I've been watching a lot of Z-cam footage recently so i could tell right away which is ZCam. Cinema cameras definitely got its own flavour that can't be match with a DSLR. Dope video.
I think you mean better roll off ... you can see more of the blue in the sky the coulds and shadows with the Zcam .... Also look at it on a test chart. The Zcam has better DR.
Both cameras produced beautiful imagery but I definitely agree with your evaluation. If I had directorial control on set and more time to compose each shot I would choose the Z Cam every time. However if it were a run n gun situation like event coverage or anything past sunset I would then select the Sony without question. Unless you’re short on funds keep them both and don’t sell either. Best of luck in 2021
Same. But I also shoot with an a7iii so can tell immediately what Sony footage looks like vs others. Highlight roll off as well as contrast are key differences. Plus the zcam just got that sauce I been he said it in the video lmao if you do this professionally you'll just be able to tell which is the cinema cam from the first shot. Great video here though!
I love them both. I feel the Zcam looks more filmic . Sony gives a very broadcast-y feel. I have both the a7s3 and e2f6 and keeping both. Both shoot beautifully. I choose B
Thanks for your comparison. I was thinking the cameras were the opposite because camera B has a little green tint. I was surprised when you said camera B was the Z-cam and the Sony did not have the green tint. Both look nice but I am drawn to the Z-cam footage for the look and feel of the footage. Like you said, I think this could be drawn out of the Sony to some extent. The IBIS and AF useful tools and hard to pass up.
Watching now... I like the green tint in the A but the skin tones and dynamic seems a bit better on B. BUT, I could not tell you which I LIKE better! If they weren't side by side, I would have been convinced both were cinema cams!
Well inside a room the Z-Cam is much more dynamic and it seems to me that it absorbes more light, while outside the Sony is more sharpening. But after all I prefer the Z Cam. Thanks for sharing! Cheers DimiZ
Every time I saw Cam B I was like damn it has that extra sauce. So when you said it later I was like YES!! Lol loving my E2 S6 after using it for a month
ok, i was just comparing from the thumbnail, since it was premiered and all i saw was the thumbnail. i actualy like B more, which is zcam. and to answer why, i just decided to buy a zcam and if the a7sIII was better looking, i would be really angry at myself
I'm really shocked. The highlight roll off on the Z cam was way better in those first window shots. Especially since the Sony tests at like 2 stops of DR higher than the Z cam. Hell ya
Like i said i thought camera B was Z cam, Z cam makes her skin look greensih in comparison to sony (look at 2.13 and more), and some people still saying Sony has greenish skin tone, but z cam is even more greenish. If you love canon "magical" color and canon user, you'll love sony more, cause z cam is more green in this comparison, and we canon shooters hate greenish skin tone. Or green tint.
@@MacOlink science would disagree. a raw data feed from the sensor is going to be the exact same 1s and 0s regardless of what camera manufacturer puts the chip on a substrate. i'm not talking raw codex, i'm talking uncompressed RAW data. at that point, the only variable is the sensor, which are pretty much all made by sony anyway. There's no processing happening to the data. What exactly do you think a camera is doing to the data stream that gives it this "sauce" you think it has?
@@homewardboundphotos Hey you're clearly knowledgeable and props to you for that--but curious as to the point you're trying to prove or what you're looking to gain or change via your attitude and input? Your point of uncompressed data = uncompressed data is great, but how does that translate to the real world? Is there a simple shift in workflow I can implement to get a mirrorless camera to achieve the same look out of a camera like the Z-cam if uncompressed data = uncompressed data? Genuinely curious because if you can offer a useful tip that I can implement into my workflow, I'd love to know. Thanks in advance.
@@JoonJoseph get good at color grading and toning and you can make uncompressed raw look like anything you want. thats the whole point of uncompressed raw. if you want it to look like a cinema camera you can tone it to look like a cinema camera. if you want a more sharpened TV look you can do that too. it's whatever you want it to be.
Nice vid, but I see more blue in the Z-Cam footage. I owned a E2 a little ways back and decided to go another way (Loved the E2 though). It is easy to spot @ 4:34. The Sony is more warmer and the Z-cam is more cooler in this instance. Wondering it you just hit the blue a bit in your footage there how would it fair? It seems that it is just a color tweak away. I would like to see how you color corrected and added your grade to both. I'm a predominantly PP user so I know Z-Cam has a Plug-in that basically color corrects in a few clicks. Wondering if this is available in your NLE of choice?
