Since this video is getting alot of traction and alot of people are starting to disagree with it. i will debate literally anyone on this topic just reply to this comment with your discord. Voice only
I watched through the whole video and it was like a try not to laugh challenge, jotaro is no where near close to universal, I have never seen someone high ball Jotaro to this ridiculous extent 💀💀💀💀
Y’all only used bog scaling for goku instead of current manga Goku and the fact y’all didn’t even explain the true scale of the dbs universe. Not to mention y’all forget about all the times people who Goku scales to who have beaten or outright have been stated to surpass time itself. Y’all didn’t even mention how much stronger Goku has gotten through the series not to mention y’all forgot about mui or true ui. While I agree that jojo is universal the literal size of dbs universe is in the most literal sense infinitely bigger than the jojo’s. Not to mention that goku’s durability to withstand attacks and ki attacks that have power to destroy the entire universe and beyond that on a constant basis.
@@MemeBossOG watch the video fully. i literally go in-depth on why he's that strong but in order for you to understand why he's that strong you have to listen to the reasoning.
@@MRForcai agree with everything except durability neg and infinite AP, saying jotaro has infinite ap is ridiculous. If this was the case everyone in the verse has infinite durability as their bodies had also survived the infinite heat but we know that to not be true. lets assume that he does have infinite ap, this would still be countered by the fact that his foes dont get one shot so unless you're saying that steely dan has infinite durability idk how jotaro has
steely dan has nothing to do with jotaro in part 6 tf? also how ca nyou disagree with dura neg its BLATANYL obvious. i even showed him doing it tf?. @@MemeBossOG
Also wtf why are you scaling the fucking speed from the macrcoosm just legit use the feat where goku was able to traverse infinte hell in a few seconds or use the feat where he was able to move faster than someone at instant speed but ig y’all gotta lowball to make this a fair match
@@Yofadofa so you decided to comment on a video to meat munch without seeing the logic and reasoning? im tellin you right now if you've watched the whole video you would have a change of opinion.
It is NOT closer than you think. goku scales above arale who can essentially run thru time and transcend her narrative in a r/f fuction on an infinitely loop even if you want to downplay goku to low multi he still slams all of jojo with no higher dimensional scaling. Cool video tho
Goku doesn’t scale above arale idk who told you that. The only interaction they’ve had was outside canon versions. Also low multi isn’t really a downscale if you think about that. Thx for commenting and hopefully you’ve watched the video
@@MRForca Outside canon versions? dr slump and it's chronology is canon to the events to super lmao dr muhito who's also transcended the narrative and all those character traits events still pertained within dragon ball super Also in the anime version goku>beerus>arales gags that she exhibits and power
This video is so amazing and informative with nothing wrong at all (Please help. I've been locked inside his basement for months now. I haven't seen my family or the light in months. I hear them screaming help)
Goku - multiversal and can neg hax of characters far weaker than him Jotaro - building level, can stop time which is useless against goku Yeah no this isnt close at all, goku neg difs jotaro and one shots the entire verse
"useless against goku" is it? Goku has no way to focus his ki/stay on guard while he's frozen and unconcious, any hit from Jotaro would be fatal in such a condition, shown as Goku got pierced by lasers when he wasn't focusing his ki.
@@flashxmlfirst of all goku from the Moro arc left himself completely open for a attack from morro and that broke his arm if jotaro tried punching him his arm would be shattered your also forgetting goku has been shown that he can just brute force through anything really
And also it’s not focusing his key it’s simply that he let his guard down focusing key and putting your guard up and down are 2 completely seperate things
If Jotaro is this strong how has he struggled against anybody in the series And if you watch JoJo, bro is still human, he nearly dies to a car crash when the car stand in part 3 hits them He uses planes and cars The sun stand which was making the desert at a maximum of 80 degrees C was too hot for these guys And looking at the feats of Jotaro, the best one I can think of is when he breaks through the ‘diamond teeth’ of the stand that manifests itself into materials And with all the power, Pucci should have beat Emporio easily, weather report isn’t said to be a stand with a lot of physical strength yet Emporio gives Pucci the Ora Ora treatment And Pucci is human as well, even after this stuff I’ve said about Jotaro, Pucci is making sure bro doesn’t hit him, like when he makes sure even in his times too he won’t him because he threw knives at Jolyne And even before Pucci had MiH, Jotaro punches Pucci when Jotaro first shows up in Florida but it doesn’t kill him or seem like that bad of an injury, he just gets punched through the glass wall So unless Araki is just contradicting everything about Jotaro and basically every character in the series who’s opposed him and he’s actually a being that can destroy planets with ease, the idea doesn’t stand but good job trying to make an attempt because I could not do that And if we’re going this deep into science stuff *that I’m sure Araki was thinking of* , how does anyone survive the universe reset, everyone should have died including Pucci because there would be no oxygen in the end or just a deadly chance of being injured for everyone especially Emporio, how did lil bro survive Also Pucci gets hurt by a damn piano But I’ve got some realistic ideas of stands against Goku -Heavens door -Could anyone actually hurt Golden Experince Requiem -MIH in a race against Goku (I’m not gonna lie I went through the whole video again to make sure you weren’t trolling and that I didn’t look like an absolute idiot)
ur right at jotaro but pucci is more than a human and pucci is not just fast like flash he's way beyond that mih is able to use the gravitational power of not just the earth but the whole universe to increase the speed of time that means that pucci is the center of gravity or more like the center of the universe he's literally being a walking blackhole but more beyond that since blackhole can't affect the whole universe but yea pucci with complete mih is literally at unstoppable force and in mih stats it was shown that pucci had the speed of god himself imagine how op is that
@@puccilion he speeds up everything which is said by the show but everything else you just said is speculation and is never said but I kind of see where you’re coming from but I don’t remember any explanation for everything floating Regardless, he still tries to avoid Jotaro even when he got MiH and when everything was going fast, and as we’ve just proven how Star Platinum isn’t some planet busting being, with your explanation, Pucci should not be caring about Jotaro He goes out of his way so that even during his time stop, Jotaro can’t get to him by throwing knives at Jolyne Also against Emporio he gets damaged by a damn *Piano* which I find really funny And unless we’re also saying weather report and Emporio are planet destroying monsters, they beat the hell out of Pucci like any other stand would and weather report isn’t even a stand of strength
the reason Goku was unable to completely erase Zamasu is because he uses Mia as a shield. this is literally in the next few chapters you go your cans from lol. why lie?
Low multi???? Are you forgetting about the scans literally showing the afterlife to be a non temporal area and are you also forgetting about even more scans showing that the concept of time doesn’t exist within the otherworld which would scale it atleast into one layer into outer but because the layers of the realm you’ve shown makes the afterlife at the top it would scale atleast 3 layers just saying
the concept of time statement is a figure of speech. the statement itself gets contradicted ALOT also the same space exist inside of the universe. watch the full video and if you disagreed wit hthe dragon ball side of the video you can always take this up with my friend tamakii who DID the dragon ball side
Nah it’s not really considering goku tried to stay out of ssj3 for as long as possible whilst outside the realm also even in the afterlife never once have we seen anyone grow even for king Kai before death which was Saiyan saga-cel saga and also the fact that it’s not space it’s just a void considering the endless space only applies to the universe because it was talking about the universe and also the fact that the afterlife was stated to be transcendent over the mortal realms which would also include the endless space considering it’s the mortal realm but I’ll be glad to take it up lol
@@MRForca I've watched the video. All the stuff 4th dimensional universal JoJo are nonsense, unless you use Dio Over Heaven who is possibly 4d. Jotaro and GER both max out at city level with reality warping. While Earth Shenron can restore planets with a thought and can manipulate fate, life and death etc. Jotaro get stomped like a bug. Current Goku thunderclaps Comp Jojo in base form
@@MRForca Did not state you referred to GER and Dio Over Heaven. I meant the Universal Jotaro is just nonsense. Plus Goku was able to block Hit's invisible phase attacks like Jiren and scales beyond SSJ2 Gohan he blocked a destructo disk which negates durability. Pls educate yourself on both characters before making such video
So if star platinum is uni then tw is uni right so the world kicking jotaro at full power making jotaros flesh and bones uni right? same body that gets hurt by bullets and gasoline thrown at high speeds right? if star platinum is uni then chariot is also uni since they fight at full force since jotaro admits he cant hold back on pollnareff which makes diavolo's own body uni since he could take a full force strike from chariot if diavolo is uni in durability and kc should be too so how come they both get hurt by a rock shot at high speeds that only destroys a wall? ok so that makes stinky fingers uni since he can harm kc same stand gets two of its attacks eaten by pescis brother and remember bruno was trying to kill them there was no holding back so pescis brother who gets killed by a train running him over is also uni huh? i could go on for so long bruh but i wont and i will hope that you understand that all of these weak feats outweigh the one outlier uni feat. i think jojo is cool verse in fact i always root for jjba characters but this is just a dumb video man araki CLEARY does NOT want his charters to be absurdly strong like you claim they are.
