Here's video 2 on our commentary of Tien Shan Pai Kungfu: ruclips.net/video/14ocFxtdACA/видео.html Again, please go to the description to see the links to all the stuff we critiqued. The sparring starts at 0:23, thanks Clinton Harris for making me remember to do that. Members from the school have contacted me and given me more information: The rules/General rule of thumb there at the dojo sparring are; 1. Respect the dojo and the people, zero ruff housing and nor Blatant over aggressive behavior. 2. verbal contract, some people kind of go hard, most of the time people don’t mostly 100% speed 0% power 3. light sparring because most people that I come there are there to test out different moves. 4. Anything does usually go unless somebody says they have a pre-existing injury, from head shots to ground game besides Groin shots and Eye gouge LOL are allowed obviously. The Main purpose of the sparring club is to exchange peacefully of information and personal development for the Martial Arts community, which is funny more places need to be like this. The first guy is the shifu of the school shifu Sean disciple of Great Dennis Brown, the guy he sparring is taekwondo mix with kickboxing. The second guy in the Goku outfit trains in Muay Tai and other Martial Arts. The tall guy in the red pants is another kung fu practitioner. We will feature more of Tien Shan Pai soon. Here's their channel if you didn't read the description: ruclips.net/channel/UCJSlGd6orxzo4Tzpbp1VtYw
My uncle did TSP. Trained police in Upper Marlboro, taught at local boxing gyms as well. Also exchanged a lot with Lloyd Irvine, before he blew up in BJJ. It was a good scene in the 80s with TSP. Those lei tai kungfu tournaments in Maryland and New York back then were BRUTAL. Still some of the best footage on RUclips. Not quite like San Da, but, effective.
This is so true, those people are usually the ones who think sparring is a real fight then when trying to take your head off get salty when you up the ante.
My Silat teacher studied Tian Shan Pai Kung Fu and I've also encountered a TSP school in Chinatown, DC. I'm surprised that such an obscure style got featured on this channel, but good on them for pressure testing their fighting!
@@FightCommentary Fuo Shan Wu Ying Jiao! (mandarin) or Fo Shan Mo Yun Guh! (cantonese) (not sure if i'm spelling it right in english, can't write chinese, can only understand mandarin audibly). Jet Li's portrayal is definitely one of my fav's of wong fei hong.
The reason that they shout from the sidelines is becasue they see patterns in the opponents behaviors that are showing weakness. If your couch shouts out "upper cut" than you may look out for the opponents pattern that would allow for that upper cut. When they are shouting they don't expect an immediate upper cut because obviously everyone can hear that. Instead they are helping him recognize a pattern that he may not be seeing and his opponent probably doesn't even know that they are leaving themselves open. So if you go in for a jab and both his hands come up, you know that he isn't expecting the upper cut and it's go time!
The Tian Shan I've seen is a southern system that I believe originally migrated from the Xinjiang area sometime in the late 1700's to early 1800's. It has a very distinct southern Chinese martial arts flavor. The closest I've seen to it are the 5 ancestor/Wuzuquan systems that passed into Malaysia/Singapore from Fujian. It does not appear to have been taught widely.
You can't beat the angles in Tienshinhan Kung Fu. It is the only art where a triangle makes a square. Fighting them feels like they have 4 arms. Punches are easily blocked by their massive shoulders. I've heard if their shoulders get any bigger.....
@@FightCommentary Tien Shinhan is the three-eyed human character in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z The jokes the second person was making we're from the fan parody of Dragon Ball, Team Four Star: ruclips.net/video/OK6uu-b2pgQ/видео.html That's kind of a compilation of the parody, but... You get the point. Skip about 45 seconds to get past the intro and into the funny stuff.
So this is why I've been seeing a small increase in views lately hahaha. Would love to come on your channel and answer any questions you have man. Just message me!
This is so weird. Those Wuxia novels/comics always intrigued me because the usually involve some dude coming back to earth from transcending to the fourth dimension or some shit. However, this looks like its decently reality based. Sparring like this definitely helps a TON. I like it.
@@danielquezada9902 Yeah, Wuxia is "pugilist," Xianxia is like "demigods" type stuff ;) And then there's ancient Shenhua "like folktales or mythical tales" type stuff like Monkey King and Nezha. Usually, the Wuxia, Xianxia stuff takes inspiration from Shenhua and history.
@@FightCommentary You should do an episode on Wuxia novels. I believe it promoted the whole Buddhidharma and shaolin myth in the early century. (That kung fu was started by Buddhidharma myth).
I’m a TSP student in Maryland and what I can tell you is that it is/has evolved into a hybrid style. While it does place focus on traditional forms, we do light and hard sparring and compete with fighters that train MMA and Muay Thai. As a student of the style I would call it a mix of traditional Kung Fu and Sanda
Also a TSP student from Cincinnati, can confirm. I'm currently training for a kickboxing tournament coming up, and hoping that it doesn't get cancelled. Also planning on competing in Lei Tai at next year's tournaments.
