I think the thing that is so stunning about Rayner is that she started from pretty much the absolute bottom. Not really getting love at home, behind in school then out of school, starting work at the lowest levels of our societies work force, yet she was able to rise through her own force of character and ability to get people on side up to one of the four or five most powerful people in the country today. There is something so deeply authentic about her
Her life demonstrates the effectiveness of British Culture's tolerant inclusion of the poor and all others. You might personally disagree but the evidence has always been there through history. Othello exemplifies many international black merchants in London's port, prompting QE the First to complain to the Lord Chamberlain (Shakespeare's sponsor)! Our love of Global Trade obliged us to welcome merchant immigrants here, Spanish Armada shipwrecked sailors, Vikings, Romans, global Allies in WW2. We've always welcomed immigrants who have married us. UK Citizens ALL descend from immigrants because our Green & Pleasant Island attracts them & requires them. Equality Laws, inclusion, love of others, Global Trade dependence.
@@MarkAHowellYou are right about the immigrant tradition. But the native poor have always found it really hard to rise because as soon as they open their mouth their class is revealed. Angela is sadly a rare exception in rising from the bottom tenth.
@@MarkAHowell . The fact that Reform seeks to destroy that historical evidence, is one of the main reasons to resist their influence. I would just say that the example of Angela Rayner's success, and the fact that every article highlights the point, only goes to prove how very, very rare it is. If it was a widespread occurrence, nobody would mention it. Possibly 20 or 30 years ago the chances for social mobility for those on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder were slowly improving...14 years of Tory rule have reversed that trend, so it has become even harder. It looks as if the exceptions can be found in some sharp, cunning individuals who realised that if they were even more greedy and ruthless than those in power, they could be willing participants in the looting of the economy by entering the banking sector as stock traders.
The point is, who signed the papers for the fake candidates. They may have committed an offence against the Representation of the People Act or other laws
I couldn’t agree more that Mr Sunak brought a tremendous sense of dignity to the proceedings with his departure speech from Downing Street. It was very old fashioned and respectful to everyone concerned. As a lad I remember being warmly encouraged to show a sense of what we then thought of as sportsmanship in which we honour our opponents and thereby the “game” with an honest assessment of their aims and achievements. I hope this will be emulated by others.
Bull shit. It was a last photo opportunity to try to claw back some kind of dignity. He was a terrible pm and his Rwanda scheme is or was a disgrace. Good riddance to him and his fake resignation speech
His performances every week in PMQs was atrocious! He just tried to copy the deplorable antics of Boris Johnson : NEVER answer a question . Shout and point and gesticulate. Make vile and untrue accusations about the Opposition party and its leader. Absolutely no dignity or integrity there. One speech - which he actually didn’t have any option about making - does not change the man’s overweening vanity and petulance, nor the lies he continually pushed.
@@colinmorgan8624 it’s not a snide remark. He’s exactly right. You’re just a naïve sycophant who thinks his resignation speech came from a genuine place. It didn’t.
So is this right... to nominate a candidate you have to be verified; to vote you need identification; to count the votes you have to be vetted... but you can become an MP with absolutely no verification/identification whatsoever? Democracy in inaction!
All you need to do to nominate a candidate is be a registered voter on the electoral register in the relevant area so the verification is just to confirm that you are a registered voter. And the vote counters are usually local council employees so the vetting is only the interview process for that job and a quick check that you are impartial (I.e not involved in any of the campaigns). The vote ID rules were brought in by Johnson in the hopes that it would sway the votes in the Tories favour because their supporters were more likely to have ID, but otherwise unnecessary. Most candidates are vetted, at least the main party ones are by internal processes to be allowed to stand. But you can bet that the successful candidates will be put through some sort of covert checks by the security services - especially the independent or extremist sounding ones
Jess Phillips is a fellow Brummie like myself. I watched her acceptance speech and as a man i felt genuinely horrified by the response she got. I'd be emotional if I'd taken a crapload of abuse for 6-7 weeks straight. This is not acceptable and i hope those people are smashed from the electoral system for good.
Your Angela Rayner interview was the moment I realised that Labour were going to win to be honest. I cheered her on her walk to Number 10. Cometh the hour, cometh the lady !
Before I saw that interview I didn't know much about her and as a consequence, didn't really have an opinion about her, positive or negative. But after watching that interview my opinion definitely became positive.
So glad you mentioned Ukraine in your item about journalists. As a supporter of Ukraine I gave up listening to BBC because there is hardly any coverage , although I did catch something on the World Service last night. For years I thought " What's happening about .....( insert conflict eg Ouigars ) I suppose the public just just get bored. In Ukraine's case it is on our back door step, it's not a 'faraway country of which we know little. ' I love your podcasts it's so nice to hear intelligent polite conversation.
Most people can listen to a news story about Sudan or Ukraine and feel powerless to change it, and know that intervention can be damaging, so just move on.
@@davegold You are saying that people are too ignorant to understand the consequences of allowing a dictator, who is quite frankly savage, to crush a legitimate democracy in Europe? If they are then it is the fault of the BBC and their like. They did not bother to uncover the truth of what was happening in 2014, relying instead on their usual patchy reporting of who is winning what combined with a "who knows what the truth is , the Russians say X and the Ukrainians say Y" cop out. They did nothing except hype up the Azov brigade after that with the result that Russian justificatory propaganda and the Oliver Stones of the World led people to accept Russian narratives. It really does sicken me when after events like the Russian flooding of the Dnipro the BBC does their precious both sides "guess we'll never really know who did it shuffle". Is it so hard to say "unless there's evidence otherwise, the invaders with a track record of terror tactics did it".
Oh welcome to their fan club! 😄Do check out their back episodes, I’ve learned so much watching/listening to these two. They also conduct some fascinating interviews with people who relax and open up and reveal far more about themselves than any gotcha journalist would elicit.
Thank you for talking about and explaining the Sudan situation. Really not enough coverage on this situation at all. Lots of family have been displaced and completely lost their childhood homes/toys.
Love you guys and thought the reply to Joe was funny. But I think you missed a real opportunity to focus on the second half of his question, of how do you inform yourself and your vote if you feel you don’t align with any of the candidates but still try to make the most of it socially or otherwise.
i've never voted for our mp and she does nothing for us? i don't know about that, but she might as well be invisible for us.. (i'm sure she's a nice person) 🙂
I'm a voter in Leeds north west who grew up there, and I'm quite grateful that ballot papers give the address (at least constituency) of the candidate. You can't pretend to represent a constituency if you don't know them, so you need to live if not _in_ the constituency, at least pretty close. The reform candidate (although her name was entertaining: Jayne Bond) apparently lives in the Sleaford and North Hykeham constituency. A place I had never even heard of, which after research is a 90 mile (near 2 hour) drive from Leeds NW. It's ridiculous. Beyond that, you can't find out anything about her, no photo, no information of any kind on the reform website. It really wouldn't surprise me if she really was a fake person. ReformUK are simply a total scam.
There's a youtube channel called TLDR news global, part of TLDR news. They are in total about 10 guys in their 20s in one studio, and they do more world news coverage than BBC with its huge resources.
Sadly I know our Reform Candidate, Ian Gribbin (? spelling), definitely exists, he turned up to one of our hustings. He is the man who made the awful comment about Hitler, which was a bit of an own goal given that the church used for the meeting has an RAF WW2 memorial stained glass window, and the airman is buried in the churchyard, as he crashed and died after being shot down nearby. Gribbin was a very odd person, couldn't answer the questions coherently, and seemed to have trouble keeping his trousers up when he stood up to talk. 😮
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Rhun ap Iorwerth really impressed me during the very minor time he had on TV for PC, I'd love him on leading to learn more, likewise for Carla Denyer and the greens.
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I thought Alastair made a great point that passed by too quickly. He mentioned that the media is too profit driven. I couldn’t agree more. The “news” has to be about more than financial profit. It needs to be about informing people about what is actually happening at home and in the world, without underlying biases….
