The Yaris I Love, But Doesn’t Love me Back (GR Yaris Revisited)
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2023
- It's been a long time since I drove the GR Yaris.
This time I have it for nearly a week, driving it daily, and I definitely have a lot to say. 
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It's not that it does not love you back. This car is NOT for you judging by your criticism. I appreciate that you're sticking your neck out for this and won't question about your motivation to do so.
1. idk what you are so set on drifting or sliding the car so much, it is a lot slower. If you want to slide or drift around get the BRZ or GR86 or any DEDICATED RWD car. Why are you so shocked that an AWD can't drift or slip? Focus RS and Audi RS3 8Y had to have fancy electronically controlled diff just to be able to slide. But all the Haldex-type can't slide either. So let's be real with yourself a second and think whether the criticism that the GR Yaris can't slide is a fair and constructive comment.
2. The car is engineered to understeer to provide stability. As you have witnessed yourself the high speed stability is insane. When you lift off the throttle it tucks itself in so naturally.. if you really want to slide - change the ARBs and also increase rear tyre pressure. I guarantee it will slide around at the limit but will also drive like shit....
3. G16E-GTS is not only a brand new engine developed for the GR Yaris. It's also designed to meet WRC Rally 2 regulations. It is light weight and compact and being a 3-cylinder there is less exhaust gas interference.
It does lack top-end power, but the power output and torque figures is comparable to ANY modern 2.0L turbo or inline 6s ie. 1JZ-GTE of the yesteryear. Power delivery is LINEAR and throttle response is INSTANT. It could do anything you want it to do when carving corners. I was only able to exploit 40-50% of its power on mountain runs...
wow thanks for the detailed reply.
I agree with most of what you say.
I guess I was so dead set on getting it to oversteer because of all the marketing behind the car, but you are right. at the very end of my video (maybe you didn't reach that far lol), I mention that I love this car as long as I drive it cleanly. And It must be a lot of fun on track because it is highly capable and very confident inspiring.
as for getting the car to oversteer, from my experience there are many ways to achieve this (and seems like many commenters have experience in doing so too), so I decided that it is not fair to judge the car purely on this point.
as for the engine. I recall it used to have more low end grunt and instant response, but maybe the aftermarket exhaust sacrificed some of this. I suppose it needs a slight remap.
I really find your channel very helpful and informative. You are a real driver, willing to actually drive it hard on the streets (only in Asia!!). So many other channels you can just tell right away they are crap drivers, driving so slow on the street. You can't trust the opinion from those people.
Thanks, I’m glad to hear that.
The whole point I wanted to make videos was
because I find myself disagreeing a lot with many youtube journalists. I can watch so many videos about a car but after watching them I still have no idea how the car drives.
And then talking to my friends who also drive their cars hard, they also share the same opinions as me.
So I started making videos….
@@FizzyMotors Nice!! Keep doing it man!! I just picked up a 996.2 GT3 Clubsport last Friday after watching your video + Misha's video. This car is pure pleasure. I honestly don't remember my old 997.2 GT3 (sold 5 years ago, so memory is fuzzy) giving me this type of visceral analogue pleasure. My rich friend (owns 2 Carrera GT's, had all the GT's) said the 996.2 GT3 is closer to the CGT than all other GT3's.
@@mixxeerr wow you made a great choice.
Ive driven quite a few GT cars since I made the 996 review and I still think its my favorite. Maybe the 996 GT2 is tied with it.
But I still have yet to try the 997 GT3.
To fix the understeer fit an anti-lift bushing kit, add stiffer torque mount bushings, some camber bolts and a decent wheel alignment fixing the camber and toe. Decrease the front tyre pressure, increase the rear pressure, alter the rear toe. Also get a thicker rear sway bar. Also did you completely switch off the safety controls? The way to do that is:
1. Start engine
2. Push traction control more than 3 seconds in NORMAL MODE - NOT sport mode
3. Then switch into sport mode.
If you put it in sport mode then hold the traction control button you will not fully disengage the traction control.
