I listened with Audio Technica AthM50x and Sony WH1000xm4 Anc , i think with Tannoys more good and balanced than original record, bass level up, more warm sound. Btw especially instrument music so nice.
The Tannoys produce a far superior vocal and these punch through due to the near perfect linear setup of the sound and this flat set up means your mix will just sound as pure to the mix as possible meaning the whole sound is as you intended. The KRK’S are no way near as clear and defined, the vocals are much quieter and the music sound harmonics are not as true, lot more quieter but also means the ends are too punchy in the highs. These Tannoys probably the best value speakers or near field monitors in the world absolutely amazing value and superb sound.
@@TwinCreekAudio I can imagine. I have a full blown professional set up and use top of the range Focal speakers 1 x quad 2 x pairs - but I am very impressed with these and I am considering buying a pair. Tannoy has an impressive pedigree in speaker sound. Acoustics is largely based on the room, shape, size and what the room consists off. The more expensive speakers have to often over compensate to give a purer sound signal reflection. Often paying for overkill can pay off but I am so sick of these rip-off costs. The amps tend to be always mediocre at best and the cones average and when your paying 1000s for once monitor I expect much better value for money. When I look at the Tannoy Golds I am super impressed. I do not think in my huge studio I would have an issue with this. Glad you are getting the best out of them as sound regardless is subjective. I do a lot of proper Mastering and creating sound signatures I think these might be a hidden treasure. 😀
I wasn't sure what to expect when I got these. I knew Tannoy's reputation and a good friend of mine uses them in his studio and spoke highly of how well they translate. I have had my studio in one form or another since 2004 and these are the single biggest improvement to how my mixes sound in all that time. Other improvements have been more incremental as far as the results are concerned. These also have a separate 3.5mm input so I have one of the smart TVs in the studio connected directly to the Gold 7s for watching RUclips with good accurate sound.
@@TwinCreekAudio Sounds like you are having good all round fun with them! For all the audio equipment I have etc for my personal TV set up its pretty basic hehe. I use spend stupid amounts on my Hifi gear but have now simplified it a lot. I am just about to order the Gold 8’s. I will let you know how I get on.
I think the mixes I've made since getting the Tannoys are a big improvement for the reasons you just mentioned. They are also less fatiguing but the KRKs weren't bad either.
The KRKs are certainly very respectable also. In fact, I'm getting better mixes using KRK RP5G2 than the more expensive Yamaha MSP5 gen I, before that I was using Tannoy Mercury m1 which I think gave me a better mix than the MSP5 also. Now I've been using Eve SC207 for a while and thinking of getting a pair of Tannoy Gold 5 to replace the MSP5.
You have a better balance overall on the Tannoy, I have been interested in the Gold 8s for a while now but all I could find were hi-fi audiophile reviews of them. I'm kind of a studio monitor collector LOL. I gravitate toward having multiple monitors since I track analog and mix in the box. But I think I'll have to grab these now!!
I think the mix with the Tannoys was easier to get right faster and immediately translated to other listening environments. The high end is not so different from the KRKs that it was difficult to get used to. The low end seems to translate even better. I'd love to have the Gold 8s but I went with the 7 due to space limitations and I didn't want to rearrange quite that much. I've been using the Gold 7s for over a month now and getting great results. Unbeatable for the price IMO.
I also like having a lot of monitor choices. I kept the KRKs, I have the NS10s and a pair of small Fostex monitors. I also have some small Realistic speakers and a pair of vintage Pioneer HPM-100s. it's hard to want to collect motors since you are always going to use them for different perspectives.
@@TwinCreekAudioI've been using a Soundcraft MH2 in the studio and I use the monitor matrix as a way to have extra sets of studio monitors. Between the 3 master outs and the 4 Matrix mixes I can have up to 7 sets of monitors at a time running. I mainly use 3 sets. my Bowers & Wilkins 705s my Focal Alpha 8s & a pair of Mackie HR824s. I also have an old pair of Sterling 8s I bought at guitar center which I ripped out the woofer & tweeter and replaced them with a set of older Mackie woofers and aftermarket 1.25 tweeters. I also have a set of 3 ways I purchased back in 1998 from Panasonic (Ramasa) that has since left the pro audio business. Those are a 10 inch woofer a 3 inch mid range and a 1.25 tweeter. those speakers only get used when the client is reviewing a mix because they are loud and they just look really good in my wall. I'm a speaker junkie if you couldn't tell HAHA!!!
Nothing wrong with that at all. Until last week, I had 4 sets of monitors but I finally donated my small Fostex PM04n so now I have 3 sets of monitors along with some great speakers like Pioneer HPM-100s and KLH model 6s. It's always good to have lots of references IMO
tannoy has better impulse reponse because coaxial. So no dephasing btwn woofer and tweeter. Krk are good monitors because the EQ in backside is usefull + they sound not that bad.
