Me too, although Louis XIV did leave his country in a mess after years of war against neighboring countries and neatly paved the way for Louis XVI to get his head cut off by a collection of irate influencers.
I think one of the biggest issues with new watches nowadays is there isn't actually any "real" use cases for them, in terms of actually being tools, which stifles actual innovation. Dive watches, pilot watches, chronographs, etc, those were all specifically made for divers, pilots, racecar drivers, and other professionals to ACTUALLY use a long time ago, so naturally all the companies were competing with one another to see who could one up each other and make the BEST versions of these watches, or straight up invent new styles of watches in the first place! Oh, we need to time cars racing by, let's invent the chronograph! Oh, I need to track how long I've been underwater, let's invent the dive watch! Oh, I need to go to space, better create the Moonwatch! Nowadays, everything uses computers, so watches are "outdated" and as a result, are sold as luxury "historical" pieces that are interesting BECAUSE they're out of date. Because of this, watch companies have almost no interest in actually innovating or creating anything too new, because the fact the mechanical watch is already this outdated technology, makes them something people want to buy. It's a paradox, it used to be a technology that would constantly be developed because it was something people actually relied on to help them with their jobs, but now it's an outdated technology that's just kept around because it's outdated. Just look at every new watch release lately, even with new movements and stuff, it's just reliability, power storage, or accuracy upgrades, or the addition of hacking and handwinding. Outside of Spring Drive and Accutron, there's no real improvements with watches. There's no "new" types of watches either being invented, we're decades in and we're still wearing dive watches, chronographs, pilots watches, and dress watches. I can't think of any new categories being invented in the space.
*This.* I'm a younger person, however, I still love the original purpose and intricate engineering that goes into mechanical watches. And for that reason, I had to gather a few pieces to have a collection that was/is meaningful to me and can be worn daily. Therefore, I have decided to pick up a few Sinn pieces over time as they are more of a modern batch of tool watches. The ones I snag have a tegimented finish (making them rather durable and more scratch proof) and aren't super shiny/sparkly like the watches from all of the current major brands. Oh, and importantly for me, they offer smaller sized pieces that fit my tiny ferret wrists lol! I happily wear my U50-T and 144 60th Anniversary Edition and will add my third and final Sinn piece to the collection this upcoming Autumn when my U50 S BS arrives. I'm super excited for it as I love the color scheme! =D
Innovation has just moved on. Innovation and new uses are being put into the (dreaded) Apple watch, while we, the watchers of this channel, are still trying to find the best made buggy whip. The day of the mechanical watch is fading. (Doesn't mean I don't love them...it's just the truth that we must eventually accept).
my only use case is timing my weekly swimming which is mandatory for work. the clock in our local swimming hall is digital and switches between temperatures of each pool and the time so it shows the time every 30 secs for about 3 seconds. in order to not stare to the side all the time i wear a cheap diver like Promaster NY0040 or Orient Mako. No digital will do as I would toally panic about pushing any kind of button in water. no matter how high the WR is stated.
Easily one of my favorite episodes of the show. I remember I saved for a year for an Omega Speedmaster because some of my favorite Formula 1 drivers wore them. Now they all wear Ricard Mile watches and... Yeah, I'll stick with the old Omega! 😅
Good evening TGV, one of the problems I often see in modern watch designs is that the watches often are either to gaudi or that they want to please a large crowd. Older pieces are built for a purpose (diver, pilot watch), something I find quite appealing. Have a great evening! Best regards!
Fully agree! TGV, I too value the historicity of my timepieces, that's the main parameter in my small collection. Really new watches are a minority here, not that I don't like any of the new models, some of them I do like, but those are way over my possibilities. Meanwhile, I keep enjoying my '76 Longines, that keeps -2/+4 seconds a day. My birthyear watch is a Seiko H556 :) . Keep up the good work, I've bought my Seiko "Fifty five Fathoms" because of your review and very happy with it.
I think the Rolex trend has done a lot to put me off of collecting watches, especially expensive ones. The illusion of shortages causing the used market prices to spike insanely. I thought about buying a Rolex a couple years ago and now the watch I was considering went up 3k on the used market... it is ridiculous.
I own a Rolex I bought new many years ago. I love Rolex watches, but they are so overpriced, I will no longer purchase any more. Oris, Squale, Rado, and Hamilton all make great watches I am interested in now.
i went to a rolex ad. when they started bullsh!ting about the scarcity i smiled, left the shop and went across the street to an omega shop, where voila everything is available. I didnt feel less luxurious just because they have watches available in the store :)))
As of recently I have taken a break from staring at watches all the time. I have stopped looking on Ebay and Chrono24 late at night (weve all been there) and instead I have spent more time in the real world. cutting down your "watch time" to a minimum is a necessity to living a happier life, and it is also makes you less fatigued and grumpy. I recommend everyone who is into watches does the same, especially if you truly feel this way about the modern world and It's watches. Best regards, Jamie.
I am very much with you Jamie, I drastically cut down the ebay watch hunting. Great comment and recommendation, thank you for sharing that. Best regards, TGV
Great advice, Jamie. At times I feel like I’m almost too much into watches it’s becoming unhealthy. Always looking for the next piece; browsing the forums; watching RUclips videos etc. it’s addictive! Seeking a Rolex piece in particular can also be frustrating & demoralising! Awaiting ‘the call’ (that may never happen) can really grate you down especially as a watch-lover & enthusiast when so many people seem to acquire them & flip! Anyway, I’m glad you’ve found a happier approach to this hobby :-) Cheers!
Absolutely agree on the "New Watch Fatigue" point. I'm also a MASSIVE car enthusiast and I think the parallels between watches and cars are razor thin. I'm BEYOND exhausted with the uninspired designs and engineering behind cars. Every new release from the high end companies is met with an eyeroll. In the higher end, they're all so fast they're indistinguishable from the others in their class. And in the looks department? From the outside they're all blending together, and the interiors are all so focused on minimalism and tech that they're sacrificing user involvement. Driver engagement has completely fallen the wayside! You used to be able to DRIVE your supercars. Now they're so fast you basically push a button and it has to drive itself, or you're going to swiftly be outpaced by your car.
@@veretindale5314 Mercedes' sedans all look the same. You can barely distinguish them from one another. Their crossovers have the same problem. Audi has the exact same issue on both fronts, and BMW suffers not only from the same lookalike syndrome, but they're all vomit inducing.
My 2022 Subaru BRZ, naturally aspirated, rear wheel drive manual sports car is a joy to drive everyday, a real drivers car. The near twin Toyota 86s are another great option.
I really enjoyed this discussion. Always happy to see the Nerd Crew getting the recognition they deserve. VERY COOL! The part that I found most interesting was the vulgarity part. I can tell ya that I've been thinking a lot about this recently. As the economy continues in it's current trajectory, a lot more people are struggling financially and with that knowledge I've found a bit of guilt with wearing a watche that is $500 or $2000. I can't even imagine wearing one that was $100,000 or $500,000. As always thanks for the thought provoking video.
I had this exact same conversation about guilt and vulgarity with my grey market dealerwhile I was shopping for watches a month ago... Reconciling that I'm buying a $8,000 anachronistic toy while people struggle...
give the "extra money" you use for watches to charity and donate it to people in poverty if it really matters to you. Problem solved. If you prefer to buy a watch with that money, enjoy your watch without all these "worries". In the end it is a matter of choice ,you can give your "extra" money to charity and people in need or use it to buy items you like, find out which is your REAL priority and what is most important to you.
My advice to people who want to get into watches: JUST GET A SEIKO DIVER AND END IT ALL BEFORE IT OVERTAKES YOUR EVERYTHING. SKX, TURTLE, MONSTER.. YOU PICK IT.
🤣🤣🤣👏👏 Best advice ever! You might miss out on a ton of fun, but damn you will be so much more well off!!! Thank you Taylor, great comment. Best regards, TGV
I'm watching your channel for years, this is one of your best videos. I totally agree with you-this is why I gave my vintage seamaster to a watchmaker for a light restoration. You are not an influencer- you inspire us, you're not trying to be trendy like others you have your opinion and you support it effectively. Keep on-dare to say-my friend.
I appreciate how candid and honest you were in this video, TGV. You didn't pull punches but at the same time you explained your thoughts in a tactful and classy manner. I too found myself becoming more drawn to vintage watches. Recently I got my hands on a Tudor Prince Oysterdate and I'm absolutely in love. There's a certain charm about vintage timepieces!
TGV I think there is one major point that you are missing. Great video btw I loved all of your points. The main issue with watches today that you started to say was that they are status symbols. This is because we have a pocket watch in our pocket at all times. We do not need the watch to know the time anymore so most companies have noticed this (Rolex) and make the watches more eye-catching because they are used as jewelry pieces and not for a purpose. For example, if you actually professionally dive you are probably going to use a dive computer. Since watches are more jewelry purchases they have become more of a commodity to invest in. This has now spiraled out of control into what we have today. Since we made the wristwatch and non-computer clocks so replaceable it has led to what they make today.
All true! Most "new" watches are just a simple color change or an internal upgrade that you won't even notice but will cost you more. Grand Seiko has been killing it though. They just released a new GMT that is gorgeous. Hope all is well. Cheers!
@@watch_a_mod354 I agree with you for the most part but Tiffany blue dial should not be worth a premium over the same watch with a different color dial.
@@jeremycorrao it shouldn't. It has nothing to do with the dial but a way to overall increase the price of a model. With each release the prices are climbing. If people continue buying it won't stop
I think a lot of watches try to have this “mass appeal” and end up appealing to nobody instead of making a watch for a type of wearer. I love micro brands for this reason…to get into the market they need to segment the market in ways that major brands who bank on their pop culture cache don’t.
Totally agree here. I hope this will never change.... more established microbrands get more and more "expensive" tho. I was lucky to pull the trigger on the first ZELOS Swordship titanium back then. Whats you preferred price range when it comes to microbrands? The MONTAs started less humble than others
Very interesting premise. I think that a lot of brands have a vintage inspired collection for this reason. Think about the CK859 from Omega this year. A rare beauty to be honest.
I bought this year 3 Seiko watches : a Seiko diver solar chronograph, the Antarctica Monster, and a Seiko 5 with a 7S26 movement - I love them all to death ... the first two are divers and they make me to dream of adventures and trips, but the Seiko 5 has that retro dial like '80 - '90, it reminds me of all the dreams of my youth, I bought it especially for that beautiful dial ...
i love vintage designs and sizes, but the efficacy of standardized modern movements is impressive (eta 2824, miyota 9015, seiko 6r35) as is guaranteed water resistance new from the factory instead of water resistance based off of seals and gaskets from 1968. And new photoluminescent markers are nice because original tritium or radium has long since decayed. so a new vintage inspired watch is a wonderful compromise for me. Especially if it falls in line with vintage sizing, i much prefer a 34-38mm watch to a contemporary 44mm beast, even if it is a new watch marketed as a women's watch.