You can't really have an impartial government funded media, so you have a private media which needs to keep itself solvent. One could of course argue that the market would winnow out the unreliable media but unfortunately people choose media because it is biased one way or another. Fortunately, if you care, it IS possible to judge source reliability and come by a considered view by going through the many sources available on alternative media. For instance, the average Joe learns nothing about Ukraine by following the mainstream, but fortunately there are a number of independent social media producers who spend their lives going through the available footage and reports and they can be judged on their track record.
Watching from Africa it strikes me that what Jess Philips went through is an indication of what opposition candidates and the supporters go through as a general rule in elections in Africa.
I am a convert to Al Jazeera - as you say covers many stories from around the world (and daily detail of Gazza) and you think why isn't this being covered on the other channels ... ... Recommend people take a look at it !
Al jazeera shows dead bodies but not swearing. US News shows dead bodied, acts of violence but not swearing. (Until Trump anyway) UK News shows swearing but not dead bodies and censors acts of violence usually. No particular point just an observation how different things are seen as acceptable to show.
I thought it was a very odd comment from Andrew Neil, the Tories have been deliberately driving out the more moderate members since Brexit, how much further right does he believe 'true' conservatism is?
If you're getting a new labour MP on Leading I recommend Samantha Niblett, South Derbyshire. I met her during the campaign and she came across as very honest rather than repeating lines from the manifesto.
Thanks Rory for mentioning the conflict in Myanmar. One of the big changes in Myanmar is the level of unity against the Junta. Prior to the 2021 coup any conflict was often seen as an 'ethnic minority issue'. Now with the NUG acting as a transitional government in exile and much more recognition and cooperation of ethnic areas, there are now well respected plans of what a post-conflict nation would look like. The main issue is actually reaching the conculation of that conflict, the Junta has almost no support from the people but still has tanks and jets whereas EAOs and citizen forces mainly have old rifles and what they can put together from abandoned supplies, 3D prints and commercial items. On journalism feel the need to give praise to the BBC and Channel 4 who recently did have journalists go into Myanmar to do some in depth reporting on the conflict.
Regarding whether Keir Starmer could serve as Prime Minister if he had lost his constituency seat, this happened in Canada to William Lyon Mackenzie King in 1945. It was determined that the constitutional convention required that a person be appointed Prime Minister who could command a majority in parliament, and since King was that person, then he was able to continue as Prime Minister, though he had to sit in the gallery until he won a by election later that month.
In the 60s or 70s (I'm old, the decades have melded in my memory) the UK attitude was that Greece was too backward to care for them properly. I always thought that was a stupid colonial attitude.
I don't refer to them as the Elgin Marbles. I refer to them as the Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of His Britannic Majesty to the Sublime Porte of Selim III Sultan of Turkey Marbles.
Maybe a daft question, but is the news cycle driving the news cycle? By which I mean they look at clicks and give more focus to the stories that garner interest rather than the news editor deciding what should be important and making the news driving engagement rather than engagement driving the news.
Anyone who buys government bonds “gilts” (which pay interest and promise to pay back in a fixed time) - which is those people and a few more besides. If a country is stable politically and appears to be be run by people who know what they’re doing, investors will buy a country’s bonds even if the “yield”(interest rate payable) is very low because they are a backstop, very low risk investment (companies go bust, countries very rarely do). So a well run country pays lower interest on its debt (some countries - eg Switzerland - have been known to have NEGATIVE bond yields, ie investors have to pay to buy them - because demand for their bonds is very high, because of their perceived stability/low risk. If however investors don’t understand the government’s strategies or worse, think the government are fantasists, corrupt or incompetent, they will only buy the bonds if the interest rate is higher - because they are taking a bigger risk. What do you think happens when you have a policy that deliberately disrupts your trade, followed by a rapid succession of PMs including one whose economic policy included unfunded tax cuts? Correct, you have to pay more interest to persuade people to buy your bonds because your policies look incoherent and chaotic, so the cost of your debt goes up.
For the 25:35 minute mark, regarding what happens when a party wins a majority of seats but their leader loses their seat -- we had this scenario actually happen here in British Columbia in 2013, so there is precedent! The BC Liberals (a centre-right-Conservative coalition party) won the election, but the party's leader Christy Clark lost her seat! She lost her Vancouver-Point Grey seat by 785 votes to David Eby of the New Democrats. (Eby later became the Province's Attorney General and Premier himself under a later government.) At the time, I remember it took a few a little bit for us to all collectively figure out what happened next. About three weeks after the election her party whip stepped down in a safe seat, and a by-election was called. She won the interior British Columbian seat of West Kelowna about a month later in a by-election. So yes, constitutional crisis -- but there is at least some precedent!
I don’t agree with Rory’s comment that what the world chooses to pay attention to and media coverage is arbitrary. I don’t believe it is. It is not random, it is by design. In the “hierarchy of suffering” viewed through a predominantly White, Western lens, Black countries and populations are at the bottom of this hierarchy list. The sad fact is that western government and populations care less about conflicts when Black and Brown people are doing the dying. I agree that Zelenskyy is a great communicator, but that does not fully explain the extent of the polar opposite governmental and public response to Ukraine and that of other conflicts in Africa and the middle east. Contrast “Stop the boats” with the red carpet rolled out for Ukrainian refugees who were given an entire scheme to allow them to enter the UK as well as opportunities for British people to ‘adopt’ them. How many safe countries did Ukranian refugees have to pass through to get to the UK? Why is travel through safe countries to the UK acceptable for Ukranians but not Sudanese, Somalian, Iraqi (insert Black / Brown country here) refugees who have to stop at France. For 14 years Conservative government policy was driven by prejudice, division, racism and hate, as evidenced by the Home Office “hostile environment” and the Windrush scandal. This approach was reinforced by Murdoch’s right wing media. An argument could be made for media driving government policy. Regardless of the chicken and egg argument, the outcome is the same. Racism is perpetuated through western government policy that continues to drive a negative narrative about non-European countries and their populations, reinforced by the right wing press. The double standards, bias and racism is blatantly obvious. It has been a matter of historical record that continues to this day, Black life is cheap.
I'm curious, do the countries on the continent of Africa lead news coverage with stories fearuring predominantly 'white' countries or 'white' people? Or do they, perhaps, have their own lens, their own heirarchy? You've fallen into the classic trap - assuming there exists but one lens, or one hierarchy, is, in itself, a prejudice.
It is all rather easy to explain. Ukraine is not on a different continent, it is Eastern European, it's people aspire to be part of the Western European political tradition and it is a legitimate democracy. It is being invaded by someone who is an existential threat to Europe and the consequences of the invasion are being felt globally. Why is it so hard to understand that Europeans are invested in what is happening in Europe? Ukrainian refugees are NOT economic migrants and they at least have some cultural commonality with other Europeans. The EU is trying to spread the burden of looking after EUROPEAN refugees around OTHER EUROPEAN countries, they aren't moving through Europe to a different part of the World. If The West got involved in every conflict around the World there would be outcries and allegations of warmongering and imposing values, aside from the fact that we cannot afford to get involved in everything. Africa is responsible for policing it's own, but there is aid given by some Western powers. Israel is a special case because it is a legitimate liberal democracy occupied by a people who have been historically subject to genocide even in recent history and contains a great many people with European roots. Israel has tremendous religious significance for the West and is beset by a religion with genocidal intent which happens to be a security threat to Europe as well. I happen to be living in an African country at the moment and you haven't seen institutional racism like this before. Europe is not responsible for the entire World's self-image or for the faults of others. Interesting that you bring up Israel because it is a stark example of the double standards applied. Israel is subject to the most horrible vitriol and political condemnation for the sin of protecting themselves against a movement with incredible amounts of money and institutional support behind it which seeks to kill or banish all of it's Jewish citizens. There is little condemnation by supporters of the "Palestinians", a non-existent nation, of the multitude of atrocities committed by others in the ME. They dance in the streets at the slitting of babies throats and torture of civilians, but condemn Israel for doing the only thing they can to protect their citizens, which is to eradicate Hamas. If Hamas choose to use their citizens as shields that is tragic, but what is Israel supposed to do? The Western idiot brigade wouldn't be shedding any tears when Hamas carried out yet another mass murder if they were left extant. You want to see double standards, see how a genocide-supporting pro-Hamas rally is policed in the UK compared to a counter-protest.