I agree, Z footage has a cooler tone to it. I shot the same settings on both cameras, and I noticed the difference while shooting. BUT I wasnt trying to match the cameras. A couple color tweaks like you said and the cameras would match very well imo. But I really wanted to show how the images compare with a normal Rec 709 look applied. I graded the clips manually by adding contrast and saturation back into the images and adjusting some levels here and there. Nothing crazy. I edit in FCP and I used the Z Cam plugin when grading but Ive had a mixed experience with this. I no longer use that Plug in because it does some wonky things to the footage and Ive noticed I can get better results when I grade from scratch.
exactly, i think the comparison was bias to sell the zcam as the better image. i too loved the zcam footage, however i have the a7siii and may be bias as well to the zcam footage, however the color shift between cameras, looks suspicious and deliberate, the colors are too close, plus too which color profile was the sony, the sony has some of the most color tweeks built in, on every picture profile. I would choose the SONY any day over the ZCAM, plus the image is sharper, even that can be a difference in lens and filter
Great video, subscribed. agree with everything you said. I shot zraw once when I first got my zcam just to feel out the workflow and then decided to not do it but a couple days ago I was browsing the group for the first time in awhile and I found out they have a premiere plugin for zraw now and I used it and wow, GAME CHANGER. I'm definitely going to be shooting zraw all the time now, but if i was cutting in final cut primarily I would still do prores LT for sure.
Looking at them side by side, the Z Cam feels nice BUT the Sony is producing awesome warmth. Only problem I have with the Sony - it feels a bit 'digital' in this comparison...maybe I'm crazy. But I actually preferred the warmth from Cam A for the most part. Awesome review!
I liked the extra detail produced by the Sony. The dynamic range seemed better also. I imagine you can get rid of some of that detail if it seems too digital, but I wouldn't want to. Saying that, I'm pretty new to this, and it would be interesting to see how I feel in a year's time or so.
Your one of the very few people I’ve subscribed to. Just like your overall approach. I’m finding a lot of the “glam-reviewers” have lost touch with the reality of the hustle. I’m trying to make my dollar stretch as far possible, but also trying to improve my game. Nice to see someone working the same angle. PS - I’m so used to working with IBIS in my A7RIII, I’d like to make moves on the Fx6 (no IBIS) but I’m worried about the jitters when using lenses with no optical stabilization. How did you find the ZCam in terms of working with a camera with no stabilization?
Thanks! That means a lot. The best way to deal with no IBIS is to make the camera heavier. You gotta rig it up. That’s why my Z Cam build was so big. The bigger and heavier the rig, the less micro jitter.
Thank you Bro ! I am so in love with the Zcam footages It would be very interesting to see the difference between the fx6 and the A7SIII Think about it Haha !
I choose the model🤟 After her it'll be camera B because the colors seem more accurate 3:10(with less magenta) in her white shirt. But both cameras look good, I guess price and features would be the next thing, so Z cam because I'm sure it's cheaper😁
Hai om pengetesan kameranya untuk z cam E2 mengapa tidak lakukan pada low light??? karen pada videomu sebelumnya anda melakukan test pada sony di low light Your education on this comparison its awesome make can choise whats my next camera to bought Thanks b4 dude , ✌🏼
I just got a BM Pocket 4k to shoot cinema style over my A73 and now the A7S3 looks like I may go back to Sony but not sure what camera will come out next or if it's worth it.
honestly i must confess the zcam looks good but i immediately observed the rolloff seems better on the sony and it seems to have more dynamic range and the film sauce can be achived with the use of some extra pieces of gear..... im no sony fanboy but to me the sony seemed better
"I would like to buy Camera B" "Sorry sir, what does Camera B Mean ?" "Are You kidding me ??? Camera A ? ......Camera B ?" "Oooooooh, sorry sir, we have 10 Camera B on stock , wait."
No needs to be scientifically proven images speak for themselves 😮 Z CAM is so beautiful and sharp you can still reproduce the grain of the Sony in post but not the other way around …that’s big for me to see that difference now I ll pick the Z cam 😅thx for your video !😊
My man -- at first I thought the z cam was a, but half way through i thought it was b. I think that says a lot -- excited to maybe get my hands on an s3 sometime!
a7s3 is way too digital sharp, and redish purple colors on whites and skin is way too visible. Try compare it with the Panasonic S1 as well. Good review, thanks
Yo Mac! coming from the GH5,GH4 world, I am impressed! I've been talking with a few other people and trying to do some research for my next camera purchase and found your channel and this video which I've happened to be looking at the Sony A7S3 and the Z-Cam S6. I mostly shoot wedding films on the side of my FT videography job. I know you can't go wrong with either camera but there's something about the Z-cam that I can't put my finger on when it comes to that special cinema sauce. With the A7S3 you can be like everyone else, or with the Z-cam you can be a little different but you got both of the best worlds right now! Sorry Rant done but just wondering what would you pick to pair with the GH5 and GH4 for my wedding films?