I'm a big jojo fan, but I also watch dbs and this is just wrong. If Jotaro had strength even close to Goku, Jotaro would've just one shotted every villain instead of ora ora-ing them. This is because even in base form, dbs Goku has universal strength and let me explain: when goku first got super saiyan god, his clashes with Beerus threatened to the destroy the entire universe, this included the afterlife realm which was a place devoid of the concept of space and time. Even somebody watching the fight (Forgot their name) said "If you got any closer to the fight, you'd be disintegrated" or something along the lines of that. Disintegration means obliteration on a subatomic level. Goku then learned how to channel his super saiyan god ki into his base form. Whilst Jotaro's greatest strength feats is star platinum being able to destroy diamonds and his punches said to be like getting hit by a truck. This also means Goku could bypass Jotaro's time stop since it's hax potency is only universal. I say this because Goku was able to surpass hit's time manipulation abilities due to his power surpassing it's hax potency.
as an average Jojo fan I have to say that jotaro ain't doing shit against goku the only mfs who maybe can defeat him are wou pucci with complete mih funny Valentine and green baby
Time stop does not affect Goku,jiren was stated to be above time itself and goku is objectilvly stronger than him,so jotaros main win con does not affect Goku
@@MRForcayes for the Early fight against hit goku predict hit movements but on his rematch against hit goku power so strong that he forces himself to enter hit time skip ability and also jiren the man who possessed the power that transcend time itself and the same dude got beaten by goku in 1v1 before out of gas ..I don't think that's mistranslation either GOKU SLAMS
@@MRForcayou said if ki and stand is the same GOKU would over power him anyway goku ki is massive and manga goku he can now use his UI in base also his supersaiyan forms so its not even close dude goku power is stacked arc after arc...
I'd argue Jotaro is multiversal because Pucci, in the final fight against Emporio, started accelerating time again, meaning he could eventually destroy the universe at least a second time, making him multiversal, and because Jotaro could damage him, he is multiversal as well. That's just an idea. Let it sink in for a bit
Bro Biden, Putin and the other rulers can destroy an entire country using their nuclear weaponry with the push of a button. Seeing as I could theoretically beat these guys up in a fight, that makes me a country buster with just my pinky. Let it sink in for a bit Imagine what I could do at full power
If I could break 1 single brick 2, 5, 10 separate times, it doesn’t mean I can break 2, 5, or 10 bricks at once so it’s still at best High Uni (infinite 3-D) to Uni+ with this high balled interpretation of JoJo scaling
@@UtilisedDrink Power and Strength are two different words. Power implies abilities you learn or obtain from evolution or other means. Strength implies muscles and work you get from straining your body. So, it technically DOES involve actual power.
I am one of the biggest JoJo fans you will ever meet, but Jotaro stands zero chance against Goku. Writing wise, Jotaro slams. In a fight? Jotaro loses with Goku having zero difficulty. Stop yapping and delete your channel.
@@noonespecialtbh With such confidence this should be the easiest debate of your life. Vairo#1114 I can send you the link or check out the link in the description to his server.
Jotaro can stop time infinitely and still wouldn't be able to leave a scratch on Goku. He can hit Goku with everything he has and he will sustain 0 damage.
although time stop is a very good ability, Jotaro just cant react to how fast Goku moves, he could barely keep up with Pucci when Made In Heaven was just created, along with a RAT being able to deduce the weakness of Jotaro's time stop. Goku has a history of finding his opponent's weaknesses as well as being able to move in frozen/skipped time and predict where his opponent would be in the future.
4:47 this is wrong for multiple reasons. 1. Cell was stated to have infinite and bottomless battle power. 2. Infinite 3D strength is uni+. Goku is low multi in base due to the beerus feat. This isn’t close
Goku has that much strength/durability because of Ki. However, without ki, as Whis said in the manga, the body becomes very fragile. Jotaro can bypass Goku's ki barrier which makes him that durable and destroy his heart, even if he just has mountain level AP
what i learned today Infinite Power = high diff at destroying diamonds Infinite Speed = about 20km/h (SP is fast but Jotaro himself cant dodge shit) Infinite Durability = Knive level
Jotaro vs Namek Saga Goku is close. A goku with SSGSS and Ultra Instinct under his belt, let alone kaioken or Super Saiyan, is just nuclear bomb vs crying baby
Puchi does not have infinite defense because the restarting of the universe doesn't hurt anyone including Emporio. The restarting of the universe doesn't heal, hurt or change anything alive just replace the dead. So Jotaro doesn't need much power to hurt him. Also it's pretty clear by Jotaro's usual targets that he doesn't have enough power to destroy citys or planets, which are both easier to destroy than infinity. Also I'm pretty sure Goku has enough poison resistance to tough out the oxygen poisoning that Emporio pulled to kill Puchi, Goku would just smack you for that. How can a person have infinite defense with weak poison resistance?
The only scenario where I think Jotaro could win is if for Goku to exist with his power in the jojo verse he would need the use of stand, similar to how tonio was so passionate and good at cooking he developed a stand, and that would make him vulnerable to star platinum. Otherwise Jotaro loses
@@MRForca I did watch the speed calc atleast . Which is cap ofc . Jotaro is nowhere close in any category Strength, speed , dura , abilities , combat , hax .... against Goku . While Low mukti is Downplaying Goku ( Jotaro doesn't even comes close to Planetary in Ap lmao )
@@MRForcaain't watching obvious bullcrap . It was never close , never will be . Even low balling the fuc out of DB Goku is Complex multi ( which is severe lowball )
Even tho I disagree with such a highball of Jotaro, I really feel sorry for the author of the video watching all the comments. My man just likes a certain character and wants to stop all that "Jotaro is a building level fodder" thing. I mean, do DB fans really think that THEY don't highball Goku? Sure at some moments your character shakes the Universe or something, but in others he can't move a fighter with nothing but a steel chest even in Super form. The inconsistency isn't less wild than what was said here. IMO if there was an OFFICIAL fight between Goku and Jotaro's Star Platinum, they'd be equalized in terms of strength, speed and durability somewhere in city-block level so that the fight would be cool and long. And of course, the winner is whoever the authors decide
Idk how tf can jotaro get pass the immense ki barrier Edit: this is current shit and you're usingbig goku. Why not put kid goku where goku have immense gag hax to tank sniper shot without ki barrier and breathe to space ? Also ability to speed up until he disappear and break manga panel since were stretching jotaro into oblivion lets use gag goku to solo jotaro
All other calcs for this verse contradict universal only a mere one feat makes this verse uni if one universal feat happens but forty building feats happen the uni feat is considered outlier and will not be used which is similar too whats happening here even you should agree that building level and town level feats are more provable and consistent
@@MRForca You completely ignored what I said yes they are stronger than shown sometimes but in this case it was one time that they were universal which is atleast thousands times stronger than what they are normally shown to be with nothing else backing it up to make it consistent therefore it is outlier and logically should not be used
@@FiveStarMar im not ignoring what you're saying im simply saying that jsut cause you don't tank the same universal attack a billion of times doesn't mean your durability shouldn't be on that level. you're making the assertion that because he has only been shown to ''destroy rocks or buildings'' he should only be on that level. im telling you that clearly these characters evolved in strength and making the assertion that this is an ''outlier'' doesn't really matter as it doesn't contradict anything i've provided.