Worth pointing out that most of the conflicts in Africa are internal civil wars often with an ethnic dimension where we in Europe don't have an obvious reason to support one side over the other. It is hard to sustain media interest in that situation. Ukraine on the other hand is a fellow democratic European country that has been invaded by an autocratic foreign power. It is obvious to us whose side we should be on there & why.
Ukrainians coming to the UK to seek refuge were already sponsored either by individual citizens or, in the case of Scotland, some also by the state. They had to have these sponsored visas to gain entry here.
is this the same Dianne Abbott who indulges in race/identity politics? The same Dianne Abbott who claimed that racism has some sort of victimhood hierarchy (as the reasoning behind her whip suspension)?
@@MorningtonCrescent Pfft. Surprised that the first ever black woman in parliament discusses race-related issues? Snore. Get a new hobby horse. There *is* a hierarchy of racisms in the British political mainstream. Her misjudged response was to an article in which it was revealed that fully 40% of Irish people in Britain have experienced violence for the great sin of...being Irish, and thus indistinguishable from the average English person until they open their mouths or give their full names. The only debate is who exactly is at the bottom. It's not me, by the way, and I'm fairly sure it's not Jewish people, either. It may, on the other hand, be people who look a bit like Diane Abbott, or it may be people who are sometimes compared to letterboxes by appalling Prime Ministers. The trouble Abbott got into was not at all commensurate with the offence. Yours, an Irishman.
I don’t understand Rory.s sniffy comments about Ed Davey. I think a lot of Britain like him a lot more now than before the campaign. Prior to this he was mainly known for somehow being unfavourably involved in the post office scandal. Now he’s the nation’s favourite fun uncle. Quite a re-brand! Within our national collective psyche there is an affection for those who don’t take themselves too seriously. Boris understood this and tapped into it to great effect. In a boring contest between two fairly uncharismatic men, Ed Davey was blissful light relief. I’d be happy to vote Lib Dem in the future (if that was the best tactical vote).
Nation's favourite? Well, I'm not the nation, but he's no favourite of mine - seeing the fat old duck dangling from a bungee rope reduced his campaign to absurdity.
13:00. The contrast in the media coverage and political response, between the recent Russian bombing of the children's hospital in Ukraine, and the constant attacks on civilian infrastructure in Gaza by the IDF, is stark. The fact that there is so little coverage of ANY of the current conflict in Africa...considering they are so often driven by special corporate interests, in the greedy quest for resources to exploit, is obscene.
Jess Phillips talked about stabbing Corbyn in the front. I seem to remember some controversy about the House of Commons magazine as well. What's her own position on genocide?
All sorts of people. You might for example hold national debt if part of your pension pot is made up of bonds. If you buy a bond from the government you are lending them your money.
Thank you folks. Personal bugbear of mine how conflicts are reported. We only seem to focus on the victims who have great PR, or or where the presumed perpetrators are disliked and it suits to point it out. Human suffering hardly ever comes into it unfortunately, but it's always claimed to be the driving force behind the supposed concern.
South Africa. Zuma and other parties on the left refused to work with Cyril Ramaphosa, so the ANC had not much choice than to go to the DA. But I agree it is a brave and interesting development for South Africa. I hope that it gets rid of the corruption and gets the money being spent on infrastructure and getting people out of poverty.
Sorry Alastair but "journalism shouldnt be about profit" doesnt work when you require profit to actually survive as human beings. Journalists are paid *criminally* little, it's a dreadful career path for most people, and one that is both insanely competitive, and also extremely top heavy. There are a finite number of roles that pay well enough in journalism, and most of them are taken up by people who have sat in them for 30 years. Speaking as someone who started their career in journalism - and in fact wrote stories on your behalf - a good start to making journalism more attractive to people and ethical would be to pay journalists more. But, of course, that isnt possible - because news agencies and papers cannot afford it.
Fully agree. At the risk of being controversial, this also applies to political backroom staff. The conflation about MP's 'expenses', portrayed as personal expenses 'hands in pockets', is so wide of the mark. Those 'expenses' paid my salary, plus constituency office rent, electric etc., so that we could... actually help constituents! For those who emotively react against this, facts are more important than feelings (can't believe I'm paraphrasing Shapiro).
What journalism and media seems to have forgotten is a lot of these stories are "slow burns", they may not initially grab public attention, but that attention will grow if there are enough stories so that the public gains an understanding of what's happening and can start to relate to the human experience. It's actually not that new, I remember that the Ethiopian famine was ignored for months (it was a single line, "there's famine in Ethiopia") until the heart stopping report by Buerk and Amin.
Again Rory said, that certain groups will want to be reassured, but again the use of language in conveying an us and them. I have never heard anyone from the Right saying, the Tories will have to reassure the Police, military, farmers etc. He is conveying we are the Establishment, Labour are the insurgents who have to convince the Establishment that they are not a threat. Language is so important.
I live in Wales and something is very confusing to me, I've googled it but cannot find and answer. we just selected a number of welsh mp's to westminister. we will also be voting on our welsh ms's soonish for the senedd. what is the relationship between the mp's in westminister to ms's in the senedd? do the mp's also serve as ms's in the senedd or have they got nothing to do with the senedd and in that case what do they actually do for the welsh constituencies if we also have ms's that serve the same constituency and on top of that another 5 ms's servicing the region.
The MPs only serve as MSs if they stand for election to both bodies separately. This is generally discouraged and I don't know if there are any people who are members of both. The Senedd and the Parliament have different responsibilities.
I csnt believe u do not know after all the yrs of the senedd. In Scotland leader of the snp can onky be selected from the pple sitting in holyrood. Which is the shame cos we had better snp mps in westminster. We did have one person who sat in both houses holyrood and Westminster and that was Scottish tory leader Douglas Ross. But generally those in the senedd will not sit in westminster .
If the tories continue this spiral in to chaos, is there any way for other parties to move forwards in the commons to be the voice of the opposition? Seems s strong check and balance would be missing without this.
Newspapers & broadcast media need to rehabilitate their own reputations for truthfulness. It seems cynicism about the reliability and believability of news is at an all time high.
It would be nice to see an in depth analysis of the national debt how it changed over time how its composed ie the portfolio of gilts short, mid and long term. What did the Tories do when interest rates were next to zero - did they issue lots of long term debt at historically low rates and redeem the higher coupon ones?
The point on being a good communicator is so important. But, it also implied that the sides fighting in Sudan are not good communicators. Well, they might not be good communicators in English. But whether they are good communicators in Arabic might be a more important question. If the west doesn't care about Sudan, why worry? Would be interesting to see how Arabic media covers that story.
So right about Angela Rayner - your interview with her on Leading changed my, and my wife's view of her dramatically - we both voted labour in response!
I just wish she wasn't so happy to say "Well actually JK Rowling says she supports the rights of trans people so I reckon we should just take her at her word rather than listening to any of those daft trans people" Perfectly happy and willing to stab the most vulnerable in society, as she once was, in the back to get ahead.
So basically what they did was cheat voters out of the opportunity to vote for someone who would maybe support their consistency, I think this should be illegal.
Plus, they don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
@@ELB-v7ba very quick- and incomplete- trawl of their podcasts and the “Leading” podcasts shows me 14 different discussions about Palestine, Gaza and Israel. They are risibly easy to find. Please do the work before you post misinformation.
I don't refer to them as the Elgin Marbles. I refer to them as the Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of His Britannic Majesty to the Sublime Porte of Selim III Sultan of Turkey Marbles.
Go on Jess - let's not shy away from the truth, those men who hurled abuse at her that night do not belong in the civilised world, and they are clearly part of a very small minority of men of their faith, who wish to live in the Dark Ages in what is unashamedly, and unflinchingly, a civilised nation. To them, as she said, to see a woman standing before them with confidence and not scared of them must have been quite frightening...I highly doubt the women in their lives are unafraid of them, after all.
Because they talk about it a lot and it is by far the most prominent current conflict in the media. The focus today was on conflicts that aren’t covered so much by either TRIP or the media in general.
