PART 3: Where will the ACC Schools End UP? Pitt | Louisville | Syracuse | Wake BC GT | Realignment
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- WildUte of the College Football Mafia joins us to discuss the likely new homes for each of the ACC schools' if/when the ACC implodes. In Part 3 of this series, we discuss Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and Boston College. Will they end up un the B1G, SEC, Big 12, or somewhere else?
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Where do you see these 6 schools ending up? Do they even have a shot at getting into one of the power conferences?
Pitt, Louisville,to XII
BC, Wake Forest, homeless
The Orange men, GT Possible XII just depends on VT. NCST.
I do think a rebuilt ACC more likely than PAC12 collapse - I wonder if a PAC12 - ACC merger could happen - pull in Tulane, UCF and maybe a Rice to balance out regions?
Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, SMU, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Washington State, SDSU.
Are you a fan of one of these schools?
Actually, Pitt checks all the boxes for the big ten and would revive one of the oldest rivalries in college football with Penn State.
Pitt doesn't expand the conference's footprint, and it's not a big enough brand to justify it (i.e. ND). I don't know if academics and a rivalry game will be enough. I guess it depends on just how big they want to grow.
Syracuse big10 old rivalry with penn state
B1G had its chance but passed. They could still add Syracuse, but I think they have their eyes set elsewhere.
Trust me, we are not concerned about going to the Big 12. Utah Fans were always saying, “they were not going to the Big 12” with their arrogance.
Big 12 has plenty of problems just like the ACC. Big 12 has no major brands and needs the ACC to fail so the Big 12 is relevant, and as it stands, ACC is the better conference. Just a fact with our current teams.
I won't argue with you about Utah fans, but as far a which conference is better, I have to disagree. I'd say they're similar, except one is on the brink of failing and the other is the best basketball conference with tons of fun, competitive football teams.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu again, idk about failing. Maybe losing some teams. Again, Big 12 has no major brands, very competitive football and especially basketball.
I won't be happy if we see another conference destroyed, but if the ACC loses its top 2-4 brands, it's done for. It might still survive, but it will be a shell of itself. That's already happened to the Big 12, and it's about as healthy as it could be.
Screw the power 5 conferences
Thier is a sleeping giant waiting to emerge if only the AD get thier acts together and form a new league that has traditional rivals and a fan base and media markets that would rival the power 5 It would only need a Dave Gavett to put it together. For all the talk of Power 5 those schools do not matter in this region compared to the draw of teams in the new conference. The teams would be the Boston College , Syracuse, Pitt , w Virginia , U Conn, U Mass,
Army , Navy Maryland ,Rutgers ,Temple, Penn
All East Coast teams in major media markets with a fan base that would get behind a conference geared to thier needs
No one in the east coast cares about Sec schools Or. B12
This conference would draw fans and attention because it would be competitive , local , traditional and
Esst Coast pride would love to stick it to the other conferences
Even if it for football and the olympic sports it would work if only thier was a organization to get behind it The travel for fans and team would be a bigger plus and save cash
Thes
I would love a return to more regional and traditional rivalries.
Pitt has a Big 10 shot. It’s called Penn State
I think that's more of a reason it won't happen. What incentive did Penn St have to let an in state rival have a seat at the table?
@@saturdayswarriorbyuPitt is AAU
That's not a reason to let them in, just a standard. There are many schools that would do more for the Big 10 by expanding geography that are also AAU. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that Pitt has got to be down the pecking order.
Well done. Yes, many schools would prefer staying pat in a rebuilt ACC and be happy, even if they don't see a higher paycheck in other conferences.
Somehow I do not think Pitt is happy making < 1/2 of Penn State makes and even less $ then West Virginia.
Yes, but those are the schools that don't have better options.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu spot on! does anyone think WSU or OSU wouldn't take a ticket to the Big12 if offered? my gut says they would take that in a heartbeat if offered.
Wrong. Louisville is potentially SEC worthy
Yeah, there's a chance they end up in the SEC, but I would think there're several teams higher up on their list.
I have 1 historical correction and 1 historical comment.
Actually, the Big XII chose West Virginia over Louisville, a year before the ACC chose Louisville as West Virginia was no longer available. The 2 other "contenders" at that time were Cincinnati and UConn.
