THE ORIGINAL GUENTHER STEINER! The Downfall of the Minardi Team (2000-2005)
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Minardi was a team everyone had a soft spot for. They never won, they very rarely scored points, they were often last, but they were giving it a red hot go that captured the hearts of many that watched F1.
But in 2000, the team was sold in a bid to keep it alive, and it was purchased by the very vocal Australian Paul Stoddart, who seemed to constantly be battling with the FIA because he felt that they were out to end the team just because they weren't as rich as everyone else.
So what happened? Let's find out...
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Minardi was pretty much everyone's second team. If ever they got a point (whether as "pure" Minardi or under Stoddard), everyone (edit: not just Minardi; fans too!) celebrated like they won. _Real_ racers ☺️
100% agree!
They were my second team until Katayama joined in 97 which made them my first team and they stayed so until the last day.
I had an experience to hear Croatian commentator yelling like crazy when Baumgartner won P8 in US GP 2004 for them
Having Christian Fittipaldi is one of my first Minardi memories
We need more Paul Stoddarts in F1
We had one but Haas sacked him.
@@AidanMillward and the sport is poorer for it
Gene Haas will forever be a focking wanker
And Minardi's
@@AidanMillward and the sport is poorer for it
Fun fact: Alonso spent night and day in the shop helping them build the car to get it done on time to make the grid. Fernando is handy with a wrench. It’s unkind to say “they acted like they just won the championship.” I’d say, for what they were working with, that feat was more impressive than most of the teams winning a race.
Agreed. And let’s not forget the other teams brought the Minardi team cases of champagne to celebrate.
Stoddart was a scrap metal dealer who absolutely lucked out when he bought a handful of containers from the air force and a while later they realised the contents were very valuable and basically they needed them back.......that got him started in aero parts and on it rolled from there....From Reliant van to Minardi......
Give us some more details, pls
I fucking miss Minardi. One thing with Young is that his car never had power steering that year, only Webber. So he really did struggle with that car. And the shenanigans the Aussie Marshall’s were up to that race is worth a video on its own!
But hey...they won two races...as Toro Rosso and Alpha Tauri.....the Minardi dna is still there....the hq is still in the same location...
@@johnpatricklim4509 I think it's true regarding the two wins, the DNA of the team won those GPs. But now, the team is just a shell with just the marketing in Italy.
@@johnpatricklim4509 running Redbull cars then they changed rules...
Aiden " i can' t breathe well today ...i'll make a 20 minute video then "
legend !
At least Paul Stoddard was good for a laugh. His Indianapolis 2005 rant is hysterical to listen to.
It’s a facking faaaaaahhhce.
@@AidanMillward 'Can I swear on your channel? Are you sure?'
"Well the faaaahhce is goin' on and I'm going to have a cigarette behind the garage."
The fact that he asked if it was all right to swear on their channel tells you he doesn't know very much about the Dutch.
@@robertvenegas6113 I once called DHL in Amsterdam as I needed to speak to their lost and found department. The hold music was Smack My Bitch Up by Prodigy. I am not lying. I laughed my arse off.
I remember reading that in the early days, under Minardi himself, many in the circus would enjoy lunch at Minardi's, where all were welcomed with the best pasta in the paddock.
Was at the Melb GP when Webber scored that 5th place. You'd think he won the race with the noise of the crowd that day. The entire pit straight grand stand was shaking. It was incredible.
Minardi 1985-2005 RIP. I wasn't even an F1 during there tenure in this sport. But I love them. Perennial underdog.
Every real F1 fan must have been a Minardi fan; even if they supported someone else outwardly. Everyone was a Minardi fan
Webber did not score at Magny Cours, he finished 8th. 2002 was the last year with the 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system. In 2003 points went down to 8th. As always another great and informative video.
I was just about to write the same line :)
Those early Minardi cars were stunning.
I went to a few GP's between 2003 and 2007 and it was always heartening to see how much Minardi merchandise was visible in the crowds, the stalls were always selling it well too. They really were a Team for Everyone. Sadly missed but there just isn't a place for a team like theirs in the modern F1.
Always considered myself a 2000’s F1 anorak but had no idea about Wilux defaulting because of that livery
Jeez, that is low!
