Best thing to do with the zip wakes is, delete the auto pitch, so you have auto roll only, then use the outboard trim accordingly. That way the auto pitch isnt fighting against you all the time. I have it set up like that in my 700 Surtees.
Another detailed and very informative video, excellent work you never fail deliver on the finer details of the video topic and as always your content is direct and easy to understand. Now i would love to get your knowledge and honest feedback on the Yammy? I understand the Yamaha has an almost flawless history with reliability dating back to the Saltwater series. The latest range of Mercs have been around for a few years now and they seem quieter than the Yammy and i haven't heard any common horror stories regarding reliability as yet. As a fellow OCD'er whats your your insight when comparing the 2 brands? I personally love the reliability of Yamaha but also love the quieter engine noise from the Merc. I have watched some RUclips videoes where people have sais the fuel consumption of the Merc is slightly better than the Yammy, but that could possiblly be biased feedback. Looking forward to the next video regarding the general craftsmanship finish of the hull. Many thanks again and happy new year!
Hey man, all good. Will also do a detailed review of this engine soonish. It kind of depends on the exact HP range you are comparing. The new V6 and V8 mercs are very nice engines indeed, but I do know sellers of both and the Mercs from what I am told at least have more warranty issues than the Yamaha's, by quite a margin. But don't let this put you off as I know so many people with these new Mercs with zero issues. Both Yammy and Merc are super quiet and smooth, awesome economy etc. I liked the helm master offering about more than the verado equivalent, so went Yamaha. But it was dead set between this and 250 verado. If I was looking for slightly cheaper option, Suzuki df250ap. I know many commercial operators who will flat out only run Yamaha 4 strokes and run their engines for many thousands of hours with minimal issues. The only modern Mercs I don't really like are the last gen supercharged verado inline engines. Crazy bad on fuel and quite problematic.
hey mate, thanks for the content. how do you find the stability at rest in these vs the bar crushers given they dont have the water ballast system? Cheers!
Hey man the BC and Surtees are definitely more stable at rest due to ballast. But this boat more stable than both of them at all speeds apart from stopped. Having said that, stability at rest for a non ballast hull is still very good in this boat.
@@BaitBallin excellent to know. I assume the bar crusher and surtees didnt have zipwakes though? how much you attributing to that ? on par if they did have them ?
@tinski88 hey still more stable when both have zipwakes. But yes, in my opinion nobody should be buying a new one of these boats without zipwakes. Previously neither BC or Surtees wanted to fit zipwakes to their boats. Now they do
Definitely not as stable at rest, the ballast systems definitely has it beat there! Yep this weekend coming Il do a video on the build quality. In detail
@BaitBallin nice. Is it still fairly stable? I have a 535c which had massive maybe 150 to 200 mill reverse chines. Along with the ballast system it's as stable as a brick.
They sure do. We took ours out to the shelf the other day and it was fine. Weather turned to shit at the end of the day as well. Great day caught a lot of fish.
Thanks man, yep the constant water noises on the 5mm hull was driving me literally crazy. Even at rest, it was so off putting. Especially after coming from many glass boats
Hey mate have you seen Senator boats?? I’ve seen you discuss stabicrafts and senator are another New Zealand produced pontoon boat. I’ve just ordered a 6.5m hard top from them after doing a lot of research and boat tests etc they are amazing to deal with and will work with you for any custom options etc you want. Very competitive pricing and you get a true 6.5m hull. Congrats on the new rig looks like it’s running mint. Curious to hear your thoughts on the yammy we’re putting the 225 v6 on ours.
Hey man no direct experience but they do look very sweet. 225 is a sweet engine which you will no doubt love. Let me know what it's like when you get it! I typically don't go pontoon just because of cost due to so much fabrication tbh
Looks better than most I've seen. What kind of speed were you travelling at looks around 15-20 knots which is ok. Yellowfin make a nice hull on the outside, however I think what lets them down is their hull structure in my opinion. For your average punter it'll be right, but for the few that travel 150km offshore, it's not going to cut it. They have the ability to design and refine their craft with tech, whereas "custom" boat builders are only able change the inside of their hull to make it look pretty.
