Suzune Horikita vs Kiriyama Ikuto Full-Scale Comparison | Mental Battles Arc

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @JayChef__
    @JayChef__  Год назад +16

    Kiriyama’s Feat list: docs.google.com/document/d/16TGToCAI-6CI68GJDDTp0aSQ3SVWukyKPzIr5gBGvTk/edit

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      Not reading allat bc I already know his feats and I'm lazy 🗿🍷

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +1

      @@walsmakep6059 W 👽🐧

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      @@JayChef__ fr 🐧🥶🥶

    • @darrks
      @darrks Год назад

      is there a horikita feat list google doc?

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +1

      @@darrks Nah not yet sorry

  • @YzMisssterry
    @YzMisssterry Год назад +55

    Kiriyama has been extremely underrated, his feats especially in Year 2 Volume 9 really deserves more attention. But even so, I'm sure Horikita got this! ✨

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +5

      Frfr 🔥✨

    • @garyzhu1913
      @garyzhu1913 Год назад

      He basically instigated the entire case of shoplifting by himself

    • @creation5389
      @creation5389 Год назад

      Fax, kanzaki and kiriyama neg all

    • @creation5389
      @creation5389 Год назад

      But unfortunately+fortunately bestgirl solo

    • @anshumansingh6565
      @anshumansingh6565 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@garyzhu1913wait no did I forget something coz from what I read he was the mastermind behind that shoplifting incident

  • @aminsoussi2354
    @aminsoussi2354 Год назад +1

    Finally some Kiriyama recognition. I was pleasantly surprised with is amazing feat in Y2 Volume 9 and i was shocked people weren't talking about it at all. His feats back in Y2 V4 were pretty damn impressive as well. W video. Now i want Ryuen vs Kiriyama please

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +1

      But I want Kiriyama’s winning streak alive tho :(

  • @DIVYANSH-dz9uj
    @DIVYANSH-dz9uj Год назад +4

    Amazing edit

  • @gonfreecss6193
    @gonfreecss6193 Год назад +3

    W edit + Fax

  • @scan1mid282
    @scan1mid282 Год назад

    This gonna be 🔥 keep up the 🔥 edits as usual 😁

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      Thanks a lot bro 🔥🐧

    • @scan1mid282
      @scan1mid282 Год назад

      ​@@JayChef__ 🐧 🐧 🐧 🐧 🐧 🐧

  • @jimmymcgill221
    @jimmymcgill221 Год назад

    Damn, really good edit.

  • @cakiEDITS
    @cakiEDITS Год назад

    W EDIT as always 🗽

  • @RANDOM_70
    @RANDOM_70 Год назад +1

    We want consistent jay back🤧
    Btw W vid Kiriyama is underrated

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      Jay had a busy af week fr. Btw I’ll try to be more consistent starting from the weekends 🤧

    • @RANDOM_70
      @RANDOM_70 Год назад

      @@JayChef__ no prob....Take your time

  • @tertywater
    @tertywater Год назад +1

    ayy premiere is back
    waiting 2 days just for kiriyama to solo is crazy fr

    • @tertywater
      @tertywater Год назад

      my anticipation is godly also nice edit fr

  • @FetelB
    @FetelB Год назад +1

    Big W, w edit🍷🗿

  • @Joerixyz
    @Joerixyz Год назад

    W edit🙌

  • @saksham4180
    @saksham4180 Год назад

    Less goo mega W 🗿
    Kiryama lowkey underrated 🥶🥶

  • @KushidaKikyou
    @KushidaKikyou Год назад +4

    Is there a document for all of these categories? I may do some sort of full-scale soon and I wish to gain more information regarding these categories.

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +2

      I see. This is a doc that has categories needed:
      docs.google.com/document/d/1LPM-OpsAWIoDGrN65lc4bEjeRlsz5fzj/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=106892927943886954329&rtpof=true&sd=true

  • @editiorschoice2139
    @editiorschoice2139 Год назад +2

    Horikita finally able to win in at least something without kojis help lol.