Modern "cheap" watches in the sub $500 or $1,000 range offer more than any vintage watch can. I too like modern accuracy, lume, water resistance, materials, etc. etc. etc. but with more sedated, classic looks
Dear TGV, this video was greatly needed in my opinion. Your points are fantastic and you give exactly the right arguments to defend them. You really are one of the few people left with complete integrity. Please never change!
Amazing video TGV. You are that nostalgic guilty pleasure that I indulge in when it comes to watch content and I've indulged more hours than I'm happy to admit. You were pretty much one of the first, if not the first, watch channel that I started watching when I got into the hobby. You've recommended so many amazing pieces to me over the years. Thank you my friend. I've always loved watching you primarily because of your personality. So much class, so much respect for the hobby, and you're very open minded. I've always loved your personal stories, the historical context you provide when you review a piece, and I love your honest non sponsored opinions. I also love when you inject some of your personality into the video and recommend some random but useful gadget or product that you use in your everyday life (non sponsorship stuff of course) or give us some musicians or artists to check out! You are that watch nostalgic connection for me my friend. Maybe I'll run into you some day, until then take care and I'll see you on the next vid!
Size too! The early 2000s everything got huge. I love a lot of the designs but my personal taste makes me wish they were scaled down. But I think it is coming full circle and more brands are putting out smaller watches in the 36 to 40 mm range. I really have my eye on that new Glycine Combat Sub 39mm.
YESSSSSSS!!!!! So true on the first point and I do hope so. 36 is the new 39, 40 the new 42/44, well I hope! Great comment, thank you, Best regards, TGV
@@theurbangentry How could you guys be so selfish, thinking only about yourselves !? What do guys like me, (been a powerlifter for 20 years, 6’’2 and over 300 lbs) are supposed to wear then !? A 36 or a 39mm perhaps 🤣? Not every men are midgets or shaped like hobbits like you guys !!! You have to understand this !! On my 23,5 cm wrist, a 40 mm looks like a baby’s watch ! Nothing under 42/44mm suits me. What am I supposed to do then ? Forget about horology which is also my passion because you guys want to dictate watch sizes ? How stupid is that ? So please stop making such stupid comments ! It would be as stupid as saying everyone shoe size should be US 6,5 / EU 38 ! What would you do if your shoe size is a good US 13 like me ? Walk bare foot ? Just because some morons explained that nothing over 7 looks nice…? Use your brains for god’s sake !
I am at the age where I don't worry about impressing anyone! I wear what I like...larger watches. Plus, I have the wrist for them...my wrist measures in at 23 cm...basically 9 inches! But, I am 6'6"...
@@larryd4352 I would like to have a huge wrist but alas, I don't. I like a lot of big watches, but not the way they wear on me, I'm glad you can pull them off. I agree, everyone should wear what they like.
Got the combat sub in December and I really do think for what they go for online, it’s a tremendous value. The bracelets they use are ok and they look better on a tropic rubber or nato strap.
well, I actually love Grand Seiko and their creations of the 4 seasons, and even if they they do have vintage watches I still feel attracted to their modern and newer releases. (BUT in saying that I do feel as if the watch community is being gatekept (is that a word?) by the absurd prices and that modern watches have lost their meaning or purpose and is now just to make money for their businesses)
I think Longines struck a nice balance with their Heritage pieces, being a bit modern and also vintage inspired. But they're still vintage inspired off course. Not totally new designs. I have the titanium Avigation Bigeye and I just love it. It is the watch I got for my 40th birthday and my first more expensive one. Love this video!
With all due and respect, I believe that as you get older you are more prone to prefer vintage watches and reminice of the past. I love modern watches for their technological supperiority and to think of what can be in the future, instead of the past. That is my take :) Great video as always.
i agree but would like to add that imo i do prefer "vintage designs" more than modern ones. Having a vintage design with a warranty and water resistance is the best solution. Vintage watches / vintage designs have soul whereas modern designs might eventually get boring. Ultimate exclusion: URWERK hehe
I can’t reminisce of the past that I never existed in! I prefer the styles from the 1920’s to the 1960’s yet was born in 73. It’s not all about nostalgia.
What also struck me the most about vintage pieces is, that that are not pretentious at all, they are true to their character. They are not trying to be something they are not. The patina, the signs of wear, the old movement, tell such a story. Modern versions of the same timepieces rarely achieve the charme.
It's clear that watch manufacturers have played into the hype more and more in the post millennial era, especially the big names. A couple of them have even made the hype culture an integral part of their business model. I'm still a modern watch kind of a guy, but it has become more and more difficult to find pieces that appeal to me, as they all have either moved out of reach financially or are just scarce as hell. Also, I just noticed you're about to hit half a million subs, TGV. An early congrats is in order 🥂
So true TGV. My collection is rapidly moving to vintage. Love my Seiko king and Lord models more than I ever imagined I would. I’ve got a swatch I got on my birthday 40 years ago which I adore. Modern watches feel clinical in comparison.
To many extents I agree, while not really old but getting there my favorite watch I own is my 42mm Omega Seamaster Plant Ocean 2500, matte black dial/black bezel with white tri arabic's and there is nothing new that Omega produces that could make me want to replace that watch, it's looks more harken back to the classic Seamaster's of the late 60's while still being of modern construction, the newer versions while being amazing quality are much shinier and are missing the more elegant and subdued toolish aesthetic of my model from 2008, it has such a timeless design that I've come to only appreciate more as years pass, I'll continue to enjoy this watch for many more years to come.
As a borderline gen x/millenial I still find it odd to think everything used to be better. Like, comparing all modern movies to the few classics that have survived for generations is pointless. How many shit movies do you think came out in 1954, the same year as Seven Samurai? As far as watches go, I will likely never buy another vintage watch because I want something I don't have to worry about living with. That means showering, swimming, playing outside. They look incredible. The history is wonderful. The size much better suits me. But they're not compatible with my lifestyle.
@Skratch Rapture steam isn't going to get in a properly tested 200m watch. I shower, hot tub, and swim in anything 100m or more. Modern watches can easily handle it. Hell, before I knew what I was doing, I changed the time on my old SKX in the shower! No issues at all though I don't recommend ;)
I genuinely enjoy both vintage and modern. My newest piece is the Tudor Black Bay Pro but the vintage Omega Seamasters always catch my eye. My challenge with vintage, really my only challenge, is their size. I have 8+ inch wrists and watches that are 36mm or smaller make it look like I'm wearing a ladies watch. Even the Black Bay Pro at 39mm looks a bit small but not unwearable.
The problem with modern watches is there doesn’t seem to be an original design. The best stuff recently has been the homage watches to designs from the 60s and 70s. Both of those decades has such fantastic original designs. I’ve become a fan of Farer which as a young brand uses great pops of color and interesting design language. Also, it seems like a ton of brands are just trying to copy the big dogs in some way. I cannot be the only one tired of Rolex homages and speaking of which, everyone seems to like the Tudor black bay which to me is just a high end Rolex knock off. Tudor I feel did design best when they had original designs like the fastrider or the north flag but those all don’t sell as well. Omega had two original designs in the 90s with the constellation and seamaster 300 and have been riding that and the Moonwatch. I can rant for a while…couldn’t agree with you more TGV.
Are you referring to like lorier watches? Because I’d argue the true innovation from modern era watches are micro brands. Yes they take style cues from the past but then they add on top. You can say it’s an homage to the 60s but the actual design itself is 2010s.
TGV, I've ordered a Seiko Dolce SACM 150 and its 34mm! My watch collection started with larger 42 mm watches, now I'm buying much smaller watches. Would love a video on the Dolce. It has a crazy super accurate quartz movement +/- 10 s a year
As a 26 y.o watch lover I am agreeing with you. We live in a society where watch factories are making watches for those new social media generations. Fast, new and affordable. And this idea concept is killing watches. -Your fan Niccolò from Italy
Generally, I agree. There's a crudeness and vulgarity in many "high end" watches that would make Invicta recoil. I think this is a reflection of the changes in society that place a premium on the self and attracting attention to the self. By the way, I believe it was Louis xvi that got his head lopped off, not Louis xiv. 😁
Ironically I think Invicta was ahead of the game when it comes to over the top designs and decoration we looked at them and laughed or shook our heads but look at all the blinged out Rolex's now (I was watching videos reporting back on the latest releases at Watches and Wonders)? As well as other brands with their designs - Think Omega 'Moonswatch'. Think of the releases that are the same watch but with different dials or themes 'Seiko Antactica' a monster with the penguin feet on the dial or same watch different case material or different color combinations etc.
As a watch enthusiast myself, I couldn’t agree more my friend. There was a time when having a winding watch was almost as exciting as having a car. Now it’s all about who has the more expensive toy, and how many people are jealous of you. Stay real and don’t give up. There are a few of us still around 😉
I've been a fan of the channel for quite some time, but I have to say that I'm confused by this video. Haven't the majority of Urban Gentry videos basically praised post-2000 watches? I feel like that's been the backbone of the channel, at least in terms of raw quantity. People have the right to change their opinions, of course, but if this video is sincere, I'm not sure where it leaves the channel.
Absolutely Aaron, in fact I address these points in this video quite clearly, especially the part about designing watches and trying to do something new with them if possible each time. Despite my preference and changing tastes, I still look at new watches with an open mind as I'm always willing to try new things. I review watches not just for myself to learn, but also pieces the audience may be interested in too, or are relevant to cover because of something of interest. That is also a reason why I try to introduce a brand not previously covered before, every month or so too. Enjoy and thank you for the support. Best regards, TGV
@@theurbangentry Thanks for the reply. I think I made the mistake of confusing your personal tastes with what the channel covers; in hindsight, the two things can obviously be different. Keep up the great work!
As I watch all of my “grail” watches slowly disappear over the horizon of overpriced, I battle back by just building my own watches. Its been an amazing journey. I have many watches, but there’s nothing quite like the ones I build for myself and friends.
This escalated quickly ! hehe. Must be indeed exciting:If it doesnt exist: build it yourself :) Modding and crafting dials is what i chose to cope with the watch prices out there.
Fair points all around. I'm personally undecided. For example, Grand Seiko makes a lot of what I'd call "new" watches, and I adore them. But a lot of newer, flashier things really do leave me cold. I guess it's situational.
This video is perfect. You said everything that bugs me about the current watch market in coherent manner which I've not been able to express myself. Thank you.
It must be difficult to design a watch in an era where they have been replaced by smartphones and the like. The Apple Watch can be seen as an innovative and iconic piece of design, but it does seem that the market’s favourite pieces are often 50 years old.
