Further optimism if this does come off: Need more sodium to fuel a growing EV / home backup / renewable energy storage demand? Boom, desalination plants have just become PROFITABLE. Drinking water crisis averted.
I’ve been saying this for years. I looked into desal plants and they work better when the water is heated slightly. Battery manufacturing plant makes a lot of heat and can use the ocean water for cooling. Put the two plants next to each other and they are complimentary. Salt batteries take longer to charge and discharge. Also heavier. Ideal for building/ home/ electrical grid power storage more than cars. Desal plants in California, solar power plants across cali and Nv, sore the excess energy in the salt batteries there where it is produced, the batteries dump the power at night. Long term of course - right now every drop of power created can be consumed in real time.
Combine this with the wood based anode technology out of the UK, takes the waste pulp from wood product manufacturing, its cheaper, recyclable, and more energy dense then graphene
Graphene is the best still. Nothing compares. My father did some testing for huge company and after 10,000 cycles full discharge and charge rates they were still perfect. Once cars have these it’s on for electric cars. Charge at same rate as max discharge.
If it is perfectly durable than it won't make much money. No company will be interested in that kind of stuff, since they usually release new model every year
@@bluepawn your smartphone will always be on lithium, sodium has a lower energy density. So for small applications lithium is king. Sodium-ion batteries are just much cheaper and have better properties all around, other than the energy density. So they will be king in standard to mid range cars, electric bikes and also scooters. They are already in Chinese cars, bikes and scooters. Will probably take 1-2 years to come to the west. It takes time to build manufacturing capability and supply chains. So not everything will be replaced tomorrow.
Not a problem in a fully built out EV network, as Sodium ion batteries charge much faster. i.e. to 80% capacity in 15 minutes. Not a problem for most trips as in a fully build EV network, charge stations would be at least every 100km. Also that range limitation averages out in colder temperatures, where it has an advantage over Lithium ion batteries.
How many years ago was the Graphene Battery coming out? Remember Graphene Batteries....???? Quarter of the price, Three times the storage and charges fifteen times faster ...
Lots of "might do this" or "could do that". I think I'll contain my excitement until I see it in operation. However, these other battery technologies could find uses in non-EV applications freeing up lithium to be used semi-exclusively in EVs. This might keep EV battery costs under control.
@@gmamagillmore4812 What would you use instead of lithium? It is the lightest metal, so in that respect it is ideal for use in EV batteries. Perhaps you are alluding to not having EVs at all? It's hard to tell.
Graphene is used in the anode, this sodium is the catalyst, also Graphene production is dirty and expensive, I dont see it being used in the future. The future is lignin, a by product from wood pulp production, it has a much better performance profile and is renewable and sustainable. The future is bright
@@simoncrooke1644 Lithium is hardly ideal. It costs so much to make and actually negates any positive climate effects in the process because it's so toxic to produce. The impact on the power grid from recharging all these cars is going to severely cripple the country because local governments refuse to upgrade (California is a prime example). Not to mention, where do you think all that power comes from to charge the batteries? Mostly coal and natural gas. Coal pollutes and both need extensive mining and drilling to keep power plants in supply. Kind of like oil. Also, lithium is extremely limited in how much power can be stored vs. how far you can drive. Don't forget, we live in a "celebrity status" world, people NEED their air conditioning and powerful sound systems and all the fancy do-dads on their cars that consume power. Stop drinking the "green" Kool-aid and wake up, the whole EV push is simply a marketing scam. We do not have the technology to replace oil on a scale that makes it viable, nor the infrastructure for charging, whether at home or on the road. We should have been pushing for more and better hybrid tech to bridge that gap until we can get a much better and more reliable electric solution, but that won't happen either because everyone that buys a Tesla thinks they're saving the planet.
@@cujoedaman Cars have always been a marketing scam, one so successful it's shaped our culture and infrastructure in a way that it has made it essentially impossible to live without one in the US, even in situations where it would otherwise be entirely inappropriate. We Americans gotta haul around two tons of steel and plastic everywhere, cars are our mobile thrones of opulence and comfort, and even if you want to try other forms of transit the car centric design of everything makes it more dangerous or inconvenient than it really ought to. I think EVs have a potential to streamline things a bit, gas stations every 5 blocks could become a thing of the past, not to be replaced wholesale by charging stations but instead most people will use at-home charging and only need an ocassional station for long trips, the need for maintenance could be hugely reduced compared to ICEs which would reduce the overall price of ownership, which is already reduced due to electricity being cheaper than fuel. I think in the future EVs could become to ICEs as LED bulbs are to Incandescents. Transitioning to LED bulbs was rough as the tech was developing, but now it's the ideal form of lighting as it's cheaper to maintain, brighter and more flexible in regards to color temps and whatnot. Current EVs are more like... CFL bulbs, way too many drawbacks that make them dangerous and less than ideal for a lot of use cases.
Heavier batteries may be bad for max range but if they are heavier AND perform well in sub zero temps they might be good for traction(weight) and performance in cold snowy areas. I would add a small propane generator to increase range and maybe photovolaic paint for some rarely used cars.
It is generally believed in the industry that sodium-ion batteries and lithium-ion batteries are complementary to each other rather than substitutes. Due to the low energy density of sodium-ion batteries, they are more suitable for use in medium and low-speed electric vehicles and large-scale energy storage. Lithium will remain as the source power for most passenger vehicles.
