How To Calculate Work Cycle To Comply With Hours Of Service
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Many drivers get a violation for exceeding the maximum numbers of hours in a log book work cycle.
Both Canada and the United States have 2 log book work cycles.
All log book work cycles are rolling; the hours from the beginning of the cycle drop off as work hours are added each day.
Figure out here how to do it correctly, how to avoid a fine, and avoid working for free.
Good luck on your road test.
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Thanks Rick. I watched all 3 parts. I feel confident my logbooks will be up to par next time im pulled over at the scales 🙂
Hi DrVeerjay - Thank you for your comment. And you are most welcome. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
Thank you for posting
I switched over ro a 120hr / 14 day cycle for a 1 time Round trip From Vancouver BC to Sudbury, Ont. 8300km in 9 days. Took 34 hrs off in the middle. Worked great. A co worker had a similar trip. Edmonton Ab to Sarnia Ont round trip. 7300km. He stayed on our normal cycle 1 and was gone for 11 days. Keeping under 70 hrs by putting in 10 hr days. I'll choose cycle 2 for a trip like that anyday.
Hi Alberta Heavy Haul - Thank you for your comment. You're missing the concept of the rolling cycle. So long as you don't go over 70hr in the 7 days, you can keep working. And with Cycle 2 you have to take off 24 hours when accumulating 70hrs on duty - so be sure that you're not in violation of that rule. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
No Rick. I need to take a continuous 24hr off duty before I reach 70 hrs. Then I'm good to go. Like you say it's a rolling 120 hrs. I can fill my log book with 13 hrs of driving not just 10 hr days.
Do we calculate on duty not driving hours with the hours driven together each day to calculate total hours worked in the past 7 days?
Thanks for the explanation
You're welcome
Important question. If I start my pre trip at 8, I take three fifteen minute breaks and then clock out at 6. I add the 8 hours and six hours together. Do I also add the three 15 minutes? So my off duty would be 14.75? Am I correct
2:11 is that a Canadian log book? does Us log book work same way?
I'm so glad it's computer logs in 2019 I hate this shit
I have a moving company. Im never sure what i weigh loaded until im pulled over at scale. Do you have any advice? Should i phone the closest scale ahead of time and book a weighing?
Hi DrVeerjay - Thank you for your comment and query. Furniture doesn't weight a lot, and it's unlikely that you're going to be overweight. Most trucks are overweight when they're hauling steel, liquid, paper or wood. If you think you're hauling anything heavy, than I would go to a scale and get weighed, but for the most part you're going to "cube out before you weight out," which means that you're going to run out of space before you run out of weight. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
You can Google any truck stops in your area and see if they have a weigh scale. Most big truck stops usually do and they usually charge you to weigh your load, but I'm pretty sure you can write it off for tax purposes
Rick, how would you log a 34 hr reset?
Hey Rick so do we have to fill out the work cycle sheet on the paper logs? I only run 5 days a week on the road and I can keep track of my 70hrs just by doing my logs and putting down what’s left from my 70hrs. I’m curious if by LAW we have too? Thank you for making these videos!!
No, you don't have to fill out the work cycle. However, if you get pulled in for an inspection and you have that readily available, it's another bonus for you. The officer doesn't have to calculate your total work hours. You can pick up the scale house checklist here: www.smartdrivetest.com/DOT-weigh-scale-checklist Drop us a note if we can help further my friend. All the very best, Cheers Rick
Has anything changed since this video?
AWESOME!
Thanks Ladonna - you are way out in front for fan of the month!! Thanks Cheers Rick :0)
Smart Drive Test lol well you know greatness is in my view!
Is it still a rolling 7 day cycle here in Alberta? No days off required if I stay below 70 hours in 7 days?
Yes, it's still a 7 day rolling cycle. But you have to take time off if you work all 7 days. You can't just work 7 days in a row indefinitely. See this course: www.smartdrivetest.com/logbooks-us-canada/canadian-log-books Drop us a note if we can help further. All the best, Cheers Rick
I didn't know that the 7 day was a rolling cycle.