I believe the cornerman on the right at 7:31 is Arlanzo Harper, a former champion of Guoshu lei tai at the US International Kuo Shu Championship Tournament, here's a clip of one of his fights: ruclips.net/video/ujlXIF9I8Uo/видео.html
I wish my city had a sparring club like the one in Maryland ❤ It looked so respectful, and people were into learning and actively practicing their martial arts. It looked like bliss ❤
When I was a kid around 7-8 years old I was a student in TSP. I remember being put in this group of 4 or 5 other kids and we were separated from the others. We were learning something else (TSP). And while they learned how to punch and kick we learned unique forms of striking and these explosive movements. As well as each of us learning different kata. I was advancing very quickly and jumped from white belt to a decided yellow belt (D) within the span of a few months. I never got to advance because the dojo closed for some unknown reason. It wasn’t because of funding, there were a ton of students. Anyways I learned the fundamentals of fighting from TSP, not only physically but mentally. This style is a real style of kung fu. I remember this style concentrated on speed and distraction, and moving to the opponent’s right or left side while avoiding standing in front of them for some reason (I genuinely cannot tell you why). All I know is this style is not brand new. It was in 2008 or so when I was a student, and my sensei was in his 30s I believe.
Finally, we dug so deep we found pressure-tested (or testing), traditional, cool sounding Kung Fu. Good job FCB, now I can rest in peace. Also, check out Ng Ga Kuen, a big kung fu branch in Northern Mexico.
There's a hell of a lot more than this sparring video. Check out Lei Tai sometime, it's a full contact fighting ruleset used in tournaments for Kung Fu practitioners. It's nowhere near as popular as it should be, and certainly not as popular as Sanda, but it's still pretty cool. The USKSF is the biggest organization I know of that does these fighting tournaments.
Tien Shan Pai,Celestial Mountain Style. The Style is name from it's location in Heaven's Mountains or Celestial Mountain the Tien Shan Mountain range in China. I have trained in Tien Shan Pai in a different country. You can can find my Facebook Link in my channel description.
Seeing some shoulder butts! That competitive match looked like the fighters had exchanged some harsh words. Was impressed by TSP guy though. Each time he was in the pocket he fought out of the corner and took center control back.
Tien Shen Pai literally translates to "Northern Celestial Mountain" Kung-Fu. It is in fact, a real and ancient style of Kung-Fu, from the northern region of China. I've studied this for years.
sparring kung fu guy clearly loves the fact that he has an answer for every slow and weak offense. i'm guessing he mostly spars against children and old ladies. also guessing taekwondo guy didn't get invited back, because it was harder to find those answers
@@FightCommentary Actually that's what the guy shouted in one of your videos. The one where some asswipe challenged an MMA guy and got his ass totally kicked.
Small correction, Tien Shan Pai does have a lot of history to it, and is a very popular system of Chinese Martial Arts that is taught around the world, but is most common in the US and Taiwan. Like any Chinese martial art, it has a pretty contested history because there's really no way to verify its founding legend, since so much information on temples and martial arts in general was lost throughout China's history. It is a very real martial art though, it's not just a name this guy came up with for branding. Nowadays it's a mostly composite system. Whether you think it was ever anything other than that depends on whether you believe its founding legend. It does have a pretty good reputation when it comes to training fighters though.
neat. Reminds me of Jackie Chan or Lei Wulong. A lot of that kung fu-ness seemed to disappear in the kickboxing match though. I wonder if that's just the pressure of a match that counts compared to sparring?
It's completely mythical Taiwan marketing. The system is a Nanjing Central Kuoshu Institute Northern Longfist system. They're not full sparring by the way. They're "play sparring". Very friendly casual sparring. All the schools along the East Coast do full contact.
Fight Commentary Breakdowns: Hey, it's me Steven again, the guy in the Orange overalls (Who backed up into the tree) from back when you first started commenting on peoples sparring. I've got some sparring footage here. My older brothers a bit of a street tough type lad but he wanted me to show him some ropes in MMA. He wanted to have a sparring match with me, just without the head contact and sticking to stand up. So I had my wife film it. I'm not going full contact and I'm kind of prompting him through it. Before we had this sparring match he was one of those "No rules in a street fight kind of guy" but I think this was pretty educational for him. Please give it a watch. Let me know what you think. ruclips.net/video/Sgd4mZCmzUU/видео.html
@@FightCommentary No problem. He's actually started coming round a bit to get training. Been working with him to improve his striking and grappling. Been a lot of fun man just getting through all this having helped someone improve.