@@jamescat2386 Electric cars use fossil fuels to charge up their batteries so it's a zero-sum game, except for the higher cost of vehicles, higher insurance rates, way higher maintenance costs, and exorbitantly high cost of replacement batteries when the original battery craps out. The other wonderful feature about electric cars is that they can be turned off by the manufacturer or the government at any time for no reason at all. Real smucking fart there joy boy.
@@deusvult9349 you can charge EV with solar panels fitted on your roof. Even charge at night. Get upcoming sodium based storage facility. But your redneck brain is too tiny to grasp it .
@@deusvult9349 even new ICE vehicles have OS based touch control . So it doesn't matter which car you buy. Again something your redneck brain can not understand.
Dude on the internet or the biggest battery manufacturers in the world, who even supplies Tesla with LFP batteries for their model 3. Who would know more about batteries? Hmm...
@@Blueknight1960 not so much anymore. for me at least i only buy food and supplements i try to buy canadian brand clothing that is not outsourced but the electronics have not moved out of china yet.
Why? They aren't a big lithium producer. Most of the world's lithium is mined in Chile and Australia. It makes perfect sense for China to get away from lithium.
Sodium Ion seems to be preferable to LiFePo4 batteries in every respect, except sodium ion batteries not quite being available yet. Am I missing something?
Maybe they mean on paper so to speak. They would seem more preferable and yet why then are they not being made available to us. It might be due to the batteries not being practical for us the general population. You do know that they have something that is similar to a battery and as long as you keep feeding hydrogen into it , it keeps producing power. Hydrogen fuel cells have a far greater energy storage density than lithium-ion batteries, offering a significant range advantage for electric vehicles while also being lighter and occupying less space
@@carmichaelmoritz8662 Hydrogen has lots of other problems. It needs to be stored under high pressure, or it will take up too much space. It takes energy to get this high pressure and it is a safety risk. The high pressure containers are also heavy. Also production of hydrogen is not particular efficient. Hydrogen is also hard on metal in the long run. Hydrogen do not make much sense to me.
@@Foobarski I drove a hydrogen powered scooter and a lifepo4 cell powered scooter and if not for the price difference I would've chosen the hydrogen powered scooter. It had two removable canisters and to more in another compartment. I could easily drive 200 kilometers and not worry about being stranded anywhere. all the lithium powered scooters would've left me stranded due to the battery pack going dead.
@@Foobarski Yeah, you touch on how hydrogen is hard on metals, because it's such a small molecule, it penetrates its holding container and conduit walls. I think there have also been some serious accidents because of the problem of hydrogen penetrating and attacking materials.
@@carmichaelmoritz8662 "if not for the fact that magic doesn't exist I would choose the flying carpet." Hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells are never going to get significantly cheaper. Also you do know you can charge an electric scooter, right?
Anybody recall sodium carbide batteries. Way of the future 80s. Some rechargeable designs made 80 percent capacity. Nicad best was 65 percent capacity. 30 percent efficiency was common for the day with rechargables. The voltage would drop off pretty quick in some cheapie. Same wheel, different design.
So much cynicism in the comments section. Yeah, we see a lot of battery tech coming out because battery tech is critically important to powering the world of the future and our current available technologies have their shortcomings. Not every battery tech will be commercially viable and some will only have niche usage. But with so much money and so much research going into new battery technologies, we will see the battery landscape change over the coming years.
Hey thank you for the comment. I can feel the cynicism in the comments too. Ive spent a lot of time to research and to create this video, but people are very critical. Thank you anyway for your support!
The worlds lithium production between 2018 and 2021 was almost the same. But the way you tell it is mis-leading. You are missing or ignoring the years in between which is very telling. It was almost the same in 2018 and 2021 because after 2018 they had to ramp down production due to not enough demand for lithium. China as you stated was stockpiling it (as had many others), and then that lowered its demand for several years as it did not need as much. Lots of companies had bought and stockpiled it. I know mining companies in Australia had ramped down production simply due to supply and demand, not because they could not produce as much. But the way you say it implies they are not able to produce as much to keep up with demand, which is currently not correct at all.
So, other than a sleek marketing video do we have any ACTUAL reports of the progress in this area? Are these batteries EVER going toleave the lab phase?
Please look at Altech Chemicals, also Sodium Alumina Solid State (CERENERGY®). I have been following their progress for more than a year now ( because I have shares in their company). They are currently producing a total of 100mW of batteries at the moment. They are aimed at grid storage of electricity, not ev cars. They have many advantages over lithium based batteries.
How about thermal overload? In the US at least we have had several thermal overload failures to the point if you have a EV insurance may not allow you to park inside your home.
EVs burn down about 40 times less often than combustion cars. Your insurance is dumb. But sodium ion batteries are extremely safe and very temperature stable. They are even safer than LFP batteries, which are already much safer than NMC or NCA.
Just because it wasn't mentioned in this unofficial video doesn't mean it wasn't mentioned by the manufacturer or independent battery scientist. Sodium-ion batteries are much safer than lithium-ion batteries and those are already very safe.