Spot on, on both accounts! It is extremely difficult, anyone who succeeds deserves profound respect. As for favorite pieces, very true. Thank you Toby, Best regards, TGV
Well technically you're wrong there, the sales figures show that the market's favourite piece is also the Apple Watch, which is the highest selling watch in history. It is in every way an iconic watch. But it does not have the nostalgia and history that the small watch loving community looks for. It's basically like the pocket watch wielding gentry scoffing at the idea of a wrist watch when the tides turned. But here we are today, a point that is sure to come back in a 100 years with the nostalgia for the Apple Watch.
@@REDnBLACKnRED A smart watch does things the _Swiss Watch Mafia,_ and their unpaid army of simps, knows they can't achieve and don't even pretend to try and do. Show me a mechanical heart rate sensor and weather station. Now do it for $500 and add a stock ticker, calendar, stop watch, timer and a hundred other functions. Smart watches are so much above and beyond what mechanical watches are capable of that it's unfair to compare the two. My personal solution is to wear a fitness tracker on one wrist and a traditional watch on the other
Got to sit down with the family and watch this episode together! My whole family was wondering what you were going to say since nearly my ENTIRE collection from Tudor, to Dan Henry, Casio, Steinhart, and Squale are all vintage/ vintage inspired! I am very very glad that modern capabilities exist. This modernity has allowed me to have vintage inspired pieces that I can afford and enjoy, while not having to have either been alive to purchase the originals when they were new. It also has allowed for thing likes solid end-links’s and more reliable and accurate movements be supplied with these excellent pieces. My Tudor GMT, for example, is absolutely inspired from the original Rolex GMT Master, but is at a price I can afford and has specs that BEAT the original! I get the nostalgia and get a watch I am not terrified to wear daily. At the same time, I like you, TGV, adore history. NONE of my pieces are “modern” or “new”. ALL of my pieces HAVE to have a reason for my purchase. Not only a tie to history, but a tie to history that is analogous in my life personally. The only watch I have that has no direct vintage lineage is my Certina DS Action diver, but even that has a very historic brand affiliation and design cues from the Seamaster. I totally agree with you that many watches are worn as status symbols, instead of appreciating the pieces for what they have contributed to the story of horological importance. This is another reason I love having my Squale, Steinhart, Orient, and Dan Henry pieces!! With these I can show how wonderful these pieces are in quality, and tell the historical story of why they were made, the historical significance of the original designs they were inspired by, and how accessible they are. This is my way of hopefully bringing others into the fold of the watch hobby. I completely agree that the incessant “chatter” about Rolex and other “trending” brands is so repetitious that it is revolting. I’d much rather hear about your Hanhart,my LeJour, your Lorier, my Certina, our Squale, or any Dan Henry than nearly any fashionable new release from a brand producing watches as a status symbol. As I was just telling my son this morning (he is looking to save towards his first vehicle and is interested in a truly capable SUV), Rolex has always been a marketing machine but back in the 50s Rolex was akin to a Land Rover of the same era - it was intended to go anywhere and do anything. Now, Rolex is a Lamborghini….exhausting difficult to find, purchase and enjoy and idiotically expensive. Land Rover has followed that same vein. A similar analogy could be found via perhaps an Toyota LandCruiser and Citizen. Both of those are truly modern capable go anywhere tools that Everyman can acquire use and enjoy for the rest of their lives…but they are not viewed as status symbols. They are nice but not lusted after..much as Rolex and Land Rover were in the past. Anyway, I have a feeling you and I see squarely eye to eye on all of this, much as we do about Madam Gaga and Pish Spice’s husband (I love my Tudor, but I almost couldn’t buy it because they are affiliated with Tudor now 🤢). I am sure that many carafes of coffee would be consumed prior to the exhaustion of this topic. Very wonderfully well done, my friend. Thank you for the insight, education, and entertainment. A pleasure as always. Onward and upward! Be well!
WOW, that is seriously cool to hear from such a young watch enthusiast. While I pity your plight, knowing there are such young watch enthusiasts out there fills me with hope! Thank you for your comment. Best regards, TGV P.s. May I suggest maybe a newer micro brand perhaps? Dan Henry, Hemel, Lorier, etc. Or a great brand with heritage doing new things like Squale, Fortis, Hanhart, etc.
I mean, what types of watches do you like and how much could you spend? They are weird and quirky but that is around the end of the Seiko kinetic line. Or a Bond-style Seamaster pre-ceramic.
The biggest letdown for me as an affordable watch collector is that my favorite brand (Seiko) has moved up market. Gone were the days you could buy a brand new seiko 5 for less than 100 usd. If the new seiko 5s didnt double in price i would collect them all in a heartbeat.
Wow.What a thoughtful video, possibly my favorite one ever.You can see the time and effort put into it.I love watching the clips thru the vintage TV border.As an aside I would state that all watches "just look better"in smaller mid century sizes . However there are still plenty of good modern watches out there that approximate the vintage classic look of the 20th century.As an example the Longines Conquest Heritage 35mm and the Seiko Sarb 033
I have two main issues with vintage watches, both quite significant to me…1) build quality, and hence reliability, is often crap, particularly on jangly bracelets which were often stamped rather than milled, and 2) they are so dainty they look effeminate…unless you have wrists like a nine year old girl….which would just be sad
I’m a simple guy. I get pleasure from my Seikos, Citizens, Longines, Hamiltons, Glycines, Tissots , etc. You are a man of culture as evidenced in your comments about film. I like your anti-snobbishness. You get to the heart of a concept rather than dwell within the noise.
Yep a 20 min video posted 16 mins ago has comments . W.O.E. Are people watching on fast forward. Me I will take my time to fully enjoy TGV's wit and wisdom. Expect a comment in the next day or so. Richard
I also find myself swinging more towards vintage watches these days, especially those of the toolish variety. A friend recently gifted me a 1970's Seiko Gold quartz watch in pretty rough shape. I sourced a new acrylic crystal for it, swapped out the battery and am very happy with the end result, because under all those years of wear and grime, the dial and hands still looked great. Always fun bringing the older stuff back to life.
What a great topic to cover TGV. Surly it comes down to one thing……….if you like it….you like it no matter if the piece is vintage or new, affordable or ultra high end. Great work again sir 🙌🏼
Found your channel a little bit ago and your approach to talking about watches, through the lenses of history and design, is absolutely fascinating and unendingly enjoyable! As to watches in the current era all I can say is as I approach my 40th birthday I’ve been trying to get off line more and live more slowly and with greater intention. As such a humble Seiko 5 SRPE has become a very good friend, pretty to look at, runs great and has a specific function that denies distraction into a hundred other things clamoring for energy I just don’t want to give. If analog watches carry on into the future, outside of luxury flexing, it’s with people who just want to live more in control of their own minds.
I have to say that I enjoy all of your videos but this one I get. You did a fantastic job weaving the discussion between watches, modern and vintage, and the march of time that we must all follow. Well done :) I think the takeaway might be, enjoy your time :)
I don't really like buying patinated watches. I like my watches to age with me and tell my story. I also don't need the hassle of a vintage watch. However I like modern varients of classic watches. Although I buy new watches, the associated history is important to me. To be honest there hasn't been a lot of interesting history made in the last 30yrs to associate a watch with. There are also very few people in political and public life who many of us would want to be associated with these days. Very thought provoking as usual TGV. Bravo.
Like parents that don't recognize their children's growth when seeing them daily, us watch lovers know so many watches that hardly any new watch can truly surprise us, as we immediately can compare it to all these other similar watches. Changes are small over time, and usually not the revolution the marketing departments promise us. But when we look at watches like other fashion objects, we can clearly distinguish the decades by their design language. So long story short, I'm certain we're still moving and very much alive in our watch world. Ask a fish how the water is today, he won't even get the question (what is water?!).
Good video. Some good points made. I only began watch collecting in 2019, when I bought an Oris Aquis. Prior to that I wore the same black tactical watch for 12 years. Thanks to YT I learned so much about watches. After learning about the Seiko Sarb033 right here on this channel I picked one up in May 2020. I believe that watch was released in the 21st century. So there are a few that have come out in this century that are good. However, I strongly agree that there are way too many that are made for "flexing". Sadly, social media has really exacerbated this condition. As for smart watches, while I can appreciate their utility, they are not for me, either. And I would love to own a vintage watch, but like buying/owning a vintage car, you really have to know what you are doing.
We often lament the decline of modern interest in watches but when you think about it there are soooooo many new watches and brands out there some new ones forming each day practically. Fashion watches (hey they may be cheap and over priced but they are still watches), homages - sometimes with better specs than the originals, micro-brands, kick-starter campaigns, new luxury brands ... plus most if not all of the existing companies have booming sales, brands that went away during the quartz crisis are coming back or those that almost died being re-energized often using back catalogues. Could we still be in the golden age of watches? New watches - something totally new you say???? Look at all the recent features on Casios (compass, barometer, thermometer, GPS, radio linked, tide indicator, elevation changes etc.) ... look at the fitness trackers - done as wrist watches ... we often hate on the 'smart watch' ... but isn't it just a completely new reimagining of the watch?
New releases from the best Japanese brands - Seiko, Citizen, Casio - are incredibly refined, beautiful, and functional. Swiss brands are a mixed bag because they are, mostly by choice, stuck in the past.
Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate hearing your thoughts. I am a product designer and often I get sense that there is a desinger in you as well.
Another great video TGV! You are one of the very few channels/people that really have an in-depth understanding and appreciation of horology and its history. I have personally been on a journey backtracking over the past 10 years going from a Deepsea to a Seamaster and now to a Hamilton Khaki and now find that the Hamilton is all I need in a watch especially as it doesn’t attract unwanted attention and the often negative perceptions that often come when you wear an expensive watch. As the greatest music artists often say ‘less is often more’. Keep up the fantastic work and thank you for keeping it real! 👍
Forgot how much I loved this channel . It’s been a while (just because I’m trying not to buy STUFF anymore - ie. watches) TGV , I agree on so many levels , especially when it comes to film ! It’s insane what happened to that industry .
There really accurate and have great options including cameras for life-saving calls if knocked out. A lot of great features. I am still a fan of the automatic/mechanical and the solar more though. The Seiko make great cross-overs as does Casio.
Great show. This one made me reflect on my collection quite a bit. I mainly wondered why I have more than one dive watch, chrono, field watch, or GShock. The surprising answer is that it seems to be more about form than function (i.e. I like the different looks rather than anything about materials or functions or movements). I mean, really, many of my watches have an NH35, 7s26, or 3226 -- the same insides with different outsides. Sure there are innovations, like Damasko switching up the hands for their chrono counter, or The Rangeman with its instant start stopwatch and barometer etc., or moon phase or GMT functions. Materials (sapphire, bronze) and specs (water resistance) can play a role too, of course, but for the most part, I'm loath to say, it's all about how they look (i.e. fashion!) with a sprinkling of extra functions thrown in. Good fun as always, TGV, thanks for the show!