I liked my KRKs. I've mixed more than 11 albums on them. The Tannoys are much better for getting an accurate mix. I'm very happy with them. I kept the KRKs and moved them to my bedroom studio. They have been good and reliable for me.
I guess something in the Tannoys made you lift the side instruments to be more at level with the vocals. I'm also guessing that the tannoys are more "blanketed"? Since there's more high-end detail on the guitars, something must've coaxed you to turn that up as well. Overall, there's better balance with the Tannoy mix. I guess that's what those nice monitors do for ya!
I think that's exactly it. The KRKs are a bit bright so with the Tannoys, the highs were easier to hear correctly. I've had the KRKs for years though and they sound good and have been extremely reliable. But these seem to be a big step up and hopefully we'll save time but not having to reference on so many different monitors or in the car etc.
Hey Grady I enjoy watching your channel and I can definitely see that you are making progress along the way. A couple of things that will help elevate your mixes to the next level is to pay very close attention to your tuning on the string instruments and make use of a click track if you are not already doing so. Also don't be afraid to use more room ambience on your guitars to avoid the DI effect in the mix. If your room is not the best option then a short reverb with a little pre delay will do the trick. I'm mostly mix in the box these days because I need recall but your Soundcraft console sounds great and brings back fond memories of when I was mixing on a Soundcraft Ghost.
Thank you! I try to get all clients to use a click track and one was used on this song but the parts sometimes drift a little off the tempo stylistically. The room is pretty dead here in my studio. I will often use a room mic in the hall next to the drum kit for more ambience. On this album, we actually did a lot of reamping in the room but the amps were close miced. We experimented with ribbon mics and a couple of different dynamic mics on the amps. I think the electric guitar solo on this song was tracked with an amp in the studio using a ribbon mic about 8 in from the 10 inch speaker. I think I had a little bit of slap back tape delay courtesy of the NUX Atlantic delay and reverb pedal there was run in the effects loop of the Jet City head. I agree and I need to look for other techniques to get some room ambience on guitar tracks. The room is small so the real difficulty is just finding a place to put an ambient mic on a guitar amp. The room has a little bit of liveness to it but is very controlled making it difficult to get an obvious ambient sound at times. Not everything on the song was tracked at the studio so some of the tuning issues could have been part of the original tracks I was sent for the project I also tend to find bass guitar tuning problems all the time due to how hard to instrument is played and variations in intonation. In fact, I tend to use tuning software on bass more than vocals. I appreciate any and all tips about other techniques that I can use on guitar amps. I really appreciate your comment And adding more natural ambience to guitar sounds is probably something I should make a video about. I would love to hear what kind of techniques you would suggest. Thanks again!
@@TwinCreekAudio On electric guitars a 57 off axis at voice coil along with a ribbon mic 2 to 3 feet from the front of the cabinet works well. It's also a good idea to print a clean DI in case you need to edit or you did not like the sound of the amp. Also dial back the distortion when tracking you can always add more later if needed.
I just saw in another video that you have a Sennheiser 421. Try taping the 421 to an SM57 where the capsules are aligned to avoid phase issues. Place right on the speakers voice coil and adjust to taste. Record the mic's on separate tracks and if the amp is doing its job you have be using the same method that has been used on countless hit records here in Nashville and in LA. Use painters tape to avoid making the mics sticky.
mix is great as usual but if it were me mixing this, I'd turn up the pots a bit more on the vocals (including harmony). Sounds just a little too low in the mix to my ears. I know you're going to hate this, but sounds like you (as most people do) tend to get used to certain speakers after many years of listening as reference monitors ... UPDATE: the mix is actually a bit better overall with those KRK's. The vocal issue seems to be sitting a little nicer in the mix and also a bit brighter (more highs or at least not rolled off high-end sounds like with the other speakers). hope this helps!
It's very helpful. I am definitely more used to the KRKs after using then for more than 15 years. I'm not sure exactly why they are different but I'll keep working with the Tannoys and hopefully be able to get used to them. I kept the KRKs for now too. I have always liked them though I find the low end has been easier to get right with the Tannoys. Thanks again!
@@TwinCreekAudio yes I have the 8 (something) version of the KRK's and I love them also but the low end is (I agree) kinda hard to get right with those things. I find with the KRK's, mixing with them first, then putting on some decent headphones that mimic say for example exaggerated bass response, allows me to get the bass eq and loudness just right. then I go to mastering to fine-tune all of it for that extra "pop" if you will. seems to work for me :)
That makes a lot of sense. That's similar to how I've always used the RP6s. Using them to start out then using headphones or referencing in the car before making a few final adjustments. I use a set of Equation Audio headphones that have good low frequency response but are really neutral sounding. The thing I always loved about the KRKs is that they are not fatiguing to my ears. I'm keeping the RP6s to use in my small setup at home with the Tannoys taking over the studio role along with NS10s.