@@MRForca Your wrong you do need to tank the same attack multiple times before its accepted if its consistenly contradicted like in jjba one uni feat cannot debunk 40 building feats your claiming they evolved in strength when, how, why? you did not give reason for them getting stronger plus even if they did that would be a power increase of thousands of times out of nowhere fresh out of a coma lol very unrealistic and yes what i say does contradict uni durability i made another reply and listed many contradicting feats that outweigh one uni feat plus your claiming he has infinite durability for surviving in a singularity right which is the point in a black hole where gravity and mass is infinite look up black hole feats on vsbw it states that charcters who survive singularitys are meant to be given a black hole resistance which makes more sense because jjba characters like johnny have weak physicals but crazy abilities
To keep it simple, Goku can move his body in the future instinctively to surpass time hax. I’ll agree that Jotaro does have powerful striking strength but he lacks the speed to even react to Goku honestly. If somehow he pulls off a 5 second time stop against Goku, he’d legit punch Jotaro in the face and he wouldn’t be able to perceive it.
Like a wise man once said The winner is whoever the writer decides it to be -Stan lee So if Stan decided to make Donald duck beat Thanos, than Donal duck beats Thanos, it's as simple as that So if Araki and Akira ever decided to agree on a collab they'd had to discuss whoever would win But that will never happen 🫡
Another reason why power scalers are cringe. You say jotaro can destroy infinite durability 4:54 but do you know a gun would kill pucci hence why he dodges the bullets that the short miget shot at him hence a gun has infinite damage lol. Just accept the fact no jojo character has > continental damage feat and all of their durability is not even so impressive at that. If you genuinely watched jojo stand battles is simply a battle of HAX thats all. If my hax is better than yours I would probably win.
I’ve read jojo twice and I’m telling you for a fact that jojo characters are universal and I don’t see a problem with that. Pucci dodging a bullet has nothing to do with him not being universal. He’s able to kill jotaro who destroys teeth harder than diamonds and destroys a massive part of a building. Clearly these characters are stronger than what you’re suggesting.
@@MRForca @DonJaq diamonds is < universal tho. Even yujiro can do everything you just mentioned easily so i don't get where the universal part comes in.
@DonJaq So we are just making assumptions, right? Since Goku doesn't try to kill his opponents I'ma make him High Outerversal since he is obviously way stronger than what you're implying.
Hit, a character from Dragon Ball, can also stop time, and Goku in SSJb destroyed his time pocket. He was a million times weaker then than he is now. I like JOJO but jotaro doesn't have the slightest chance
L vid , the amount of cap that you had to do to make jotaro uni is bad but saying time stop would work on goku is even more stupid because db is power>hax so it would be jotaro timestops , goku moves and straight kills him.
Well ignoring the fact that Goku is faster then light as far as the first tenkaichi budokai and he obviously is extremely faster every other arc He could do to jotaro what vegeta did to guldo a fellow time stopper
My guy... just... what? Look imma be real and say that this is at least not as braindead as people saying that Jotaro is wall level. But he is max multi island level with his rage amp, at an extremely highball small country... he is nowhere close to beating Goku. Here's what's wrong, first up Jotaro didn't react to infinite speed, I agree that Pucci can move at infinite speeds and therefore has infinite AP and dura from infinite speed due to physics. But at that point when Jotaro tried to strike him, he was only moving slightly faster than SP just so then Jotaro and the gang wouldn't have made it over to the new universe, also when Pucci reset the universe, every living being including Emporio made it over cus they didn't die, Jolyne and the gang didn't make it cus they died and were replaced by people that look similar but aren't the same. Secondly, as much as I'd love for Goataro to be able to stop Goku with TS, he just can't because Goku is already at least a 4D being and doesn't require time to fight, besides he already outscaled Hit's Time Skip and is completely durable to any time warping abilites. Thirdly, Jotaro most definitely doesn't have infinite or Uni AP I'm sorry but if he did, he would've been able to get to Egypt in a day, seeing as Stands like The Sun are seen to be the strongest from all the foes but only caps at island level due to it only being able to heat and light the Arabian Desert. Fourth and foremost, he isn't gonna just phase through Goku and rip his heart out, that's way out of character even if he's bloodlusted, that's just so out of character and I think it just disproves of Jotaro's quick thinking, all for a cheap move. But that isn't to say it's a stomp for Goku's favor, I'd say it's a 9/10 to Goku's favor. How? Well Jotaro needs to understand that Goku is waaaaaay out of his league and just get him to lower his Ki to around country level so he can just have a light spar and adapt to his strength. You see that's the real power of Jotaro. His ability to adapt, cus in EoH, yes it isn't canon, but the Jotaro there from when he defeated P3 DIO was the exact same as the one from the anime with the same abilities and stats, so how'd he overcome OH DIO? He turned into fuckin Mahoraga and said 'Nah, I'd adapt' with just a punch and one fight with OH DIO! So if Jotaro really plays his cards right, he has an incredibly small chance to win and become better than Goku in stats, not even in travel speed tho. Overall, this vid while it was enjoyable, is still a massive wank. Goku no-low diffs...
Its not close at all still. Even if Jotaro had the AP to destroy a universe he would still need to be fast, durable and have higher endurance. Goku has him beat in literally every stat besides IQ. Not to mention Goku has already tanked metaphysical erasure in BASE. Timestop is completely useless and if you gave Jotaro all the time abilites it still would be useless since Goku transcends space and time. Goku uncontrolled sneeze would kill Jotaro. Its not close at all.
Jotaro can easily go toe to toe with goku. But once goku enter ultra instinct. He will win. But Star Platinum Over Heaven Vs Goku is something that could result in jotaro winning.
Jotaro can easily go toe to toe with Buu Saga goku. But once goku enters super saiyan god. He will win. But Star Platinum Over Heaven Vs Super Saiyan God Goku is something that could result in jotaro winning.
Jotaro cannot toe to toe with Goku because he is far below Earth Shenron who is capable of blinking the JoJo verse out of existence. Over Heaven Star Platinum caps at universal with a highball while Goku is multiversal at a base level considering the scale of Universe 7. So he neg Over Heaven Dio, Star Platinum and GER before they can blink
@@raimond225 I meant that jotaro can go toe to toe with base DBZ Buu arc goku. Sorry for not specifying it. I know that after that Goku claps jotaro. But Star Platinum Over Heaven and Goku Super Saiyan God have a stalemate. And wdym? Star Platinum Over Heaven can overwrite reality and beat the world over heaven who one-shot tusk act 4 and GER at once. And tusk act 4 and GER are multi+.
@@BlackWolf_BW7 why is everyone forgetting that literally Goku becomes infinity stronger in literally every arc he’s in especially during top and current manga Goku literally uses ui in base now and can now switch to mui or true ui anytime he wants not to mention the multiple statements of dbs characters being able to surpass time itself
Actually Jotaro has a better edge over Goku. You can see how smart and tactical Jotaro is, and he outsmarts his enemies all the time (except for Pucci as he got cornered with his daughter). Goku is a skilled fighter, BUT is cocky and underestimates his enemy. He lets his guard down too quickly whenever his enemy is down. And even got shot by a freaking laser gun and died in resurrection of F lmao. Anyone who watches Jojo, its an anime that will make your brains squeezed out and you know how good these characters outsmarting there enemy. Jotaro will take advantage of Goku's saiyan ego and letting his guard down for underestimating him.
