Office Hours with Dr. Greg Carr (How Do We Decolonize the Church?)
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- In a clip from Office Hours (exclusively in Knubia on Monday nights), Dr. Greg Carr engages with Errol around the question about how to remove social structures from our worship. #JeremiahWright #Church #GregCarr #Knarrative.
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Sir that's a powerful sermon
Insightful discussion…we need this liberation theology in the various forms of the Black Church.
“Look who’s in the stand”. One of The most powerful sermon ever…🔨🔨🔨🔨🙌🏾🌎🙌🏾
That sermon was genius!!
Hi Geraldine!
@@geraldinereed36 hi 👋🏾
I have been watching In Class with Carr since episode 1 back in 2020, and I have been blessed beyond words. So much so, I am looking for ways to get involved in my life and community...I want to bring my brick. The basis for the conversation is something that has been weighing on me being a Christian myself. I have been exploring and deconstructing my Christianity and American Christianity since agent orange got into office. Professor Hunter and Dr. Carr, thank you for growing me.
are you a member of Knarrative?
@@KarenHunterShow I sure am! As well as Knubia!
Agree with everything this brother said! Thank you
“Rev.” Carr! Preach, preacher! 🙌🏾
Late to the party...but I preached the true Christmas story during my student pastor period. My kids had gone to the Adler planetarium and came back excited about what they learned. I listened, did my due diligence and crafted my sermon, crediting them as co-writers. The congregation were stunned.
This conversation was refreshing. The Guest wants to create an environment where Jesus is not the end all be all in christianity. (which, if there was a Jesus, Jesus was not even a Christian.) I support you, Rev. in your pursuit. There was a whole lot more before Jesus. et us get busy with knowing that religious/social structure.
THANK YOU, Prof. Hunter for sharing this discussion with Dr. Carr and guest!!
This convo is freeing more souls with the truth to power message than many churches with their 'ulterior motive' salvation messages that are driving people away!!
Dr. Carr was really diving into this subject!!👏🏾👏🏾
This was truly an interesting and necessary convo!!🙏🏾💯
Brothers you are preaching now!!!
Religion and spirituality are separate. One is of human constructs and the other is much larger than the universe.
Thank you!
Teach….preach!
Good luck to you brother minister! Some of our people will go off, if you're talking about pulling away from standard religion.
Step slowly with that one my Brother. You eventually may be preaching to your choir.
My God! He hit the nail on the head with this one… taking the soul out of it. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but I felt this too… glad he said it!
There is a GREAT Scholar at the Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology at Virginia Union University who has been dealing with the Decolonization of the Black Church named Dr. John W. Kinney! He and Dr. Carr should have a thorough discussion on this! Dr. John W. Kinney is both an imminent scholar and Senior Pastor!
Yep! Dean will clarify much. He has preached at Howard’s chapel on more than one occasion. Baba J is a product of STVU.
Agreed!!! Also Dr Mark Lomax at ITC
YES for that discussion-Dr. Carr & Dr. John W. Kinney. Let’s make it happen. 👍🏾
This Office Hours makes me rethink about reglion. I too was brought in the church. I grew up with the European way of belief and fear of dying and going to hell. I have to reread the Bible with fresh eyes
I too considered the idea and did exactly that. Nothing new resulted. Perhaps it’s not a “rereading of a book of myths and fables” but a moving on to the next phase of our experience.
Hands down Thee most important conversation. Thank you 🙏🏾
THE most…
The infusion of religious concepts within our Afrikan societal
existence has and will always be a major issue in the combatting
of our oppression.
wow once the brother asked the question, I instantly was wondering how and what Dr. Carr was going to say. He didn’t even have to think long. I Love Dr. Carr, he inspires me to be like him, and that I don’t mind at all. Thanks Dr. Carr!
Jesus is somebody we know! Amen!
I’m so incredibly interested to hear how this will begin and continue. Give thanks for this platform which gives us the ease with which to ask “these “ very important questions
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I'm loving this information ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you Dr. Carr for speaking of Composer W.C. Handy! Now I am listening to his music on RUclips!
