When you hear the start of this piece you will not immediately think of Chopin and certainly not of a waltz. But then it developed in that direction. Thank you for your free gift, great!
More to come, surely many fantastic will appear! I am looking forward to someone's version who would play it with much elegance and melancholy, but not loosing a valse character. I am curious how Pires would play it.
@@DenZhdanovPianist I"m looking forward to hearing Pires' too, she's one of my favourites , and I'm also looking forward to yours, I'm sure you'll be great as well . 👍
You are absolutely right about the performance. This is the way I played it and also finished the whole work by Chopin, i completed the waltz and uploaded the full version on my channel. I'm happy you got to the same conclusion, to reach that fff it is obvious it demands something agitato, stringendo at the beginning, this really makes sense to me and after composing the rest it confirms it. This is kinda like Chopin waltz in E minor posthumous
I assume you are the first human and pianist in the world to provide the turorial for this Chopin waltz. Thank you Denis, you are generous! I have signed up and studied the content. High quality teaching...so much knowledge and skills about how to achieve, THANK YOU!
Again, wonderful appeal to less experienced players, with no hint of condescension. You are a marvel and appreciated throughout the pianosphere. Credibility, down to earth for us regular folks, and fun. "Fusion jazz, wild stuff." You give the citation, at least. I approve.
I followed your free course of this new Chopin Valse, and I have to say that your methods of teaching never ends to provide so much useful informations about hand posture, relaxation and ergonomics. It's a pity that some teachers never tell you how to play more efficiently but only to play slowly and with other silly unuseful methods. Your advices can be applied to every other piece, of course adapting it with the type of repertoire that someone is playing. Thank you very much for this free course Denis
Thank you for introducing us to this little piece . The beginning of if it didn’t sound like Chopin,but a bit later on it was more like it . But hey I am not “ Chopinologist “ so what would I know ,however it is very beautiful ❤️ .
You play it so much better than Lang Lang, you should have done the premiere! He sounded like he was just sightreading it, not very good. You bring it to life and help us imagine it from Chopin's fingertips!
Thank you, much appreciated. Although Lang Lang's version uncovers some really great lyrical traits here, and it sounds marvelous overall, I felt a bit the same... And yet the next time I play it, I will try out a completely different, very tender version.
@@DenZhdanovPianist Yes, great idea! I think the magic of Chopin is that his music is remarkably flexible with regards to how great it sounds in a variety of interpretations. This is why the Warsaw Chopin Competition somehow never gets boring even though many people would guess it would!
Really cool base idea, pity that it's only a sketch but really thankful to have gotten new Chopin music. Imagine a new Nocturne, how cool would that be
Nicely presented. It makes me wonder about process: this maybe was a starting point held to later polish? Its a funny thing: sometimes a work is kept around because something feels unfinished [but is achievably close], and occasionally artists have likely burned some of their craft in rash moments of disgust or despair when setting it aside for some weeks could have defuzed a block..
What an excellent video you have created. A student shared it with me and I'm passing it along to all my other students. So much better than the ("LL") NY Times article. Well done!
The funny thing is, I don’t hear this as waltz. But more as a mazurka. However, I know its bass figure and rhythm make it a waltz. So perhaps it’s sort of a hybrid. And I say this because of the introduction, which is for me, sounding unusual for Chopin. Since most of his waltzes have this rather elegant element of being harmonious in texture. In other words, they are smooth and not so harsh. While this one is hitting a diminished 7th chord from the very start. For example, the E minor waltz in it’s introduction, while discordant, still leads to an elegant waltz. With more dramatic moments in between and at the end. And also, some of the others such as the B minor, and other two in A minor, still retain a smoother and less harsh texture. But I will agree that this is a waltz, since Chopin has titled it as such.
yes it seems more a draft than a complete piece or intended for publication there's also something that's not exactly "chopin-esque" in this piece, not everything falls into place, just a sensation but that is, so other possible explanations could be: it's an A section theme he gave to one of his students to complete; or perhaps it's a transcription/correction of a piece submitted to him by a student all of this oc if authenticity is definitely ascertained (we know that some counterfeits could be very subtle at times, although honestly it does not seem to be the case here)
I think the reason it may feel a bit “off” is because he likely composed it very quickly, probably as a gift for a fan or as a quick gesture of appreciation-similar to how we might give someone a nice bottle of single malt today to say “thank you.” 😂 If he had polished it into a “finished” composition, he would have reworked it so much (as he often did) that it would probably be a completely different piece in the end.
Final Fantasy victory theme dubbed over the Joe Rogan meme in a video about Chopin. Could never have imagined of a more hilarious scenario. Props to you/your editor 😂
Здравствуйте, Денис! Большое спасибо за Ваш труд, этот канал - это находка для меня, как для профессионального музыканта. Не планировали ли Вы записать видео о специфике игры на разных инструментах (имею в виде именно фортепиано) и о быстрых способах приспособления к ним? А также затронуть тему специфики игры в разных залах? Также было интересно посмотреть разбор 21 сонаты Бетховена от Вас :)
Lmao modern music is so terrible that composers who have been dead for over 200 years are dropping new music to make up for it. First Mozart and now Chopin.
