You hit the nail on the head. It just makes bleeding a system that has been opened up more difficult. Speed Bleeders are excellent for simply changing the brake fluid which needs to be done on a regular schedule. For a track bike some do it every weekend the bike is riden. For a street bike once a season is good.
Thanks for the video! I used this (and the other brake line videos) to swap out the old stock brake lines and put in SS brake lines for my bike. I had access to a mityvac and I purchased some speed bleeders, and the whole process was painless. I drained the old brake fluid, removed the OEM lines, installed the new lines, used the mityvac to prime the lines, and once they were filled, installed the speedbleeders. I used the speedbleeders to remove traces of air, brakes are done!
I used speed bleeders today. Absolutely perfect product. Second bleed out of them. Next year I'm going to replace them with the stainless version. Nothing wrong with the regular zinc plated version. The stainless version resist corrosion. Excellent video
Real old video but thanks alot for making it! I ordered speed bleeders for my new bike, just wasnt sure on the procedure for putting them on, now i do. great easy to follow video!
Thanks for this one. Saved me doing it the long way. I follow your channel and find it very useful for many tasks. Your channel is a trusted source of good info.
I would use the hand pump to get the fluid moving, should work fine. If that does not work then remove one speed bleeder at a time (fluid level full) and allow that circuit to gravity bleed until the fluid is flowing. Repeat this for the other side. Once this is done you should be able to install the speed bleeders and finish bleeding the system.
@deerman1212 If you already have them in there just run em. Give the CL pads a shot next time. I have found it is fun to try different brakes and tires to experience the difference between them.
Funny I was thinking of doing the steel lines first, reverse prime up the system through the OEM bleeders then swap to the speed bleeders. Glad this video has a similar ides.
@Raxarax The performance aftermarket brake components simply outperform the stock. Steel braided limes offer better feel. A Brembo master cylinder will increase fell and power as well as eliminate most brake fade issues. No there are several pad options available. Some offer better power, some more initial bite others modulate better. Many reasons to change stock components in favor of aftermarket ones.
@ninjutsu1968 I am not familiar with the Road Lock, sorry. End of the day removing the road lock to service the brake fluid would not be much different than having to remove the fairing to change the oil. Wish I had a better answer
Great video! It has stood the test of time and is still very informative. Could you expand on why it's important to not have the speed bleeders on the calipers initially after replacing a brake system component? Why do they impede bleeding a previously empty system?
@AlrightThen15 it is basically a hydraulic switch, and hydraulic switches are incredibly reliable. just think of all the digging machines, they all work with hydraulic switches and almost never fail. hydraulic switches used on variable valve timing on cars. generally these are really reliable and i wouldn't worry about them failing ;)
@x2flipballa2x you leave it in... like he said its the same thing as a normal one except it has like a valve in it which closes when you release pressure off you lever, makes bleeding easier... when done close the valve. you dont just change the thing just to change it again....
Pretty cool, although, what if that spring fails inside the bleeder? does air enter the lines without you knowing it? I would hate to be coming off the back straight at road atlanta and grab a handful of nothing ! Just sayin, moving parts usually equal failure at some point granted they should only move during a bleed... I would just be sure it can't fail while your riding... if so, count me in.
So, what do you do if you have Speed Bleeders installed, and later on you need to rebuild the caliper? They say that the SBs should not be used for an "initial fill", but that's what you'll have to do once you've put the caliper back together. Do you swap the stock bleed valve back in temporarily?
without the speed bleeders, would you go about bleeding the lines the same way you did the rear brakes? also. after you put the new brake fluid in the lines (front and back) do you bleed them both to make sure the fluid is running throughout the system?
Is there a reason why you don't install the speed bleeders before changing the lines, while the old brake fluid still has pressure? Then getting old fluid out and bleeding the lines for the line change would be easier and faster.
When you use the speed bleeders, take out the oem bleeders, and finish the job do you have to put the oem bleeders back on or can you leave in the speed bleeders?
i have a ktm rc8 with brembo calipers the original bleeer with the rubber cap on is very close to the front guard {i have to remove the guard to bleed brakes} is the speed bleeder longer than original
here's my predicament...i have the spiegler lines and the speed bleeders but i need to change my lines now to new ones i just ordered. i don't think i have my stock bleed screws...what should i do? i ordered the hand pump mitivac as well, will i be able to overcome the pressure from an empty system on the speed bleeders?? recommendations??
Since it's not recommended to replace the bleeder screws on an empty system, would it be better to install the speed bleeder screws "before" installing the stainless brake lines (ie. before the system is purged of brake fluid)? That way purging the system would go faster too?