Minardi were the ultimate underdog team, F1 defnitely misses them
Great story! I had the pleasure of working with Paul at HVM in 2007 and it was one of my all time favorite years in my racing career. A straight shooter and a real fun guy to be around!
HVM has had a very storied, very long and wild career. Someone should do a documentary on it since they've been at the highest highs and the lowest of lows of Indy/CART/CCWS/reunified Indy and managed to survive all those despite some dark, dark days
The Beyond the Grid episode with Paul Stoddart is a great listen, lots of extra details, stories and swearing!
I met Paul Stoddart a few years ago at Silverstone, back when he was running the two seaters with some converted early 2000s Minardi cars. Genuinely lovely guy and the type of character I think a lot more teams could do with.
Great video. It was a sad day when the Minardi name disapeared from F1 and it would be lovely to have at least one more privateer team but the reality is it eatheier needs somebody like Jeff Bazos to turn up or for F1 to get much less expensive and i don't see wither of those things happening any time soon
This is a nice story, thanks for telling it.
Minardi had Ferrari engines in the early 1990's.
Martini qualified third at the Adelaide GP in 1991 I think.
Alessandro Nannini also drove for Minardi too.
Minardi had the Ferrari engines for 1 year: 1991. Unfortunately except two 4th places nothing good came from it because they lost one of their sponsors to Ferrari. And Martini put his car on P2 at the US GP in 1990 which was wild back then. The entire grid at that race was wild with several backmarkers in the Top 10 and Moreno in the EuroBrun outqualifying a Ferrari
Thank you. I got a little too happy when I saw one of your videos with the word "Minardi" in it. Was a big fan from the US of the plucky little team.
Probably most loved underdog team
I miss Team Principles who smoked during interviews
Even if it appears like they are starting to slowly phase it out with the new VCARB era, credit to a big company like Red Bull for still keeping the little team based in Faenza for almost 20 years now. It would have been too easy for them to co-locate their two teams into one precinct.
And they still use the original buildings that Minardi built. Truly amazing
Jos Verstappen was involved with a company called "Trust"? 😂 That sh!t is hilarious...
Yeah Minardi always did good work on a very limited budget.
I think if they got the Mugens for 1995 things may have been different - I still don't understand the deal, but Aguri Suzuki has said himself that Briatore lied to him/Mugen about the second Ligier seat. He thought he had it for the full season, not knowing Brundle had already been signed. Briatore didn't tell Brundle either.
And considering that Gitanes (and later Gauloises) were still sponsoring the team Briatore couldn't ditch Panis either, because a French driver needs to be in a French team (even though it was now co-owned by an Italian in Briatore and a Scot in Tom Walkinshaw). And I'd argue that Walkinshaw vouched for Brundle to be in the team given their history together in both F1 and sportscars (Brundle did race for TWR Jaguar) and I assume Briatore didn't tell his business partner either, which may've forced Walkinshaw to pivot towards the Arrows team for 1996.
@@ivaneurope Panis deserved to be there on Merit - particularly pre-injury he was exceptional.
I still remember the ranting outburst from Stoddart in 2005. First keeping it restrained, but when reporter Jack Plooij noticed held back anger, commentator Olav Mol reminded Paul that he could swear on Dutch television, and then he went absolutely berserk. In hindsight, I guess years of frustration about the politics in F1 came out in three minutes of ranting. And even then, he reminded us that he found the backmarker racing fun.
Giancarlo Minardi was the body of the team, but in the final years of the team, Stoddart was the soul. Absolute madman.
Interview is here ruclips.net/video/bY7IdWpqYXI/видео.html
I always saw Minardi as the Chicago Cubs of F1 - the loveable losers that you just cheered for because they were Minardi. Given the lack of resources they had compared to the other teams, they gave it their all at every event, which I greatly respect.
One of the funniest things to me about Minardi in 2003 is that allegedly they were using Bridgestones from like 2000 - 2002 in warm up & practice and apparently those Cosworth v10s were from like 2000 or 2001
Vintage.
I see that Tim Horton's mug :) Great video too, keep it up and congrats on the E-sports news!
Soo much respect for my fellow Aussie!
15:45 that’s quite a quote. We need more public figures to say things in this manner, a bit of honesty would be nice 😂
Great Job on this one, mate. Lots of details included.
