being a Tyrell supporter with Jackle Stewart. Fascinating to hear the full story of the team
Hello Aidan: Thank you very much this. I have a very soft spot for Ken and his ilk. Have a good day.
Awesome man. You work like a demon!
Tyrell and Chapman are my two favorite privateers. I miss the era of F1.
Williams are the modern day Tyrrell
Funnily enough that’s what Maurice Hamilton said in a reference piece.
Why does Williams continue to race in F1? They're a shadow of their former selves.
Up until the 006 Tyrrell (confusingly!) named the cars after the chassis number rather than design.. so the same design was given different numbers just because it was made into a different chassis (albeit with modifications as each one was made). So that's why only Cevert shows as using 002 in the results.
Thanks for that video.
A question raised every time I see it: why had some cars no engine cover back than?
In light of this, i need to ask if you're doing a video on Tyrrell's downfall from 2022 onwards?
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Reynard wanted Rosset because he tested for them for a while and raced Reynard chassis in F3000 and was very successful. Also Ricardo strongly suggested that they switched to Bridgestone because he tested those tires and said they were much better than Goodyears, but Ken said "we always had Goodyeard and we will keep it like that". That was also a big mistake. And about Monaco, with that clutch you could put Lewis to make that spin and he would end at the barrier. We all know how easy it is to make that kind of spin, specially if you had won several races in your career. But for some reason, (almost) everybody wants to keep the narrative, not the facts. Anyway, he tied Tora with a 8th place as the best result in 1998. Rosset was the guy brough in (and forced in some degree) by the new owners, dealing with the old staff, loyal to Ken. Apparently nobody puts that into the equation.
All I did is say what happened 🥺
Takagi was far faster than Rosset. Also, yes, the Bridgestones were better, however this does not excuse Rosset's horrid performance. He had driven on them in 1996 - where he was walloped by Jos Verstappen at Footwork.
@@palm92 Nobody used Bridgestones in 1996, everyone was on goodyears.
@@AidanMillward Sure, I know. I'm around since your fist story time and it is great content. But this Rosset story is always missing pieces. Not from you, but from everobody that tells it. I know you focused on Tyrrell, but at the same time, the "tosser" stuff was never confirmed to exist. And it was really weird that he had a better time on a Free Practice than on qualifying. I feel that the team had some explanation to do it. And never did. Tora always did the very few testing sessions they had. The first time Ricardo had a propper testing, a head to head challenge with Tom Kristinsen for his place btw, he went well and at the race he started ahead of Tora for the first time, in France. And before Monza Rosset finally got his engineer swaped and for the second time he quafilied ahead of Tora. Without explanation, for the next race, the engineer was changed back. So, he putted the car ahead Tora twice and everybody thinks he missed the 107% limit because he was bad? A F3000 race winner at his debut? Fits the meme, but not the real story...
@@AidanMillward Sorry weirdly phrased - he drove on Goodyears in 1996.
Great video
I'm waiting with baited breath for the BRM video, as a Lincolnshire lad please remember a Lincolnshire team.
I grew up in Holbeach, so not too far from Bourne.
Less than 1k to go 🎉🎉🎉
Yep. And then I’ll get non stop bombarded about Moreno. 😩
Get scribbling @@AidanMillward
@@JohnSmithShields nah I’m good.
@@AidanMillwardWell, you _did_ say, "Moreno at 100K"... And, the internet has long memory about those sort of things. Might as well bite the bullet and do that one 1 episode of raw meat they've been begging for, because if you actually do it and come and through for them, the plebes will love you _forever._
@@hippyjason yeah. I did say that. But it’s not like it’s going to click over to 100k and the Moreno video instantly appear.
It’ll probably be done once the play button arrives so a moment can be made of it.
About the 1970s 002 tyrell front wing:
It actually works really well for the time... It reduce the lift of the front wings and allow a sort of air dam to the underbelly of the car. It's sort of getting close to ground effects without venturi tunnels.
I will give that it is weird, but it does works.
I will also gives that we do have better solutions today - that doesn't mean it doesn't work, it's just that we got better tools now.
If you want something weird that doesn't work: the Ensign N179. That front wing doesn't work. Good idea to try, but somehow can't make it work.
Some Formula Atlantic cars in the early 1970's had that weird air dam/air wall at the front much like the Tyrrell 003.
Now I'm thinking of a situation the P34 had the same inflation as the power of turbo engines. We'd be around the "10 wheel car" by now.
1:43 - 7 foot asthmatic bloke, is that a reference to the Robot Chicken Palpatine’s phone call skit lmao?
Champion sparkplugs appeared to get a small placard for a few quid?
So close to 100k let’s go!!
Tyrrell were on the way down after '73, which was largely of their own making. Stewart gave Ken a lot of notice and signed Jody as Number 2 on the weekend Cevert died (worth pointing out here that Francois was never told this and died not knowing whether the was in the team or not for '74, which could have contributed to his accident by trying too hard) so the Number 2 became the Number 1 for '74. Ken should have signed a big name as a Number 1 and kept Scheckter as Number 2, but Ken lacked ambition. The subsequent 007 was built on a more conservative basis to accommodate 2 novice drivers and despite the odd day in the sun, never recovered.
Here's me eating Tyrrell's potato chips watching a Tyrrell video
Odd fact....Tyrell are one of only two teams to finish both first and last in the constructors championship. Who knows who the other one is?
Brabham and Williams?
*Actually, I forgot Andrea Moda existed, forget that I said Brabham 😂
@@Hab1tual1nfamy31 Yes, that's it. Brabham would have been last in 1992 had it not been for Moda - the fact hill got the car home twice in any position spared them finishing bottom.
Always sad too see a once great team wither away 😢
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Also, i had absolutely no idea some teams were still running V8's in 97.
Great job Aidan
98 was the first year they were all on V10s
Do this about Arrows as well ❤
Already did.
Alf Francis had to drive the truck for Stirling Moss but back then teams may have been only a few people
Amusing downfall stories. There are quite a few candidates.
Wow thank you
No Leaf Clover reference?!
In the words of James Hetfield: yeeeeaaaahhhh-ah!
Nearly there mate...
Obrigado!
That Star Wars reference 😂😂
Iirc Tyrrell wanted Fontana, not Verstappen, in tbe 1998 car. Pollock blocked it because of the Jerez lapping shenanigans
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'83 my man...
should have sold a percentage of the team to NEWEY and a top 3 driver.