@@elizabethgrant6348 They don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
AC and RS don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
Its better than the ones spending to much time down the mosques, getting all riled up about Hadiths smiting the Non-believers...isnt it funny or rather selfish that those who cant enjoy the pub due to religious indoctrination convictions wants to make it so the rest cant either, its jealousy and envy is all...
The biggest problem with SOE is that it's SO easy to manipulate. Set up an account, click on a story - and bingo, you've started to drive traffic there. And then that's what a newspaper/magazine/site is going to fund and follow up. If that doesn't stop, we'll always have this - no news on what matters globally, no sense of big picture etc
Though Joe maybe having a laugh . It's important that it is seeing how people are going to vote with such a massive change in the political landscape. All questions are valid in my opinion. Especially how did Liz truss become PM ?
On your point about conflicts not being reported on. If there is increasing instability in the world that usually means we can expect higher levels of migration as people are forced to flee their homes - which can inevitably mean we the UK (along with other countries) experience higher levels of immigration. This raises questions about why our politicians and our media are not talking about these conflicts when 'Immigration' would appear to be a key gripe for the electorate herein the UK, Europe, US etc... Growing up in the 70s and 80s there was lots of conflict and it was always reported on news (Uganda, Israel, Syria, Cyprus, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc...). Chasing ratings just demonstrates a lack of both vision and leadership and we all know how that ends (badly).
On the subject of what gets into the news and what doesn't, what the BBC still appear to be pushing as their top story - with live updates! - is last night's England game. Not on the sports page, on the landing page of the BBC News site . Israel/Gaza and the war in Ukraine do at least still have their own designated tabs when you go there via a browser, but what is being considered 'news worth reporting' seems to have slowed considerably.
Plus, they don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
4:16 "nothing to do with those constituencies" - yes, the Reform candidate in my constituency of North Glasgow had an address in Leicestershire! Nonetheless, they beat the Tories to fourth place (behind Labour, SNP, Greens) with 4.8% of the vote to the Tories' 3.9%
I am in the same constituency and, because of the Leicestershire address, tried to Google the Reform candidate. There was nothing on her so she was obviously a paper candidate. The 1,600 votes she received will be counted for the short money allocated to opposition parties towards their costs. I think all the Reform candidates ‘standing’ in Glasgow were paper candidates.
Great section on unreported conflicts but on area you missed out on was the low intensity conflict thats been going in the Indian states of Nagaland & Manipur for years. As for Myanmar/Burma there's been conflict there since 1953 specially in the Shan State. The islamic insurgency in the southern Philippines is not at all reported now days, as are the tribal conflicts in the PNG highlands. At the moment there are 7 unreported conflicts or clashes in South & South East Asia alone.
34:10 It's funny, as an American in London for my junior year abroad in 2000-01, one of the things I liked most about the British political system was PMQs and the rowdiness. This is serious business, people should be shouting!
they really get to it in some foreign parliaments, proper brawling! 🙂 x greetings from south wales.. i think Blair reduced the amount of time given to prime ministers questions, from an hour to two half hours, down to one half hour a week.. disappointing..
£144,000 seems awfully low for vetting, that works out to £221 per candidate (assuming that they only vetted 1 candidate per seat). It seems like they skimped out on the process and learned the consequences.
Rory, I think that there's a small army of middle-aged men like us who have secret crush on Angela Rayner. She's such an amazing person. So refreshing.
What number of readers is needed to keep a newsletter on Sudan alive? How many english-reading "middleclass" are there in the world who could be interested in reading it?
When Rory says that American presidents need to be good communicators in order to wage piece, does this mean you don’t accept the idea that America wants to wage perpetual war because it’s so great for the economy?
I think the thing that is so stunning about Rayner is that she started from pretty much the absolute bottom. Not really getting love at home, behind in school then out of school, starting work at the lowest levels of our societies work force, yet she was able to rise through her own force of character and ability to get people on side up to one of the four or five most powerful people in the country today. There is something so deeply authentic about her
That'll be what the haters hate most, I reckon. Authentic? How dare she! That's not how politics works!
@@annphillips1086 I assume it will cause a gaff or two as well which will be immediately lept on
Her life demonstrates the effectiveness of British Culture's tolerant inclusion of the poor and all others. You might personally disagree but the evidence has always been there through history. Othello exemplifies many international black merchants in London's port, prompting QE the First to complain to the Lord Chamberlain (Shakespeare's sponsor)! Our love of Global Trade obliged us to welcome merchant immigrants here, Spanish Armada shipwrecked sailors, Vikings, Romans, global Allies in WW2. We've always welcomed immigrants who have married us. UK Citizens ALL descend from immigrants because our Green & Pleasant Island attracts them & requires them. Equality Laws, inclusion, love of others, Global Trade dependence.
@@MarkAHowellYou are right about the immigrant tradition. But the native poor have always found it really hard to rise because as soon as they open their mouth their class is revealed. Angela is sadly a rare exception in rising from the bottom tenth.
@@MarkAHowell . The fact that Reform seeks to destroy that historical evidence, is one of the main reasons to resist their influence. I would just say that the example of Angela Rayner's success, and the fact that every article highlights the point, only goes to prove how very, very rare it is. If it was a widespread occurrence, nobody would mention it.
Possibly 20 or 30 years ago the chances for social mobility for those on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder were slowly improving...14 years of Tory rule have reversed that trend, so it has become even harder. It looks as if the exceptions can be found in some sharp, cunning individuals who realised that if they were even more greedy and ruthless than those in power, they could be willing participants in the looting of the economy by entering the banking sector as stock traders.
Now that we have voter ID, we should also have Candidate ID, can't believe that this is not a thing already.
I have signed a nomination form for the same MP candidate for years to verify that they are who they claim.
It honestly matters a lot more than voter ID
The point is, who signed the papers for the fake candidates. They may have committed an offence against the Representation of the People Act or other laws
Why? This would be a solution in want of a problem. The idea that "we've done one bad and pointless thing so let's do another" is absurd.
I couldn’t agree more that Mr Sunak brought a tremendous sense of dignity to the proceedings with his departure speech from Downing Street. It was very old fashioned and respectful to everyone concerned. As a lad I remember being warmly encouraged to show a sense of what we then thought of as sportsmanship in which we honour our opponents and thereby the “game” with an honest assessment of their aims and achievements. I hope this will be emulated by others.
Bull shit. It was a last photo opportunity to try to claw back some kind of dignity. He was a terrible pm and his Rwanda scheme is or was a disgrace. Good riddance to him and his fake resignation speech
It's a shame he didn't show that dignity when he was PM.
His performances every week in PMQs was atrocious! He just tried to copy the deplorable antics of Boris Johnson : NEVER answer a question . Shout and point and gesticulate. Make vile and untrue accusations about the Opposition party and its leader. Absolutely no dignity or integrity there. One speech - which he actually didn’t have any option about making - does not change the man’s overweening vanity and petulance, nor the lies he continually pushed.
@@1violalasshe has a class that your snide remark shows you lack.
@@colinmorgan8624 it’s not a snide remark. He’s exactly right.
You’re just a naïve sycophant who thinks his resignation speech came from a genuine place. It didn’t.
So is this right... to nominate a candidate you have to be verified; to vote you need identification; to count the votes you have to be vetted... but you can become an MP with absolutely no verification/identification whatsoever? Democracy in inaction!
All you need to do to nominate a candidate is be a registered voter on the electoral register in the relevant area so the verification is just to confirm that you are a registered voter.
And the vote counters are usually local council employees so the vetting is only the interview process for that job and a quick check that you are impartial (I.e not involved in any of the campaigns).
The vote ID rules were brought in by Johnson in the hopes that it would sway the votes in the Tories favour because their supporters were more likely to have ID, but otherwise unnecessary.
Most candidates are vetted, at least the main party ones are by internal processes to be allowed to stand. But you can bet that the successful candidates will be put through some sort of covert checks by the security services - especially the independent or extremist sounding ones
Apparently the requirement for MPs to have ID was something that Johnson changed.
and if working as a contractor in parliament you need security checks, but MPs less so.
and why no leadership elections in a new party its disgusting
It's a private companywhich is a disgrace to UK politics @@vincentvangogh8092
Jess Phillips is a fellow Brummie like myself. I watched her acceptance speech and as a man i felt genuinely horrified by the response she got. I'd be emotional if I'd taken a crapload of abuse for 6-7 weeks straight. This is not acceptable and i hope those people are smashed from the electoral system for good.