Really appreciate telling the Minardi story in such detail!
Minardi liveries always hit the spot
These episodes with a cup of tea are my absolute favorite to watch/listen to!
I prefer milk and black coffee. :-D
Great video Aidan, really informative, love dropping into you’re vlogs, always learn something new about F1, Thankyou 👍👌🇮🇲
Minardi was a great to watch Team with Character and Class.
“Let’s try hard to win.”
Everyone forgets, but in the early 1990s Minardi had some really competitive phases where they were nearly on pole in a few races. I think I remember them being really good at Estoril one year.
I can remember Gustav Brunner was a wizard, he gave Minardi the first titanium cast gearboxes in f1, the weight savings were noticeable and paired with the shortest wheelbase on the grid the car was really nimble on mechanical grip circuits!
Informative and Humourous - Great Stuff, Mr.Millward.
I will always be thankful to Minardi, for giving the opportunity to our own Pedro Lamy. The first portuguese to score points in F1.
I miss those times.
funny thing... around the same time the privateers were on a decline in F1, there began a decline in rally teams in WRC too... Seat left first, then later on Mitsubishi, then Pugeot and Skoda, Suzuki came briefly then left, Subaru left....it was like the great depression 🤷🏾♂️
fun fact Simtek and Lotus both had 6 drivers for 1994 so did larrousse, Prost had 5 in 2001. So is there a rule in F1 preventing more than 4 drivers in 1 year?
Black/yellow/white livery looks sooo good...
you keep making me happy with your funny and informative posts. Keep up the good work!
Everyone loved Minardi (apart from other team managers and the FIA). Stoddart was a straight talking breath of fresh air who ran the comparatively impoverished team with outstanding sporting prowess and business acumen, giving all those great drivers their first break into the big league. I was really sorry when he sold up, leading to the grid turning into the parade of corporate logos it has become today.
I'm pretty much alone in this but i always thought that the Katayama driven 1997 Minardi was a tidy looking car. I remember genuinely thinking they'd move up the grid that year.
Very well done video! Great information as always!!
Thanks for the great video, Daddy. Thanks for not showing Flavio in a Speedo.
Really enjoyed this one mate. Maybe it’s the Aussie in me, but I always had a soft spot for Minardi.
Minardi, like Arrows, were very well liked. Were always the underdogs always trying to punch above their weight.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Those were the days! Probably the best and the worst.
Great video, great little team. Thanks.
It was Portugal 1989 when Martini led a lap in a Minardi
Hello Aiden great video on Minardi ... strangely enough Alonso was discovered by Minardi ... he's been around so long sometimes people forget lol
Another interesting tid bit is while Mr Minardi owned the team despite his financial troubles his personal wealth kept growing yhear over year and still does .... The mandate was take my cut and go racing with what's left lol
In your list of other notable Minardi drivers I'm surprised you don't list Alessandro Nannini who had previously served Minardi's F2 team while also driving for the factory Lancia team in the World Sportscar Championship, setting the fastest lap at Le Mans in 1984 in the Lancia LC2 and later that year winning the Kyalami 6 Hours in the LC2 alongside the late Bob Wollek. Nannini as an F1 rookie regularly outpaced his more experienced team mate Andrea de Cesaris in 1986 and had no trouble out-pacing Adrián Campos (another of the more money than talent brigade) in 1987 before going to Benetton in 1988.
Fun Fact: Alessandro Nannini was actually Minardi's first choice to be their Formula One driver in 1985. However, for 1985 FISA did not grant Nannini the Super Licence required to be able to race in F1. This meant Minardi had to go with their other F2 driver Pierluigi Martini who did have a Super Licence having substituted for the suspended Artyon Senna at Toleman in the 1984 Italian Grand Prix.
It wasn’t everyone who raced, merely a sample.
You're bold to think that Liberty would allow a privateer team to join and not Andretti
Great video, but... Webber did not score points in Mangy Cour, he finished 8th, points were awarded to the top 6 in 2002. The points system changed the following year to the top 8 finishers.
I knew there was a reason I liked Aiden. Asthmatic’s must stick together. Plus the content is awesome.