Tf are you talking about. First off. You already know whatever your saying is re+arded when no one likes it BUT likes the comment under it saying your wrong. It doesn't matter at all. Secondly. I LOVE how every time people do these what ifs ever other character is blood lusted and ready to fight but Goku is always "letting his guard down" as if he does it in every single first (he doesn't just in case you've never seen the show or you're just too stupid to know that) Thirdly. They aren't even close in terms of power. At BEST over wanked jotaro scales to continent level and even higher jerk off, PLANETARY.. CONGRATULATIONS that means he'd still lose to NAMEK SAGA GOKU. dumbasses. 🤦🏾♂️ I'm convinced some of us aren't fully done evolving there's so cavemen with phones because if you TRULY knew wtf you were saying that would mean jotaro scales multi universal+ and For that to be true no fight in JJBA should've been difficult at all Y'all are all special babies
Its literally a time hax, thats all it is. You say he HAD to have endrured it but there is no proof of that to be the case, it makes more sense that his stand just negated all the effects sinse it part of its abillity. And to claim Jotaro is uni+ is absurd when he got stabbed by a nurse, or potentialy harmed by knives. Nothing suggests he is anything more. And to say otherwise is literally a contradiction to most stuff we see in the show. So this supports the fact that puccis abillity is just a time hax. Same logic also applies to your claim of infinite reaction time, which again he gets caught by shit all the time. Like a fucking rat was able to harm him. Now you could make the same claim for Goku. But he has ki control, which he can lower at will and be basically human. Jotaro has no such thing. So he straight up got harmed by everything we see. Nice try though.
Jojo is over rated reason why people say it op cuz they are stupid on scale and not knowing how ger or tusk work making stuff up jojo verse can 100% be solo with a gun and I dare people come to debate with me about this cuz they all say stuff like the stand silver chariot block a light beam from the sun so he light speed I mean batman did the same
Yah I’m gonna say this is cap so just to tell you probably expect a debunking on this not from me but definitely from someone else edit-I’m sorry but saying that it is shared feat 🤨 doesn’t mean anything it could literally matter less if it was it’s still feat regardless I don’t see jojo doing that
For people who say Jotaro doesn't have infinite strength, Jotaro never ever reached a limiit while punching mountains and the such away. SP was always easily capable of doing so, without ever struggling, meaning he was holding back. Jotaro, without holding back, has enough strength to destroy the universe, even though he didn't ever try that because he's a good guy and didn't want to destroy the world
You seem to misunderstand physics, and it does not help when you try to make arguments based on physics. I know we're talking about fiction and fantastical abilities, but there is no such thing as "infinite reaction speed". Speed here would be a rate if change over time (that is distance/time). To say that reaction speed is infinite, is to say that the time component is 0, which renders the concept meaningless. If we go with the big crunch in JoJo, it doesn't make sense to day that Pucchi has infinite durability since he "withstood" the new Big Bang with infinite density. That's not how it works. Literally everything would be in the signularity, including Pucchi. So by whatever method he transported himself to the new universe, it wasn't that he just "tanked" the imploding universe, that is an oversimplification. Also, your argument about Made in Heavens speed being infinite not having anything to do with him accelerating time is just wrong. It's very obvious that his Stand doesn't literally move at infinite speed normally, because then there wouldn't be a fight. He also gets faster throughout the fight as time accelerates making them definitely linked. I don't understand how you misunderstand this, but speed is distance per unit time, so if he speeds up time for himself he gets faster compared to everyone else, because more units of time pass for him. If he actually moved with infinite speed, he would have infinite energy, which he clearly doesn't.
@@MRForca That just seems like a dodge to me. It's not even that much and it directly disproves many of your core arguments, but whatever. I'll make a shorter critique then. You argue that Silver Chariot is way faster than The Hanged Man, but the entire point of how Polnareff hit The Hanged Man was that he predicted his trajectory, specifically BECAUSE he wasn't able to keep up with The Hanged Man's speed.
Since this video is getting alot of traction and alot of people are starting to disagree with it. i will debate literally anyone on this topic just reply to this comment with your discord. Voice only
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@@Yofadofa damn
Vairo#1114
After seeing how even Jobber was able to handle you I think I’ll do just fine. Let’s establish a time and get to the call.
@@nighfinite you're a troll
@@nighfinite added
Who tf let bro cook💀
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I watched through the whole video and it was like a try not to laugh challenge, jotaro is no where near close to universal, I have never seen someone high ball Jotaro to this ridiculous extent 💀💀💀💀
if you did watch the entire video throughout. explain how what i said was wrong.
@@MRForcaignore these losers.
Y’all only used bog scaling for goku instead of current manga Goku and the fact y’all didn’t even explain the true scale of the dbs universe. Not to mention y’all forget about all the times people who Goku scales to who have beaten or outright have been stated to surpass time itself. Y’all didn’t even mention how much stronger Goku has gotten through the series not to mention y’all forgot about mui or true ui. While I agree that jojo is universal the literal size of dbs universe is in the most literal sense infinitely bigger than the jojo’s. Not to mention that goku’s durability to withstand attacks and ki attacks that have power to destroy the entire universe and beyond that on a constant basis.
@@kameronjones8932 it's because we know that manga goku shoots jotaro out of existence. I think jotaro can, at best fight Buu saga base Goku.
Bro , goku base in SAIYAN SAGA LITRREALLY ASS WIPES JOTARO ITS NOT CLOSE THEY CANNOT EVEN FIGHT@@BlackWolf_BW7
bro is stretching jotaro way too far 💀💀
nah. i've always had him like this but now i just go in-depth on why he is that strong
@@MRForca I don't think he has infinite strength at best he is county level
@@MemeBossOG watch the video fully. i literally go in-depth on why he's that strong but in order for you to understand why he's that strong you have to listen to the reasoning.
@@MRForcai agree with everything except durability neg and infinite AP, saying jotaro has infinite ap is ridiculous. If this was the case everyone in the verse has infinite durability as their bodies had also survived the infinite heat but we know that to not be true. lets assume that he does have infinite ap, this would still be countered by the fact that his foes dont get one shot so unless you're saying that steely dan has infinite durability idk how jotaro has
steely dan has nothing to do with jotaro in part 6 tf? also how ca nyou disagree with dura neg its BLATANYL obvious. i even showed him doing it tf?. @@MemeBossOG
I get it. This is just a very elaborate joke video, good work my guy.
You’re funny
Also wtf why are you scaling the fucking speed from the macrcoosm just legit use the feat where goku was able to traverse infinte hell in a few seconds or use the feat where he was able to move faster than someone at instant speed but ig y’all gotta lowball to make this a fair match
Fr
Brother is conducting a whole ass circus on it.
Even a JoJo meat rider like me has enough braincells to know jotaro stands no chance
Watch the video fully then speak.
@@MRForca Why would I watch a video that is blatantly wrong
@@Yofadofa so you decided to comment on a video to meat munch without seeing the logic and reasoning? im tellin you right now if you've watched the whole video you would have a change of opinion.
@@MRForca The video is just objectively wrong, Delete it.
@@MRForcaYeah, you're special. Watched the full thing. This is beyond idiotic.
It is NOT closer than you think. goku scales above arale who can essentially run thru time and transcend her narrative in a r/f fuction on an infinitely loop even if you want to downplay goku to low multi he still slams all of jojo with no higher dimensional scaling. Cool video tho
Goku doesn’t scale above arale idk who told you that. The only interaction they’ve had was outside canon versions. Also low multi isn’t really a downscale if you think about that. Thx for commenting and hopefully you’ve watched the video
@@MRForca Outside canon versions? dr slump and it's chronology is canon to the events to super lmao dr muhito who's also transcended the narrative and all those character traits events still pertained within dragon ball super Also in the anime version goku>beerus>arales gags that she exhibits and power
you're silly@@Azaezael3948
@@MRForca I belive arale is also in db Manga. Also the map of earth in db has penguin island, where arale lives
@@senpai5175 wasn’t aware
Wow this video is Amazinf and very informative I can’t believe the outcome was that Close!! (Help me he had a Gun)
Very amazing am i right??
(Help he has my famimy i just want to see them)
This video is so amazing and informative with nothing wrong at all
(Please help. I've been locked inside his basement for months now. I haven't seen my family or the light in months. I hear them screaming help)
Goku - multiversal and can neg hax of characters far weaker than him
Jotaro - building level, can stop time which is useless against goku
Yeah no this isnt close at all, goku neg difs jotaro and one shots the entire verse
"useless against goku" is it? Goku has no way to focus his ki/stay on guard while he's frozen and unconcious, any hit from Jotaro would be fatal in such a condition, shown as Goku got pierced by lasers when he wasn't focusing his ki.
