Nice to see some love on this MSI. A system like this is my current daily system. I don't recall the full stats at the minute, and I'm not at the computer to get them. Personally, I bought mine specifically because of the small form factor.
I noticed you are running a ton of Windows processes, more than 200, how come? I use the Chris Titus script to bring the default 130-140 processes of any new Windows installation down close to 70-80. It does wonders for performance in general. Nice little beast, worthy upgrades.
@@skulqerX Glad I helped. You can find the tutorial here on YT. You just run a command in PowerShell and it downloads and loads up. I’ve done this to at least 10 PCs by now and it makes them faster, snappier and you also get a little more performance in games 😎
I actually upgraded mine to something similar. I had the i7 10700F and RTX 2060 Super variant. I ended up maxing out the system. Now it’s running an i9 10900F, RTX 3060ti aero that had to be imported, 64GB DDR4, and 3TB total of flash storage. Runs amazing! These things are so underrated.
Bro.. Please what memory you used and did you have to change the Power supply? Thanks for the info. Also how hard was it to change the HD storage? I was told it is hard to get to.
The nice think about an i9 is it's going to be a higher binned processor and you'll get more Ghz out of it at a lower voltage. You could try disabling some of the cores, lowering the voltage and increasing the ghz to make it faster and more efficient.
my own personal computer/gaming PC (which I am watching this video on) is part of the MSI Trident line. it's been a workhorse for me after just a single extra SSD put in, and only now am I needing to put in a second two years later. came with a 3060, 16 GB of RAM which I might look into upgrading too.
I am looking for the same. I assume no 4090 can go into it yet? I do not use it for games I use mine for Stable Diffusion and was wondering what is the best to use.
I had the same pc. I am currently using a i7-10700F CPU and the PNY RTX 3060 for it. I upgraded the power brick too for it. I freaking love this thing.
Brother talk to me. I have the 11 gen... can you attach a link to the power brick? I want to go i9. I have everything else 11 gen with 3060Ti so That part I think I am good.
Yo, where did you get a 330w power brick for it? I bought one, but the sucker seems to constantly overheat, so I'm in the market for one that, you know, actually works lol
Agreed. Drives me nuts when people recommend turning v-sync off. Not only does it stress your CPU and make the cooler sound like a jet engine if you're using an air cooler, but tearing is far more annoying than input lag.
For me it really depends on the game. When I'm playing a game I'm really familiar with I notice it quite a bit. Like if I'm playing TF2 with vsync on it feels terrible/sluggish, but if I'm playing battelfield it's not too bad. I do generally cap my framerate, but not with vsync. I do agree that the absolute maximum fps usually isn't as important as good frame pacing. I would rather use freesync/gsync when possible though.
I have the same machine,10400f, pny 3060 but undervolted the gpu slightly just because. If you wanted more cpu power headroom you could tradeoff with a slight UV on your gpu, at least until the heatsink starts holding you back. I wasn't sure K sku cpus would be able to draw more power on this proprietary MB, good to know.
No way! I used a 10900k in an almost identical way this month, in a 5.1L ITX gaming system (with an RX6600 XT instead of a 3060). Rather than limiting the CPU wattage, I went a different route: disabling 4 cores in BIOS and undervolting by about 100mV. The result is a 6 core 12 thread CPU that runs at a solid 5.1ghz without overwhelming the Noctua L9i, or stressing the repurposed 400w Flex ATX server PSU. Perfect for gaming. I thought I was the only one crazy enough to misuse a 10900k like this, but it makes a lot of sense in its own weird way.
