Trying out the updated JustFlight PA-28 Piper Arrow III in Microsoft Flight Simulator

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @KAPAFlyer
    @KAPAFlyer 9 месяцев назад +6

    Picking up the Arrow III in the Spring Sale today!

  • @dazknight9326
    @dazknight9326 Год назад +4

    Just bought this plane myself for my company in Air Hauler 2. It is now my personal aircraft there.

  • @stephenbull2026
    @stephenbull2026 Год назад +15

    I have put so many hours in that plane. So glad to hear that justflight are still updating it.

  • @Squirel
    @Squirel Год назад +6

    One of my favourite things with this aeroplane is it's interior look - obviously well loved and well used.

  • @RoscoeMcGillicuddy
    @RoscoeMcGillicuddy Год назад +3

    Glad to see I'm not the only one who has the weird serpentine phenomenon happen while taking off. It happens on the JustFlight Warrior as well, and I've flown real Cherokees enough to know that doesn't happen in real life.

  • @JamesSumnall
    @JamesSumnall Год назад +3

    Thank you for showing the updates to the Just Flight Pipers. I bought these recently not realising they were broken. Great to see the improvements and enhancements. Looking forward to coming back from holiday and trying them for myself. Keep up the enjoyable content.

  • @ThomasGrillo
    @ThomasGrillo 5 месяцев назад +1

    I just picked this plane up from the market place. Now, I wish I'd gone on, and gotten the bundled. LOL. This aircraft really is more of a medium skill aircraft. Lots to be done. I actually was a passenger in one of these, back in the 70s. This reminds me of that flight. Thanks for sharing this. :)

  • @rolanddutton
    @rolanddutton Год назад +3

    Your work rate is something else! Enjoying the content, and getting my msfs fix as I don't have time to sim at the moment.

  • @wollaminfaetter
    @wollaminfaetter Год назад +4

    I'm soooo happy they updated them. Love the planes! Way to go JustFlight

  • @richavery66
    @richavery66 Год назад +5

    I'm enjoying your reviews of the Just Flight updates to their PA-28s. The Wycombe - Elstree - Wycombe route is good, especially now that I've learnt some tips from you. (I'll be looking out for the beast on both journeys.) BTW, I think it's worth noting that the TDS GTNXi and PMS50 GTN units can be used in the JF PA-28s if people have them installed.
    Regarding the NAV and Omni positions in the autopilot, in the 'AutoControl IIIB Operating Instructions' it states that the NAV position "is used to cancel any short term deviations of the transmitted VOR signal by FAA stations, resulting in a smooth and positive flight path to or from any VOR facility", and that "the coupler would be in NAV position [when following a radial] ... It is recommended that the Omni position of the Coupler be used for approach work." Therefore, as far as I understand it, the Omni position is more sensitive than the NAV, meaning that when enroute the NAV position should be used to give a smoother flight, and the Omni position should be used for the approach and arrival phases.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      Yep - somebody else commented about it - NAV is longer range - OMNI is more accurate.

  • @donaldholman9070
    @donaldholman9070 Год назад +1

    It works! The next navigation I learned was taught to me by my uncle. He taught me how to use a topographical maps and how to go into the bush and get back out without killing yourself.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Yep - we used to go walking with our kids when they were young, and get them to figure out topographical features :)

  • @_pjd
    @_pjd Год назад +2

    Thanks for all the GA videos!

  • @GumperVanLier
    @GumperVanLier Год назад +3

    Use NAV over Omni when signal is far away or has a weak signal. It reduces sensitivity for the autopilot but both can be used. This is from thecorporatepilotdad who is a professional pilot and reviewed this plane about 2 years ago.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Aha - finally a description of why! Thank you!

  • @ujd2930
    @ujd2930 Год назад +1

    Excellent graphics! Great video.

  • @kaeptnbaloo
    @kaeptnbaloo 7 месяцев назад

    Well done Jonathan, thank you so much for sharing your experience with this beauty! May I ask you are you using a Reshade? It looks so pleasant. Best Reshade Ive seen so far!