I have practiced tien shan for 2 decades. It is a very practical style. These types of matches prove nothing. It matters if you are attacked in the real world. The only thing matters if that you walk away and your attacker is dead on the ground.
I use to train TSP kung fu, it helped me with my stand-up game.... they got great instructors there that know Sanda (Chinese Kickboxing), which is what I use when practicing MMA. If you want to see a badass TSP dude...check out Willy "The Bam" Johnson.
@oktopustrainer It does.They have posted some decent ones on here(not many). Latino dude from Practical Combat(Sergio I think),is pretty good too, Watch him spar "Icey Mike"MMA stylists.Likewise there are Wing Chun vs Karate spars on the Tube that are good too.When I say good I mean effective, yet advocating tenets of the Kung fu style. NOT just kickboxing.
@@greatestmartialartist2154 Nah.It CAN BE,but often the Angles are more varied from tools such as Crescent kicks,Hook kicks,sweeps,oblique or sidestamp kicks,palm Heel strikes, Knife hand, Ridge Hand,Hammer swings(downward punch) And Vertical Fist(in Jabs as well as power punch.) To be sure,there are other systems that use these too BUT these ARE also indicative of Kung Fu..... AGAIN I say go to "Fight commentary " channel archives and More 80s'-90's matches. Many had a DIFFERENT look than kickboxing.
@@bronzetiger3837 bro I am that fighter , I was like 16 17, dude was in his 20s and weighed 30 more pounds than me. I won that fight and the next , I'm telling you , all that stuff is irrelevant in the fight , kung fu has kick and punches to as well has unique techniques ,how many boxers you see dodging 21 punches or doing the rope adope,but if you do want to see more of my ghetto kung fu look up my page
@@greatestmartialartist2154 The "Ghetto fu" Dude was the Tall guy with Gi on. The Older guy with the Muscular young dude actually look like decent Martial Artists. Mad Respect though first off for ALL that thread the Martial Path. I too have tested my Art(oftimes on street due to Brashness of youth😂) As I grow older I just love the idea of being Skilled and Displaying against like folk. I DO THINK THOUGH that it takes an EXTRA EFFORT and Longtime or Diligent Training to "transcend " the typical "Bad kickboxing".phase that most Artists languish in. It's like you stated,How many times does one actually see" the Rope A Dope🤔. Likewise many of the fight maneuvers of Mayweathers' Shell(done that well) Or Lomachenko's ANGULAR motion.Such mastery takes Talent and Diligence. FUNNY NOTE, Famed trainer TEDDY ATLAS actually thinks LOMACHENKOS' MOTION AND some "hand over the top hand "moves are a lot like Kung Fu.🤔....I agree. Thanks for listening.
We used to have full out fight nights. Just no elbows or knees to the head. Had some pretty awesome fights. A little too much for me in the end. I’m sensitive. 😉
5:35 The shirtless guy needs to work on footwork. His feet are mostly planted flat thru out the bout. He punches using only upper body which is why he gas out so fast. Seriously, I wana kick his trainer for allowing him fight at his current level.
Not bad but the older guy has his hands down the entire time. He isnt bad just kind of old and slower and not too much power in the rotation. But nevertheless if you spar in your art you will improve.
Boxing gloves and martial arts just do not mix. Boxers make it look good but for some reason when you watch videos of greats like Joe Lewis and Bill Wallace they look like amateurs fighting with big ol gloves on.
@@FightCommentary any vocal exercise can be practiced wherever we are; that's the beauty of it. Shopping, cleaning, walking, training etc. We can make it happen. I recommend teas with ginger or lemon to help keep your vocal chords warm.
Lol Black lives Matter, don't be a hater. And yes its kick boxing, anything involving kicking and punching is know as kick boxing. But black lives matter.
the white kickboxer trying to touch gloves then the other/main fighter suckerpunhes him har right at the beginning. quite disgusting and unsportlike...
@dan b ...ever stop to think that's because all of the basic techniques are exactly the same in every art, and that most fighting comes down to the basics? A roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick, no matter if you practice kickboxing, TKD, Kung Fu, or Silat.