Beautiful! and the Xmas part Thank YOU!
The ITC in the AUC got what you need bruh!!! A life changing seminary experience!!
And STVU…him being in Louisiana is busted because he surrounded by southern white seminaries.
@@RevTAAnderson You’re right about it! Rev. Dr. Boykin Sanders and Dean Kinney were my favorite scholars over there at SDPST at VU. Went on one of Dr. Sanders’ trips to Ethiopia and Ghana ‘14 Looking at the linkages/influences of African traditional religion, Coptic Christianity in the African American/Black Church. Doc Sanders is a gem.
@@hopefortheholla I went in 2005…I had not been the same since.
Love this! Thank you Professor Hunter!
"Indefensible" is absolutely right! I'm still pissed in 2022!
@ 9:53 Wow… powerful convo.. Well overdue
I remember that sermon. Very powerful lecture.
Great discussion. We need more of this
Today you have saved my mind, because I lost my family and friends talking about the colonization of our people through the church. I graduated from Biblical Studies this year and saw how they used it to keep us in captivity. Its hard but I can't turn back!
Sorry for your loss.
Great afternoon, Professor Karen. When I was a pre-teen I was kicked out of the Catholic School and at the time it was so hurtful only to find out many years later it was the best thing that ever happen to me. Dr. Carr is giving a history lesson of Black religion. I remember going up mamma practice voodoo, was a Catholic but hated what she would call "Holy Rollie People" She meant Holy Rollers, such as Pentecostal or COGIC people. Mamma always said she was from East Kingston Jamaica, listen to Dr. Carr I learned the slaves ships stopped at the South American and surrounding indigenous Islands before the slave ships arrived at what we now call North America. Professor Karen, I never knew my mamma story and I honestly think her spirit lead me to You and Dr. Carr. I never understood my mamma while she was alive, I now understand so much about her life, from the lessons I have been learning from You and Dr. Carr. I feel myself crying right now. I thank you Professor Karen.
What a gift! 🥰
People please look up Rev Albert Cleage. He set the precedent for how black people should practice Christianity and how our perspective of Christ should be shifted. 14:18 was so well said!!! 🙌🏾 Dr. Carr truly comprehends the BEAUTY of being African!
Thanks Nore Neal for dropping this information
transitioning from one epoch to another ..the transition holds the key to the foundation of the building of the New....!
Malcolm X tried to tell you about these preachers. Who're teaching the Euro Centric theology that they've been taught in these seminary schools. Where they've been indoctrinated with the image Cesar Borgia as the Christ .
Blk Churches have ignored the Works of Black Technological Scholar Dr James Cone's works like Black Theology and Black Power,
A Black Theology of Liberation and others.
Instead all you're getting weekly from the Passive Pastor is Praise & Worship.
You…just…put…me…ON!
Seen his name too much to not have invested in his works.
He is on this Spring’s purchase list.
His question is good. My question is, what seminary did this brother attend? Where one goes actually matters. As a proud graduate of the Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology at Virginia Union University (STVU) we learned how to decolonize them church. Our professors, many who are graduates of STVU themselves nurtured us to love us, our people and the value of a black liberation hermeneutic. In my mind, no Black person should attend a white evangelical seminary or divinity school because they will never love themselves or their people. Dean Emeritus, Dr. John Kinney, Drs. Patricia Gould-Champ, Boykin Sanders, Jerome Ross and many others have worked on decolonization of the text and our minds. Again, where one goes actually matters in theological education.
I believe that it’s going to require more than reformation. We may need to begin at the beginning; abolishment and rebuild from a strong Afrikan conscience foundation that we creat, build and maintain.
I view it just as I view America, just how I view racism, just how I vow the system of white insecurity: DESTROY………and rebuild.
Dr. Cecil Cone: The Identity Crisis in Black Theology, A MUST READ!
Music is good but without the technical, cultural, and reclaiming a traditional African language of spirituality all is listed before we get started. We must learn:
1. history of humanity which is African and Black and then melenated deficient people and others.
