31:20 you can "gen 1 miss" the critical hit on slash, allowing you to not get the crit. The slash against magneton did not crit and therefore the +6 Atk boosts were applied, allowing you to get the KO on Magneton :P. This is a 1/256 chance.
I noticed that, but didn't know there was a CRIT equivalent to the gen 1 miss, so that's me learning something new about gen 1 today, which doesn't happen very often any more!
@@bigpoggers6507 Indeed. Gen 1 is so broken that: 1. You can get guaranteed critical hits very easily. 2. They are not actually gauranteed, but for a 1/256 chance. 3. It is easily possible for a crit to deal less damage than a normal hit. Awesome gen 1 mechanics in a nutshell.
Scyther would easily win in gen 2. I always grab one and with wing attack, fury cutter, swords dance, slash/quick attack, you can mow through the whole pokemon league.
@@grammysworld5449 More like he chose to use a bad move that was weaker than Pinser's starting move rather than more powerful moves which made him waste a lot of extra time that would never be made up. He had Rest which meant the recoil damage from Take Down or Double Edge wouldn't matter. So a moveset of either of those two, with rest, Wing Attack for Bruno which would be the ONLY time in the Elite 4 that it would be stronger than Double Edge and would be usable against Agatha's ghost type along with Swords Dance would have been better than trying to spam a move that after STAB bonus was STILL weaker than Pinser's starting move. I don't expect perfection, but actual consideration to the moves being used would be nice. Since he all but stopped using Slash because he didn't want to lose the Swords Dance bonus should have been an indication that the move did not fit his strategy any longer and should have been replaced with something he could use instead.
I like your newer style of comparing 2 pokemon against each other, something a little different from other channels. Can't wait for the next one, any hints?
By the end of the run, I was thinking Hyper Beam could have helped Scyther a lot In Generation 1 it doesn't require a recharge turn if it knocks out the opponent, combined with Swords Dance and that can be a really powerful alternative to the always critting Slash But I realize two issues: 1. Hyper Beam only has 5 PP, and that may not be enough for some battles, plus I don't know how many Ether/Elixirs are easy to get through the run 2. The more problematic issue, Hyper Beam can only be obtained by paying coins at the game corner, sure you can buy coins, but that would take a lot of time so unfortunately I don't think it's worth it for a fast run, but I think it's a good strategy otherwise
Yes. In Gen 1, Psychic was OP thanks to them having effectively no Weaknesses. And, Bug type offensively sucked so badly. They did not get a Bug Move back then. And, most of the Bug Moves went to Weak Bug types.
Really liking these race comparison videos, shows the strengths and flaws of Pokemon in a whole new way. Would love to see a race between Vileplume and Bellossom in Gen 2 some day.
Wonderful to see Bug types get so much love and attention on your channel. This was an interesting and entertaining spin on your solo challenges and I particularly love how you dedicated segments to the exploding Geodude Hiker (9:04 + 10:46).
Really like this vs format. Ever since other youtubers confirmed in their challenge videos that you can beat these games with a magikarp or a weedle I've stopped finding the "Can I beat Pokemon with ___" type videos interesting, cos the answer will always be yes. I was fully expecting Scyther to nail this one, really jumped up a notch at the Elite Four.
Loved the video, and it is a really cool idea! One thing I noticed though, since you have such high attack power, and swords dance, you could have taught hyper beam, and it would be an instant win for either, because in gen 1, if you get a KO, there isn't any cool down with it, so Blaine wouldn't be an issue.
These race runs are a really cool idea! It’s be a lot of fun to do this with other Pokémon that match. Nidoking vs Nidoqueen, Zangoose vs Seviper, or all 3 starters in a generation could all be very fun!
It'll be omanyte/omastar. Both have bad speed compared to the top tier and oma's special is almost 50 better than kabuto/ps. Plus badge boost with withdraw horn attack vs absorb till lvl 35 or celadon TM's
Have you seen JRose 11's 'minimum battles' run in Pokémon Yellow? He chooses to use Scyther over Pinsir in it, mainly because of the faster level up group. Interesting to see the type of challenge really changes which Pokémon is more useful than the other. Anyway, these challenge races are awesome! Thanks!
I remember being so confused when I realized that gen 1 crits can sometimes deal LESS damage and of course the 1/256. But I didn't know about badge boost back then either... ah those were simpler times.