  • @WanoxEdit
    @WanoxEdit Год назад +4

    Current Suzune is sot underrated
    She mid-high diff this fodder, imagine being in class A and get no diffed by Nagumo
    Suzune has better feat
    And by narrative, he is shit, like being outsmarted by Horikita in Y2V9, a png vs Koenji in Y2V4, a Nagumo pet all the novel.

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      Looks like you need to read Kiriyama’s feat list

    • @WanoxEdit
      @WanoxEdit Год назад +1

      @@JayChef__ I can do the same with Suzune, but the pdf will do 50 pages.
      You based all your argumentation in 2 discussion and 1 strategy. Also you overrate his strategy on Y2V9, it could only work because Nagumo trusted him, and because Nagumo didn't think him capable of such ingenuity. It wouldn't have been hard for the president to expose Kiriyama by investigating, and it was extremely risky to target Fuuka. In short, his success rate was negative without plot armor and luck, and all for nothing because he hadn't properly anticipated Ichinose's decision.
      And you fall into the disease of interpreting a conversation where the guy proves nothing concrete. You also skip the Y1V9 where his actions are mid.
      This character is just a showcase to demonstrate the abilities of the others, he just helps scale Nagumo high throughout the work due to the fact that he's gone from A to B class, with such a difference in points, and here in Y2V9 all his intervention serves only to buff Suzune scenaristically.
      He is max Ichinose level, and maybe a Nanase victim.

    • @DAX-PMFT
      @DAX-PMFT Год назад +1

      ​​​@@WanoxEdit Is your reading comprehension aight my man?
      His strategy had nothing to do with Nagumo trusting him, that is not even an element of it and an uncertainty. Even Kiriyama himself made up this strategy on the permise that he will be caught anyway.
      The actual only aspect to be criticised regarding his strategy is his reliance on Fuka Kiryuin's actions and behaviour completely and also hoping that it would he enough to get Ichinose out of the council.
      He anticipated Kiryuin perfectly, so there's no real problem in that aside from maybe some lower end success rate.
      Also I agree Suzune is underrated and she Extreme Diffs Tsubaki imo

    • @WanoxEdit
      @WanoxEdit Год назад +1

      @@DAX-PMFT No but even if his strategy work, if he ends up being exposed by Nagumo, how can he anticipate that he'll be safe? His goal is to save points in his year, but he wants above all to be promoted to A class, as Y2V2 shows. We see in Y2V9 that Nagumo does what he wants, he could very well have blacked him by discovering that he's plotting, now he's just been lucky by the kindness of the other characters, and who knows if Nagumo hasn't blacklisted him and is lying, and even if he forgives him, it remains an extremely risky strategy, for nothing since he didn't predict Ichinose as I've already said.
      In short, he risked his place in class A for a strategy that was useless in the end.
      So 1 strategy which surprises Nagumo, so probably the best he's ever done, and 2 discussions over-interpreted at will, just to allow you to say Kiriyama outsmart Suzune high very high diff.
      Also "high very high" make you scale him above Koenji and maybe above Ryuen ?????

    • @DAX-PMFT
      @DAX-PMFT Год назад +1

      @@WanoxEdit Thing is the result and his strategy being pointless in the end has nothing to do with his process and actual work and smarts put into it
      I'm aware of these, that's not a criteria which I'd downplay Kiriyama on.
      Regarding his safety... umm.. did you not understand that he was willing to trade his safety first of all? That's actually an important aspect of it.
      Also for me Suzune =< Kiriyama < Curent Ishigami < Koenji

  • @Amalthea.1s
    @Amalthea.1s Год назад +1

    Common W my man

  • @kiyokouji999
    @kiyokouji999 Год назад +7

    You know,I personally think Kiriyama deserves to graduate from class A. I think Ayanokoji will or by some other ways , Nagumo will get expelled and Kiriyama will bring down class A.

    • @Val11_
      @Val11_ Год назад

      Didn’t he already join class A ?