They have a very nice frequency response with very detailed mids and highs. I have heard things through these when watching videos that sounded like they were right next to me. These are very realistic sounding monitors.
I tried to match them somewhat but I was going more for how the different monitors affected the way I mixed the song. An exact match on an analog mix is a bit difficult to get exactly the same anyway.
I liked my gold 8's but had 2 just go dead on me, so sold my 3rd replacement pair in fear of spending all the time to get to know the speakers and have another one die on me. Im not a huge fan of that whole music tribe company, and also found it quite a pain to talk to anyone there. The replacements were luckily covered by the warranty where I bought them. Its funny because I needed a part for my Aston mic(also music tribe now) and was able to talk to someone thier(although very very slow response time back and forth. I was sad I had to sell them as I did like them. That being said the quality control on the tweeters and how they are glued in was pretty poor on a couple of them too, but dont think that affected the sound in any major way.
I haven't had any issues with the Gold 7 but I understand the dislike of Music Group especially with regards to quality. I have been thinking of switching back to my KRKs also due to comments on mixes I've done with both. I do like the way these sound overall but what's most important is how you mix using them and I might be better at mixing on the KRKs after all. I might have to try some experiments to see.
Hello again) So have u ever heard abou Dmax Audio Super Cubes? Its closed box near field monitors with dsp amp! If ur interesting in it i can make video on Eng)
Thank you so much! I haven't worked with much electronic music in my current studio but I mastered a remix album a few years ago and I do like electronic music a lot. I will look into working with more electronic music in the future. There are usually some electronic sounds in the music I've produced even though the basics are usually drum kit, guitar and bass etc. Check out the Homespun Centaurs Poolside Remix album that I mastered a few years ago. They are more of an organic band and they did the mixes on the album while I just mastered it before it was released.
@@TwinCreekAudio The Homespun Centaurs remix album sounds nice! I´m looking at Tannoys 8", the difference in mixes(vs KRK´s) does exsist but the later Tannoy one feels better. Do you have a contact email? Thanks
I dont know how anybody judge about mixes on these monitors but i can tell what I hear. For me mix on KRK sonds more natural for this kind of music. High mids are more open. Mix on Tanoy have more bass, an there is a boost between 9 and 11 KHz. Ofcourse this depends on what kind of speakers you are listening. But first of all purpose of studio monitors is not to sound good. Their purpose is to sound truthfull in reproducing frequencies (transients too), so that some one can have accurate image in creating mix. In my opinion it is better to train ears and learn some critical dependencies that are vital for good mix than to buy expensive speakers. Speakers alone are not critical point in creating mix. One who uses them is. And for the end if you calibrate monitors they will be truthfull as they can.:):):)
I agree. I have used the KRKs for many years and the difference could easily be that the Tannoys are new to me. I have always liked the KRKs but I did find my mixes didn't translate as well in the low frequencies. I am hoping once I am used to the Tannoys, it will save some time instead of having to reference mixes in several places. I kept the KRKs and they are now in my smaller studio room where I edit video and some mixing and mastering.
@legend Guitar Scale I have had a easier time mixing with the Tannoys. I like the KRKs but I think I will use them for a second reference with the Tannoys being the main monitors.
sorry to bother you again, 1. could you add a subwoofer to these tannoy gold 7 to mix dj music on a terrace? 2. How much power would I need a subwoofer?
You could do that although the Tannoys are designed to be nearfield monitors and wont project as well as a PA or DJ speaker system. I use my indoors in a recording studio. The room is probably 14x24 and they get loud enough in there.
Dumb question. Do you hear music from your tannoy without touching the volume knob. I bought a single unit and when I play music over XLR or audio jack I could hear the music when the volume knob is at -24db. Which means I Have to make sure my volume from source is set low. I tried asking Amazon and couldn't get any useful response. And no response from tannoy.
I control the volume of my monitors with the control room level on the console. The console outputs are +4 nominal level and that works well for me. I am using the TRS inputs on the Gold 7s and also have the 3.5mm connected to my smart TV so I can watch RUclips videos with good quality. I set the monitor volume in the center and control the level from the console. Hope that helps and I'll look more closely at the setting and post what I find soon.
@@TwinCreekAudio so tannoy replied to me with this confirmed my suspicion from the beginning "The minimum value on the GOLD 8 for the volume is -24dB, which does not mean 0. It means it will be 24dB less than the incoming signal. If you want it to be inaudible then you would have to mute the signal being sent to the speaker. Typically studio monitors are not controlled by their own volume control, but by a separate controller. I use GOLD 5s in my home studio/office and I never touch the volume control, it is controlled by my mixer."