I'm hoping Pinsir wins! With any luck, the lower crit chance he has will allow Swords Dance to really shine. That, and twelve year old me wants to know that my Pinsir is better than my brother's stupid Scyther. Just my luck that my brother gets the version with a Pokemon based on my favorite bug, and I got a terrifying whatever the hell that is...
That was so fun! Thank you Scott! I found this kind of challenge really fun! I'd like to propose a dual challenge between Lapras and Jynx, maybe,... But sure I would enjoy any challenge you do! Thanks a lot, bye, have a good week!
Very interesting to see. I'll admit that I spent most of the time hoping Scyther would win as I prefer him and Scizor over the other bug pokemon, but the results make sense in retrospec. I'll still stand in my corner and stand by all the tactical advantages I believe Scyther has over Pinser, but all of that is more for later generations and on a full team where there are other pokemon to cover your weaknesses (so that you don't have say that 4x weakness to rock risking a one-hit blackout)
Great vs video Scott, heres a few others that could pair up fairly well for future ideas: Koffing vs Grimer (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve) Psyduck vs Slowpoke (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve) Magnemite vs voltorb (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve) Mr Mime vs Jynx Kangaskan vs Tauros Keep up the great work!
Hey dude, you inspired me to do a sandshrew only run in leaf green without items. Just finished it today! Really fun run, though I'm not sure it's possible in RBY, I had to use rock slide and aerial ace to even stand a chance against the E4 and even then. Would be cool to see you try this. The learnset and t/m learnsets seem pretty barebones in rby ;) Keep it up! UPDATE: After researching a bit, I retract that statement, my rival had an exegcutor with giga drain which I couldn't beat in time w/o aerial ace. The rby counterparts don't have giga drain so they are less of a threat. It's certainly possible in rby ;)
Just recently discovered your channel, I'm always really happy to see more people doing pokemon challenge runs! I especially like this race type video, because it helps you stand out from all the other channels and gives you a more solid identity in your content. I'm not a youtuber or anything, but I thought I'd give you my two cents :p Hope to see more from you!
I agree with you. It's a nice variant too because it's quite clear that the game can be beat with almost every Pokemon. (Magikarp, Caterpie can't for instance).
@@bidoof9167 Well I've seen people heavily preferring Heracross over it and not caring much about Pinsir just because it doesn't get STAB on fighting moves.
@@actofcawd209Well, it's more than just not having STAB on fighting moves. Pinsir also doesn't have megahorn. X-Scizzor is its best alternative, but the extra 50% damage probably more than makes up for the 15% miss chance, and a bit worse than that in gen 2/3 where it was relying on Hidden Power for a decent bug type STAB.
Damn this is a really early premiere lol, anyways I'm excited for this one I've been basically binging the videos that you've put up over the last like day or two and I've really fallen in love with the way you present your runs and go about everything so I'm really excited to see how this goes I really love the starmie and cloister race
Loving these races!! If you wanna step into Gen 2 for these, wanna do Tauros vs Miltank? My bet's on the Moo Boo :) That or more bug babie runs. You and FJ are why they're one of my fav types now
wow this guy is great at the game. he really has a good thought process around the game and he puts together really intelligently done videos. the data and the methodology and stuff is rigorous and we trust his results.
I love how in gen 2, only 1 of these awesome pokemon got any love. Then in gen 4, Pinsir was once again passed over for a new evolution, only finally getting some love with its eventual mega evolution
30:50 The reason the 2nd hit usually seems to deal more damage: - If you high-rolled your first hit, the pokemon went down, no potion was used and you don't remember the event. - If you low-rolled your first hit, the pokemon survives, a potion is used and you get another roll. Since you are comparing to your recent low-roll, the chance you deal more damage this time is high. It's simple logic really.
@Rodent's Revenge as far as I know the rng rolls a multiplier between 0.85 and 1 inclusive, based on a 1/16 roll. So all multipliers 0.85, 0.86, 0.87 .. 0.99, 1.0 are equally likely. The rounding can sometimes cause an extra value to be possible in the range of outcomes, depending on the stat boosts
Hi Scott just got done with the video and Pinsir gang won. If I may recommend a challenge for you next time would be is the race of the three starters, Wheezing vs Arbok, Electabuzz vs magmar, and Victorbell, Vileplume.