This is great! There is so much sodium on the planet, and a ready supply in the brine that is separated from seawater, to say nothing for many other sources! I don't care if sodium ion is a little heavier, as a little more weight isn't going to hurt vehicles, especially since it's kept down low, making the vehicle more stable. Besides static applications should all be sodium ion anyway, since the weight doesn't even matter there! I really like the lack of heat build up, which will eliminate the need hopefully, for a liquid coolant. Also a little more weight on a vehicle won't cause any real loss, if they would simply streamline them better and quit making them look like they were chopped off on the rear! Lose the ridiculous spoilers! Look to the late 30s and 40s for more streamlined vehicles! Grow up people, you're not driving on the NASCAR circuit, which is the only place they need spoilers over a hundred miles an hour on curves! And if those guys would have the spoilers adjustable they'd be able to go much faster on the straight stretches! But good job on the sodium development
@@Blueknight1960 I'm not saying that at all! I mean if you're driving around under a hundred miles an hour on freeways there's no need for for them, however, I admit they look cool, but you've got to make them adjustable! Most of the time they need to be set so that air is forced down toward the bumper and fill in that vacuum space behind the vehicle which just holds you back! You need to review some wind tunnel test to see just what's happening behind your vehicle! It is literally a drag, which is why once you reach 55 to 60 miles an hour it takes so much power to go up from there. That's called drag, suction, or drafting if somebody's right behind you using that suction to help them! If NASCAR was allowed to have adjustable spoilers they could flatten them down for the straight stretches and engage them for the corners, which would improve their top speed by probably as much as 30 mph! The Dodge Daytona with the high Wing spoiler, back in 69 and 70 they were getting 30 Mi an hour higher speeds out of them than any of the other rigs! It pissed me off that they banned them claiming they weren't stock, when you could go down to your Chrysler dealer and order one from the factory! None of these so-called stock cars are stock! You can't go into a dealership and buy one as hopped up as those guys are! I have always thought they should have at least one other division called bashcar and get out there and drive like Dale Earnhardt senior used to do! Maybe they wouldn't go as fast but they'd be a lot more fun and get a lot more people watching! Also they should have yet another division with actual off the showroom floor, Pure Stock and take them out and see how they do! So like I say spoilers are cool and look cool, I agree, they should just actually function over all ranges!
I looked up CATL on stock. It must be purchased through specific brokerages. It can be purchased through ETF's. Since it can only be purchased through specific companies I'm suspicious.
Thank you for your comment. Nice to hear it from a native citizen of the city. It is a factory to supply a lot of electric cars made in europe. I think a lot will also follow.
@@The.Futurist I found an ETF that is a Chinese ETF that is 15% made up of the company. China is looking to turn back covid zero soon and with the combination of this and the sodium ion production, this etf could boom!! Ticker symbol is $CNXT tell me what you think
They are all salts, as its crystal. Sodium is just lots of in the sea water. Sodium is just a ium active metal which is needed, but is one below lithuim. Other than that you have to use the radioactive metals. Sodium advantages as its easy mined from the sea and there is lots of it.
@@pqrstzxerty1296 about 20 years ago a certain doctor forced me to take lithium pills for six months. For some reason it seemed like it helped me build up energy 🤣😂🤣. The bad side effects were no fun though , Constipation , sweating disorder , paranoia , depression , social anxiety , sleeping disorder , panic attacks and a few more symptoms. He also forced me to take modecate injections every week or so during those six months. I no longer trust doctors.
Sounds like they just came up with a "twofer." Desalinate water for sodium ion batteries, and water for irrigation in arid regions. Just don't do it 8n California or the low cost would disappear.
5:55 "charging speed for a 100 kilowatt" "battery in 15 minutes" - he wanted to say 100 kilowatt hours battery, right? As 100kW power of battery is pretty low.
Yeah, as we all have seen, far too many times, what a company claims when they announce a breakthrough, will often never come to fruition. So, until the rubber hits the road, we will just have to wait and see what happens. In the meantime, we have other promising battery technologies on the horizon from companies based in much friendlier countries, such as the solid state battery and the graphene battery. Which, if perfected (at least to a point where they become economically viable) are even much more advantages than the sodium battery, albeit with much larger hurdles at the moment, but hey hurdles are meant to be jumped.
There is iron battery that don;t use cobalt, and Tesla is using them. And we are getting 2nd hand old Tesla 18650 battery. And they are still great lol
Recently around 5.9 million tons of lithium was found in Jammu and Kashmir, India making india the second 🥈 country in the world with the highest lithium deposit
Are you living at the North pole? That's -55°C. It doesn't even get that could at the ass end of Norway. CATL says these batteries still have more than 90% capacity and charge well at -20°C. I don't think anybody considered Satan's freezer for testing.
lithium cost $70,000 a tonne but once supply catches up it will be $20,000 a tonne , and you said we will run out of lithium then show Elon musk saying there is no shortage of the element itself.
again: according to a study of the pv magazine the known lithium reserves known to date will run out by 2040. Elon musk is complaining about the artificial shortage and the price explosion of lithium in the current times.
Not very shortage of Lithium , but it isn't abundant also. Sodium is everywhere , very abundant and very easy to "mine" . Even if it has like 50% of the storage/weight ratio , the price of it would be way cheaper/kW . This makes a huge change since there are a lot of batteries needed for changing to renewable energy , which does need storage when sun don't shine or the wind doesn't blow . Many Li batteries are used for that purpose and many more are needed.