I went on the market to look for a MSI Trident 3 however they are pretty rare and overpriced on eBay considering the specs as most come with the 180 power supply (buying a 330w supply costs about £100) after some research I found that the latest Alienware X51 R3 has a 330w power supply as standard. It was Alienwares last true SFF gaming PC. I managed to bag one on eBay with the highest spec at the time (2016) i7-6700, 1060 6GB, 16GB ram & NVME for £250, it was great as is but now I put a RX6600 in there (using 2x6 pin to single 8 pin power adapter) it’s a pretty awesome console sized gaming PC that is perfect for the living room. Looking to add HoloISO soon too and make my own Steam Machine 😬👌
Oh wow! I got one of these a month ago! I bought one used actually with a 9th Gen Intel and then days later saw someone with a 11th Gen Intel version, but cheaper? and turned out he only had this a week so it was literally like new so I ended up selling one and having one that's pretty much brand new! I'm surprised you upgraded the CPU because mine is the I5-11400F and thatdoes 1440p perfect. It's never struggling or high percentage during gaming. My plan was to wait forsomething like a RTX 4050 down the line. I'm in no rush! I'd still like to keep down to a 230w power supply and work my way round it than upgrade and make it more hungry. I think it's amazing! Love the fact it's actually really light and smaller than a PS5! It's like having a console design for a PC and yet all the main stuff is fully upgradeable and it's super easy move around should I want take it into my living room and play on the big TV. MSI had something going on here, these should be far more popular.
My grandson has one of those that he bought as a bundle with a monitor it still has the I-5 but I upgraded to 16 gigs of RAM with a solid state drive and I found a 1660 TI and he is happy with it now it does everything he plays at 1080p on high
MSI Trident 3 + i9 10900K + 32GB DDR4 RAM + 12GB RTX 3060 mini-ITX = a decent 1440p high/medium PC I would also like to see the same setup but using ASRock 8GB RX 6600 XT mini-ITX [the only Mini-ITX RDNA 2 graphics card so far] instead with HoloISO installed. Sure, it's not as powerful as RTX 3060 one but it's still going to be a Steam Deck OS Machine that's almost on-par with Xbox Series S.
I have an MSI Trident 3 with a 2060 Super 8GB, an i7-10700 and 16GB of RAM. Handles F1 22 with medium settings medium raytracing at 1440p around 80-100fps. Similar performance in Forza Horizon 5 as well.
Always watch your videos being a fellow steam deck user, and love everything you put out. Question, where do you find your animated backgrounds they are ace?
Is there any reason you didn't try to go for an 11th gen cpu to make get some marginal performance gains or maybe similar performance with less power draw? I assume it might have been the motherboard not being compatible, even though that was highly unlikely.
I guess a 10th gen i9 has the highest core count available for the platform. I think 11th gen was notorious for getting hot too although 10th gen i9 did too. I'd probably opt for a 10700k.
Hey ETA, you should try to get „T” cpu variant for that Pc :) Did same thing with my i5-7400 Trident in the past, replaced CPU with 7400T - not much of performance loss but much cooler and quiet work
the 10900K is actually 125W, could've went with a 10800F or 10900F instead since both of those are just 65W and are still a huge improvement over the 10400F
There is a case for creating a device that could house 4090 and decent cpu with adjustable wattage for traveling. Lower for plane sockets, full for hotels, airbnbs. The use case would be to stream to 1) handheld like Razer Edge 2) VR like Oculus 2 or 3 3) XR glasses like Virtue One. Basically it would be something between laptops and desktops with reasonable weight and portability.
Love my trident 3, this video inspired me to give it a try. If anyone else is looking into them I would suggest the zotac 4060 solo. It runs at 115 watts and fits perfectly. That's what I am currently running and it works great.
Just two things: "does" should be "CPUs" (in the description); please include prices with the parts listed (which also helps you from users not having to leave watching your videos)
That i9 CPU upgrade seem a little over the top for the purpose of the built? i5 to i7 maybe the most increase you'll get in gamings for this specific setup. Going from i7 to i9 will be deminishing returns. Unless if you plan on using it for some productivity or VM purposes.
I was considering getting this small form factor gaming pc back in 2019 since it had the Intel i9-9900k with a 2080 ti. I changed my mind since I needed a bigger pc to fit all the specific high end components that I wanted to have in my gaming pc. I needed space for a 5.25 inch optical drive bay that I still use to this day for playing 4k, blu ray, dvd discs, compact discs and for also ripping my physical media with only iso formats since I still buy 4k uhd discs, blu ray, dvd and cds for my 4k hdr movie and native 4k gaming 24 bit 96khz hi res audio multimedia pc. If silicon lottery was still around, I would buy there binned cpus instead of the cpus from best buy and new egg but silicon lottery website closed awhile ago.
