@DrNoBrazil I think it's good to have projects that develop for the AMD/Xilinx FPGA boards and not just Intel/Altera. I suspect part of the reason why Taki and Altera struck a deal was in response to the MiSTex project.
You bring up good things at the end of the video. Mistex vs Mister Pi. Two different approaches. Mister Pi will have some limitations but serve as a cheaper entry into FPGA. I believe Taki said there are some cores that simply won't run from Mister. That said, I'm glad both projects exist. It helps expand the options available for everyone. While Mistex is nice to see in action a little, I still know very little about it. You had mentioned it could support larger FPGAs with more logic elements but what does that really mean if core support isn't there yet? I know it's a bit of cart and horse problem but if there's issues with the nes and snes cores as ports already then I can see this scaring away FPGA developers from diving into the ecosystem. I hope they get those issues fixed out though. Mistex could shape up to be a really great project. At the moment though, I don't see the reason to buy one with Taki's coming out.
My only issue with these newer FPGA projects is the size of them. I'd prefer it if we could keep a form factor similar to the DE-10 stack. Mini-ITX is fine for a whole computer which these projects aren't. Just seems like a waste of space. But it's great seeing MiSTeX running on your channel. I still think we will need to see something running on MiSTeX that can't run on the DE10 Nano clones, especially now that the price factor has changed with the DE10 Nano clones.
The Clone has definitely made many alternatives less desirable, that's undeniable. It'll definitely be nice to see where MiSTeX goes, especially with more powerful target boards in the future.
@@PixelCherryNinja I would be interested in seeing if the MiSTeX can address those limitations found in the PSX and N64 cores which create problems for various games.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA the FPGA used in this video has 10k less LE's than the DE10-NANO. I guess potentially with something more powerful, it may well be possible.
I keep hearing there's at least 1 frame/16ms of lag with MiSTer's HDMI connection, but isn't there any way to configure it to get it much lower? Or will there be any future MiSTer products in the future that will finally address and get it nearly lag free like it's analogue port?
It is paramount for the future of fpga gaming to other platforms. But I do hope they can port it to the Saroo, imagine being able to play 8/16 bit games on a Saturn.
If SEGA had designed saturn to play genesis + 32X carts and sega CD games from the beginning (and let devs and gamers know) it would have saved all their mistakes.
I notice the frame rate is quite choppy often down as low as 20fps, did you see that while you were playing or is it just the capture card you are using?
What a waste of time to port cores to a wish version of the DE10 (especially with wish clones incoming). Making MisteX a wish version of a wish version. And those poor games without scanlines...
Portability is a good thing. The mistex project isn't targeting a single board, it's working towards generalizing to any FPGA board. Do you know anything about the project? Or are you complaining without understanding what you're looking at
Dear lord the bitterness over spending the amount you did on your mister set up only for several competitors to pop up and offering fpga at a fraction of a price is hilarious 😂
@DrNoBrazil I think it's good to have projects that develop for the AMD/Xilinx FPGA boards and not just Intel/Altera. I suspect part of the reason why Taki and Altera struck a deal was in response to the MiSTex project.
You bring up good things at the end of the video. Mistex vs Mister Pi. Two different approaches. Mister Pi will have some limitations but serve as a cheaper entry into FPGA. I believe Taki said there are some cores that simply won't run from Mister. That said, I'm glad both projects exist. It helps expand the options available for everyone. While Mistex is nice to see in action a little, I still know very little about it. You had mentioned it could support larger FPGAs with more logic elements but what does that really mean if core support isn't there yet? I know it's a bit of cart and horse problem but if there's issues with the nes and snes cores as ports already then I can see this scaring away FPGA developers from diving into the ecosystem.
I hope they get those issues fixed out though. Mistex could shape up to be a really great project. At the moment though, I don't see the reason to buy one with Taki's coming out.
My only issue with these newer FPGA projects is the size of them. I'd prefer it if we could keep a form factor similar to the DE-10 stack. Mini-ITX is fine for a whole computer which these projects aren't. Just seems like a waste of space. But it's great seeing MiSTeX running on your channel. I still think we will need to see something running on MiSTeX that can't run on the DE10 Nano clones, especially now that the price factor has changed with the DE10 Nano clones.
The Clone has definitely made many alternatives less desirable, that's undeniable. It'll definitely be nice to see where MiSTeX goes, especially with more powerful target boards in the future.
@@PixelCherryNinja I would be interested in seeing if the MiSTeX can address those limitations found in the PSX and N64 cores which create problems for various games.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA the FPGA used in this video has 10k less LE's than the DE10-NANO. I guess potentially with something more powerful, it may well be possible.
@@PixelCherryNinja Weird, I thought Hans was using a larger FPGA in his MiSTeX setup.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Could well be, I think there's a 200k board being used as well.
Looks amazing PCN. MisteX is well worth the money to invest in and I enjoy seeing more reviews towards it bro. 8^)
Anthony.
Thanks Anthony, I'll have some more MiSTeX videos in the future too.
Great video PCN !
Thanks SmoMo, and also appreciate you signing up to the Patreon 👍
MisteX is the way forward. Forget about the overpriced commercial products.
It's an interesting project. I look forward to seeing how far it goes.
Home fab FPGA? Sign me up!
I keep hearing there's at least 1 frame/16ms of lag with MiSTer's HDMI connection, but isn't there any way to configure it to get it much lower? Or will there be any future MiSTer products in the future that will finally address and get it nearly lag free like it's analogue port?
It is paramount for the future of fpga gaming to other platforms. But I do hope they can port it to the Saroo, imagine being able to play 8/16 bit games on a Saturn.
If SEGA had designed saturn to play genesis + 32X carts and sega CD games from the beginning (and let devs and gamers know) it would have saved all their mistakes.
I notice the frame rate is quite choppy often down as low as 20fps, did you see that while you were playing or is it just the capture card you are using?
Oh that's weird. Playing it felt the full 60FPS. I wonder if there was an issue with the capture 🤔
What a waste of time to port cores to a wish version of the DE10 (especially with wish clones incoming). Making MisteX a wish version of a wish version. And those poor games without scanlines...
So says the wish version of a DE10 fanboy.
It's nice having choices Dr., I'm looking forward to testing the clone out too.
Portability is a good thing. The mistex project isn't targeting a single board, it's working towards generalizing to any FPGA board. Do you know anything about the project? Or are you complaining without understanding what you're looking at
Dear lord the bitterness over spending the amount you did on your mister set up only for several competitors to pop up and offering fpga at a fraction of a price is hilarious 😂
This project was started before the clones were announced. And it's pretty cool.