Thanks, very interesting! Not only the color is different but also the texture of her skin. I am a Sony user and have a brand new a7siii here, but I still prefer the z-cam in this comparison.
Are u blind lol, z cam makes her skin look greensih in comparison to sony (look at 2.13 and more), and some people still saying Sony has greenish skin tone, but z cam is even more greenish. If you love canon "magical" color, you'll love sony more, cause z cam is more green in this comparison.
Z-Cam E2-S6: WIN, First of all if we're talking about budget and cinematic, Z CAM in the image is smoother and solid with better focus and more details in the image. Z-Cam E2-S6: with a good LUT or Color Grading adding more contrast at the image is enough. Z-Cam E2-S6: ABOUT BUDGET, ABOUT IMAGE, ABOUT CINEMATIC LOOK, ABOUT FOCUS.... Z-Cam E2-S6 is better people If you can see the Sony Image has a little bit more contrast and that's it. Z-Cam E2-S6: With saturation and exposure win if you're comparing.
im shocked how much better the sony looks tbh. i was expecting a cinema camera to have way better highlight roll off and dynamic rage but the shot at 2:05 look at her hair clipping for the Z cam. sad.
The diff looks more mainly white balance. More magenta in the z cam. Also, you shot in a low bit rate for the Sony. The All-I has 600 mbps. That would have been closer to the pro res on the z cam.
Was sharpness all the way down on the Sony? Also, compare the autofocus and low light and I think it would swing toward Sony by a wide margin. Depends on the use I guess. For run and gun, the Sony is hard to beat even if it doesn’t look quite as nice. Good video! I use FCP also and with the slog, I apply the SONY LUT first, then do minimal grading after. The SONY LUT can be applied right under where you would set it for REC 709 in the information panel. Can’t remember if that’s built in or something I downloaded? Saves a ton of time grading though and can be batch applied to all clips in one click.
Yes Sony detail was set to -7. As far as AF goes, Sony wins by a long shot. Z Cam af isn’t usable. But lowlight would be interesting. The Z cams are very good in lowlight as well.
Adding more contrast to Sony makes it look more digital in my opinion. I don’t think switching to a Komodo is worth it. BUT it depends on what you need as a film maker. If you need Red Code then yes. If you need global shutter then yes. But if those don’t matter to you, then I would say no.
For me, when you see A then B, it's really close...but then side by side, for me, B is my preference, whatever one was Sony or Z-Cam. Doesn't surprise me that B was the Z-Cam. I am a Sony shooter, by the way, so hey, ho, lol.
@Mac Olink: Got the E2-F6 and struggeling exposing the camera correctly. Thats what I think. How the hell did you expose the Windowshots? I used Zlog2, Prores and tried different Iso-settings with an Apperture of F 4.0. I either got a white outside or an black inside. Is it possible to use the WDR-setting in the S6 and so in the F6 too?
Did you shoot 4K Crop or 4K scaled down in camera? That will also have a big difference on the E2-S6. That being said, why not just shoot 6K Prores if you are doing the full project and just deliver 4K. There are fairly large benefits to do doing this as you get a magmatically color lossless image in 4K then.
I think camera A has green tilt a little and camera B colors are more natural, but probably A is a little more cinematic. Both are great Video you can't get wrong with neither one.
now wack a black promist filter on the a7siii and see the difference, I do agree there is some special sauce about the zcam although I feel the a7siii with a 1/4 promist filter is hitting as similar tasting sauce
If you watch my “A7siii test footage” video I posted a week or so back, I was using a sigma 50mm with a DreamFX filter. You’re right, it definitley adds a little sauce. I’m shooting a project for one of my clients in the next few days on my a7siii, going to use my Canon FD set and see what these images look like 👀
Yeah I could tell the Sony right away. The Zcam has better roll off in the highlights and is not as sharp as the Sony. I’d love to pair some of my vintage glass with the Sony to take some of that digital edge off.
i watched for like 5 seconds and soon as i seen the skin tone i knew which 1 was sony. i fast forward to the end lol.... Being a sony shooter i recognize sony color
I like B more In the first 2 shots, now I like the look of A for the second 2. Long time sony user but I think it's be all the way. Camera B has more dynamic range from what I can see... Hopefully sony tho I think it isn't.