The old processor was more than enough for gaming needs, I can give examples where the i5 can show higher performance at the same power. Power management needs to be configured in the BIOS. What's the point of spending more money and wasting time tuning a new processor that won't perform at full capacity anyway? It's called - "Look, I have a lot of time and money, and I don't know what to do with it"
This gpu is limited by the cpu way too much , gpu usage is between 60-80% all the time. I think the 'k' CPUs are designed for high power usage and don't perform good when limited. I bet , You will get the same gaming performance with 10400f. but the i9 is good for other workloads.
a "power limited" 10900k should still outpace the 10400f. its kinda hard to surpass identical ipc with lower clock speeds when the 10400 could only hit 4.3 boost =X
Love these kinds of “console” form factor machines. Still have an Alienware x51 that I got 10 years ago with an Ivy Bridge i7 and a GTX 1060 (6 GB), which is surprisingly still a beast of an ancient machine. Thinking about trying to “hot rod” it out a bit more, though it’s about as perfect for 1080p gaming as I’d ever need.
Warning to everyone!!! Don't buy one of these. I had one of these for only a year before the motherboard died, right outside of warranty. One of the chips was determined to be a ticking time bomb and the issue was so widespread there were people trying to start a class action but I don't think it gained any traction. MSI didn't make the computer anymore so they had no replacement boards and because of the form factor the motherboard was proprietary. To add onto this MSI doesn't do board level work. This means I couldn't even pay MSI to replace or fix the motherboard and I also couldn't just buy a standard one off the shelf. In the end I had to get a new PC. Avoid my nightmare. If you're going to drop a lot of money on a SFF PC build it yourself so you can easily replace the parts or at the very least don't buy one from MSI.
You said the 10400F was great for 1080p gaming but you wanted something more. Well the higher the res the easier it is on the CPU and more stressful on the GPU.
The money they charge for these mini pc's you could build an actual pc that has better specs for much cheaper. I guess some people just like their pc to look like a console. Seems like a really bad idea upgrading the cpu and not having a power supply that can completely handle it as well.
For the love of… can you PLEASE test MULTIPLE RESOLUTIONS??? IE, what does it run 4K at? Can 1080 reach 120fps or would I need to output at 720 for that? Actual TELEVISION resolutions These are supposed to be consoles… which mean obviously they’re going to be compared to the PS5/Series-X… so wouldn’t it be nice to actually use the highest resolution those output at??? We don’t need more than 60 frames per second unless you’re monitors running at 120hz or higher than 60 to begin with, and this product is going to get hooked up to a living room TV with likely a 60 hertz refresh rate… …so just TEST IT IN 4K. Some of us have 4K60 screens… some have 120 or 240 hertz… some only have 1080p, while others are somewhere in the middle… But I have NEVER SEEN A 1440p TV… and this is a console that’s obviously going to be hooked up to a TV…so can you please TREAT THESE LIKE CONSOLES and test them at actual television resolutions? 720p, 1080p, 4K, etc. Nothing would prevent you from also testing 1440, but testing ONLY 1440 on a device that’s marketed to end up on a 1080 or 4K display is all but POINTLESS.
so you've got a desktop 10900k and a desktop 3060? and you only get 18k in firestrike? My Legion 5 laptop with Ryzen 7 5800h and laptop 3070 gets 28822 graphics, 24801 physics and a combined score of 12437 for a total score of 24931
Heh, just reviewed one these myself, an older 9th gen Intel version with a much, much older GPU. Form factor is great. I'll be looking to upgrade mine to make it capable of modern games
@@bustergundo516 $320 Australian Dollars which is about $215 USD according to google. It's a second hand unit which has had the original GPU swapped out to something much older
A lot of your benchmarks were sitting at 50-80% GPU usage, any reason? (I understand a steady 60 is the goal for some of these titles, but I'm not talking about those)
With 247W being the maximum (at the wall), any reason not to remove the power limits and see what it gets to? My feeling is that you might be leaving some “free” performance on the table here. Combine with an undervolt, and you might find you have it stable+fast
I'm pretty sure you would've gotten better performance with a 10700K/KF, even having to limit the TDP, just because of having more room for single core performance. I love the form factor, I think this size and distribution of components should be the future for gaming PCs. However, this one in particular is a barebone PC with a proprietary motherboard design, impeding a full upgrade, that alone kills it for me. I'm pretty sure you can get to a similar size with an ITX board, the only issue would be making the PSU external. Thin-ITX should be ideal, but unfortunately it didn't take off as a form factor.
