War of the Roses Battle Report (Hail Caesar) - 03 (A Settling of Scores)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- The houses of York and Lancaster meet again in this first battle report since the end of lockdown. The armies are large, the costs are high and only one side can emerge victorious.
Both sides are made up of 3 divisions (in retrospect this might have been a little large but why are we painting all these miniatures if we can't get them out on the table).
It's a straight up pitched battle with victory points awarded for shaken units, detroyed units and enemy commanders captured or slain.
Music:
War Horde by Rafael Krux CC
The Long Night (Quincas Moreira - RUclips Music)
Music: Hymn to the Gods by Alexander Nakarada (www.serpentsoundstudios.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons BY Attribution 4.0 License
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Contact: 7thsonwargaming@gmail.com
Yep Epic is right, what a spectacle, all those figs on the table. A great game to watch. Matt's dice were incredible. Well done Gents👍👍More please!
Thanks maye, makes it all worthwhile to get it all on the table and its even better when iys appreciated 😁 i don't know what gods matt sacrificed to for those rolls, but i want to know how haha 😅
I've never seen such amazing Yorkist and Lancastrian armies! Makes the battle very 'personal' with historical figures.
Really appreciate that, thanks very much 😁 we both enjoy the research it lets us add a little more personality to our armies 👍
Great spectacle to see so many figures on the table, I like all the personal touches and the amount of background knowledge of the period that has gone into the two collections.
We really appreciate that, thanks very much 👍😁
Only just found your channel and catching up. Brilliant vids.
Thanks very much 👍😁
Brilliant battle report. Great to see so many models, just makes me realise I need a few more. The house rules were perfect. So much for the invicible Earl of March... :)
Thanks mate 😁 house rules are getting there, few things to tweak but we felt that they went well. Pleased to hear you enjoyed it 👍
Looked a really fun game. I enjoyed how you really had to think about when to commit reserves to the battle line. Very immersive
Thanks mate 👍 at this size it definitely makes things more pivotal 😀
Cracking game mate. Especially love to see the dice rolls
Thanks mate 😅, thought you might enjoy seeing old Henry Holland in there 👍
Very bloody, nice to see such big armies.
Cheers, it was a great chance to get everything out 👍
A totally awsome battle report mate. You 2 have put so much work in to your forces and the additions to the rule make for some fun bonus aswell. Also love seeing both the dice trays aswell. I think I know a certain set of dice that you need to really finish this off mate. 🤔. Nice one Martin. Looking forward to further battles. 😁👍
Stoked you liked it dude 😁👍 its always great to get it all on the table. We enjoy coming up with the little house rules to add more flavout. I forgot you had those dice, you need to bring your Yorkists with you give them some time on the field 😁
Know absolutely nothing about wargaming (random RUclips suggestion) but that was really compelling to watch .. spectacular setup & figures and very well presented, I even felt I partially (kinda sorta) understood what was happening by the end ;)
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment, I really appreciate it 👍 glad you enjoyed the game, especially as you're not into wargaming 😁 there are plenty of other games we've filmed on the channel as well should you ever fancy another 😉 Merry Christmas
This is bloody epic as ever mate! Looking forward to the podcast later on
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it 😁👍
Brilliant battle report Martin!
Thanks my friend, really pleased you enjoyed it 😁👍 I'll sort out some dates for that stream we chatted about as well
@@7thson726 sure that would be great!
Entertaining battle report.As I read the rules a 6 for shooting disorders the target ,not causing a break test. A break test is only taken if the nit is shaken and takes further casualties. A house rule we use is we roll 2d6 each turn for each player to determine initiative for that turn. Makes planning your attacks less sure than if you know you are always moving first.
Cheers mate 👍 a roll of 6 causes automatic disorder in Black Powder. In Hail Caesar if you roll a 6 to hit (when you needed less than 6 on the roll) you roll on the break test table (pg 44) and use the ranged results column. If you needed 6 to hit you roll another dice and a break test is taken on anither 6. You jave to test as well if you become shaken.