Chose B in all but 2 shots... The midtone contrast is way nicer and the colours don’t seem forced... That being said, I did think the Sony was B because the highlight roll-off wasn’t as smooth as A but that might be a grading thing... Btw, that “sauce” is colour science 🤙🏾
Nahh man that sauce is more than color science. The z cam footage just looks so organic, and much less digital. So does footage out of a Red/Arri, even the BMPCC cams have the sauce. These mirrorless bodies just seem too digital. I think it’s a sensor/processing thing. Idk. But you’re right, it could also be the way I graded. I’m not a colorist, just an average schmuck hahaha
@@MacOlink How come you got rid of your ZCAM if you liked the sauce from it bro? Curious to hear your thoughts on this as I know you're a guy that values image quality big time just based off the various rigs and lenses you've had on here
@@dna8269 it was a tough decision for me to get rid of my Z but I did it for a few reasons. 1) the A7siii image is just as good if you use the right lenses and diffusion. I’ve been shooting Sony for years and I’m much more comfortable coloring the footage, so that’s not an issue to me. 2) Rolling shutter. The Z has terrible rolling shutter. That’s it’s biggest flaw I’d say. The A7siii has almost no rolling shutter, making the image look better imo. 3) lenses. I’m a photographer too. I’d say 50% of the work I do is photo based, and I need native Sony glass if I want the best results. I was sick of having 2 different lens mounts and multiple sets of lenses. When Sony released the FX6 it was a no brainer for me to sell the Z. I’ll be picking up and FX6 soon..
I've been watching a lot of Z-cam footage recently so i could tell right away which is ZCam. Cinema cameras definitely got its own flavour that can't be match with a DSLR. Dope video.
Z-Cam has way less sharpening, image looks much smoother and more organic.
A7sIII looks quite digital in comparison but has better dynamic range.
Z cams got the sauce!
I think you mean better roll off ... you can see more of the blue in the sky the coulds and shadows with the Zcam .... Also look at it on a test chart. The Zcam has better DR.
Interesting to see! I totally agree with you that the S6 has this more professional/cinematic look.
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Both cameras produced beautiful imagery but I definitely agree with your evaluation. If I had directorial control on set and more time to compose each shot I would choose the Z Cam every time. However if it were a run n gun situation like event coverage or anything past sunset I would then select the Sony without question. Unless you’re short on funds keep them both and don’t sell either. Best of luck in 2021
Seeing them side by side really gives you a perspective. I chose B right from the first shot.
Keep it up 👍
Same. But I also shoot with an a7iii so can tell immediately what Sony footage looks like vs others. Highlight roll off as well as contrast are key differences. Plus the zcam just got that sauce I been he said it in the video lmao if you do this professionally you'll just be able to tell which is the cinema cam from the first shot. Great video here though!
I love them both. I feel the Zcam looks more filmic . Sony gives a very broadcast-y feel. I have both the a7s3 and e2f6 and keeping both. Both shoot beautifully. I choose B
Thanks for your comparison. I was thinking the cameras were the opposite because camera B has a little green tint. I was surprised when you said camera B was the Z-cam and the Sony did not have the green tint. Both look nice but I am drawn to the Z-cam footage for the look and feel of the footage. Like you said, I think this could be drawn out of the Sony to some extent. The IBIS and AF useful tools and hard to pass up.
Watching now... I like the green tint in the A but the skin tones and dynamic seems a bit better on B. BUT, I could not tell you which I LIKE better! If they weren't side by side, I would have been convinced both were cinema cams!
Well inside a room the Z-Cam is much more dynamic and it seems to me that it absorbes more light, while outside the Sony is more sharpening. But after all I prefer the Z Cam. Thanks for sharing! Cheers DimiZ
Z cam has a great image
Dude!!!! Your footage is some of the best looking I've seen YET. THAT shit looks GORGEOUS!
Thanks!
Every time I saw Cam B I was like damn it has that extra sauce. So when you said it later I was like YES!! Lol loving my E2 S6 after using it for a month
I have been WAITING FOR THIS! So helpful. There's a time and place for super sciencey tests, but man this was great
Amazing how its so similar in quality, except the sony did better in the dark areas. the full frame helped.
AGREE
A7SIII has so much better colors. I prefer A7SIII way over the zcam
if A is sony, im jumping of a bridge
Why?
@@BillRey Guess you'll never know if he's a man of his word
ok, i was just comparing from the thumbnail, since it was premiered and all i saw was the thumbnail. i actualy like B more, which is zcam. and to answer why, i just decided to buy a zcam and if the a7sIII was better looking, i would be really angry at myself
@@coudik I also just bought a Zcam, and I was so hoping it would be B as it looks so much better.