Thats no better then dancing. Real testing involves connecting with punches pulling punches teaches bad behavior an turning your back to someone is asking to get yourself knocked out
The "kung fu" guys head movement is sloppy which is being generous he doesn't have any kind of guard up and he moves like he's trying to hypnotize his opponent!😂😃😉
That low lead hand is in position to hook-catch kicks; that's common in martial arts that focus a lot around throwing kicks, especially a lot of high kicks toward the head. You'll note than when the range closes, that lead hand comes back up into a more boxing style guard. The Kung Fu guy has weak legs and a weak core/back though. He's slouching a bit whenever he drops his center mass, so he couldn't actually hook-catch an incoming kick. ------ It looks to me like he is a relative novice at Kung Fu. He isn't quite comfortable. He often backs up when he doesn't need to because he sees "something" the opponent might be trying to do. It's like a flinch response for him to back away. Backing away works against 100% of melee range techniques. But it's not martial arts, it's what you do to reset when your martial art will fail you. Consider boxing. You throw your combo, but at some point your target is more poised to throw a punch than you. Rather than continue to box, you just dance out of range to reset (or in competition you clinch so the ref will reset things for you). This guy is resetting too much and just looking to get in cheap shot moves that ocassionally work from a neutral position. He knows the moves but seems to not know the style. Maybe I am too critical here? He does have some nice sequences here and there. ------ Muay Thai vs Kung Fu is a rough fight. Muay Thai's leg kicks and clinches aren't something that Kung Fu trains to defend against, traditionally. But there isn't much in Kung Fu that Muay Thai hasn't seen some version of before, so when they meet there's always a relevant experience difference. Kung Fu's main advantage is being able to stick to a target that is backing away, where Muay Thai requires the target is trying to stand and fight you -- not relevant in a contest the way it is in an actual fight. Props to this guy for standing with a Muay Thai guy and doing pretty well all things considered.
@@adcyuumi Yeah, as someone trained in the exact same style as this guy, that slouching is something that you are actively trained not to do, especially if you're training to fight full contact, such as in Lei Tai. In fact, Tien Shan Pai very much attempts to minimize any kind of leaning in general, even for things like kicks. Keep in mind that someone doing something wrong is more likely them making a mistake than something that their style actively teaches them to do.
Here's video 2 on our commentary of Tien Shan Pai Kungfu: ruclips.net/video/14ocFxtdACA/видео.html
Again, please go to the description to see the links to all the stuff we critiqued. The sparring starts at 0:23, thanks Clinton Harris for making me remember to do that. Members from the school have contacted me and given me more information:
The rules/General rule of thumb there at the dojo sparring are;
1. Respect the dojo and the people, zero ruff housing and nor Blatant over aggressive behavior.
2. verbal contract, some people kind of go hard, most of the time people don’t mostly 100% speed 0% power
3. light sparring because most people that I come there are there to test out different moves.
4. Anything does usually go unless somebody says they have a pre-existing injury, from head shots to ground game besides Groin shots and Eye gouge LOL are allowed obviously.
The Main purpose of the sparring club is to exchange peacefully of information and personal development for the Martial Arts community, which is funny more places need to be like this.
The first guy is the shifu of the school shifu Sean disciple of Great Dennis Brown, the guy he sparring is taekwondo mix with kickboxing. The second guy in the Goku outfit trains in Muay Tai and other Martial Arts. The tall guy in the red pants is another kung fu practitioner.
We will feature more of Tien Shan Pai soon. Here's their channel if you didn't read the description: ruclips.net/channel/UCJSlGd6orxzo4Tzpbp1VtYw
I have a playlist with 29 kung fu sparring videos afew of them are from sergio
I know the shi fu I trained there for years but stopped around a year ago. If you have questions.
Hey guys. Check this martial art. It is an stile of Kung Fu developed in Perú. It’s called Mougay Takao: ruclips.net/video/bWEJcAOMHIc/видео.html
@@alejandrojarrin2929 dude, that's so cool! Do you know it's lineage?
ruclips.net/video/ipqhMjvu0PY/видео.html please watch my fights
At least they’re testing their stuff out. More of us should do this.
Yes, always. Evolve your fight skills accordingly.
My uncle did TSP. Trained police in Upper Marlboro, taught at local boxing gyms as well. Also exchanged a lot with Lloyd Irvine, before he blew up in BJJ. It was a good scene in the 80s with TSP. Those lei tai kungfu tournaments in Maryland and New York back then were BRUTAL. Still some of the best footage on RUclips. Not quite like San Da, but, effective.
That's awesome! Send us any footage you find!
There are still Lei Tai tournaments nowadays. Look up the USKSF, they're the biggest organization for those tournaments in the US.
Only people who don't spar can't tell it is light sparring.
This is so true, those people are usually the ones who think sparring is a real fight then when trying to take your head off get salty when you up the ante.
If you want some brain damage you should do hard sparring 3 times a week with or without head gear.
@@algomez8563 Even the Thai boxers go technical but not full blast sparring they save it for their fights or the pads.
Full blast sparring is for fools
@@raycornett5854 Better make sure the strikes got a lot of psi, like 800-1,000psi range, if you aren't going to spar. Hit a psi bag
My Silat teacher studied Tian Shan Pai Kung Fu and I've also encountered a TSP school in Chinatown, DC. I'm surprised that such an obscure style got featured on this channel, but good on them for pressure testing their fighting!
That's Master CC Liu. He came over in the 70s to help Willy Lin run his school
No, that's one of my teacher's younger students at 5:03. That was at the Arnold's Classic.