As a lithium and EV investor I welcome the sodium battery. Sodium batteries will be used for stationary storage and 2 and 3 wheel vehicles. We need all the lithium we can get with all the 2035 government mandates to switch to 100% new EV sales by then.
They'll also be used for cars and already are in China. 160Wh/kg is good enough for standard range cars, especially since you can save some of the thermal management (sodium batteries being much more stable at high and low temperatures). If CATL keeps its promise of 200Wh/kg it will be a no-brainer for anything but very long range cars.
I can build salt battery with fire starter magnesium rod, copper wire, baby food jar and salt water, that works immediately no charging. You can large scale in ocean free electric ⚡
So a presentation on Sodium that ends on Aluminium within the space of the video! I will wait for the dilithium batteries before committing as we are getting though a new breakthrough element a year in the current battery of the future. Net zero today but the actual technology to run it sometime tomorrow or in someone's dreams sometime never. Great that this work is happening but implementation timetables forcing the move from fossil seem to be in a total panic detached from availability, practicality and affordability. Like trying to get on to a treadmill running completely out of control in all directions.
The next NEW and even more Powerful battery will the the Sand Battery. We see Sand on beaches and in our shoes. Why are we messing with Lithium and Sodium go directly to Sand batteries. It is a new tech. Almost as new as windmills.
This battery technology is perfect for replacing lead acid batteries with much higher energy storage capacity sodium ion batteries that will enable all ICE vehicles to be micro hybrids
All across the globe zero nation has the infrastructure to change EV at scale. Nations are too focus at creating EV vehicles and batteries but ignore the infrastructure needed to generate needed energy.
I see a battery video every 2 month for the last 5 years and still no new product comes out. Ever.
Yes, every-time a no show,
So true
Lol remember the nuclear diamond battery?
This & graphene 🙄
@@dkstudioart huawei, fuyao & CATL are not the type of Chinese knockoff companies you encountered in Amazon, just saying.
Further optimism if this does come off: Need more sodium to fuel a growing EV / home backup / renewable energy storage demand? Boom, desalination plants have just become PROFITABLE. Drinking water crisis averted.
Great observation man! So true
Sodium is too abundant
I’ve been saying this for years.
I looked into desal plants and they work better when the water is heated slightly. Battery manufacturing plant makes a lot of heat and can use the ocean water for cooling. Put the two plants next to each other and they are complimentary.
Salt batteries take longer to charge and discharge. Also heavier. Ideal for building/ home/ electrical grid power storage more than cars.
Desal plants in California, solar power plants across cali and Nv, sore the excess energy in the salt batteries there where it is produced, the batteries dump the power at night. Long term of course - right now every drop of power created can be consumed in real time.
Combine this with the wood based anode technology out of the UK, takes the waste pulp from wood product manufacturing, its cheaper, recyclable, and more energy dense then graphene
You dont need desalinisation plants to get salt. There are much cheaper ways
Graphene is the best still. Nothing compares. My father did some testing for huge company and after 10,000 cycles full discharge and charge rates they were still perfect. Once cars have these it’s on for electric cars. Charge at same rate as max discharge.
And one of these batteries going into production? What’s the cost per kilowatt? The weight? Temperature range
@Mr. Mackey
I did hear that Joe Mama was working on extended battery technology.
Yeah but whats the energy density of graphene?
I agree its part of the future but it's still way off.
If it is perfectly durable than it won't make much money. No company will be interested in that kind of stuff, since they usually release new model every year
did your dad also tell you about santa clause and the easter bunny? your dad is a liar.
This was more like a promotional video than an educational one.
40 years that I have heard this technology... Still nothing in the shop next to my door...
I doubt that you have heard this for 40 years. Also they are already in cars, ebikes, etc.
@@4203105 still nothing... My smartphone is still on lithium technology... My Kickscooter as well... They are from this year...
@@bluepawn your smartphone will always be on lithium, sodium has a lower energy density. So for small applications lithium is king.
Sodium-ion batteries are just much cheaper and have better properties all around, other than the energy density. So they will be king in standard to mid range cars, electric bikes and also scooters.
They are already in Chinese cars, bikes and scooters. Will probably take 1-2 years to come to the west. It takes time to build manufacturing capability and supply chains. So not everything will be replaced tomorrow.
Not a problem in a fully built out EV network, as Sodium ion batteries charge much faster. i.e. to 80% capacity in 15 minutes. Not a problem for most trips as in a fully build EV network, charge stations would be at least every 100km. Also that range limitation averages out in colder temperatures, where it has an advantage over Lithium ion batteries.
OMG this "Changes Everything" its a "Game changer"
How many years ago was the Graphene Battery coming out? Remember Graphene Batteries....???? Quarter of the price, Three times the storage and charges fifteen times faster ...
Haha, yes, new wonderful batteries has become fairytales for adults.
Lots of "might do this" or "could do that". I think I'll contain my excitement until I see it in operation. However, these other battery technologies could find uses in non-EV applications freeing up lithium to be used semi-exclusively in EVs. This might keep EV battery costs under control.
You could save more by not using lithium in Vehicles at all.
@@gmamagillmore4812 What would you use instead of lithium? It is the lightest metal, so in that respect it is ideal for use in EV batteries. Perhaps you are alluding to not having EVs at all? It's hard to tell.
