Fun Q&A: What the FLOCK Are We Doing??? ;) - Ep. 023
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- We received dozens of questions from the community recently and the three of us wanted to take the time to answer them. You'll have to pardon our chortles, laughs, and gaffes along the way in this one!
00:00 - Here's us!
02:12 - How are you going to share the land?
05:56 - Are you going to sustain as a group with business and the land or have you broken it up into individual endeavors and use of your own section?
17:38 - I imagine you'll all have families so how will you pass down this treasure?
22:29 - Are you planning on projects that you had not imagined when you started, like when you had to clear all the snow?
25:30 - Will you be doing a house tour?
34:32 - How are you planning to minimize your business competition when your future idea overlaps with existing ones in the area?
45:02 - I guess you already established rules between all of you in a contract to avoid future disputes. Could you share some of the ideas you are most proud of?
48:24 - Is the house experience everything that you hoped it would be?
51:57 - Did your dad join the Flock?
54:36 - How will partners and significant others fit into the Flock?
57:15 - Do you plan on constructing a greenhouse?
01:02:57 - Will you be growing any ornamental, tropical plants?
01:03:09 - Will you be selling plants and opening it up to the community?
01:07:19 - Are you planning any water projects or wetland plantings?
01:10:30 - Are you planning on sharing any advice on native alternatives to invasive species?
01:11:36 - How are the developments of the gardens going and what new things are you planning on doing?
01:13:57 - I'd love to know more about the food forest and the pawpaws!
01:21:35 - Are you planning on opening up the land for research projects and collaborations with Cornell University?
1:23:40 - Would you consider a staycation for people who love gardening?
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sander: "its a very old house, its 30 years old"
me: laughs in 100+ house
someone in medieval european town: amateurs...
Hahaha totally true. 30 is nothing. But it definitely needs some loooooveeee (leaks, mice, and no air flow!). We've heard from one of our neighbors (here say right now until we can confirm it), that the land we are stewarding originally had the oldest house here (1700s) in the area. Luckily we're not having to work with something 300+ years old at this stage. Not with lack of contractors and high, high prices on lumber, etc.
74 here!
Everything Joey said - about uncertainty, community, growing food and relationship with your land -- YES.
We're freelancers too, and we're also in the process of building a homestead on shared property. So much of what Joey was saying really hit home for me.
I always love hearing from Summer and Saunder. It was really cool to have Joey's perspective, too!
Yes thank you Third member, Joey!, for taking the time and being part of this video. I hope to see more of you on here
If I were a billionaire with money to throw around, instead of buying a dumb yacht I would give you the money to build a white elephant of a greenhouse to see the most amazing interior space come to life. But alas, as the Portuguese proverb goes: God doesn't give wings to the snake: there are more important things to do in the world :-) looking forward to seeing your down to earth project come to life.
Ahhh Siloe, you're the best. Things don't always come easily. But part of the reward of all of this is seeing our good hard work and patience pay off in progress.
I started following Summer for over a year now and love this project of yours. I watch every episode and glad there is another channel to binge watch. Joey is so eloquent and love his thoughts.
Listening to you guys talk about your contracts makes me think that all people entering into marriage/partnerships should have these documents. Especially the "where are you going in life" document.
Recover your native plant list.
Have you consider approaching a Landscape Architect college department to conduct a design charette for your property? They could include the Environmental Regional Planning department to evaluate best use for various aspects of your property and I'm sure you would get some really great ideas!
Like that you guys are so bold to share your dreams! Looking forward to see more exciting progress to this new venture! Hope Summer will still continue to do your gardening videos even after your move out of Brooklyn 🥰 Especially the transformation of homes with plants! I finds it very educational! Happy that your post pops up in my FB ✌️
"Way down yonder in the pawpaw patch" -- pawpaws will be my #1 first tree project whenever I get myself my own land.
Loved the Q/A and getting to meet/know Joey!
Goood people doing goood things. Peace and love.
Loving your vision. You are my people. Connection to the natural world. Perfect harmony. It will all work out
Coffee does actually grow in colder climates (there are varieties growing in Michigan), and Mushroom Frittatas with Kale / Spinach / or Asparagus - I don't think you'd be starving with how creative you can be!
This is “ thinking outside the box at its finest “ !
Can you imagine if more ppl had this opportunity?