@@flashxmlfirst of all goku from the Moro arc left himself completely open for a attack from morro and that broke his arm if jotaro tried punching him his arm would be shattered your also forgetting goku has been shown that he can just brute force through anything really
And also it’s not focusing his key it’s simply that he let his guard down focusing key and putting your guard up and down are 2 completely seperate things
what? no lol goku WAS on guard when moro struck him. @@lelmaster377
focusing ki is what gives goku his immense durability, did you never read your own show. @@lelmaster377
If Jotaro is this strong how has he struggled against anybody in the series
And if you watch JoJo, bro is still human, he nearly dies to a car crash when the car stand in part 3 hits them
He uses planes and cars
The sun stand which was making the desert at a maximum of 80 degrees C was too hot for these guys
And looking at the feats of Jotaro, the best one I can think of is when he breaks through the ‘diamond teeth’ of the stand that manifests itself into materials
And with all the power, Pucci should have beat Emporio easily, weather report isn’t said to be a stand with a lot of physical strength yet Emporio gives Pucci the Ora Ora treatment
And Pucci is human as well, even after this stuff I’ve said about Jotaro, Pucci is making sure bro doesn’t hit him, like when he makes sure even in his times too he won’t him because he threw knives at Jolyne
And even before Pucci had MiH, Jotaro punches Pucci when Jotaro first shows up in Florida but it doesn’t kill him or seem like that bad of an injury, he just gets punched through the glass wall
So unless Araki is just
contradicting everything about Jotaro and basically every character in the series who’s opposed him and he’s actually a being that can destroy planets with ease, the idea doesn’t stand but good job trying to make an attempt because I could not do that
And if we’re going this deep into science stuff *that I’m sure Araki was thinking of* , how does anyone survive the universe reset, everyone should have died including Pucci because there would be no oxygen in the end or just a deadly chance of being injured for everyone especially Emporio, how did lil bro survive
Also Pucci gets hurt by a damn piano
But I’ve got some realistic ideas of stands against Goku
-Heavens door
-Could anyone actually hurt Golden Experince Requiem
-MIH in a race against Goku
(I’m not gonna lie I went through the whole video again to make sure you weren’t trolling and that I didn’t look like an absolute idiot)
Bro Jaq got real quite
Funny how he will respond to small comments like mine but when he gets one like this he ignores it
ur right at jotaro but pucci is more than a human and pucci is not just fast like flash he's way beyond that mih is able to use the gravitational power of not just the earth but the whole universe to increase the speed of time that means that pucci is the center of gravity or more like the center of the universe he's literally being a walking blackhole but more beyond that since blackhole can't affect the whole universe but yea pucci with complete mih is literally at unstoppable force and in mih stats it was shown that pucci had the speed of god himself imagine how op is that
@@puccilion he speeds up everything which is said by the show but everything else you just said is speculation and is never said but I kind of see where you’re coming from but I don’t remember any explanation for everything floating
Regardless, he still tries to avoid Jotaro even when he got MiH and when everything was going fast, and as we’ve just proven how Star Platinum isn’t some planet busting being, with your explanation, Pucci should not be caring about Jotaro
He goes out of his way so that even during his time stop, Jotaro can’t get to him by throwing knives at Jolyne
Also against Emporio he gets damaged by a damn *Piano* which I find really funny
And unless we’re also saying weather report and Emporio are planet destroying monsters, they beat the hell out of Pucci like any other stand would and weather report isn’t even a stand of strength
@@puccilion isnt pucci a literal human but his stand just gives him inhuman abilities?
LOL it’s miraculous that the pure amount of Jojo glazing on this channel hasn’t broken the internet yet.
Goku can obliterate the multiverse by blinking and some mfer out there's gonna make a video like this
he can't but alright
@@MRForca because he’s never been shown to right so deer for he’s not capable of it 🤡
yes ur right @@Gameing-and-otherstuff
goku has feats in caption not in screen@@Gameing-and-otherstuff
That’s terrible logic
the reason Goku was unable to completely erase Zamasu is because he uses Mia as a shield. this is literally in the next few chapters you go your cans from lol. why lie?
Low multi???? Are you forgetting about the scans literally showing the afterlife to be a non temporal area and are you also forgetting about even more scans showing that the concept of time doesn’t exist within the otherworld which would scale it atleast into one layer into outer but because the layers of the realm you’ve shown makes the afterlife at the top it would scale atleast 3 layers just saying
the concept of time statement is a figure of speech. the statement itself gets contradicted ALOT also the same space exist inside of the universe. watch the full video and if you disagreed wit hthe dragon ball side of the video you can always take this up with my friend tamakii who DID the dragon ball side
Nah it’s not really considering goku tried to stay out of ssj3 for as long as possible whilst outside the realm also even in the afterlife never once have we seen anyone grow even for king Kai before death which was Saiyan saga-cel saga and also the fact that it’s not space it’s just a void considering the endless space only applies to the universe because it was talking about the universe and also the fact that the afterlife was stated to be transcendent over the mortal realms which would also include the endless space considering it’s the mortal realm but I’ll be glad to take it up lol
What’s tamakii’s disc I’ll be glad to take it up
@@hopeeee_.-lollll as said. the guy who did the dragon ball part of the video is in the description. go talk to him
his discord is tamakii_@@hopeeee_.-lollll
What's next, Josuke vs Beerus is a wash?
Jotaro aint even city level💀
Nah maybe country level
@@King_maximum4id argue city level man
@@Another-Donut No he's at least mountain level at max, city level is down playing
you forgot about hax?
Island level, man doesn't have feats but Stands like Silver Chariot and Heavy Weather do
Is this a joke vid ? Even earth shenron stomp Jojoverse with no diff
watch the full video
@@MRForca I've watched the video. All the stuff 4th dimensional universal JoJo are nonsense, unless you use Dio Over Heaven who is possibly 4d. Jotaro and GER both max out at city level with reality warping. While Earth Shenron can restore planets with a thought and can manipulate fate, life and death etc. Jotaro get stomped like a bug. Current Goku thunderclaps Comp Jojo in base form
i know you didn't watch the video because NOBODY mentioned dio over heaven or ger@@raimond225
@@MRForca Did not state you referred to GER and Dio Over Heaven. I meant the Universal Jotaro is just nonsense. Plus Goku was able to block Hit's invisible phase attacks like Jiren and scales beyond SSJ2 Gohan he blocked a destructo disk which negates durability. Pls educate yourself on both characters before making such video
@@raimond225 " While Earth Shenron can restore planets with a thought and can manipulate fate, life and death etc." Only with a wish
So if star platinum is uni then tw is uni right so the world kicking jotaro at full power making jotaros flesh and bones uni right? same body that gets hurt by bullets and gasoline thrown at high speeds right? if star platinum is uni then chariot is also uni since they fight at full force since jotaro admits he cant hold back on pollnareff which makes diavolo's own body uni since he could take a full force strike from chariot if diavolo is uni in durability and kc should be too so how come they both get hurt by a rock shot at high speeds that only destroys a wall? ok so that makes stinky fingers uni since he can harm kc same stand gets two of its attacks eaten by pescis brother and remember bruno was trying to kill them there was no holding back so pescis brother who gets killed by a train running him over is also uni huh? i could go on for so long bruh but i wont and i will hope that you understand that all of these weak feats outweigh the one outlier uni feat. i think jojo is cool verse in fact i always root for jjba characters but this is just a dumb video man araki CLEARY does NOT want his charters to be absurdly strong like you claim they are.
Jotaro is easily multi continental and 1400X the speed of light, but he is not universal, or any stat being infinite in like the creator said so.
half way through the video right now.
Did you finish and if so what did you think 🧐
I'm a big jojo fan, but I also watch dbs and this is just wrong. If Jotaro had strength even close to Goku, Jotaro would've just one shotted every villain instead of ora ora-ing them. This is because even in base form, dbs Goku has universal strength and let me explain: when goku first got super saiyan god, his clashes with Beerus threatened to the destroy the entire universe, this included the afterlife realm which was a place devoid of the concept of space and time. Even somebody watching the fight (Forgot their name) said "If you got any closer to the fight, you'd be disintegrated" or something along the lines of that. Disintegration means obliteration on a subatomic level. Goku then learned how to channel his super saiyan god ki into his base form. Whilst Jotaro's greatest strength feats is star platinum being able to destroy diamonds and his punches said to be like getting hit by a truck. This also means Goku could bypass Jotaro's time stop since it's hax potency is only universal. I say this because Goku was able to surpass hit's time manipulation abilities due to his power surpassing it's hax potency.