I hope this never becomes the future for gaming pc's, glorified proprietary laptops with no monitor does not sound like my idea of a good gaming pc time.
I was trying to see if I could an alternative gpu but I'm not sure what is compatible. Not much info out there about the trident. Also you mentioned about the 6 pin and I saw that it has a 8 pin connector on it. Are you able to use a 6 pin on and 8 pin gpu?
I just had an MSI trident 3 and honestly it was not very good... Mine was a i5 12400 and 3060 and it ran at 90°c almost constantly.. case has very little airflow and in order to get adequate cooling, you have to run the fans at 100% and it sounds like a jet engine at your desk. My decibel meter was reading 60 at about 3-5 feet away. Not worth it at all. If MSI wants to keep stuffing better and better components in a case designed from 2016 they need to figure out airflow badly.
I have the i5/3060 version and love it. Upgraded to 32gb ram. Runs games 1080p to 1440p great.
Been 2 years ago.. i remember watch that video like was yesterday.. time flys
Bro this comment is depressing. THAT was 2 years ago. MAN
This is a reupload?
@@zaidlacksalastname4905 He meant that the first video ETA made about this PC was 2 years ago
How is he using a 8 pin card on that 6 pin board?
Nice to see some love on this MSI. A system like this is my current daily system. I don't recall the full stats at the minute, and I'm not at the computer to get them. Personally, I bought mine specifically because of the small form factor.
I noticed you are running a ton of Windows processes, more than 200, how come? I use the Chris Titus script to bring the default 130-140 processes of any new Windows installation down close to 70-80. It does wonders for performance in general. Nice little beast, worthy upgrades.
Wow . Thanks for the info
@@skulqerX Glad I helped. You can find the tutorial here on YT. You just run a command in PowerShell and it downloads and loads up. I’ve done this to at least 10 PCs by now and it makes them faster, snappier and you also get a little more performance in games 😎
Thank you for sharing!
I actually upgraded mine to something similar. I had the i7 10700F and RTX 2060 Super variant.
I ended up maxing out the system. Now it’s running an i9 10900F, RTX 3060ti aero that had to be imported, 64GB DDR4, and 3TB total of flash storage. Runs amazing!
These things are so underrated.
Bro.. Please what memory you used and did you have to change the Power supply? Thanks for the info. Also how hard was it to change the HD storage? I was told it is hard to get to.
The nice think about an i9 is it's going to be a higher binned processor and you'll get more Ghz out of it at a lower voltage. You could try disabling some of the cores, lowering the voltage and increasing the ghz to make it faster and more efficient.
my own personal computer/gaming PC (which I am watching this video on) is part of the MSI Trident line. it's been a workhorse for me after just a single extra SSD put in, and only now am I needing to put in a second two years later. came with a 3060, 16 GB of RAM which I might look into upgrading too.
I am looking for the same. I assume no 4090 can go into it yet? I do not use it for games I use mine for Stable Diffusion and was wondering what is the best to use.
I've had it for 6 years now.
Best purchase ever.
Yeah these tridents are pretty awesome
i have the Artic Edition. i changed the GPU from a gtx 1070 to a RTX 3060 PNY. i love this mini pc 🔥🔥🔥
That little compact machine looks amazing 😍
I had the same pc. I am currently using a i7-10700F CPU and the PNY RTX 3060 for it. I upgraded the power brick too for it. I freaking love this thing.
Brother talk to me. I have the 11 gen... can you attach a link to the power brick? I want to go i9. I have everything else 11 gen with 3060Ti so That part I think I am good.