I really admire to three of you because you're young but wise all of your invested a land .You have a right decision to bought that Land the value will never depreciated it will always appreciated unlike a car it will easily depreciated.You can convert it into a camping site because it has a lake people now adays wanted to fishing,swimming and many more activities.
Thanks for answering my question. I am very happy to see how you guys are focused on community growth🍀.
If you are taking out some trees you could maybe get timber milled to use for projects? There is kit to convert a chainsaw to a small mill.
Yes. I've seen it used on The Nomadic Movement on RUclips - a US couple who've moved to Panama. They bought land & also share it with others who are building on their property, & work together on various building projects. They've become adept at dragging fallen trees home - cut huge boards of some exotic wood, & made it look simple, if you're strong & know what you're doing.
What an Amazing place. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. For so many of us, after the pandemic it feels like starting over or even starting anew and it can be so exciting. There is so much to be grateful for and to look forward to. Thank You all for Sharing. Its inspirational.
I am so glad there are people out there who want to help the land, so thank you! I live in an overcrowded country and just don't have the money, but if I did I'd be doing it too.
To be patient and flexible is sometimes difficult but ultimately rewarding.
Brainstorming for the greenhouse is really exciting! I can’t wait to see it built!
Look how far you guys have come so far … so awesome. 😊
Fascinating to hear all of your plans! We’ve had a certified backyard habitat for the last 30 years. I can’t imagine having 90 acres to nourish.....and play with...
OMG - i had the same idea with the houses across from each other divided and united by the greenhouse. That seems like an excellent model ! I -for one, would vote for you building that. 🙂
Also look up passive solar greenhouse design! Plants only need the southern and maybe eastern walls of the greenhouse exposed - rest can be highly insulated. Putting thermal mass in the greenhouse (e.g., stone) will help it warm up in the winter (ours in WI gets into the 70s-80s on sunny winter days) and you can use shade cloth, deciduous tree planting, and/or carefully designed roof overhangs to reduce heat gain in the summer.
I'm so happy that flock read and answer my question!!! 😍🥰🤩
I'm so excited to see your greenhouse and your livestocks.
Thanks for asking it!
Very nice and informative video! I‘m very curious about the former process:) and it was really nice to see Joey again
Great hearing from Everyone. A Earthship home is a really cool alternative living option, may be something to build on the property somewhere. Wishing you all continued success with your projects. ✌🏼
Earth ships are sooo beautiful, and the best way to help the environment. 👍♥️
How did we humans forget?! I am hoping to follow in your footsteps, flock! Water sources are my issue atm....grrr. Love you guys!
you should definately invest in woodmizer saw mill and a decent wood chipper.you can use youre own lumber,and wood chip improvement of bio diversity,paths etc. you can learn to use these machines easily,also 3 ton digger would be nice,to mive trees,drainage etc etc.Get hands on,permaculture
32:02 yess could not have said it any better 🙌🙌🙌
a permaculture food forest as well as growing organic crops with special emphasis on those varieties with the highest nutrient density would be an easy option for you guys.. i myself eat a whole food plant based diet. i also try to eat completely organic and try to find growers who through garden amendments strive for maximum nutrient density (nigel palmer). i think because of the area you live in this would be a very high demand product for future income.
I love this so much
I love Joey’s jokes!!
Have you guys thought about asking a college Landscape Architecture department for some ideas about the land?
Have you considered setting aside extra plots for future business partners, to be held communally until then?
Kevin Wallace of Mindfulness Homestead has a series of ponds and hugelkultur in his former gravel pit property. I'm pretty sure he's also in NY.
For your "No Grocery Shopping" experiment, Joey better start developing a taste for dandelion root coffee.
Wonderful, critical, honest discussions! Good job! Greenhouse? Red Gate Farm on youtube did a Walipini (passive food production) Greenhouse that has great promise. Let the land tell you where to place the features you are considering...If you have lots of woods and therefore lots of wood for building, why not consider round timber building techniques like Kris Harbour on youtube? Just some ideas that seem to mesh with Joey's working with change, adapting, and resiliency. You all are awesome! Thank you for sharing your ideas and hopefulness, especially where communal living is regarded. Love what you are doing!!! Goats and pigs are great for clearing invasive species and seeding the soil with grasses. Blessings Abound.
I have just started following the flock... personal expense is a problem unless money is a problem.... My Dad started our "farm" over 50 years ago..... mostly timber land.... sold timber soon after paid off most of the debt..... I don't want to ramble..... I wish your adventure works for many years, maybe generations.