  • @paulrobinson7636
    @paulrobinson7636 Месяц назад

    Hi Jon ... I have asked this question before ( with another presenter in relation to the Mooney M20 R ) but never quite " got it ".. why does it appear that only Turbo engine planes have the separate prop speed control ?, ... And is it like the torque converter in a car automatic gearbox ??

  • @carenthusiast6748
    @carenthusiast6748 Год назад +2

    The Just Flight Arrow III and IV Turbo pack or the A2A Comanche? I can only get one.

  • @XCougar85X
    @XCougar85X Год назад +2

    Thank you for the video. Glad they finally updated it. Just a bloody shame it took them 8 flippin months :O

  • @captainibsen
    @captainibsen Год назад +1

    Hi Jonathan - I bought mine at MSFS2020 Marketplace and got and update in CONTENT MANAGER where it says "up to date" but it does not look like yours in this video, I cant get the screen to work with the different choises - do you have an idea whats wrong?? Happy Easter by the way.

  • @onboardsimulations8304
    @onboardsimulations8304 Год назад

    Currently saving up for the trio bundle - this video makes me want it even more!

  • @KimFieldstad
    @KimFieldstad Год назад +2

    Love your drive for realistic flying. Were did you get the information on the circuit and ground track?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      Navigraph has the circuit information on the VFR map for many airfields. Outside of that, I bought "Pooleys Flight Guide", which has details on all of the airfields in the UK :)

  • @peterbassey9668
    @peterbassey9668 Год назад +2

    This is sooo nice. Thanks Jon. I’m currently experiencing a difficulty tracing the websites I purchased the Warrior II and all the Pipers from. It’s super crazy! I absolutely thought these were all JustFlight purchases but my Orders tab does not show that I bought them from JustFlight. I’m still chewing my nails here, lost in wonder

    • @AvallachEmrys
      @AvallachEmrys Год назад +1

      Did you try searching your email for 'Piper'? That's what I did.

    • @reedi30
      @reedi30 Год назад

      Did you buy direct from the MSFS marketplace?

    • @kokoeteantigha389
      @kokoeteantigha389 Год назад

      ​@@reedi30Don't think so. I've checked there as well. Nada.

    • @kokoeteantigha389
      @kokoeteantigha389 Год назад

      ​@@AvallachEmrysI'm in the habit of trying to tidy my email by deleting old stuff. Not a very sound idea but it therefore means my inbox will be little help.

    • @197jm
      @197jm 6 месяцев назад

      CC statement maybe? Unless you buy a lot of add-ons might not be helpful!

  • @stevenbond2891
    @stevenbond2891 Год назад +1

    Great flight, thanks for sharing.

  • @supersam787
    @supersam787 10 месяцев назад

    Great video. What hardware do you run with those graphics?

  • @mastersofdisneyadventures9364
    @mastersofdisneyadventures9364 Год назад

    I've just purchased Orbx Elstree Aerodrome after seeing it here, but I've noticed there's an invisible object that causes a collision as you taxi to runway 26. Have you or anyone else experienced this?

  • @denightrider2929
    @denightrider2929 Год назад +1

    Thx, did not know about vertical speed mode

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      It shouldn't be there. I think it kind of ruins it.

  • @wisdomy736
    @wisdomy736 Год назад +2

    Does this update apply to the justflight pipers from the msfs marketplace or just the ones bought directly from just flight?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      I guess the marketplace just lags behind a bit.

  • @howardslade267
    @howardslade267 Год назад +1

    When you buy from JustFlight, does the purchase go into the Community Folder or does it update into MSFS?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      Justflight typically give you an installer, which puts things in Community.

  • @sbmorris2k6
    @sbmorris2k6 7 месяцев назад

    Anyone know how to fly level without autopilot, keep having to fight tge trim wheel and never stays level always pitching up or down.??