Graphene is used in the anode, this sodium is the catalyst, also Graphene production is dirty and expensive, I dont see it being used in the future. The future is lignin, a by product from wood pulp production, it has a much better performance profile and is renewable and sustainable. The future is bright
@@simoncrooke1644 Lithium is hardly ideal. It costs so much to make and actually negates any positive climate effects in the process because it's so toxic to produce. The impact on the power grid from recharging all these cars is going to severely cripple the country because local governments refuse to upgrade (California is a prime example). Not to mention, where do you think all that power comes from to charge the batteries? Mostly coal and natural gas. Coal pollutes and both need extensive mining and drilling to keep power plants in supply. Kind of like oil. Also, lithium is extremely limited in how much power can be stored vs. how far you can drive. Don't forget, we live in a "celebrity status" world, people NEED their air conditioning and powerful sound systems and all the fancy do-dads on their cars that consume power.
Stop drinking the "green" Kool-aid and wake up, the whole EV push is simply a marketing scam. We do not have the technology to replace oil on a scale that makes it viable, nor the infrastructure for charging, whether at home or on the road. We should have been pushing for more and better hybrid tech to bridge that gap until we can get a much better and more reliable electric solution, but that won't happen either because everyone that buys a Tesla thinks they're saving the planet.
@@cujoedaman Cars have always been a marketing scam, one so successful it's shaped our culture and infrastructure in a way that it has made it essentially impossible to live without one in the US, even in situations where it would otherwise be entirely inappropriate. We Americans gotta haul around two tons of steel and plastic everywhere, cars are our mobile thrones of opulence and comfort, and even if you want to try other forms of transit the car centric design of everything makes it more dangerous or inconvenient than it really ought to.
I think EVs have a potential to streamline things a bit, gas stations every 5 blocks could become a thing of the past, not to be replaced wholesale by charging stations but instead most people will use at-home charging and only need an ocassional station for long trips, the need for maintenance could be hugely reduced compared to ICEs which would reduce the overall price of ownership, which is already reduced due to electricity being cheaper than fuel.
I think in the future EVs could become to ICEs as LED bulbs are to Incandescents. Transitioning to LED bulbs was rough as the tech was developing, but now it's the ideal form of lighting as it's cheaper to maintain, brighter and more flexible in regards to color temps and whatnot. Current EVs are more like... CFL bulbs, way too many drawbacks that make them dangerous and less than ideal for a lot of use cases.
Exciting stuff. Seeing as how Graphene will be forever vaporware, this might be the next best step.
Graphene has been in products for years now.
Woow thanks for the future
Heavier batteries may be bad for max range but if they are heavier AND perform well in sub zero temps they might be good for traction(weight) and performance in cold snowy areas. I would add a small propane generator to increase range and maybe photovolaic paint for some rarely used cars.
Homes don't care about weight. Soo even if much heavier, there would still be a market, just not automotive.
@@JohnQuePublic903 qfart
Very informativ literaly changed my point if view keep Udo the good work
Thank you very much 🙏🏽
Holding out for the flux capacitor...
Just buy yourself a Mr. Fusion.
It is generally believed in the industry that sodium-ion batteries and lithium-ion batteries are complementary to each other rather than substitutes. Due to the low energy density of sodium-ion batteries, they are more suitable for use in medium and low-speed electric vehicles and large-scale energy storage. Lithium will remain as the source power for most passenger vehicles.
My vehicle runs on gasoline and I see no reason to ever buy a WEF-controlled electric vehicle.
@@deusvult9349 hahahah because the fossil fuel industry is not controlled by the Davos crew lol
@@jamescat2386 Electric cars use fossil fuels to charge up their batteries so it's a zero-sum game, except for the higher cost of vehicles, higher insurance rates, way higher maintenance costs, and exorbitantly high cost of replacement batteries when the original battery craps out.
The other wonderful feature about electric cars is that they can be turned off by the manufacturer or the government at any time for no reason at all.
Real smucking fart there joy boy.
@@deusvult9349 you can charge EV with solar panels fitted on your roof. Even charge at night. Get upcoming sodium based storage facility. But your redneck brain is too tiny to grasp it .
@@deusvult9349 even new ICE vehicles have OS based touch control . So it doesn't matter which car you buy. Again something your redneck brain can not understand.
Can they limit the thousands of connections too ?
I'll wait and see what thunderfoot sez, thanks.
Dude on the internet or the biggest battery manufacturers in the world, who even supplies Tesla with LFP batteries for their model 3. Who would know more about batteries? Hmm...
11 months later you do this video and still haven't got a demo either physically or in a clip? 🤔
the fact that this is coming out of china is worrying i would not think they would do anything to lower the need for lithium.
You do realize that most everything you buy comes from china right?
@@Blueknight1960 not so much anymore. for me at least i only buy food and supplements i try to buy canadian brand clothing that is not outsourced but the electronics have not moved out of china yet.
Why? They aren't a big lithium producer. Most of the world's lithium is mined in Chile and Australia.
It makes perfect sense for China to get away from lithium.
what happened to solid state batteries?
Sodium Ion seems to be preferable to LiFePo4 batteries in every respect, except sodium ion batteries not quite being available yet. Am I missing something?