JoJo high ball, DBZ MEGA lowball. This is wild. Video is clearly engagement bait, so fair play.
who let bro in the kitchen?
as an average Jojo fan I have to say that jotaro ain't doing shit against goku the only mfs who maybe can defeat him are wou pucci with complete mih funny Valentine and green baby
Your understanding of powerscaling isn’t good if you think what I said in the video was wrong. I highly recommend watching the video fully
@@MRForca ur logic is stupid just because he doesnt agree with ur scaling doesnt mean he is a terrible power scaler
@@MRForca power>hax maybe if you knew how db works you would know.
Watch how they don't scale goku in T.O.P because you can easily give him infinity speed and beyond with him and jiren shaking the infinity void
the actual translation says eternal void, not infinite, dragon ball fans never watched their own show.
the "infinite void" is a mistranslation.
@@flashxml Bro eternal still means "lasting or existing forever; without end"
@@flashxml bruh, both could mean "never-ending"
@@flashxmlplease walk into the ocean and don't look back with braincells like that
eternal refers to time what do you mean never ending. @@HullsColby
This was an enjoyable video and while I do disagree with outcome as I think Goku slams I hope y’all continue to do content 🔥🔥🔥
thanks goat
Sorry,but if jotaro vs Pucci made u think that jotaro had infinite reaction time, u watched it with Ur Eyes closed
I guess this means a rat is universal too based on your goofy ahh logic 🤦♂️
Bro no way this title is meant to be serious😭
Next video will be "Why Remy the Rat vs Goku is closer than you think"
Hirohiko Araki : *Forget a little detail cause he is pretty old*
Jaqcole : *Took the missing detail too seriously*
stand ability: Truth
buddy you glazing too much. @@MRForca
Time stop does not affect Goku,jiren was stated to be above time itself and goku is objectilvly stronger than him,so jotaros main win con does not affect Goku
Lol Macrocasm is Infinite what was those MFtl bull calc
14:16 king Kai confirms Goku can force his way into the future giving him immeasurable speed making him too fast for jotaro’s time stop. Goku destroys
It’s a mistranslation. The context is referring to the fact that he’s able to predict hits time skip
@@MRForcayes for the Early fight against hit goku predict hit movements but on his rematch against hit goku power so strong that he forces himself to enter hit time skip ability and also jiren the man who possessed the power that transcend time itself and the same dude got beaten by goku in 1v1 before out of gas ..I don't think that's mistranslation either GOKU SLAMS
@@MRForcaif you disagree do more research or rewatch the show...
@@MRForcayou said if ki and stand is the same GOKU would over power him anyway goku ki is massive and manga goku he can now use his UI in base also his supersaiyan forms so its not even close dude goku power is stacked arc after arc...
I'd argue Jotaro is multiversal because Pucci, in the final fight against Emporio, started accelerating time again, meaning he could eventually destroy the universe at least a second time, making him multiversal, and because Jotaro could damage him, he is multiversal as well. That's just an idea. Let it sink in for a bit
He doesn’t use strength to destroy the universe it’s his ability
An ability, it doesn’t involve actual power
Bro Biden, Putin and the other rulers can destroy an entire country using their nuclear weaponry with the push of a button. Seeing as I could theoretically beat these guys up in a fight, that makes me a country buster with just my pinky. Let it sink in for a bit
Imagine what I could do at full power
If I could break 1 single brick 2, 5, 10 separate times, it doesn’t mean I can break 2, 5, or 10 bricks at once so it’s still at best High Uni (infinite 3-D) to Uni+ with this high balled interpretation of JoJo scaling
@@UtilisedDrink
Power and Strength are two different words.
Power implies abilities you learn or obtain from evolution or other means.
Strength implies muscles and work you get from straining your body.
So, it technically DOES involve actual power.
@@ZennonTheOne bro expecting the db fan to know anything about hax or ability 💀
I am one of the biggest JoJo fans you will ever meet, but Jotaro stands zero chance against Goku. Writing wise, Jotaro slams. In a fight? Jotaro loses with Goku having zero difficulty. Stop yapping and delete your channel.
Would you like to debate it? He’s on discord
@@nighfinite i don't need to debate it, I have a brain
@@noonespecialtbh With such confidence this should be the easiest debate of your life. Vairo#1114 I can send you the link or check out the link in the description to his server.
Bro relax. You're arguing and gelling someone to delete their channel over cartoons. I hope you know that. They are cartoons
Jotaro can stop time infinitely and still wouldn't be able to leave a scratch on Goku. He can hit Goku with everything he has and he will sustain 0 damage.
although time stop is a very good ability, Jotaro just cant react to how fast Goku moves, he could barely keep up with Pucci when Made In Heaven was just created, along with a RAT being able to deduce the weakness of Jotaro's time stop. Goku has a history of finding his opponent's weaknesses as well as being able to move in frozen/skipped time and predict where his opponent would be in the future.
Sounds a lot like the old combo of cap 'n' cope to me that is some bs
Never let bro cook again
Nothing wrong with the vid
@@MRForca everything is wrong , never cook again you burned my kitchen to dust.
kid goku after beating dkp washing 90% of the jjba verse
ok this is a stretch
@@Another-Donut namek saga*
4:47 this is wrong for multiple reasons. 1. Cell was stated to have infinite and bottomless battle power. 2. Infinite 3D strength is uni+. Goku is low multi in base due to the beerus feat. This isn’t close
Strength isn’t really the closer in here. Watch the vid fully
Goku has that much strength/durability because of Ki. However, without ki, as Whis said in the manga, the body becomes very fragile. Jotaro can bypass Goku's ki barrier which makes him that durable and destroy his heart, even if he just has mountain level AP
Bro how would jotaro bypass KI Barrier gove more context.@@gio.gionosakan
@@cloverkingdom6341 stands aren't physical, they are the manifestation of one's fighting spirit while Ki is a form of physical energy
@@MRForca cool that doesn’t negate cell. Since he has infinite strength and in dragon ball scale to each other, he’d have infinite speed as well
i was wondering who'd win Chiaotzu or jotaro (probably Chiaotzu since 100 pl is enough for planetary scale)
what i learned today
Infinite Power = high diff at destroying diamonds
Infinite Speed = about 20km/h (SP is fast but Jotaro himself cant dodge shit)
Infinite Durability = Knive level
Peak Jotaro is really just city block level at best in terms of raw power
Jotaro vs Namek Saga Goku is close. A goku with SSGSS and Ultra Instinct under his belt, let alone kaioken or Super Saiyan, is just nuclear bomb vs crying baby
Keep going king 🗣
Puchi does not have infinite defense because the restarting of the universe doesn't hurt anyone including Emporio.
The restarting of the universe doesn't heal, hurt or change anything alive just replace the dead. So Jotaro doesn't need much power to hurt him.
Also it's pretty clear by Jotaro's usual targets that he doesn't have enough power to destroy citys or planets, which are both easier to destroy than infinity.
Also I'm pretty sure Goku has enough poison resistance to tough out the oxygen poisoning that Emporio pulled to kill Puchi, Goku would just smack you for that.
How can a person have infinite defense with weak poison resistance?
The only scenario where I think Jotaro could win is if for Goku to exist with his power in the jojo verse he would need the use of stand, similar to how tonio was so passionate and good at cooking he developed a stand, and that would make him vulnerable to star platinum. Otherwise Jotaro loses
Lol this nigha on such a big BS .
Namek Goku blitz the verse
say you didn't watch the vid man
@@MRForca I did watch the speed calc atleast . Which is cap ofc .
Jotaro is nowhere close in any category
Strength, speed , dura , abilities , combat , hax .... against Goku .
While Low mukti is Downplaying Goku ( Jotaro doesn't even comes close to Planetary in Ap lmao )
so you only watched the speed calc but you can already make the assertion that the ENTIRE vid is wrong? please shut up lmfao@@wcom9999
@@MRForcaain't watching obvious bullcrap .
