Depends on wether your in the market for a macbook pro or a macbook air. i think the software is far to restrictive and poorly thought out to function as a true pro product. It would make a nice alternative to the air or other note books but price does not line up.
I wish I could go iPad only, I LOVE the device. But as it stands, when traveling with iPad only I inevitably run into scenarios where I wish I had my Macbook, and thus, unfortunately, the iPad remains a terrific media consumption machine with some practical use, while the Macbook is still the device I need. Not to mention the battery life that actually tips the scales even further in favor of the Macbook when it comes to usability “on the road”.
Same here, I have the MBP 14" M1 Pro, and just upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro to the M4 11" one. They sometimes overlap, but usually not. The iPad is my main consumption and travel computer, the MBP is for home and when I need a full fat computer. If I only could have one, I'd go with the Macbook Pro for sure.
That’s all good and well if you can afford it. “Problem” is, I am traveling a lot for extended periods of time, and I love to take my iPad only. However, I’ll inevitably run into a situation where I wish I had brought my Macbook. Same can’t be said the other way round: content in bed can be consumed on the phone, photos can be edited on and shared from the phone, and you have a computer that can definitely do everything for you that a computer can be asked to do.
I love them both because I have them both. They compliment each other well but ipad hasn't reached the point of replacing a laptop yet due to the software.
apple is trying too hard to convince people into believing that it actually could ever since they started to put m chips with those fancy features like side car and universal control on to those ipads and many fell for it as well thanks to their genius marketing but in the end they realise iPad is just an iPhone with large screens as its always been .
IMO, if you’re just a casual user, get the iPad. To me it’s more versatile. If you’re more of a power user, get the MacBook. I basically fall into that casual user category. I have a 2018 12.9 inch iPad Pro. All I use a iPad/MacBook for is content consumption and light graphics. When I say light graphics, I mean very light. I use Canva lol. In the rare occasion I edit a video, I use iMovie. And truth be told I could get away with a 10th gen iPad or iPad Air but I like the bigger screen for content consumption.
nah ipad mini's display suck to be honest I have them as well also that base 64gb storage option isn't good enough either it fills fast within couple of weeks of use
Back in 2018, I wanted a laptop and thought it would be a great idea to get the iPad Pro 12.9”. But it never could fully give me the laptop experience. So when my iMac died this year, I got the MacBook Pro M3 Pro to replace it. Now I have a laptop when needed, but I use it mostly as a desktop. Loving it. A side note that I haven’t heard anyone address in on RUclips is the technology stress injuries on the hand that can occur with too much use of phones and tablets it all the shipping and such. Great video. Thank you for your insight.
I have a MacBook Air and just treated myself to the iPad Pro M4 11”. I’ve not opened my MacBook much since. For me the iPad is perfect; it’s compact and lightweight. I can use it for uni (essays/assignments, reading ebooks, reading and highlighting journal papers/pdf’s, downloading lectures for annotation etc) without the need to hulk around a backpack of books. I can also watch movies, Netflix, RUclips, play games, general internet surfacing and also use for hobby artwork. For me and my needs, it’s great and I’m super happy with my purchase. I’m not going to get rid of my MacBook, because I do love it but moving forward will use that only at my desk, with the iPad being used whilst on the go. I guess the only thing is price … it’s an expensive piece of tech, especially when you factor in the keyboard and pencil but nonetheless, I’m really enjoying using it.
dude but the problem is apple doesnt have to market it as desktop replacement its more of a device for content consumption just as you said but putting m chips onto it complicates things and tempts people into thinking that it could do most of what mackbook does . also I feel introducing m4 by skipping m3 shows apple is too desperate to increase its shrinking market share and nothing more . if you give me oled display on the base model 10th gen iPad i'll pretty much buy them compared to any other option
I have the M4 13 inch iPad Pro as my only device and use it for everything including work having switched from a 16 inch Macbook Pro and I absolutely love it. I’ve really got used to using Apps on the iPad including RDP to a windows environment for coding and nowadays when i switch back to the Mac I feel uncomfortable. The main things I prefer about the iPad are - cellular I travel a lot and would be lost without this - Pencil for drawing process flow diagrams - the rear camera for sharing my onsite work environment with colleagues when I am not sharing my screen - portability I know the Macbook Air is as light as an iPad but its not quite as small especially when I carry the iPad for emergencies only without the magic Keyboard. It’s not for everyone and my partner didnt like it at all and has just bought a MB Air 13 and loves that but for now I love my iPad and hopefully even more after WWDC
but there need to be far too many work around or adjustments for iPad into give laptop like experience which is something we shouldn't be doing for the money that we are paying for so if not for display I'll say any iPad could do what this newer one does and I don't know why on earth someone would have 16 inch pro for doing light tasks like what you've mentioned maybe other than probably for that big mini-led display . wwdc always disappoints when it comes to introducing new software feature especially for iPad ,apple always wants us to be like bunny running after carrot handing over its head
@@sameersheriff7078 I had the iPad Pro M2 so have nailed all of the workarounds for my workflows to a point where it would take me a while to learn how to go back to a Mac. Took me a while to find the productivity apps I needed but I was happy to put the effort in I understand not many people would, like my partner. People complain about the Files app whereas I have all my folders in Onedrive and Dropbox and have zero issue. The only annoyance is if I have an excel spreadsheet open and click on another excel file it closes the first .. opening a second file is clunky. That said it’s definitely not for everyone and I would love Apple to make some improvements in June.
For those fortunate enough to be able to afford both, I would highly recommend considering the Mac mini for home and iPad Air or Pro for on-the-go. After multiple Apple Store visits and watching a ton of videos, the 13 inch iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard turned out to be my preference for on-the-go. If you already have a decent monitor and keyboard at home, the Mac mini can save you several hundred dollars when compared to a similarly spec'ed MacBook Air or especially a MacBook Pro. This has turned out the be the ultimate combo for me. If I could only have one device, then I agree a MacBook would be the best choice.
I’m an average user and I tried fully using the iPad Air 5 as an overall Laptop replacement with the magic keyboard after my MacBook Pro 2015 was sold and I couldn’t …… I would use it for productivity, scheduling, emails, note taking, ofc media consumption etc… There were minor little issues here and there that made me go off at times, such as I couldn’t even properly renew my Drivers defense course online, yet my brothers $200 laptop did it with flying colors. I returned the Magic Keyboard, kept my iPad Air 5 and went into the best buy store right after and bought the MacBook Air m1, no complaints. My final thoughts, the iPad is more of an assist to any laptop (doesn’t have to necessarily be a MacBook but anyone ofc would prefer a MacBook if they had to pick a laptop to lead the way). Should macOS be installed in the iPad? Definitely not, iPadOS just needs to further grow to certain degree.
OMG, I so agree with the incredible annoyance of some websites simply not working on the iPad Safari browser. Also, the MacBook Air M1 is insanely good value, I guess even more so in the US with the crazy discounts - I used it for several years in its standard 8GB/256GB config, and while I had to wipe it twice, I otherwise had no complaints at all.
@@wolfgangsfavourites right? Even if you use other web browser apps even the ones with flash supposedly installed it’s all still the same thing. Also, that is the same exact unit I have in regards to the MacBook Air M1 in space grey, I got it October 2023 when it was on sale for $750 and it works like a charm…
I have to admit that I ordered the 11" ipad pro with 1 TB, nano- textured glass and cellular connection and spent a bunch of money on it....then I went in to an apple store and tried it out with the magic keyboard and the apple pencil and ordered those things too. I also ended up switching from the black to the silver version after seeing them in person. As soon as you add the nano-textured glass the delivery times get pushed way out and so I'm not receiving mine for a few more weeks. Was this too much to spend? Absolutely. Do I need the nano-texture and the 1TB of storage? Probably not. I'm still pretty happy that I ordered the higher spec version and can't wait to get mine. I agree with you that there is some promise with this tech.
Another quality, engaging and interesting video. My daughter is an illustrator and uses her iPad for creating her art. I can see the M4 iPad being on her wish list. She will never ask, it not her way, but I feel a big special Christmas present being delivered early
if not for display then even a base level iPad could do most of what this m4 one could !!! may be that new pro pencil may not be supported though which could make few difference but don't think so its worth the price if that matters to you
@@sameersheriff7078 Good point. If you don’t need massive processor power and a display that although better is it really that noticeable for most uses. Even artists ?
I got the iPad Pro 13” with 1TB storage. I also picked-up an Apple Smart Keyboard and the Apple Pencil Pro. I’ve had it almost 10 days and could not be happier with this iPad. I’ve almost every iPad since the first one. Did I need this? Probably not. Is it worth it? Impossible to answer. I bought the first Macintosh in 1984 and for the time was it ‘too expensive’ for a niche market. Sure was. A small handful of software titles but the experience of this box that glowed on the top your desk lit the creative side of enough users that the Macintosh got better and then worse before it got better again. I purchased this device at Best Buy with 24-month interest free package with a 60-day no-question return. WWDC is in 10 days. If iOS 18 doesn’t trip the light fantastic for me then there will be an iPad Pro 13”, 1TB available with their ‘open box discount’ 🕉
I have an M1 iPad Pro and an M1 MacBook Pro. I definitely prefer iPadOS for any casual things. RUclips, Twitch, social media, all have apps that work fantastically. On the MacBook, you’re forced to use a web browser and none of these things work nearly as well in a browser. I have the MacBook for video editing and for that it’s fantastic. I’m don’t know enough about how to maximize MacOS to like it more than the iPad for many things I do. Hope the comment helps the algorithm and the channel, Mark. Have a great one!