Don't bother attempting to drift a Yaris in the dry. This car is a drifting machine but only in the wet or on a dirt road.
As for lack of noise, have you switched off the fake engine noise in the cabin? Do that and the car will sound much better. Fitting an Eventuri air intake will also enhance the noise.
Hope this helps.
thanks for the advise. I tried to oversteer is sport mode, but I didn't hold the traction button. I just pressed it.
however, I still didn't feel like the tail was going to step out at any point. It still felt as if the front always gave up sooner than the rear.
I would love to try it again after playing with tire pressure setting, but it's too late. I already returned the car.
As an owner of GR Yaris and GR86 I think you are the sort of driver who will enjoy the 86 a lot more.
Yes i know that as a fact
But the GR Yaris looks sooooo cool and i want to love it
Great collection of cars btw good for you
@@FizzyMotors I know what you mean. I love the look of it and how special it is but i dont love driving it and hence i've been thinking about selling it.
@@Aladdin5cave what dont you like about it in comparison to the GR86?
@@Aladdin5cave exquisite collection, i have a GR yaris and a few months back i was thinking to myself "if i ever get another car (which is kind of dificult) it'd be a GR86 or a BRZ" they seem so fun to drive side ways.
You're trying to powerslide awd car. That's why it understeers. AWD cars don't powerlide unless they're made for it(race cars-not civil Yaris) If you search for Tim Schrick you'll see how Yaris drifts.
Yea i know
I think it will be better in gravel though
@@FizzyMotors probably even worse understeer. AWD you have to yank or flick real hard or rip the e-brake in order to do a proper drift.
@@Majski900R yaris has no E break, it has a mechanical handbreak which dislocates the read axles when pulles like in a rallye car so you can stay on throttle while pulling the handbreak.
@@binskee677 e brake doesn't stand for electronic brake but for emergency brake so stop being a smartass because you know what I'm talking about. I have a GR Yaris sitting in my garage, buddy... You can't RIP something that's not mechanical obviously.... god, kids these days....
A front anti lift kit and set of camber bolts up front cures the understeer. Anyone who's owned a WRX before knows, it's not rocket science.
I have 996 gt2 , and Yaris GR :D love your gt2 review. Anyway, for GR, it needs aligment, and suspension/remap. Then it drifts. But its more like grip car, than drift car. Edit, also same tire pressure wont work, but more to rear.
thanks for your support!
yea, like I said at the end of the video, I think there are ways to make it oversteers. especially because this car already has adjustable dampers.
5:50 The more times you hear a song, the more likely you are to start liking it.
Same goes for products we interact with, when something becomes familiar to us, we start building a preferance for it, or at least start liking it more, just out of the fact that it is familiar to us, so you onto something :D
Thanks for the honest review, 👍👍👍 I was going to buy it but now order Honda type R FL5 .
Thanks glad you enjoyed!
FL5 is awesome, would love to try it one day
Mate, you gotta set it up like an older WRX. I had a Bug eye for a bit and totally stock they are an understeer DOG. Once I installed a Whiteline front anti lift kit and a thicker rear sway bar, just those two mods alone transformed the car and you could basically flat foot it around a corner and it just GOES, same thing needs to be done to the GR Yaris being a full-time AWD car.
Thanks for this
I love the exhaust sound. It seems that you have the fake noise turned off? How did you do that? It sounds better this way. How is looping on expressway like with this car?
it has Akrapovich exhaust.
@@FizzyMotors Ah I see. That really enhances the noise that it makes
18:28 I think this is the answer. Get the weight off the rear and pitch the car in, but as you said probably more of a track thing
7:06 this is my exact complaint with the GR, what makes it better is thinking the redline is at 5k, that's when the torque starts to dip anyway, it makes highway ramps extremely rewarding. But it makes me miss my mr2 aw11, that car was slow slow, but felt SO good to rev up to redline. I still have it but needed a more reliable commute to work.