It was never close , never will be .
Even low balling the fuc out of DB Goku is Complex multi ( which is severe lowball )
Even tho I disagree with such a highball of Jotaro, I really feel sorry for the author of the video watching all the comments. My man just likes a certain character and wants to stop all that "Jotaro is a building level fodder" thing. I mean, do DB fans really think that THEY don't highball Goku? Sure at some moments your character shakes the Universe or something, but in others he can't move a fighter with nothing but a steel chest even in Super form. The inconsistency isn't less wild than what was said here.
IMO if there was an OFFICIAL fight between Goku and Jotaro's Star Platinum, they'd be equalized in terms of strength, speed and durability somewhere in city-block level so that the fight would be cool and long. And of course, the winner is whoever the authors decide
Idk how tf can jotaro get pass the immense ki barrier
Edit: this is current shit and you're usingbig goku. Why not put kid goku where goku have immense gag hax to tank sniper shot without ki barrier and breathe to space ? Also ability to speed up until he disappear and break manga panel since were stretching jotaro into oblivion lets use gag goku to solo jotaro
Stop.
jotaro vs goku is not closer than you think
All other calcs for this verse contradict universal only a mere one feat makes this verse uni if one universal feat happens but forty building feats happen the uni feat is considered outlier and will not be used which is similar too whats happening here even you should agree that building level and town level feats are more provable and consistent
i don't think so. characters are far stronger than what has been shown i literally jsut show an example.
@@MRForca You completely ignored what I said yes they are stronger than shown sometimes but in this case it was one time that they were universal which is atleast thousands times stronger than what they are normally shown to be with nothing else backing it up to make it consistent therefore it is outlier and logically should not be used
@@FiveStarMar im not ignoring what you're saying im simply saying that jsut cause you don't tank the same universal attack a billion of times doesn't mean your durability shouldn't be on that level. you're making the assertion that because he has only been shown to ''destroy rocks or buildings'' he should only be on that level. im telling you that clearly these characters evolved in strength and making the assertion that this is an ''outlier'' doesn't really matter as it doesn't contradict anything i've provided.
@@MRForca Your wrong you do need to tank the same attack multiple times before its accepted if its consistenly contradicted like in jjba one uni feat cannot debunk 40 building feats your claiming they evolved in strength when, how, why? you did not give reason for them getting stronger plus even if they did that would be a power increase of thousands of times out of nowhere fresh out of a coma lol very unrealistic and yes what i say does contradict uni durability i made another reply and listed many contradicting feats that outweigh one uni feat plus your claiming he has infinite durability for surviving in a singularity right which is the point in a black hole where gravity and mass is infinite look up black hole feats on vsbw it states that charcters who survive singularitys are meant to be given a black hole resistance which makes more sense because jjba characters like johnny have weak physicals but crazy abilities
@@MRForca Can you tell when uni jojo is proven more than once and backed up?
To keep it simple, Goku can move his body in the future instinctively to surpass time hax. I’ll agree that Jotaro does have powerful striking strength but he lacks the speed to even react to Goku honestly. If somehow he pulls off a 5 second time stop against Goku, he’d legit punch Jotaro in the face and he wouldn’t be able to perceive it.
Saying natsu is close to goku would make much more sense
Like a wise man once said
The winner is whoever the writer decides it to be
-Stan lee
So if Stan decided to make Donald duck beat Thanos, than Donal duck beats Thanos, it's as simple as that
So if Araki and Akira ever decided to agree on a collab they'd had to discuss whoever would win
But that will never happen 🫡
what the fuck aint goku can jus move in ts
Uhhh idk about this one chief. I don’t even think jotaro could beat gt goku💀
GT Goku George Floyd’s Super Goku. I think you meant to say kid Goku from OG Dragon Ball.
Damn all us Dragonball fans getting mad at a stupid ass video
Another reason why power scalers are cringe.
You say jotaro can destroy infinite durability 4:54 but do you know a gun would kill pucci hence why he dodges the bullets that the short miget shot at him hence a gun has infinite damage lol. Just accept the fact no jojo character has
> continental damage feat and all of their durability is not even so impressive at that. If you genuinely watched jojo stand battles is simply a battle of HAX thats all. If my hax is better than yours I would probably win.
I’ve read jojo twice and I’m telling you for a fact that jojo characters are universal and I don’t see a problem with that. Pucci dodging a bullet has nothing to do with him not being universal. He’s able to kill jotaro who destroys teeth harder than diamonds and destroys a massive part of a building. Clearly these characters are stronger than what you’re suggesting.
@@MRForca @DonJaq diamonds is < universal tho. Even yujiro can do everything you just mentioned easily so i don't get where the universal part comes in.
@DonJaq So we are just making assumptions, right? Since Goku doesn't try to kill his opponents I'ma make him High Outerversal since he is obviously way stronger than what you're implying.
Hit, a character from Dragon Ball, can also stop time, and Goku in SSJb destroyed his time pocket. He was a million times weaker then than he is now. I like JOJO but jotaro doesn't have the slightest chance
L vid , the amount of cap that you had to do to make jotaro uni is bad but saying time stop would work on goku is even more stupid because db is power>hax so it would be jotaro timestops , goku moves and straight kills him.
we can debate this
@@MRForca No.
W vid from the goat forca
Goated Video🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂
Jotaro can stop time and crush Goku
Simple as that
But he has to be in range, and if he misses his chance Goku can counter attack
Pucci feat is honestly an outlier and would prob only scale to him
Well ignoring the fact that Goku is faster then light as far as the first tenkaichi budokai and he obviously is extremely faster every other arc
He could do to jotaro what vegeta did to guldo a fellow time stopper
Goku solos but the editing is fire asf 🔥 💯
Goku is basically superman in the anime world. Jotaro has some hax but does he really come close to goku?
watch the vid
yea i cant get through 6 minutes of this im not finish this video
My guy... just... what? Look imma be real and say that this is at least not as braindead as people saying that Jotaro is wall level. But he is max multi island level with his rage amp, at an extremely highball small country... he is nowhere close to beating Goku. Here's what's wrong, first up Jotaro didn't react to infinite speed, I agree that Pucci can move at infinite speeds and therefore has infinite AP and dura from infinite speed due to physics. But at that point when Jotaro tried to strike him, he was only moving slightly faster than SP just so then Jotaro and the gang wouldn't have made it over to the new universe, also when Pucci reset the universe, every living being including Emporio made it over cus they didn't die, Jolyne and the gang didn't make it cus they died and were replaced by people that look similar but aren't the same. Secondly, as much as I'd love for Goataro to be able to stop Goku with TS, he just can't because Goku is already at least a 4D being and doesn't require time to fight, besides he already outscaled Hit's Time Skip and is completely durable to any time warping abilites. Thirdly, Jotaro most definitely doesn't have infinite or Uni AP I'm sorry but if he did, he would've been able to get to Egypt in a day, seeing as Stands like The Sun are seen to be the strongest from all the foes but only caps at island level due to it only being able to heat and light the Arabian Desert. Fourth and foremost, he isn't gonna just phase through Goku and rip his heart out, that's way out of character even if he's bloodlusted, that's just so out of character and I think it just disproves of Jotaro's quick thinking, all for a cheap move.
But that isn't to say it's a stomp for Goku's favor, I'd say it's a 9/10 to Goku's favor. How? Well Jotaro needs to understand that Goku is waaaaaay out of his league and just get him to lower his Ki to around country level so he can just have a light spar and adapt to his strength. You see that's the real power of Jotaro. His ability to adapt, cus in EoH, yes it isn't canon, but the Jotaro there from when he defeated P3 DIO was the exact same as the one from the anime with the same abilities and stats, so how'd he overcome OH DIO? He turned into fuckin Mahoraga and said 'Nah, I'd adapt' with just a punch and one fight with OH DIO! So if Jotaro really plays his cards right, he has an incredibly small chance to win and become better than Goku in stats, not even in travel speed tho.
Overall, this vid while it was enjoyable, is still a massive wank. Goku no-low diffs...