@@TwinCreekAudio hello and thanx for review! You said that you're using the TRS inputs on the Gold 7s and also have the 3.5mm connected to your smart TV. Please refine, are they connected in parallel? Сan you hear sound from theese two sources at the same time?
@@sasha_akntvthank you! I haven't tried using both at the same time but I assume they would sum together. I haven't noticed any other noise added or anything.
@@TwinCreekAudio so, both cables are connected at the same time, right? It's just written in the manual that it is allowed to connect two balanced sources at the same time (XLR+TRS). And nothing about unbalanced aux :) I have theese Tannoys but afraid to damage them by incorrect connection to 2 different sources
I've been pretty happy with the Tannoys. This was one of the first mixes I did with them so it could be that I was not used to them. I did keep the KRKs though. I move them to my smaller bedroom setup. I think the newer mixes I have done on the gold 7s have come out better. They are a lot different than the KRKs and took some getting used to.
It depends on what style of music. You probably don't need one for rock or country but maybe so for R&B or dance music. I have a small cheap Dayton 8" powered sub I never use and a KRK 10S that I also tend not to use but the KRK sounds really good.
I create meditative/shamanic/nordic/ancient music using old instruments such as didgeridoos, drums, percussions, flutes of all kind, cristal singing bowls and more, I’m still fairly new to mixing and mastering but I find it hard to mix something I cant hear very well hehe
@@maximeheberttalbot4505 wow! That is really interesting and I'm sure you enjoy it. I think the Tannoys should so a good job since the instruments you are recording need a lot of detail. You could always add a decent subwoofer if you feel like you need it.
They are rated at 300 watts. They would work for that purpose but might be a bit light in bass, underpowered for outdoors and really aren't designed for DJ or live sound. These are designed to be extremely accurate in their sound reproduction for the recording studio environment. You don't really need accurate sound reproduction at this level of expense for DJing. What you would want for DJing is something with a lot of raw power and a lot more sub low end. A good set of live sound speakers and subwoofers either with built-in amps or with separate power amps is your best bet.There are much better choices than studio monitors for less money for that purpose.
@@_Davyid_ something like those Electro Voice 12s would do really well. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZLX12BT--electro-voice-zlx-12bt-1000w-12-inch-powered-speaker-with-bluetooth There's a lot of options and on the less expensive side, you can find Behringer powered speakers that are actually pretty good too. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/B115D--behringer-eurolive-b115d-1000w-15-inch-powered-speaker Those are 15s as well. Alto also makes them. Mackie and QSC too if you higher end stuff
@@_Davyid_ it would work fine if you don't need stereo. It will still sound good either way. The EV looks really good to me. Good quality too so it should be reliable and powerful
It's called Tiny Little Reasons from Homespun Centaurs latest album, Threeve. It just came out in September 2021 and I think this video is pretty close to the final mix that was released. I produced and mixed that entire album as well as their first 2 albums. Great band! Heath is a great songwriter.
I only have 2 right now. Ive had a few others here before and I tried to make videos about them while I had them. Some I have borrowed and some I bought and sold. I got one for free and after I made videos about it, I donated it. I still have the Topaz and the big Soundcraft Sapphyre here. The Tannoy Gold 7s are really great! I am finding that it's easy to get a good mix using them. Thank you!
@@TwinCreekAudio i m looking forward for your video especially the console and hardware stuff and mixing 😍😍thank you.i love console and hardware so much,that is how the old favorite songs of us recorded and mixed
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Nice mixes, Man. Love sound you got on those acoustic guitar tracks that you bounced thru FX.
Thank you! I think I used the Louder Than Liftoff Royal Blue colour modules on them.
I listened with Audio Technica AthM50x and Sony WH1000xm4 Anc , i think with Tannoys more good and balanced than original record, bass level up, more warm sound. Btw especially instrument music so nice.
Thank you! I have had very good luck with the Tannoys. They are really detailed and accurate.
Gold 7s are perfect. A pair of Gold 7s and Neumann KH310s in my studio 🥳
I love them! I use the Gold 7s and pair of NS10s.
The Tannoys produce a far superior vocal and these punch through due to the near perfect linear setup of the sound and this flat set up means your mix will just sound as pure to the mix as possible meaning the whole sound is as you intended. The KRK’S are no way near as clear and defined, the vocals are much quieter and the music sound harmonics are not as true, lot more quieter but also means the ends are too punchy in the highs. These Tannoys probably the best value speakers or near field monitors in the world absolutely amazing value and superb sound.
They have really improved my mixes and they are easy to listen to for long mixing sessions. The quality is really good too.