Georgia Tech was an original member of the SEC. Georgia Tech left the SEC in 1964. There are people who are alive who remember this. Georgia, for one, would vociferously oppose Georgia tech's entrance into the SEC, so Sankey would really have to pull a fast one to get them in like he did with Texas over Texas A&M's dead body.
GT burnt way too many bridges in the SEC when they left than just Georgia. It wasn’t a good moment for GT.
Right on both points.
The smugness of this Utah dude is ironic. Like Pitt didn’t win the ACC in 2021 and finish ranked in 2022. Hail to Pitt!
He asked for this 😂
Pitt is arrogant. That arrogance over basketball is why they abandoned Penn State. Look at Pitt and Penn State now
@@davidbrown386 you’re talking about something that happened in the 80s. And your recollection is a bit revisionist. Joe Pa wanted to be judge and jury of an Eastern League and it wasn’t in Pitt’s interest to sign up for that.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu the audacity 🤣
Joe Paterno did not want to rule like a King ( except on the field). As it turned out, Pitt, BC, WVA, Syracuse and especially Temple would have been better off listening to him. Anyway PSU is better off it did NOT happen. Why? PSU in the Big 10 which gives them security and allows them to afford an $800m renovation of Beaver Stadium.
Pitt vs WVU rivalry in Big 12 just makes sense to me. Do they even have a rival in the ACC?
Bring the Backyard Brawl to the Big 12!
Pitt, Cincinnati, Louisville, WVU all belong in the same conference..
Pitt and Syracuse are brother schools they are each other permanent rival school
GaTech would definitely be a strong candidate for B10. Would be regional to FSU as well
Also B12
Nothing left to build rebuild in the ACC
GA Tech is so interesting because they check a lot of boxes, but still could find themselves on the outside.
WVU was chosen over Louisville for the Big 12 conference and after WVU was already in the Big 12 the spot in the ACC that Louisville took opened up.
In the long run WVU may have been the wiser.
WVU is the lucky one. Just like Penn State and even Rutgers over most eastern schools:
You're right about the timeline.
GT was a founding member but left in 1964 as Dodd hated Bear Bryant and Alabama and GT was our biggest rival during Auburn hiatus hence “send the Yellowjackets to a watery grave” in Yeah Alabama.
Yeah, the SEC doesn't need them either.
I think Media Markets matters more then teams. I could see SEC, Big 10, or Big 12 going after Northeast media market with Boston, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh. I could see SEC going after that NE market.
They do matter, but the SEC has been consistent in the brands it has pursued. I think they'd like to get into NC and VA.
Ur putting the old Big East back together
It could happen. Didn't make the cut then, and it looks like they may not make it again.
Would love to see the Big 12 add Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State. then Pitt if they really want a good home, if not then UCONN
We didn't even discuss whether UConn would be a better option than any of these schools. Great point! Maybe add them all.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu UCONN would be much closer with the NYC Market, although this isn't as much about markets anymore as it is name brands. Plus UCONN would be a wonderful addition for both Men's & Women's BB as well as all their other sports. Kansas foxed their FB program, UCONN could do the same in a bigger conference. Yormark has brought them up before I wouldn't totally dismiss them. Just saying.
Louisville is arguably a top 5 brand in the ACC rn. Look at the ratings. Only reason SEC doesn’t want Louisville is because Kentucky would not allow it.
Louisville would be a solid add for the Big 12. They've had their moments in football and are a near blue blood basketball brand.
Absolutely bring in Vatech, Pitt, NC State, and L'ville. They would fit football and basketball. As a Mountaineer, the Backyard Brawl would bring it....the love/hate relationship we have is beautiful 🙂! I miss our banter!
They feel like the 4 best fits for sure. And yes, bringing the Backyard Brawl in conference would be huge.
Yes, Pitt to the B12.
Why?
Same reason Miami, NCSt, Clemson, GaTech, VaTech, or Louisville would move there. The money will drop significantly once FSU moves on.
It'll be a much better situation.
I agree I have been saying Pitt will be in the Big 12
They aren't a fit for the other two.
Appreciate the videos
Personally I think this swings to 3 power conferences of 24 schools
That breaks down to 4 divisions of 6 schools. They play 10 conference games. The semi finals are cross over games for each division. This would be the last week of the regular season.
This goes into a 16 team playoff. The 4 division winners of the sec and B1G get auto bids. The 2 teams for the Big 12 championship get auto bigs. This would leave 6 at large or wild card teams.
