Most people push and pull because they can’t apply slow, steady pressure to the trigger. That is the most accurate way to shoot. Not punching, but moving the trigger with a single digit instead of your entire upper body. But if you have bad target panic this is a good place to start.
No lie Joel turners method has changed my entire outlook on archery shooting gave me a entire new chance at shooting accurate archery in shot my best 3d season yet and now moving indoors we shall see
The crowd who constantly say, “you should be surprised when bow goes off” is so wrong. good form and trigger control. You should release your shot when you want it to go off. especially hunting
If you can learn to be a top level command shooter, then that’s great! More often than not people develop extreme target panic (and don’t even know they have it) and end up trigger punching, rushing the shot, can’t hold their pin on target, etc etc. I see it daily and used to help people fix it when I worked in an archery shop. Sooooo many trigger punchers. People are anxious of the shot going off. So to remedy that I would suggest learning the surprise shot first. Once you have mastered your mind and disconnected the shock of the shot to the actual shot process, sure, shoot a command shot. But it’s all about building the right habits first. And if you can do that, more power to you!
It's why I prefer and believe that people should start with a resistance release this way you learn how you "should" shoot and once you have gotten that process down then you can go and use a thumb button or hinge and then decide if you want to shoot the way you "should" or if you want to bend that method or break it all together
This idea of you have to have a "surprise release" is non sense. Granted that's how I shoot but if you squeeze off the trigger or your a "puncher" that's perfectly fine as long as it's repeatable. Tim Gillinham is one of the greatest target archers and he is a so called trigger puncher. Jerry Carter ,the owner/founder of carter releases is a so called puncher. It's bullshit to tell people your doing it wrong if your not pulling thru.
I don't understand some of these comments. "Surprise! You missed!" Or "surprise you lost an arrow!". 🤔 Uhhh guys you start pulling when your pin is on target. Or is your pin float SO big that it's constantly leaving the target and you have to time the shot?
Dude, put your nose on the string so your eye is in the same position every time. And stick your trigger thump under your ear behind your jaw bone. That way you at least have the same starting draw point on your release. If your release wont let you do it, you have the wrong gear!!! Consistency leads to accuracy.
I’ve killed 21 deer with a bow in my life and only lost one to a bad shot 😂 There are some instances that a command shot is required if the animal is moving. But 90% of time when the animal isn’t alert and standing still, it’s the correct way. Most people have trigger punching target panic and anticipate the shot causing marginal shot placement. Just watch hunting RUclips videos 😂 but to each their own. If you shoot a command shot well, more power to you!
Draw length too long, poundage too high. Thats why its “ comfortable” to shoot that way. It will condition your shooting to inconsistencies. Strengthen your back n hips for an upright stance which is the first foundation of consistency before moving up the body to consistent releases and anchoring.
A lot of people can't do it consistently under pressure. That's why some folks learn surprise release. The problem is these YT guys act like it's the only way to shoot and anyone commanding is wrong.
@@gordonneverdies I’ve learned to shoot command and it’s the most accurate I’ve ever been. I’ve been taking in this surprise release stuff for years and have always struggled in 3d with it. I learned to a podcast with Kyle Douglas and thought I’d give command a shot and I wish I would have never fallen into the surprise release rabbit hole. Commanding under pressure makes it that much better for me since I know I have to hit the twelve ring to take any kind of podium and check.
I have no experience with firing bows but I think you push on the trigger thing to release it but you have to make sure there is good resistance on the string to fire it without loosing power
@@ellis3455Makes me wanna grumble like an old man about newfangled stuff. Can just use your fingers to draw and release, though I imagine this might be more comfortable when holding a high poundage for a while.
Let me elaborate! You push into the grip with your palm that is holding the bow, and at the same time, you think about pulling your release hand elbow backwards and down. That allows the button to push against your thumb and release the string. The idea is not to manually push the button, but to rather create enough resistance that the button will fire on its own. The push pull motion allows the release to move just slightly in your hand to make it go off!
@@ellis3455 kinda on the right track. You are trying to make sure that you don’t manually punch the trigger button itself. The push pull action allows the release to move in your hand, creating pressure on the button, which in turn makes it fire!
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder haha I like shooting with fingers too. With a release it makes your shot more repeatable and consistent, and like you said more comfortable to hold for a long period of time. We love all methods of archery around here!
@midwest.madness he goes off on people that bury the button in deep towards the thumb web. However that's exactly how Jon Jones at Spokane Valley Archery and several other coaches recommend. I say do whatever works for you and delivers an accurate shot.
Your form isn’t even much good, stop leaning back and putting weight on your back foot. Shift your weight forward, you want to feel like you are leaning forward.
That’s how you shoot most releases correctly.
or yk every single one
Most people push and pull because they can’t apply slow, steady pressure to the trigger. That is the most accurate way to shoot. Not punching, but moving the trigger with a single digit instead of your entire upper body. But if you have bad target panic this is a good place to start.
Joel turner much? 😂
No lie Joel turners method has changed my entire outlook on archery shooting gave me a entire new chance at shooting accurate archery in shot my best 3d season yet and now moving indoors we shall see
@codysmith7456 exactly what I was thinking! 😂😂. Joel has entered the chat. 😅😂
@@codysmith7456 offended much?
@@tannerharris1483 no but you seem to be
IMO, the best AND easiest way to get a thumb to fire. It becomes basically automatic with training. 👍👍
Amen to that!