  • @nicholaswakelen5600
    @nicholaswakelen5600 Год назад

    just watched this flight really nicely done.... Is Jersey an addon scenery?

  • @get_outdoors
    @get_outdoors Год назад +1

    The Coupler dial has a hidden click point, I thought that was the Alt hold… will have to check. Also, JF are still going to introduce the Stormscope to the Pipers at a future point

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      You can click the blank area, or above the coupler.

  • @Mindauxx
    @Mindauxx Год назад +1

    Hello, Really love your videos. So clear, so interesting, so educating. Subbed. I have a question though. I have my Piper Arrow III purchased through game's marketplace, I reinstalled it, but I still get tablet with 10.5 version (not 10.6 like yours), there is no home menu on tablet (navigraph, etc), and the usual broken stuff, like stuck GPS100 are still there. Is your Piper from JustFlight directly, or from sim marketplace?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      The marketplace version hasn't been updated yet. I imagine it will appear next week.

  • @SteveGWilcox
    @SteveGWilcox Год назад +1

    Isn’t that “railway line” the A41 ?? - you may be getting confused - I’m sure the railway line is a reference point as one leaves the airfield using runway 08 ? I live locally, and can’t recall any railway lines west of the airfield

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      You're absolutely right - it is the A41 :) I often say one thing, and mean another - rubbish at multi-tasking :)

  • @blackbeardsghost6588
    @blackbeardsghost6588 Год назад +2

    I agree about the altitude hold. I don't use it. Besides, this plane trims up VERY nicely.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Yep - completely agree

    • @kokoeteantigha389
      @kokoeteantigha389 Год назад

      Mine doesn't. I bob up and down all over the place with a very recalcitrant trim tab.

    • @blackbeardsghost6588
      @blackbeardsghost6588 Год назад

      @@kokoeteantigha389 Since this post, I have stepped up to the A2A simulations Piper Comanche 250. It's incredible. I won't fly anything else now.

  • @higherresolution3511
    @higherresolution3511 Год назад +3

    I hope you are on commission Jonathan. You certainly should be if not 😊
    If you say it’s good I tend to buy it 🤣 Then I can say to the boss that the voices made me do it.

  • @pintokitkat
    @pintokitkat Год назад +1

    Sometimes you get rid of flaps at the top of climb and others you get rid of them as soon as you're off the ground to reduce the drag and maintain airspeed which allows a steady climb rate. How do you decide which you do?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Depends on the aircraft, the airfield, and the conditions. For most GA planes, if you're taking off from a long enough runway, you don't need flaps for take-off at all. I'm guessing the rational then for keeping flaps throughout the initial climb is to avoid changing aircraft configuration unnecessarily (would need to look that up though).

    • @scottysansone5884
      @scottysansone5884 Год назад

      I usually slowly retract the flaps during the climb as I slowly build up speed which is when I took off from a short airfield and have obstacles over me.

  • @Len_J_
    @Len_J_ Год назад +1

    What payware are you using for Elstree? I have the Orbx one. Has it been updated if so how do you update it?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      Yes - it's the OrbX one. I just bought it from OrbX Central (their windows app)

    • @Len_J_
      @Len_J_ Год назад +1

      @@jonbeckett Ok great, does the new version fix the slope of the runway? What's different mainly or is it pretty much the same?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      @@Len_J_ It doesn't seem to be on a massive hill any more :) Just overall detail is much better - and the nearby roads and railway are there, which helps because they're part of the VFR route in and out.

  • @jfsnyder15
    @jfsnyder15 Год назад +1

    Love this plane but still has problems at least for me. Can't get it into NAV mode with autopilot and the altitude hold is kind of iffy to. It'd be great if they ever get all the bugs worked out of it.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      It seems to work fine for me.