Joey has such an ASMR voice lol
You rock Summer 💚 Love your spirit, no, admire it. Your followers are very smart.
in Hungary they raise ducks on ponds. Then, next year they stock fish into those ponds. Then drain when the fish need harvesting. Then repeat! same amount of space, 2 very important foods for your independence or incomes.
We are having a lot of problems getting any work done around the house as well. We need a new electric panel (built in 50s) but can't get anybody to come out, so completely understand. A 14x28' greenhouse will quickly be too small. I have a 12x12' greenhouse and I live in an urban area. I quickly fill it up with stuff that I over-winter and seed flats in the spring.
I'm sure that with solar, & maybe radiant heated floors, you can heat the greenhouse(s). I'd resist the idea of building two houses next to the greenhouse to reduce heating costs as solar would be adequate. Also building a greenhouse with the right materials will make a big difference.
Also, if you dig down 5, 6 feet, to build the floor of the greenhouse, you will be able to set up a Geothermal system to capture the 50-ish temperature of the earth at that depth & lay down a Geothermal heating & cooling system, at that depth & lay the pipes across a large area, rather then the old way of digging an 80' shaft to provide heating & cooling - and be able to afford a passive radiant heat floor in winter & capture & circulate cool air in the heat of summer with fans run by solar power.
Re_ weeding & removing invasive species, please work smarter not harder. One thing not enough people use is Horticultural vinegar. It's so strong it can burn your skin so you must wear protective coverings, including eye protection, & chemical gloves. You can use a spray tank & dilute it to maybe 1 part vinegar to 2 parts water, & see if that's strong enough. If not go 50/50. Don't get it on your clothes or shoes. It will burn your skin.
For a large shrub, cut it to the ground with a chainsaw or loppers, & compost all vegetative matter. You will need the compost later. Then spray the open ends of freshly cut roots. Spray the ground around the crown to kill the most fine roots.
Go back in a week & spray any new growth. Keep on doing that until there is no new growth. Leave the dead roots in the ground so they can decompose over time rather than expending any back breaking work of thinking you need to remove all the roots. As long as your sprayer tank is working, you can go around & spray any new growth - if there is any.
Also, when making new flower or veggie beds, before tilling the soil, consider removing & composting any non-toxic materials by cutting them to the ground, & then follow up with the vinegar spray to remove the plants which keep on putting out new leaves. Then if not planting by direct seeding the 1st year or two years, you can use the pre-emergent agent in Preen - Corn Gluten Meal - to prevent weed seeds in the soil from sprouting.
Water the CGM to saturate the top few inches & let it do it's thing. Wait a few days to a week to be sure the vinegar in the soil is diluted enough by your watering a couple times, or once plus a good rain - just to be sure, if you've used vinegar all over to kill all weeds, just wait a while to be sure the vinegar has been sufficiently diluted before planting seedlings or larger plants, but no seeds for the next two seasons, as the CGM may still have some effect.
I wish more gardeners knew that by using the CGM, they could enjoy a blissful 6 months to a year - without weeding - so at least a season of a weed free garden bed. Planting your own or purchased or shared veggie & ornamental plants started in pots will not be harmed by the CGM, which only hormonally disables seeds from sprouting. It's not a poisonous lab created chemical.
So if you feel the vinegar is not going to impact where you're planting, there would be no need to wait until you plant your purchased or home grown seedlings. I would recommend a mulch appropriate to whatever you're planting, to reduce the exposure to the summer sun which causes heating of the soil which leads to evaporation. Water in the mornings before 10 AM, Avoid watering late in the day as this can cause powdery mildew.
For a light feed; put veggie scraps & yard waste in a big tub & fill with water. Somewhere down wind & away from the neighbor's house or seating areas, & let it sit in the sun. After a week or so, use that to water your plants, plus any fertilizer you want for heavy feeders. Aging any animal manure in the compost pile a few months, continually turning it & watering it to prevent it from drying out, will prevent any burning caused by using new manure.
I'm so looking forward to whatever you guys do with your new property. You make a great team.
There are obviously 2 flocks here lol
@FactsRFacts222 ! I guess they mean the right side of the screen vs the left side of the screen?
really enjoy following this life adventure you three have begun.. it took me a week to finish this video 😄... but it gave me something to look forward to after work 👍🏾😉
Where there are invasives, call Chip Drop and get free removers to drop wood chips. Studies have shown that going 12 inches to 16 inches on FRESH wood chips prevents new growth.