How much did those parts cost you
@@JordanAnderson-pp5hu Which one brother?
Yo, where did you get a 330w power brick for it? I bought one, but the sucker seems to constantly overheat, so I'm in the market for one that, you know, actually works lol
Why is everyone saying 1440? I get 4k on mine. Out of the box. 11Gen i7
You should run the front end RetroBat in Windows for your emulation.
Of course this guy ETA prime doesn't listen
The input latency that v sync adds is so minimal you should always have it on in my opinion. I hate tearing
Agreed. Drives me nuts when people recommend turning v-sync off. Not only does it stress your CPU and make the cooler sound like a jet engine if you're using an air cooler, but tearing is far more annoying than input lag.
I totally agree. I FAR prefer a locked framerate at 75Hz using G-SYNC compatibility over anything else.
@@IgnusFast gsync is not vsync. Gsync has less input lag.
For me it really depends on the game. When I'm playing a game I'm really familiar with I notice it quite a bit. Like if I'm playing TF2 with vsync on it feels terrible/sluggish, but if I'm playing battelfield it's not too bad. I do generally cap my framerate, but not with vsync. I do agree that the absolute maximum fps usually isn't as important as good frame pacing. I would rather use freesync/gsync when possible though.
With g sync and freesync is Vsync ever necessary? Legitimately wondering
I have the same machine,10400f, pny 3060 but undervolted the gpu slightly just because. If you wanted more cpu power headroom you could tradeoff with a slight UV on your gpu, at least until the heatsink starts holding you back. I wasn't sure K sku cpus would be able to draw more power on this proprietary MB, good to know.
The 3060 is what the NUC11PHKi7C should have come with. I think they avoided this because the NUC12SNKi72 would have been impossible to sell.
No way! I used a 10900k in an almost identical way this month, in a 5.1L ITX gaming system (with an RX6600 XT instead of a 3060). Rather than limiting the CPU wattage, I went a different route: disabling 4 cores in BIOS and undervolting by about 100mV. The result is a 6 core 12 thread CPU that runs at a solid 5.1ghz without overwhelming the Noctua L9i, or stressing the repurposed 400w Flex ATX server PSU. Perfect for gaming.
I thought I was the only one crazy enough to misuse a 10900k like this, but it makes a lot of sense in its own weird way.
I went on the market to look for a MSI Trident 3 however they are pretty rare and overpriced on eBay considering the specs as most come with the 180 power supply (buying a 330w supply costs about £100) after some research I found that the latest Alienware X51 R3 has a 330w power supply as standard.
It was Alienwares last true SFF gaming PC. I managed to bag one on eBay with the highest spec at the time (2016) i7-6700, 1060 6GB, 16GB ram & NVME for £250, it was great as is but now I put a RX6600 in there (using 2x6 pin to single 8 pin power adapter) it’s a pretty awesome console sized gaming PC that is perfect for the living room.
Looking to add HoloISO soon too and make my own Steam Machine 😬👌
This is a certified ETA Prime classic!
Oh wow! I got one of these a month ago! I bought one used actually with a 9th Gen Intel and then days later saw someone with a 11th Gen Intel version, but cheaper? and turned out he only had this a week so it was literally like new so I ended up selling one and having one that's pretty much brand new!
I'm surprised you upgraded the CPU because mine is the I5-11400F and thatdoes 1440p perfect. It's never struggling or high percentage during gaming. My plan was to wait forsomething like a RTX 4050 down the line. I'm in no rush! I'd still like to keep down to a 230w power supply and work my way round it than upgrade and make it more hungry.
I think it's amazing! Love the fact it's actually really light and smaller than a PS5! It's like having a console design for a PC and yet all the main stuff is fully upgradeable and it's super easy move around should I want take it into my living room and play on the big TV. MSI had something going on here, these should be far more popular.