Hey the new under floor construction is much much better than last generation. It's now connected to floor with vertical braces, last generation wasn't and it was shite in my opinion. We're doing between 22-25 knots. Could push it a bit harder obviously and I will in another video when I am driving. It's funny this boat, under the hardtop etc make it look and feel very slow but it's faster than you think. Yes for going way wide, speed does matter for sure. We passed numerous boats to and from the shelf which were sitting on 15-20ish. Only boat better on the day ride was was 6.8 camcraft which are a weapon
Nice rig, I know your a Caribbean fan, having owned one, why didn't you look at the reef runner or the Caribbean 23? Awesome riding boats, been out on both. I owned a 6.4m Spacecraft Alloy boat, built in Toronto NSW, big heavy plate boat, with a volvo penta inboard duo prop, placed in the centre of the boat with a recess in the transom, so you could fish right to the back..I seriously regret selling that boat, it was the only Alloy rig I could ever compare to a nice glassboat ride wise.
Hey, yeah the reefies are a bit light and small for my needs, But the 2300 is prob my all time favour glass game fishing rig. Just a bit big and heavy for my needs and abilities. Just in terms of always need a perfect deep water ramp etc, with this boat I plan to tow and use everywhere in not ideal conditions to launch and retrieve. But yes love the 2300 and 2400! Never seen a spacecraft Il check them out, sounds interesting
I have a reefy, no bouncing at all, bloody awsome offshore...infact I owned a Caribbean Concorde before the reefy, 5.4m, it was awesome offshore as well.
Yeah I mean compared to a 2300, they do get pushed around more. I have a mate who put about 60-100kg of sand bags in his cabin and he says has totally transformed his boat. I reckon some zipwakes would also suit a reef runner perfectly.
Keep dreaming.....Had many, good for their time. Don't compete with modern, better boats. Also had the modern versions of that hull as recent as a few years ago. 580 Haines classic. Unstable, wet boats but pretty soft riding yes. I watched a new Haines 675 enclosed the other day closely, riding like absolute shite. Leaning all over the place, banging hard, throwing people around. Captain had no idea how to drive it and it needed zipwakes no doubt, but just because a boat is fibreglass doesn't mean it's automatically superior. Btw I like the 675 Haines and it was on my list when shopping for this boat also.
@lachlansneddon9246 A lot of boats between the 6 and 7mtr will take a pounding and smash through the chop and beat another boat in its class to or from a destination if pushed and driven correctly. It all comes back to how comfortable you want your passengers to be. I could just about smash any boat in its class in my old 243 Whitepointer(except for the odd 233 Formula and big glass cats) . I would drive that thing it to its absolute limit coming back from offshore when it was just myself and a mate, which I knew was capable of holding on tight.. But if kids are on board or perhaps your partner, then smashing through the chop like there's no tomorrow will definitely make a nice day out hell for your passengers.
@@BaitBallin I’d say the modern version of the 19r Haines would be the 6m bsb or edencraft. 580 classic more comparable to the 565 Haines. The 675 Haines if set up right and driven correctly would definitely be a better class of boat offshore than the yellow fin . Horses for courses it’s not all about speed.
The first video was honestly very bad filming etc I wasn't happy but put it up anyway. I.e when I'm doing the camera I try to get a range of angles etc.
Btw, I asked BC to make me a 6mm boat with a fully welded front cabin area. They said no, and wouldn't customise anything and 6mm is a huge expense increase and it would eat their profit margin. So once that happened they were off my list. I did try to give them another chance.
In comparison, the 4.2ltr Yammi is a noisy bloody thing compared to say the merc V8 version.. (not sure about the Zuki or Honda) In actual fact, one single 300 Yammi is far louder than both of my old verado 200 twins running combined. But I'd put up with a little bit more noise for the Yammi reliability and track record. There's a newish vid of a guy testing in identical imported plate boats in FNQ doing 300hp Merc V's 300 Yammi. Easily shows the difference in noise factor.