Bushings (control arms, shifter cable), mount inserts and geo do wonders. Cheap must have for enjoying the car properly.
Could you please elaborate further?
@@christmasisawesome9348 More feedback through the steering wheel, sharper and more direct handling, shifting and throttle response - at the expense of slight added NVH.
When you were saying that the GR Yaris doesn’t feel like a really car at all times well, that’s the point of a hot hatchback like that. The sole purpose of a heart hatchback is to feel its regular hatchback counterpart at lower speeds but at higher speeds feel like somethings special when you’re on those back roads it should feel like a vehicle that you can still get the family in and still go to get groceries in no problem at all but then when you really want to put your foot down the reallyness of it comes out to play that’s what I love about my GR corolla circuit edition you can still do normal hatchback things with it but it still feels special especially when you put your foot down so I think your assessment is a bit misguided a bit
I own a Yaris have driven 20k km on it on Mountain roads etc and mostly agree with your conclusion, the engine really doesn't feel very exciting above 5k rpm ... but i also have a S2000 (which is the total opposite) and an Ariel Atom (Civic Type R engine) also had a M140i xDrive and a M2Competition in the past. The Yaris engine revs higher but the Type R engine is the most exciting 2l turbo engine i have ever driven.
Also the Yaris really doesn't like to drift, even in the wet due it's double wishbone setup in the back and normal McPherson setup in the front. The back has much more traction than the front mechanically. You can get it to drift but that has been mentioned a lot already in the comment section. But this also requires the driver to adjust his/her driving style also under "Grip" driving. Most people throw the car into the corner as fast as possible, you can do that in FF car or an S2000 or a GT4 but a Yaris in a sense you have to drive it similar to a Porsche GT3, you have to load up the front with late hard breaking but you can go on the Gas very very early because the rear has a much higher level of traction than the front similar like a rear engined GT3.
Many people also think that rallye cars are drift machines, but rallye cars are made for as much traction as possible, only on very tight corners the drivers use the hand break to turn. On slippery surface like gravel or snow a certain amount of slip is faster but they try to keep the angle of oversteer as minimal as possible depending on the turning radius. I just drove the car in Italy this weekend on the highway, it really is very stable and still has some power above 200kp/h and in Liguria where the twisty highway section is (it's like a superfast touge lol) it was very stable in high speed corners even above 200kp/h ... it was really fun chasing and catchin up to GT and "Sports cars" which cost 10 times the amount of a Yaris. But you need to get a feel for the car, you have to shift the weight accordingly and use it's roll for your advantage, it's like dancing with the car.
My car is completely stock and i think the stock suspension is very impressive, especially on bumpy mountain roads, much better than the M2competition suspension which was really bad imo. Only mods i did was a harder Transmission mount and a short shifter, that transformed the pick up of the engine and the whole driving experience for me.
That said, great review and was really fun watching you drive the car recklessly haha
wow I must say of all the comments I received, this is my favorite one. I totally agree with your breakdown of the dynamics of the car.
I guess my biggest gripe with the car is that the marketting made it seem like it is a drift machine, so that was what I expected it to be. If I hadn't expected to slide this thing, I think I would have loved the car from the start. And like I said, after driving the car over the course of 1 week, each time I drove it I started to enjoy it more and more.
You have some great cars by the way!
@@FizzyMotors Yea we didn't get that kinda marketing or i didn't see it haha the first reviewer said drifting was only possible if it's very wet, gravel, snow or with the handbreak but then in the top gear video they were drifting around like it was a drift car lol so yea i was abit confused too but i guess they used the handbreak. When pulling the handbreak it detached the rear axles so you can pull the handbreak while still pushing the accelerator and put's down the power at the front while the rear is blocked.
But your review was one of the few reviews who really understood the car and your driving is fun to watch! The GT4 RS on the mountain road was epic! =D looking forward to more!