Hit the nail on the head TGV, really fabulous video. I have my little eclectic collection spanning from my grandfathers Omega Geneve, right through to a couple of Casio GA2100’s. My day to day watch is an IWC Automatic Top Gun, simple yet classic with a modern twist. Though when I want to feel lucky I don my black dial Omega Seamaster Quartz. Your channel over the years has helped me value and devote wrist time to each watch in my collection.
This is just a beautiful video, TGV. I wish I could properly thank you for the pure joy and relaxation I get from watching your exquisitely crafted videos. Happy Spring!
I wanted to buy a new watch. Coming from a Seiko Chronograph, I wanted to stay with the same brand. I almost bought a solar quarts. I found your channel and watched some of your video’s and eventualy made a better choice: The Seiko Presage SSA347J1. Automatic watch. Black dial. I really love it!!!
For the best modern watches, I'd look at every watch lovers darling Casio. The Casio Royale AE-1200 came out in 2012 and I haven't heard anything bad about it. I personally also like the all black casioak. Makes feel like I'm less visible when filming on a camera for work.
Once again great video TGV. I'll admit that I wear a smartwatch at work but when I'm not at work I wear traditional watches at home or out and about. Nothing beats them. The watch that I wear that gets the most attention is my Pulsar Chronograph PF 3353. It's a quartz watch but I've never seen anything like it. It has a flip up crystal that acts as a magnifying lens. LOL
TGV, Thank you for doing this video. I'm an older man and new to watch collecting. I've always been a traditionalist as were my parents. I still take my shoes to a cobbler instead of buying new ones, I iron and always carry a hankerchief, I look forward to dinner at a fine restaurant, I love a good cigar and the company of like minded men, etc. I think the main thing that draws me to watches is just that, a nod to old world ways. I do not own a smart watch and never will. The modern, hightech world is almost intolerable. Cheers!
I think the most important part of owning watches is the emotional Connection. E.g. I own a Rolex Milgauss Z Blue because its the very first watch I realy loved and still love. But I also just bought a vintage Baume Mercier Riviera, because I love the Vintage look and heritage.
This is so much more than just a video about watches. It is a thought provoking, meaningful insight into what we have become, examining and questioning the way we have changed as a society - subjective and somewhat somber, yes. But you, sir, have just given me some answers to questions that have been bothering me for quite some time now, but which I’m just not courageous enough to face. Thank you. More of that. Please.
I enjoy modern watches that mix modern innovation with traditional/vintage designs. Hence why my collection - all newer - includes a Santos, Explorer, Speedy 3861, IWC Portugieser 7 day, OP36, to name a few.
I wear a 1972 Omega Seamaster, it was my dads, he always wore it until he broke the strap and then it just sat in his dresser, after hs passed away, my mom had it repaired via a master watchmaker who specialized in antique pieces, and I've worn it ever since. I like the idea of a field watch as an everyday watch, maybe a Hamilton Titanium, but nothing will ever mean more to me than my father 1970s Omega.
In my youth I was not concerned with what others thought about the watches I'd buy and wear, I went with what works for me and am still like that today. I don't subscribe to the hype or trends of so called fashion watches of taking a name and putting it on a $10.00 watch and then selling it for a &100.00 or more because of a name.
I tend to agree with the sentiment regarding most modern watches being a yawn. While I wear a 2021 Sub Date most days to the office, it’s not exactly inspiring or exceptional. I am inspired by modern independent watchmaking and now enjoy a rose gold Kudoke 2 which took a year to make and which I contributed to creatively. However, having just purchased a Cartier Santos Galbee XL (32mm), I now see the character and charisma that you’re referring to in neo-vintage watches and older.
TGV, I completely agree with your observations. I've noticed the trend toward larger watches. I my self have dabbled in that realm a bit, stopping at 50mm. The few watches I have in that size I don't wear anymore, settling in at 42-46mm.. The younger generation seems drawn to the larger sizes, loaded with "Bling", or the various smart watches out there.
Thanks for that TGV it is a very good thing to be reminded that what one does is important, how one does it is also important but why one does something is often more important than both, you shunted into motion a great thought train, thanks again.
I agree totally, I have almost no watches that was designed the last 25 years. And most of them was made decades ago. I have recently got a huge interest for King Seiko and Grand Seiko from the 60`s and 70`s, amazing watches that look fantastic too.
You inspired me and originally got me into watches two years ago. I instantly fell in love with the Seiko Flightmaster and since have grown my small collection with micro brands and recently a Seiko Sub mod from Father Time watches. Now being 17 I am looking to buy a Marathon GSAR which I have lusted after since I got my first Seiko. I wish to buy an Omega or a Grand Seiko in the future and I hope there will still be those classic designs by then. Thank you TGV
I found my Father's 34mm, mid 50's Tissot Visodate. It fits me like a dream. After 40 years in storage it came back to life. 34mm OP is a modern watch that seems to capture similar feel without trying to look retro. 1950's watches, size and style, seem just right, IMO.
A 1969 Visodate is next to the laptop on my desk, right now. The T12 style design so slightly larger, inner rotating bezel. Scratches on the plexi. New strap last week, picked it up for a song last year. Somewhat more brutalist than those delicate 50s pieces, but still adorable.
Crystal on mine was so badly scratched I could barely see the dial or handset. After hours of patient buffing it transformed into an incredibly beautiful watch.
TGV, this video was thought provoking and fun to watch. Your comments on watch fatigue in particular made sense. I’m about to travel to Eu from Australia for 6 months and included in this will be a trip to Bienne, Switzerland. I’m hoping that a deep dive into the history of watch creating will cure me of my particular fatigue… 🤞🏼
I'm completely relaxed with my watch style because of your attitude towards watches... right now I'm wearing a Seiko SNK on the left and a Casio W 800 HM on the right… the best beater-beater watch (the watch you wear to spare your beloved beater watch). Greetings from Old Europe.
TGV, I have to say it is so great and refreshing to see some slightly more opinionated commentary from you. Your outlook is so well balanced and you articulate it so well. Loved this one, keep it up! Cheers
Top notch video from the 80s style intro music to the breakdown of how the watch industry has been the master of it's own demise last 20 years or so.. Some manufacturers have lost their soul in their products - revamping vintage classics to making glitzy showbiz models adorned by paid Hollywood actors or sportspeople. Nothing beats nostalgia in my view ...just hope those crappy smart phones don't become "desirable" and collectable when I'm old 😯
Great show T! I feel the same way! Let’s face it a mechanical or basic digital watch is a tool for a by gone era what with the influx with throw away smart watches. I personally love the 50’s and 60’s eras of watches, tools that were dependable and needed in day to day life ! The sports watch with shock resistant engineering was pretty much the norm by then. However I’d prefer a watch made now, inspired by those era’s more than the actual thing because they are just too delicate on the outside let alone the inside! They could not handle my lifestyle!;) all the best my friend! The Casio collab is on the cards soon for sure!
@The Mad Watch Collector... you are one of a kind collects God Tier Casio s ; I hope there are more watch channel that is persistent and consistent, can stick to what he like and believes and do what he preaches, not easily shaken by the social media "likes" , not influenced by the masses what "should" you believe in.
Really appreciate your videos. i love classicly designet watches (AND sizes!) i dont wear anything over 40mm unless it is something extraordinary, i just don't like how big they look, and as always TGV your videos are a great source for entertainement, learning and unbiased watch journalism. cheers!
All good points TGV and couldn't agree more as I find myself looking for those hidden gems of the 70's, 80's, 90's and even mid 2000's. I can't give you more credit for finding the "Vintage Inspired" brand of 2022 - Nivada Grenchen. The one brand so far that went back to their roots of late 60's and early 70's, for not only dial design but case dimensions as well. All hail the the 39mm Chronograph and Diver !
Agree with a lot of this - I can't get over how good my King Turtles are, and some of my G-Shocks. Some Breitling's and Hamilton watches appeal but not some of the Rolexes I see and certainly not Richard Mille. Lockdown has caused a lot of watch frenzy but when people eventually go back to the office full time, function will begin to be more important.
My family era for ⌚ watches was the 60s and 70's. I like some modern watches but I gravitate towards vintage styles Explorer1 ,Heuer Monaco, Hanhart 417, Doxa Sub 300 Aquastar Deepstar to name some Great video brotha 👌
That is such a great age, the 50s was the time of the pioneering iconic watches, but it was the 60s and 70s that took them to a new level and perfected them before the great crisis too effect. I don't blame you my friend, cracking selections of brands, thank you LWM! Best regards, TGV
Great video. I find most modern watches to be too thick, too big, and too boring. I don’t get a sense of charm or individuality with most of them, just like most any new car. A big pet peeve is so many new watches having a silly little date window that ruins the symmetry of a watch
I believe you mistook your Louises there TGV. Louis XIV died of natural causes, unlike Louis XVI...
Indeed, dyslexia and Roman numerals do mix 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for pointing it out.
Best regards,
TGV
I was just about to say the same.
Me too, although Louis XIV did leave his country in a mess after years of war against neighboring countries and neatly paved the way for Louis XVI to get his head cut off by a collection of irate influencers.
This confusion would not have happened, if the name of the Sun King was spelled Louis XIIII, watch-dial conform :-)
And he was forever after known as Louis the XV1/2
I think one of the biggest issues with new watches nowadays is there isn't actually any "real" use cases for them, in terms of actually being tools, which stifles actual innovation. Dive watches, pilot watches, chronographs, etc, those were all specifically made for divers, pilots, racecar drivers, and other professionals to ACTUALLY use a long time ago, so naturally all the companies were competing with one another to see who could one up each other and make the BEST versions of these watches, or straight up invent new styles of watches in the first place! Oh, we need to time cars racing by, let's invent the chronograph! Oh, I need to track how long I've been underwater, let's invent the dive watch! Oh, I need to go to space, better create the Moonwatch!
Nowadays, everything uses computers, so watches are "outdated" and as a result, are sold as luxury "historical" pieces that are interesting BECAUSE they're out of date. Because of this, watch companies have almost no interest in actually innovating or creating anything too new, because the fact the mechanical watch is already this outdated technology, makes them something people want to buy. It's a paradox, it used to be a technology that would constantly be developed because it was something people actually relied on to help them with their jobs, but now it's an outdated technology that's just kept around because it's outdated. Just look at every new watch release lately, even with new movements and stuff, it's just reliability, power storage, or accuracy upgrades, or the addition of hacking and handwinding. Outside of Spring Drive and Accutron, there's no real improvements with watches. There's no "new" types of watches either being invented, we're decades in and we're still wearing dive watches, chronographs, pilots watches, and dress watches. I can't think of any new categories being invented in the space.