The G5 expands and host their own playoff and national championship.
Just my thoughts
i see SEC and BigTen sitting at 20 members for awhile and then maybe the Big12 going to 24. no need for the SEC and BigTen to move to 24 right now. they can sit fat and happy for now at 20 each and pick up whoever they want down the road.
I'd believe anything anymore. It does seem everyone wants to move away from divisions, but when you get so big, it makes more sense.
If you watch this series of videos the majority of the ACC would be moving on from the ACC. I don’t see how the B1G only adds 2 schools. FSU and Notre Dame are no brainers. But do you think if UNC wants in they are going to say no? The ball is already rolling down hill. They can add in some major brands and media markets. Example Miami and Atlanta.
As for divisions it will happen just to keep cost down.
The Big 12 will become the land of misfit toys that the SEC and B1G passed on.
Lifelong GT fan, but unfortunately, my team doesn't want to compete anymore. They proved that when they hired Paul Johnson.
At least it's not the triple option anymore, right?
@@saturdayswarriorbyu you're right, but we ride that ship too long.
Congrats on BYU’s BBall season so far! Who saw that coming?!!!
Not me!
Syracuse football is on the up swing with new coach recruiting and culture setting - but rebuilt
ACC still most likely
That or perhaps the American.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I think American schools would rather move up to backfill even a diminished “power” ACC - with the two last PAC12 and ACC should maybe merging as well
It is going to be interesting to see what Syracuse can accomplish this season so far coach Fran brown has been really working hard on the recruiting and with his choice of coordinators I am really hoping they can at least win half their games maybe a bowl game. If the ACC does fall apart any chance of a reunion with the Big East
Maybe, but then where to the park football? Independence isn't viable. The MAC?
IF Utah decides to go B10, look for V12 to get into the Cali market somehow. Also OSU and WSU still sit there.
Tulane might be another option. Remember that the ACC will be a lot small $$$ deal after the gutting of it's bigger names. B12 will be a much better place to land.
If I were the BigTen I'd see how everything shakes out after the ACC collapse. Wait a little while... It's really easy to add new members... not so easy to kick out members if you find out you're too bloated..
Interesting point. It can be costly to add new members if they have to buy their way out of their conference though.
Trevor, do you mind telling us what metro area you are from? You mentioned that you are from the East. I am long time Virginia resident from B12 country. Would love to have some of the ACC join the B12 and play in my neck of the woods. WV has been closest and fun road trips.
I'm in the Tidewater area. Went to see BYU in Morgantown. It wasn't too bad of a drive, but it would be great to have a chance to see my guys more frequently.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu Appreciate you sharing. Me Ok-State fan in D.C. area. Go Pokes! BYU is a great add to the B12, love their fan support.
I like Syracuse.
NCSt is a better option!
So the B12 goes to 22?
Remember B12 would take UConn, Gonzaga, on BB only. Don't discount that.
Yeah, we were only looking at ACC schools, but this others definitely impact the equation.
But honestly why take Gonzaga right now? Are they much better than someone like St. Mary? What makes them better than San Diego State?...
Eventually there will be little difference between ACC and AAC...
They may even merge. Sad what's happening.
Syracuse has rivalry with pitt wv syracuse is average at football give r new coach from the sec two years and smack talk that. What r u smoking aau status not being revoked yet
I'm not out on Syracuse to the Big 12. Not sure what I'm smoking, but it must be good, because they've been out since 2011. I really thought they were still AAU. Thanks for calling me out.
I love the exercise and format. but couple of things. you left out the acc newbies
also, some of the logic is oversimplified. having a footprint doesn’t necessarily eliminate another team. cultural doesn’t eliminate teams either. duke to big 12 for basketball is higher probability than you gave them.
UNC could bring duke to b1g or bring NC St to SEC
UVA has more of B1G feel while Va Tech has a SEC feel to it
it also could be possible that ACC merges with American much same way PAC and MTW may do.
i also see a world where cusa gets folded or consolidated if G5 schools expand to 16 (or beyond). sunbelt (south) mac (midwest), mtw (west) and american (national)
I agree with everything you said. The G5 comment you made was me to me but sounds plausible.
You are forgetting the old SWC rivalry Arkansas vs Texas
Another good example. OU and Mizzou too.