@@Calisthincenjoyer I am hardly intermediate and I am making it happen. 3 against 4 is hard for anyone for the first time. But you're probably right, it is not intermediate level. I am just really determined on this piece, I am 3 weeks in this piece currently
I have no idea why they are calling this a waltz. As a dancer it is obvious the melody of this is pure mazurka. It is being played way too fast. Watch Other Dances with Baryshnikov to better understand how to play this piece.
Chopin didn't compose valses for dancers. The very fact that his music is being used in dance classes, where it is executed in a mechanistic perverted way to suit your steps is a nightmare of any good musician. Feel free to explore the other pieces which can be even faster like op. 34/1, 18, 64/1 etc, as well as history of interpretation of this genre. Implying that one has to play Chopin the way you guys dance is hilarious.
Dude, a "waltz" also means any composition that has a 3/4 beat. It doesn't have to be danceable. It's like complaining that Mendelssohn's "Songs without Words" is not a song because it has no lyrics...
You play Beautifully as always🥰🥰🙏🙏💞🌺💞🌺💞After I listen to your explanation about putting youself dramatically then I wonder why to compose waltz...? May be the waltz was for a dramatic love story?But anyway it is a beautiful waltz
Chopin has quite a few turbulent valses, but most of them in a major key however. This one is strangely is in minor key, has very wide patterns, opening section more common for polonaises and scherzi... It's a strange piece, that's for sure.
@DenZhdanovPianist Really? Very interesting...On the other hand... we think forms and rules but may be a piece comes to a composer's mind without rules or forms it just comes as a whole character..a soul, as a meaning or a whole melody...with its emotions and messages...Thank you very much for your interesting explanatiosn🙏🥰🌺💖💞💖
Is there any chance to figure out when he wrote this piece? Was he 17 ,18, 19 ? It reminds me a little bit( very little) of this eminor walz 0p. 69 you played as well in this video, which is said to be a work of his youth.
i wonder which composer is gonna be the next one to drop a piece a century or two or three later, lol. they are cooking something up for 2025 arent they
I had to use a bit of compression to temper them, otherwise the rest of the piece would be too soft. The interpretational difference between this FFF bar and the next which follows is explained in the course, link in the description
I am not a professional sound engineer. I can hear both the voice and music quite loudly on all my devices including the phone, and they are only a couple of DB away from peaking. They have a bit of compression which allowed me to turn the overall volume even more without clipping at the highest points. So honestly no idea what you mean…
@DenZhdanovPianist try listening to it on the lowest volume where you can still hear the music clearly, then just let it play out and you'll notice you'll need to turn it up to hear what your saying. Also, listen to it through headphones on low volume again. The difference is quite easy to make out.
@@DenZhdanovPianist I thought this one sounded really good fast, I wasn’t feeling it when I heard the Lang Lang premiere, but this interpretation is really warming me up to it
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I heard so many people upload this Waltz.... I have to say that your version is the BEST!!
Wow, thank you!
@ Yours and Lang Lang are the great one. So you are at the same level as LL🤪
When you hear the start of this piece you will not immediately think of Chopin and certainly not of a waltz. But then it developed in that direction. Thank you for your free gift, great!
I personally thought it had Rachmaninov elements at the beginning, or maybe Liszt!?
not sure about you, but it was very recognisable chopin for me
@@pecfexfextus4437agreed. Certainly Chopin and there are similar passages in many of his waltzes
@@EjayT06 Yes exactly that, some Liszt elements, some Rachmaninov taste, only in the beginning, but then suddenly there he is: Chopin
@karienbesselink-ike3174 I agree!
Most enjoyable Interpretation until now👏
More to come, surely many fantastic will appear! I am looking forward to someone's version who would play it with much elegance and melancholy, but not loosing a valse character. I am curious how Pires would play it.
Indeed the best so far
Who produced less enjoyable ones?
@@DenZhdanovPianist I"m looking forward to hearing Pires' too, she's one of my favourites , and I'm also looking forward to yours, I'm sure you'll be great as well . 👍
Chopin's recently discovered 1 minute fragment is better than 95% of modern concert music
Man you play so well, alot of people have attempted this new piece.. you are the absolute best i have heard so far
I hope they discover more pieces Chopin is the best!
They say there are a few manuscripts holded by private families.
@@jmftheld* why do they withhold them?