    • @kiyokouji999
      @kiyokouji999 Год назад

      @@Val11_ nope. He still doesn't have the ticket to class A. Nagumo can revoke his rights anytime according to the contract.

    • @UniversalPvp
      @UniversalPvp Год назад

      Pretty much impossible to expel Nagumo considering he can return from expulsion multiple times via the points he has.

    • @kiyokouji999
      @kiyokouji999 Год назад

      @@UniversalPvp Doesn't matter. He will lose his class A status and if that happens, the contract will be nullified and no one will follow him.

    • @UniversalPvp
      @UniversalPvp Год назад

      @@kiyokouji999 there is a lead of 1000 points, not happening unless kinu asspulls

  • @XRip-
    @XRip- Год назад

    Your edits definitely have improved since you transfered to Alight Motion. 👍

  • @mmmmmmmmmmmmmm5866
    @mmmmmmmmmmmmmm5866 Год назад +5

    Horikita with food and compass negs

  • @DarkKouji
    @DarkKouji Год назад

    Huge W🐧

  • @theunamused
    @theunamused Год назад

    Amazing video
    I am glad to see Kiriyama finally showing feats, for the entirety of the LN until y2v9 he didn't do much at least from what i saw
    Btw you know Kokichi right?

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      Ik Kokichi but Idk what the guy does sorry

    • @theunamused
      @theunamused Год назад

      @@JayChef__ Ahh i was gonna ask for a few details on his feats since i don't know much either because I thought you knew
      it's all good tho, nice music at the end too

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      @@theunamused Ahh I see + thanks 🍷🐧

    • @xandercrow3400
      @xandercrow3400 Год назад

      ​@theunamused551 Kokochi from Danganropa? His best feat is creating a book of scenarios that anticipated how a trial will play out after his death, getting Kaito to act as both himself and Kokochi to disguise which one of them was still alive which links into his next feat. Created a near perfect/ unsolvable crime that proved that Monokuma wasn't omniscient to invalidate the class trials and prove that one of the other surviving students was helping Monokuma, aiding the survivers in finding the mastermind and thus ending the killings. Through his deductions, hit very close to the truth behind the game/killings, without use of a flashback light, which is what everyone used to recover their lost memories and the other students only realized after being exposed to the flashback light, based on the truth that he deduced, manipulated one of the students into killing the person who was going to kill him, thus the student who commited the murder was excecuted despite Kokochi being the mastermind, to add to this the student didn't even mind being exceuted because, Kokochi with a mix of lies and as I said before his deductions of the the truth, made him filled with despair and hopelessness in living that he became conviced that killing aas actually a mercy. He also left clues to solve the vault of Rantaro which doesn't make sense tbh as you can't access his room until the 6th case and Kokochi shouldn't have been able to either but hey it is another one of his feats. He does have other feats but these are some of his most notable.

    • @xandercrow3400
      @xandercrow3400 Год назад

      ​@@theunamused Sorry that ended up being a long message

  • @storyswapchara9007
    @storyswapchara9007 Год назад

    38 mintues late 🗿
    Though W edit, probably the best i have seen from you

  • @skullnah351
    @skullnah351 Год назад

    W edit W debate

  • @storyswapchara9007
    @storyswapchara9007 Год назад

    Will try to make it on time on the premiere fr

  • @DIVYANSH-dz9uj
    @DIVYANSH-dz9uj Год назад +2

    🔥🔥

  • @Fulan_yaku
    @Fulan_yaku 5 месяцев назад +3

    Next utomiya

  • @gamingxleon2927
    @gamingxleon2927 Год назад +1

    Bro after reading y2v9
    And seeing how good kiriyama is
    Then realising that y2v4 island exam
    Just proves how great koenji is.