The same reason Pitt and Louisville go to the B12. Who would be left for the ACC to rebuild around?
No freakin body!
Boston College, Wake Forrest, Syracuse, Duke?, SMU, CAL, Stanford.. maybe I missed someone.. Notre Dame?
Not sure how those will make as much as the Big 12.
I disagree with your assessment that some of these schools won’t even draw interest from the Big XII.
My thought process is that WHEN realignment causes the ACC schools to start changing conferences, this will be the LAST opportunity to amass P5 level schools into one of these remaining conferences. There are no more schools outside of 4-6 G5 schools available to add and ALL of the schools in the ACC & PAC-2 are better options than those.
The Big XII is going to need more than 4 more teams to provide enough content to make enough revenue to keep a “rebuilt ACC” from combining with the best available west coast (WSU, OSU, Cal?, Stanford?) & Mountain West schools along with poaching the best 5-7 brands (U of A, ASU, Utah, Colorado, KU, Baylor, UWV) out of the Big XII to make itself the third best conference and turn the Big XII into a G5 conference.
This is a multi-dimensional game of chess where each conference is working on maintaining or improving their position so that they don’t get left in the dust.
Great points! We assume that the Big 12 would only add 4 new schools. Who knows how big conferences are going to get at this point. And I also wouldn't rule out Oregon St and Washington St as potential additions down the road either. There are some G5 schools I'd likely take over Wake, but I see your point.
FSU
GaTech to B10
UNC
UVa to SEC
Pitt
Louisville
VaTech
NCSt to the B12. Unless the UNC NCSt tie is upheld.
Clemson
Miami
Duke
Syracuse would then be homeless, or in a rebuilt ACC.
With WF, BC, and whoever they could scrape in. Contracts would be terribly low.
You think Miami, Clemson might rethink the B12 offer then? Oh yea!
I can see the B12 getting to 24 teams coast to coast
That's what I was saying, there are some scenarios where some solid brands slip through the cracks and end up in the Big 12.
GT wont go to the SEC due to them leaving the way they did.
True, it should be 0%
Have you guys thought about the possibility of schools like Syracuse and Boston College going back to the BIG East to make sure they're basketball programs don't suffer and bringing other schools like Duke, Georgia Tech, and Wake with them to recreate a football playing wing of the conference like there was before those schools left for the ACC. You already got UCONN in the BIG East with a football program that desperately needs a conference to play in and I'm sure the BIG East doesn't want to risk losing UCONN basketball again and would love to have Syracuse basketball back where it belongs.
Aside from BC and SU and UConn, who would make up the numbers in that "Football Big East?" Pitt and Louisville if the B12 doesn't bite? UMass, Marshall, Temple, South Florida, FAU, Memphis? Northern Illinois?
My concern would be there's not enough schools to fill that football league. And the Big East already tried the half football schools half not model and it eventually failed. In thinking it's more likely they either raid the AAC or merge with them.
@@mklein818 it would definitely be a small football playing conference because of all the non football schools you already got. Probably like 6-8 teams. UCONN, Syracuse, Boston College, whatever other leftover ACC schools(the BIG 12 can’t take them all), with probably a school or two from the American like Memphis, Tulane, or USF
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I think they would take a few select schools from the AAC to rebuild the ACC but I don’t think you’ll see a clean merger with all the AAC schools and I don’t think Syracuse would ever join the AAC outright. Remember UCONN was in the American and decided to go back to the BIG East and play football as an independent because they thought the AAC was hurting they’re basketball program with not enough benefits for it’s football program to make it worth it. I don’t think Syracuse would hurt it’s basketball program just so they’re football team could be in a non power conference.
They’ll end up in the ACC.
Hopefully we don't lose another longstanding power conference. Seems inevitable though.
a little ironic to have the Utah fan calling the Pitt fan arrogant regarding Pitt fans talking down on the Big 12 ;)
He asked for this 🤣
What if the B12 offered UNC, Duke, NC State, UVA, VT, Pitt as a package if every school came as a group? UNC Duke would stay together in the best basketball conference, something BY would love. WVU Pitt and VT football would be re-united. This much "brand" power would increase the value of the conference and also the tv contract. Just thinking out loud. Thoughts?
That would be fantastic, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in. I think everyone wants to be in the P2 club.