Yeah it's a much better set up. It's not quite to the same level of smooth etc but having said that, not as far off as I thought it would be either, Peter also remarked the same thing. With the zipwakes and everything combined It's pretty close to the Caribbean, but just much more functional. Overall it will suit us well and long days offshore will be pretty non eventful.
Yeah that doesn't bother me it's the front, when it's literally covered in water constantly. In my old BC you literally couldn't see out without wipers flat out, in any sort of chop at all. I was expecting same in this boat, and even though it wasn't a rough day, we instantly noticed how much better it is than the BCs at pushing spray away
Hahaha ultimately it's just a hobby and for people to watch, ignore, like, dislike it's all good. I've always loved boats of all shapes and sizes so I do find these things interesting
Nah 300kg lighter they get pushed around alot more and tend to be more flighty / want to lift out of the water where the Yellowfin keeps the hull in the water. But they are good though for 6m rigs. One for my favourites infact. Highly recommend
Best thing to do with the zip wakes is, delete the auto pitch, so you have auto roll only, then use the outboard trim accordingly.
That way the auto pitch isnt fighting against you all the time.
I have it set up like that in my 700 Surtees.
Great advice will try it!
That looked pretty good to me. Well balanced boat.
Yeah definitely something clever going on under the water line.
Awesome vid mate yep my boats exactly the same im very happy with it.
Excellent glad to hear it
One day Il do a video on the Yamaha and let's compare performance / fuel figures for something interesting
Looks like a great boat mate glad you're happy with it, there's reports of Strippies in close around 40-50 fathoms get out there and christen her.
Thanks man, yep will be out shortly
Another detailed and very informative video, excellent work you never fail deliver on the finer details of the video topic and as always your content is direct and easy to understand.
Now i would love to get your knowledge and honest feedback on the Yammy?
I understand the Yamaha has an almost flawless history with reliability dating back to the Saltwater series.
The latest range of Mercs have been around for a few years now and they seem quieter than the Yammy and i haven't heard any common horror stories regarding reliability as yet.
As a fellow OCD'er whats your your insight when comparing the 2 brands? I personally love the reliability of Yamaha but also love the quieter engine noise from the Merc.
I have watched some RUclips videoes where people have sais the fuel consumption of the Merc is slightly better than the Yammy, but that could possiblly be biased feedback.
Looking forward to the next video regarding the general craftsmanship finish of the hull.
Many thanks again and happy new year!
Hey man, all good. Will also do a detailed review of this engine soonish. It kind of depends on the exact HP range you are comparing. The new V6 and V8 mercs are very nice engines indeed, but I do know sellers of both and the Mercs from what I am told at least have more warranty issues than the Yamaha's, by quite a margin. But don't let this put you off as I know so many people with these new Mercs with zero issues. Both Yammy and Merc are super quiet and smooth, awesome economy etc. I liked the helm master offering about more than the verado equivalent, so went Yamaha. But it was dead set between this and 250 verado. If I was looking for slightly cheaper option, Suzuki df250ap. I know many commercial operators who will flat out only run Yamaha 4 strokes and run their engines for many thousands of hours with minimal issues. The only modern Mercs I don't really like are the last gen supercharged verado inline engines. Crazy bad on fuel and quite problematic.
hey mate, thanks for the content. how do you find the stability at rest in these vs the bar crushers given they dont have the water ballast system? Cheers!
Hey man the BC and Surtees are definitely more stable at rest due to ballast. But this boat more stable than both of them at all speeds apart from stopped. Having said that, stability at rest for a non ballast hull is still very good in this boat.
@@BaitBallin excellent to know. I assume the bar crusher and surtees didnt have zipwakes though? how much you attributing to that ? on par if they did have them ?
@tinski88 hey still more stable when both have zipwakes. But yes, in my opinion nobody should be buying a new one of these boats without zipwakes. Previously neither BC or Surtees wanted to fit zipwakes to their boats. Now they do
How is stability at rest compared to a bar crusher and have the touched up on build quility yet?
Definitely not as stable at rest, the ballast systems definitely has it beat there! Yep this weekend coming Il do a video on the build quality. In detail
@BaitBallin nice. Is it still fairly stable? I have a 535c which had massive maybe 150 to 200 mill reverse chines. Along with the ballast system it's as stable as a brick.