2. technical aspects of spirituality
3. African cultural traditions
4. Reclaiming a traditional African language i.e. Mdu Ntr
Every god blessed time I listen to Dr. Carr, there occurs a synchronous moment... more akin to an epiphany. Maybe its because we are both seeking the same evolution of the pan-africanist mind, both standing in the same warming sun (unlike the winter sun of the dominant caste that illuminates but does not warm).
African spirituality is ancient and closer to the truth and far more resonant to evolved human ear than the desiccated, reductionist, and bloodless religion of the social structure. The african spirituality as found in The Hermetica vibrates us higher and speaks to the essential elements of light, ancestors and god that we have intuited and held onto through all the passages of time and space. It lives in the wordless vocalizations similar in my jamaican mother, your south Carolinian grandmother, and a mother pounding fufu in ghana. This is merely a peek at the common and timeless consciousness that moves through us. I believe the more we attune to the eternal and universal force (call it god, call it a conscious universe) the more we become what we are supposed to be, the consciousness of god made manifest.
Well said. Pure poetry. I hope that you are a writer, as your ability to put into words how you, I, and I'm sure countless others feel, is truly remarkable. Thank you.
We don’t deserve Dr.C
FACTS
I understand your intent, but Yea we do.
He’s a rare gift that should be readily accepted and utilized appropriately to assist use in our struggle for liberation. ✌🏿
Yeah we do! He is why we are here AND we are why he is here.
This is awesome
This is another great One! I went to seminary years ago and found much was missing and me, along with my Jegna started studying our African/Black history along with Catholicism/Protestesim. Black people are everywhere, but are systematically being erased!
We must go back to who we are as a people. I agree with both of you! Pastor get ready! I believe the Ancestors are with you!
The ancestors may be with him, but his congregation sure won’t be. I wish him well.
Where did you attend seminary?
Ray Hagins can help with changing the church to Afrocentric focus
Started listening to him in 2010.
Had a chance to sit in his congregation in Atlanta.
Dr Carr is talking about spirits and a lot of people are jumping on board with "what our African ancestors worshiped before they were enslaved". We should not assume that there were no Africans who had the correct understanding of Christianity before they reached "The Americas". The question should be was the spirit's they were worshipping of God or did they practice idolatry? It maybe true they worshiped spirit's under the umbrella of what is called "African Spirituality", but that doesn't make it right, but heretical, according to the Word of God.
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 1 John 4:1-3
I've been saying this about gospel music since the late 90s; how our music(gospel) has steadily been white washed (check all the names and categories etc). Removing the blackness with this so called worship music. I just can't stand that music. And that capitalist mentality has completely saturated the ''çhurch' via that music. I'm done with organised religion.
I feel you on this.
This has touched my Soul, of Knowing 🥲🥲🥲🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
I was talking about this yesterday to someone. We are starting to dilute our culture with a lot of other external influences. Let’s not lose who and what we are by trying to be like others. I love straight gospel music.
Ain't gonna ev'a be they kind of civilized .
I want to hear this sermon myself. I left the church (and left my family behind in it) because I love the truth. Anywhere truth is told I want to be in THAT number. Will he put it on RUclips?
Awww that was just too short🔆♥️🖤💚
it was 2:30 hours...this is a clip.
Y’all gotta get this stuff on Tik Tok !
Yes, "crossing" over to the pop side so to speak- They didnt use to mess with the church
Learn from the Elders who are left.
🖤🖤🖤💎💎💎👍🏿
Hey, hey! I remember He was the Pastor of President Barak Obama! Respect! The 44 President is a man of honor in reality! Non religious, non political the prototype of a hood BLACK wealthy, educated man, before he is a President, he is a man! He took this black experience all the way up! Respect!
Jaguar Nation!!!
Dr. Ray Hagin may have already attempted to build it better.
I would say get rid of social structure models and values ( motivational preaching, mimes, prosperity gospel,
praise teams, praise dancing).
Bring back the Mother's Board, Hammond Organ, mass choirs.
We have lost the Soul Force the Elders
had. ( They now time the dancing and
shouting and use clap track technology).