Time for round 2, scizor vs pinsir in pokemon fire red or heart gold/ soul siver if your fancy. But in all seriousness thank you for posting such a fun video. Like most people I had red in gen 1 so I don't actually think I ever used a pinsir.
When I was a kid I found pinsir to be a very intimidating but very cool mon. It was quite strong too, I always wanted to have one but for whatever reason never got my hands on it as a kid.
Pinsir was my favorite gen 1 bug type, ashame it couldn't get a stab move to utilize back then. I like these vs. type runs. I'd like to see magneton vs. electrode in the future if that is alright? My 2 favorite electric type pokemon.
Against Giovanni you should have used Swordsdance after mimicking Earthquake from Dugtrio. Would have raised all your stats, including your attack. Yes, the raise wouldn't do much for your Slash, since Slash always crits, but it would have boosted your copied Earthquake, making sure that you will one-shot all the other pokemon that are weak against it. Wouldn't have made much of a difference in terms of the time, however it would make it more consistent.
Of course I stuck around! I was rooting for mah boy Pinsir! But I was surprised to see Scyther struggle this much, but yeah his movepool sucked in the earlier generations, poor guy needed some good stab moves like U-Turn hah! And I always will say that Aerodactyl is the true final boss! Quality stuff though man, you've become one of my faves to watch doing this stuff! Keep it up! Hoping to see Electabuzz vs Magmar as well! :D
This is another example of how Gen 4 and 5 is really when the game became good (for bug type users). Scyther wasn’t “that great” until then. By the time GEN 4 and 5 came out they had improved the bug and flying types significantly. Jolly Scyther with technician ability, Arial Ace, Bug Bite, (and then two legal moves that works for whatever you’re trying to go for or) if you’re on an emulator just give him storm throw (5th gen only, sadly. Maybe double kick if you’re playing 4th Gen) and bonemerang. Those are great type coverage for his weaknesses and work well with technician. They also help against anybody with the sturdy ability. His hold item should obviously be an eviolite, but if your worried about bonemerange’s accuracy you could give him a wide lens instead. He’s also another example of the vast list of Pokémon who would benefit from the huge power ability, but technician is such a good ability it’s almost not worth changing. MoldBreaker on the right Pokémon is dangerous. Pinsir’s usefulness when fighting rock types with only having a 2x weakness as opposed to 4x is nice. Give him earthquake and everyone with levitate is screwed. As long as pinsir has rock slide he’ll be safe from the rest of his weaknesses.
Follow up video idea: Pinsir, Scizor, and Heracross in a 3 way battle through either FRLG or GSC Since I think they've all been hyped up as enemies/rivals
Love these racing challenges Scott! To see the opposite end of the spectrum, what about a speed race between Magneton and Electrode Gen 1? Which is more brutal? Magnemite/Magneton all time fav of mine. Keep up great work!
As silly as that seems, I wonder whether teaching Scyther Cut after Agatha would've been a good move. It's 50 attack, 15 more than Gen 1 Wing Attack 35, and does not get increased crit chance either Either way, thank you for the video, this was a good watch :)
@@DonYagamoth no worries champ, i know it must've seemed like torture at the time but that 100% Mana speedrun you did has been one of my most watched yt playlists ever, 100% runs of any game are enormously relaxing and helpful to get to sleep so thank you ❤
I'm tipping pinsir with this one. Has relatively easy access to submission eliminating one major drawback with its moveset and as sole bug type actually has fewer weaknesses then scyther
Just watched this and wanted to test out a strat with Scyther using Swords Dance and an attacking move (Wing Attack is what I used). It does require a little luck and I used Double Team a little to help, but two tries starting at level 57 I was able to get through. Lorelei just requires you get past Dewgong and Cloister before you set up. I'd love to see you give Scyther a rematch here.
Perhaps I will in the future. For now I'm really excited to give other Pokemon a go. Scyther's evolutionary line is going to get a shot at one of these races very soon!
Good you choose the Dome Fossil in the Scyther run :D The Helix fossil ist so overmemed that it just not funny anymore. (Well for me it was never funny to begin with)
31:20 you can "gen 1 miss" the critical hit on slash, allowing you to not get the crit. The slash against magneton did not crit and therefore the +6 Atk boosts were applied, allowing you to get the KO on Magneton :P. This is a 1/256 chance.