I was working when I listened to this, then glanced up and got a glimps of Rory's room and got a fright. Took a second to remember its a hotel.
Your Angela Rayner interview was the moment I realised that Labour were going to win to be honest. I cheered her on her walk to Number 10. Cometh the hour, cometh the lady !
She would be more suited working down the docks doing favours for sailors.
Before I saw that interview I didn't know much about her and as a consequence, didn't really have an opinion about her, positive or negative. But after watching that interview my opinion definitely became positive.
So glad you mentioned Ukraine in your item about journalists. As a supporter of Ukraine I gave up listening to BBC because there is hardly any coverage , although I did catch something on the World Service last night.
For years I thought " What's happening about .....( insert conflict eg Ouigars )
I suppose the public just just get bored.
In Ukraine's case it is on our back door step, it's not a 'faraway country of which we know little. '
I love your podcasts it's so nice to hear intelligent polite conversation.
Most people can listen to a news story about Sudan or Ukraine and feel powerless to change it, and know that intervention can be damaging, so just move on.
@@davegold You are saying that people are too ignorant to understand the consequences of allowing a dictator, who is quite frankly savage, to crush a legitimate democracy in Europe? If they are then it is the fault of the BBC and their like. They did not bother to uncover the truth of what was happening in 2014, relying instead on their usual patchy reporting of who is winning what combined with a "who knows what the truth is , the Russians say X and the Ukrainians say Y" cop out. They did nothing except hype up the Azov brigade after that with the result that Russian justificatory propaganda and the Oliver Stones of the World led people to accept Russian narratives. It really does sicken me when after events like the Russian flooding of the Dnipro the BBC does their precious both sides "guess we'll never really know who did it shuffle". Is it so hard to say "unless there's evidence otherwise, the invaders with a track record of terror tactics did it".
Agreed Helen. Thanks for keeping your support for Ukraine. It’s awful how it’s largely disappeared from the BBC
@@ijw2009The Ukraine war is covered extensively on the BBC World Service and it has the Ukrainecast podcast too on BBC Sounds.
You mean the failed NATO proxy war?
First time listener here. It's so refreshing to hear UK politics discussed across the divide in a not just respectful but constructive manner.
Oh welcome to their fan club! 😄Do check out their back episodes, I’ve learned so much watching/listening to these two. They also conduct some fascinating interviews with people who relax and open up and reveal far more about themselves than any gotcha journalist would elicit.
@@Lynnefromlyn yes indeed.
foreigners not welcome here
What divide is that exactly? 😂
Welcome! Thank you!
Why is Rory in my grandma's bedroom?
Going for the most disturbing question of 2024 award?
@@redemptivepete😂😂😂
I stayed in many Paris hotel rooms for work. They either do elegant understated style or Ice cream cake. There's no inbetween..
Your gran could have tidied up a bit lol
Was gonna say it's probs his wifeu with all the pink. But someone said this is just Paris's style and I was like, makes sense.
Thank you for talking about and explaining the Sudan situation. Really not enough coverage on this situation at all. Lots of family have been displaced and completely lost their childhood homes/toys.
Love you guys and thought the reply to Joe was funny. But I think you missed a real opportunity to focus on the second half of his question, of how do you inform yourself and your vote if you feel you don’t align with any of the candidates but still try to make the most of it socially or otherwise.
I agree. Exploring whether a Truss devotee should consider the most vulnerable in society would have been interesting!
i've never voted for our mp and she does nothing for us?
i don't know about that, but she might as well be invisible for us..
(i'm sure she's a nice person) 🙂
I'm a voter in Leeds north west who grew up there, and I'm quite grateful that ballot papers give the address (at least constituency) of the candidate. You can't pretend to represent a constituency if you don't know them, so you need to live if not _in_ the constituency, at least pretty close. The reform candidate (although her name was entertaining: Jayne Bond) apparently lives in the Sleaford and North Hykeham constituency. A place I had never even heard of, which after research is a 90 mile (near 2 hour) drive from Leeds NW. It's ridiculous. Beyond that, you can't find out anything about her, no photo, no information of any kind on the reform website. It really wouldn't surprise me if she really was a fake person.
ReformUK are simply a total scam.
There's a youtube channel called TLDR news global, part of TLDR news. They are in total about 10 guys in their 20s in one studio, and they do more world news coverage than BBC with its huge resources.
Did the Tory Govt install a political Chair on the organisation?
That's probably why.
Sadly I know our Reform Candidate, Ian Gribbin (? spelling), definitely exists, he turned up to one of our hustings. He is the man who made the awful comment about Hitler, which was a bit of an own goal given that the church used for the meeting has an RAF WW2 memorial stained glass window, and the airman is buried in the churchyard, as he crashed and died after being shot down nearby. Gribbin was a very odd person, couldn't answer the questions coherently, and seemed to have trouble keeping his trousers up when he stood up to talk. 😮
He sounds absolutely horrible!
Surprised he didn’t get elected!
Ideal Reform / Tory type.
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Rhun ap Iorwerth really impressed me during the very minor time he had on TV for PC, I'd love him on leading to learn more, likewise for Carla Denyer and the greens.
He also has by far the best name of the lot. I love names where you don't know if someone is introducing himself or swearing at you in foreign.
A Reform spokesman, John de Cardboarde-Cutout issued a statement in the form of a speech balloon.💬
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I never knew Arnold Rimmer's ex-girlfriend had gone into politics!
I thought Alastair made a great point that passed by too quickly. He mentioned that the media is too profit driven. I couldn’t agree more. The “news” has to be about more than financial profit. It needs to be about informing people about what is actually happening at home and in the world, without underlying biases….
You can't really have an impartial government funded media, so you have a private media which needs to keep itself solvent. One could of course argue that the market would winnow out the unreliable media but unfortunately people choose media because it is biased one way or another. Fortunately, if you care, it IS possible to judge source reliability and come by a considered view by going through the many sources available on alternative media. For instance, the average Joe learns nothing about Ukraine by following the mainstream, but fortunately there are a number of independent social media producers who spend their lives going through the available footage and reports and they can be judged on their track record.
We did the technical production at the debate for you at the museum ;-). Always a pleasure hosting you.
Rory was my mp. He consistently had 60% of the vote. I can't imagine it was ever stressy for him.
It was as a minister
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“The Tory Party is massively left wing”. And I’m going out on a date with Claudia Schiffer tonight.
@@iangascoigne8231
Have a nice time!
The maddest thing I have heard since Lizz Truss was a lettuce!!!
@@Woofersgalore who asked you?
Watching from Africa it strikes me that what Jess Philips went through is an indication of what opposition candidates and the supporters go through as a general rule in elections in Africa.
I am a convert to Al Jazeera - as you say covers many stories from around the world (and daily detail of Gazza) and you think why isn't this being covered on the other channels ... ... Recommend people take a look at it !
Novara Media is also great for real investigative coverage of Gaza
This is about sorting UK out not fukin G@za..
@lslad
I stopped watching BBC news years ago. It's so biased to the right, but everyone still claims it's full of lefties.
@@ELB-v7b Novara media is responsible for the most disgusting inversions of reality under the usual guise of "countering the narrative".
Al jazeera shows dead bodies but not swearing.
US News shows dead bodied, acts of violence but not swearing. (Until Trump anyway)
UK News shows swearing but not dead bodies and censors acts of violence usually.
No particular point just an observation how different things are seen as acceptable to show.
People who believe Tories are left-wing require professional mental health care.
People who don't believe that both Tory and Labour have left wing aspects aren't paying attention.
The 2024 Tory party is WAY more left wing than the Tory party under Thatcher, both on economics and social issues.
Ironically there isn't any available because the Tories crippled those NHS services
I thought it was a very odd comment from Andrew Neil, the Tories have been deliberately driving out the more moderate members since Brexit, how much further right does he believe 'true' conservatism is?
If you're getting a new labour MP on Leading I recommend Samantha Niblett, South Derbyshire. I met her during the campaign and she came across as very honest rather than repeating lines from the manifesto.