Maybe they mean on paper so to speak. They would seem more preferable and yet why then are they not being made available to us. It might be due to the batteries not being practical for us the general population. You do know that they have something that is similar to a battery and as long as you keep feeding hydrogen into it , it keeps producing power. Hydrogen fuel cells have a far greater energy storage density than lithium-ion batteries, offering a significant range advantage for electric vehicles while also being lighter and occupying less space
@@carmichaelmoritz8662 Hydrogen has lots of other problems. It needs to be stored under high pressure, or it will take up too much space. It takes energy to get this high pressure and it is a safety risk. The high pressure containers are also heavy. Also production of hydrogen is not particular efficient. Hydrogen is also hard on metal in the long run. Hydrogen do not make much sense to me.
@@Foobarski I drove a hydrogen powered scooter and a lifepo4 cell powered scooter and if not for the price difference I would've chosen the hydrogen powered scooter. It had two removable canisters and to more in another compartment. I could easily drive 200 kilometers and not worry about being stranded anywhere. all the lithium powered scooters would've left me stranded due to the battery pack going dead.
@@Foobarski Yeah, you touch on how hydrogen is hard on metals, because it's such a small molecule, it penetrates its holding container and conduit walls. I think there have also been some serious accidents because of the problem of hydrogen penetrating and attacking materials.
@@carmichaelmoritz8662 "if not for the fact that magic doesn't exist I would choose the flying carpet."
Hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells are never going to get significantly cheaper.
Also you do know you can charge an electric scooter, right?
Anybody recall sodium carbide batteries. Way of the future 80s. Some rechargeable designs made 80 percent capacity. Nicad best was 65 percent capacity. 30 percent efficiency was common for the day with rechargables. The voltage would drop off pretty quick in some cheapie. Same wheel, different design.
So much cynicism in the comments section. Yeah, we see a lot of battery tech coming out because battery tech is critically important to powering the world of the future and our current available technologies have their shortcomings. Not every battery tech will be commercially viable and some will only have niche usage. But with so much money and so much research going into new battery technologies, we will see the battery landscape change over the coming years.
Hey thank you for the comment. I can feel the cynicism in the comments too. Ive spent a lot of time to research and to create this video, but people are very critical. Thank you anyway for your support!
Why don't you tell us how much voltage per 😎cell it produces?
We're hearing about these new technologies and literally nothing changes in reality.
Why are they not built in the USA
The worlds lithium production between 2018 and 2021 was almost the same. But the way you tell it is mis-leading. You are missing or ignoring the years in between which is very telling. It was almost the same in 2018 and 2021 because after 2018 they had to ramp down production due to not enough demand for lithium. China as you stated was stockpiling it (as had many others), and then that lowered its demand for several years as it did not need as much. Lots of companies had bought and stockpiled it. I know mining companies in Australia had ramped down production simply due to supply and demand, not because they could not produce as much. But the way you say it implies they are not able to produce as much to keep up with demand, which is currently not correct at all.
Isn't that just nifty how do plan on charging it
Assault and battery is legal now?
So, other than a sleek marketing video do we have any ACTUAL reports of the progress in this area? Are these batteries EVER going toleave the lab phase?
Please look at Altech Chemicals, also Sodium Alumina Solid State (CERENERGY®).
I have been following their progress for more than a year now ( because I have shares in their company). They are currently producing a total of 100mW of batteries at the moment. They are aimed at grid storage of electricity, not ev cars. They have many advantages over lithium based batteries.
They are in Chinese cars now. So uhm, yeah...
How about thermal overload? In the US at least we have had several thermal overload failures to the point if you have a EV insurance may not allow you to park inside your home.
EVs burn down about 40 times less often than combustion cars. Your insurance is dumb.
But sodium ion batteries are extremely safe and very temperature stable. They are even safer than LFP batteries, which are already much safer than NMC or NCA.
Notice nothing was mentioned regarding safety?
Just because it wasn't mentioned in this unofficial video doesn't mean it wasn't mentioned by the manufacturer or independent battery scientist.
Sodium-ion batteries are much safer than lithium-ion batteries and those are already very safe.
This is great! There is so much sodium on the planet, and a ready supply in the brine that is separated from seawater, to say nothing for many other sources! I don't care if sodium ion is a little heavier, as a little more weight isn't going to hurt vehicles, especially since it's kept down low, making the vehicle more stable. Besides static applications should all be sodium ion anyway, since the weight doesn't even matter there! I really like the lack of heat build up, which will eliminate the need hopefully, for a liquid coolant. Also a little more weight on a vehicle won't cause any real loss, if they would simply streamline them better and quit making them look like they were chopped off on the rear! Lose the ridiculous spoilers! Look to the late 30s and 40s for more streamlined vehicles! Grow up people, you're not driving on the NASCAR circuit, which is the only place they need spoilers over a hundred miles an hour on curves! And if those guys would have the spoilers adjustable they'd be able to go much faster on the straight stretches! But good job on the sodium development
So because you don't like rear wings/spoilers, no one should like them?