Depends on your key app/software. If Procreate, M4 iPad Pro. I need the full CaptureOne on the go, hence MacbookAir, only 1.2kg, M2 24GB/2TB, and a light iPad Air M1. Easy.
Recently bought a new M3 MacBook, I briefly considered upgrading to the new IPad but as I still have a mountain of cds to upload to the cloud, it was an easy decision. I might upgrade my iPad mini if it gets an upgrade soon.
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Mac Mini M2 Pro for production with a iPad Pro M2 for mobility. You can share the same keyboard (MX Keys Mini and mouse). If you want to choose just one of the of then, MacBook Air M3
I already own the 16 inch MacBook Pro with the M3 pro chip and the iPad mini 6 I use them for editing my photos. I am looking at the 13 inch M4 2Tb iPad Pro but the cost mounts up. Add my iPhone 15 Pro and Apple Watch Series 10. it’s a good few thousand and a lot of photography work to recoup that expense.
I currently use a Windows laptop as my daily driver, so I'm not planning to switch to a Macbook at the moment. However, I recently transitioned to the Apple ecosystem and got myself an iPad Pro 13 for its screen size and future-proofing. Looking ahead, I hope that the iPad 18 will support coding IDEs and have a more robust file system.
IDEs are such a weak area of iPad OS so far, in my opinion, and I struggle to see how that can change unless virtualisation of Mac OS is introduced. There are some great apps, like Transmit, Prompt, Textastic, Working Copy, but I have always found any serious coding work (other than Shortcuts, which I do believe is "serious coding work" in its own right even though obviously very limited) so very, very much easier on the Mac and so many things simply are not possible on iPad.
@@wolfgangsfavourites at least i want ipad to be able to screen macmini or any other mac for actually making it a mac replacement and that apple isn't cannibalizing sales of any of its product . i currently use MacBook and macmini by share screen so such feature in iPad would be welcome move
Hello Mark ooops i have a M1 Pro 16” MacBook Pro , and I’ve just sold 2 i pad pros one 12.9 M1, and 11” M2 . And selling cash and vouchers paid for New 13”i pad pro 512gb Magic Keyboard and pencil pro 😮 but i love them both . It’s like a sister and brother and i love them
Both are great devices in their own right and I'm lucky enough to have both a 14" M3 Pro MBP and a base m4 iPad Pro 11". I honestly can't decide which I like better. It's still the honeymoon phase with the new iPad, but it's become my out the door daily and my evening content consumption/gaming device. The MBP is still used for heavy lifting like photo and video editing and as my desk work device. Still limitations with the iPad like contact and mail management that require the MBP, just to name two. I hope your right Mark and Apple does the iPad right at WWDC 🤞🏻
Interesting. Mail is not something, where I notice a big difference. And as to reasonably straightforward video editing I quite like LumaFusion, even prefer it in some ways over Final Cut Pro for iPad. And yet, ultimately, it is Premiere Pro on the Mac that I chose for particularly complex work. Learning the keyboard shortcuts for Stage Manager and revisiting its feature enhancements that came with iPad OS 17 made me get more out of the iPad lately. Focus Modes also are something I have recently been looking more into - they play to the strengths of the iPad in making me concentrate on one job at a time, Cal Newport style. But I agree with you regarding WWDC - iPad OS can still get so very, very much better, especially in its "pro" uses...
@@wolfgangsfavourites I'm a territory sales manger for a large corp. I have multiple accounts who have multiple contacts. The frustration with iPadOS is I can't simply create and select a list of contacts from my main contact list and send the list an email. It's a slow painful process on the iPad and very quick and easy one the MBP. I also use Smart Mailboxes on the MBP to separate emails by set criteria. That function doesn't port over to Mail on the iPad and doesn't have a native equivalent feature either. My photo and video editing is a hobby and not a profession.
Ah, that makes perfect sense. I can see that my email needs are very straightforward compared to yours. That is the main problem with the iPad, I find: the moment your needs are even slightly more complex, the system (software) has not got enough flexibility to accommodate you 🙁
@@wolfgangsfavourites I remain hopeful that Apple will give the iPadOS the attention it deserves ! The iPad is a brilliant piece of hardware and deserves better software!
Ok my man.. I have the M4 iPad Pro with nano texture and now the M4 MacBook Pro came out now. Should I trade in my M3 MacBook Pro or keep the older version? So confusing. I use my M4 iPad Pro every day but not my MacBook Pro as much. Just like the reasons you stated in this video. Cheers
Great summary of what is good about each platform using up-to-date machine choices. I particularly agree with Mark‘s points about multiple monitors and Stage Manager. The lack of SD-card slot on the iPad does not bother me at all - the rare occasions I need to load data from SD-cards, I am perfectly happy to use the dongle. I use several iPads and Macbooks every day and would not want to miss either platform (none of them the latest generation). If I had to choose only one, it would have to be the Mac, as I simply am faster with writing reports, uploading them, running a fairly complex AppleScript I wrote. But I would very much miss the iPads and how I use them for highlighting texts with the pencil and for easy content consumption on the mini. If and when Apple brings touch AND pencils (!!!) to the Mac and they keep getting lighter, I will eventually probably phase out my iPads, but until then, I feel I don‘t need to choose. Most important point for people who are about to buy one or the other: iPads effectively are MUCH more expensive if you need to add (original Apple) accessories. Great video as always - thank you, Mark!
The only issue with iPad is the os, give it macOS and slap mobile gui you can switch out of, maybe give it 1 more usbc port. Can attach peripherals easily to control as is wirelessly but charge, storage device, and monitors it would be nice for extra.
I’ve used macOS since 2007 and it does need some polish imo. The Finder has some annoying quirks with the cursor displaying the wrong icon and column view not scaling to fit content without you having to set it. The way you scale the UI is fairly weak. You’ll set size settings in Finder that don’t come across to open and close dialogues. Many of these things didn’t both me until my vision worsened as I’ve aged. Still the best OS for me but I’d love Apple to do a Snow Leopard release and finally iron out some of these issues that have plagued the OS for years.
I use my Mac desktop for work. It does multitasking far more competently when I need to simultaenously wrk with documents, spreadsheets and grabbing stuff from email. My iPad I use for music production which it's excellent at. And at the same time useful to do any of the individual tasks above at a pinch. Both machines are M1 era and for now at least I'm not seeing any need to upgrade. Perhaps iPadOS 18 will change that.
The thing with developers is that they CAN create apps with nearly all the functionality of their MacOS versions. The reason many don’t is because they choose not to do so. Maybe they don’t take iPadOS that seriously as a viable system or perhaps they feel it wouldn’t financially feasible. Perhaps Apple can step in and create a kit that can allow them to create Mac-like apps for iPadOS, especially if they have no plans on bringing MacOS to the iPads.
For me, the iPad is a great personal work device. I already have a laptop from my corporate job and it doesn’t make sense in my brain to get another laptop so getting an iPad to fill all my personal computing needs works out great.
I can totally see how an iPad can work as the sole computer for many people and many scenarios. I could make it work for me, but I am glad I don't need to. I also think that younger generations are more likely to be motivated to make iPads work for them - I was almost middle-aged already by the time the iPad was introduced. I did love and use reversible Tablet ThinkPads by IBM for several years before the introduction of the iPad, but they were particularly attractive exactly because they were reversible, but absolutely not "best of both worlds" as the simplicity of iPad OS most definitely was not achieved by Windows (or Linux, which is what I mainly used back then)...
@@wolfgangsfavourites maybe for documentation and spreadsheets or maybe some photo and video editing but not anything other than that . files and window management is too cumbersome to be able to even consider using it in place of a laptop
I find this is a strange comparison. The M4 iPad Pro (in compute terms) is much more in line with the M3 Macbook Air. It's also very comparable with the Air in size and weight, when you factor in the keyboard. The Macbook Pro is bigger, heavier, it has a fan, and you've got access to the M3 Pro, M3 Max chips. A very different beast. If you want to do computery things, the M3 Air is far cheaper, has better battery life, form factor, and software. The iPad has a much much better display, but the apps and OS are not as well suited to 'computery' tasks. However if you also will spend a lot of time using it as, well, an iPad, clearly it knocks the spots off the laptop in that regard. The 1000 nit display is fantastic when using this outside on a sunny day - if you want do that, it's really worth considering. Hardware wise, iPad Pro is quite capable of replacing my Macbook Air and be the perfect all-in-one, but the reality is it's hampered by the OS and apps, and it's not a viable laptop replacement. If I could only have only one, I'd take the Air in a heartbeat, because it is far more capable as a computing device. Maybe buy a super cheap iPad to go with it.
one thing we are forgetting here is the ability of Ipad using the cellular to connect you to the world vs the mac. We do not have the wifi at work, nor I lik eusing the hotspot thats limited; goes to show its superiority.
I sold my MacBook Pro M1 Pro 14inch as for my use purposes wasn’t using it. It had 30 cycle charges baring in mind when I got it 2021 brand new it already had 6 cycles. I got the 11inch M4 Pro 256GB Silver with Apple Pencil Pro and used it everyday for my tasks, mid way through this video I ordered the Magic Keyboard 😂
Still a mac person but I get the feeling the ONLY thing holding back the ipad is apple. They COULD allow it to connect to multiple screens and allow all the cross application stuff you need to turn the ipad into a valid laptop replacement for most people, but then they paint themselves into a corner where the ipad IS a valid laptop and how do they sell laptops when the "ipad as a laptop" is no longer a joke? Its not the hardware that stop that.