Thats a good idea with the 2d6, may have to try that out, nice one 😁👍
7th Son You are right,I have been playing more blackpowder than hail caesar of late and we are often questioning if a rule we remember is from both,hc ore pike and shotte as they are all so similar.
@@peteraussie7606 we're exactly the same. Last game we wede looking for the bonuses of being in column on roads etc to command. They dont exist in HC, just the free move even if the order fails
Sorry just realised my previous reply said the 2d6 was a bad idea, not sure why it autocorrected to that but it should say good idea, sorry about that 👍😁
7th Son New what you meant,it adds that risk factor to the best laid plans and even more so if you have four or more players.
thanks for sharing
Cheers mate 👍
Fantastic table as always, great game, love your battle reports.
Cheers buddy, glad you like them, more to come, the Yorkists need revenge 😁
What a ride!! Another excellent battle report with quite the climactic finish! Already excited for the next one!
Really appreciate it, thanks very much 👍😁
Awesome stuff fellas! Always enjoy your batreps Martin, so thanks for getting this on and putting it out there. Comedy moment? In the absence of Hayley and the 95th, I'd say Henry VI nonchalantly observing proceedings under a tree! Well done. #goteamlancs
Cheers buddy 👍😁 really pleased you enjoyed this one, had a feeling you'd like the outcome 😅 its Great to get it all on the table. York will be back, and they want their king back.
Got to love oblivious Henry under the tree, i imagine him watching the battle and then, "oh... A butterfly", 😅
@@7thson726 lol! Will have to model one with a butterfly net now you’ve said that!
Yes! Been looking forward to this! A York, A York!
Hard fought battle. Did you forget your heavy cav that retired early on, or got more unlucky with your rolls?
Cheers buddy, it was indeed. Nah i didn't forget, the 2nd turn they were disorderd so couldn't re enter amd the third turn Edward failed one of his orders before trying to order them 😅
Ya know just the other day I was thinking “. Hey 7th Son hasn’t put up a battle report in a long long time. I wonder if he went back to work and the real world?” Then that same morning PoW! There’s this BR. Hope alls well over there across the pond and give Ted a nice belly rub from me. Going to put this BR on my big screen and watch it tonight.
Hello buddy, glad your doing well 👍 good to hear from you, nope still here, just fitting everything in haha. Ted is on a diet becuase he's a tad chunky, so he's generally annoyed most the time at the moment. Hope you enjoy it buddy 😁
It was cool to see so much gunpowder weaponry in use this battle
Definitely, got to bring the bombardment 😁
Another cracking battle report! Quite the blood bath - although with some of the Yorkist rolling I'm surprised it was as close as it was 😁 Looking forward to the narrative campaign mentioned at the end.
Cheers, really pleased you enjoyed it. Just putting the finishing touches on the campaign rules. Will probably do an overview video of the way it'll work and then go from there 👍
What a great report, thanks chaps!
You're very welcome, cheers 👍
Great battle report 👍 both forces fully deployed for battle looks fantastic
Thanks mate, got to admit, it was a great feeling when it was all set up 😁
Impressive miniatures and enjoyable game
Thanks very much 👍
WOW Looks great mate!
Cheers buddy 😁
Yes big HC battle. Great stuff.
Cheers buddy, best way, just wish i had room for a larger table 😀
Enjoyed - thanks.
Thanks very much 👍
Yay more war of the roses.
Indeed 😁
Great looking game 🍻
Cheers buddy, really pleased you like it 😁👍
Ah ha Travis I see you leek around here as well.
Lurk around here.
Watching your WoftheR batreps are pulling me into this time period. The models are lovely with fantastic banners and heraldry, and the fixed camera angle reminds me of the Edward Woodward-presented wargame show doing the rounds on RUclips. Can I also recommend "A Practical Guide to Medieval Warfare: Exploring History Through Wargaming", co-written by historian Richard Brooks and wargamer John Curry. It looks at all aspects of campaigning, tactics, etc. You'll find it on Amazon Kindle.