Bait used to be believable
watchh the video fully its not bait
This video is a whole lot of yapping just to be wrong. Infinite durability and power based off damaging pucci goes beyond the memes of Araki forgot.
Its not close at all still. Even if Jotaro had the AP to destroy a universe he would still need to be fast, durable and have higher endurance. Goku has him beat in literally every stat besides IQ. Not to mention Goku has already tanked metaphysical erasure in BASE. Timestop is completely useless and if you gave Jotaro all the time abilites it still would be useless since Goku transcends space and time. Goku uncontrolled sneeze would kill Jotaro. Its not close at all.
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Sorry but yall are exaggerating saying jotaro can beat goku
W vid
Thx man
Now if it was tusk act four than it would be interesting
ill make that later
@@MRForca cuz I’m pretty sure that tusk act four is 5d at least
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@@6Angello1 Ger still wins
Goatku >>>>> Gaytaro
Jotaro can easily go toe to toe with goku. But once goku enter ultra instinct. He will win. But Star Platinum Over Heaven Vs Goku is something that could result in jotaro winning.
My guy fyi base goku slams jotaru 💀🙏 but yeh jotaro over heaven slams goku
@@Goatkusolos556 jotaro over heaven is not touching jotaro, not even overheaven dio touching goku
@@Orizln Dio Over heaven beats most of fiction
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@@Yofadofa u gotta be playing
Finna get the nitro ngl
Jotaro can easily go toe to toe with Buu Saga goku. But once goku enters super saiyan god. He will win. But Star Platinum Over Heaven Vs Super Saiyan God Goku is something that could result in jotaro winning.
What are u smoking, bud?
@@senpai5175 nothing. Why say that?
Jotaro cannot toe to toe with Goku because he is far below Earth Shenron who is capable of blinking the JoJo verse out of existence.
Over Heaven Star Platinum caps at universal with a highball while Goku is multiversal at a base level considering the scale of Universe 7. So he neg Over Heaven Dio, Star Platinum and GER before they can blink
@@raimond225 I meant that jotaro can go toe to toe with base DBZ Buu arc goku. Sorry for not specifying it. I know that after that Goku claps jotaro. But Star Platinum Over Heaven and Goku Super Saiyan God have a stalemate.
And wdym? Star Platinum Over Heaven can overwrite reality and beat the world over heaven who one-shot tusk act 4 and GER at once. And tusk act 4 and GER are multi+.
@@BlackWolf_BW7 why is everyone forgetting that literally Goku becomes infinity stronger in literally every arc he’s in especially during top and current manga Goku literally uses ui in base now and can now switch to mui or true ui anytime he wants not to mention the multiple statements of dbs characters being able to surpass time itself
Actually Jotaro has a better edge over Goku. You can see how smart and tactical Jotaro is, and he outsmarts his enemies all the time (except for Pucci as he got cornered with his daughter). Goku is a skilled fighter, BUT is cocky and underestimates his enemy. He lets his guard down too quickly whenever his enemy is down. And even got shot by a freaking laser gun and died in resurrection of F lmao. Anyone who watches Jojo, its an anime that will make your brains squeezed out and you know how good these characters outsmarting there enemy. Jotaro will take advantage of Goku's saiyan ego and letting his guard down for underestimating him.
That's because he didn't realise sorbet was even there because of how weak sorbet was, he had already beaten the crap out of frieza at that point
Tf are you talking about. First off. You already know whatever your saying is re+arded when no one likes it BUT likes the comment under it saying your wrong. It doesn't matter at all. Secondly. I LOVE how every time people do these what ifs ever other character is blood lusted and ready to fight but Goku is always "letting his guard down" as if he does it in every single first (he doesn't just in case you've never seen the show or you're just too stupid to know that)
Thirdly. They aren't even close in terms of power. At BEST over wanked jotaro scales to continent level and even higher jerk off, PLANETARY..
CONGRATULATIONS that means he'd still lose to NAMEK SAGA GOKU. dumbasses. 🤦🏾♂️ I'm convinced some of us aren't fully done evolving there's so cavemen with phones because if you TRULY knew wtf you were saying that would mean jotaro scales multi universal+ and For that to be true no fight in JJBA should've been difficult at all
Y'all are all special babies
ui appears , jotaro dies.
Its literally a time hax, thats all it is. You say he HAD to have endrured it but there is no proof of that to be the case, it makes more sense that his stand just negated all the effects sinse it part of its abillity.
And to claim Jotaro is uni+ is absurd when he got stabbed by a nurse, or potentialy harmed by knives. Nothing suggests he is anything more. And to say otherwise is literally a contradiction to most stuff we see in the show. So this supports the fact that puccis abillity is just a time hax. Same logic also applies to your claim of infinite reaction time, which again he gets caught by shit all the time. Like a fucking rat was able to harm him.
Now you could make the same claim for Goku. But he has ki control, which he can lower at will and be basically human. Jotaro has no such thing. So he straight up got harmed by everything we see.
Nice try though.
You should wait to post this in april fools, nice joke vid.
I know how to end this debate: CC Goku vs Jotaro. CC goku wins!
Jojo is over rated reason why people say it op cuz they are stupid on scale and not knowing how ger or tusk work making stuff up jojo verse can 100% be solo with a gun and I dare people come to debate with me about this cuz they all say stuff like the stand silver chariot block a light beam from the sun so he light speed I mean batman did the same
Yah I’m gonna say this is cap so just to tell you probably expect a debunking on this not from me but definitely from someone else edit-I’m sorry but saying that it is shared feat 🤨 doesn’t mean anything it could literally matter less if it was it’s still feat regardless I don’t see jojo doing that
will gladly take the debunk.
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People hate DB so much anyone has a chance by folks logic. Heavy cope in this video
Goku speed scale lowballed icl. Everthing else is ight
For people who say Jotaro doesn't have infinite strength, Jotaro never ever reached a limiit while punching mountains and the such away. SP was always easily capable of doing so, without ever struggling, meaning he was holding back. Jotaro, without holding back, has enough strength to destroy the universe, even though he didn't ever try that because he's a good guy and didn't want to destroy the world
Dio has the same stat and he can't do the same
By your logic punching mountain=universe of AP goofy.
@@Conquerer_. No, Jotaro is far stronger. He oneshoted Dio at the end if part 3
@@cloverkingdom6341 No. Punching while holding back = mountain. Punching without holding back = Universal
@@gio.gionosakan yeah the same Dio that got cut with window shards
this is a joke
You seem to misunderstand physics, and it does not help when you try to make arguments based on physics. I know we're talking about fiction and fantastical abilities, but there is no such thing as "infinite reaction speed". Speed here would be a rate if change over time (that is distance/time). To say that reaction speed is infinite, is to say that the time component is 0, which renders the concept meaningless.
If we go with the big crunch in JoJo, it doesn't make sense to day that Pucchi has infinite durability since he "withstood" the new Big Bang with infinite density. That's not how it works. Literally everything would be in the signularity, including Pucchi. So by whatever method he transported himself to the new universe, it wasn't that he just "tanked" the imploding universe, that is an oversimplification.
Also, your argument about Made in Heavens speed being infinite not having anything to do with him accelerating time is just wrong. It's very obvious that his Stand doesn't literally move at infinite speed normally, because then there wouldn't be a fight.
He also gets faster throughout the fight as time accelerates making them definitely linked. I don't understand how you misunderstand this, but speed is distance per unit time, so if he speeds up time for himself he gets faster compared to everyone else, because more units of time pass for him.
If he actually moved with infinite speed, he would have infinite energy, which he clearly doesn't.
@@benner1320 I’m not reading this champ. We can discuss it in my discord linked in bio
@@MRForca That just seems like a dodge to me. It's not even that much and it directly disproves many of your core arguments, but whatever. I'll make a shorter critique then.
You argue that Silver Chariot is way faster than The Hanged Man, but the entire point of how Polnareff hit The Hanged Man was that he predicted his trajectory, specifically BECAUSE he wasn't able to keep up with The Hanged Man's speed.
@@benner1320 discord is linked to my yt if you wanna debate me. i don't text
Interesting
W ahh vid
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