@SamDavis-d3v yeah it's still very stable. I've also owned a 535c. Good boats. Punch above their weight, one of their better models.
They sure do. We took ours out to the shelf the other day and it was fine. Weather turned to shit at the end of the day as well. Great day caught a lot of fish.
I can tell it is considerably guieter that the bar crusher you had. Nice rig.
Thanks man, yep the constant water noises on the 5mm hull was driving me literally crazy. Even at rest, it was so off putting. Especially after coming from many glass boats
Hey mate have you seen Senator boats?? I’ve seen you discuss stabicrafts and senator are another New Zealand produced pontoon boat. I’ve just ordered a 6.5m hard top from them after doing a lot of research and boat tests etc they are amazing to deal with and will work with you for any custom options etc you want. Very competitive pricing and you get a true 6.5m hull.
Congrats on the new rig looks like it’s running mint. Curious to hear your thoughts on the yammy we’re putting the 225 v6 on ours.
Hey man no direct experience but they do look very sweet. 225 is a sweet engine which you will no doubt love. Let me know what it's like when you get it! I typically don't go pontoon just because of cost due to so much fabrication tbh
Looks better than most I've seen. What kind of speed were you travelling at looks around 15-20 knots which is ok. Yellowfin make a nice hull on the outside, however I think what lets them down is their hull structure in my opinion. For your average punter it'll be right, but for the few that travel 150km offshore, it's not going to cut it. They have the ability to design and refine their craft with tech, whereas "custom" boat builders are only able change the inside of their hull to make it look pretty.
Hey the new under floor construction is much much better than last generation. It's now connected to floor with vertical braces, last generation wasn't and it was shite in my opinion. We're doing between 22-25 knots. Could push it a bit harder obviously and I will in another video when I am driving. It's funny this boat, under the hardtop etc make it look and feel very slow but it's faster than you think. Yes for going way wide, speed does matter for sure. We passed numerous boats to and from the shelf which were sitting on 15-20ish. Only boat better on the day ride was was 6.8 camcraft which are a weapon
hahha no competition with the camcraft thats for sure
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Nice rig, I know your a Caribbean fan, having owned one, why didn't you look at the reef runner or the Caribbean 23? Awesome riding boats, been out on both.
I owned a 6.4m Spacecraft Alloy boat, built in Toronto NSW, big heavy plate boat, with a volvo penta inboard duo prop, placed in the centre of the boat with a recess in the transom, so you could fish right to the back..I seriously regret selling that boat, it was the only Alloy rig I could ever compare to a nice glassboat ride wise.
Hey, yeah the reefies are a bit light and small for my needs, But the 2300 is prob my all time favour glass game fishing rig. Just a bit big and heavy for my needs and abilities. Just in terms of always need a perfect deep water ramp etc, with this boat I plan to tow and use everywhere in not ideal conditions to launch and retrieve. But yes love the 2300 and 2400! Never seen a spacecraft Il check them out, sounds interesting
I have a reefy, no bouncing at all, bloody awsome offshore...infact I owned a Caribbean Concorde before the reefy, 5.4m, it was awesome offshore as well.
Yeah I mean compared to a 2300, they do get pushed around more. I have a mate who put about 60-100kg of sand bags in his cabin and he says has totally transformed his boat. I reckon some zipwakes would also suit a reef runner perfectly.
40yr old 19ft hains will still smash it lol
Keep dreaming.....Had many, good for their time. Don't compete with modern, better boats. Also had the modern versions of that hull as recent as a few years ago. 580 Haines classic. Unstable, wet boats but pretty soft riding yes. I watched a new Haines 675 enclosed the other day closely, riding like absolute shite. Leaning all over the place, banging hard, throwing people around. Captain had no idea how to drive it and it needed zipwakes no doubt, but just because a boat is fibreglass doesn't mean it's automatically superior. Btw I like the 675 Haines and it was on my list when shopping for this boat also.
@lachlansneddon9246
A lot of boats between the 6 and 7mtr will take a pounding and smash through the chop and beat another boat in its class to or from a destination if pushed and driven correctly.