Will you get a fine if you don't mark the hrs of service in your log? I know what my hours are in my head regardless of the log and I get weekends off so there is no way I could legally go over the hours of service in the 70 hr cycle regardless....
Hi Josh Timmons - Thank you for your comment and comment. No, legally you don't have to keep track of your work cycle hours on your logsheet. However, if you get pulled into the scale, that is the first thing they are going to check. Thus, make sure you don't go over hours. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
my company's logbook cycle runs from midnight to midnight.
I get done around 4 in the morning and leave again at 19:00 that same day.
Through the week I always get a full ten hours off before I leave again .
Saturday morning is my last day of the week,
I arrive at 4:00 am(saturday morning) if I only take eight hours off I'm short for that day since I've already driven 4 hours saturday morning.
my question is
can I take 8 hours off saturday morning then start my day early and drive till midnight and then defer a couple of hours to get home.?
rather then leave late every saturday.
I should mention we use e-logs and I am on a scheduled run.
my run should leave at noon on saturday but I come in at 14:00 to make sure I am legal . so I'm two hours behind before I even start.
Hi Mistress: the short answer is NO. You cannot defer time--both in Canada and the United States--unless it is for unexpected events like weather or traffic crashes. Are you operating in the United States or Canada - because you said 10hours off, I'm guessing that you operating in the United States!?! Is it possible to send me a copy of your log sheets for the week? What I'm gathering from your description is that you work 6 days and run a day cab, which puts you on the 60/7 days cycle. And you are operating beyond 100miles of the home terminal? Is my calculation correct that you're working 9hrs/day for approximately 54 hour/week? You do have to have 10-consecutive hours off-duty between work cycles. But like I said, if I saw your log sheets, I would be able to advice you better. Drop me a note at rick@smartdrivetest.com. Cheers Rick
Thanks for the reply
I run locally Tuesday to Saturday in Canada.
Usually 300 mile round trip
I do have a truck with a sleeper but I don't use it because when I get back another driver takes the truck.
Hi Mistress: In Canada, you are operating on the 70hrs/7days work cycle. You can drive for 13 hours in a 16 hour window. You must have 10 hours off: 8 consecutive hours with 2 hours additional breaks in 2 increments of not-less than 30 minutes. If you have 10 hours off between shift duties, a one hour break during you workday will suffice - the other 1 hour will be included in your consecutive time off. Most of your loading, unloading and pre-trip inspections can be logged in increments of 15-30 minutes. I don't have a lot of experience with e-logs, but what I understand from others that have used them is to log off-duty immediately upon stopping the truck. If you're running 300 miles/day, 5 days a week in Canada, I don't see any reason that you would have to start late on Saturday. As well, with your 2-days off, this off-duty time is going to reset your work cycle. If you have further question, please drop me a note. Cheers Rick
Hi, 70hrs for 7 days cycle right. If i finish the 70 hrs in 5 days take a 36hr reset, and the company want me to start the cycle on the 7th day, is this allowed? Thank you.
Hi kirby comiles - Thank you for your comment and query. Are you the US or Canada? All the best, Cheers Rick
Sorry, only canada run. 70hours for 7 days.
Hi kirby comiles - Thank you for your response. It is allowed so long as you have a 36hr break between finishing on the 5th day and starting on the 7th day. For example, if you got home on Friday at 5pm, you wouldn't be able to go out again until Sunday at 5am. Although, if you're doing that consistently, you're going to run out of hours during your 5 days. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
hey buddy , I don't understand line 3 work today 8hrs when hrs available is 10 , can you please explain , thanks
Hi NARROWPATH - Thank you for your query. When you put the hours in for the day it's both the hours that you worked NOT driving and your driving hours. And keep in mind that it's a rolling cycle, so the hours from 8 days ago fall off and you add the new hours. All the best, Cheers Rick
@@smartdrivetest yes I understand , thank you for your quick reply , your videos are great keep up the good work
Are they rolling cycles in the US?