Jeez, Rory's room looks like the inside of Barbie's handbag 😄
And whiffs like a vego's fart in there too..
He’s on Holiday in Paris with his wife.
He didn't choose his hotel room based on the palette of its decor
I wanted to know if they also thought that Suella Braverman is having a "very public nervous breakdown."
Where's that quote from?
Always the more frightening possibility that she sincerely believes what she says...
The quote is from 'Bad Enoch' (the other numpty...)
How would anyone know?
Thanks Rory for mentioning the conflict in Myanmar. One of the big changes in Myanmar is the level of unity against the Junta. Prior to the 2021 coup any conflict was often seen as an 'ethnic minority issue'. Now with the NUG acting as a transitional government in exile and much more recognition and cooperation of ethnic areas, there are now well respected plans of what a post-conflict nation would look like. The main issue is actually reaching the conculation of that conflict, the Junta has almost no support from the people but still has tanks and jets whereas EAOs and citizen forces mainly have old rifles and what they can put together from abandoned supplies, 3D prints and commercial items.
On journalism feel the need to give praise to the BBC and Channel 4 who recently did have journalists go into Myanmar to do some in depth reporting on the conflict.
Just incase you hadn,t noticed, Plaid had a good result as well.
Regarding whether Keir Starmer could serve as Prime Minister if he had lost his constituency seat, this happened in Canada to William Lyon Mackenzie King in 1945. It was determined that the constitutional convention required that a person be appointed Prime Minister who could command a majority in parliament, and since King was that person, then he was able to continue as Prime Minister, though he had to sit in the gallery until he won a by election later that month.
I came accross Aljazeera whilst working in Qatar. I found & find it a very good channel.
Novara Media is also great for real investigative coverage of Gaza
I suppose there inevitably will be some people who find it a "very good channel".
My Greek son in law corrected me Rory, they are the Parthenon Marbles, not the Elgin Marbles!
In the 60s or 70s (I'm old, the decades have melded in my memory) the UK attitude was that Greece was too backward to care for them properly. I always thought that was a stupid colonial attitude.
@@HJJSL-bl8kk And very convenient! :)
I don't refer to them as the Elgin Marbles. I refer to them as the Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of His Britannic Majesty to the Sublime Porte of Selim III Sultan of Turkey Marbles.
@@johnmckiernan2176 Hat tip for giving me a good laugh before 8am.
Maybe a daft question, but is the news cycle driving the news cycle? By which I mean they look at clicks and give more focus to the stories that garner interest rather than the news editor deciding what should be important and making the news driving engagement rather than engagement driving the news.
New candidates interviews would be great.
they wont be allowed on media. They haven't taken out their brains and replaced them with programmed mush yet.
re. National debt. If we're so much in debt, who are we in debt to? Banks? Other countries?
Anyone who buys government bonds “gilts” (which pay interest and promise to pay back in a fixed time) - which is those people and a few more besides. If a country is stable politically and appears to be be run by people who know what they’re doing, investors will buy a country’s bonds even if the “yield”(interest rate payable) is very low because they are a backstop, very low risk investment (companies go bust, countries very rarely do). So a well run country pays lower interest on its debt (some countries - eg Switzerland - have been known to have NEGATIVE bond yields, ie investors have to pay to buy them - because demand for their bonds is very high, because of their perceived stability/low risk.
If however investors don’t understand the government’s strategies or worse, think the government are fantasists, corrupt or incompetent, they will only buy the bonds if the interest rate is higher - because they are taking a bigger risk. What do you think happens when you have a policy that deliberately disrupts your trade, followed by a rapid succession of PMs including one whose economic policy included unfunded tax cuts? Correct, you have to pay more interest to persuade people to buy your bonds because your policies look incoherent and chaotic, so the cost of your debt goes up.
from individual people?
@@davidpaterson2309 Thanks. That's a good answer.
Joe Lycett a “very funny man” 😂😂😂😂😂 Now that’s abject humour in that statement alone!
A very right wing man, surely?
fed up of so called comics getting everywhere
So glad to hear these guys talking newsworthy news stories.
I stopped watching uk news years ago
Excellent episode gentlemen . Loving the Stan Laurel grimaces Rory...such an expressive face.
What do they do if they think the tory party is too left wing and/or they aupport truss. SEE A DAMN PSYCHIATRIST!
For the 25:35 minute mark, regarding what happens when a party wins a majority of seats but their leader loses their seat -- we had this scenario actually happen here in British Columbia in 2013, so there is precedent! The BC Liberals (a centre-right-Conservative coalition party) won the election, but the party's leader Christy Clark lost her seat! She lost her Vancouver-Point Grey seat by 785 votes to David Eby of the New Democrats. (Eby later became the Province's Attorney General and Premier himself under a later government.) At the time, I remember it took a few a little bit for us to all collectively figure out what happened next. About three weeks after the election her party whip stepped down in a safe seat, and a by-election was called. She won the interior British Columbian seat of West Kelowna about a month later in a by-election.
So yes, constitutional crisis -- but there is at least some precedent!
I don’t agree with Rory’s comment that what the world chooses to pay attention to and media coverage is arbitrary. I don’t believe it is. It is not random, it is by design.
In the “hierarchy of suffering” viewed through a predominantly White, Western lens, Black countries and populations are at the bottom of this hierarchy list.
The sad fact is that western government and populations care less about conflicts when Black and Brown people are doing the dying.
I agree that Zelenskyy is a great communicator, but that does not fully explain the extent of the polar opposite governmental and public response to Ukraine and that of other conflicts in Africa and the middle east. Contrast “Stop the boats” with the red carpet rolled out for Ukrainian refugees who were given an entire scheme to allow them to enter the UK as well as opportunities for British people to ‘adopt’ them.
How many safe countries did Ukranian refugees have to pass through to get to the UK? Why is travel through safe countries to the UK acceptable for Ukranians but not Sudanese, Somalian, Iraqi (insert Black / Brown country here) refugees who have to stop at France.
For 14 years Conservative government policy was driven by prejudice, division, racism and hate, as evidenced by the Home Office “hostile environment” and the Windrush scandal. This approach was reinforced by Murdoch’s right wing media. An argument could be made for media driving government policy. Regardless of the chicken and egg argument, the outcome is the same. Racism is perpetuated through western government policy that continues to drive a negative narrative about non-European countries and their populations, reinforced by the right wing press. The double standards, bias and racism is blatantly obvious.
It has been a matter of historical record that continues to this day, Black life is cheap.
I'm curious, do the countries on the continent of Africa lead news coverage with stories fearuring predominantly 'white' countries or 'white' people? Or do they, perhaps, have their own lens, their own heirarchy?
You've fallen into the classic trap - assuming there exists but one lens, or one hierarchy, is, in itself, a prejudice.
It is all rather easy to explain. Ukraine is not on a different continent, it is Eastern European, it's people aspire to be part of the Western European political tradition and it is a legitimate democracy. It is being invaded by someone who is an existential threat to Europe and the consequences of the invasion are being felt globally. Why is it so hard to understand that Europeans are invested in what is happening in Europe? Ukrainian refugees are NOT economic migrants and they at least have some cultural commonality with other Europeans. The EU is trying to spread the burden of looking after EUROPEAN refugees around OTHER EUROPEAN countries, they aren't moving through Europe to a different part of the World. If The West got involved in every conflict around the World there would be outcries and allegations of warmongering and imposing values, aside from the fact that we cannot afford to get involved in everything. Africa is responsible for policing it's own, but there is aid given by some Western powers. Israel is a special case because it is a legitimate liberal democracy occupied by a people who have been historically subject to genocide even in recent history and contains a great many people with European roots. Israel has tremendous religious significance for the West and is beset by a religion with genocidal intent which happens to be a security threat to Europe as well. I happen to be living in an African country at the moment and you haven't seen institutional racism like this before. Europe is not responsible for the entire World's self-image or for the faults of others. Interesting that you bring up Israel because it is a stark example of the double standards applied. Israel is subject to the most horrible vitriol and political condemnation for the sin of protecting themselves against a movement with incredible amounts of money and institutional support behind it which seeks to kill or banish all of it's Jewish citizens. There is little condemnation by supporters of the "Palestinians", a non-existent nation, of the multitude of atrocities committed by others in the ME. They dance in the streets at the slitting of babies throats and torture of civilians, but condemn Israel for doing the only thing they can to protect their citizens, which is to eradicate Hamas. If Hamas choose to use their citizens as shields that is tragic, but what is Israel supposed to do? The Western idiot brigade wouldn't be shedding any tears when Hamas carried out yet another mass murder if they were left extant. You want to see double standards, see how a genocide-supporting pro-Hamas rally is policed in the UK compared to a counter-protest.