It all comes back to how comfortable you want your passengers to be.
I could just about smash any boat in its class in my old 243 Whitepointer(except for the odd 233 Formula and big glass cats) . I would drive that thing it to its absolute limit coming back from offshore when it was just myself and a mate, which I knew was capable of holding on tight..
But if kids are on board or perhaps your partner, then smashing through the chop like there's no tomorrow will definitely make a nice day out hell for your passengers.
Exactly
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@@BaitBallin I’d say the modern version of the 19r Haines would be the 6m bsb or edencraft. 580 classic more comparable to the 565 Haines. The 675 Haines if set up right and driven correctly would definitely be a better class of boat offshore than the yellow fin . Horses for courses it’s not all about speed.
I can see it does ride softer than a barcrusher now. Theres a better camera angle than the first water testing video.
The first video was honestly very bad filming etc I wasn't happy but put it up anyway. I.e when I'm doing the camera I try to get a range of angles etc.
If you want performance attach a gopro to where you would normally put a flir. Then if you want fishing attach one to the rocket launchers
Btw, I asked BC to make me a 6mm boat with a fully welded front cabin area. They said no, and wouldn't customise anything and 6mm is a huge expense increase and it would eat their profit margin. So once that happened they were off my list. I did try to give them another chance.
Yeah right. Brands should listen to their customers.
Agreed. I honestly thought they would consider as I was willing to pay for it.
Did u see us at the fad for like 10 mins in the sailfish,
Hey, yes did you guys get anything??? We didn't.
Marked a Marlin inshore of it that’s why we where circling Lots, tried getting it on a livie but no good
Yamaha is nice sounding
Yeah definitely! Nice low rumble without being obnoxious, too loud etc. so pretty happy with the engine choice
In comparison, the 4.2ltr Yammi is a noisy bloody thing compared to say the merc V8 version.. (not sure about the Zuki or Honda)
In actual fact, one single 300 Yammi is far louder than both of my old verado 200 twins running combined.
But I'd put up with a little bit more noise for the Yammi reliability and track record.
There's a newish vid of a guy testing in identical imported plate boats in FNQ doing 300hp Merc V's 300 Yammi.
Easily shows the difference in noise factor.
Definitely quieter than the bar crusher
Glad it shows up, wish I had some sort of decibel tester to see how much
How is the ride compaired to the big caribbean? Looks like a much better set up fishing boat than the old girl
Yeah it's a much better set up. It's not quite to the same level of smooth etc but having said that, not as far off as I thought it would be either, Peter also remarked the same thing. With the zipwakes and everything combined It's pretty close to the Caribbean, but just much more functional. Overall it will suit us well and long days offshore will be pretty non eventful.
Bro drives side windscreen was covered in water returning
Yeah that doesn't bother me it's the front, when it's literally covered in water constantly. In my old BC you literally couldn't see out without wipers flat out, in any sort of chop at all. I was expecting same in this boat, and even though it wasn't a rough day, we instantly noticed how much better it is than the BCs at pushing spray away
Shes a beutiful day mate
Yeah Il get some more video soon of very rough days during tollgate classic tournament
@BaitBallin anything for content 💀
Hahaha ultimately it's just a hobby and for people to watch, ignore, like, dislike it's all good. I've always loved boats of all shapes and sizes so I do find these things interesting
@@BaitBallin fair enough
Does it have water bellist
No ballast, which is the one downfall of these boats!..... I do like the ballast systems at rest.
Your old Allison would ride the same or better
Nah 300kg lighter they get pushed around alot more and tend to be more flighty / want to lift out of the water where the Yellowfin keeps the hull in the water. But they are good though for 6m rigs. One for my favourites infact. Highly recommend
Should have put the lures out.
Yeah we came across a bunch of mahi mahi busting up, including a few big bulls but we couldn't get them to eat anything. Tried everything 😞
@@grimreaper6112 where's the stick of dynamite when you need it?
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Very nice, but gee they need to re design the colour schemes
Absolutely man, most of them are ugly as sin!!!!
Two tone is foul