+Matthew Millner Yes-in both Canada & the US-the cycles are rolling. And because the cycles are rolling, a driver rarely has to defer time or reset the cycle. Cheers Rick
So on your example, you hit 70 hrs in 7 days on both day 1 & 2. Shouldn't you have to do a 36 hr reset?
Hi Alberta Heavy Haul - Thank you for your comment and query. The 70hrs is a rolling cycle. As long as you don't exceed the 70hrs in 7days, the hours from 7 days ago drop off and you can work those hours. I would suggest that you watch the video again to understand the rolling cycle. Once you understand that, you can work indefinitely. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
Smart Drive Test Yes. It is a rolling cycle. I've always kept under 69.75 hrs so I don't hit 70. My understanding is when you hit 70, You need to do a 36 hr reset. I'm gonna have to ask a DOT about that one.
Hi there - as long as it's 70 or under, you're not going to get a fine. 70hrs is the magic number. All the best, Cheers Rick
Your talking about so many allowed driving hours in the States and Canada but every province and state has different laws for driving hours, this confuses me. For example in Ontario you can drive I think its 11 hours a day but you can also deffer 2 hours from the next day and drive 13 hours. After which point you only need a mandatory 8 hours rest to continue on with the next 11 hour shift unless you differed 2 hours. There is also allowed working hours that you did not mention (different from driving hours)
Hi Dino - Thank you for your comment and query. The Hours of Service are federal and apply to all provinces and states. All drivers in Canada can drive a maximum of 13 hours. See these videos for more explanation: ruclips.net/video/JMC56argXVk/видео.html&index=11 If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
thank you for the reply, I will watch these videos. I will be going for my AZ, I am trying to get ahead of the class - Jon
Hi Dino - Thank you for your reply. Congratulations on embarking on a new career. If you're interested, I have a online, self-paced logbook and air brake course over at my website: www.smartdrivetest.com/canadian-log-books Of course, I'm willing to answer any questions you may have here. I would counsel you--if you haven't already--to start looking for work. These videos will help with that process: ruclips.net/video/MT5LmS-TpYQ/видео.html&list=PL0x-bChcUvwGCubq7hwj5EPege1hjY0om If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
The cycle is Canada wide. No driving after 14 hrs on duty. I'm sure 13 of them can be driving. You have to have at least a 1 hr of break time if it's a 14 hr day. It can be a half hour at a time or 1 hr all at once. If you don't take the break, you have to mark it the next day on top of your hour break for the next day. So 2 hrs the next day if you don't take it the 14 hr day before.
The hours of service you use is the province you are licensed to drive in and work from.
My province is Alberta so my license is Alberta and I use Alberta's rules regardless of which province I am traveling to.
There actually are Provincial HOS as well as Federal HOS, as noted by the OP, and they can differ. The rule for which set of HOS you need to follow is whether you travel across a provincial boundary; if your work is entirely within 1 province you use provincial HOS, and if you cross into another province you then use the Federal HOS. At least, that's how it's explained in the Sask Truckers Guide.
im 21 yr old, almost a year that have my Class 1 license but companies i apply for needs 3-5 yr experience, which im upset about because how do i gain experience if they dont train.. besides im not picky doesn't have to be a semi--trucks that i want to drive, as long as i get experienced in deliveries, filling out log books, bill of lading and customer service... can someone give a tip to a newbie like me?? im planning to go back to school also so i really need this experience and financial support for myself
Hi ryan meana - thank you for your comment and query. Yes, it is tough to get that first truck driving job - no doubt about it. And you have to beg, borrow, and plead to get into the cab of a truck. Do whatever you can to get a job driving - badger people. If you keep pestering them, eventually they will put you in the truck, but you have to show them you're determined. You can't just send out resumes - that won't work. You have to show up to these place, and then show up again and again when they say no. Just keep saying to yourself, they can't keep saying no forever. And each no is one no closer to a yes. Driving a truck is hard work, but finding your first truck driving job is even harder. If there's anything further we can do, drop us a note. All the best, Cheers Rick
PS - see video :: ruclips.net/video/MT5LmS-TpYQ/видео.html
thank you sir, for advice.. im really determine to gain experience bcause i just wanna support my family...