@@Blueknight1960 I'm not saying that at all! I mean if you're driving around under a hundred miles an hour on freeways there's no need for for them, however, I admit they look cool, but you've got to make them adjustable! Most of the time they need to be set so that air is forced down toward the bumper and fill in that vacuum space behind the vehicle which just holds you back! You need to review some wind tunnel test to see just what's happening behind your vehicle! It is literally a drag, which is why once you reach 55 to 60 miles an hour it takes so much power to go up from there. That's called drag, suction, or drafting if somebody's right behind you using that suction to help them! If NASCAR was allowed to have adjustable spoilers they could flatten them down for the straight stretches and engage them for the corners, which would improve their top speed by probably as much as 30 mph! The Dodge Daytona with the high Wing spoiler, back in 69 and 70 they were getting 30 Mi an hour higher speeds out of them than any of the other rigs! It pissed me off that they banned them claiming they weren't stock, when you could go down to your Chrysler dealer and order one from the factory! None of these so-called stock cars are stock! You can't go into a dealership and buy one as hopped up as those guys are! I have always thought they should have at least one other division called bashcar and get out there and drive like Dale Earnhardt senior used to do! Maybe they wouldn't go as fast but they'd be a lot more fun and get a lot more people watching! Also they should have yet another division with actual off the showroom floor, Pure Stock and take them out and see how they do! So like I say spoilers are cool and look cool, I agree, they should just actually function over all ranges!
I looked up CATL on stock. It must be purchased through specific brokerages. It can be purchased through ETF's. Since it can only be purchased through specific companies I'm suspicious.
Being suspicious of the biggest battery manufacturer in the world that is Tesla's sole source for LFP batteries....
will there also be small handheld batteries that are sodium ion based in 2023?
I am using Rechargeable AA size Lithium batteries. So far they are great! I too would love to see some consumer sized sodium batteries.
Very please to know the new sodium battery
CATL will have their new factory in my city in Hungary, it is the biggest investment here ever in the whole country's history
Thank you for your comment. Nice to hear it from a native citizen of the city. It is a factory to supply a lot of electric cars made in europe. I think a lot will also follow.
Is there a company publicly traded with this invention?
Not yet but these batteries are going into mass production in 2023.
Stay Tuned
@@The.Futurist I found an ETF that is a Chinese ETF that is 15% made up of the company. China is looking to turn back covid zero soon and with the combination of this and the sodium ion production, this etf could boom!! Ticker symbol is $CNXT tell me what you think
Solid power.... But salt is heavy
@@tophat2002well one kg iron is heavier than one kg feather…
@@saeedboroomand830 🤭
how much will a 60V 100 Amp. Sodium Ion Battery Cost
Mama mia, so we're getting fusion tech and these 🙏
Neat! A salt, and battery!
They are all salts, as its crystal. Sodium is just lots of in the sea water. Sodium is just a ium active metal which is needed, but is one below lithuim. Other than that you have to use the radioactive metals. Sodium advantages as its easy mined from the sea and there is lots of it.
@@pqrstzxerty1296 that joke wanted to live!
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@@pqrstzxerty1296 about 20 years ago a certain doctor forced me to take lithium pills for six months. For some reason it seemed like it helped me build up energy 🤣😂🤣. The bad side effects were no fun though , Constipation , sweating disorder , paranoia , depression , social anxiety , sleeping disorder , panic attacks and a few more symptoms. He also forced me to take modecate injections every week or so during those six months. I no longer trust doctors.
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I would think that a drawback to sodium would be how it reacts to water. How would you put out a car fire if the car has sodium ion batteries?
Big problem with lithium when it comes to contact with water, it will get so hot.
when hybrid graphene and sodium battery?
What happened to the glass battery?
What kind of salt?
I got a thumb up but no response please answer above question.
@@davidmcconnell8637 since he talks about sodium batteries, sodium chloride might be a safe bet. ;)
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🤣 Like the dozens of others, I'll believe it when I see it in commercial use, not a niche market.
Sounds like they just came up with a "twofer." Desalinate water for sodium ion batteries, and water for irrigation in arid regions. Just don't do it 8n California or the low cost would disappear.
This is great news for the world where these sodium batteries can be 100% recyclable!
For new technology of battery, you can use lemon juice, seawater too, oh yeah!
5:55 "charging speed for a 100 kilowatt" "battery in 15 minutes" - he wanted to say 100 kilowatt hours battery, right? As 100kW power of battery is pretty low.
I went with a whole house generator by Generac 22kwh beast :)
Yeah, as we all have seen, far too many times, what a company claims when they announce a breakthrough, will often never come to fruition. So, until the rubber hits the road, we will just have to wait and see what happens. In the meantime, we have other promising battery technologies on the horizon from companies based in much friendlier countries, such as the solid state battery and the graphene battery. Which, if perfected (at least to a point where they become economically viable) are even much more advantages than the sodium battery, albeit with much larger hurdles at the moment, but hey hurdles are meant to be jumped.
There is so much filler on lithium batteries (almost half the video), get into the salt battery information akready
To produce that special yoig need lot of money ... lithium will not go sp soon
The grid in USA can't even handle a few cold days of winter let alone electric cars.
Man this technology came out when I was in high school back in 2005. That time to scale tho, 17 years. damn
It didn't.
There is iron battery that don;t use cobalt, and Tesla is using them. And we are getting 2nd hand old Tesla 18650 battery. And they are still great lol
The video talks about LFP batteries. So yeah, the guy who made it knows about them.
How can you have 400% of capacity?! When 100% is capacity...just say'n...
Thanks 🙏
Very new yet promising seen salt all kinds of ways at the old wells
A revolutionary battery technology will flood the market the day after I buy my 30Kwh battery bank.
Isn't Bolivia also a big lithium producer?
And why wouldn’t they build a plant here in the US seeing we have the biggest salt mine in the world under lake Erie.