A is definitely z cam. You can totally see the highlights roll off than none of these compressed codecs can do internally xd
I'm really shocked. The highlight roll off on the Z cam was way better in those first window shots. Especially since the Sony tests at like 2 stops of DR higher than the Z cam. Hell ya
Thanks bro , this video was much needed 🏆 I’m getting the Z cam 💯
Long Life to You sensei!!!!! I waited for this comparaison sincère Sony A7 III out
It was 50-50 for me. A looked better in the indoor shots and B looked better in most of the outdoor shots.
Great video man. I liked B (Zcam) way more. And I’ve got a A7S3 preordered. Zcam looks dope. But I’m so looking forward to getting the A7S3
Like i said i thought camera B was Z cam, Z cam makes her skin look greensih in comparison to sony (look at 2.13 and more), and some people still saying Sony has greenish skin tone, but z cam is even more greenish. If you love canon "magical" color and canon user, you'll love sony more, cause z cam is more green in this comparison, and we canon shooters hate greenish skin tone. Or green tint.
Love your channel bro great videos!
Cinema sauce is a real thing, great video! Colours at 2:27 are just wow
It's not a real thing. It's just a codec look. Uncompressed data is uncompressed data
Its def a real thing
@@MacOlink science would disagree. a raw data feed from the sensor is going to be the exact same 1s and 0s regardless of what camera manufacturer puts the chip on a substrate. i'm not talking raw codex, i'm talking uncompressed RAW data. at that point, the only variable is the sensor, which are pretty much all made by sony anyway. There's no processing happening to the data. What exactly do you think a camera is doing to the data stream that gives it this "sauce" you think it has?
@@homewardboundphotos Hey you're clearly knowledgeable and props to you for that--but curious as to the point you're trying to prove or what you're looking to gain or change via your attitude and input? Your point of uncompressed data = uncompressed data is great, but how does that translate to the real world? Is there a simple shift in workflow I can implement to get a mirrorless camera to achieve the same look out of a camera like the Z-cam if uncompressed data = uncompressed data? Genuinely curious because if you can offer a useful tip that I can implement into my workflow, I'd love to know. Thanks in advance.
@@JoonJoseph get good at color grading and toning and you can make uncompressed raw look like anything you want. thats the whole point of uncompressed raw. if you want it to look like a cinema camera you can tone it to look like a cinema camera. if you want a more sharpened TV look you can do that too. it's whatever you want it to be.
the sony grades looked weird I think resolve's color transform would look better. The blacks where off
Nice vid, but I see more blue in the Z-Cam footage. I owned a E2 a little ways back and decided to go another way (Loved the E2 though). It is easy to spot @ 4:34. The Sony is more warmer and the Z-cam is more cooler in this instance. Wondering it you just hit the blue a bit in your footage there how would it fair? It seems that it is just a color tweak away. I would like to see how you color corrected and added your grade to both. I'm a predominantly PP user so I know Z-Cam has a Plug-in that basically color corrects in a few clicks. Wondering if this is available in your NLE of choice?
I agree, Z footage has a cooler tone to it. I shot the same settings on both cameras, and I noticed the difference while shooting. BUT I wasnt trying to match the cameras. A couple color tweaks like you said and the cameras would match very well imo. But I really wanted to show how the images compare with a normal Rec 709 look applied. I graded the clips manually by adding contrast and saturation back into the images and adjusting some levels here and there. Nothing crazy. I edit in FCP and I used the Z Cam plugin when grading but Ive had a mixed experience with this. I no longer use that Plug in because it does some wonky things to the footage and Ive noticed I can get better results when I grade from scratch.
exactly, i think the comparison was bias to sell the zcam as the better image. i too loved the zcam footage, however i have the a7siii and may be bias as well to the zcam footage, however the color shift between cameras, looks suspicious and deliberate, the colors are too close, plus too which color profile was the sony, the sony has some of the most color tweeks built in, on every picture profile. I would choose the SONY any day over the ZCAM, plus the image is sharper, even that can be a difference in lens and filter
Great video, subscribed. agree with everything you said. I shot zraw once when I first got my zcam just to feel out the workflow and then decided to not do it but a couple days ago I was browsing the group for the first time in awhile and I found out they have a premiere plugin for zraw now and I used it and wow, GAME CHANGER. I'm definitely going to be shooting zraw all the time now, but if i was cutting in final cut primarily I would still do prores LT for sure.
Thanks Mark! Yeah, if youre in premier then that Z Raw workflow is awesome now!