It DOES take about 3 years for so much wood chips to decay enough to plant new stuff. But it seems you have so much land that doing really good prep in at least some areas might be a good idea.
So, for instance, on large bushes/trees, cut down to ground level and then cover with 12 to 16 inches on wood chips.
In about 3 years, you’ll have fantastically productive soil in which to plant new trees & shrubs.
As far as using agricultural vinegar, sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do.
And using it SELECTIVELY is ok.
But avoid just spraying it all over the place. Along with the plants, it kills the beneficial stuff in soil.
Anyway, 12 to 16 inches of FRESH wood chips can both kill invasives & create great soil with all the good fungus and stuff in it.
Finally, there’s a RUclips channel called “The Common Milkweed” where a couple has been rewilding their property for 10 years.
I highly recommend it if you’re not already familiar with it.
Good luck to all of you.
although i don’t know when you guys are thinking of building (whether it’s homes or other outbuildings) i’d personally recommend holding off on building till after we swing back to ‘normal’. my grandparents were working on renovating their home on cape cod and started construction in november 2020, if they had instead started today they’d be paying 3 times as much and they’re predicting that materials and labor costs will go back down in the next year or two so y’all are smart to hold off as long as possible😂😭 btw this was a rly cool video 💖💚
I agree. Sheets of plywood arent getting any cheaper
lol, when do you expect to swing back to normal, everyone keeps saying you're going into hyperinflation, meaning you'll lose all your savings too
@@mimosveta good question 🥲
This was such a great talk guys. I just love following your journey😁
If you want goats with your lifestyle, I would advise an 8ft or higher dear fence including gates and get lamas (anything under 8ft lamas can jump) and gees for the ponds, both are gradian animals, keep the gees with the chickens and ducks. The goats will eat the plants that ticks and chiggers climb up. With that system you can all be gone from the property for a month in non-winter seasons without needing to feed or water any animals. You would need self-timers on automatic watering in the greenhouses. PS same fence around you outside garden.
Mmmm for heating a greenhouse, how about a partially below ground greenhouse? :O I can't remember if it was on the flock channel or yours Summer but I think you toured a greenhouse on someone's property where the bottom half of the greenhouse was buried underground. I think the owner was growing a lot of tropical plants and trees too? It was a cool idea considering his property also underwent some distinct seasons (with a considerable amount of snow in winter too). Something to keep in mind if y'all want an attached greenhouse to your future homes :)
Definitely wait a bit for the market to normalize. Focus on maintaining the place :-) Blessings on your Journey of Love
Definitely a good recommendation.
Fantastic!!! Show some trail-cam footage next time...
hahaha....30 yrs old is not old. My hand built, from lumber made by hand from trees cut off the land for the space required still has original floors even. The huge beautiful drypiled stones which lined the walls of the basement & huge wide deep well were all dug up here, moved by hand & some animals. The Cape Cod house, not waterfront, is 84 yrs old, is a YOUNG house in Nova Scotia. When people I meet in the villages or coves ask where I live, I just say who built the house & then know exactly where I am. I know this because they now tell me that my gardens are really lovely, that I've done so much work on the lawns, including the hand digging of dandelions which attract ants & slugs, including 3 wide deep ditches along the hwy which I hand cut/dug all the wild growth out of . THAT prevents people from throwing out their trash after having snuck off to the golden arches or Tim's on their way thru town coming home. They feel some level of shame when a place is kept very well groomed. You need to travel & see the places that the first adventurers landed to find NA.
Finally Joey!! The flock is Complete 🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼btw, cool t-shirt Sander. Lemme know how i can get it
Glad you like! We have some shirts on our site: www.flockfingerlakes.com/shop but US shipping only.
Nice share..
What the flock 👌
It sounds like a great place to have air bnb treehouses
You’ve been to Edible Acres to film, they have a vreat nursery of plants, and réd cap mushrooms too
Waynes place was amazing :)
We agree. He's done such a fine job with it.
honeysuckle is grown as ornamental here in balkans, and I don't know what rosa multiflora is, but that thing is gorgeous... if I could figure out a name it would probably turn out to be common here too (i live in heavily urban area so it's not likely I would see it around)
try and plan what you can acheive,without constant contractors,being necessary,as you have time you could acheive a lot in house I am sure good luck
Joey didn’t look like he was very comfortable with this question and answer episode?💚🙃
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The honeymoon phase can stretch out for years.