  • @Turner9090
    @Turner9090 Год назад +1

    Just got this plane on Xbox, little gusty at my local airport but landing it seemed….very difficult, and I’m not a newb at this stuff…maybe I need to turn down the sensitivity on the yoke, as soon as I went to flare she climbed on my and recovering was very difficult…had to go around multiple times…But Just Flight is great always have been

    • @Turner9090
      @Turner9090 Год назад +2

      Okay after watching his landing I’m coming in too slow

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      I may have been too fast :)

  • @davidtsw
    @davidtsw Год назад +1

    I don't have this plane but judging from the video is still seems twitchy, especially the rudder ?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      That's mostly down to my controller - and yes, it is a bit twitchy :)

    • @davidtsw
      @davidtsw Год назад

      @@jonbeckett Yeah I wasn't sure because you mentioned the controller too. I was waiting to see if JF manage to finally fix that twitchiness. Might have to buy another plane from SWS instead :)

  • @mecraig6291
    @mecraig6291 4 месяца назад

    Enjoyed it !

  • @andyallen61
    @andyallen61 Год назад

    I came across your youtube channel yesterday while I was looking for someone who had tried the JustFlight PA-28 Piper Arrow III in Microsoft Flight Simulator. I fly this plane at my local airport, so I have been looking for a way to practice in the cockpit at home to keep myself familiar with it without having to pay for time to rent the plane. I have just started looking into flight simulators in the past week, so I am very new to them. I had a few questions I was hoping you could help me with:
    1) Is Microsoft Flight Simulator the way to go? I had a pilot shop tell me I should go with X-Flight 12.
    2) In the youtube flight you did with the Piper Arrow, I saw you flew between what seemed to be two small local airports in your area. When I read the description of what comes in Microsoft Flight Simulator, it says it only comes with 30 airports. I was hoping to be able to fly between small local airports here where I live. Is that something that can be added or how were you able to do that?
    3) What yoke/throttle/pedal would you recommend?
    Thank you so much! I really appreciate your help.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      Both Microsoft Flight Simulator and X-Plane are both great simulators. Historically, X-Plane was regarded as more accurate, but that's not true any more. In the last couple of years Microsoft Flight Simulator has arrived, and superceded X-Plane in many areas.
      X-Plane simulates the behaviour of an aircraft using technique called "Blade Element Theory" - that works out how the air hits the shape of the aircraft, and resolves the forces to animate it appropriately. Flight Simulator now uses a similar technique, but does it far more accurately. On top of that, Flight Simulator simulates fluid dynamics too - so it models the movement of air molecules over the airframe - which allows it to simulate P-Factor, slipstream effect, torque, and so on - making it that little bit more accurate.
      At the end of the day, they are both very good simulators. There are however numerous real-world GA pilots that have looked at both, and said Flight Simulator - for specific aircraft - feels more accurate.
      The real game changer is the world around you. Your information about Flight Simulator was wrong. It included 37,000 airports at launch, and has added far more over the last few years. What's more, Flight Simulator models the entire world in terms of geography - every field, tree, road, house, factory - you name it. On top of that, it has "photogrammetry" for major cities - so you're not only seeing an "approximation" of buildings - you're seeing the actual buildings.
      Flight Simulator also models weather for the entire world, live, and simulates airflow over landscape accurately - with turbulence, downdrafts, thermals, and so on. It renders the appearance of clouds very, very well - and various light conditions. X-Plane doesn't do any of this "out of the box" - you have to add numerous expensive add-ons.
      I'm happy to visit your local airfields in the simulator if you let me know where, to show you.
      I use a Thrustmaster Airbus stick and throttle quadrant. If you're learning for GA, you'll probably be better off with a yolk, and throttle levers - a popular one that lots of people use is made by "Honeycomb". Google it.
      p.s. I used X-Plane exclusively for several years - I'm not just bashing on it - I own both simulators.

    • @andyallen61
      @andyallen61 Год назад +2

      @@jonbeckett Thank you for the detailed reply. I typically fly our of KIPJ and fly to KSPA, KGMU, KHKY, etc. Could you let me know how to intigrate the JustFight Piper download into Microsoft Flight Simulator? Sorry for the newby questions!