Hi King Vortex - thank you for your comment and that great information. Do you know of any companies off-hand that would provide this training - that would be great information for a lot of new people getting into the industry. All the best, Cheers Rick
yes sir, even now i am still looking and looking and its just hard, like i remember my old man said when he applied to Canada cartage and the HR said they're not hiring new drivers and my dad was like then how the hell are we gonna gain experience, bcause im pretty sure everybody started off somewhere and they got trained.. and i really needed an experienced right now and im on a waitinglist in my course and im broke af lol, thats why my license is the most important thing to me if i have to support myself financially plus im gonna develop how to interact with people bcause im shy and english wasn't my first language thats why
Hi Adam - Thank you for your comment. You information about American companies was my experience when I worked for Burlington Motor Carriers in the early-1990s. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
This dude is my math teacher all over again. This is why people rather just have a tiny computer in there pocket.
Hi Ed Esquivel - Unfortunately, that's not true. You need to understand the fundamentals so as not to get a fine and work the day for free. A computer is only going to take you so far, but it's not going to be right all the time. Nor is it going to give you the right solution, especially if you don't know how to ask the right questions. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
Well I didn't mean it, what I meant was how it's easy when you comprehend what you are talking about as appose to some who doesn't. I referenced a math teacher in the finding where the hours of service went. I meant no disrespect. I agree with what you are saying 💯
does that mean you could work every day of the month as long as you don't exceed 10 hours a day?
That’s confusing
Hi Cory Conrad - Thank you for your comment. Which part of this are you finding confusing? I can help you out. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
@@smartdrivetest for me it’s the math. just need a simpler way on how the math breaks down.
Guys who munch that's the line count or who to due the math on the log book
Hi Juan Rodriguez - Thank you for your comment. And you are most welcome. We're happy to hear we could help out. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
Drive you hard for 5 days and send you home? Couldn't get home for 3 month cycles with Weiner Enterprise. What a joke the big companies are unless you don't mind not having a home life at all
Hi Ian - thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, you are correct. Some companies--even in this day and age--do not get drivers home. Those are the companies that have chronic and ongoing driver retention issues. It may make the company money in the short term, but long term they fail to cultivate loyal drivers. There's no reason that you shouldn't be able to be a driver and have a home life too. If there's anything we can do, drop us a note - always happy to help out. All the best, Cheers Rick
Nah. Let the ELD do the job
Hi Trucker Daddy - AKA John in Québec - Thank you for your comment. I would tend to agree my friend, although always good to know how to do it just in case something goes array with the computer program. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
okay,,,,,well obviously i would be fucked if I were to get pulled....whats the best E log used in canada...that does all this shit for you ...
Hi Paddy - Thank you for your comment and query. A mate of mine gave the "Keep Truckin" app a 4.5 rating out of 5. I beleive that will keep you going up and down the road. If there is anything further we can do, drop us a note. Always happy to help. All the best, Cheers Rick
can I just use the app or do I need the ELD unit for the trucks too
@@partyboypaddylolasmaster3874 The app is basically the equivalent of a paper log; you can use it by itself, same as a paper log, until ELD units become mandatory in Canada. I downloaded it last week, but haven't used it yet; it was recommended to me by someone in the industry, as an alternative to the paper logs.
How often do you have to take a reset on the 70 hour cycle ?because what I understood from the video is you can work every day as long as you don’t go over 70 hours in 7 days