I knew a dude that was 'charged' for 'a salt and battery'...ok I'll see myself out now.
What happened to NDB batteries?
They only achieve very low voltages so they aren’t usable for ev‘s
Recently around 5.9 million tons of lithium was found in Jammu and Kashmir, India making india the second 🥈 country in the world with the highest lithium deposit
Great news for india.
Actually lithium is an abundant material but the mini g industry is lagging far behind which drives the prices extreme high!
Lithium is everywhere. For example there are 15 million tons in one region of Germany (Oberrheingraben) alone.
Not sure about aluminum. There's something toxic about it, and I'd wonder about the discard end of it.
Can any of them charge in hostile environments where temperatures are -67 f? Produce the produce please I want to see if it will.
Are you living at the North pole? That's -55°C. It doesn't even get that could at the ass end of Norway.
CATL says these batteries still have more than 90% capacity and charge well at -20°C.
I don't think anybody considered Satan's freezer for testing.
lithium cost $70,000 a tonne but once supply catches up it will be $20,000 a tonne , and you said we will run out of lithium then show Elon musk saying there is no shortage of the element itself.
again: according to a study of the pv magazine the known lithium reserves known to date will run out by 2040.
Elon musk is complaining about the artificial shortage and the price explosion of lithium in the current times.
@@The.Futurist hopefully graphite is next $$$
Not very shortage of Lithium , but it isn't abundant also. Sodium is everywhere , very abundant and very easy to "mine" . Even if it has like 50% of the storage/weight ratio , the price of it would be way cheaper/kW . This makes a huge change since there are a lot of batteries needed for changing to renewable energy , which does need storage when sun don't shine or the wind doesn't blow . Many Li batteries are used for that purpose and many more are needed.
If Elon Musk says something you can be absolutely sure the opposite is true.
@@The.Futurist well that's bullshit. Are you sure you aren't confusing "known" and "developed"? We know about lithium resources all over the world.
February 2020: Lithium = 75,000 Chinese Yuan.per tonne.
February 9, 2023 Lithium = 472,500 Chinese Yuan.per tonne.
Damn. We need alternatives fast!!
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If nothign else, it could be good for powerwall energy packs for housing and hospitals.
As a lithium and EV investor I welcome the sodium battery. Sodium batteries will be used for stationary storage and 2 and 3 wheel vehicles. We need all the lithium we can get with all the 2035 government mandates to switch to 100% new EV sales by then.
They'll also be used for cars and already are in China. 160Wh/kg is good enough for standard range cars, especially since you can save some of the thermal management (sodium batteries being much more stable at high and low temperatures).
If CATL keeps its promise of 200Wh/kg it will be a no-brainer for anything but very long range cars.
@@4203105 No chance. Too heavy.
These will change every thing
just a flash in the pan.. We see the come and go , this idea won't last long !
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Will be cool to test this out in 2050
It doesn't change anything if it doesn't reach scale production and sufficient reliability.
What’s with 2.0 I see it in games and Twitter and many apps🤨
Amidst the hype I remain hopeful.
Most lithium batteries do not use cobalt anymore. Good try though
Thanks
where's tibet in china's map at 0:29 ,there are other mistakes of maps ,have you checked the map?
It won't change everything until it does.
Incorrect information. US has an enormous supply of Lithium in the southwest. You didn’t mention thus
I can build salt battery with fire starter magnesium rod, copper wire, baby food jar and salt water, that works immediately no charging. You can large scale in ocean free electric ⚡
I hate how 70% of all the videos on Sodium Ion batteries are about Lithium Ion Batteries. Sodium Ion Battery starts at 03:57
I would like 10 pickeled batteries please...and large fries 😅
The important thing would be that neither the batteries, nor the charging apparatus will explode.
That can be a real turn-off in an ev.
This technology was made in 2012, the patent rights ended in this December, so this company will use it for free .
Lithium ion was the greatest thing ever when it first came out too, then the fires started..
Average sodium battery only lasts about 140 cycles. Or about 1/2 a year. Do your research.
So a presentation on Sodium that ends on Aluminium within the space of the video! I will wait for the dilithium batteries before committing as we are getting though a new breakthrough element a year in the current battery of the future. Net zero today but the actual technology to run it sometime tomorrow or in someone's dreams sometime never. Great that this work is happening but implementation timetables forcing the move from fossil seem to be in a total panic detached from availability, practicality and affordability. Like trying to get on to a treadmill running completely out of control in all directions.
And what about tritium batteries?
The next NEW and even more Powerful battery will the the Sand Battery. We see Sand on beaches and in our shoes. Why are we messing with Lithium and Sodium go directly to Sand batteries. It is a new tech. Almost as new as windmills.
Sand Batteries are for grid scale, as they are heavy, they’re also used for heating not electrical storage, so completely different applications
This battery technology is perfect for replacing lead acid batteries with much higher energy storage capacity sodium ion batteries that will enable all ICE vehicles to be micro hybrids
All across the globe zero nation has the infrastructure to change EV at scale. Nations are too focus at creating EV vehicles and batteries but ignore the infrastructure needed to generate needed energy.
The EU has the infrastructure. Not sure what 3rd world country you live in.
If Sodium is reclaimed from salt, what will happen to all the Chlorine ?
Dump it in the river,s.
You gotta ask yourself how those UFOs work