That’s Gen 1 in a nutshell
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I noticed that, but didn't know there was a CRIT equivalent to the gen 1 miss, so that's me learning something new about gen 1 today, which doesn't happen very often any more!
Only in Gen 1 can missing a crit when it's a 1/256 chance help you out.
@@bigpoggers6507 Indeed. Gen 1 is so broken that:
1. You can get guaranteed critical hits very easily.
2. They are not actually gauranteed, but for a 1/256 chance.
3. It is easily possible for a crit to deal less damage than a normal hit.
Awesome gen 1 mechanics in a nutshell.
Scyther's backsprite looks like an alien holding a banana.
Amazing. Cannot unsee.
The back of it's head looks like a hand reaching out towards you.
I would just subtract the time from the trash can puzzles from both, eliminate a chance element.
Would love to see a rematch between these two in one of the later gens just because of strategy and move variety.
Me too!
Scyther would easily win in gen 2. I always grab one and with wing attack, fury cutter, swords dance, slash/quick attack, you can mow through the whole pokemon league.
Basically salty because their guy didn't win
@@grammysworld5449 More like he chose to use a bad move that was weaker than Pinser's starting move rather than more powerful moves which made him waste a lot of extra time that would never be made up. He had Rest which meant the recoil damage from Take Down or Double Edge wouldn't matter. So a moveset of either of those two, with rest, Wing Attack for Bruno which would be the ONLY time in the Elite 4 that it would be stronger than Double Edge and would be usable against Agatha's ghost type along with Swords Dance would have been better than trying to spam a move that after STAB bonus was STILL weaker than Pinser's starting move.
I don't expect perfection, but actual consideration to the moves being used would be nice. Since he all but stopped using Slash because he didn't want to lose the Swords Dance bonus should have been an indication that the move did not fit his strategy any longer and should have been replaced with something he could use instead.
less the electric gym traps, they should be time pause to do..
Electabuzz vs Magmar vs Jynx could be an interesting 3 way race.
Jynx would win ice and psychic and lovely kiss it's a monster
Jynx would win too easily. Is Ice/Psychic type with a sleep move.
Seems like a nice 3 way in many ways 🥴🥴
Should of used a rare candy before lorili fight that way you get to keep the badge boost glitch
@@michelgerber5781 ew
If I remember correctly, Pinsir was the only pure Bug type in Gen 1, outside of Butterfree's pre-evolutions, which were useless anyway.
I watch these videos for two reasons:
1.) They’re enjoyable, informative, and high-quality.
2.) Scott calls me incredible at the end :)))
And in the comments: you're incredible! Thanks for helping with the RUclips algorithm :)
I like your newer style of comparing 2 pokemon against each other, something a little different from other channels. Can't wait for the next one, any hints?
Hint: Red and Yellow.
Magmar vs Electabuzz. Gotcha 👌
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon do butterfree vs beedrill
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Welp, looking at my super duper gen 1 puzzle, I guess it can ALSO be Ninetales and Rapidash, but they got it before me XD
So Electabuzz and Magmar it is.
By the end of the run, I was thinking Hyper Beam could have helped Scyther a lot
In Generation 1 it doesn't require a recharge turn if it knocks out the opponent, combined with Swords Dance and that can be a really powerful alternative to the always critting Slash
But I realize two issues:
1. Hyper Beam only has 5 PP, and that may not be enough for some battles, plus I don't know how many Ether/Elixirs are easy to get through the run
2. The more problematic issue, Hyper Beam can only be obtained by paying coins at the game corner, sure you can buy coins, but that would take a lot of time so unfortunately I don't think it's worth it for a fast run, but I think it's a good strategy otherwise
You should do a gen 2 or 3 run of scyther vs pinsir. Feel like the different bug type moves might make a difference.
they get bug type moves in gen 2?
Yes. In Gen 1, Psychic was OP thanks to them having effectively no Weaknesses. And, Bug type offensively sucked so badly. They did not get a Bug Move back then. And, most of the Bug Moves went to Weak Bug types.
even then both of these guys get no bug moves
Really liking these race comparison videos, shows the strengths and flaws of Pokemon in a whole new way.
Would love to see a race between Vileplume and Bellossom in Gen 2 some day.