I dunno why they don’t move towards that approach. If an external monitor is connected, enable macOS. Put it behind an initial 200$ paywall, that’s fine.
I'd like to know this too. @MarkEllisReviews, or anyone, please can you answer this question, how long iPads get iOS and Security updates for? Thanks in advance.
I wanted to get my mum a new iPad for consuming media, was considering the new Air or even the 10th gen iPad but after looking at the price and features went for a USB 2021 M1 iPad Pro 11 inch. This cost is about have that of the M4 iPad Pro which starts from $1699 here in Australia. The used M1 version is $900 from a reputable reseller in like new condition. This will be more than enough for my mum replacing here old original 3rd or 4th gen iPad.
Ever since i bought the ipad pro m2, 11 inch i have not touched my macbook. This nifty little machine does everything i need wich is photo editing, writing, some youtube/other streaming service whatever. If i would not need the ability to edit texts files for studying etc i would not even have a computer, i could do with my iphone.
LOL, take home: do I want to spend $4000 on Apple Vision to get a large display for my MacBook Pro, or should I just move it closer to my eyes? I've got a 2019 iPad Pro, and I don't use it much. Now with my Max, I have a nice display for HDR video. The OS is what makes me not use my current iPad nor want me to upgrade (they only use I could think for it is watching video on a plane).
Interesting video. I'm looking for a MacBook Air M1 replacement at some point. As a photographer I use a Mac Studio hooked up to a professional monitor. My requirement is for something to use on trips and when teaching photography classes. The iPadPro is very svelte until... you add the Magic Keyboard. Then the weight difference to a MacBook Air is negligible. There's a lot to like about the iPadPro. Used to have a Surface. I loved the concept but the hardware was lacking. The iPadPro does seem a remarkable device. BTW, I use Lightroom Classic most of the time, occasionally Lightroom.
The iPad Pro 13" M4 (10CPU, 10GPU) with a 1TB storage, Magic Keyboard, Apple Pencil Pro, and 2 years AppleCare+ will set you back $2,646. On the other hand, the 14" MacBook Pro with an M3 Pro chip (11 CPUs and 14 GPUs), 18GB of RAM, 1TB SSD, and 3 years AppleCare+ comes in at $2,478. Oh fo sho, it's not an iPad, but personally, I'd go for the 14" MBP M3 Pro any day. Just saying! 🤭 Although, I won’t get another MBP to ditch my loving 16” MBP M3 Pro or another iPad while my M2 IPad Pro sitting idle most of the time.
I so agree on your value-for-money statement. Each to their own, for sure, but while I have both, I do think MacBooks generally are far better value for money to me.
@@andyH_England but the display lets it down though not until now we at least have 11ínch iPad having top of the line display. if apple announce even a base iPad with either mini-led or oled display no one would bother about pro
but 11inch one isn't that expensive even after adding cellular and apple care if you exclude keyboard then it servers the purpose of what iPad does which is being a content consuming device . apple trying too hard into convincing people into buying iPad as laptop replacement whereas in reality it not anywhere near it especially the os
It’s a false dichotomy because they are fundamentally different devices. So, for example, comparing IO is as silly as saying, ‘Well, the MBP is better because it comes with a keyboard,’ or, ‘the iPad is better because it has a touch interface.’ Neither of which are meaningful statements - all you are doing is restating what the device *is*. So, from a pro perspective, it comes down to ‘do you need a touch screen device’. Unfortunately, if the answer to that is, ‘yes,’ then you’ll likely need both. And that is down to the half-baked iPadOS. Something which Apple is not in a hurry to fix - likely because they want pros to continue to buy both.
That makes no sense. I can do everything on my iPad Pro M4 that I can do on my MacBook only faster on the iPad Pro M4. If I want a desktop computer, then get a Mac Mini or Mac Studio. If I want a portable computer then get iPad Pro M4 ... the MacBook lives in never never land, does neither well.
well, it all comes down to what your needs are. i don’t own a MacBook because i don’t need it. i do basic stuff like surf the internet, watch videos, movies and check email. the new iPad Pro is overkill for that too, BUT…..120hz and OLED….those are the things i enjoy visually. anyway, i digress….lol. it lol comes down to your workflow and usage….i would seriously recommend an iPad Air M2 or even the M2 iPad Pros….think those would suffice for anyone. i’m really hoping that Apple unleashes the iPad with a more advanced version of iPadOS at WWDC.
You sir are a video machine! Yet another throughly enjoyable video, down to earth, engaging, and understandable. The accent is a plus too, lol. I’ve been an iPad Pro user since the first Pro came out and now the owner of the M4 version. The trick in my arena is to start saving once you purchase the previous iPad Pro so that selling off you last born or remortgaging your house isn’t needed. I do agree though that needs to unleash the software so that the iPad Pro can come into its own position in the lineup. One shall see in 2 weeks! Here’s hoping….
iPad Pro M4. It replaces my old intel macbook pro. For two reasons being, an ipad so much versatile and the new horizontally placed camera. I do nothing and a lot on it.
I still have a 12.9” M1 iPad Pro with cellular. It’s now 3 years old. I need a MacBook Pro. Preferably a 16” for some gaming with parallels and learning to code. Unless iPad OS 18 is really good, I don’t see upgrading.
Well, I bought the 13” M4 with 1tb storage and the new Apple Magic Keyboard on July 5. Sold the old one with the Magic Keyboard for $600. Now trying to get money together for a 16” M3.
Your excellent video just proves what has been said all along they fit into different categories and are designed to be complimentary and not an either or choice.
Using iPad Pro and Mac Studio and Windows PCs, I must say that MacOS is not very intuitive, having very awkward menus, always processes,,crashing (XCP service) and a very long startup time, compared to Windows. But MacOS runs stable at all. 😅 Who is able to install macOS to an Ipad?
Hello Mark, I am a 12 year old boy ho is going to high school and my parents gave me a budget of about 1500€ and I would like to hear your oppinion about what i should get. We use Lenovo Laptops at School. I was thinking about getting the Ipad Pro M4 or the Mac mini with an oled samsung screen.
Hey! Depends on a fair few factors, but if you don't need the traditional functionality offered by a Mac, the M4 iPad Pro would do you very well - for a very long time 😉
apple is trying too hard these days in order to have a lead in benchmarks compared to its competion and its the reason why they released 3 varients of m chips over past 2years ever since snap dragon announced its new arm based chips and apple users previously never cared about those in the past but bought it simply for macos and its ecosystem so no need to wait or rush into buying new macs or iPad if you have anything with m chips in it as just a few second faster than previous one isn't worthy enough for an upgrade . m4 max or m5 ultra wont make a change as it previously did like from the jump from intel to apple silicon had before that kind of generartional leap happened every 7-8 years or so
I still think it dubious Apple never added touch screens to macbook, with the obvious intent to direct you to buy both devices. I'm not hating on Apple, I own many of their products.
your not alone which i can very well guarantee. apple isn't they way it once used to be , now its all about benchmarks and new chip sizes year by year in order to trick people into buying them for the sake of increasing their falling market cap . now that their top designers and scientist already jumped ship to make snap dragon chips its looking like a slippery slop for apple going forward with lack of innovation at sight especially in terms of ai then only reason for people to buy apple would be for its ecosystem and blue bubbles even for that its facing lot of scrutiny with several law suits in place so no one would wanna buy if it comes either cool new ai feature in non apple products or that same old ecosystem that usually holds people from buying other devices
@@wolfgangsfavourites until another disappointing event that awaits us . better to keep our hopes low in order to not be disappointed which is one thing that most of us have learned over the years without any doubt .
Apple could make a super product, a touch screen Microsoft surface type product, but they don’t. Why? Because they want to sell you as many products as possible. I’m guilty I own a bunch of them. And love if! The iPad Pro m4 is in a league of its own though. The form factor and display are amazing. I’ve had it for a week and have barely touched my MBP.
stage manager on iPad Pro... nowhere near a Mac, mostly cause of the shitty mouse. its slow, its weird...its apple intentional to make you hit your head against the wall. if the mouse experience was better, I d say would be a great option to have an iPad only. but for now u need a Mac too. got an iPad Pro m2 12.9 and I later bought a Mac Studio M2 Max. iPad now is just a nighttime bedside Netflix device. or a 2 day trip "laptop".
The file management on the iPad is substandard and glitchy. Not pro at all. The MacBook wins all the way, as you can also run other operating systems on it as well, which you cannot do with the iPad, so the iPad is not very good for Dev.
iPadOS runs a sandboxed app regime, so having a file manager like Windows or MacOS is impossible. You have to change your perception of how file sharing works, which can be tricky for some.
@@sameersheriff7078 many people own an Android tablet and a Windows laptop. These sensible people know that the best solution is one of each rather than terrible Windows tablet mode. I think people should understand that sometimes just because you can make one device out of two products, it isn't necessarily the right thing to do. With an iPad and a MacBook I believe having one of each is a sensible, productive and efficient solution.
@@andyH_England I think not having a simple progress bar when transferring a file in iPadOS is not very good at all. It's not perception, it's reality. And the list goes on!