It isn't that it's "not recommended" to install speed bleeders when the system is empty; the fact of the matter is you CANT install them on an empty system and bleed the lines correctly. If you have time to experiment, then try it sometime and you'll see why. As far as installing them before the system Is flushed; it won't matter. The system will end up being empty regardless, because As soon as you take the old line off, fluid is going to spill out of your calipers and the master cylinder. Good idea, but I believe you didn't think that idea through.
Can this be used for master cylinder? also i have purchased 3 same bleeder for 07 GSxr 600 but when i ordered i did not notice that two options were available so i ordered 3 but all front instead of 2 front and one rear. I already installed it and i was wondering if that would be a problem. Please answer when possible thank you.
Make sure you never let the brake reservoir go totally empty, this will introduce a ton of air into the system. Install the bleeders, pump as much of the fluid out of the reservoir as you can without introducing air into the system, then add fluid and repeat one time to make sure you have flushed out all of the old fluid. - Van
@@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials If you are replacing the lines I would suggest draining all of the fluid from the master first so you do not have brake fluid running all over the bike. This stuff will damage paint if you do not clean it off quickly. - Van
I just installed them and I used THREAD LOCKER. But I am now thinking I should NOT have used thread locker, since that might interfere with the check valve (it will get stuck or will be too slow to move). I am also worried that the thread locker will mix in with the brake fluid and compromise the brake fluid behavior, especially under racing conditions. Should I have not used thread locker?
I think the only reason they use the thread lock is to keep a seal , it's like putting silicone on a damping rod bolt just stop any leak's . I could be wrong 😉 but it doesn't make sense any other way as you got to move it and the use of thread lock is to stop nuts and bolts from moving .
Why would I want to swap standard bleeders to speed bleeders, when most bleed kits these days come with a bleeding hose that has a non-return valve in it? Your speed bleed screws seem like an unecessary expense! With a non return valve in a bleeder hose, that will only cost a few quid/bucks, you can the same deal where you don't need to keep loosening and tightening the bleed screw the old way, and can just keep pumping the pedal or lever until air free fluid is flowing, so there is actually no need for speed bleeder screws, or did I miss something?
Standard bleeders do not seal at the calipers like the speed bleeders do. If you try to do the same thing with a standard bleeder you will introduce air into the system each time you release the lever with the screw open. If you don't want to use these just use the conventional bleeding method. - Van
Ok, I have a very basic question. Why install aftermarket brakes? Is it a quality thing or something? It seems like a lot of money for a job the bike performs adequately. 04 gsxr 600
+Ally Dockstader Email one of our technical specialists at "Orders@sportbiketrackgear.com" and they can make sure to get you set up with the correct parts!
@x2flipballa2x you leave it in... like he said its the same thing as a normal one except it has like a valve in it which closes when you release pressure off you lever, makes bleeding easier... when done close the valve. you dont just change the thing just to change it again....
You hit the nail on the head. It just makes bleeding a system that has been opened up more difficult. Speed Bleeders are excellent for simply changing the brake fluid which needs to be done on a regular schedule. For a track bike some do it every weekend the bike is riden. For a street bike once a season is good.
Thanks for the video! I used this (and the other brake line videos) to swap out the old stock brake lines and put in SS brake lines for my bike. I had access to a mityvac and I purchased some speed bleeders, and the whole process was painless. I drained the old brake fluid, removed the OEM lines, installed the new lines, used the mityvac to prime the lines, and once they were filled, installed the speedbleeders. I used the speedbleeders to remove traces of air, brakes are done!
Really appreciate the tip on using speed bleeders on full system. I was pumping away with no luck before I found your video!
I used speed bleeders today. Absolutely perfect product. Second bleed out of them. Next year I'm going to replace them with the stainless version. Nothing wrong with the regular zinc plated version. The stainless version resist corrosion. Excellent video
Real old video but thanks alot for making it! I ordered speed bleeders for my new bike, just wasnt sure on the procedure for putting them on, now i do. great easy to follow video!
You are welcome, happy to help out. - Van
Cool glad it went well. You will love the lines, make quite a difference
@JerryGar96 Yes, once installed they stay in the caliper just like the stock bleeder. Next time you change the brake fluid it is a snap.
Thanks for this one. Saved me doing it the long way. I follow your channel and find it very useful for many tasks. Your channel is a trusted source of good info.
Happy to help out and appreciate your support for sure! - Brian Van
Good vid guys, thanks for taking the time to explain the process in real time. Take it easy.
You are welcome and thank you for watching! - Van
I would use the hand pump to get the fluid moving, should work fine. If that does not work then remove one speed bleeder at a time (fluid level full) and allow that circuit to gravity bleed until the fluid is flowing. Repeat this for the other side. Once this is done you should be able to install the speed bleeders and finish bleeding the system.
@deerman1212 If you already have them in there just run em. Give the CL pads a shot next time. I have found it is fun to try different brakes and tires to experience the difference between them.