My grandson has one of those that he bought as a bundle with a monitor it still has the I-5 but I upgraded to 16 gigs of RAM with a solid state drive and I found a 1660 TI and he is happy with it now it does everything he plays at 1080p on high
MSI Trident 3 + i9 10900K + 32GB DDR4 RAM + 12GB RTX 3060 mini-ITX = a decent 1440p high/medium PC
I would also like to see the same setup but using ASRock 8GB RX 6600 XT mini-ITX [the only Mini-ITX RDNA 2 graphics card so far] instead with HoloISO installed. Sure, it's not as powerful as RTX 3060 one but it's still going to be a Steam Deck OS Machine that's almost on-par with Xbox Series S.
I have an MSI Trident 3 with a 2060 Super 8GB, an i7-10700 and 16GB of RAM. Handles F1 22 with medium settings medium raytracing at 1440p around 80-100fps. Similar performance in Forza Horizon 5 as well.
this thing is still my main computer. love this thing.
Always watch your videos being a fellow steam deck user, and love everything you put out. Question, where do you find your animated backgrounds they are ace?
Is there any reason you didn't try to go for an 11th gen cpu to make get some marginal performance gains or maybe similar performance with less power draw? I assume it might have been the motherboard not being compatible, even though that was highly unlikely.
I guess a 10th gen i9 has the highest core count available for the platform. I think 11th gen was notorious for getting hot too although 10th gen i9 did too. I'd probably opt for a 10700k.
Hey ETA, you should try to get „T” cpu variant for that Pc :)
Did same thing with my i5-7400 Trident in the past, replaced CPU with 7400T - not much of performance loss but much cooler and quiet work
the 10900K is actually 125W, could've went with a 10800F or 10900F instead since both of those are just 65W and are still a huge improvement over the 10400F
There is a case for creating a device that could house 4090 and decent cpu with adjustable wattage for traveling. Lower for plane sockets, full for hotels, airbnbs. The use case would be to stream to 1) handheld like Razer Edge 2) VR like Oculus 2 or 3 3) XR glasses like Virtue One. Basically it would be something between laptops and desktops with reasonable weight and portability.
link?
I have its big brother with the 10700K, 32GB RAM, and 3080.
How does it work? Better than ps5?
Love my trident 3, this video inspired me to give it a try. If anyone else is looking into them I would suggest the zotac 4060 solo. It runs at 115 watts and fits perfectly. That's what I am currently running and it works great.
thinking of doing the same, dobyou need an adapter 6 pin to 8 pin for the gpu?
Just two things: "does" should be "CPUs" (in the description); please include prices with the parts listed (which also helps you from users not having to leave watching your videos)
Would it possible to run two of those power supplies in parallel.
This reminds me of the Azza case I wanted to use years ago. I kinda wish I had actually picked that up, might've used it in 2023 lol
TBH I want to build myself mini ITX like this, but I cannot found case that sized like Console, specially on my country.
That i9 CPU upgrade seem a little over the top for the purpose of the built? i5 to i7 maybe the most increase you'll get in gamings for this specific setup. Going from i7 to i9 will be deminishing returns. Unless if you plan on using it for some productivity or VM purposes.
Intro music sounds like Oxenfree music, really cool
It kinda reminds me of an answering machine or tape recorder when laying horizontally. 😂
I was considering getting this small form factor gaming pc back in 2019 since it had the Intel i9-9900k with a 2080 ti. I changed my mind since I needed a bigger pc to fit all the specific high end components that I wanted to have in my gaming pc. I needed space for a 5.25 inch optical drive bay that I still use to this day for playing 4k, blu ray, dvd discs, compact discs and for also ripping my physical media with only iso formats since I still buy 4k uhd discs, blu ray, dvd and cds for my 4k hdr movie and native 4k gaming 24 bit 96khz hi res audio multimedia pc. If silicon lottery was still around, I would buy there binned cpus instead of the cpus from best buy and new egg but silicon lottery website closed awhile ago.
Sounds good to me. I'll have to check this out.
I would use Xenia canary build you will notice smoother gameplay with Red dead redemption 👍
I have i7 3060 hooked up to my TV like a console!
Hey ETA, great video. Can you talk about the AVX-512 and how can improve the performance for emulators?😊
The old processor was more than enough for gaming needs, I can give examples where the i5 can show higher performance at the same power. Power management needs to be configured in the BIOS. What's the point of spending more money and wasting time tuning a new processor that won't perform at full capacity anyway? It's called - "Look, I have a lot of time and money, and I don't know what to do with it"
Would love to grab one of these!