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад +3

      This ain't even about koenji dawg😭💀
      Get off his meat🐧

    • @gamingxleon2927
      @gamingxleon2927 Год назад +1

      @@walsmakep6059 I'm just saying that kiriyama is so good but
      Looks like a child in front of koenji

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад +1

      @@gamingxleon2927 Arisu victim in outsmarting🗿🥛

    • @gamingxleon2927
      @gamingxleon2927 Год назад +3

      @@walsmakep6059 arisu victim in physical🗿

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад +1

      @@gamingxleon2927 fr, MFTL+ arisu coming threw 🗣️

  • @milanista5303
    @milanista5303 9 месяцев назад +8

    Horikita mid diff, she deduced kiriyama entire plan during the kiryuin shoplifting case and in y2v10, outmaneuvered koenji and countered the other class leaders during special exam, kiyo after the exam even said she made the best decisions for her situation. She so underrated cuz making ayanokoji smile overshadows her feats, even Arisu is seeing ayanokoji’s style in her way of thinking now.

    • @kiyokouji999
      @kiyokouji999 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, she decuced the plan of Kiriyama,but it was clearly mentioned that Kiriyama intentionally wanted to be caught,
      The survival and dropout special exam, Horikita's strategy against against ichinose was completely seen through by ichinose and Ryuuen, and Ryuuen used this into make Sakayanagi think that there is no cooperation so that he can hunt down Sakayanagi in second half,
      As for koenji, koenji completely saw through Horikita's intentions and answered currently the difficult question, and Sakayanagi also saw through the intention of Horikita easily,
      She is still not close to Ryuuen and Sakayanagi and Ichinose is also catching up to her, Kiriyama beats current Horikita Suzune

    • @milanista5303
      @milanista5303 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@kiyokouji999 1. Kiriyama did not want to be intentionally caught as the mastermind. He wanted the shoplifting to intentionally fail, as his goal was not to destroy Kiryuin but to prevent the SCP election. He has no motive to be fully caught and exposed because it would jeopardize his class A ticket by going against Nagumo's wishes to fight Ayanokoji. Horikita deduced his plan and used her authority to make Kiriyama admit fault in the end and realize it was futile continuing to lie.
      2. Ichinose did read Suzune, but she didn't outsmart her at all. The only reason it played out the way it did is because of Ryuen and Hashimoto. Suzune literally made it so Ryuen will be able to easily eliminate (hence her losing points) multiple people from ichinose. But cause of deal and wanting Arisu to be bottom class, he didn’t use that. Horikita's strategy was not completely nullified.
      Imagine Hashimoto interfered but ryuen didnt care that Arisu placed 4th. Results without the deal would be Ryueen->Suzune->Arisu->Ichinose. Ryuen could’ve gotten first place without Ichinose's help. Her help was just to put Arisu 4th. With multiple students on the brink of elimination, Ryuen had the opportunity to DECIMATE Ichinose's class. But he didn't exploit that because of his own interests. Also, I do not remember Ryueen taking Suzune into account to "use" her as a screen for his plan, or him seeing through her "plan", please provide some proof.
      Ichinose quite literally got lucky due to circumstance. There is no text to suggest that Ichinose anticipated Ryueen would've accepted the deal, even admitting she was on the verge of abandoning the idea of allying with Ryueen. She needed the deal to avoid 4th, he didn’t need the deal to win. Of course, no one could have expected the Ichinose-Ryueen alliance or the betrayal, Kiyo states even Arisu couldn't anticipate it. He's lucky that he had an exploitable opportunity in the form of Hashimoto, but like Hiyori says, his class's lack of fundementals (academics) will sink them in the future. I won't give Ichinose credit for trying to make the deal, because Ryuen is the one who controlled the deal (He even says "You're Lucky.") . There’s no deal without his help. There’s no need of deal without hers. He even rejected her proposal initially.
      3. Koenji got outmaneuvered by Horikita, he did not read her intentions before or he would've anticipated her behavior and countered it. Here are the lines.
      “What’s your intention? I’d like to hear your reasons.” (Questioning her intentions after answering the question)
      “Reasons? Was there a problem?”
      “Oh?”
      Kōenji smiled at Horikita, who looked up at Kōenji without any embarrassment.
      “You’re not out. You don’t have to worry about being eliminated at this point, right?”
      “But if I hadn’t gotten the right answer, I would have been eliminated. What’d you think of that?”
      “But you gave the correct answer.”
      “Hmm, indeed. My apologies, it seems I acted preemptively.” (Realization that he got played)
      “If you understand, could you go back to your seat? From your height, you’re blocking my view of the monitor.”
      Arisu did figure it out but she even admitted this was an impressive feat, to the point where she thought for a moment that Ayanokoji was secretly pulling the strings.