Agree. Glalie and Froslass in platinum could be fun too
Wonderful to see Bug types get so much love and attention on your channel. This was an interesting and entertaining spin on your solo challenges and I particularly love how you dedicated segments to the exploding Geodude Hiker (9:04 + 10:46).
After Voltorb I feel compelled to mention him :P
Really like this vs format. Ever since other youtubers confirmed in their challenge videos that you can beat these games with a magikarp or a weedle I've stopped finding the "Can I beat Pokemon with ___" type videos interesting, cos the answer will always be yes. I was fully expecting Scyther to nail this one, really jumped up a notch at the Elite Four.
I fucking love these comparision videos so much that I'm just going back and watching entire versus playlist. Keep up the incredible work my dude
Loved the video, and it is a really cool idea!
One thing I noticed though, since you have such high attack power, and swords dance, you could have taught hyper beam, and it would be an instant win for either, because in gen 1, if you get a KO, there isn't any cool down with it, so Blaine wouldn't be an issue.
These race runs are a really cool idea! It’s be a lot of fun to do this with other Pokémon that match. Nidoking vs Nidoqueen, Zangoose vs Seviper, or all 3 starters in a generation could all be very fun!
Kabuto v Omlymite however the heck you spell it!
It'll be omanyte/omastar. Both have bad speed compared to the top tier and oma's special is almost 50 better than kabuto/ps. Plus badge boost with withdraw horn attack vs absorb till lvl 35 or celadon TM's
@@212mochaman yes but kabuto starts with absorb could cause a massive lead in the beginning that could help pad time for mid/late game.
Kabutoast vs Omletite
Not sure if you know this or not but level ups reset the badge boost. These race challenges are fantastic!
Yeah I know... So frustrating haha
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon is this your favorite gen or just the most consistent gen to do runs in
At this point it's the badge boost feature
Ah yes. Swords Dance and Slash. Pretty much the only time that Focus Energy actually has the chance to be a legitimately helpful move in Gen 1.
I know! That’s three moves though just to make SD power up Slash :P
I love how the Mimic TM winds up being crucial in a lot of these single-pokemon runs.
calling it now, your channel is going to blow up.
i really enjoy watching your videos, keep it up
Thankks so much :) I hope it blows up too
Have you seen JRose 11's 'minimum battles' run in Pokémon Yellow? He chooses to use Scyther over Pinsir in it, mainly because of the faster level up group. Interesting to see the type of challenge really changes which Pokémon is more useful than the other.
Anyway, these challenge races are awesome! Thanks!
These VS challenge runs are so much more enjoyable than singular runs IMO. Unique take. Keep it up, champ
I remember being so confused when I realized that gen 1 crits can sometimes deal LESS damage and of course the 1/256. But I didn't know about badge boost back then either... ah those were simpler times.
I think I said this before, but your voice is so soothing! Marathoning your vids while I'm sick. Very cool stuff my dude
Pinsir has always been one of my favorite gen 1 mons, glad seeing it perfirming well , excellent vid as always
I like your layout being able to see all the important stuff throughout is nice
I'm hoping Pinsir wins! With any luck, the lower crit chance he has will allow Swords Dance to really shine. That, and twelve year old me wants to know that my Pinsir is better than my brother's stupid Scyther. Just my luck that my brother gets the version with a Pokemon based on my favorite bug, and I got a terrifying whatever the hell that is...
Hey, tone down, geez just bcz it happened like that doesnt mean you are able to insult Scyther... Insult your brother instead
@@JJSSBU Don't worry, brothers can't go ten minutes without insulting each other ;)
That was so fun! Thank you Scott! I found this kind of challenge really fun! I'd like to propose a dual challenge between Lapras and Jynx, maybe,... But sure I would enjoy any challenge you do! Thanks a lot, bye, have a good week!
Commenting for the RUclips algorithm, remember the fossils kids.
I love these race videos, they are very exciting and nerve wrecking to watch after making a prediction. great content
Very interesting to see. I'll admit that I spent most of the time hoping Scyther would win as I prefer him and Scizor over the other bug pokemon, but the results make sense in retrospec. I'll still stand in my corner and stand by all the tactical advantages I believe Scyther has over Pinser, but all of that is more for later generations and on a full team where there are other pokemon to cover your weaknesses (so that you don't have say that 4x weakness to rock risking a one-hit blackout)
Loved the concept of 2 rival pokemon speedrunning each section of the game! Very creative idea great video
It’s really a shame these 2 do not get any insect STAB
Thanks for the great work
I N S E C T
What is stab?