Maybe try a Circuit Pack version with suspension mods and a short shifter and a more open cat. The exhaust is nice but for the money you could do a lot of other things.
The infotainment screen is different in your country. It’s lot larger on the uk models
Yea
I like this boxy version, looks more rally car
Did You pushed traction control button for 5 sec to turn everything off? Expert sign dissapears
Also its superb on snow :)
actually I didn't know you can turn it off even more. thanks for the advice
These cars need higher tire pressure to drift because they are naturally so grippy. According to the driver door sticker, the GR Corolla calls cold pressure of psi 35 Front and 33 in Rear. The reveal demo showing it doing doughnuts has speculation that the psi was over inflated into the 40's to make is slide around so easily as advertised.
i feel like 40psi is a very default psi... My GRY came with 40psi all 4 corners. Binned the Dunlops and got me Michelin PS5 at a local tyre shop and they TOO gave it 40psi. In fact, every single time i service my GRY, Toyota would also bring it up to 40psi.
I don't recommend riding on such high PSI. strangely more comfortable over bumps but handles really wack in the twisties.
40 psi is crazy high! that is very strange
thanks for the info
@@Silverwarhawk my dealer did that too, i told them to leave the tire pressure alone, put it to factory setting as recommended by toyota and it drives wonderfully (slightly understeery) with immense grip at the back. I have rarely experienced any car which has so much grip in corners under throttle.
Gr4y are a grip car. On slippery stuffs you need it set up like this. Tarmac is a discipline in it self and it’s all about speed a to b . Fun is another discipline . It willl never be a drift machine . Pull hand break on with some slip on a corner and rear traction let’s go and the gr4 systems will straitened it all up before long . I love mind gr4y rally . I’m also half way built a rear wheel drive mid engine because why not . And if I was a drifter I would build what we know what works.
Over stiffen the rear and go into a corner over a bump. I like the exhaust tho
In the rain with bald 8 year old rears
it is the way
It didn't feel like a homologation car for you? How does a homologation car feel for you? You've driven another homologation car? You just say that if it's not a wrc car, specifically made for that😅 I don't get that point....
Honestly, you're driving this car three days and found things that you don't like, that's probably a thing you have for most cars you'll drive. Like you mention, muscle memory.
Good video and editing though!
I have for a matter of fact driven quite a few production homologation cars.
the most common being the Mitsubishi Evos, and Subaru WRXs.
I also own a 190E 16V and driven E30 M3s.
and finally also own a 996 GT3 (although its not homologated for rallying, it is still a homologation car).
Most of these cars, I fell in love with almost instantly after driving them.
But with the GR Yaris, I really wanted to love it. But it ultimately became a car that I had to convince myself to enjoy.
Give it a go with a CAE ULTRA shifter
Yea the owner wants to install it
I was so underwhelmed by this car...it just doesn't have the character/emotion of 90s hatches. I feel the same about my i20N, modern cars have too many filters 😢 you're not a bad driver! Cars just don't have the feel like they used to I'm afraid..I've had gt86,brz and driven gr86. They're good, excellent chassis but even with them i had to drive at 10/10ths qnd finally i found some soul. Before that they all feel digital to me. Think i need to test drive an s2000 for all the hype they get 🤔
Youre totally right
Even the s2000 may disappoint you because of the lack of steering feel.
@@FizzyMotors Oh dear!! yes i have read that its epas lacks feel :(
I had my gry as my daily for 1y+ and I'm loving it every single day. I suppose a rally car is more about the grip and respond.
Still I do wonders instead of having the sport mode 30/70, why won't they straight away set it as 0/100rear on this mode, this car would be perfect than ever. 😂
Then you buy GT/GR86 ;)
let me get out of here.
3 cyl much more unique and lighter.
Good review, but that's wreckless driving.
Lol thanks. And yup it was
If you drive like that on the street in Australia, you'd have your licence stripped so fast it'd make your head spin. Police state.
Lol welcome to Thailand
Just sell it if you don't like it. Problem solve.
Its not mine