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      I thought JustFlight downloads were executable installers? You should be able to just run it - it will find the Flight Simulator installation location itself.

    • @andyallen61
      @andyallen61 Год назад

      @@jonbeckett I'll give that a try. Any suggestions between standard, deluxe, and premium before I buy?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      @@andyallen61 Premium has more "high fidelity" airports and aircraft with it as part of the package.

  • @mikecoffee100
    @mikecoffee100 Год назад +1

    A very sensible Spot on video and ok msn let's get on with the updates then or some of us will be cross

  • @wilga80
    @wilga80 Год назад +1

    Thanks

  • @martinbelisle4961
    @martinbelisle4961 Год назад

    Noob question, would real life pilot arriving in the axis of the runway do a full circuit or would they land right off? That's a question I always had. Cheers and thanks for the great videos!

    • @42LGK
      @42LGK Год назад +1

      depends on the wind direction :)

    • @Gilles45
      @Gilles45 Год назад +2

      In my neck of the woods (Québec, Canada), at uncontrolled airports, pilots often overfly the airport perpendicularly to the runway, checking things out below before joining the downwind leg. They of course continuously inform potential trafic of their intentions over the appropriate UNICOM frequency. An anecdote, on Anticosti Island, pilots will often do a low pass to check for deer on the runway and scare them off before coming in to land. The deer are so plentiful here that they come into town and you can approach them to within a few feet.

    • @benvanboom8907
      @benvanboom8907 Год назад

      Normally you should enter the cirquit at the downwind entrypoint and fly the cirquit, sometimes when there is not much taffic, you could ask for a straight in (depends also if the aerodrome is controlled or not)

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      As others have said - there are broadly two scenarios - if it's a controlled airfield, you do what you're told to do. If it's uncontrolled, there is usually a chart showing the "circuit", with accepted entry points. Failing that, there are several accepted patterns to enter the circuit at an airfield (such as 2000ft overhead, perpendicular to the runway direction, then drop into the circuit).

    • @peterellis49
      @peterellis49 Год назад +1

      Great video once again Jonathan, I too enjoy the JF Cherokee collection as I fly them irl. In case any of your followers are interested, when joining a circuit even at a controlled airfield, quite often ATC will instruct to join overhead, it will be for the pilot to know what this means. Generally we position overhead usually at 2000 feet and then descend on the dead side to join downwind at circuit height. All turns are to be carried out in the direction of the circuit. Once in the circuit at published circuit height, a downwind call is made and ATC will issue further instructions. Cheers buddy just my ten pence worth.

  • @marekpaul6110
    @marekpaul6110 Год назад +1

    Why does it always look like you taxi at manic speeds .. formula one style .. is it just the way the video is recorded ?

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      I thought I was only doing about 5 knots ?

    • @marekpaul6110
      @marekpaul6110 Год назад

      @@jonbeckett Possibly but in all your videos it looks like you are taxying at Formula 1 speeds .. always makes me smile :-)

    • @iwfro
      @iwfro Год назад

      I fly a real PA out of Elstree on a weekly basis. That rudder oscillation is something I’ve seen since the update too. It doesn’t seem associated with weather, and of course in the real PA28 would require right hand rudder to counter act engine torque. The Just Flight PA28 and the payware EGTR is what got me through my PPL in less than 50hrs, but there’s more work needed on the rudder performance to make it more realistic

  • @PilotGigi
    @PilotGigi Год назад

    How do you update if the Ac has been purchased by marketplace?

    • @justflight
      @justflight Год назад +2

      the updated software is going to ms today for the marketplace so that means hopefully by next week they'll be live on the marketplace too.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Thankyou :)

  • @benvanboom8907
    @benvanboom8907 Год назад

    maybe your controller, but in my experience the Justflight Pipers are very nervous on the runway.....you did not want to fly by the book, but still some tips for you. Flaps up not at top of climb, but at 200-300 FT leaving the aerodrome, Engine management in the climb after cleanup 2.500 RPM, on cruise 23 Inch on the manifold and 2.300 RPM (so 23"-2.300RPM or 21"-2.300 RPM when you want to slow down a bit), speeds in the cirquit: 100-90 on downwind, 80 on base and 70 kts on final. Good tips on the autopilot - thanks, Much much better flying then in the past 🙂 !!