It's simple. Apple wants you to buy both. They gimp the i pad so the performance is irrelevant. If you have a Mac, you don't need the i pad unless you need the pen. If you have the i pad, you will always need a Mac if you do any professional work. Don't be misled. Apple will never fix this, or it would be fixed by now.
For the money, any comparable gen MBA or MBP... the software is my biggest gripe for the price of the new iPad Pros and it's pathetic Apple is even selling 60hz screens on any of the M series chip iPads in mid-2024.
The bottom line is neither should win. Everyone is different. Just recently I’ve been watching RUclips reviews by non tech people. Many of them make fun of tech RUclipsrs and call them “tech bros” where the consensus is that tech RUclipsrs are stuck in their own silo and have no idea what others want. They care nothing for specs or benchmarks. They care nothing for macOS, File apps, or Terminal. They work without external monitors and often don’t use a Magic Keyboard or any physical keyboard at all. To them, simplicity is king and grafting things like Stage Manager only gunks things up. Apple recognized that and hid the feature. Basically there are many different kinds of users for which the iPad will work best for some while the Mac will work best for others. It’s essentially asking whether apples or oranges are better. The non-tech community takes the iPad for what it is while the tech RUclipsrs obsesses on what the iPad isn’t. For my career (now retired), neither a Mac nor an iPad would have worked out for what I needed since none of the apps I needed existed on those platforms. Professionally, I’d have said none of the above. Privately, I use the iPad 90% of the time because it is the ultimate in ultra portability. Laptops are just too cumbersome.
Give Apple is the dominant force in tablet computing with the iPad, why don't they give us a touch enabled version of Mac OS to run on it? I know it would cannibalise their laptop line, but they would have an unassailable lead in mobile computing. They don't have this advantage with their traditional laptops.
Macbook all the way. Fun though the iPad is for content consumption I tear my hair out at the awful file manager, lack of connectivity and laughable window management software. I think my money would be better spent just getting a Macbook Air for less money (factoring in that iPad keyboard) and consuming content with fully featured apps as well as being able to do everything else you can do on MacOS that you can't do on iPad OS. As the owner of the last of the A series iPad Pro they'd have to do a proper full overhaul of the OS to attract me to buy a another one. The hardware's amazing, the software environment has not developed to support and leverage it
The real answer is, they both win, while I will say the iPad doesn’t need Mac OS is does need at best something like Samsung Dex and stage manager isn’t it. It also needs a revamped file management system because it is complete nerve racking garbage.The iPad is a companion tool to the Mac always will be. For some professions the iPad is a big yes because you cannot create art/ digital art on the Mac simply because Apple unlike some windows based offerings have 2 in 1 doesnt allow for this. Apple could very well do this but they don’t because they want you to buy both of their products. It may not be nice for the customer but it’s good for their business and the sales show it. This is why I have both. I do my creative design and music and everything in that category on the iPad and use the Mac for everything else etc, edits and what not. But in a pinch while on travel or on the go I can use just the iPad. But let’s be real they are both pretty thin and can both easily go into my day bag. People over exaggerate how heavy and cumbersome the MacBook is. Alas I still have a windows high end pc because well until devs make gaming a priority on Mac then I’ll always have a pc and a ps5. Albeit I use my steam deck Oled on the go. Cheers for another great video.
For probably 90% of people a tablet is all the computer you need. Internet, watching/listening to media. So, if you need a computer for work or serious hobby creation, Macbook. Otherwise, get the best tablet you can afford.
This is a funny question. In 1996, I picked-up my first Apple desktop computer. Sorry Tim Cook, but the "hub" of my Apple life is not an android phone or an iPhone, but instead an Apple desktop system. Therefore, I would only buy an Apple laptop if, I needed to be able to carry and, make changes to my work product with clients away from both my office and my home. Also, I would only buy an iPad Pro model if, I needed to use some professional applications like Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro. Since neither of these apply to me, I only own a "space gray" trash can size Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD desktop paired with an Apple 27-inch Cinema LED (none thunderbolt) display; and a basic iPad 9th generation 256GB model with the cell data option paired with a Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard (smile...smile).
It’s not a mac or a iPad its both they are different devices, not once have Apple said buy this iPad you wont need a Mac, the only people that are doing that are reviewers
apple for many reasons is losing its way !!! previously it was about simplicity, built quality ,software integration along with user experience and never about performance or benchmarks at all that pulled many people into buying including me but now its about race to achieve maximum benchmarks over the competition and confusing people into choosing what exactly to buy and leave any kind of actual innovation behind is too disappointing .its a matter of time before once a great company producing our favourite products gets replaced or surpassed by newcomers in the future other than android like tesla for example if start entering mobile market no one would show their brand loyalty but instead would jump right away if focuses on innovation and better overall experience unlike apple
It's easy, very easy. Just buy both a MacBook and an iPad. They do not need to be the most expensive of each device, but having both means no compromise and the best of both worlds. I know creators push this "versus" agenda, but as Apple says, they are complementary, not meant to compete, as that would be a dumb business model.
The fact that you need both is already the biggest compromise ever. You want to developp photo on a tablet? So with Capture One Pro or not a bogged down version of Lightroom so that you could pinch and zoom or scroll with fingers, draw mask, comfortably on the couch or bed with screen close to you? Nope, Apple does not allow that. You want to browse the web, watch Netflix in tablet mode when travelling with your Mac? Nope. You want to take quick annotation on a screenshot you made or signed a document with your Mac? Nope... I mean, the very fact of needing 2 different devices kill the argument that it would be better. I do not know how such a twisted marketing could really got ingrained in some people's mind.
if you wanna buy both at reasonable price then you must compromise either on display quality or performance so its easier said than done . apple never gives you what you actually want unless you buy every last one of their product apple would make you feel that your always missing out on something .
@@sameersheriff7078 yeah I'm not saying it's cheap. If you buy the pro versions of both. But most people know this and the target audience for the pro devices are people with high disposable incomes.
The hardest thing about buying the iPad Air for most of the people that choose the iPad Pro over it, is knowing that they would be buying a less powerful device. People don’t like that, and Apple know it. The use cases for the iPad Pro over the iPad Air are so niche and limited. It’s sad that the iPad lineup still remains a confusing and counterintuitive one in 2024, albeit less so than last year. The “Air” model is heavier than the Pro. The pencil is thicker than the Pro. Steve Jobs wouldn’t have ever let that happen, and at this point probably would have given the green light to iPads at least being able to run desktop level productivity apps by now. Apple desperately need to properly tell us what the iPad truly is. Is it a pro productivity device? If so, it is more software limited than it has ever been. Or is it a leisure device? If so, it’s hardware is way overpowered for 99% of people and it’s way too expensive to truly justify. The best iPad, in my view, is still the iPad mini. You want productivity, MacBook is the only option.
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Are you a Mac or iPad kinda person?
IPad - but I like the iMac line as well. The Macbooks are boring for me - I’m just not a laptop guy
iPad
Depends on wether your in the market for a macbook pro or a macbook air. i think the software is far to restrictive and poorly thought out to function as a true pro product. It would make a nice alternative to the air or other note books but price does not line up.
I wish I could go iPad only, I LOVE the device. But as it stands, when traveling with iPad only I inevitably run into scenarios where I wish I had my Macbook, and thus, unfortunately, the iPad remains a terrific media consumption machine with some practical use, while the Macbook is still the device I need. Not to mention the battery life that actually tips the scales even further in favor of the Macbook when it comes to usability “on the road”.
Work=Mac, streaming=iPad
‘Reality vs promise’ is a great way to summarise the differences! Loved this one sir.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Solved the problem of which one: I got both. Love ‘em both as well.
but many couldnt afford to get both so that's when the problem arise
Same here, I have the MBP 14" M1 Pro, and just upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro to the M4 11" one. They sometimes overlap, but usually not. The iPad is my main consumption and travel computer, the MBP is for home and when I need a full fat computer. If I only could have one, I'd go with the Macbook Pro for sure.
That’s all good and well if you can afford it. “Problem” is, I am traveling a lot for extended periods of time, and I love to take my iPad only. However, I’ll inevitably run into a situation where I wish I had brought my Macbook. Same can’t be said the other way round: content in bed can be consumed on the phone, photos can be edited on and shared from the phone, and you have a computer that can definitely do everything for you that a computer can be asked to do.
I would get a Mac desktop and an iPad Pro
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Same here! I love both together
I love them both because I have them both. They compliment each other well but ipad hasn't reached the point of replacing a laptop yet due to the software.
apple is trying too hard to convince people into believing that it actually could ever since they started to put m chips with those fancy features like side car and universal control on to those ipads and many fell for it as well thanks to their genius marketing but in the end they realise iPad is just an iPhone with large screens as its always been .
IMO, if you’re just a casual user, get the iPad. To me it’s more versatile. If you’re more of a power user, get the MacBook. I basically fall into that casual user category. I have a 2018 12.9 inch iPad Pro. All I use a iPad/MacBook for is content consumption and light graphics. When I say light graphics, I mean very light. I use Canva lol. In the rare occasion I edit a video, I use iMovie. And truth be told I could get away with a 10th gen iPad or iPad Air but I like the bigger screen for content consumption.
I just got an M3 MBP and love it. Im still very happy with my ipad mini tho.
MBP and iPad mini - best combo :)
nah ipad mini's display suck to be honest I have them as well also that base 64gb storage option isn't good enough either it fills fast within couple of weeks of use
@@sameersheriff7078 Ive been happy with mine since it came out and mine hasnt filled up - I have the 64 gb model.