I've been watching your breakdowns and appreciate your commentary. Thank for your humorous yet insightful breakdowns.
somebody should've yelled "HADOUKEN!"
I like the No Shadow Kick
@@FightCommentary Fuo Shan Wu Ying Jiao! (mandarin) or Fo Shan Mo Yun Guh! (cantonese) (not sure if i'm spelling it right in english, can't write chinese, can only understand mandarin audibly).
Jet Li's portrayal is definitely one of my fav's of wong fei hong.
Hahahahahaha
The reason that they shout from the sidelines is becasue they see patterns in the opponents behaviors that are showing weakness. If your couch shouts out "upper cut" than you may look out for the opponents pattern that would allow for that upper cut. When they are shouting they don't expect an immediate upper cut because obviously everyone can hear that. Instead they are helping him recognize a pattern that he may not be seeing and his opponent probably doesn't even know that they are leaving themselves open. So if you go in for a jab and both his hands come up, you know that he isn't expecting the upper cut and it's go time!
The Tian Shan I've seen is a southern system that I believe originally migrated from the Xinjiang area sometime in the late 1700's to early 1800's. It has a very distinct southern Chinese martial arts flavor. The closest I've seen to it are the 5 ancestor/Wuzuquan systems that passed into Malaysia/Singapore from Fujian. It does not appear to have been taught widely.
Respect at all those different styles having “control “ more will be learned with that style sparring
Who else thought is said Tienshinhan Kung Fu
You can't beat the angles in Tienshinhan Kung Fu. It is the only art where a triangle makes a square. Fighting them feels like they have 4 arms. Punches are easily blocked by their massive shoulders. I've heard if their shoulders get any bigger.....
@@edwardstanulevich1764 His Solar Flare is like walking in on Frieza in the shower.
What's Tienshinhan? Tell me!
@@FightCommentary Tien Shinhan is the three-eyed human character in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z
The jokes the second person was making we're from the fan parody of Dragon Ball, Team Four Star: ruclips.net/video/OK6uu-b2pgQ/видео.html
That's kind of a compilation of the parody, but... You get the point. Skip about 45 seconds to get past the intro and into the funny stuff.
Fight Commentary Breakdowns Have u ever seen Dragonball Z? Tien from Dragonball Z, his full name is Tien Shinhan
So this is why I've been seeing a small increase in views lately hahaha.
Would love to come on your channel and answer any questions you have man. Just message me!
This is so weird. Those Wuxia novels/comics always intrigued me because the usually involve some dude coming back to earth from transcending to the fourth dimension or some shit. However, this looks like its decently reality based. Sparring like this definitely helps a TON. I like it.
You're thinking of xianxia novels, a very common misunderstanding. Wuxia has exaggeration but feature more or less realistic martial arts.
@@Seoulmoonrhee Oh snap! Thanks for the clarification it actually makes a lot more sense now LOL.
@@danielquezada9902 Yeah, Wuxia is "pugilist," Xianxia is like "demigods" type stuff ;) And then there's ancient Shenhua "like folktales or mythical tales" type stuff like Monkey King and Nezha. Usually, the Wuxia, Xianxia stuff takes inspiration from Shenhua and history.
@@FightCommentary
You should do an episode on Wuxia novels. I believe it promoted the whole Buddhidharma and shaolin myth in the early century. (That kung fu was started by Buddhidharma myth).
I’m a TSP student in Maryland and what I can tell you is that it is/has evolved into a hybrid style. While it does place focus on traditional forms, we do light and hard sparring and compete with fighters that train MMA and Muay Thai. As a student of the style I would call it a mix of traditional Kung Fu and Sanda
Also a TSP student from Cincinnati, can confirm. I'm currently training for a kickboxing tournament coming up, and hoping that it doesn't get cancelled. Also planning on competing in Lei Tai at next year's tournaments.
Daniel Hounshell Nice! Wish you the best of luck. Hope to see you at the tournament next year!
Martin Ware is my old Sifu, Has a School here in Cincinnati, Ohio. His older Brother has a school here too these guys are the truth!
I'm training under him now. He's an amazing instructor, and he's consistently trained some incredible fighters.
Sparring starts at 0:23
I believe the cornerman on the right at 7:31 is Arlanzo Harper, a former champion of Guoshu lei tai at the US International Kuo Shu Championship Tournament, here's a clip of one of his fights: ruclips.net/video/ujlXIF9I8Uo/видео.html
Thanks!!