@@TwinCreekAudio I can imagine. I have a full blown professional set up and use top of the range Focal speakers 1 x quad 2 x pairs - but I am very impressed with these and I am considering buying a pair. Tannoy has an impressive pedigree in speaker sound. Acoustics is largely based on the room, shape, size and what the room consists off. The more expensive speakers have to often over compensate to give a purer sound signal reflection. Often paying for overkill can pay off but I am so sick of these rip-off costs. The amps tend to be always mediocre at best and the cones average and when your paying 1000s for once monitor I expect much better value for money. When I look at the Tannoy Golds I am super impressed. I do not think in my huge studio I would have an issue with this. Glad you are getting the best out of them as sound regardless is subjective. I do a lot of proper Mastering and creating sound signatures I think these might be a hidden treasure. 😀
I wasn't sure what to expect when I got these. I knew Tannoy's reputation and a good friend of mine uses them in his studio and spoke highly of how well they translate. I have had my studio in one form or another since 2004 and these are the single biggest improvement to how my mixes sound in all that time. Other improvements have been more incremental as far as the results are concerned. These also have a separate 3.5mm input so I have one of the smart TVs in the studio connected directly to the Gold 7s for watching RUclips with good accurate sound.
@@TwinCreekAudio Sounds like you are having good all round fun with them! For all the audio equipment I have etc for my personal TV set up its pretty basic hehe. I use spend stupid amounts on my Hifi gear but have now simplified it a lot. I am just about to order the Gold 8’s. I will let you know how I get on.
@@leetronix excellent! I hope they work well for you.
Vocals sounded more forward with the mix with Tannoy. Sounded less muddy also.
I think the mixes I've made since getting the Tannoys are a big improvement for the reasons you just mentioned. They are also less fatiguing but the KRKs weren't bad either.
The KRKs are certainly very respectable also. In fact, I'm getting better mixes using KRK RP5G2 than the more expensive Yamaha MSP5 gen I, before that I was using Tannoy Mercury m1 which I think gave me a better mix than the MSP5 also. Now I've been using Eve SC207 for a while and thinking of getting a pair of Tannoy Gold 5 to replace the MSP5.
I liked the krk miss , tight low end
I still have the first Gen RP6s. I might sell the Tannoys but might keep both and sell my NS10s.
You have a better balance overall on the Tannoy, I have been interested in the Gold 8s for a while now but all I could find were hi-fi audiophile reviews of them. I'm kind of a studio monitor collector LOL. I gravitate toward having multiple monitors since I track analog and mix in the box. But I think I'll have to grab these now!!
I think the mix with the Tannoys was easier to get right faster and immediately translated to other listening environments. The high end is not so different from the KRKs that it was difficult to get used to. The low end seems to translate even better. I'd love to have the Gold 8s but I went with the 7 due to space limitations and I didn't want to rearrange quite that much. I've been using the Gold 7s for over a month now and getting great results. Unbeatable for the price IMO.
I also like having a lot of monitor choices. I kept the KRKs, I have the NS10s and a pair of small Fostex monitors. I also have some small Realistic speakers and a pair of vintage Pioneer HPM-100s. it's hard to want to collect motors since you are always going to use them for different perspectives.
@@TwinCreekAudioI've been using a Soundcraft MH2 in the studio and I use the monitor matrix as a way to have extra sets of studio monitors. Between the 3 master outs and the 4 Matrix mixes I can have up to 7 sets of monitors at a time running. I mainly use 3 sets. my Bowers & Wilkins 705s my Focal Alpha 8s & a pair of Mackie HR824s. I also have an old pair of Sterling 8s I bought at guitar center which I ripped out the woofer & tweeter and replaced them with a set of older Mackie woofers and aftermarket 1.25 tweeters. I also have a set of 3 ways I purchased back in 1998 from Panasonic (Ramasa) that has since left the pro audio business. Those are a 10 inch woofer a 3 inch mid range and a 1.25 tweeter. those speakers only get used when the client is reviewing a mix because they are loud and they just look really good in my wall. I'm a speaker junkie if you couldn't tell HAHA!!!
Nothing wrong with that at all. Until last week, I had 4 sets of monitors but I finally donated my small Fostex PM04n so now I have 3 sets of monitors along with some great speakers like Pioneer HPM-100s and KLH model 6s. It's always good to have lots of references IMO
tannoy has better impulse reponse because coaxial. So no dephasing btwn woofer and tweeter. Krk are good monitors because the EQ in backside is usefull + they sound not that bad.
I liked my KRKs. I've mixed more than 11 albums on them. The Tannoys are much better for getting an accurate mix. I'm very happy with them. I kept the KRKs and moved them to my bedroom studio. They have been good and reliable for me.
No grill!!! Tannoy mix for me. I listen on Tannoy little reds.
I love these new Tannoys. I like the older ones a lot too.