Back in 2018, I wanted a laptop and thought it would be a great idea to get the iPad Pro 12.9”. But it never could fully give me the laptop experience. So when my iMac died this year, I got the MacBook Pro M3 Pro to replace it. Now I have a laptop when needed, but I use it mostly as a desktop. Loving it. A side note that I haven’t heard anyone address in on RUclips is the technology stress injuries on the hand that can occur with too much use of phones and tablets it all the shipping and such. Great video. Thank you for your insight.
I have a MacBook Air and just treated myself to the iPad Pro M4 11”. I’ve not opened my MacBook much since. For me the iPad is perfect; it’s compact and lightweight. I can use it for uni (essays/assignments, reading ebooks, reading and highlighting journal papers/pdf’s, downloading lectures for annotation etc) without the need to hulk around a backpack of books. I can also watch movies, Netflix, RUclips, play games, general internet surfacing and also use for hobby artwork. For me and my needs, it’s great and I’m super happy with my purchase. I’m not going to get rid of my MacBook, because I do love it but moving forward will use that only at my desk, with the iPad being used whilst on the go. I guess the only thing is price … it’s an expensive piece of tech, especially when you factor in the keyboard and pencil but nonetheless, I’m really enjoying using it.
dude but the problem is apple doesnt have to market it as desktop replacement its more of a device for content consumption just as you said but putting m chips onto it complicates things and tempts people into thinking that it could do most of what mackbook does . also I feel introducing m4 by skipping m3 shows apple is too desperate to increase its shrinking market share and nothing more . if you give me oled display on the base model 10th gen iPad i'll pretty much buy them compared to any other option
I have the M4 13 inch iPad Pro as my only device and use it for everything including work having switched from a 16 inch Macbook Pro and I absolutely love it. I’ve really got used to using Apps on the iPad including RDP to a windows environment for coding and nowadays when i switch back to the Mac I feel uncomfortable. The main things I prefer about the iPad are - cellular I travel a lot and would be lost without this - Pencil for drawing process flow diagrams - the rear camera for sharing my onsite work environment with colleagues when I am not sharing my screen - portability I know the Macbook Air is as light as an iPad but its not quite as small especially when I carry the iPad for emergencies only without the magic Keyboard. It’s not for everyone and my partner didnt like it at all and has just bought a MB Air 13 and loves that but for now I love my iPad and hopefully even more after WWDC
but there need to be far too many work around or adjustments for iPad into give laptop like experience which is something we shouldn't be doing for the money that we are paying for so if not for display I'll say any iPad could do what this newer one does and I don't know why on earth someone would have 16 inch pro for doing light tasks like what you've mentioned maybe other than probably for that big mini-led display . wwdc always disappoints when it comes to introducing new software feature especially for iPad ,apple always wants us to be like bunny running after carrot handing over its head
@@sameersheriff7078 I had the iPad Pro M2 so have nailed all of the workarounds for my workflows to a point where it would take me a while to learn how to go back to a Mac. Took me a while to find the productivity apps I needed but I was happy to put the effort in I understand not many people would, like my partner. People complain about the Files app whereas I have all my folders in Onedrive and Dropbox and have zero issue. The only annoyance is if I have an excel spreadsheet open and click on another excel file it closes the first .. opening a second file is clunky. That said it’s definitely not for everyone and I would love Apple to make some improvements in June.
Sweet. Is the resolution crisp enough when RDPing into Windows?
For those fortunate enough to be able to afford both, I would highly recommend considering the Mac mini for home and iPad Air or Pro for on-the-go. After multiple Apple Store visits and watching a ton of videos, the 13 inch iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard turned out to be my preference for on-the-go. If you already have a decent monitor and keyboard at home, the Mac mini can save you several hundred dollars when compared to a similarly spec'ed MacBook Air or especially a MacBook Pro. This has turned out the be the ultimate combo for me.
If I could only have one device, then I agree a MacBook would be the best choice.
I’m an average user and I tried fully using the iPad Air 5 as an overall Laptop replacement with the magic keyboard after my MacBook Pro 2015 was sold and I couldn’t ……
I would use it for productivity, scheduling, emails, note taking, ofc media consumption etc…
There were minor little issues here and there that made me go off at times, such as I couldn’t even properly renew my Drivers defense course online, yet my brothers $200 laptop did it with flying colors. I returned the Magic Keyboard, kept my iPad Air 5 and went into the best buy store right after and bought the MacBook Air m1, no complaints.
My final thoughts, the iPad is more of an assist to any laptop (doesn’t have to necessarily be a MacBook but anyone ofc would prefer a MacBook if they had to pick a laptop to lead the way).
Should macOS be installed in the iPad? Definitely not, iPadOS just needs to further grow to certain degree.
OMG, I so agree with the incredible annoyance of some websites simply not working on the iPad Safari browser.
Also, the MacBook Air M1 is insanely good value, I guess even more so in the US with the crazy discounts - I used it for several years in its standard 8GB/256GB config, and while I had to wipe it twice, I otherwise had no complaints at all.
@@wolfgangsfavourites right? Even if you use other web browser apps even the ones with flash supposedly installed it’s all still the same thing. Also, that is the same exact unit I have in regards to the MacBook Air M1 in space grey, I got it October 2023 when it was on sale for $750 and it works like a charm…
@@wolfgangsfavourites May I ask why you had to wipe your MacBook Air M1 twice? Thanks in advance for your reply.
I have to admit that I ordered the 11" ipad pro with 1 TB, nano- textured glass and cellular connection and spent a bunch of money on it....then I went in to an apple store and tried it out with the magic keyboard and the apple pencil and ordered those things too. I also ended up switching from the black to the silver version after seeing them in person. As soon as you add the nano-textured glass the delivery times get pushed way out and so I'm not receiving mine for a few more weeks. Was this too much to spend? Absolutely. Do I need the nano-texture and the 1TB of storage? Probably not. I'm still pretty happy that I ordered the higher spec version and can't wait to get mine. I agree with you that there is some promise with this tech.
I have a new Mac book Air with M3 and & 3rd Generation IPad Pro and I use them both .
I just love using the Mac Book Air M3 16gb ram and it’s awesome
Another quality, engaging and interesting video. My daughter is an illustrator and uses her iPad for creating her art. I can see the M4 iPad being on her wish list. She will never ask, it not her way, but I feel a big special Christmas present being delivered early
if not for display then even a base level iPad could do most of what this m4 one could !!! may be that new pro pencil may not be supported though which could make few difference but don't think so its worth the price if that matters to you
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Good point. If you don’t need massive processor power and a display that although better is it really that noticeable for most uses. Even artists ?
I love my base model M3 MacBook Pro with 24GB of RAM. Don’t need a second big screen, don’t need more than two USB-C ports, love the HDMI port.
I got the iPad Pro 13” with 1TB storage. I also picked-up an Apple Smart Keyboard and the Apple Pencil Pro. I’ve had it almost 10 days and could not be happier with this iPad. I’ve almost every iPad since the first one.
Did I need this? Probably not. Is it worth it? Impossible to answer. I bought the first Macintosh in 1984 and for the time was it ‘too expensive’ for a niche market. Sure was. A small handful of software titles but the experience of this box that glowed on the top your desk lit the creative side of enough users that the Macintosh got better and then worse before it got better again.
I purchased this device at Best Buy with 24-month interest free package with a 60-day no-question return. WWDC is in 10 days. If iOS 18 doesn’t trip the light fantastic for me then there will be an iPad Pro 13”, 1TB available with their ‘open box discount’
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I have an M1 iPad Pro and an M1 MacBook Pro. I definitely prefer iPadOS for any casual things. RUclips, Twitch, social media, all have apps that work fantastically. On the MacBook, you’re forced to use a web browser and none of these things work nearly as well in a browser. I have the MacBook for video editing and for that it’s fantastic. I’m don’t know enough about how to maximize MacOS to like it more than the iPad for many things I do. Hope the comment helps the algorithm and the channel, Mark. Have a great one!
I have both, currently typing on my m4 13” and my m3 MacBook Pro is my bedroom laying on my bed lol.
There was no decision. Took both. Best from both worlds. 🤷🏼♂️
Depends on your key app/software. If Procreate, M4 iPad Pro. I need the full CaptureOne on the go, hence MacbookAir, only 1.2kg, M2 24GB/2TB, and a light iPad Air M1. Easy.
I do Mac mini for home iPad Pro for on the go!
Recently bought a new M3 MacBook, I briefly considered upgrading to the new IPad but as I still have a mountain of cds to upload to the cloud, it was an easy decision. I might upgrade my iPad mini if it gets an upgrade soon.
Mac Mini M2 Pro for production with a iPad Pro M2 for mobility. You can share the same keyboard (MX Keys Mini and mouse). If you want to choose just one of the of then, MacBook Air M3
I already own the 16 inch MacBook Pro with the M3 pro chip and the iPad mini 6 I use them for editing my photos. I am looking at the 13 inch M4 2Tb iPad Pro but the cost mounts up. Add my iPhone 15 Pro and Apple Watch Series 10. it’s a good few thousand and a lot of photography work to recoup that expense.
I currently use a Windows laptop as my daily driver, so I'm not planning to switch to a Macbook at the moment. However, I recently transitioned to the Apple ecosystem and got myself an iPad Pro 13 for its screen size and future-proofing. Looking ahead, I hope that the iPad 18 will support coding IDEs and have a more robust file system.