The crowd who constantly say, “you should be surprised when bow goes off” is so wrong. good form and trigger control. You should release your shot when you want it to go off. especially hunting
If you can learn to be a top level command shooter, then that’s great! More often than not people develop extreme target panic (and don’t even know they have it) and end up trigger punching, rushing the shot, can’t hold their pin on target, etc etc. I see it daily and used to help people fix it when I worked in an archery shop. Sooooo many trigger punchers. People are anxious of the shot going off. So to remedy that I would suggest learning the surprise shot first. Once you have mastered your mind and disconnected the shock of the shot to the actual shot process, sure, shoot a command shot. But it’s all about building the right habits first. And if you can do that, more power to you!
It's why I prefer and believe that people should start with a resistance release this way you learn how you "should" shoot and once you have gotten that process down then you can go and use a thumb button or hinge and then decide if you want to shoot the way you "should" or if you want to bend that method or break it all together
Good shot process
This idea of you have to have a "surprise release" is non sense. Granted that's how I shoot but if you squeeze off the trigger or your a "puncher" that's perfectly fine as long as it's repeatable. Tim Gillinham is one of the greatest target archers and he is a so called trigger puncher. Jerry Carter ,the owner/founder of carter releases is a so called puncher. It's bullshit to tell people your doing it wrong if your not pulling thru.
What up. Thanks. Super helpful. Can you put me in to what that bag is that you’re wearing. Looks like something i could benefit from out in the woods
That bag is called a bino-harness... there are many different makes and models. Just find one that fits brother
Not sure about wrapping the thumb deep around the button, whatever works for you though
Why not?
I’d like to see a trigger release video how to 👍🏼
We can do it! Keep your eye on the page 👊🏻
What would you recommend doing if somebody jumb very bad when they shoot a surprise release
That happens more when you're not used to it. The shock goes away eventually when it becomes the new norm.
Big facts
You know it!
Great tips!! Thanks
I don't understand some of these comments. "Surprise! You missed!" Or "surprise you lost an arrow!". 🤔 Uhhh guys you start pulling when your pin is on target. Or is your pin float SO big that it's constantly leaving the target and you have to time the shot?
Dude, put your nose on the string so your eye is in the same position every time. And stick your trigger thump under your ear behind your jaw bone. That way you at least have the same starting draw point on your release. If your release wont let you do it, you have the wrong gear!!! Consistency leads to accuracy.
That's another gimmick standard release with a trigger finger is just as good
You still shoot an index release with back pressure
Not exactly true information a single digit closed circuit shot execution is more accurate. Just sayin
Surprise mfka your arrows gone. Hell nah. I control my sht. Practice everyday, good equipment and muscle memory.
Surprise shots that hit high in the back.... lol you know its true.... make some videos about the effect of gravity on an arrow out of a treestand!
I’ve killed 21 deer with a bow in my life and only lost one to a bad shot 😂 There are some instances that a command shot is required if the animal is moving. But 90% of time when the animal isn’t alert and standing still, it’s the correct way. Most people have trigger punching target panic and anticipate the shot causing marginal shot placement. Just watch hunting RUclips videos 😂 but to each their own. If you shoot a command shot well, more power to you!
The angle of your hand looks a little steep.
Your kinda leaning back and not standing straight... great video tho and good release...
I call it the gangsta lean 😂 not sure why but my body feels most comfortable like that. Appreciate the comment!!
Draw length too long, poundage too high.
Thats why its “ comfortable” to shoot that way. It will condition your shooting to inconsistencies. Strengthen your back n hips for an upright stance which is the first foundation of consistency before moving up the body to consistent releases and anchoring.
Did you know some of the best archers in the world shoot command? Why give out false information?
A lot of people can't do it consistently under pressure. That's why some folks learn surprise release. The problem is these YT guys act like it's the only way to shoot and anyone commanding is wrong.
@@gordonneverdies I’ve learned to shoot command and it’s the most accurate I’ve ever been. I’ve been taking in this surprise release stuff for years and have always struggled in 3d with it. I learned to a podcast with Kyle Douglas and thought I’d give command a shot and I wish I would have never fallen into the surprise release rabbit hole. Commanding under pressure makes it that much better for me since I know I have to hit the twelve ring to take any kind of podium and check.
Huh?? You push and pull at the same time?? How😂
I have no experience with firing bows but I think you push on the trigger thing to release it but you have to make sure there is good resistance on the string to fire it without loosing power
@@ellis3455Makes me wanna grumble like an old man about newfangled stuff. Can just use your fingers to draw and release, though I imagine this might be more comfortable when holding a high poundage for a while.
Let me elaborate! You push into the grip with your palm that is holding the bow, and at the same time, you think about pulling your release hand elbow backwards and down. That allows the button to push against your thumb and release the string. The idea is not to manually push the button, but to rather create enough resistance that the button will fire on its own.
The push pull motion allows the release to move just slightly in your hand to make it go off!
@@ellis3455 kinda on the right track. You are trying to make sure that you don’t manually punch the trigger button itself. The push pull action allows the release to move in your hand, creating pressure on the button, which in turn makes it fire!
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder haha I like shooting with fingers too. With a release it makes your shot more repeatable and consistent, and like you said more comfortable to hold for a long period of time. We love all methods of archery around here!
Oh boy if John Dudley sees you shooting that way he'll have something to say about it.
What exactly would he be mad about 😂
@midwest.madness he goes off on people that bury the button in deep towards the thumb web. However that's exactly how Jon Jones at Spokane Valley Archery and several other coaches recommend. I say do whatever works for you and delivers an accurate shot.
I'll keep shooting with my fingers thanks.😂
Surprise you missed
Your form isn’t even much good, stop leaning back and putting weight on your back foot. Shift your weight forward, you want to feel like you are leaning forward.
Homie that stance needs to be corrected before you start educating people how to shoot. Good tip though. 😂
I call it the gangster lean. 😂
Those suck.
like you do