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      Hah - yes - I'll need to read the POH to get the proper engine settings. I often find myself torn while reading the POH - wondering why the procedures are written the way they are. I guess it comes down to the nature of my work - when something happens it's not enough to know "if this, then do that" - you need to understand the situation, and act accordingly. A lot of POH instruction seems to fall into the "rote instruction", rather than "this is how this works, and why you should handle the plane in this way, given XYZ circumstances".

    • @benvanboom8907
      @benvanboom8907 Год назад +1

      @@jonbeckett at the pace you make video’s and test planes you can not get into every POH. But in common you can use my tips above for aircraft with constant speed props (Turbo’s are a bit different, not to speak about Turbines)

  • @Wilber913
    @Wilber913 Год назад +2

    I can’t afford to get this 😂 talk me into it please 😂

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад +1

      The JustFlight Pipers are very good since they were updated. Among the best GA planes in the game.

    • @Wilber913
      @Wilber913 Год назад +1

      @@jonbeckett you’ve just cost me £40

  • @loiphin
    @loiphin Год назад +1

    You must get a lot of stick from simmers about doing things right, because you have a disclaimer every time ;) I guess the flight sim community must be the most anally retentive bunch of any video "gaming" community on the internet.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  Год назад

      I think some of the audience (the real pilots) just want to encourage peopel to do things more correctly - which I'm slowly moving towards. As for the others - yeah - it takes all sorts :)

  • @aviatortrucker6285
    @aviatortrucker6285 8 месяцев назад

    Piece of crap. Autopilot doesn’t work with the GTN750. Autopilot on will not allow pitch changes or trim. Doesn’t actually navigate with the GTN750 or the GNS530 with the Arrow IV Turbo. Deleted it and trying to get a refund.

    • @jonbeckett
      @jonbeckett  8 месяцев назад

      The autopilot works fine for me. The real unit doesn't have altitude hold - it's up to the pilot to trim the aircraft manually - however in the simulated aircraft there is a hidden click-spot that implements altitude hold.

    • @aviatortrucker6285
      @aviatortrucker6285 8 месяцев назад

      @@jonbeckett I got the piper arrow bundle. That comes with the turbo arrow three, the arrow three and the turbo arrow four. I also got the free download for the GTN 750. When I select the GTN 750 I can program a flight plan, but the aircraft auto pilot does not follow its navigation. there is no way to actually program any flight plan in the Garmin 100 which is the original system. The GS 530/430 works OK as far as navigating. I realize the auto pilot does not have altitude hold but if I am say climbing, and I engage the auto pilot to hold, the NAV, the electronic and the manual trim wheel is frozen and cannot be moved. It moves however when the auto pilot is switched off. I don’t understand why it does that but you have to be able to fly the aircraft and trim it with the auto pilot on since it is only designed to control the steering of the aircraft and not the altitude. If I turn the auto pilot off then you start going into longitudinal issues where the plane will not remain level. I don’t remember this in the real aircraft, in fact it doesn’t do this in the real aircraft. To me this is not worth the 50 bucks I spent on it. I just deleted it and request a refund. I’ll go back to using Microsoft default aircraft. Some 3rd party software doesn’t work.

  • @rf5595
    @rf5595 Год назад +2

    Im used to cessna 152, but when im trying to land this plane the nose will hardly go up, i feel like im about to break my yoke pulling it and its still hard to nose up on flare, is this normal?

    • @KAPAFlyer
      @KAPAFlyer 9 месяцев назад

      Trim to about 2.0⁰ and full flaps down. Lower the power as you flare and let her set down.