Thanks 😁
I wish my city had a sparring club like the one in Maryland ❤ It looked so respectful, and people were into learning and actively practicing their martial arts. It looked like bliss ❤
When I was a kid around 7-8 years old I was a student in TSP. I remember being put in this group of 4 or 5 other kids and we were separated from the others. We were learning something else (TSP). And while they learned how to punch and kick we learned unique forms of striking and these explosive movements. As well as each of us learning different kata. I was advancing very quickly and jumped from white belt to a decided yellow belt (D) within the span of a few months. I never got to advance because the dojo closed for some unknown reason. It wasn’t because of funding, there were a ton of students. Anyways I learned the fundamentals of fighting from TSP, not only physically but mentally. This style is a real style of kung fu. I remember this style concentrated on speed and distraction, and moving to the opponent’s right or left side while avoiding standing in front of them for some reason (I genuinely cannot tell you why). All I know is this style is not brand new. It was in 2008 or so when I was a student, and my sensei was in his 30s I believe.
Can't wait to hear comment on your own fight video. Looking forward to it.😃
Finally, we dug so deep we found pressure-tested (or testing), traditional, cool sounding Kung Fu.
Good job FCB, now I can rest in peace.
Also, check out Ng Ga Kuen, a big kung fu branch in Northern Mexico.
On it!!
There's a hell of a lot more than this sparring video. Check out Lei Tai sometime, it's a full contact fighting ruleset used in tournaments for Kung Fu practitioners. It's nowhere near as popular as it should be, and certainly not as popular as Sanda, but it's still pretty cool. The USKSF is the biggest organization I know of that does these fighting tournaments.
Got to love the intro music man
Thanks ;) Just staying true to my Asian roots ;)
@@FightCommentary so what's that originally?
Khoomii (hu mai) , Mongolian throat singing
This kungfu just portrays Chinese kickboxing, which is the same thing as traditional kickboxing
NOOOOOOOO!!! Dude's actually sparring in a DBZ "Turtle School" outfit!
NOW I've seen everything!
Tien Shan Pai,Celestial Mountain Style.
The Style is name from it's location in Heaven's Mountains or Celestial Mountain the
Tien Shan Mountain range in China.
I have trained in Tien Shan Pai in a different country.
You can can find my Facebook Link in my channel description.
Seeing some shoulder butts! That competitive match looked like the fighters had exchanged some harsh words. Was impressed by TSP guy though. Each time he was in the pocket he fought out of the corner and took center control back.
I’m Disney pai kungfu , who wants to fight me?
I am the succesor of Pixar Pai Fist. I will destroy you!
@@wei06zhen18 Pixar beats Disney ;)
Maybe shirtless guy got tired because of all that extra muscle.
5:19 why the fake glove touch tho.
Sorry it was a accident
Tien Shen Pai literally translates to "Northern Celestial Mountain" Kung-Fu. It is in fact, a real and ancient style of Kung-Fu, from the northern region of China. I've studied this for years.
That Channel has plenty of traditional martial arts sparring its good too
Would be good to see what the talker can do.
Us African Americans had our own fighting system called the52 blocks in the 60s, 70s and before that.
sparring kung fu guy clearly loves the fact that he has an answer for every slow and weak offense. i'm guessing he mostly spars against children and old ladies. also guessing taekwondo guy didn't get invited back, because it was harder to find those answers
Actually they're regular sparring partners.
I know because l run the club in Maryland
天山派？ Is there a 逍遥派in America too and can they use 北冥神功 and 天山折梅手？
Sometimes life imitates art, and it does it better
@@GuitarsRockForever let's hope so! I sure hope so!
@@FightCommentary Actually that's what the guy shouted in one of your videos. The one where some asswipe challenged an MMA guy and got his ass totally kicked.
Oh that's right! The fantasy wuxia novel fan shouted that!
Small correction, Tien Shan Pai does have a lot of history to it, and is a very popular system of Chinese Martial Arts that is taught around the world, but is most common in the US and Taiwan. Like any Chinese martial art, it has a pretty contested history because there's really no way to verify its founding legend, since so much information on temples and martial arts in general was lost throughout China's history. It is a very real martial art though, it's not just a name this guy came up with for branding. Nowadays it's a mostly composite system. Whether you think it was ever anything other than that depends on whether you believe its founding legend. It does have a pretty good reputation when it comes to training fighters though.
neat. Reminds me of Jackie Chan or Lei Wulong. A lot of that kung fu-ness seemed to disappear in the kickboxing match though. I wonder if that's just the pressure of a match that counts compared to sparring?
Kung Fu guy : *Throws spinning back fist*.
Me: Yeah, I’m out.
It's completely mythical Taiwan marketing. The system is a Nanjing Central Kuoshu Institute Northern Longfist system.
They're not full sparring by the way. They're "play sparring". Very friendly casual sparring. All the schools along the East Coast do full contact.
remember hip hop, the flash hands master, wu tang clan, the references to Chinese Chinese kung.