Which fire do you care about the one next door or the one 5 streets away?
Worth pointing out that most of the conflicts in Africa are internal civil wars often with an ethnic dimension where we in Europe don't have an obvious reason to support one side over the other. It is hard to sustain media interest in that situation. Ukraine on the other hand is a fellow democratic European country that has been invaded by an autocratic foreign power. It is obvious to us whose side we should be on there & why.
Ukrainians coming to the UK to seek refuge were already sponsored either by individual citizens or, in the case of Scotland, some also by the state. They had to have these sponsored visas to gain entry here.
I thought Dianne Abbot was very gracious, as well!
is this the same Dianne Abbott who indulges in race/identity politics? The same Dianne Abbott who claimed that racism has some sort of victimhood hierarchy (as the reasoning behind her whip suspension)?
@@MorningtonCrescent Pfft. Surprised that the first ever black woman in parliament discusses race-related issues? Snore. Get a new hobby horse. There *is* a hierarchy of racisms in the British political mainstream. Her misjudged response was to an article in which it was revealed that fully 40% of Irish people in Britain have experienced violence for the great sin of...being Irish, and thus indistinguishable from the average English person until they open their mouths or give their full names. The only debate is who exactly is at the bottom. It's not me, by the way, and I'm fairly sure it's not Jewish people, either. It may, on the other hand, be people who look a bit like Diane Abbott, or it may be people who are sometimes compared to letterboxes by appalling Prime Ministers. The trouble Abbott got into was not at all commensurate with the offence. Yours, an Irishman.
Is Rory on the set of the next Barbie movie? That decor is just “sublime!” 🐴
I don’t understand Rory.s sniffy comments about Ed Davey. I think a lot of Britain like him a lot more now than before the campaign. Prior to this he was mainly known for somehow being unfavourably involved in the post office scandal. Now he’s the nation’s favourite fun uncle. Quite a re-brand!
Within our national collective psyche there is an affection for those who don’t take themselves too seriously. Boris understood this and tapped into it to great effect. In a boring contest between two fairly uncharismatic men, Ed Davey was blissful light relief. I’d be happy to vote Lib Dem in the future (if that was the best tactical vote).
Nation's favourite? Well, I'm not the nation, but he's no favourite of mine - seeing the fat old duck dangling from a bungee rope reduced his campaign to absurdity.
In the spirit of Four seasons landscaping was Reforms vetting service actually a veterinarian.
13:00. The contrast in the media coverage and political response, between the recent Russian bombing of the children's hospital in Ukraine, and the constant attacks on civilian infrastructure in Gaza by the IDF, is stark. The fact that there is so little coverage of ANY of the current conflict in Africa...considering they are so often driven by special corporate interests, in the greedy quest for resources to exploit, is obscene.
Jess Phillips talked about stabbing Corbyn in the front. I seem to remember some controversy about the House of Commons magazine as well. What's her own position on genocide?
would that be the same Jess Phillips who constantly spews anti-male rhetoric?! "just asking..." 😉
If nearly every country has a national debt who is lending them all of this money ????
All sorts of people. You might for example hold national debt if part of your pension pot is made up of bonds. If you buy a bond from the government you are lending them your money.
Thank you folks.
Personal bugbear of mine how conflicts are reported. We only seem to focus on the victims who have great PR, or or where the presumed perpetrators are disliked and it suits to point it out.
Human suffering hardly ever comes into it unfortunately, but it's always claimed to be the driving force behind the supposed concern.
South Africa. Zuma and other parties on the left refused to work with Cyril Ramaphosa, so the ANC had not much choice than to go to the DA. But I agree it is a brave and interesting development for South Africa. I hope that it gets rid of the corruption and gets the money being spent on infrastructure and getting people out of poverty.
Question for you…In your opinion, are there any lessons from the UK General Election that can be applied to the upcoming US General Election?
the boys mentioned CNN - but who would have thought that these two guys deal with the news better than any other news network at the moment - by far -
Sorry Alastair but "journalism shouldnt be about profit" doesnt work when you require profit to actually survive as human beings. Journalists are paid *criminally* little, it's a dreadful career path for most people, and one that is both insanely competitive, and also extremely top heavy. There are a finite number of roles that pay well enough in journalism, and most of them are taken up by people who have sat in them for 30 years. Speaking as someone who started their career in journalism - and in fact wrote stories on your behalf - a good start to making journalism more attractive to people and ethical would be to pay journalists more. But, of course, that isnt possible - because news agencies and papers cannot afford it.
Fully agree. At the risk of being controversial, this also applies to political backroom staff. The conflation about MP's 'expenses', portrayed as personal expenses 'hands in pockets', is so wide of the mark. Those 'expenses' paid my salary, plus constituency office rent, electric etc., so that we could... actually help constituents! For those who emotively react against this, facts are more important than feelings (can't believe I'm paraphrasing Shapiro).
What journalism and media seems to have forgotten is a lot of these stories are "slow burns", they may not initially grab public attention, but that attention will grow if there are enough stories so that the public gains an understanding of what's happening and can start to relate to the human experience.
It's actually not that new, I remember that the Ethiopian famine was ignored for months (it was a single line, "there's famine in Ethiopia") until the heart stopping report by Buerk and Amin.
Aung San Suu Kyi is still in prison and we're not talking about it...
She should be in a prison in den Hague for complicity in genocide.
She was pretty brutal herself once she was in power
That's because she was entirely ambivalent about the Rohingya genocide. Saints are few and far between.
Why can we not ask the question why a political party can have an owner ?
Because it's not a party it's a PLC. Public limited company.
Again Rory said, that certain groups will want to be reassured, but again the use of language in conveying an us and them. I have never heard anyone from the Right saying, the Tories will have to reassure the Police, military, farmers etc. He is conveying we are the Establishment, Labour are the insurgents who have to convince the Establishment that they are not a threat. Language is so important.
I live in Wales and something is very confusing to me, I've googled it but cannot find and answer. we just selected a number of welsh mp's to westminister. we will also be voting on our welsh ms's soonish for the senedd. what is the relationship between the mp's in westminister to ms's in the senedd? do the mp's also serve as ms's in the senedd or have they got nothing to do with the senedd and in that case what do they actually do for the welsh constituencies if we also have ms's that serve the same constituency and on top of that another 5 ms's servicing the region.
The MPs only serve as MSs if they stand for election to both bodies separately. This is generally discouraged and I don't know if there are any people who are members of both. The Senedd and the Parliament have different responsibilities.
I csnt believe u do not know after all the yrs of the senedd. In Scotland leader of the snp can onky be selected from the pple sitting in holyrood. Which is the shame cos we had better snp mps in westminster. We did have one person who sat in both houses holyrood and Westminster and that was Scottish tory leader Douglas Ross. But generally those in the senedd will not sit in westminster .
If the tories continue this spiral in to chaos, is there any way for other parties to move forwards in the commons to be the voice of the opposition?
Seems s strong check and balance would be missing without this.
Newspapers & broadcast media need to rehabilitate their own reputations for truthfulness. It seems cynicism about the reliability and believability of news is at an all time high.
It would be nice to see an in depth analysis of the national debt how it changed over time how its composed ie the portfolio of gilts short, mid and long term. What did the Tories do when interest rates were next to zero - did they issue lots of long term debt at historically low rates and redeem the higher coupon ones?
The point on being a good communicator is so important. But, it also implied that the sides fighting in Sudan are not good communicators. Well, they might not be good communicators in English. But whether they are good communicators in Arabic might be a more important question. If the west doesn't care about Sudan, why worry? Would be interesting to see how Arabic media covers that story.