I think Minardi really could have done one more season with Red Bull sponsorship. But it's awesome that the team was kept in Faenza as every single employee would have been sent down stream. So huge W to Red Bull for doing that
love the bruins hat! (but not the way the team is playing tonight)
Love the Tim Hortons mug. Lol.cheers from Canada
Another great job aiden ✌️👍🇬🇧
Don't forget Ferrari ran a modified 2004 car in the first two races of 2005 too.
Yeah. Key word being modified.
The Minardi was also modfied to the new 2005 rules by the time Melbourne qualifying after Stoddart relented and put 2005 aero parys on the 2004 car. The stewards wouldn't have let them race if the changes had not been made.@@AidanMillward
@@TheSt1092 difference is, Ferrari intended to do so. Minardi was doing it because they couldn’t.
Still got my Forza Minardi t-shirt :)
Always loved Minardi!
i know it’s kind of a stretch, but i suppose it could be argued that aston martin is a privateer team. after all, stroll did buy the team and drove as racing point and then bought AM to be the face of it
That moment Murray Walker shouts BADOER in that soaking wet Monaco race😂😂
Wasn't Nannini at Minardi as well? I remember him spinning at Tosa in 1986 San Marino GP
Yeah he was. I only named a selection and not every driver.
18:20 If you know which driver this is, you're an F1 & Motorsport superfan! 😎
I miss the minardi liveries
Let's get out and spread the word so we can get Aiden over 100k subs so we finally get the Roberto Moreno episode! 😅
Stoddart was quite the stalwart.
Nice Tim Horton's Cup! 😅 Can't keep my eyes off of it!
Also didn’t Alex Yoong not have power steering during all of 2002 while Mark Webber got power steering within a few races after 2002 started?
14:30 I don’t get the next thing with the B-teams. Mateschitz bought Minardi and that’s how it became Scuderia Toro Rosso. It (STR) didn’t exist before.
I know. I just named two B teams.
@@AidanMillward 😂Alright!
I enjoyed this team to a lesser extent than Osella, but I had no time for Stoddart. Coincidentally, I had no time for Steiner either.
Minardi are now RB...!
We all love Minardi
2:00 You forgot Mark Webber, Mark Gene, and Gianmaria Bruni
No I didn’t.
2000s F1 politics never fails to entretain me
A Tim’s cup, have you moved to CDN! 6:26
I loved Osella
Alex Yoong!
I miss minardi they were grat.
Where did you get that Tim Hortons mug.....? That is Canada's coffee store....but hey...Minardi won two races...both the Italian GP (as Toro Rosso and Alpha Tauri....)
Tim Hortons is in UK now too.
Got it in Canada. Limited edition as seen on sportsnet.
19:00 AWS is already bringing up many F1 stuff, so even if then it would be an "AWS F1 Team" XD
Minardi forever!
Would the teams even let Jeff Bezo try to enter F1!? If they were scared of Andretti they'd be even more afraid of Amazon GP!
Bezos wouldn't even bother seeing as he would be losing money
He just needs to rummage his couch and check under the car seat for it.@@MrBlazemaster525
If F1 wants Privateers again then they are going to have to do something about the astronomical costs, more than just a cost cap.... I would argue that having machines more spec would be preferable but then that sounds like this American single-seater series.
Not going to happen.
I dont get the hate that gunther receives online along with haas. They have their problems and usually are 8th - 10th cone the end of the season. I have noticed a big rise in hate towards haas since andretti has wanted to join f1, with a lot of hate coming from new american/dts viewers given that haas are american and many think andretti deserves to be on the grid more than haas.
Out of the first 7 comments, 5 of them are bots
Edit: sorting by newest, they're the first -5 comments-
Edit 2: actually, first 6 comments. Missed one
To say something that actually has something to do with the video, i'll add that i was lucky-enough to see a Minardi M02, but sadly it wasn't running (unlike the Williams FW07 doing a few laps that same day)
It’s bollocks isn’t it?
The v10's in the back of them sounded amazing at a demo run last year.
Everybody says Ide is the worst from the 2000s era, but Yoong is worse. At least ide scored points in Formula Nippon.
Its not "Fond-metel" its "fond-metaal" by the way
Whats that flag.. a darts player used the same one?
Why the title change?
Minardi ❤