Out of topic but i think it will be easy to match those camera's output.
Take a shot for every time Mac says "scientific". I'm fuckin' lit right now.
Good comparison!
Looking at them side by side, the Z Cam feels nice BUT the Sony is producing awesome warmth. Only problem I have with the Sony - it feels a bit 'digital' in this comparison...maybe I'm crazy. But I actually preferred the warmth from Cam A for the most part. Awesome review!
ZCam is BEAST im sold
You had me at cinema sauce, new subscriber, dope video
I liked the extra detail produced by the Sony. The dynamic range seemed better also. I imagine you can get rid of some of that detail if it seems too digital, but I wouldn't want to.
Saying that, I'm pretty new to this, and it would be interesting to see how I feel in a year's time or so.
Your one of the very few people I’ve subscribed to. Just like your overall approach. I’m finding a lot of the “glam-reviewers” have lost touch with the reality of the hustle. I’m trying to make my dollar stretch as far possible, but also trying to improve my game. Nice to see someone working the same angle. PS - I’m so used to working with IBIS in my A7RIII, I’d like to make moves on the Fx6 (no IBIS) but I’m worried about the jitters when using lenses with no optical stabilization. How did you find the ZCam in terms of working with a camera with no stabilization?
Thanks! That means a lot. The best way to deal with no IBIS is to make the camera heavier. You gotta rig it up. That’s why my Z Cam build was so big. The bigger and heavier the rig, the less micro jitter.
@@MacOlink I was afraid you’d say that! Lol. Thanks for the reply, very much appreciated :)
Nice comparison mate. The Z cam is an absolute beast!
In some shots A looks a little better. But B looks better in more shots.
Thank you Bro ! I am so in love with the Zcam footages
It would be very interesting to see the difference between the fx6 and the A7SIII
Think about it Haha !
Great video. Its good to know that i didnt regret subscribing to your channel after i watched one vid
hahaha thanks!
Zcam was way better. I don’t like Sony colour or Sony menus. Like you, I think ProRes LT is a great compromise. Thanks for the comparison.
I choose the model🤟 After her it'll be camera B because the colors seem more accurate 3:10(with less magenta) in her white shirt. But both cameras look good, I guess price and features would be the next thing, so Z cam because I'm sure it's cheaper😁
This was dope Mac .. you was right it’s close 🙏🏼
Hai om pengetesan kameranya untuk z cam E2 mengapa tidak lakukan pada low light??? karen pada videomu sebelumnya anda melakukan test pada sony di low light
Your education on this comparison its awesome make can choise whats my next camera to bought
Thanks b4 dude , ✌🏼
I just got a BM Pocket 4k to shoot cinema style over my A73 and now the A7S3 looks like I may go back to Sony but not sure what camera will come out next or if it's worth it.
Depends on what you need!
honestly i must confess the zcam looks good but i immediately observed the rolloff seems better on the sony and it seems to have more dynamic range and the film sauce can be achived with the use of some extra pieces of gear..... im no sony fanboy but to me the sony seemed better
Ill be dropping a video soon about achieving some sauce haha
Definitely prefer the Z image / colors. Much less of a "digital" feeling
"I would like to buy Camera B"
"Sorry sir, what does Camera B Mean ?"
"Are You kidding me ??? Camera A ? ......Camera B ?"
"Oooooooh, sorry sir, we have 10 Camera B on stock , wait."
I love my Z-Cam S6 and E2C
No needs to be scientifically proven images speak for themselves 😮 Z CAM is so beautiful and sharp you can still reproduce the grain of the Sony in post but not the other way around …that’s big for me to see that difference now I ll pick the Z cam 😅thx for your video !😊
the cinema sauce!
I’m not crazy, right? Haha
My man -- at first I thought the z cam was a, but half way through i thought it was b. I think that says a lot -- excited to maybe get my hands on an s3 sometime!
You need one!
Amazing Work ✌️
Thanks!
a7s3 is way too digital sharp, and redish purple colors on whites and skin is way too visible. Try compare it with the Panasonic S1 as well. Good review, thanks
Yo Mac! coming from the GH5,GH4 world, I am impressed! I've been talking with a few other people and trying to do some research for my next camera purchase and found your channel and this video which I've happened to be looking at the Sony A7S3 and the Z-Cam S6. I mostly shoot wedding films on the side of my FT videography job. I know you can't go wrong with either camera but there's something about the Z-cam that I can't put my finger on when it comes to that special cinema sauce. With the A7S3 you can be like everyone else, or with the Z-cam you can be a little different but you got both of the best worlds right now! Sorry Rant done but just wondering what would you pick to pair with the GH5 and GH4 for my wedding films?