Funny I was thinking of doing the steel lines first, reverse prime up the system through the OEM bleeders then swap to the speed bleeders. Glad this video has a similar ides.
The Speed Bleeders really make bleeding the brakes a breeze. - Van
@Raxarax The performance aftermarket brake components simply outperform the stock. Steel braided limes offer better feel. A Brembo master cylinder will increase fell and power as well as eliminate most brake fade issues. No there are several pad options available. Some offer better power, some more initial bite others modulate better. Many reasons to change stock components in favor of aftermarket ones.
@JerryGar96 Better to get the fluid flowing before the speed bleeders are installed IMO. The speed bleeders are best for changing the fluid etc...
@JIVTUKEY Just use the bleeders on the calipers, many master cylibders do not have a bleeder on them.
@ninjutsu1968 I am not familiar with the Road Lock, sorry. End of the day removing the road lock to service the brake fluid would not be much different than having to remove the fairing to change the oil. Wish I had a better answer
Mateus the gentle modest but knowledgeable European and Brian, the brash motormouth American, what a contrast in characters.
Great video! It has stood the test of time and is still very informative. Could you expand on why it's important to not have the speed bleeders on the calipers initially after replacing a brake system component? Why do they impede bleeding a previously empty system?
Thank You for your sharing!! Question; Is it possible to use a pneumatic air bleeder with speed bleeders? Great job Guys! Thanks again 👍
I do not see the point of using these with a pneumatic bleeder. Odds are it would overcome the spring and work fine. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Thanks, appreciate it. 👍
great job fellas thanks for being careful with my baby!!!
@AlrightThen15 it is basically a hydraulic switch, and hydraulic switches are incredibly reliable.
just think of all the digging machines, they all work with hydraulic switches and almost never fail.
hydraulic switches used on variable valve timing on cars.
generally these are really reliable and i wouldn't worry about them failing ;)
@deerman1212 its more then enough for the front and rear, used them on the track and no problems at all
Thanks - my MityVac kept coming loose even with new vinyl tubing and it was an annoying 1 person job with regular bleeders.
No worries, thanks for watching! - Van
@MrRastaNinja Same torque will be fine.
@x2flipballa2x you leave it in... like he said its the same thing as a normal one except it has like a valve in it which closes when you release pressure off you lever, makes bleeding easier... when done close the valve. you dont just change the thing just to change it again....
No worries and thanks for the donor bike!
I just watched the video you made and it answered my question
I know these video's are old but they are awesome , I'm off to buy some new pads and a speed bleeder kit :).
Still relevant! Thanks for the feedback! ~Aubrey
Pretty cool, although, what if that spring fails inside the bleeder? does air enter the lines without you knowing it? I would hate to be coming off the back straight at road atlanta and grab a handful of nothing ! Just sayin, moving parts usually equal failure at some point granted they should only move during a bleed... I would just be sure it can't fail while your riding... if so, count me in.
@eighty9crx Hard to cover that accent up for sure.
Great video series!
Should I also wear a black baseball cap and tight shirt when installing the speed bleeders?
That is the preferred method, everyone knows that. - Van
good point, just don't forget a deep socket
So, what do you do if you have Speed Bleeders installed, and later on you need to rebuild the caliper? They say that the SBs should not be used for an "initial fill", but that's what you'll have to do once you've put the caliper back together. Do you swap the stock bleed valve back in temporarily?
without the speed bleeders, would you go about bleeding the lines the same way you did the rear brakes? also. after you put the new brake fluid in the lines (front and back) do you bleed them both to make sure the fluid is running throughout the system?
Do you drain the master cylinder first or the calipers whe you are changing the fluid?
I start at the calipers when changing the fluid as this is the low point in the system. - Van
Brian, are you still using speed bleeders on your recent bikes? It seems like you are not based on the Spiegler videos where you are bleeding without.
I am not currently using them on any of our project bikes. We do still use Spiegler lines on all of our bikes. - Van
Is there a reason why you don't install the speed bleeders before changing the lines, while the old brake fluid still has pressure? Then getting old fluid out and bleeding the lines for the line change would be easier and faster.
When you use the speed bleeders, take out the oem bleeders, and finish the job do you have to put the oem bleeders back on or can you leave in the speed bleeders?
i have a ktm rc8 with brembo calipers the original bleeer with the rubber cap on is very close to the front guard {i have to remove the guard to bleed brakes} is the speed bleeder longer than original
i guess i need to find my standard bleeders and start the bleed before putting the speed bleeders back...right?
here's my predicament...i have the spiegler lines and the speed bleeders but i need to change my lines now to new ones i just ordered. i don't think i have my stock bleed screws...what should i do? i ordered the hand pump mitivac as well, will i be able to overcome the pressure from an empty system on the speed bleeders?? recommendations??