    • @kiyokouji999
      @kiyokouji999 9 месяцев назад

      @@milanista5303 Finally I get to talk with someone about the survival and dropout special exam,
      1, First of all, Ichinose saw through Suzune's strategy, She then proposed Ryuuen with a deal, Ryuuen used Suzune's strategy to deceive Sakayanagi,Think yourself in Sakayanagi's position, You will see that Horikita is making students at the verge of elimination from ichinose's class, Ichinose is mercilessly attacking Ryuuen,She thought that there is thereby no cooperation within classes which was incorrect, Ryuuen made her think that,
      2, Horikita didn't anticipate the collaboration of ichinose and Ryuuen which was her biggest blunder, Imagine Ryuuen didn't care about class A getting last place,
      Then Horikita would be the one who would be in the risk of getting last place, Ichinose gave 9 free points by repeatedly targeting Kei + gave the names of nominations for Suzune to make points, Around 15 free points total, But the difference between class A and class B was mere 6 points, So Horikita was at complete mercy of ichinose in this exam,
      3,You are totally misunderstanding koenjis situation, He clearly said, "Now you did it, Horikita Girl", Then koenji asked the following questions to confirm whether Suzune realised that she didn't need protect his protection point or did she betray her promise, After this small chat, Koenji confirmed that she didn't betray or abandon him , rather she realised her promise, He was convinced, He never got outplayed, Besides, Sakayanagi saw through Horikita's intentions of eliminating koenji to ease up the pressure and didn't attack koenji then,
      Overall, Horikita's strategy was the worst which would have cost her class a heavy price if not everyone's goal was to take down class A

    • @genox633
      @genox633 8 месяцев назад

      i think there is a reason as to why manabu respects kiriyama more then horikita

    • @Josephstudio-iz9sq
      @Josephstudio-iz9sq 6 месяцев назад

      @@genox633it is because she was delusional and tried to follow him
      Which was resolved in 11.5

  • @Bankanux
    @Bankanux Год назад +1

    song?

  • @gammaao
    @gammaao Год назад +2

    I wonder how long it took you to export

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +2

      You have no idea 💀

    • @gammaao
      @gammaao Год назад +1

      @@JayChef__ a 40 second video took me 1 hour so maybe urs took 4 hours?

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      @@gammaao 20 minutes but still tho.
      Makes me miss CC

    • @gammaao
      @gammaao Год назад

      @@JayChef__ 20 MINUTES????

  • @Josephstudio-iz9sq
    @Josephstudio-iz9sq 9 месяцев назад

    Y2v10 edition please 🙏

  • @ggabraf
    @ggabraf Год назад +3

    i feel like kiriyama is fairly rated but horikita is criminally underrated

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +3

      Complete opposite for me.

    • @Shicva2029
      @Shicva2029 Год назад +1

      Nope. Kiriyama just got recognize recently due to his feat in vol9y2. He is the most underrate character of Cote.