I will check that out, thanks for the tip 👍 really pleased you enjoyed it, its great to hear so many people vetting interested in the period 😁
Ahhhh. Finally back in action. Another quality battle and report. All is well in the world. P.S. can i borrow those red dice! :)
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it 👍 No, haha, I'm locking those dice away, and throwing them in the ocean 😅
Great game, lovely to look at! Looks like you have to paint some more casualty markers for next game. 😃👍
Indeed, i worked out that with most units having a stamina of 6 i would need about 160! May be doing dials for this lot haha
LETS GO HOUSE YORK!
Yeahhhhh.... 😀Haha, next game
A good game. You need to go on a dice rolling course lol
I'd pay good money for that 😁
Love both of your commanders Edward, what base size did you use? and can you make a close up video of your comanders?
Thanks very much 😁 my large command bases are 110mm ovals and the smaller command bases are 60mm. I could do a video on that for sure 😁
@@7thson726 Cool thank you :-) keep up your great work :-)
Great looking table, where is Hayley?
Cheers mate 👍 she's in the next room watching Eurovision 😅
I remember wondering why you modded a set of ancients rules but this seems to work. The table full of figures looks fantastic.
Thanks very much, appreciate it 😁 its funny becaise the Hail Caesar lists inclide the 100 years war but the WOTR is just after with a bit more gunlowder and not yet pike and shotte so we thought originally we'd try both but after using HC were pretty satisfied with how it handled. Now we just keeo adding bits and bobs haha 😅
Loved the video! Just starting out in myself so apologise if this comment is stupid. Just wondering where these miniatures are from also noticed some of the casualty miniatures on your side was wondering if you could let me know where they are from. Keep up the good work
Hi, thanks very much 😁 never a problem, the miniatures are mostly Perry Miniatures as are the casualty figures 👍
Mate, do you have your amendments (combined with the perry's) somewhere? - I love your videos and have watched many - Has really drawn me toward making 15mm DBA WOR armies. Thanks
Thanks very mich, appreciate it mate, there is a link to google drive on the more recent battle reports for the most recent version, I'll be doing an update in the next few weeks with a few tweaks 👍
Just roll a dice every turn after 4 turns on a 6 I had a Brigade of reinforcement come on. I played on s 6x4 table it worked. You can use or possibly use some more forces. Next battle rescue the king invade France to rescue him.
Great idea, if we do another game before the campaign starts then I'll come up with a suitable scenario 👍
Great Battle report always really enjoy your games. Shame it came to such a thundering end with the King getting killed but always very risky having him in combat when got a high amount of attacks. Can't wait for the next battle report. You both certainly have some nice armies.
Interesting to see some pikes in the mix.
Can I ask do you play a house rule for retreats after a break test as in the hail caesar rules it says "if a friendly unit blocks its path it will move through it, and will make 2 or 3 moves where necessary to clear the position of other units. A retreating unit is obliged to make additional moves to clear the position of friends is automatically disorderd once it has done so. So going from the rules you are meant to move the unit as far as needed and then becomes disorderd if it has to move more than 3 moves to reach that position but I have noticed that you count the units as destroyed instead can you clear that up please
Thanks mate, really appreciate it 😁👍 yeah poor old Edward, its good that they can be taken oit but we are toying around with a table for other results, especially as we'll be doing campaign play.
Basically with the retreats i should have saod as re watching it wasn't clear. Because of the number of men on the field we devided that there would be no giving way, the preas of men is to great. Trying to emulate the crush of bodies at say Towton. We were just trying it out for this one 👍
@@7thson726 yeah I agree I don't think it always works the way commanders are in battles especially if they have a high number of attacks its very easy to lose them in combat so would be interesting to see what you do with the table. Ahhh thanks for explaining what you did with the rule and trying to recreate the press of men it makes more sense now and trying to add a bit of a realistic situation to the battle. Good idea.
Brilliant stuff, unfortunately Im only able to watch half as Im now off to work(2-10 shift)so will watch remaining half tonight. Where did you get your dice trays from . Also any idea if anyone makes dice for this period. Would beca nice touch ha ha.