@@seanbuck2310 Same Type Attack Bonus
Your moves are 50% stronger if they're the same type as the pokemon that uses them.
You forget the lv 50 35 base Power Wing attack! ^^
@@MK-yg2np True but it is Fly Type not Insect :)
Here's my prediction: Pinsir wins the race, because Scyther's crit rate means it can't use Swords Dance as effectively, and also Lavender Tower.
Great vs video Scott, heres a few others that could pair up fairly well for future ideas:
Koffing vs Grimer (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve)
Psyduck vs Slowpoke (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve)
Magnemite vs voltorb (or evolved forms, or allowing them to evolve)
Mr Mime vs Jynx
Kangaskan vs Tauros
Keep up the great work!
Pinsir is great in gen 1 competitive as well because of Swords dance, Hyper Beam, and Bind!
Hey dude, you inspired me to do a sandshrew only run in leaf green without items. Just finished it today!
Really fun run, though I'm not sure it's possible in RBY, I had to use rock slide and aerial ace to even stand a chance against the E4 and even then. Would be cool to see you try this. The learnset and t/m learnsets seem pretty barebones in rby ;) Keep it up!
UPDATE:
After researching a bit, I retract that statement, my rival had an exegcutor with giga drain which I couldn't beat in time w/o aerial ace. The rby counterparts don't have giga drain so they are less of a threat. It's certainly possible in rby ;)
Just recently discovered your channel, I'm always really happy to see more people doing pokemon challenge runs! I especially like this race type video, because it helps you stand out from all the other channels and gives you a more solid identity in your content. I'm not a youtuber or anything, but I thought I'd give you my two cents :p Hope to see more from you!
I agree with you. It's a nice variant too because it's quite clear that the game can be beat with almost every Pokemon. (Magikarp, Caterpie can't for instance).
Pinsir's such an underrated bug type, it's so powerful, resilient and learns great moves.
Who said pinsir is underrated?
@@bidoof9167 Well I've seen people heavily preferring Heracross over it and not caring much about Pinsir just because it doesn't get STAB on fighting moves.
@@actofcawd209Well, it's more than just not having STAB on fighting moves. Pinsir also doesn't have megahorn. X-Scizzor is its best alternative, but the extra 50% damage probably more than makes up for the 15% miss chance, and a bit worse than that in gen 2/3 where it was relying on Hidden Power for a decent bug type STAB.
I did a scyther run once got totally walled by the ghosts until i got wing attack
And I just saved 15% or more on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
Crap, I forgot Scyther learns Wing Attack in gen 1!
@@thesaltyweeb yeah at lvl 50, friggin atrocious for pre e4 lol
Seeing Pinser lose a full minute to Scyther because of bad garbage can RNG really makes me glad you opted to pause the timer in future runs
Why didn t use slash on Magneton against rival (I think steel type didn t exist in gen 1 yet so Magneton is only electric type I think)
I reckon this channel is going to start blowing up soon. I'm personally hooked and working through all your content
Scyther wants to run it back in gen 2.
Also great video man. Gonna watch the beginning since I came halfway through the premier
Evolutions allowed ?
Yes, but no trading !
Can’t wait man! What about an Aeordactyl solo run? Or fossil Pokémon who is fastest?
Been waiting on an aerodactyl run
Kabutops all the way
@@daviejohnstone12 it would be badass
@@R3dux7933 I’ll have to agree as much as I love Aerodactyl, he lacks moves in gen 1.
These race videos are super fun to watch, nice work!
Damn this is a really early premiere lol, anyways I'm excited for this one I've been basically binging the videos that you've put up over the last like day or two and I've really fallen in love with the way you present your runs and go about everything so I'm really excited to see how this goes I really love the starmie and cloister race
Loving these races!! If you wanna step into Gen 2 for these, wanna do Tauros vs Miltank? My bet's on the Moo Boo :)
That or more bug babie runs. You and FJ are why they're one of my fav types now
This race was awesome! These types of videos of yours are my favorite!