*This.*
I'm a younger person, however, I still love the original purpose and intricate engineering that goes into mechanical watches. And for that reason, I had to gather a few pieces to have a collection that was/is meaningful to me and can be worn daily. Therefore, I have decided to pick up a few Sinn pieces over time as they are more of a modern batch of tool watches. The ones I snag have a tegimented finish (making them rather durable and more scratch proof) and aren't super shiny/sparkly like the watches from all of the current major brands. Oh, and importantly for me, they offer smaller sized pieces that fit my tiny ferret wrists lol!
I happily wear my U50-T and 144 60th Anniversary Edition and will add my third and final Sinn piece to the collection this upcoming Autumn when my U50 S BS arrives. I'm super excited for it as I love the color scheme! =D
Innovation has just moved on. Innovation and new uses are being put into the (dreaded) Apple watch, while we, the watchers of this channel, are still trying to find the best made buggy whip. The day of the mechanical watch is fading. (Doesn't mean I don't love them...it's just the truth that we must eventually accept).
Agree, all analog watch technically a "Fashion Watch" at this stage.
What a good fucking comment. Saving this.
my only use case is timing my weekly swimming which is mandatory for work. the clock in our local swimming hall is digital and switches between temperatures of each pool and the time so it shows the time every 30 secs for about 3 seconds. in order to not stare to the side all the time i wear a cheap diver like Promaster NY0040 or Orient Mako. No digital will do as I would toally panic about pushing any kind of button in water. no matter how high the WR is stated.
Easily one of my favorite episodes of the show. I remember I saved for a year for an Omega Speedmaster because some of my favorite Formula 1 drivers wore them. Now they all wear Ricard Mile watches and... Yeah, I'll stick with the old Omega! 😅
Which driver?
Also Leclerc just got mugged for his RM. Norris and Leclerc have now both had their RM's stolen.
RM sponsors some of the F1 teams so the drivers are compelled to wear/advertise that watch. Sad to hear about the muggings though.
@@user-go9tc3cw4b I think Lando got his back , horrible experience for anyone, he's in the lime light but he is still a effectively a child.
Good evening TGV, one of the problems I often see in modern watch designs is that the watches often are either to gaudi or that they want to please a large crowd. Older pieces are built for a purpose (diver, pilot watch), something I find quite appealing. Have a great evening! Best regards!
Fully agree! TGV, I too value the historicity of my timepieces, that's the main parameter in my small collection. Really new watches are a minority here, not that I don't like any of the new models, some of them I do like, but those are way over my possibilities. Meanwhile, I keep enjoying my '76 Longines, that keeps -2/+4 seconds a day. My birthyear watch is a Seiko H556 :) . Keep up the good work, I've bought my Seiko "Fifty five Fathoms" because of your review and very happy with it.
Yes all the most popular modern steel sports watches aren’t purpose built. Come on Heiko.
Such a good point!
Modern watches are designed to please the market which is nouveau rich Russians and Chinese.
I think the Rolex trend has done a lot to put me off of collecting watches, especially expensive ones. The illusion of shortages causing the used market prices to spike insanely. I thought about buying a Rolex a couple years ago and now the watch I was considering went up 3k on the used market... it is ridiculous.
Collecting watches doesn’t necessarily means collecting Rolex
I own a Rolex I bought new many years ago. I love Rolex watches, but they are so overpriced, I will no longer purchase any more. Oris, Squale, Rado, and Hamilton all make great watches I am interested in now.
i went to a rolex ad. when they started bullsh!ting about the scarcity i smiled, left the shop and went across the street to an omega shop, where voila everything is available. I didnt feel less luxurious just because they have watches available in the store :)))
As of recently I have taken a break from staring at watches all the time. I have stopped looking on Ebay and Chrono24 late at night (weve all been there) and instead I have spent more time in the real world. cutting down your "watch time" to a minimum is a necessity to living a happier life, and it is also makes you less fatigued and grumpy. I recommend everyone who is into watches does the same, especially if you truly feel this way about the modern world and It's watches.
Best regards, Jamie.
I am very much with you Jamie, I drastically cut down the ebay watch hunting.
Great comment and recommendation, thank you for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
Great advice, Jamie. At times I feel like I’m almost too much into watches it’s becoming unhealthy. Always looking for the next piece; browsing the forums; watching RUclips videos etc. it’s addictive! Seeking a Rolex piece in particular can also be frustrating & demoralising! Awaiting ‘the call’ (that may never happen) can really grate you down especially as a watch-lover & enthusiast when so many people seem to acquire them & flip! Anyway, I’m glad you’ve found a happier approach to this hobby :-) Cheers!
Ah yes, the obsessive hunting 😅 we’ve all been there
You could say the same about cake, alcohol and hookers. Just indulge in your vice once a week and there is no problem. Just don’t tell the wife.
Especially if you cant afford one, but feel like you can get it "one day"
Absolutely agree on the "New Watch Fatigue" point. I'm also a MASSIVE car enthusiast and I think the parallels between watches and cars are razor thin. I'm BEYOND exhausted with the uninspired designs and engineering behind cars. Every new release from the high end companies is met with an eyeroll. In the higher end, they're all so fast they're indistinguishable from the others in their class. And in the looks department? From the outside they're all blending together, and the interiors are all so focused on minimalism and tech that they're sacrificing user involvement. Driver engagement has completely fallen the wayside! You used to be able to DRIVE your supercars. Now they're so fast you basically push a button and it has to drive itself, or you're going to swiftly be outpaced by your car.
theres nothing wrong with new german car designs......except they all look like poorly copied mazdas
@@veretindale5314 Mercedes' sedans all look the same. You can barely distinguish them from one another. Their crossovers have the same problem. Audi has the exact same issue on both fronts, and BMW suffers not only from the same lookalike syndrome, but they're all vomit inducing.
My 2022 Subaru BRZ, naturally aspirated, rear wheel drive manual sports car is a joy to drive everyday, a real drivers car. The near twin Toyota 86s are another great option.
I was going to leave a comment, but you’ve said it all here!
"Exhausted" nice pun.
I really enjoyed this discussion. Always happy to see the Nerd Crew getting the recognition they deserve. VERY COOL!
The part that I found most interesting was the vulgarity part. I can tell ya that I've been thinking a lot about this recently. As the economy continues in it's current trajectory, a lot more people are struggling financially and with that knowledge I've found a bit of guilt with wearing a watche that is $500 or $2000. I can't even imagine wearing one that was $100,000 or $500,000.
As always thanks for the thought provoking video.
Very interesting insight and one that I had not considered. Thanks for your comment.
I had this exact same conversation about guilt and vulgarity with my grey market dealerwhile I was shopping for watches a month ago... Reconciling that I'm buying a $8,000 anachronistic toy while people struggle...
give the "extra money" you use for watches to charity and donate it to people in poverty if it really matters to you. Problem solved. If you prefer to buy a watch with that money, enjoy your watch without all these "worries". In the end it is a matter of choice ,you can give your "extra" money to charity and people in need or use it to buy items you like, find out which is your REAL priority and what is most important to you.
My advice to people who want to get into watches: JUST GET A SEIKO DIVER AND END IT ALL BEFORE IT OVERTAKES YOUR EVERYTHING. SKX, TURTLE, MONSTER..
YOU PICK IT.
🤣🤣🤣👏👏 Best advice ever! You might miss out on a ton of fun, but damn you will be so much more well off!!!
Thank you Taylor, great comment.
Best regards,
TGV
Oh I did that 5 years ago, didn't work out as now have a dozen watches, That skx has cost me thousands haha....
I’m trying to stop but I can’t stop. The citizen ny0040 started it for me
Great advice but it doesn’t work hahahahha 😂😂
@@Colorado_Ronin I need a NY0040 really really bad
I'm watching your channel for years, this is one of your best videos. I totally agree with you-this is why I gave my vintage seamaster to a watchmaker for a light restoration. You are not an influencer- you inspire us, you're not trying to be trendy like others you have your opinion and you support it effectively. Keep on-dare to say-my friend.
I appreciate how candid and honest you were in this video, TGV. You didn't pull punches but at the same time you explained your thoughts in a tactful and classy manner. I too found myself becoming more drawn to vintage watches. Recently I got my hands on a Tudor Prince Oysterdate and I'm absolutely in love. There's a certain charm about vintage timepieces!
TGV I think there is one major point that you are missing. Great video btw I loved all of your points. The main issue with watches today that you started to say was that they are status symbols. This is because we have a pocket watch in our pocket at all times. We do not need the watch to know the time anymore so most companies have noticed this (Rolex) and make the watches more eye-catching because they are used as jewelry pieces and not for a purpose. For example, if you actually professionally dive you are probably going to use a dive computer. Since watches are more jewelry purchases they have become more of a commodity to invest in. This has now spiraled out of control into what we have today. Since we made the wristwatch and non-computer clocks so replaceable it has led to what they make today.
All true! Most "new" watches are just a simple color change or an internal upgrade that you won't even notice but will cost you more. Grand Seiko has been killing it though. They just released a new GMT that is gorgeous. Hope all is well. Cheers!
But isnt a movement upgrade on an already great watch a good thing? If the upgrade justifies the price im totally fine
@@watch_a_mod354 I agree with you for the most part but Tiffany blue dial should not be worth a premium over the same watch with a different color dial.
@@jeremycorrao it shouldn't. It has nothing to do with the dial but a way to overall increase the price of a model. With each release the prices are climbing. If people continue buying it won't stop
I think a lot of watches try to have this “mass appeal” and end up appealing to nobody instead of making a watch for a type of wearer. I love micro brands for this reason…to get into the market they need to segment the market in ways that major brands who bank on their pop culture cache don’t.
Totally agree here. I hope this will never change.... more established microbrands get more and more "expensive" tho. I was lucky to pull the trigger on the first ZELOS Swordship titanium back then. Whats you preferred price range when it comes to microbrands? The MONTAs started less humble than others
Very interesting premise. I think that a lot of brands have a vintage inspired collection for this reason. Think about the CK859 from Omega this year. A rare beauty to be honest.
I bought this year 3 Seiko watches : a Seiko diver solar chronograph, the Antarctica Monster, and a Seiko 5 with a 7S26 movement - I love them all to death ... the first two are divers and they make me to dream of adventures and trips, but the Seiko 5 has that retro dial like '80 - '90, it reminds me of all the dreams of my youth, I bought it especially for that beautiful dial ...
i love vintage designs and sizes, but the efficacy of standardized modern movements is impressive (eta 2824, miyota 9015, seiko 6r35) as is guaranteed water resistance new from the factory instead of water resistance based off of seals and gaskets from 1968. And new photoluminescent markers are nice because original tritium or radium has long since decayed. so a new vintage inspired watch is a wonderful compromise for me. Especially if it falls in line with vintage sizing, i much prefer a 34-38mm watch to a contemporary 44mm beast, even if it is a new watch marketed as a women's watch.