Since it's not recommended to replace the bleeder screws on an empty system, would it be better to install the speed bleeder screws "before" installing the stainless brake lines (ie. before the system is purged of brake fluid)? That way purging the system would go faster too?
It isn't that it's "not recommended" to install speed bleeders when the system is empty; the fact of the matter is you CANT install them on an empty system and bleed the lines correctly. If you have time to experiment, then try it sometime and you'll see why.
As far as installing them before the system
Is flushed; it won't matter. The system will end up being empty regardless, because As soon as you take the old line off, fluid is going to spill out of your calipers and the master cylinder. Good idea, but I believe you didn't think that idea through.
@Sportbiketrackgear once installed the Speed Bleeder Brake Bleeder do u leave them in as u would do a normal bleeder
my bike has ABS brakes. Are these okay for ABS? Any special considerations when bleeding ABS systems? Thanks
Can this be used for master cylinder? also i have purchased 3 same bleeder for 07 GSxr 600 but when i ordered i did not notice that two options were available so i ordered 3 but all front instead of 2 front and one rear. I already installed it and i was wondering if that would be a problem. Please answer when possible thank you.
I just replaced my back brakes on my gsxr 600 with HH EBC pads, should I run them or or should i get CL pads?
So install speedbleeder, then pump out all the fluid, then replace brake line, then add fluid and bleed. Can I do that?
Make sure you never let the brake reservoir go totally empty, this will introduce a ton of air into the system. Install the bleeders, pump as much of the fluid out of the reservoir as you can without introducing air into the system, then add fluid and repeat one time to make sure you have flushed out all of the old fluid. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear What if I'm replacing the brake hoses? Doesn't the master have to be emptied?
@@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials If you are replacing the lines I would suggest draining all of the fluid from the master first so you do not have brake fluid running all over the bike. This stuff will damage paint if you do not clean it off quickly. - Van
Do you tighten these up to the same torque as the original bleed nipples?
What is the Ft.lbs torque spec on the speed bleeders?
I just installed them and I used THREAD LOCKER. But I am now thinking I should NOT have used thread locker, since that might interfere with the check valve (it will get stuck or will be too slow to move). I am also worried that the thread locker will mix in with the brake fluid and compromise the brake fluid behavior, especially under racing conditions. Should I have not used thread locker?
Tim C I;m wondering the same thing.
I think the only reason they use the thread lock is to keep a seal , it's like putting silicone on a damping rod bolt just stop any leak's . I could be wrong 😉 but it doesn't make sense any other way as you got to move it and the use of thread lock is to stop nuts and bolts from moving .
a ratchet wrench would make installing the speed bleeder easier and faster
ah ha..........glad I saw this 14 year old vid............ replace a brake line and was about to simply use speedbleeders
This is an old one for sure. Thanks for watching and happy to hear it was helpful. - Van
Once you've installed bleeder screw, and its snug with locktite, how do you open it? Is there another spot on the screw to open?
+Ally Dockstader If you use blue Locktite you should still be able to unscrew the
bleeder enough for it to work effectively. Thanks for watching!
+Sportbike Track Gear ok, so should the lock tite be dry before the install though? it looked dry in the video.
It should be just tacky enough so it doesn't run into the Caliper and you'll be all good.
Why would I want to swap standard bleeders to speed bleeders, when most bleed kits these days come with a bleeding hose that has a non-return valve in it?
Your speed bleed screws seem like an unecessary expense!
With a non return valve in a bleeder hose, that will only cost a few quid/bucks, you can the same deal where you don't need to keep loosening and tightening the bleed screw the old way, and can just keep pumping the pedal or lever until air free fluid is flowing, so there is actually no need for speed bleeder screws, or did I miss something?
Standard bleeders do not seal at the calipers like the speed bleeders do. If you try to do the same thing with a standard bleeder you will introduce air into the system each time you release the lever with the screw open. If you don't want to use these just use the conventional bleeding method. - Van
Ok, I have a very basic question. Why install aftermarket brakes? Is it a quality thing or something? It seems like a lot of money for a job the bike performs adequately. 04 gsxr 600
what size bleeder screw for a yzf r1 05? want to order 3 ? is it 8mm? whats the part #?
+Ally Dockstader Email one of our technical specialists at "Orders@sportbiketrackgear.com" and they can make sure to get you set up with the correct parts!
+Sportbike Track Gear Question.. ...what type of thread sealant? blue?
Yes, I would use only the blue.
My yzfr125 this won't work on my bike I don't have bleeders does anybody know how to on yzfr125 to bleed
Thanks for watching. - Van
@fukthailand They are available in different lengths. Please contact us directly ryanp at sportbiketrackgear
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Try English next time...
@x2flipballa2x you leave it in... like he said its the same thing as a normal one except it has like a valve in it which closes when you release pressure off you lever, makes bleeding easier... when done close the valve. you dont just change the thing just to change it again....