@@saturdayswarriorbyuI agree, but the only two in that list that are "likely" P2 candidates are UNC and UVA. What would their schedules look like in the B10 and SEC for basketball? What would they look like in the B12. They would both be irrelevant in football in B1G and SEC, but competitive in the B12, possibly even making the CFP. How much would the B12 money increase with those brands? Would the gap shrink? Again, I agree everyone wants P2, but if the money could be close, this would preserve the UNC/Duke rivalry, fix the UNC/NC State attached at the hip situation, UVA/VT would stay together, and make all season like March Madness. Long shot I know.
a) The BIG12 isn't the best basketball conference.
b) T-Road isn't staying together to just downgrade to the new BIG12, at least from their perspective.
I'm curious. What's the insensitive for Stanford and Cal to stay in a depleted ACC? Would it be better for them to create their own own conference then?
Cal, Stanford and SMU better off in a West Coast/Southwest Conference with OSU, WSU, Boise, Fresno, SDSU, Tulane, UNLV, CSU and AFA.
For awhile I really thought that BigTen would add Stanford if they could use that to bait Notre Dame in. I don't think that's ever happening now.
@davidcolmer5448 Do you really believe Stanford and Cal won't be I'm the Big 10 in the next 20 years?
@@lorenzohaynes3886 Why would they be? They have great academics but they are a mess otherwise. The BigTen already OWNS California with USC and UCLA. Why break up the piece of pie further? I think Stanford at least should just be independent an partner with Notre Dame... Maybe the same for CAL.
@@davidcolmer5448 I believed that untit was reported the Big 10 presidents wanted them, the networks didn't. That changes things a bit.
Wake is SOL.
Let me add BC to that
It's sad, but true.
WAKE and BC likely remain in a surviving Tier 2 ACC. No worse than any new BIG12 school.
This is imagination
Yes, we said as much at the top of the first video. It's all just speculation right now. Did you think we were breaking news?
A quick Google search would show you that the Big Ten already considered pitt in the last realignment and is expected to add them in the next also as a pit fan why would I want to go to the big 12 and play BYU and WVU over. Big 10 Ohio State Penn State or sec Alabama LSU Acc Clemson, Florida State, piit has a better program than almost every team in the big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma leaves. It would be a huge letdown as a fan there’s not one away game. I would want to go to imagine going from Miami and Florida to wherever BYU wvu let’s be realistic that’s a letdown.😂😂😂
I guess you'll be disappointed then. Just like Utah, there are a lot of bigger brands that bring more value higher in the B1G's list, and most are in the ACC. I don't blame Pitt fans for preferring the B1G over the B12, but they won't have much say in the matter. Keep in mind, Pitt was not one of the "Magnificent 7", which tells me they aren't so confident in getting in either.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu According to a report from Yahoo! Sports' Ross Dellenger, Pitt was included on a list of “attainable” programs that the Big Ten considered for potential expansion big 12 is a last resort conference for everyone if anything, big 12 teams like West Virginia who’s been begging to come to the ACC will move to the ACC. You guys play your conference championship tournament in Kansas for God sakes. If it happens, it happens, but people would not be happy
Good thing Pitt fans are used to being disappointed.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu we have the second most wins since joining the ACC only behind Clemson, 3 divisional titles a conference championship. A Heisman finalist multiple first round draft pick, Biletnikoff Award winner and the most players drafted out of the ACC all just in the 8 years we’ve been in the conference. That’s a lot more than a lot of teams can say.
Not sure that the Big XII wants Pitt with WVU so close regardless of rivalry. Not a good cultural fit - think they end up in the restructured ACC. They aren't value-added comparatively to other available schools. Agree on Louisville completely - first to jump to the Big XII. Let me shout it for the folks in overflow - Syracuse is not the New York market Yormark wants - it's an upstate island. Bad cultural fit - no value added and believe they end up in restructured ACC. Think it's 70/30 that Georgia Tech is in ACC v. Big XII. It's odd culturally, but would get the Big XII into Georgia which isn't all bad - maybe a reduced share school? Wake and BC are staying in a restructured ACC. The Big XII doesn't want BC... at all. Nobody watches sports in New England unless it's the Pats, Sox, or the Celtics aka pro sports and it's a bad cultural fit.
Good points. While cultural fits do have to be taken into consideration, i think the Big 12 will pursue the most value where it can be taken.