Modern "cheap" watches in the sub $500 or $1,000 range offer more than any vintage watch can. I too like modern accuracy, lume, water resistance, materials, etc. etc. etc. but with more sedated, classic looks
Dear TGV, this video was greatly needed in my opinion. Your points are fantastic and you give exactly the right arguments to defend them. You really are one of the few people left with complete integrity. Please never change!
Amazing video TGV. You are that nostalgic guilty pleasure that I indulge in when it comes to watch content and I've indulged more hours than I'm happy to admit. You were pretty much one of the first, if not the first, watch channel that I started watching when I got into the hobby. You've recommended so many amazing pieces to me over the years. Thank you my friend. I've always loved watching you primarily because of your personality. So much class, so much respect for the hobby, and you're very open minded. I've always loved your personal stories, the historical context you provide when you review a piece, and I love your honest non sponsored opinions. I also love when you inject some of your personality into the video and recommend some random but useful gadget or product that you use in your everyday life (non sponsorship stuff of course) or give us some musicians or artists to check out! You are that watch nostalgic connection for me my friend. Maybe I'll run into you some day, until then take care and I'll see you on the next vid!
Size too! The early 2000s everything got huge. I love a lot of the designs but my personal taste makes me wish they were scaled down. But I think it is coming full circle and more brands are putting out smaller watches in the 36 to 40 mm range. I really have my eye on that new Glycine Combat Sub 39mm.
YESSSSSSS!!!!! So true on the first point and I do hope so. 36 is the new 39, 40 the new 42/44, well I hope!
Great comment, thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry How could you guys be so selfish, thinking only about yourselves !?
What do guys like me, (been a powerlifter for 20 years, 6’’2 and over 300 lbs) are supposed to wear then !? A 36 or a 39mm perhaps 🤣?
Not every men are midgets or shaped like hobbits like you guys !!! You have to understand this !!
On my 23,5 cm wrist, a 40 mm looks like a baby’s watch ! Nothing under 42/44mm suits me. What am I supposed to do then ? Forget about horology which is also my passion because you guys want to dictate watch sizes ? How stupid is that ? So please stop making such stupid comments !
It would be as stupid as saying everyone shoe size should be US 6,5 / EU 38 ! What would you do if your shoe size is a good US 13 like me ? Walk bare foot ? Just because some morons explained that nothing over 7 looks nice…?
Use your brains for god’s sake !
I am at the age where I don't worry about impressing anyone! I wear what I like...larger watches. Plus, I have the wrist for them...my wrist measures in at 23 cm...basically 9 inches! But, I am 6'6"...
@@larryd4352 I would like to have a huge wrist but alas, I don't. I like a lot of big watches, but not the way they wear on me, I'm glad you can pull them off. I agree, everyone should wear what they like.
Got the combat sub in December and I really do think for what they go for online, it’s a tremendous value. The bracelets they use are ok and they look better on a tropic rubber or nato strap.
well, I actually love Grand Seiko and their creations of the 4 seasons, and even if they they do have vintage watches I still feel attracted to their modern and newer releases. (BUT in saying that I do feel as if the watch community is being gatekept (is that a word?) by the absurd prices and that modern watches have lost their meaning or purpose and is now just to make money for their businesses)
I think Longines struck a nice balance with their Heritage pieces, being a bit modern and also vintage inspired. But they're still vintage inspired off course. Not totally new designs. I have the titanium Avigation Bigeye and I just love it. It is the watch I got for my 40th birthday and my first more expensive one. Love this video!
A great commentary on the current state of the industry. Rather than tool watches, the focus is on status and luxury.
With all due and respect, I believe that as you get older you are more prone to prefer vintage watches and reminice of the past. I love modern watches for their technological supperiority and to think of what can be in the future, instead of the past. That is my take :) Great video as always.
i agree but would like to add that imo i do prefer "vintage designs" more than modern ones. Having a vintage design with a warranty and water resistance is the best solution. Vintage watches / vintage designs have soul whereas modern designs might eventually get boring. Ultimate exclusion: URWERK hehe
I can’t reminisce of the past that I never existed in! I prefer the styles from the 1920’s to the 1960’s yet was born in 73. It’s not all about nostalgia.
What also struck me the most about vintage pieces is, that that are not pretentious at all, they are true to their character. They are not trying to be something they are not. The patina, the signs of wear, the old movement, tell such a story. Modern versions of the same timepieces rarely achieve the charme.
Thanks TGV for telling it like it is. So refreshing to hear someone who doesn’t pander to the modern trends.
It's clear that watch manufacturers have played into the hype more and more in the post millennial era, especially the big names. A couple of them have even made the hype culture an integral part of their business model. I'm still a modern watch kind of a guy, but it has become more and more difficult to find pieces that appeal to me, as they all have either moved out of reach financially or are just scarce as hell.
Also, I just noticed you're about to hit half a million subs, TGV. An early congrats is in order 🥂
This really piques my interest! What a interesting topic, TGV! I’ll be watching with the family this evening. Thanks much, my friend!
So true TGV. My collection is rapidly moving to vintage. Love my Seiko king and Lord models more than I ever imagined I would. I’ve got a swatch I got on my birthday 40 years ago which I adore. Modern watches feel clinical in comparison.
"Clinical", a great word for it. Spot on, thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
To many extents I agree, while not really old but getting there my favorite watch I own is my 42mm Omega Seamaster Plant Ocean 2500, matte black dial/black bezel with white tri arabic's and there is nothing new that Omega produces that could make me want to replace that watch, it's looks more harken back to the classic Seamaster's of the late 60's while still being of modern construction, the newer versions while being amazing quality are much shinier and are missing the more elegant and subdued toolish aesthetic of my model from 2008, it has such a timeless design that I've come to only appreciate more as years pass, I'll continue to enjoy this watch for many more years to come.
As a borderline gen x/millenial I still find it odd to think everything used to be better. Like, comparing all modern movies to the few classics that have survived for generations is pointless. How many shit movies do you think came out in 1954, the same year as Seven Samurai? As far as watches go, I will likely never buy another vintage watch because I want something I don't have to worry about living with. That means showering, swimming, playing outside. They look incredible. The history is wonderful. The size much better suits me. But they're not compatible with my lifestyle.
@Skratch Rapture steam isn't going to get in a properly tested 200m watch. I shower, hot tub, and swim in anything 100m or more. Modern watches can easily handle it. Hell, before I knew what I was doing, I changed the time on my old SKX in the shower! No issues at all though I don't recommend ;)
I genuinely enjoy both vintage and modern. My newest piece is the Tudor Black Bay Pro but the vintage Omega Seamasters always catch my eye. My challenge with vintage, really my only challenge, is their size. I have 8+ inch wrists and watches that are 36mm or smaller make it look like I'm wearing a ladies watch. Even the Black Bay Pro at 39mm looks a bit small but not unwearable.
The problem with modern watches is there doesn’t seem to be an original design. The best stuff recently has been the homage watches to designs from the 60s and 70s. Both of those decades has such fantastic original designs. I’ve become a fan of Farer which as a young brand uses great pops of color and interesting design language. Also, it seems like a ton of brands are just trying to copy the big dogs in some way. I cannot be the only one tired of Rolex homages and speaking of which, everyone seems to like the Tudor black bay which to me is just a high end Rolex knock off. Tudor I feel did design best when they had original designs like the fastrider or the north flag but those all don’t sell as well. Omega had two original designs in the 90s with the constellation and seamaster 300 and have been riding that and the Moonwatch. I can rant for a while…couldn’t agree with you more TGV.
Are you referring to like lorier watches? Because I’d argue the true innovation from modern era watches are micro brands. Yes they take style cues from the past but then they add on top. You can say it’s an homage to the 60s but the actual design itself is 2010s.
true indeed... golden years 60s and 70s are the best
Working late here in Blighty TGV. Another top video to get me through it! All the best 🦖
TGV, I've ordered a Seiko Dolce SACM 150 and its 34mm! My watch collection started with larger 42 mm watches, now I'm buying much smaller watches. Would love a video on the Dolce. It has a crazy super accurate quartz movement +/- 10 s a year
As a 26 y.o watch lover I am agreeing with you.
We live in a society where watch factories are making watches for those new social media generations.
Fast, new and affordable. And this idea concept is killing watches.
-Your fan Niccolò from Italy
Generally, I agree. There's a crudeness and vulgarity in many "high end" watches that would make Invicta recoil. I think this is a reflection of the changes in society that place a premium on the self and attracting attention to the self.
By the way, I believe it was Louis xvi that got his head lopped off, not Louis xiv. 😁
Ironically I think Invicta was ahead of the game when it comes to over the top designs and decoration we looked at them and laughed or shook our heads but look at all the blinged out Rolex's now (I was watching videos reporting back on the latest releases at Watches and Wonders)? As well as other brands with their designs - Think Omega 'Moonswatch'. Think of the releases that are the same watch but with different dials or themes 'Seiko Antactica' a monster with the penguin feet on the dial or same watch different case material or different color combinations etc.
Again TGV you are right on track. My 1969 Rolex Oyster Date to me is along with my Seamaster 120 the perfect watches. They are both timeless !
As a watch enthusiast myself, I couldn’t agree more my friend. There was a time when having a winding watch was almost as exciting as having a car. Now it’s all about who has the more expensive toy, and how many people are jealous of you. Stay real and don’t give up. There are a few of us still around 😉
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I have seen a lot of bad design lately, especially with very oversized watches that seem to not care about comfort, but only about making a statement.
I've been a fan of the channel for quite some time, but I have to say that I'm confused by this video. Haven't the majority of Urban Gentry videos basically praised post-2000 watches? I feel like that's been the backbone of the channel, at least in terms of raw quantity. People have the right to change their opinions, of course, but if this video is sincere, I'm not sure where it leaves the channel.
Absolutely Aaron, in fact I address these points in this video quite clearly, especially the part about designing watches and trying to do something new with them if possible each time. Despite my preference and changing tastes, I still look at new watches with an open mind as I'm always willing to try new things. I review watches not just for myself to learn, but also pieces the audience may be interested in too, or are relevant to cover because of something of interest. That is also a reason why I try to introduce a brand not previously covered before, every month or so too. Enjoy and thank you for the support.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Thanks for the reply. I think I made the mistake of confusing your personal tastes with what the channel covers; in hindsight, the two things can obviously be different. Keep up the great work!
The Gentry doesn't gather to see the latest, but the greatest.
As I watch all of my “grail” watches slowly disappear over the horizon of overpriced, I battle back by just building my own watches. Its been an amazing journey. I have many watches, but there’s nothing quite like the ones I build for myself and friends.
This escalated quickly ! hehe. Must be indeed exciting:If it doesnt exist: build it yourself :) Modding and crafting dials is what i chose to cope with the watch prices out there.