10900K? That's like prehistoric
What is that for a backgound on your desktop? Can you ppoint me to the software?
I am here in the comments for this exact reason.
The i9 10900k TDP is 125 watts
This gpu is limited by the cpu way too much , gpu usage is between 60-80% all the time. I think the 'k' CPUs are designed for high power usage and don't perform good when limited. I bet , You will get the same gaming performance with 10400f. but the i9 is good for other workloads.
a "power limited" 10900k should still outpace the 10400f. its kinda hard to surpass identical ipc with lower clock speeds when the 10400 could only hit 4.3 boost =X
You should be testing games like Cyberpunk Spiderman and MWll in 4k for all the mini pc videos you post on RUclips even if the performance isn't good.
Agreed
You review the greatest stuff i only wish i could get my hands on thank you for the kownlage
I got a older one with a 2060 and i7, thinking about upgrading to a 3069
I bet that external power supply is really hot under full load.
Why not get the non K variant? You don't need to worry about the excessive heat and power draw here.
Interesting
Looks like a console
You could reduce slightly the CPU core voltage to keep the temperature down as well, couldn’t?
That i9 is barely being used at all. I think the highest utilization I saw was in the teens.
That live wallpaper!!! Link, please! Its awesome
It was Entertaining.
Always loved trident series, but not its cost in my country
$200 got me a folding docking station $26 samsung a32 $109 8bitdo gamepad $28, cables and case and Xbox game pass ultimate $30
Love these kinds of “console” form factor machines. Still have an Alienware x51 that I got 10 years ago with an Ivy Bridge i7 and a GTX 1060 (6 GB), which is surprisingly still a beast of an ancient machine. Thinking about trying to “hot rod” it out a bit more, though it’s about as perfect for 1080p gaming as I’d ever need.
You are probably limited by the motherboard too
A 10900k scales with frequency in core clock and ram along with timings
Warning to everyone!!! Don't buy one of these. I had one of these for only a year before the motherboard died, right outside of warranty. One of the chips was determined to be a ticking time bomb and the issue was so widespread there were people trying to start a class action but I don't think it gained any traction. MSI didn't make the computer anymore so they had no replacement boards and because of the form factor the motherboard was proprietary. To add onto this MSI doesn't do board level work. This means I couldn't even pay MSI to replace or fix the motherboard and I also couldn't just buy a standard one off the shelf. In the end I had to get a new PC. Avoid my nightmare. If you're going to drop a lot of money on a SFF PC build it yourself so you can easily replace the parts or at the very least don't buy one from MSI.
I got here early today
You said the 10400F was great for 1080p gaming but you wanted something more. Well the higher the res the easier it is on the CPU and more stressful on the GPU.
Hi Sir, can you post the link for the Power Supply? Thank you.
It should be fine at full capabilities but overclock is definitely out. Maybe uv the CPU though.
The money they charge for these mini pc's you could build an actual pc that has better specs for much cheaper. I guess some people just like their pc to look like a console. Seems like a really bad idea upgrading the cpu and not having a power supply that can completely handle it as well.
For the love of… can you PLEASE test MULTIPLE RESOLUTIONS???
IE, what does it run 4K at? Can 1080 reach 120fps or would I need to output at 720 for that? Actual TELEVISION resolutions
These are supposed to be consoles… which mean obviously they’re going to be compared to the PS5/Series-X… so wouldn’t it be nice to actually use the highest resolution those output at???
We don’t need more than 60 frames per second unless you’re monitors running at 120hz or higher than 60 to begin with, and this product is going to get hooked up to a living room TV with likely a 60 hertz refresh rate…
…so just TEST IT IN 4K.
Some of us have 4K60 screens… some have 120 or 240 hertz… some only have 1080p, while others are somewhere in the middle…
But I have NEVER SEEN A 1440p TV… and this is a console that’s obviously going to be hooked up to a TV…so can you please TREAT THESE LIKE CONSOLES and test them at actual television resolutions? 720p, 1080p, 4K, etc.