I like that you included the moves and the base stats for both pokemon, I would generally keep that for your runs
Hitmonchan Vs Hitmonlee same challenge. This will be interesting
Hitmonchan was my fav as a kid because of coverage, but his stats suck :((
Tbh chan has no chance against lee in gen 1...
well in Generation 1 Hitmonchan sucks his special is extremely low and the specials atk and def were combined so hitmonchan was always screwed
Also, never knew how you handled two runs at the same time (learning from one gives advantage to the other). I like the way you handled that!
This sort of thing is less pronounced now a days because I have a better grasp on the game though.
Even after playing in a very lax way with it and making several mistakes, Pinsir still won!
What a goddamn BEAST!
This video is so well made. You deserve more views.
Thanks
Loving the races! Super fun to see how Pokemon match up in real time :)
wow this guy is great at the game. he really has a good thought process around the game and he puts together really intelligently done videos. the data and the methodology and stuff is rigorous and we trust his results.
I love how in gen 2, only 1 of these awesome pokemon got any love. Then in gen 4, Pinsir was once again passed over for a new evolution, only finally getting some love with its eventual mega evolution
While Pinsir’s mega is cool, I wish it got a proper evolution.
This versus format is by far the best for these challenge runs.
Love your challenges, I just would like that you do more of this in newer generations.
30:50 The reason the 2nd hit usually seems to deal more damage:
- If you high-rolled your first hit, the pokemon went down, no potion was used and you don't remember the event.
- If you low-rolled your first hit, the pokemon survives, a potion is used and you get another roll. Since you are comparing to your recent low-roll, the chance you deal more damage this time is high.
It's simple logic really.
@Rodent's Revenge as far as I know the rng rolls a multiplier between 0.85 and 1 inclusive, based on a 1/16 roll. So all multipliers 0.85, 0.86, 0.87 .. 0.99, 1.0 are equally likely. The rounding can sometimes cause an extra value to be possible in the range of outcomes, depending on the stat boosts
You know what would’ve been Galaxy Brain?
Double Team spam against the Rock Tunnel Hiker to dodge Self-destruct, possibly saving healing time.
Hi Scott just got done with the video and Pinsir gang won. If I may recommend a challenge for you next time would be is the race of the three starters, Wheezing vs Arbok, Electabuzz vs magmar, and Victorbell, Vileplume.
Really enjoyed this video! Just found your channel also. Only critique would be the video/progression could be displayed slightly faster!
Time for round 2, scizor vs pinsir in pokemon fire red or heart gold/ soul siver if your fancy. But in all seriousness thank you for posting such a fun video. Like most people I had red in gen 1 so I don't actually think I ever used a pinsir.
When I was a kid I found pinsir to be a very intimidating but very cool mon. It was quite strong too, I always wanted to have one but for whatever reason never got my hands on it as a kid.
i subbed, i love these videos. i think its also cool you grew up and OG pokemon fan playing RBY
Great narration, story telling and editing! Loved it!
Both of these Mon's are awesome, I've always loved the looks and the rarity of em. These race vids are just awesome, next Magmar Vs Electabuzz!
saving time in the future making the name of your rival and yourself a single letter saves a lot of time in the long run
I'm digging this vs solo run series. Caterpie vs Weedle on Yellow, or Dustox vs Beautifly on Emerald would be awesome to see next!
Pinsir was my favorite gen 1 bug type, ashame it couldn't get a stab move to utilize back then.
I like these vs. type runs. I'd like to see magneton vs. electrode in the future if that is alright? My 2 favorite electric type pokemon.
My favourite of the two won! Great video.
I like that you use some stronger pokemon, like scyther and pinsir, they honestly are my favorite types of videos
I f*cking love these videos
Against Giovanni you should have used Swordsdance after mimicking Earthquake from Dugtrio. Would have raised all your stats, including your attack. Yes, the raise wouldn't do much for your Slash, since Slash always crits, but it would have boosted your copied Earthquake, making sure that you will one-shot all the other pokemon that are weak against it.
Wouldn't have made much of a difference in terms of the time, however it would make it more consistent.
Finally i have been waiting for this, i loved the video. And i cant wait for the other races, maybe also 2nd generations races one day.
I really like this method of comparing.