@@watch_a_mod354 do you have a website? Id love to see what your designs look like.
@@romanglick Thanks for your interest. I got a humble instagram channel so far.
watch_a_mod
there is a link in my YT bio
Fair points all around. I'm personally undecided. For example, Grand Seiko makes a lot of what I'd call "new" watches, and I adore them. But a lot of newer, flashier things really do leave me cold. I guess it's situational.
Me:* Looks at my modern-ish midsize Seamaster * "He didn't mean you, you've done nothing wrong."
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Indeed. Love a midsize Seamaster.
Thank you Kyle,
Best regards,
TGV
This video is perfect. You said everything that bugs me about the current watch market in coherent manner which I've not been able to express myself. Thank you.
It must be difficult to design a watch in an era where they have been replaced by smartphones and the like. The Apple Watch can be seen as an innovative and iconic piece of design, but it does seem that the market’s favourite pieces are often 50 years old.
Spot on, on both accounts! It is extremely difficult, anyone who succeeds deserves profound respect.
As for favorite pieces, very true.
Thank you Toby,
Best regards,
TGV
Well technically you're wrong there, the sales figures show that the market's favourite piece is also the Apple Watch, which is the highest selling watch in history. It is in every way an iconic watch. But it does not have the nostalgia and history that the small watch loving community looks for. It's basically like the pocket watch wielding gentry scoffing at the idea of a wrist watch when the tides turned. But here we are today, a point that is sure to come back in a 100 years with the nostalgia for the Apple Watch.
@@REDnBLACKnRED A smart watch does things the _Swiss Watch Mafia,_ and their unpaid army of simps, knows they can't achieve and don't even pretend to try and do. Show me a mechanical heart rate sensor and weather station. Now do it for $500 and add a stock ticker, calendar, stop watch, timer and a hundred other functions. Smart watches are so much above and beyond what mechanical watches are capable of that it's unfair to compare the two.
My personal solution is to wear a fitness tracker on one wrist and a traditional watch on the other
Apple "watch" is a screen, not a watch
Got to sit down with the family and watch this episode together! My whole family was wondering what you were going to say since nearly my ENTIRE collection from Tudor, to Dan Henry, Casio, Steinhart, and Squale are all vintage/ vintage inspired! I am very very glad that modern capabilities exist. This modernity has allowed me to have vintage inspired pieces that I can afford and enjoy, while not having to have either been alive to purchase the originals when they were new. It also has allowed for thing likes solid end-links’s and more reliable and accurate movements be supplied with these excellent pieces. My Tudor GMT, for example, is absolutely inspired from the original Rolex GMT Master, but is at a price I can afford and has specs that BEAT the original! I get the nostalgia and get a watch I am not terrified to wear daily. At the same time, I like you, TGV, adore history. NONE of my pieces are “modern” or “new”. ALL of my pieces HAVE to have a reason for my purchase. Not only a tie to history, but a tie to history that is analogous in my life personally. The only watch I have that has no direct vintage lineage is my Certina DS Action diver, but even that has a very historic brand affiliation and design cues from the Seamaster. I totally agree with you that many watches are worn as status symbols, instead of appreciating the pieces for what they have contributed to the story of horological importance. This is another reason I love having my Squale, Steinhart, Orient, and Dan Henry pieces!! With these I can show how wonderful these pieces are in quality, and tell the historical story of why they were made, the historical significance of the original designs they were inspired by, and how accessible they are. This is my way of hopefully bringing others into the fold of the watch hobby.
I completely agree that the incessant “chatter” about Rolex and other “trending” brands is so repetitious that it is revolting. I’d much rather hear about your Hanhart,my LeJour, your Lorier, my Certina, our Squale, or any Dan Henry than nearly any fashionable new release from a brand producing watches as a status symbol.
As I was just telling my son this morning (he is looking to save towards his first vehicle and is interested in a truly capable SUV), Rolex has always been a marketing machine but back in the 50s Rolex was akin to a Land Rover of the same era - it was intended to go anywhere and do anything. Now, Rolex is a Lamborghini….exhausting difficult to find, purchase and enjoy and idiotically expensive. Land Rover has followed that same vein. A similar analogy could be found via perhaps an Toyota LandCruiser and Citizen. Both of those are truly modern capable go anywhere tools that Everyman can acquire use and enjoy for the rest of their lives…but they are not viewed as status symbols. They are nice but not lusted after..much as Rolex and Land Rover were in the past.
Anyway, I have a feeling you and I see squarely eye to eye on all of this, much as we do about Madam Gaga and Pish Spice’s husband (I love my Tudor, but I almost couldn’t buy it because they are affiliated with Tudor now 🤢). I am sure that many carafes of coffee would be consumed prior to the exhaustion of this topic.
Very wonderfully well done, my friend. Thank you for the insight, education, and entertainment. A pleasure as always.
Onward and upward!
Be well!
I was born in 2002. It gets difficult to find a cool birth-year watch, other than Rolex..
WOW, that is seriously cool to hear from such a young watch enthusiast. While I pity your plight, knowing there are such young watch enthusiasts out there fills me with hope! Thank you for your comment.
Best regards,
TGV
P.s. May I suggest maybe a newer micro brand perhaps? Dan Henry, Hemel, Lorier, etc. Or a great brand with heritage doing new things like Squale, Fortis, Hanhart, etc.
I mean, what types of watches do you like and how much could you spend? They are weird and quirky but that is around the end of the Seiko kinetic line. Or a Bond-style Seamaster pre-ceramic.
I’m in the exact same boat. I ended up with an Omega Seamaster Automatic 120m. Highly recommend you check those out.
I'd go with an Omega Seamaster 300 GMT 2834.50.91 from 2002
Sorry, but what applies to watches also applies to people. New versions are female hive-minded products of the Borg.
The biggest letdown for me as an affordable watch collector is that my favorite brand (Seiko) has moved up market. Gone were the days you could buy a brand new seiko 5 for less than 100 usd. If the new seiko 5s didnt double in price i would collect them all in a heartbeat.
Seiko 5s are still considered cheap
Wow.What a thoughtful video, possibly my favorite one ever.You can see the time and effort put into it.I love watching the clips thru the vintage TV border.As an aside I would state that all watches "just look better"in smaller mid century sizes . However there are still plenty of good modern watches out there that approximate the vintage classic look of the 20th century.As an example the Longines Conquest Heritage 35mm and the Seiko Sarb 033
I have two main issues with vintage watches, both quite significant to me…1) build quality, and hence reliability, is often crap, particularly on jangly bracelets which were often stamped rather than milled, and 2) they are so dainty they look effeminate…unless you have wrists like a nine year old girl….which would just be sad
I’m a simple guy. I get pleasure from my Seikos, Citizens, Longines, Hamiltons, Glycines, Tissots , etc. You are a man of culture as evidenced in your comments about film. I like your anti-snobbishness. You get to the heart of a concept rather than dwell within the noise.
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Damn you win the internet today
Yep a 20 min video posted 16 mins ago has comments . W.O.E. Are people watching on fast forward. Me I will take my time to fully enjoy TGV's wit and wisdom. Expect a comment in the next day or so. Richard
I also find myself swinging more towards vintage watches these days, especially those of the toolish variety. A friend recently gifted me a 1970's Seiko Gold quartz watch in pretty rough shape. I sourced a new acrylic crystal for it, swapped out the battery and am very happy with the end result, because under all those years of wear and grime, the dial and hands still looked great. Always fun bringing the older stuff back to life.
What a great topic to cover TGV.
Surly it comes down to one thing……….if you like it….you like it no matter if the piece is vintage or new, affordable or ultra high end.
Great work again sir 🙌🏼
Found your channel a little bit ago and your approach to talking about watches, through the lenses of history and design, is absolutely fascinating and unendingly enjoyable! As to watches in the current era all I can say is as I approach my 40th birthday I’ve been trying to get off line more and live more slowly and with greater intention. As such a humble Seiko 5 SRPE has become a very good friend, pretty to look at, runs great and has a specific function that denies distraction into a hundred other things clamoring for energy I just don’t want to give. If analog watches carry on into the future, outside of luxury flexing, it’s with people who just want to live more in control of their own minds.
I have to say that I enjoy all of your videos but this one I get. You did a fantastic job weaving the discussion between watches, modern and vintage, and the march of time that we must all follow. Well done :) I think the takeaway might be, enjoy your time :)
I don't really like buying patinated watches. I like my watches to age with me and tell my story. I also don't need the hassle of a vintage watch. However I like modern varients of classic watches. Although I buy new watches, the associated history is important to me. To be honest there hasn't been a lot of interesting history made in the last 30yrs to associate a watch with. There are also very few people in political and public life who many of us would want to be associated with these days. Very thought provoking as usual TGV. Bravo.
Like parents that don't recognize their children's growth when seeing them daily, us watch lovers know so many watches that hardly any new watch can truly surprise us, as we immediately can compare it to all these other similar watches. Changes are small over time, and usually not the revolution the marketing departments promise us. But when we look at watches like other fashion objects, we can clearly distinguish the decades by their design language. So long story short, I'm certain we're still moving and very much alive in our watch world. Ask a fish how the water is today, he won't even get the question (what is water?!).
Good video. Some good points made. I only began watch collecting in 2019, when I bought an Oris Aquis. Prior to that I wore the same black tactical watch for 12 years. Thanks to YT I learned so much about watches. After learning about the Seiko Sarb033 right here on this channel I picked one up in May 2020. I believe that watch was released in the 21st century. So there are a few that have come out in this century that are good. However, I strongly agree that there are way too many that are made for "flexing". Sadly, social media has really exacerbated this condition. As for smart watches, while I can appreciate their utility, they are not for me, either. And I would love to own a vintage watch, but like buying/owning a vintage car, you really have to know what you are doing.
We often lament the decline of modern interest in watches but when you think about it there are soooooo many new watches and brands out there some new ones forming each day practically. Fashion watches (hey they may be cheap and over priced but they are still watches), homages - sometimes with better specs than the originals, micro-brands, kick-starter campaigns, new luxury brands ... plus most if not all of the existing companies have booming sales, brands that went away during the quartz crisis are coming back or those that almost died being re-energized often using back catalogues.
Could we still be in the golden age of watches?
New watches - something totally new you say???? Look at all the recent features on Casios (compass, barometer, thermometer, GPS, radio linked, tide indicator, elevation changes etc.) ... look at the fitness trackers - done as wrist watches ... we often hate on the 'smart watch' ... but isn't it just a completely new reimagining of the watch?
New releases from the best Japanese brands - Seiko, Citizen, Casio - are incredibly refined, beautiful, and functional. Swiss brands are a mixed bag because they are, mostly by choice, stuck in the past.
Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate hearing your thoughts. I am a product designer and often I get sense that there is a desinger in you as well.