I guess something in the Tannoys made you lift the side instruments to be more at level with the vocals. I'm also guessing that the tannoys are more "blanketed"? Since there's more high-end detail on the guitars, something must've coaxed you to turn that up as well. Overall, there's better balance with the Tannoy mix. I guess that's what those nice monitors do for ya!
I think that's exactly it. The KRKs are a bit bright so with the Tannoys, the highs were easier to hear correctly. I've had the KRKs for years though and they sound good and have been extremely reliable. But these seem to be a big step up and hopefully we'll save time but not having to reference on so many different monitors or in the car etc.
@@TwinCreekAudio I guess just watch out if the tannoys aren't hiding any painful sibilance!
Hey Grady I enjoy watching your channel and I can definitely see that you are making progress along the way. A couple of things that will help elevate your mixes to the next level is to pay very close attention to your tuning on the string instruments and make use of a click track if you are not already doing so. Also don't be afraid to use more room ambience on your guitars to avoid the DI effect in the mix. If your room is not the best option then a short reverb with a little pre delay will do the trick. I'm mostly mix in the box these days because I need recall but your Soundcraft console sounds great and brings back fond memories of when I was mixing on a Soundcraft Ghost.
Thank you! I try to get all clients to use a click track and one was used on this song but the parts sometimes drift a little off the tempo stylistically. The room is pretty dead here in my studio. I will often use a room mic in the hall next to the drum kit for more ambience. On this album, we actually did a lot of reamping in the room but the amps were close miced. We experimented with ribbon mics and a couple of different dynamic mics on the amps. I think the electric guitar solo on this song was tracked with an amp in the studio using a ribbon mic about 8 in from the 10 inch speaker. I think I had a little bit of slap back tape delay courtesy of the NUX Atlantic delay and reverb pedal there was run in the effects loop of the Jet City head. I agree and I need to look for other techniques to get some room ambience on guitar tracks. The room is small so the real difficulty is just finding a place to put an ambient mic on a guitar amp. The room has a little bit of liveness to it but is very controlled making it difficult to get an obvious ambient sound at times. Not everything on the song was tracked at the studio so some of the tuning issues could have been part of the original tracks I was sent for the project I also tend to find bass guitar tuning problems all the time due to how hard to instrument is played and variations in intonation. In fact, I tend to use tuning software on bass more than vocals. I appreciate any and all tips about other techniques that I can use on guitar amps. I really appreciate your comment And adding more natural ambience to guitar sounds is probably something I should make a video about. I would love to hear what kind of techniques you would suggest. Thanks again!
@@TwinCreekAudio On electric guitars a 57 off axis at voice coil along with a ribbon mic 2 to 3 feet from the front of the cabinet works well. It's also a good idea to print a clean DI in case you need to edit or you did not like the sound of the amp. Also dial back the distortion when tracking you can always add more later if needed.
I just saw in another video that you have a Sennheiser 421. Try taping the 421 to an SM57 where the capsules are aligned to avoid phase issues. Place right on the speakers voice coil and adjust to taste. Record the mic's on separate tracks and if the amp is doing its job you have be using the same method that has been used on countless hit records here in Nashville and in LA. Use painters tape to avoid making the mics sticky.
mix is great as usual but if it were me mixing this, I'd turn up the pots a bit more on the vocals (including harmony). Sounds just a little too low in the mix to my ears. I know you're going to hate this, but sounds like you (as most people do) tend to get used to certain speakers after many years of listening as reference monitors ... UPDATE: the mix is actually a bit better overall with those KRK's. The vocal issue seems to be sitting a little nicer in the mix and also a bit brighter (more highs or at least not rolled off high-end sounds like with the other speakers). hope this helps!
It's very helpful. I am definitely more used to the KRKs after using then for more than 15 years. I'm not sure exactly why they are different but I'll keep working with the Tannoys and hopefully be able to get used to them. I kept the KRKs for now too. I have always liked them though I find the low end has been easier to get right with the Tannoys. Thanks again!
@@TwinCreekAudio yes I have the 8 (something) version of the KRK's and I love them also but the low end is (I agree) kinda hard to get right with those things. I find with the KRK's, mixing with them first, then putting on some decent headphones that mimic say for example exaggerated bass response, allows me to get the bass eq and loudness just right. then I go to mastering to fine-tune all of it for that extra "pop" if you will. seems to work for me :)
That makes a lot of sense. That's similar to how I've always used the RP6s. Using them to start out then using headphones or referencing in the car before making a few final adjustments. I use a set of Equation Audio headphones that have good low frequency response but are really neutral sounding. The thing I always loved about the KRKs is that they are not fatiguing to my ears. I'm keeping the RP6s to use in my small setup at home with the Tannoys taking over the studio role along with NS10s.
Hello! Tell me, do they not have a lot of high frequencies? how's the bass? I want to buy these for myself now.