What familiar conversations...from the 1970s!!!! Inequalities in labor might be the most common problem in a communal group. Sexism was the basis of much of the inequality in those days, and continues to be a real topic - but in this group doesn't seem to be prominent. What do you think?
I do think that the 3 executive partners cuts away a lot of the LONG meetings for example, consensus building in a large group... memories are not so great of these meetings.
Wow, what a great water system to inherit.
Great idea building a mock up structure to get a feel. We lived in a tent for 6 months before we started building (by hand)
I do recommend making some temporary / inexpensive structures to provide privacy and places to work in the winter. The greenhouse will be wonderful.
Such an exciting and promising endeavor.
Love from Jennie in Oneonta
❤️💯
As a real estate broker, u have to identify boundaries and who gets the fruits of the property or income ftom the fruits or income of the property, its called usufruct aggreement.
Joey trying to manxplain 'Bogota' hahah . . .
Do a double fence 5 feet apart.... Deer won't jump it......
Maybe a Hartley greenhouse??
Do you have plans to create a small ecovillage or just homestead for the three of you? Just wonderibg since you made a video of an exovillage in Ithica.
Summary: "We have no actual plans (to communicate today anyway) and everything will work itself out because of, you know, communication and optimism, sharing and caring, and lots of clever ideas." Got it. Good luck!
I think short term building yurts is a good option, to get a feel of where you want to build your future homes.
Did I miss it? Did I miss the relationship explanation amongst you three. I really want to know if you and Sander are a couple?😍👍🏼
Want to know too 😅
@FactsRFacts222 ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I'm not the only one who saw that then.
Congrats ! If you look at regenerative ag approach with the chickens especially and consider using them to enrich the soil, using chicken tractor instead of a coop.(they can be cute too!) Moving the chickens means less parasite pressure, and you don't have to sling manure... part of the land might very well do well with deer, working with eco systems and look at conservation techniques for those areas.. Love the lawn to meadow but if there is controlled grazing with movable fencing might be a better investment than a permanent deer fence all over...the meadow in nature is replenished and enriched by grazers... there is no ecosystem without animals .. You sound like you might want something like a working homestead with conservation corridors...part of the homework is your long game vision is knowing what it means to steward the land...
besides contractors would be good to look at Passive House for building and Permaculture for zoning and orienting the land.
OK, think about a Conservation School .
Like minded people of newer generations my be fonder of your plans.
joey looks so scary when he’s serious, like he could bite you just anytime
Is summer and sander a thing?
Set up a teepee if you want individual spaces
Think Native American... the land is not to be sold only shared. Make your area compatible with Mother Nature, the rest will work itself out.
I think if you butt up your houses to à tropical green house you’ll need to think about vapor migration, Stone and brick, Adobe and earthworks would do better than wood. Dirt heap too espaciallybif you dont’ t go into the cement added to earth. Please inspiré yourslef from bioclimatic houses in Europe, with natural materials. I’m à canadian living in Europe and just loving the cultural mixes (super high insulation ànd weather resilience from the canadian upbringing, extremely local and historic materials in europe that turn out can be super insulative and durable...)
Joey is cute :3
Are you familiar with the CoHousing model?
Warmest hug
Jennie of Oneonta
Are you all minimalist?
You ever think about allowing hunting on the land to help with the deer?
American Mink
"If we get married and divorced and have children" .... Does this mean both joey and sanders are single? :O
Leasing is a horrible idea.
Cull ur deer herd...... N start studying...... Hope you didn't go into this endeavor blindly..... Study study study..... Fix fix fix...
Yall smoke too much weed
A 30 year old house is NOT an "old house". Come on. You are showing your age. There are many houses that are MUCH older and doing just fine. Sorry ... but to hear you state more than once that this is a very old house because it is 30 years old ... nope, not really.
Would you consider not buying natural or nonhuman animals for exploitation?
Breeders constantly impregnate each animal and sell to people like you who may or may not know the cruelty behind this industry.
It’s best to rescue and/or adopt them for the sole purpose of giving them a loving home, a place they can live out their days in peace. A sanctuary if you will. Not to be used in anyway.
“Goats can be handy” sounds like you’re talking about a tool. Not a living sentient being.
If not, I would forgo bringing any into your life. Stick with plants in that case.
Peace.