Another great video TGV! You are one of the very few channels/people that really have an in-depth understanding and appreciation of horology and its history.
I have personally been on a journey backtracking over the past 10 years going from a Deepsea to a Seamaster and now to a Hamilton Khaki and now find that the Hamilton is all I need in a watch especially as it doesn’t attract unwanted attention and the often negative perceptions that often come when you wear an expensive watch.
As the greatest music artists often say ‘less is often more’.
Keep up the fantastic work and thank you for keeping it real! 👍
Forgot how much I loved this channel . It’s been a while (just because I’m trying not to buy STUFF anymore - ie. watches) TGV , I agree on so many levels , especially when it comes to film ! It’s insane what happened to that industry .
There really accurate and have great options including cameras for life-saving calls if knocked out. A lot of great features. I am still a fan of the automatic/mechanical and the solar more though. The Seiko make great cross-overs as does Casio.
Great show. This one made me reflect on my collection quite a bit. I mainly wondered why I have more than one dive watch, chrono, field watch, or GShock. The surprising answer is that it seems to be more about form than function (i.e. I like the different looks rather than anything about materials or functions or movements). I mean, really, many of my watches have an NH35, 7s26, or 3226 -- the same insides with different outsides. Sure there are innovations, like Damasko switching up the hands for their chrono counter, or The Rangeman with its instant start stopwatch and barometer etc., or moon phase or GMT functions. Materials (sapphire, bronze) and specs (water resistance) can play a role too, of course, but for the most part, I'm loath to say, it's all about how they look (i.e. fashion!) with a sprinkling of extra functions thrown in. Good fun as always, TGV, thanks for the show!
Hit the nail on the head TGV, really fabulous video.
I have my little eclectic collection spanning from my grandfathers Omega Geneve, right through to a couple of Casio GA2100’s.
My day to day watch is an IWC Automatic Top Gun, simple yet classic with a modern twist. Though when I want to feel lucky I don my black dial Omega Seamaster Quartz.
Your channel over the years has helped me value and devote wrist time to each watch in my collection.
This is just a beautiful video, TGV. I wish I could properly thank you for the pure joy and relaxation I get from watching your exquisitely crafted videos. Happy Spring!
I wanted to buy a new watch. Coming from a Seiko Chronograph, I wanted to stay with the same brand. I almost bought a solar quarts. I found your channel and watched some of your video’s and eventualy made a better choice: The Seiko Presage SSA347J1. Automatic watch. Black dial. I really love it!!!
For the best modern watches, I'd look at every watch lovers darling Casio. The Casio Royale AE-1200 came out in 2012 and I haven't heard anything bad about it. I personally also like the all black casioak. Makes feel like I'm less visible when filming on a camera for work.
Once again great video TGV. I'll admit that I wear a smartwatch at work but when I'm not at work I wear traditional watches at home or out and about. Nothing beats them. The watch that I wear that gets the most attention is my Pulsar Chronograph PF 3353. It's a quartz watch but I've never seen anything like it. It has a flip up crystal that acts as a magnifying lens. LOL
Your visceral reaction 18:20 to Richard M**** is gold!
TGV, Thank you for doing this video. I'm an older man and new to watch collecting. I've always been a traditionalist as were my parents. I still take my shoes to a cobbler instead of buying new ones, I iron and always carry a hankerchief, I look forward to dinner at a fine restaurant, I love a good cigar and the company of like minded men, etc. I think the main thing that draws me to watches is just that, a nod to old world ways. I do not own a smart watch and never will. The modern, hightech world is almost intolerable. Cheers!
I think the most important part of owning watches is the emotional Connection. E.g. I own a Rolex Milgauss Z Blue because its the very first watch I realy loved and still love. But I also just bought a vintage Baume Mercier Riviera, because I love the Vintage look and heritage.
Enjoy in good health 👍🏻
This is so much more than just a video about watches. It is a thought provoking, meaningful insight into what we have become, examining and questioning the way we have changed as a society - subjective and somewhat somber, yes. But you, sir, have just given me some answers to questions that have been bothering me for quite some time now, but which I’m just not courageous enough to face. Thank you. More of that. Please.
I enjoy modern watches that mix modern innovation with traditional/vintage designs. Hence why my collection - all newer - includes a Santos, Explorer, Speedy 3861, IWC Portugieser 7 day, OP36, to name a few.
I wear a 1972 Omega Seamaster, it was my dads, he always wore it until he broke the strap and then it just sat in his dresser, after hs passed away, my mom had it repaired via a master watchmaker who specialized in antique pieces, and I've worn it ever since. I like the idea of a field watch as an everyday watch, maybe a Hamilton Titanium, but nothing will ever mean more to me than my father 1970s Omega.
In my youth I was not concerned with what others thought about the watches I'd buy and wear, I went with what works for me and am still like that today.
I don't subscribe to the hype or trends of so called fashion watches of taking a name and putting it on a $10.00 watch and then selling it for a &100.00 or more because of a name.
I tend to agree with the sentiment regarding most modern watches being a yawn. While I wear a 2021 Sub Date most days to the office, it’s not exactly inspiring or exceptional. I am inspired by modern independent watchmaking and now enjoy a rose gold Kudoke 2 which took a year to make and which I contributed to creatively. However, having just purchased a Cartier Santos Galbee XL (32mm), I now see the character and charisma that you’re referring to in neo-vintage watches and older.
TGV, I completely agree with your observations. I've noticed the trend toward larger watches. I my self have dabbled in that realm a bit, stopping at 50mm. The few watches I have in that size I don't wear anymore, settling in at 42-46mm.. The younger generation seems drawn to the larger sizes, loaded with "Bling", or the various smart watches out there.
Thanks for that TGV it is a very good thing to be reminded that what one does is important, how one does it is also important but why one does something is often more important than both, you shunted into motion a great thought train, thanks again.
I agree totally, I have almost no watches that was designed the last 25 years. And most of them was made decades ago. I have recently got a huge interest for King Seiko and Grand Seiko from the 60`s and 70`s, amazing watches that look fantastic too.
You inspired me and originally got me into watches two years ago. I instantly fell in love with the Seiko Flightmaster and since have grown my small collection with micro brands and recently a Seiko Sub mod from Father Time watches. Now being 17 I am looking to buy a Marathon GSAR which I have lusted after since I got my first Seiko. I wish to buy an Omega or a Grand Seiko in the future and I hope there will still be those classic designs by then.
Thank you TGV
I found my Father's 34mm, mid 50's Tissot Visodate. It fits me like a dream. After 40 years in storage it came back to life. 34mm OP is a modern watch that seems to capture similar feel without trying to look retro. 1950's watches, size and style, seem just right, IMO.
A 1969 Visodate is next to the laptop on my desk, right now. The T12 style design so slightly larger, inner rotating bezel. Scratches on the plexi. New strap last week, picked it up for a song last year. Somewhat more brutalist than those delicate 50s pieces, but still adorable.
Crystal on mine was so badly scratched I could barely see the dial or handset. After hours of patient buffing it transformed into an incredibly beautiful watch.
TGV, this video was thought provoking and fun to watch. Your comments on watch fatigue in particular made sense. I’m about to travel to Eu from Australia for 6 months and included in this will be a trip to Bienne, Switzerland. I’m hoping that a deep dive into the history of watch creating will cure me of my particular fatigue… 🤞🏼
Thank you. It's always worth it listening to your point of view over things.
I'm completely relaxed with my watch style because of your attitude towards watches... right now I'm wearing a Seiko SNK on the left and a Casio W 800 HM on the right… the best beater-beater watch (the watch you wear to spare your beloved beater watch). Greetings from Old Europe.
TGV, I have to say it is so great and refreshing to see some slightly more opinionated commentary from you. Your outlook is so well balanced and you articulate it so well. Loved this one, keep it up! Cheers
Top notch video from the 80s style intro music to the breakdown of how the watch industry has been the master of it's own demise last 20 years or so.. Some manufacturers have lost their soul in their products - revamping vintage classics to making glitzy showbiz models adorned by paid Hollywood actors or sportspeople. Nothing beats nostalgia in my view ...just hope those crappy smart phones don't become "desirable" and collectable when I'm old 😯
Great show T! I feel the same way! Let’s face it a mechanical or basic digital watch is a tool for a by gone era what with the influx with throw away smart watches. I personally love the 50’s and 60’s eras of watches, tools that were dependable and needed in day to day life ! The sports watch with shock resistant engineering was pretty much the norm by then. However I’d prefer a watch made now, inspired by those era’s more than the actual thing because they are just too delicate on the outside let alone the inside! They could not handle my lifestyle!;) all the best my friend! The Casio collab is on the cards soon for sure!
@The Mad Watch Collector... you are one of a kind collects God Tier Casio s ; I hope there are more watch channel that is persistent and consistent, can stick to what he like and believes and do what he preaches, not easily shaken by the social media "likes" , not influenced by the masses what "should" you believe in.
Really appreciate your videos. i love classicly designet watches (AND sizes!) i dont wear anything over 40mm unless it is something extraordinary, i just don't like how big they look, and as always TGV your videos are a great source for entertainement, learning and unbiased watch journalism. cheers!
All good points TGV and couldn't agree more as I find myself looking for those hidden gems of the 70's, 80's, 90's and even mid 2000's. I can't give you more credit for finding the "Vintage Inspired" brand of 2022 - Nivada Grenchen. The one brand so far that went back to their roots of late 60's and early 70's, for not only dial design but case dimensions as well. All hail the the 39mm Chronograph and Diver !
Agree with a lot of this - I can't get over how good my King Turtles are, and some of my G-Shocks. Some Breitling's and Hamilton watches appeal but not some of the Rolexes I see and certainly not Richard Mille. Lockdown has caused a lot of watch frenzy but when people eventually go back to the office full time, function will begin to be more important.
What a great video! I believe it's true when we say "they don't make them, like they use to".
My family era for ⌚ watches was the 60s and 70's. I like some modern watches but I gravitate towards vintage styles Explorer1 ,Heuer Monaco, Hanhart 417, Doxa Sub 300 Aquastar Deepstar to name some Great video brotha 👌
That is such a great age, the 50s was the time of the pioneering iconic watches, but it was the 60s and 70s that took them to a new level and perfected them before the great crisis too effect.
I don't blame you my friend, cracking selections of brands, thank you LWM!
Best regards,
TGV
I agree. I do like the cool vintage-inspired reissues, especially Seiko and their Willards. Those watches are cool.
This video is a masterpiece. Well said, and an insightful commentary on many subjects of which I wasn't fully in-tune with until now!
Great video. I find most modern watches to be too thick, too big, and too boring. I don’t get a sense of charm or individuality with most of them, just like most any new car. A big pet peeve is so many new watches having a silly little date window that ruins the symmetry of a watch