They have a very nice frequency response with very detailed mids and highs. I have heard things through these when watching videos that sounded like they were right next to me. These are very realistic sounding monitors.
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Thank you!
They are already in my room :)
Love the Tannoy mix, but it's also panned differently. Less stereo in the guitars
I tried to match them somewhat but I was going more for how the different monitors affected the way I mixed the song. An exact match on an analog mix is a bit difficult to get exactly the same anyway.
I liked my gold 8's but had 2 just go dead on me, so sold my 3rd replacement pair in fear of spending all the time to get to know the speakers and have another one die on me. Im not a huge fan of that whole music tribe company, and also found it quite a pain to talk to anyone there. The replacements were luckily covered by the warranty where I bought them. Its funny because I needed a part for my Aston mic(also music tribe now) and was able to talk to someone thier(although very very slow response time back and forth. I was sad I had to sell them as I did like them. That being said the quality control on the tweeters and how they are glued in was pretty poor on a couple of them too, but dont think that affected the sound in any major way.
I haven't had any issues with the Gold 7 but I understand the dislike of Music Group especially with regards to quality. I have been thinking of switching back to my KRKs also due to comments on mixes I've done with both. I do like the way these sound overall but what's most important is how you mix using them and I might be better at mixing on the KRKs after all. I might have to try some experiments to see.
Good sound!!!!
Thank you! I love these monitors!
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So have u ever heard abou Dmax Audio Super Cubes? Its closed box near field monitors with dsp amp! If ur interesting in it i can make video on Eng)
I have not heard much about them but they sound very interesting. Please let me know if you make a video. Thank you!
@@TwinCreekAudio i have video on my channel, but its on russian. So, on this or next week ill make video on Eng. With info about this monitors
Thanks for the video! Good stuff!
Have you ever mixed electronic music with your current setup?If yes, can you link some?
Thanks
Thank you so much! I haven't worked with much electronic music in my current studio but I mastered a remix album a few years ago and I do like electronic music a lot. I will look into working with more electronic music in the future. There are usually some electronic sounds in the music I've produced even though the basics are usually drum kit, guitar and bass etc. Check out the Homespun Centaurs Poolside Remix album that I mastered a few years ago. They are more of an organic band and they did the mixes on the album while I just mastered it before it was released.
@@TwinCreekAudio The Homespun Centaurs remix album sounds nice!
I´m looking at Tannoys 8", the difference in mixes(vs KRK´s) does exsist but the later Tannoy one feels better.
Do you have a contact email?
Thanks
@@kresimirsokre6536 thank you! grady@twinceeekaudio.com
I dont know how anybody judge about mixes on these monitors but i can tell what I hear. For me mix on KRK sonds more natural for this kind of music. High mids are more open. Mix on Tanoy have more bass, an there is a boost between 9 and 11 KHz. Ofcourse this depends on what kind of speakers you are listening. But first of all purpose of studio monitors is not to sound good. Their purpose is to sound truthfull in reproducing frequencies (transients too), so that some one can have accurate image in creating mix. In my opinion it is better to train ears and learn some critical dependencies that are vital for good mix than to buy expensive speakers. Speakers alone are not critical point in creating mix. One who uses them is. And for the end if you calibrate monitors they will be truthfull as they can.:):):)
I agree. I have used the KRKs for many years and the difference could easily be that the Tannoys are new to me. I have always liked the KRKs but I did find my mixes didn't translate as well in the low frequencies. I am hoping once I am used to the Tannoys, it will save some time instead of having to reference mixes in several places. I kept the KRKs and they are now in my smaller studio room where I edit video and some mixing and mastering.
@legend Guitar Scale I have had a easier time mixing with the Tannoys. I like the KRKs but I think I will use them for a second reference with the Tannoys being the main monitors.
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Thank you! I love music and producing and I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
i lov the way how u mix..
Genial el vídeo lástima aquí no venden esos monitores
Maybe they will sell them there sometime. The company is part of Music group which is also Behringer and maybe will sell worldwide?
sorry to bother you again,
1. could you add a subwoofer to these tannoy gold 7 to mix dj music on a terrace?
2. How much power would I need a subwoofer?
You could do that although the Tannoys are designed to be nearfield monitors and wont project as well as a PA or DJ speaker system. I use my indoors in a recording studio. The room is probably 14x24 and they get loud enough in there.
@@TwinCreekAudio thanks !!
Dumb question. Do you hear music from your tannoy without touching the volume knob. I bought a single unit and when I play music over XLR or audio jack I could hear the music when the volume knob is at -24db. Which means I Have to make sure my volume from source is set low. I tried asking Amazon and couldn't get any useful response. And no response from tannoy.