IDEs are such a weak area of iPad OS so far, in my opinion, and I struggle to see how that can change unless virtualisation of Mac OS is introduced. There are some great apps, like Transmit, Prompt, Textastic, Working Copy, but I have always found any serious coding work (other than Shortcuts, which I do believe is "serious coding work" in its own right even though obviously very limited) so very, very much easier on the Mac and so many things simply are not possible on iPad.
@@wolfgangsfavourites at least i want ipad to be able to screen macmini or any other mac for actually making it a mac replacement and that apple isn't cannibalizing sales of any of its product . i currently use MacBook and macmini by share screen so such feature in iPad would be welcome move
Hello Mark ooops i have a M1 Pro 16” MacBook Pro , and I’ve just sold 2 i pad pros one 12.9 M1, and 11” M2 . And selling cash and vouchers paid for New 13”i pad pro 512gb Magic Keyboard and pencil pro 😮 but i love them both . It’s like a sister and brother and i love them
Still rocking my M1 iPad Pro - still does everything I need
Both are great devices in their own right and I'm lucky enough to have both a 14" M3 Pro MBP and a base m4 iPad Pro 11". I honestly can't decide which I like better. It's still the honeymoon phase with the new iPad, but it's become my out the door daily and my evening content consumption/gaming device. The MBP is still used for heavy lifting like photo and video editing and as my desk work device. Still limitations with the iPad like contact and mail management that require the MBP, just to name two. I hope your right Mark and Apple does the iPad right at WWDC 🤞🏻
Interesting. Mail is not something, where I notice a big difference. And as to reasonably straightforward video editing I quite like LumaFusion, even prefer it in some ways over Final Cut Pro for iPad.
And yet, ultimately, it is Premiere Pro on the Mac that I chose for particularly complex work.
Learning the keyboard shortcuts for Stage Manager and revisiting its feature enhancements that came with iPad OS 17 made me get more out of the iPad lately.
Focus Modes also are something I have recently been looking more into - they play to the strengths of the iPad in making me concentrate on one job at a time, Cal Newport style.
But I agree with you regarding WWDC - iPad OS can still get so very, very much better, especially in its "pro" uses...
@@wolfgangsfavourites I'm a territory sales manger for a large corp. I have multiple accounts who have multiple contacts. The frustration with iPadOS is I can't simply create and select a list of contacts from my main contact list and send the list an email. It's a slow painful process on the iPad and very quick and easy one the MBP. I also use Smart Mailboxes on the MBP to separate emails by set criteria. That function doesn't port over to Mail on the iPad and doesn't have a native equivalent feature either. My photo and video editing is a hobby and not a profession.
Ah, that makes perfect sense. I can see that my email needs are very straightforward compared to yours.
That is the main problem with the iPad, I find: the moment your needs are even slightly more complex, the system (software) has not got enough flexibility to accommodate you 🙁
@@wolfgangsfavourites I remain hopeful that Apple will give the iPadOS the attention it deserves ! The iPad is a brilliant piece of hardware and deserves better software!
Ok my man.. I have the M4 iPad Pro with nano texture and now the M4 MacBook Pro came out now. Should I trade in my M3 MacBook Pro or keep the older version? So confusing. I use my M4 iPad Pro every day but not my MacBook Pro as much. Just like the reasons you stated in this video. Cheers
Great summary of what is good about each platform using up-to-date machine choices.
I particularly agree with Mark‘s points about multiple monitors and Stage Manager. The lack of SD-card slot on the iPad does not bother me at all - the rare occasions I need to load data from SD-cards, I am perfectly happy to use the dongle.
I use several iPads and Macbooks every day and would not want to miss either platform (none of them the latest generation). If I had to choose only one, it would have to be the Mac, as I simply am faster with writing reports, uploading them, running a fairly complex AppleScript I wrote. But I would very much miss the iPads and how I use them for highlighting texts with the pencil and for easy content consumption on the mini.
If and when Apple brings touch AND pencils (!!!) to the Mac and they keep getting lighter, I will eventually probably phase out my iPads, but until then, I feel I don‘t need to choose.
Most important point for people who are about to buy one or the other: iPads effectively are MUCH more expensive if you need to add (original Apple) accessories.
Great video as always - thank you, Mark!
Great video, thanks ! What is the difference in export times of an edited 4K video in final cut between the two ?
The only issue with iPad is the os, give it macOS and slap mobile gui you can switch out of, maybe give it 1 more usbc port. Can attach peripherals easily to control as is wirelessly but charge, storage device, and monitors it would be nice for extra.
I’ve used macOS since 2007 and it does need some polish imo. The Finder has some annoying quirks with the cursor displaying the wrong icon and column view not scaling to fit content without you having to set it. The way you scale the UI is fairly weak. You’ll set size settings in Finder that don’t come across to open and close dialogues. Many of these things didn’t both me until my vision worsened as I’ve aged. Still the best OS for me but I’d love Apple to do a Snow Leopard release and finally iron out some of these issues that have plagued the OS for years.
I use my Mac desktop for work. It does multitasking far more competently when I need to simultaenously wrk with documents, spreadsheets and grabbing stuff from email. My iPad I use for music production which it's excellent at. And at the same time useful to do any of the individual tasks above at a pinch. Both machines are M1 era and for now at least I'm not seeing any need to upgrade. Perhaps iPadOS 18 will change that.
The thing with developers is that they CAN create apps with nearly all the functionality of their MacOS versions. The reason many don’t is because they choose not to do so. Maybe they don’t take iPadOS that seriously as a viable system or perhaps they feel it wouldn’t financially feasible. Perhaps Apple can step in and create a kit that can allow them to create Mac-like apps for iPadOS, especially if they have no plans on bringing MacOS to the iPads.
For me, the iPad is a great personal work device. I already have a laptop from my corporate job and it doesn’t make sense in my brain to get another laptop so getting an iPad to fill all my personal computing needs works out great.
I’ve purchased the iPad Pro 13 inch. I use it as my computer. I absolutely love it! Laptop seems boring to me. Just my opinion.
I can totally see how an iPad can work as the sole computer for many people and many scenarios. I could make it work for me, but I am glad I don't need to.
I also think that younger generations are more likely to be motivated to make iPads work for them - I was almost middle-aged already by the time the iPad was introduced. I did love and use reversible Tablet ThinkPads by IBM for several years before the introduction of the iPad, but they were particularly attractive exactly because they were reversible, but absolutely not "best of both worlds" as the simplicity of iPad OS most definitely was not achieved by Windows (or Linux, which is what I mainly used back then)...
@@wolfgangsfavourites maybe for documentation and spreadsheets or maybe some photo and video editing but not anything other than that . files and window management is too cumbersome to be able to even consider using it in place of a laptop
Same for me - I find laptops extremely boring + i need a windows machine to get my work done. Meaning the iPad Pro is an amazing home computer
Basically you only need a glorified media consumption device. Others still need to do serious work.
I find this is a strange comparison. The M4 iPad Pro (in compute terms) is much more in line with the M3 Macbook Air. It's also very comparable with the Air in size and weight, when you factor in the keyboard. The Macbook Pro is bigger, heavier, it has a fan, and you've got access to the M3 Pro, M3 Max chips. A very different beast.
If you want to do computery things, the M3 Air is far cheaper, has better battery life, form factor, and software. The iPad has a much much better display, but the apps and OS are not as well suited to 'computery' tasks. However if you also will spend a lot of time using it as, well, an iPad, clearly it knocks the spots off the laptop in that regard. The 1000 nit display is fantastic when using this outside on a sunny day - if you want do that, it's really worth considering. Hardware wise, iPad Pro is quite capable of replacing my Macbook Air and be the perfect all-in-one, but the reality is it's hampered by the OS and apps, and it's not a viable laptop replacement. If I could only have only one, I'd take the Air in a heartbeat, because it is far more capable as a computing device. Maybe buy a super cheap iPad to go with it.
one thing we are forgetting here is the ability of Ipad using the cellular to connect you to the world vs the mac. We do not have the wifi at work, nor I lik eusing the hotspot thats limited; goes to show its superiority.
I sold my MacBook Pro M1 Pro 14inch as for my use purposes wasn’t using it. It had 30 cycle charges baring in mind when I got it 2021 brand new it already had 6 cycles. I got the 11inch M4 Pro 256GB Silver with Apple Pencil Pro and used it everyday for my tasks, mid way through this video I ordered the Magic Keyboard 😂
Is it normal for a new MacBook to already have had a number of battery cycles when brand new? Shouldn't a new MacBook come with zero cycles?
Still a mac person but I get the feeling the ONLY thing holding back the ipad is apple. They COULD allow it to connect to multiple screens and allow all the cross application stuff you need to turn the ipad into a valid laptop replacement for most people, but then they paint themselves into a corner where the ipad IS a valid laptop and how do they sell laptops when the "ipad as a laptop" is no longer a joke? Its not the hardware that stop that.
I dunno why they don’t move towards that approach. If an external monitor is connected, enable macOS. Put it behind an initial 200$ paywall, that’s fine.
Each device serves its purpose.
Do Macs last longer than Pads with OS and security updates?
I'd like to know this too. @MarkEllisReviews, or anyone, please can you answer this question, how long iPads get iOS and Security updates for? Thanks in advance.