Pinsir actually has a good back sprite for gen 1
I just found your channel. I love it a lot. A automatic sub keep up the great work!😄
Thanks for subbing, welcome to the channel :)
“Pincers crossed” 🤣
4:19
Grabbing the Dome Fossil... can he... can he do that?! Is that legal? D:
I don't think it is. I'm such a rebel.
When he did a run for Alakazam and Gengar we all knew Alakazam would win hands down
This video was recommended after an MDB challenge vid, I love the head to head idea
A 3 way race between Jynx, Elctabuzz and Magmar would be super cool, or even just between magmar and electabuzz
Of course I stuck around! I was rooting for mah boy Pinsir!
But I was surprised to see Scyther struggle this much, but yeah his movepool sucked in the earlier generations, poor guy needed some good stab moves like U-Turn hah!
And I always will say that Aerodactyl is the true final boss!
Quality stuff though man, you've become one of my faves to watch doing this stuff!
Keep it up! Hoping to see Electabuzz vs Magmar as well! :D
This is another example of how Gen 4 and 5 is really when the game became good (for bug type users). Scyther wasn’t “that great” until then. By the time GEN 4 and 5 came out they had improved the bug and flying types significantly. Jolly Scyther with technician ability, Arial Ace, Bug Bite, (and then two legal moves that works for whatever you’re trying to go for or) if you’re on an emulator just give him storm throw (5th gen only, sadly. Maybe double kick if you’re playing 4th Gen) and bonemerang. Those are great type coverage for his weaknesses and work well with technician. They also help against anybody with the sturdy ability. His hold item should obviously be an eviolite, but if your worried about bonemerange’s accuracy you could give him a wide lens instead. He’s also another example of the vast list of Pokémon who would benefit from the huge power ability, but technician is such a good ability it’s almost not worth changing. MoldBreaker on the right Pokémon is dangerous. Pinsir’s usefulness when fighting rock types with only having a 2x weakness as opposed to 4x is nice. Give him earthquake and everyone with levitate is screwed. As long as pinsir has rock slide he’ll be safe from the rest of his weaknesses.
Do a community poll before you release these to boost you on the algorithm! again great layout and content
Great idea! I'll do that for the next one!
Follow up video idea: Pinsir, Scizor, and Heracross in a 3 way battle through either FRLG or GSC
Since I think they've all been hyped up as enemies/rivals
A 3 way fight between all the original Eevolutions!
Love these racing challenges Scott! To see the opposite end of the spectrum, what about a speed race between Magneton and Electrode Gen 1? Which is more brutal? Magnemite/Magneton all time fav of mine. Keep up great work!
As silly as that seems, I wonder whether teaching Scyther Cut after Agatha would've been a good move. It's 50 attack, 15 more than Gen 1 Wing Attack 35, and does not get increased crit chance either
Either way, thank you for the video, this was a good watch :)
Hey don, love your secret of mana runs :) You still doing them? Also 35 and stab is close enough
@@212mochaman Ah.. I forgot about STAB... Right. Wing Attack is better
SoM runs will happen eventually again, currently a bit burned out
@@DonYagamoth no worries champ, i know it must've seemed like torture at the time but that 100% Mana speedrun you did has been one of my most watched yt playlists ever, 100% runs of any game are enormously relaxing and helpful to get to sleep so thank you ❤
I'm tipping pinsir with this one. Has relatively easy access to submission eliminating one major drawback with its moveset and as sole bug type actually has fewer weaknesses then scyther
Just watched this and wanted to test out a strat with Scyther using Swords Dance and an attacking move (Wing Attack is what I used). It does require a little luck and I used Double Team a little to help, but two tries starting at level 57 I was able to get through. Lorelei just requires you get past Dewgong and Cloister before you set up. I'd love to see you give Scyther a rematch here.
Perhaps I will in the future. For now I'm really excited to give other Pokemon a go. Scyther's evolutionary line is going to get a shot at one of these races very soon!
Good you choose the Dome Fossil in the Scyther run :D
The Helix fossil ist so overmemed that it just not funny anymore. (Well for me it was never funny to begin with)
really great rules, fair too. Can't wait for more chalanges and races!
This is my new favourite series on youtube. Do Arcanine vs Ninetales
I dont understand. I think you said you grabbed the helix fossil. But that's not possible
Scizor evolved past scythers weaknesses it seems. If only pinsir had a, true, evolution. It would be truly powerful.