I control the volume of my monitors with the control room level on the console. The console outputs are +4 nominal level and that works well for me. I am using the TRS inputs on the Gold 7s and also have the 3.5mm connected to my smart TV so I can watch RUclips videos with good quality. I set the monitor volume in the center and control the level from the console. Hope that helps and I'll look more closely at the setting and post what I find soon.
@@TwinCreekAudio so tannoy replied to me with this confirmed my suspicion from the beginning
"The minimum value on the GOLD 8 for the volume is -24dB, which does not mean 0. It means it will be 24dB less than the incoming signal. If you want it to be inaudible then you would have to mute the signal being sent to the speaker.
Typically studio monitors are not controlled by their own volume control, but by a separate controller. I use GOLD 5s in my home studio/office and I never touch the volume control, it is controlled by my mixer."
@@TwinCreekAudio hello and thanx for review! You said that you're using the TRS inputs on the Gold 7s and also have the 3.5mm connected to your smart TV. Please refine, are they connected in parallel? Сan you hear sound from theese two sources at the same time?
@@sasha_akntvthank you! I haven't tried using both at the same time but I assume they would sum together. I haven't noticed any other noise added or anything.
@@TwinCreekAudio so, both cables are connected at the same time, right? It's just written in the manual that it is allowed to connect two balanced sources at the same time (XLR+TRS). And nothing about unbalanced aux :) I have theese Tannoys but afraid to damage them by incorrect connection to 2 different sources
your mix sounds way better with KRK monitors, much easier on ears, warm and nice, while tannoy are annoying, prob how they got name
I've been pretty happy with the Tannoys. This was one of the first mixes I did with them so it could be that I was not used to them. I did keep the KRKs though. I move them to my smaller bedroom setup. I think the newer mixes I have done on the gold 7s have come out better. They are a lot different than the KRKs and took some getting used to.
I own the Tannoys, but I’m now looking for a studio subwoofer, what qould you recommend? Do I really need one?
It depends on what style of music. You probably don't need one for rock or country but maybe so for R&B or dance music. I have a small cheap Dayton 8" powered sub I never use and a KRK 10S that I also tend not to use but the KRK sounds really good.
I create meditative/shamanic/nordic/ancient music using old instruments such as didgeridoos, drums, percussions, flutes of all kind, cristal singing bowls and more, I’m still fairly new to mixing and mastering but I find it hard to mix something I cant hear very well hehe
@@maximeheberttalbot4505 wow! That is really interesting and I'm sure you enjoy it. I think the Tannoys should so a good job since the instruments you are recording need a lot of detail. You could always add a decent subwoofer if you feel like you need it.
can the tannoy 7 be used to mix music on a terrace as a dj?
How many watts rms do the 7 have?
They are rated at 300 watts. They would work for that purpose but might be a bit light in bass, underpowered for outdoors and really aren't designed for DJ or live sound. These are designed to be extremely accurate in their sound reproduction for the recording studio environment. You don't really need accurate sound reproduction at this level of expense for DJing. What you would want for DJing is something with a lot of raw power and a lot more sub low end. A good set of live sound speakers and subwoofers either with built-in amps or with separate power amps is your best bet.There are much better choices than studio monitors for less money for that purpose.
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If you are so kind, what options do you recommend for that purpose?
@@_Davyid_ something like those Electro Voice 12s would do really well.
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ZLX12BT--electro-voice-zlx-12bt-1000w-12-inch-powered-speaker-with-bluetooth
There's a lot of options and on the less expensive side, you can find Behringer powered speakers that are actually pretty good too.
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/B115D--behringer-eurolive-b115d-1000w-15-inch-powered-speaker
Those are 15s as well. Alto also makes them. Mackie and QSC too if you higher end stuff
@@TwinCreekAudio would a single electro voice speaker be enough?
@@_Davyid_ it would work fine if you don't need stereo. It will still sound good either way. The EV looks really good to me. Good quality too so it should be reliable and powerful
I was wondering what song it is at 8:35?
It's called Tiny Little Reasons from Homespun Centaurs latest album, Threeve. It just came out in September 2021 and I think this video is pretty close to the final mix that was released. I produced and mixed that entire album as well as their first 2 albums. Great band! Heath is a great songwriter.
@@TwinCreekAudio Thank you for the exhaustive reply, I'll look for it.
How many console you have?🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻😍 Amazing monitor 🤩🤩
I only have 2 right now. Ive had a few others here before and I tried to make videos about them while I had them. Some I have borrowed and some I bought and sold. I got one for free and after I made videos about it, I donated it. I still have the Topaz and the big Soundcraft Sapphyre here. The Tannoy Gold 7s are really great! I am finding that it's easy to get a good mix using them. Thank you!
@@TwinCreekAudio i m looking forward for your video especially the console and hardware stuff and mixing 😍😍thank you.i love console and hardware so much,that is how the old favorite songs of us recorded and mixed