Nothing would prevent you from also testing 1440, but testing ONLY 1440 on a device that’s marketed to end up on a 1080 or 4K display is all but POINTLESS.
so you've got a desktop 10900k and a desktop 3060? and you only get 18k in firestrike? My Legion 5 laptop with Ryzen 7 5800h and laptop 3070 gets 28822 graphics, 24801 physics and a combined score of 12437 for a total score of 24931
Heh, just reviewed one these myself, an older 9th gen Intel version with a much, much older GPU.
Form factor is great. I'll be looking to upgrade mine to make it capable of modern games
How much did you get yours for?
@@bustergundo516 $320 Australian Dollars which is about $215 USD according to google. It's a second hand unit which has had the original GPU swapped out to something much older
I have the same pc. Question! Can I add just the Aero ITX RTX 3060 to MSI without updating the CPU or power supply and get similar results?
Since you have so many of these SFF pc’s, would you consider selling this one?
A lot of your benchmarks were sitting at 50-80% GPU usage, any reason? (I understand a steady 60 is the goal for some of these titles, but I'm not talking about those)
Hey ETA, in your intro i noticed you got a 2ds hehe. any reason?
That's about a Grand... Nah I'm not a technical person at all.. I just want a plug n done unit.... Not really the tinkering type.. no time
With 247W being the maximum (at the wall), any reason not to remove the power limits and see what it gets to? My feeling is that you might be leaving some “free” performance on the table here. Combine with an undervolt, and you might find you have it stable+fast
Please give the wallpaper of your pc where u got that
Xbox 720
😂
I'm getting this
The total is about $460-600 and that's discouraging me
i have this one but it’s a gtx 1650 super with intel i5 core
I want this so bad
Wanna see it with HoloISO
what is that wallpaper?
let me know if u find out !?
I found out it's CYBERPUNK T37
@@9786paolo thanks dude
still wondering how to get those animated wallpapers
Possible dumb Question.
Would using a I9 10900T in this instead of K be easier? Or is that basically just the equivalent of an i5 10400
Bro can you upgrade to a mini 4060/70 for an update video? Or is it incompatible
i believe theres a 500w psu for these
I'm pretty sure you would've gotten better performance with a 10700K/KF, even having to limit the TDP, just because of having more room for single core performance.
I love the form factor, I think this size and distribution of components should be the future for gaming PCs. However, this one in particular is a barebone PC with a proprietary motherboard design, impeding a full upgrade, that alone kills it for me. I'm pretty sure you can get to a similar size with an ITX board, the only issue would be making the PSU external. Thin-ITX should be ideal, but unfortunately it didn't take off as a form factor.
I hope this never becomes the future for gaming pc's, glorified proprietary laptops with no monitor does not sound like my idea of a good gaming pc time.
@@Vicorcivius Agree, though compared to laptops it has the advantage of allowing CPU and GPU upgrades, it still has a proprietary base.
The case has a bad ventilation on it..?
I want a case like that to put together a pfsense router . Any options that you may know about?
Day 5 on waiting for you to try the intel arc a750 though thunder volt
Do you still have your google sheet to compare the different mini pc's?
I was trying to see if I could an alternative gpu but I'm not sure what is compatible. Not much info out there about the trident. Also you mentioned about the 6 pin and I saw that it has a 8 pin connector on it. Are you able to use a 6 pin on and 8 pin gpu?
TYPO Powered by an i9 10900k with 10 *CORES* -does- and 20 threads
So this still holds then eh? Hmmmm.
im still using a i5-4690K with a gtx780 lol well behind
I just had an MSI trident 3 and honestly it was not very good... Mine was a i5 12400 and 3060 and it ran at 90°c almost constantly.. case has very little airflow and in order to get adequate cooling, you have to run the fans at 100% and it sounds like a jet engine at your desk. My decibel meter was reading 60 at about 3-5 feet away. Not worth it at all. If MSI wants to keep stuffing better and better components in a case designed from 2016 they need to figure out airflow badly.
Whats with the wallpaper i want one ?