You should interview Claire Hazelgrove new MP for Bristol. She’s a friend of mine and her story is great
So right about Angela Rayner - your interview with her on Leading changed my, and my wife's view of her dramatically - we both voted labour in response!
I just wish she wasn't so happy to say "Well actually JK Rowling says she supports the rights of trans people so I reckon we should just take her at her word rather than listening to any of those daft trans people"
Perfectly happy and willing to stab the most vulnerable in society, as she once was, in the back to get ahead.
The National did a video on the paper candidates in Glasgow.
So basically what they did was cheat voters out of the opportunity to vote for someone who would maybe support their consistency, I think this should be illegal.
One of whom, it was alleged, actually lives in Gibraltar.
I love this podcast. But it is difficult to hear Alastair talk about foreign conflicts given his past. Its a bit cringe.
Plus, they don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
@@ELB-v7ba very quick- and incomplete- trawl of their podcasts and the “Leading” podcasts shows me 14 different discussions about Palestine, Gaza and Israel. They are risibly easy to find. Please do the work before you post misinformation.
You should deffinatley get Ian Hislop on the Pod
I don't refer to them as the Elgin Marbles. I refer to them as the Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of His Britannic Majesty to the Sublime Porte of Selim III Sultan of Turkey Marbles.
Rory sending a very left of center signal through French pink upholstery choices. Very subtle.
He’s in a hotel in Paris…
@@theregolfer9721Tis a joke squire
@@theregolfer9721Real man of the people
@@SandraDeefando you have to live on a sink estate in a slum building to be a socialist now? What a stupid comment.
@@SandraDeefan Taking your other half to Paris is almost mandatory i believe. Romance, eh?
Go on Jess - let's not shy away from the truth, those men who hurled abuse at her that night do not belong in the civilised world, and they are clearly part of a very small minority of men of their faith, who wish to live in the Dark Ages in what is unashamedly, and unflinchingly, a civilised nation. To them, as she said, to see a woman standing before them with confidence and not scared of them must have been quite frightening...I highly doubt the women in their lives are unafraid of them, after all.
Is there any reason why you didn’t discuss Palestine as a war zone and how it is being reported in the press?
Because they talk about it a lot and it is by far the most prominent current conflict in the media. The focus today was on conflicts that aren’t covered so much by either TRIP or the media in general.
@@elizabethgrant6348 They don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
AC and RS don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
He's not fake.
He's just what happens when a guy "from down the pub" spends to much time drinking down the pub.
Its better than the ones spending to much time down the mosques, getting all riled up about Hadiths smiting the Non-believers...isnt it funny or rather selfish that those who cant enjoy the pub due to religious indoctrination convictions wants to make it so the rest cant either, its jealousy and envy is all...
He's about as convincing as your usual lefty doing their clueless impression of the horrible nasty dark side. The guy stinks of leftiness.
@wor53lg50 which means, by your logic, you want to become Islamic as you are jealous of them.
@@wor53lg50I’ve not once been prevented from going to a pub by a Muslim. Ive got no clue what you’re smoking.
@@vetinaris1297 yeah righteo then, truth hurts some types dont it!! fukin muppet..offended by all, ashamed at nothing...
About the treatment of Jess Philips - why do Rory and Alistair have such difficulty saying the word 'muslim'?
Because it's easier to rubbish George Galloway. Alistair hates him because of his stance on Iraq...
The biggest problem with SOE is that it's SO easy to manipulate. Set up an account, click on a story - and bingo, you've started to drive traffic there. And then that's what a newspaper/magazine/site is going to fund and follow up. If that doesn't stop, we'll always have this - no news on what matters globally, no sense of big picture etc
Lovely remarks by Rory about Angela Raynor.
If only more Tories had his humanity.
Channel 4 News tries to report Sudan
"Mushroom 3D", thats half of Massive Attack right there.....
I'm more of a Black Sabbath person 😊
Tricky Kid and Daddy G, for the uncultured.
Though Joe maybe having a laugh . It's important that it is seeing how people are going to vote with such a massive change in the political landscape. All questions are valid in my opinion. Especially how did Liz truss become PM ?
Four in Glasgow were an extended family from Derby, who had just applied to be candidates.
On your point about conflicts not being reported on. If there is increasing instability in the world that usually means we can expect higher levels of migration as people are forced to flee their homes - which can inevitably mean we the UK (along with other countries) experience higher levels of immigration. This raises questions about why our politicians and our media are not talking about these conflicts when 'Immigration' would appear to be a key gripe for the electorate herein the UK, Europe, US etc... Growing up in the 70s and 80s there was lots of conflict and it was always reported on news (Uganda, Israel, Syria, Cyprus, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc...). Chasing ratings just demonstrates a lack of both vision and leadership and we all know how that ends (badly).
I’m a lefty but not a crazy one. I’d like to know why Rory isn’t? Specifically what we might disagree on.
Samantha Niblett would be a great shout!
Wow! I didn’t even know Sudan was in a war
On the subject of what gets into the news and what doesn't, what the BBC still appear to be pushing as their top story - with live updates! - is last night's England game. Not on the sports page, on the landing page of the BBC News site . Israel/Gaza and the war in Ukraine do at least still have their own designated tabs when you go there via a browser, but what is being considered 'news worth reporting' seems to have slowed considerably.
Plus, they don't talk about Palestine a lot, they systematically avoid it. That question by was just a spin tactic to turn our attention away from the atrocities happening in Gaza this week and the fact that they DON'T want to talk about it.
Why, Rory, is Charles I your political hero? It seems a bit odd for someone such as yourself to admire such a character!
0:40 Wow that is exactly what I pictured a listener to this podcast to look.
Interview with Zelensky is a great idea.. hope you pull that off
4:16 "nothing to do with those constituencies" - yes, the Reform candidate in my constituency of North Glasgow had an address in Leicestershire! Nonetheless, they beat the Tories to fourth place (behind Labour, SNP, Greens) with 4.8% of the vote to the Tories' 3.9%
I am in the same constituency and, because of the Leicestershire address, tried to Google the Reform candidate. There was nothing on her so she was obviously a paper candidate. The 1,600 votes she received will be counted for the short money allocated to opposition parties towards their costs. I think all the Reform candidates ‘standing’ in Glasgow were paper candidates.
Great section on unreported conflicts but on area you missed out on was the low intensity conflict thats been going in the Indian states of Nagaland & Manipur for years. As for Myanmar/Burma there's been conflict there since 1953 specially in the Shan State. The islamic insurgency in the southern Philippines is not at all reported now days, as are the tribal conflicts in the PNG highlands. At the moment there are 7 unreported conflicts or clashes in South & South East Asia alone.
34:10 It's funny, as an American in London for my junior year abroad in 2000-01, one of the things I liked most about the British political system was PMQs and the rowdiness. This is serious business, people should be shouting!
they really get to it in some foreign parliaments, proper brawling! 🙂 x
greetings from south wales..
i think Blair reduced the amount of time given to prime ministers questions, from an hour to two half hours, down to one half hour a week..
disappointing..
£144,000 seems awfully low for vetting, that works out to £221 per candidate (assuming that they only vetted 1 candidate per seat). It seems like they skimped out on the process and learned the consequences.
First Jacob!
Rory, I think that there's a small army of middle-aged men like us who have secret crush on Angela Rayner. She's such an amazing person. So refreshing.
What fraction of Tory Party members voted for Reform?
Hard to know, a lot more voted Labour and Lib Dem in total though.
nearly 50 percent
A Different Bias did a good video on that if you’re interested.
It was the vulgar fraction that voted for the vulgarity that Reform is…
Question to Rory: why do the US have to take care and ‘do something’ about conflicts created by others in other parts of the world?
Some that occupy those halls lately need to define and reappraise their own humanity, once they find out how to.
What number of readers is needed to keep a newsletter on Sudan alive? How many english-reading "middleclass" are there in the world who could be interested in reading it?
When Rory says that American presidents need to be good communicators in order to wage piece, does this mean you don’t accept the idea that America wants to wage perpetual war because it’s so great for the economy?