I would go for a Black Magic 6K Pro as it uses the same crop. André
Gday, when you mention that you mainly record Zcam in ProRes , i thought it only records H.265/ 264 ? Did you use a external recorder ?? Cheers
Thank you !
Thanks, very interesting! Not only the color is different but also the texture of her skin. I am a Sony user and have a brand new a7siii here, but I still prefer the z-cam in this comparison.
FWIW, even swapping two dofferent lenses on to the same body can result in different colors.
Are u blind lol, z cam makes her skin look greensih in comparison to sony (look at 2.13 and more), and some people still saying Sony has greenish skin tone, but z cam is even more greenish. If you love canon "magical" color, you'll love sony more, cause z cam is more green in this comparison.
Colorists truly dgaf.
Z-Cam E2-S6: WIN, First of all if we're talking about budget and cinematic, Z CAM in the image is smoother and solid with better focus and more details in the image.
Z-Cam E2-S6: with a good LUT or Color Grading adding more contrast at the image is enough.
Z-Cam E2-S6: ABOUT BUDGET, ABOUT IMAGE, ABOUT CINEMATIC LOOK, ABOUT FOCUS.... Z-Cam E2-S6 is better people
If you can see the Sony Image has a little bit more contrast and that's it.
Z-Cam E2-S6: With saturation and exposure win if you're comparing.
Z-Cam looks great and better in my opinion but I still prefer the a7s iii because of all the extra features like low light capability, auto focus etc
correct
im shocked how much better the sony looks tbh. i was expecting a cinema camera to have way better highlight roll off and dynamic rage but the shot at 2:05 look at her hair clipping for the Z cam. sad.
Man it s so easy to tell which is which by the LUT. Sony made its white yellow and pinky. Simple.
Both INSANE just different tools with their own sauce :D
mhmmmmmm
The diff looks more mainly white balance. More magenta in the z cam. Also, you shot in a low bit rate for the Sony. The All-I has 600 mbps. That would have been closer to the pro res on the z cam.
I plan on shooting the ALL-I Codec on a7siii and making a video about this soon!
Was sharpness all the way down on the Sony? Also, compare the autofocus and low light and I think it would swing toward Sony by a wide margin. Depends on the use I guess. For run and gun, the Sony is hard to beat even if it doesn’t look quite as nice. Good video! I use FCP also and with the slog, I apply the SONY LUT first, then do minimal grading after. The SONY LUT can be applied right under where you would set it for REC 709 in the information panel. Can’t remember if that’s built in or something I downloaded? Saves a ton of time grading though and can be batch applied to all clips in one click.
Yes Sony detail was set to -7. As far as AF goes, Sony wins by a long shot. Z Cam af isn’t usable. But lowlight would be interesting. The Z cams are very good in lowlight as well.
The Sony looks much better in the low light shots. Everything else, the Z wins. Nice video by the way.
1.What do you think if you add some more contrast for a7s iii in post production, it will looks like Z Cam?
2. Is it worth switch from Zcam to Komodo?
Adding more contrast to Sony makes it look more digital in my opinion. I don’t think switching to a Komodo is worth it. BUT it depends on what you need as a film maker. If you need Red Code then yes. If you need global shutter then yes. But if those don’t matter to you, then I would say no.
@@MacOlink Thanks you for the video and answer! I have 7s iii but want upgraded to Komodo or Zcam.
Yup I was saying b was better
Jumping ship from Panasonic to A7Siii soon but must say the z cam was a clear winner here - skin reproduction is fire
Mhm Z Cam colors are pretty sick!
For me, when you see A then B, it's really close...but then side by side, for me, B is my preference, whatever one was Sony or Z-Cam. Doesn't surprise me that B was the Z-Cam. I am a Sony shooter, by the way, so hey, ho, lol.
Love the videos. Do you think the a7S iii & Z cam footage cut well together? Suppose I want to use the a7S iii as a b-cam to the Z cam
Yes, S-Log and Z-Log have a very similar gamma curve and pair really well together!
I actually liked the Sony better in your examples which is rare I usually prefer Canon or Panasonics colors. Strange
New color science from sony
@Mac Olink: Got the E2-F6 and struggeling exposing the camera correctly. Thats what I think. How the hell did you expose the Windowshots? I used Zlog2, Prores and tried different Iso-settings with an Apperture of F 4.0. I either got a white outside or an black inside. Is it possible to use the WDR-setting in the S6 and so in the F6 too?
were you using autofocus on the sony?
no!