4:02 spin kick by takewando guy
Auto English spin kick bite cornddog yeah
I saw lots of commentary not a lot of breakdown
Fight Commentary Breakdowns: Hey, it's me Steven again, the guy in the Orange overalls (Who backed up into the tree) from back when you first started commenting on peoples sparring. I've got some sparring footage here. My older brothers a bit of a street tough type lad but he wanted me to show him some ropes in MMA. He wanted to have a sparring match with me, just without the head contact and sticking to stand up. So I had my wife film it. I'm not going full contact and I'm kind of prompting him through it. Before we had this sparring match he was one of those "No rules in a street fight kind of guy" but I think this was pretty educational for him. Please give it a watch. Let me know what you think.
ruclips.net/video/Sgd4mZCmzUU/видео.html
Thanks man!!
@@FightCommentary No problem. He's actually started coming round a bit to get training. Been working with him to improve his striking and grappling. Been a lot of fun man just getting through all this having helped someone improve.
Tien Shan Pai comes to the US in Maryland from the legendary Lin Brothers. And it does have a deep long lineage. Its not made up.
Tien Shan Pai has bring to the ring good fighters.
I have practiced tien shan for 2 decades. It is a very practical style. These types of matches prove nothing. It matters if you are attacked in the real world. The only thing matters if that you walk away and your attacker is dead on the ground.
That was kungfu phily shell style
Thats not a rashguard, its a tank top and shorts.
Maybe you're right ;)
bald guy in the back looks like JT from Precision striking
Tian shen pai is not mythical, it’s formed from the movements of monkeys
kung fu guy balance is amazing.
I use to train TSP kung fu, it helped me with my stand-up game.... they got great instructors there that know Sanda (Chinese Kickboxing), which is what I use when practicing MMA. If you want to see a badass TSP dude...check out Willy "The Bam" Johnson.
The Boldest move here.....
is "posting this" mess. "Muay thai guy is decent,Don't know WHAT"kung fu guy" is SUPPOSED to be Doing....."Ghetto Fu"???
@oktopustrainer It does.They have posted some decent ones on here(not many). Latino dude from Practical Combat(Sergio I think),is pretty good too, Watch him spar "Icey Mike"MMA stylists.Likewise there are Wing Chun vs Karate spars on the Tube that are good too.When I say good I mean effective, yet advocating tenets of the Kung fu style. NOT just kickboxing.
@@bronzetiger3837 yo kung fu is Chinese kickboxing
@@greatestmartialartist2154 Nah.It CAN BE,but often the Angles are more varied from tools such as Crescent kicks,Hook kicks,sweeps,oblique or sidestamp kicks,palm Heel strikes, Knife hand, Ridge Hand,Hammer swings(downward punch) And Vertical Fist(in Jabs as well as power punch.) To be sure,there are other systems that use these too BUT these ARE also indicative of Kung Fu.....
AGAIN I say go to "Fight commentary " channel archives and More 80s'-90's matches. Many had a DIFFERENT look than kickboxing.
@@bronzetiger3837 bro I am that fighter , I was like 16 17, dude was in his 20s and weighed 30 more pounds than me. I won that fight and the next , I'm telling you , all that stuff is irrelevant in the fight , kung fu has kick and punches to as well has unique techniques ,how many boxers you see dodging 21 punches or doing the rope adope,but if you do want to see more of my ghetto kung fu look up my page
@@greatestmartialartist2154 The "Ghetto fu" Dude was the Tall guy with Gi on. The Older guy with the Muscular young dude actually look like decent Martial Artists. Mad Respect though first off for ALL that thread the Martial Path. I too have tested my Art(oftimes on street due to Brashness of youth😂) As I grow older I just love the idea of being Skilled and Displaying against like folk. I DO THINK THOUGH that it takes an EXTRA EFFORT and Longtime or Diligent Training to "transcend " the typical "Bad kickboxing".phase that most Artists languish in. It's like you stated,How many times does one actually see" the Rope A Dope🤔. Likewise many of the fight maneuvers of Mayweathers' Shell(done that well) Or Lomachenko's ANGULAR motion.Such mastery takes Talent and Diligence. FUNNY NOTE, Famed trainer TEDDY ATLAS actually thinks LOMACHENKOS' MOTION AND some "hand over the top hand "moves are a lot like Kung Fu.🤔....I agree. Thanks for listening.
Also the other guy is a Bit Longer leg reach
We used to have full out fight nights.
Just no elbows or knees to the head.
Had some pretty awesome fights.
A little too much for me in the end.
I’m sensitive. 😉
Nothing flashy either.
Pull some flashy, impractical kick and sifu made you do push-ups till you puke.
Good times... good times.
I'm curious about something. As someone who has a lot to say about fighting, do you do anything or just run your mouth? Real talk.