I want a iPad pro or air and Mac mini or studio combo.
iPad for the go Mac for the home.
iMac would work as my iPad could be the 2nd monitor
I wanted to get my mum a new iPad for consuming media, was considering the new Air or even the 10th gen iPad but after looking at the price and features went for a USB 2021 M1 iPad Pro 11 inch. This cost is about have that of the M4 iPad Pro which starts from $1699 here in Australia. The used M1 version is $900 from a reputable reseller in like new condition. This will be more than enough for my mum replacing here old original 3rd or 4th gen iPad.
Ever since i bought the ipad pro m2, 11 inch i have not touched my macbook. This nifty little machine does everything i need wich is photo editing, writing, some youtube/other streaming service whatever. If i would not need the ability to edit texts files for studying etc i would not even have a computer, i could do with my iphone.
LOL, take home: do I want to spend $4000 on Apple Vision to get a large display for my MacBook Pro, or should I just move it closer to my eyes? I've got a 2019 iPad Pro, and I don't use it much. Now with my Max, I have a nice display for HDR video. The OS is what makes me not use my current iPad nor want me to upgrade (they only use I could think for it is watching video on a plane).
The choice is about how ok you are with a way bulkier machine, traveling.
Interesting video. I'm looking for a MacBook Air M1 replacement at some point. As a photographer I use a Mac Studio hooked up to a professional monitor. My requirement is for something to use on trips and when teaching photography classes. The iPadPro is very svelte until... you add the Magic Keyboard. Then the weight difference to a MacBook Air is negligible. There's a lot to like about the iPadPro. Used to have a Surface. I loved the concept but the hardware was lacking. The iPadPro does seem a remarkable device. BTW, I use Lightroom Classic most of the time, occasionally Lightroom.
Really love iPadOS but the lack of full feature apps keeps me from ditch my MacBook Air.
The iPad Pro 13" M4 (10CPU, 10GPU) with a 1TB storage, Magic Keyboard, Apple Pencil Pro, and 2 years AppleCare+ will set you back $2,646.
On the other hand, the 14" MacBook Pro with an M3 Pro chip (11 CPUs and 14 GPUs), 18GB of RAM, 1TB SSD, and 3 years AppleCare+ comes in at $2,478. Oh fo sho, it's not an iPad, but personally, I'd go for the 14" MBP M3 Pro any day. Just saying! 🤭
Although, I won’t get another MBP to ditch my loving 16” MBP M3 Pro or another iPad while my M2 IPad Pro sitting idle most of the time.
I so agree on your value-for-money statement. Each to their own, for sure, but while I have both, I do think MacBooks generally are far better value for money to me.
However, the iPad Pro 11 is available for under $1000, which is enough for most people who need a tablet.
@@andyH_England but the display lets it down though not until now we at least have 11ínch iPad having top of the line display. if apple announce even a base iPad with either mini-led or oled display no one would bother about pro
but 11inch one isn't that expensive even after adding cellular and apple care if you exclude keyboard then it servers the purpose of what iPad does which is being a content consuming device . apple trying too hard into convincing people into buying iPad as laptop replacement whereas in reality it not anywhere near it especially the os
yes, the iPad on its own is a very good deal
It’s a false dichotomy because they are fundamentally different devices. So, for example, comparing IO is as silly as saying, ‘Well, the MBP is better because it comes with a keyboard,’ or, ‘the iPad is better because it has a touch interface.’ Neither of which are meaningful statements - all you are doing is restating what the device *is*.
So, from a pro perspective, it comes down to ‘do you need a touch screen device’. Unfortunately, if the answer to that is, ‘yes,’ then you’ll likely need both. And that is down to the half-baked iPadOS. Something which Apple is not in a hurry to fix - likely because they want pros to continue to buy both.
That makes no sense. I can do everything on my iPad Pro M4 that I can do on my MacBook only faster on the iPad Pro M4. If I want a desktop computer, then get a Mac Mini or Mac Studio. If I want a portable computer then get iPad Pro M4 ... the MacBook lives in never never land, does neither well.
My Solution is: MacBook Pro M3 16 Inch and iPad Air 11 M2 with Apple Pencil Pro! It fits all my needs.
So you travel always with both devices? Wherever you go?
well, it all comes down to what your needs are. i don’t own a MacBook because i don’t need it. i do basic stuff like surf the internet, watch videos, movies and check email. the new iPad Pro is overkill for that too, BUT…..120hz and OLED….those are the things i enjoy visually. anyway, i digress….lol. it lol comes down to your workflow and usage….i would seriously recommend an iPad Air M2 or even the M2 iPad Pros….think those would suffice for anyone. i’m really hoping that Apple unleashes the iPad with a more advanced version of iPadOS at WWDC.
You sir are a video machine! Yet another throughly enjoyable video, down to earth, engaging, and understandable. The accent is a plus too, lol. I’ve been an iPad Pro user since the first Pro came out and now the owner of the M4 version. The trick in my arena is to start saving once you purchase the previous iPad Pro so that selling off you last born or remortgaging your house isn’t needed. I do agree though that needs to unleash the software so that the iPad Pro can come into its own position in the lineup. One shall see in 2 weeks! Here’s hoping….
Appreciate the kind words!
iPad Pro M4. It replaces my old intel macbook pro. For two reasons being, an ipad so much versatile and the new horizontally placed camera. I do nothing and a lot on it.
Oooo and the screen is fantastic it absolutely is.
Keeping my M1 MBP and IPad Pro M1… waiting for the M10! Saving for that ..which will probably cost $15,000 by then….
But its hard to be immune from apple's marketing for that long !!!
Different loves, different uses which is why I have both
I still have a 12.9” M1 iPad Pro with cellular. It’s now 3 years old. I need a MacBook Pro. Preferably a 16” for some gaming with parallels and learning to code. Unless iPad OS 18 is really good, I don’t see upgrading.
Well, I bought the 13” M4 with 1tb storage and the new Apple Magic Keyboard on July 5. Sold the old one with the Magic Keyboard for $600. Now trying to get money together for a 16” M3.
I wish the new M5 MacBook pro comes with OLED display like ipad pro M4 13 ❤❤❤❤
Your excellent video just proves what has been said all along they fit into different categories and are designed to be complimentary and not an either or choice.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m going for Mac I a already have iPad Pro m2
iPad for games , Mac for everything else
Using iPad Pro and Mac Studio and Windows PCs, I must say that MacOS is not very intuitive, having very awkward menus, always processes,,crashing (XCP service) and a very long startup time, compared to Windows. But MacOS runs stable at all. 😅 Who is able to install macOS to an Ipad?
Hello Mark,
I am a 12 year old boy ho is going to high school and my parents gave me a budget of about 1500€ and I would like to hear your oppinion about what i should get. We use Lenovo Laptops at School.
I was thinking about getting the Ipad Pro M4 or the Mac mini with an oled samsung screen.
Hey! Depends on a fair few factors, but if you don't need the traditional functionality offered by a Mac, the M4 iPad Pro would do you very well - for a very long time 😉
thanks
The iPad M4 made me realize to wait for a MacBook Pro M4 Max and continue to use my existing maxed out iPad M1.
apple is trying too hard these days in order to have a lead in benchmarks compared to its competion and its the reason why they released 3 varients of m chips over past 2years ever since snap dragon announced its new arm based chips and apple users previously never cared about those in the past but bought it simply for macos and its ecosystem so no need to wait or rush into buying new macs or iPad if you have anything with m chips in it as just a few second faster than previous one isn't worthy enough for an upgrade . m4 max or m5 ultra wont make a change as it previously did like from the jump from intel to apple silicon had before that kind of generartional leap happened every 7-8 years or so
I still think it dubious Apple never added touch screens to macbook, with the obvious intent to direct you to buy both devices. I'm not hating on Apple, I own many of their products.
your not alone which i can very well guarantee. apple isn't they way it once used to be , now its all about benchmarks and new chip sizes year by year in order to trick people into buying them for the sake of increasing their falling market cap . now that their top designers and scientist already jumped ship to make snap dragon chips its looking like a slippery slop for apple going forward with lack of innovation at sight especially in terms of ai then only reason for people to buy apple would be for its ecosystem and blue bubbles even for that its facing lot of scrutiny with several law suits in place so no one would wanna buy if it comes either cool new ai feature in non apple products or that same old ecosystem that usually holds people from buying other devices
Indeed, ios 18 will decide wether the m4 ipad Pro is worth it or not
Very healthy attitude, I find.
@@wolfgangsfavourites until another disappointing event that awaits us . better to keep our hopes low in order to not be disappointed which is one thing that most of us have learned over the years without any doubt .
You really make really good and fun videos💪🤓😍
Thank you so much 😁
we know what mag safe is bro thanks
Ok then bro thanks lolz.
Apple could make a super product, a touch screen Microsoft surface type product, but they don’t. Why? Because they want to sell you as many products as possible. I’m guilty I own a bunch of them. And love if!
The iPad Pro m4 is in a league of its own though. The form factor and display are amazing. I’ve had it for a week and have barely touched my MBP.
stage manager on iPad Pro... nowhere near a Mac, mostly cause of the shitty mouse. its slow, its weird...its apple intentional to make you hit your head against the wall.
if the mouse experience was better, I d say would be a great option to have an iPad only. but for now u need a Mac too.
got an iPad Pro m2 12.9 and I later bought a Mac Studio M2 Max. iPad now is just a nighttime bedside Netflix device. or a 2 day trip "laptop".