  • @Wandering1432
    @Wandering1432 10 месяцев назад +1

    Look at two fodders fighting each other 🗿

  • @Sherr1onicecreamu
    @Sherr1onicecreamu Год назад

    Btw can you also do a Hiyori vs Hashimoto full-scale? They are both Seriously underrated and hashimoto need some redemption from the intellect tourment

    • @nova8198
      @nova8198 Год назад +1

      Hashimoto>>>
      But good video idea

    • @kiyokouji999
      @kiyokouji999 9 месяцев назад

      Hiyori wins, Hashimoto easily takes manipulation and deception, But he loses in intelligence and Outsmarting

  • @ssvager7231
    @ssvager7231 Год назад

    Kiriyama underrated fr fr

  • @JadonF
    @JadonF Год назад

    I’m gonna say this now. Kiriyama bullies as of now. Suzune isn’t ‘her’ yet.
    I’m just waiting for 3rd best girl to reach her full potential😏

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      Ik your top 4 fav Cote girls🗿

    • @JadonF
      @JadonF Год назад

      ⁠​⁠@@walsmakep6059 So who’s the 4th🧐
      I was just gonna make a post on her.😂

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      @@JadonF your too 4 is fuka, ichika, suzune and ibuki.

    • @JadonF
      @JadonF Год назад

      @@walsmakep6059 Valid

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      @@JadonF that's ur top 4 right?

  • @ajjha1118
    @ajjha1118 Год назад +2

    I think that Everyone already know that except suzune every class leader can beat kiriyama everyone would know that.... How the hell is she gonna beat koji like this 😑.

    • @brokenamvs9707
      @brokenamvs9707 Год назад +3

      She can partner up with others and take him down

    • @ajjha1118
      @ajjha1118 Год назад +1

      @@brokenamvs9707 probably otherwise she can't .

    • @Bic-daxc69
      @Bic-daxc69 Год назад

      ​@@brokenamvs9707bro who can she partner up with that can even sniff koji 😭 the only person who could even do something is koenji and that is only in a physical ability test that is the only place he would have a chance to beat koji and even then if koji went all out it is unlikely

    • @ghislainnguema7040
      @ghislainnguema7040 Год назад

      Ichinose, Hosen, Utomiya can't

  • @Josephstudio-iz9sq
    @Josephstudio-iz9sq 6 месяцев назад +4

    Leadership hori easily tbh

  • @DarkKouji
    @DarkKouji Год назад

    Common W

  • @itscharlottehongnotfoundan8853
    @itscharlottehongnotfoundan8853 Год назад +1

    Still Kushida's victim 💀

  • @ggabraf
    @ggabraf Год назад

    (horikita vs cote) where do you think horikita stops in deduction

  • @ritarock5193
    @ritarock5193 6 месяцев назад

    Horikita is positive manipulation 😢

  • @yamez6118
    @yamez6118 Год назад

    Common JayChef W

  • @ТамирланСапаров-л4х

    Kiriyama manipulation slams

  • @DAX-PMFT
    @DAX-PMFT Год назад

    Common Mega W

  • @randomvideosontheinternet1450
    @randomvideosontheinternet1450 Год назад

    Horikita extreme diff

  • @feverzeyad
    @feverzeyad Год назад

    Horikita win very high-extreme diff

  • @Sherr1onicecreamu
    @Sherr1onicecreamu Год назад

    Kiriyama solo……

  • @fix5072
    @fix5072 Год назад +2

    Big W
    Also Kushida >>>>>>

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +1

      🥶🥶

    • @anuamba
      @anuamba Год назад

      SomeONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME Kushida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • @muhammadeyssa23648
    @muhammadeyssa23648 Год назад

    Bro nah I’m sorry but who cares about these fodder battles 💀 Also why aren’t your vids getting recommended anymore 🤔🤷‍♂️

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад +1

      It could be related to my uploading schedule. I’ve been exceptionally busy this week

    • @muhammadeyssa23648
      @muhammadeyssa23648 Год назад

      @@JayChef__ Yeah... After the famous Light v Johan war fr fr nothing’s been going on luckily. Hopefully it stays that way...

    • @JayChef__
      @JayChef__  Год назад

      @@muhammadeyssa23648 Lol fr ngl

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      ​@@muhammadeyssa23648 probably won't stay this way on yt.

    • @walsmakep6059
      @walsmakep6059 Год назад

      Yo Eyssa, you should start making vids.🐧