Lots of styles I. Southern kungfu...is rooted...rarely high kicks
5:35 The shirtless guy needs to work on footwork. His feet are mostly planted flat thru out the bout.
He punches using only upper body which is why he gas out so fast.
Seriously, I wana kick his trainer for allowing him fight at his current level.
Pressure testing is important. Got to suck a little to get good at something
Have you some news of our russian master ?
He’s still uploading every day 😂
@@FightCommentary what's his profil ? Lol
@@frenchboxer4ever Victor Matveev
@@FightCommentary i tried but so boring without your comments hahaha !
I'll admit..I guess I got a gut so Teep for me..is not my first go too..I tend to get caught alot when I attempt it.
Not bad but the older guy has his hands down the entire time. He isnt bad just kind of old and slower and not too much power in the rotation. But nevertheless if you spar in your art you will improve.
Boxing gloves and martial arts just do not mix. Boxers make it look good but for some reason when you watch videos of greats like Joe Lewis and Bill Wallace they look like amateurs fighting with big ol gloves on.
Kung fu rarely has check..leg check
My style is cap cay and fu Yung hai...
Jerry Liu
Why hasn't your throat singing improved? Do you not practice?
I don't practice ;)
@@FightCommentary any vocal exercise can be practiced wherever we are; that's the beauty of it. Shopping, cleaning, walking, training etc. We can make it happen.
I recommend teas with ginger or lemon to help keep your vocal chords warm.
But he needed to uppercut
UPPERCUT!!
Lol Black lives Matter, don't be a hater. And yes its kick boxing, anything involving kicking and punching is know as kick boxing. But black lives matter.
Why do you and everybody else dis Wing Chun so much?
It's tein shan pai idk y
At least the kung Fu guy is sparing they never usually do that with someone who doesn't do the same thing they do
I see alot of taekwondo kicks, so sound like video game bs
the white kickboxer trying to touch gloves then the other/main fighter suckerpunhes him har right at the beginning. quite disgusting and unsportlike...
It was a accident saw fist and reacted
This Tian Shan Pai seems like it could actually work
Their fighters have long been a force to deal with in the Washington DC area
@dan b ...ever stop to think that's because all of the basic techniques are exactly the same in every art, and that most fighting comes down to the basics? A roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick, no matter if you practice kickboxing, TKD, Kung Fu, or Silat.
Thats no better then dancing. Real testing involves connecting with punches pulling punches teaches bad behavior an turning your back to someone is asking to get yourself knocked out
What about the fight at the end
@dan b will check out the kung fu guys fight on my page then tell me what you think (onyango collier)
Bs sparring
Second!!!!!
Wtf am i looking at lol
"This is pretty cool... "
No. No it's not.
The "kung fu" guys head movement is sloppy which is being generous he doesn't have any kind of guard up and he moves like he's trying to hypnotize his opponent!😂😃😉
That low lead hand is in position to hook-catch kicks; that's common in martial arts that focus a lot around throwing kicks, especially a lot of high kicks toward the head. You'll note than when the range closes, that lead hand comes back up into a more boxing style guard. The Kung Fu guy has weak legs and a weak core/back though. He's slouching a bit whenever he drops his center mass, so he couldn't actually hook-catch an incoming kick.
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It looks to me like he is a relative novice at Kung Fu. He isn't quite comfortable. He often backs up when he doesn't need to because he sees "something" the opponent might be trying to do. It's like a flinch response for him to back away. Backing away works against 100% of melee range techniques. But it's not martial arts, it's what you do to reset when your martial art will fail you. Consider boxing. You throw your combo, but at some point your target is more poised to throw a punch than you. Rather than continue to box, you just dance out of range to reset (or in competition you clinch so the ref will reset things for you). This guy is resetting too much and just looking to get in cheap shot moves that ocassionally work from a neutral position. He knows the moves but seems to not know the style. Maybe I am too critical here? He does have some nice sequences here and there.
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Muay Thai vs Kung Fu is a rough fight. Muay Thai's leg kicks and clinches aren't something that Kung Fu trains to defend against, traditionally. But there isn't much in Kung Fu that Muay Thai hasn't seen some version of before, so when they meet there's always a relevant experience difference. Kung Fu's main advantage is being able to stick to a target that is backing away, where Muay Thai requires the target is trying to stand and fight you -- not relevant in a contest the way it is in an actual fight. Props to this guy for standing with a Muay Thai guy and doing pretty well all things considered.
@@adcyuumi it dosent work
@@adcyuumi Yeah, as someone trained in the exact same style as this guy, that slouching is something that you are actively trained not to do, especially if you're training to fight full contact, such as in Lei Tai. In fact, Tien Shan Pai very much attempts to minimize any kind of leaning in general, even for things like kicks. Keep in mind that someone doing something wrong is more likely them making a mistake than something that their style actively teaches them to do.