Well said "sauce" ! Great job!
is it really so hard to label which frame is which camera?
How is the monitoring delay compared between these two?
We can have a best skin tone with B, and a dynamic range very important. I choose B.
Indeed? You probably think that we all have green blood, otherwise how to explain that the face on B is also green 😂.
Cumbersome workflow
Both cameras produce some amazing looking footage man.
Thank you sir!
Thanks
Did you shoot 4K Crop or 4K scaled down in camera? That will also have a big difference on the E2-S6. That being said, why not just shoot 6K Prores if you are doing the full project and just deliver 4K. There are fairly large benefits to do doing this as you get a magmatically color lossless image in 4K then.
On my S6 I shot full sensor 4k. I dont need the 6k resolution and Id rather keep file sizes down. Just personal preference.
I think camera A has green tilt a little and camera B colors are more natural, but probably A is a little more cinematic. Both are great Video you can't get wrong with neither one.
Personal I will probably go with B just for more Natural skin tone
Z-Cam sometimes has orangy skin tones in bright light. A7SIII skin tones has too much red in dark light.
now wack a black promist filter on the a7siii and see the difference, I do agree there is some special sauce about the zcam although I feel the a7siii with a 1/4 promist filter is hitting as similar tasting sauce
If you watch my “A7siii test footage” video I posted a week or so back, I was using a sigma 50mm with a DreamFX filter. You’re right, it definitley adds a little sauce. I’m shooting a project for one of my clients in the next few days on my a7siii, going to use my Canon FD set and see what these images look like 👀
@@MacOlink a7S iii x Canon FD test footage on the channel would be sweet
Compare z with eos R10
Yeah I could tell the Sony right away. The Zcam has better roll off in the highlights and is not as sharp as the Sony. I’d love to pair some of my vintage glass with the Sony to take some of that digital edge off.
that was so easy. the way the hightlight rolls off her face you can tell the B was the ZCam... bless
what is the music in this video, really linking it.
B ...Way better highlight roll-off and skin tone.
i watched for like 5 seconds and soon as i seen the skin tone i knew which 1 was sony. i fast forward to the end lol.... Being a sony shooter i recognize sony color
Yup. And I saw that magenta shift too lol
5:05 🔥🔥 best shot of the whole video
I will not argue that haha
Is it hard to keep moving targets in focus when using the Z cam? I want to get it but worried about manual focusing
Not really.. just practice!
I like B more In the first 2 shots, now I like the look of A for the second 2. Long time sony user but I think it's be all the way. Camera B has more dynamic range from what I can see... Hopefully sony tho I think it isn't.
A looks so much nicer
I think camera a looks better tbh
Seems like Sony is too sharp. Can you compare the motion blur on zcam and SIII?
Its better on A7SIII because less rolling shutter!
Z Cams plug-in is not vary good.
"Cinema Sauce" is NOT the actual term??? But it is definitively a value you have to take into consideration. :-D
It sure as hell should be a term 🤣
iam purches good are no telmee
Chose B in all but 2 shots... The midtone contrast is way nicer and the colours don’t seem forced... That being said, I did think the Sony was B because the highlight roll-off wasn’t as smooth as A but that might be a grading thing...
Btw, that “sauce” is colour science 🤙🏾
Nahh man that sauce is more than color science. The z cam footage just looks so organic, and much less digital. So does footage out of a Red/Arri, even the BMPCC cams have the sauce. These mirrorless bodies just seem too digital. I think it’s a sensor/processing thing. Idk. But you’re right, it could also be the way I graded. I’m not a colorist, just an average schmuck hahaha
@@MacOlink How come you got rid of your ZCAM if you liked the sauce from it bro? Curious to hear your thoughts on this as I know you're a guy that values image quality big time just based off the various rigs and lenses you've had on here
@@dna8269 it was a tough decision for me to get rid of my Z but I did it for a few reasons. 1) the A7siii image is just as good if you use the right lenses and diffusion. I’ve been shooting Sony for years and I’m much more comfortable coloring the footage, so that’s not an issue to me. 2) Rolling shutter. The Z has terrible rolling shutter. That’s it’s biggest flaw I’d say. The A7siii has almost no rolling shutter, making the image look better imo. 3) lenses. I’m a photographer too. I’d say 50% of the work I do is photo based, and I need native Sony glass if I want the best results. I was sick of having 2 different lens mounts and multiple sets of lenses. When Sony released the FX6 it was a no brainer for me to sell the Z. I’ll be picking up and FX6 soon..
@@MacOlink Makes sense! Appreciate the reply and breakdown bro