To be honest, get them both… They work very well together along with the IPhone. If a person puts it together, it’s like being Tony Stark in 2024.
The file management on the iPad is substandard and glitchy. Not pro at all. The MacBook wins all the way, as you can also run other operating systems on it as well, which you cannot do with the iPad, so the iPad is not very good for Dev.
iPadOS runs a sandboxed app regime, so having a file manager like Windows or MacOS is impossible. You have to change your perception of how file sharing works, which can be tricky for some.
@@andyH_England apple want you to simply buy everyone of their product where buying one feel less without buying the other
@@sameersheriff7078 many people own an Android tablet and a Windows laptop. These sensible people know that the best solution is one of each rather than terrible Windows tablet mode. I think people should understand that sometimes just because you can make one device out of two products, it isn't necessarily the right thing to do. With an iPad and a MacBook I believe having one of each is a sensible, productive and efficient solution.
@@andyH_England I think not having a simple progress bar when transferring a file in iPadOS is not very good at all. It's not perception, it's reality. And the list goes on!
iPad Pro has no competition in the tablet realm but I'm sorry I'm picking the 16 inch MacBook Pro every time.
The position of the pen is not correct. Rotate 🔃
It literally is 100% correct, mate.
It's simple. Apple wants you to buy both. They gimp the i pad so the performance is irrelevant. If you have a Mac, you don't need the i pad unless you need the pen. If you have the i pad, you will always need a Mac if you do any professional work. Don't be misled. Apple will never fix this, or it would be fixed by now.
If macbook adds touchscreen, it’s a full package. My idea, pay me apple.
Quicker than a mouse.
Such calming voice and mannerism, could listen to you all day 😊
We should do iPad pro vs TVs not vs the macbook pro. Lol. Since I bought the M2 mini LED and I dont watch TV anymore. 😂
Mac hands down!
For the money, any comparable gen MBA or MBP... the software is my biggest gripe for the price of the new iPad Pros and it's pathetic Apple is even selling 60hz screens on any of the M series chip iPads in mid-2024.
The moment 😩 you want to load a triple A 🎮 game relaxing macOS is terrible 😞
The bottom line is neither should win. Everyone is different. Just recently I’ve been watching RUclips reviews by non tech people. Many of them make fun of tech RUclipsrs and call them “tech bros” where the consensus is that tech RUclipsrs are stuck in their own silo and have no idea what others want. They care nothing for specs or benchmarks. They care nothing for macOS, File apps, or Terminal. They work without external monitors and often don’t use a Magic Keyboard or any physical keyboard at all. To them, simplicity is king and grafting things like Stage Manager only gunks things up. Apple recognized that and hid the feature.
Basically there are many different kinds of users for which the iPad will work best for some while the Mac will work best for others. It’s essentially asking whether apples or oranges are better. The non-tech community takes the iPad for what it is while the tech RUclipsrs obsesses on what the iPad isn’t.
For my career (now retired), neither a Mac nor an iPad would have worked out for what I needed since none of the apps I needed existed on those platforms. Professionally, I’d have said none of the above. Privately, I use the iPad 90% of the time because it is the ultimate in ultra portability. Laptops are just too cumbersome.
Give Apple is the dominant force in tablet computing with the iPad, why don't they give us a touch enabled version of Mac OS to run on it? I know it would cannibalise their laptop line, but they would have an unassailable lead in mobile computing. They don't have this advantage with their traditional laptops.
Macbook all the way. Fun though the iPad is for content consumption I tear my hair out at the awful file manager, lack of connectivity and laughable window management software. I think my money would be better spent just getting a Macbook Air for less money (factoring in that iPad keyboard) and consuming content with fully featured apps as well as being able to do everything else you can do on MacOS that you can't do on iPad OS.
As the owner of the last of the A series iPad Pro they'd have to do a proper full overhaul of the OS to attract me to buy a another one. The hardware's amazing, the software environment has not developed to support and leverage it
The real answer is, they both win, while I will say the iPad doesn’t need Mac OS is does need at best something like Samsung Dex and stage manager isn’t it. It also needs a revamped file management system because it is complete nerve racking garbage.The iPad is a companion tool to the Mac always will be. For some professions the iPad is a big yes because you cannot create art/ digital art on the Mac simply because Apple unlike some windows based offerings have 2 in 1 doesnt allow for this. Apple could very well do this but they don’t because they want you to buy both of their products. It may not be nice for the customer but it’s good for their business and the sales show it.
This is why I have both. I do my creative design and music and everything in that category on the iPad and use the Mac for everything else etc, edits and what not. But in a pinch while on travel or on the go I can use just the iPad. But let’s be real they are both pretty thin and can both easily go into my day bag. People over exaggerate how heavy and cumbersome the MacBook is.
Alas I still have a windows high end pc because well until devs make gaming a priority on Mac then I’ll always have a pc and a ps5. Albeit I use my steam deck Oled on the go.
Cheers for another great video.
Are y still using s24 ultra
Yup.
For probably 90% of people a tablet is all the computer you need. Internet, watching/listening to media. So, if you need a computer for work or serious hobby creation, Macbook. Otherwise, get the best tablet you can afford.
What about the 10% of things that everyone still has to do at some points? Or want to do?
nah apple always wants you to buy them both so need to debate which one is more suitable over the other
This is a funny question. In 1996, I picked-up my first Apple desktop computer. Sorry Tim Cook, but the "hub" of my Apple life is not an android phone or an iPhone, but instead an Apple desktop system. Therefore, I would only buy an Apple laptop if, I needed to be able to carry and, make changes to my work product with clients away from both my office and my home. Also, I would only buy an iPad Pro model if, I needed to use some professional applications like Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro. Since neither of these apply to me, I only own a "space gray" trash can size Mac Pro 8-core/D-700/64GB/1TB SSD desktop paired with an Apple 27-inch Cinema LED (none thunderbolt) display; and a basic iPad 9th generation 256GB model with the cell data option paired with a Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard (smile...smile).
Great video guide, and the solution is simple get both lol! Great T-shirt by the way
Thanks!
It’s not a mac or a iPad its both they are different devices, not once have Apple said buy this iPad you wont need a Mac, the only people that are doing that are reviewers
Yes, that us what Apple wants. Appart if you have a Stockholm syndrome, this is what all current reviewers of the M4 iPad Pro complains about though..
My MacBook is collecting dust. 😀
IOS is coming we will have 2 wait as see what happens, great video tho 😅
Unfortunately I can't afford either does that stop me from watching, does it stop any of you?
apple for many reasons is losing its way !!! previously it was about simplicity, built quality ,software integration along with user experience and never about performance or benchmarks at all that pulled many people into buying including me but now its about race to achieve maximum benchmarks over the competition and confusing people into choosing what exactly to buy and leave any kind of actual innovation behind is too disappointing .its a matter of time before once a great company producing our favourite products gets replaced or surpassed by newcomers in the future other than android like tesla for example if start entering mobile market no one would show their brand loyalty but instead would jump right away if focuses on innovation and better overall experience unlike apple
It's easy, very easy. Just buy both a MacBook and an iPad. They do not need to be the most expensive of each device, but having both means no compromise and the best of both worlds. I know creators push this "versus" agenda, but as Apple says, they are complementary, not meant to compete, as that would be a dumb business model.
The fact that you need both is already the biggest compromise ever. You want to developp photo on a tablet? So with Capture One Pro or not a bogged down version of Lightroom so that you could pinch and zoom or scroll with fingers, draw mask, comfortably on the couch or bed with screen close to you? Nope, Apple does not allow that.
You want to browse the web, watch Netflix in tablet mode when travelling with your Mac? Nope.
You want to take quick annotation on a screenshot you made or signed a document with your Mac? Nope...
I mean, the very fact of needing 2 different devices kill the argument that it would be better. I do not know how such a twisted marketing could really got ingrained in some people's mind.
if you wanna buy both at reasonable price then you must compromise either on display quality or performance so its easier said than done . apple never gives you what you actually want unless you buy every last one of their product apple would make you feel that your always missing out on something .
@@sameersheriff7078 yeah I'm not saying it's cheap. If you buy the pro versions of both. But most people know this and the target audience for the pro devices are people with high disposable incomes.
As always it depends on your use cases - just the IPad works for me even though I have a Mac Mini M1 but rarely use it
if ipad could share screen on macmini it would be the biggest feature iPad could ever get a perfect blend between iPad and mac hope it happens someday
For entertainment and games, the tablet is better, for study and work, the macbook is better
The hardest thing about buying the iPad Air for most of the people that choose the iPad Pro over it, is knowing that they would be buying a less powerful device. People don’t like that, and Apple know it. The use cases for the iPad Pro over the iPad Air are so niche and limited.
It’s sad that the iPad lineup still remains a confusing and counterintuitive one in 2024, albeit less so than last year. The “Air” model is heavier than the Pro. The pencil is thicker than the Pro. Steve Jobs wouldn’t have ever let that happen, and at this point probably would have given the green light to iPads at least being able to run desktop level productivity apps by now.
Apple desperately need to properly tell us what the iPad truly is. Is it a pro productivity device? If so, it is more software limited than it has ever been. Or is it a leisure device? If so, it’s hardware is way overpowered for 99% of people and it’s way too expensive to truly justify.
The best iPad, in my view, is still the iPad mini. You want productivity, MacBook is the only option.