Thanks mate, hope you enjoyed the 2nd half 😁 i got the trays custom made. I have seen some dice for the period but i cant find the manufacturer at the moment, but they do exist 😁
@@7thson726 Yes seen the second half .Watched it as soon as Imgot home that night. It looks like me and my opponent are playing rules fairly correctly going by your vids ha ha. Can you remember who made your custom made trays by any chance ?. Going to have a look for those dice. In York in a couple of weeks , lots of history associated with this period there.
@@garybeardsworth4995 pretty sure it was this one www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324053022999
@@7thson726 Ahh thanks for that. May go with a traditional tudar red rose/white rose design. No luck on dice search so far though. Thanks for the dice tray info though.
Lovely game! Re: the bombard, any consideration of nicking the rule from Warlords of Erewhon (forget its name at the moment, its Unstoppable or some such) where very heavy artillery hits units behind the initial target?
Thank you 😁 i hadn't, but am thinking of it now. We had discussed a way of representing it but hadn't really thought if a way, that is a nice easy way forward, thanks for the tio 👍😁
Love it! Great looking army! Where did you get the dice rolling tray?
Thanks very much mate 👍😁
The trays were custom made through ebay 👍
@@7thson726 I love those! Do you have a link by chance? I really need to get a medieval one for my Agincourt boys
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Custom-Image-Dice-Tray-Portable-D-D-Dice-Tray-Lightweight-rolling-tray-dice-/324053022999?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286
You just need to send the image 👍 they'll send a prood through for you to approve 😁
@@7thson726 Thank you SO much!!
@@astrozombie2021 you're welcome buddy
31:26: On your left flank, your commander failed to move a unit, then managed to get a unit into combat, then failed again. If I recall correctly, according to the rules a commander cannot issue any further orders once he has failed one...or is my memory deceiving me?
This was quite a while ago, so i just rewatched it. As i remember they needed 2 orders to get the charge but only managed one so just moved the once and failed to make the charge. Just poor wording from me. They didn't fail the rolls, just didn't get enough orders. Your spot on, when you have failed an order thats it, unless a unit has a rule that allowa it to move like drilled, or if the commander uses the generals re roll.
@@7thson726 Ah, thanks for clearing that up :-) Thanks as always for the interesting Battle Reports, have been binge-watching them the last few days :)
@@Alopex1 no problem, thanks for watching 👍😁
Table and game looks great, keep up the good work! Your vids have inspired me to finally make a start with the War of the Roses period. I was wondering if there was a reason you have modelled 5 infantry to a base? I was thinking of doing the standard 2 by 2, 4 infantry per base on a 40mmx40mm base, but looks like you have 60mmx40mm with another. Trying to weigh up the pros and cons
Thanks very much, thays great to hear 👍
Basing wise as were using Hail Caesar it's the size of the base (i. E the frontage) that matters. The nu ber of me on it is broadly irrelevant. I tend to out 5 or 6 on as it suits depending on what i want them dlong, banners etc. If you look hard in some of the units of bill and bow you'll see bases of bill with 7, 8 and even one with 9 on in there. Its purely aesthetic. The men don't have individual stats themselves just the unit as a whole and that is only modified by the unit being small (which we say is 2 bases) medium (3 bases) or large (6 bases), we make a few exceptions here and there (i.e the pike).
Hope that helps, if you would like any more info juat let me know 😁👍
Is that army list you have available?
It will be, were just playing about with it and then i was going to share it as a Google doc after a couole more games.
@@7thson726 That would be awesome. I'm building out a couple of HC armies and would love to be able to tweek the commanders with some special rules.
Had to turn off.....got sick of the dice rolls...what i saw of the game was nicely done
Sorry to hear that, i assume you mean the filming of the rolls, not how terrible mine were
@@7thson726 Yes the filming....absolutely horrible to watch...i like Batreps which leave them out but for a few funny/terrible rolls
@@richardbradley2335 appreciate the point of view mate. Personally i enjoy seeing them in games as i like system mechanics so my reports will probably be keeping them. This was a particularly large game as well so alot of engagements to resolve. I remember we did a poll on the stream and it was overwhelmingly in favour of having them in, just one of those things, can never please everyone unfortunately 👍 The narrative parts of our campaign will be less dice heavy and more manoeuvre / event reporting.