@@Dylan-db6bq....just because they can...😊
You are absolutely right about the performance. This is the way I played it and also finished the whole work by Chopin, i completed the waltz and uploaded the full version on my channel. I'm happy you got to the same conclusion, to reach that fff it is obvious it demands something agitato, stringendo at the beginning, this really makes sense to me and after composing the rest it confirms it. This is kinda like Chopin waltz in E minor posthumous
I assume you are the first human and pianist in the world to provide the turorial for this Chopin waltz. Thank you Denis, you are generous! I have signed up and studied the content. High quality teaching...so much knowledge and skills about how to achieve, THANK YOU!
It’s actually actually a great little piece - pity it wasn’t longer!
Very nice playing... I especially enjoyed the subito piano and rubato.
Thank you!
We got a new Chopin piece before gta VI 😮
Underrated comment 💀
Brilliantly explained and performed.❤
"Chopin is the greatest of them all, for with the piano alone he discovered everything."
- Claude Debussy
By far the best performance of this piece. Well done my friend!
Thank you☺️
Again, wonderful appeal to less experienced players, with no hint of condescension. You are a marvel and appreciated throughout the pianosphere. Credibility, down to earth for us regular folks, and fun. "Fusion jazz, wild stuff." You give the citation, at least. I approve.
I followed your free course of this new Chopin Valse, and I have to say that your methods of teaching never ends to provide so much useful informations about hand posture, relaxation and ergonomics. It's a pity that some teachers never tell you how to play more efficiently but only to play slowly and with other silly unuseful methods.
Your advices can be applied to every other piece, of course adapting it with the type of repertoire that someone is playing.
Thank you very much for this free course Denis
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great learning experience!
Great interpretation, thanks
Thank you for introducing us to this little piece . The beginning of if it didn’t sound like Chopin,but a bit later on it was more like it . But hey I am not “ Chopinologist “ so what would I know ,however it is very beautiful ❤️ .
You play it so much better than Lang Lang, you should have done the premiere!
He sounded like he was just sightreading it, not very good. You bring it to life and help us imagine it from Chopin's fingertips!
Thank you, much appreciated. Although Lang Lang's version uncovers some really great lyrical traits here, and it sounds marvelous overall, I felt a bit the same... And yet the next time I play it, I will try out a completely different, very tender version.
@@DenZhdanovPianist Yes, great idea! I think the magic of Chopin is that his music is remarkably flexible with regards to how great it sounds in a variety of interpretations.
This is why the Warsaw Chopin Competition somehow never gets boring even though many people would guess it would!
Really cool base idea, pity that it's only a sketch but really thankful to have gotten new Chopin music. Imagine a new Nocturne, how cool would that be
Excellent analysis of one the way of Chopin's tragic way of writing . Thank you for sharing this original piece !
Nicely presented. It makes me wonder about process: this maybe was a starting point held to later polish? Its a funny thing: sometimes a work is kept around because something feels unfinished [but is achievably close], and occasionally artists have likely burned some of their craft in rash moments of disgust or despair when setting it aside for some weeks could have defuzed a block..
What an excellent video you have created. A student shared it with me and I'm passing it along to all my other students. So much better than the ("LL") NY Times article. Well done!
Thanks for sharing!
The funny thing is, I don’t hear this as waltz. But more as a mazurka. However, I know its bass figure and rhythm make it a waltz. So perhaps it’s sort of a hybrid. And I say this because of the introduction, which is for me, sounding unusual for Chopin. Since most of his waltzes have this rather elegant element of being harmonious in texture. In other words, they are smooth and not so harsh. While this one is hitting a diminished 7th chord from the very start. For example, the E minor waltz in it’s introduction, while discordant, still leads to an elegant waltz. With more dramatic moments in between and at the end. And also, some of the others such as the B minor, and other two in A minor, still retain a smoother and less harsh texture. But I will agree that this is a waltz, since Chopin has titled it as such.
valse à la mazur
Love your interpretation.
It's a small fragment but very lovely and chopinesque
Thanks so much! ... delightful! 🙏🎶👏
Please do a comprehensive tutorial of Mephisto waltz😭 there are lot of wild sections
Thank you very much for this interesting video. I am very happy because of your free lesson. I will join it!
yes it seems more a draft than a complete piece or intended for publication
there's also something that's not exactly "chopin-esque" in this piece, not everything falls into place, just a sensation but that is, so other possible explanations could be: it's an A section theme he gave to one of his students to complete; or perhaps it's a transcription/correction of a piece submitted to him by a student
all of this oc if authenticity is definitely ascertained (we know that some counterfeits could be very subtle at times, although honestly it does not seem to be the case here)
I think the reason it may feel a bit “off” is because he likely composed it very quickly, probably as a gift for a fan or as a quick gesture of appreciation-similar to how we might give someone a nice bottle of single malt today to say “thank you.” 😂
If he had polished it into a “finished” composition, he would have reworked it so much (as he often did) that it would probably be a completely different piece in the end.
Final Fantasy victory theme dubbed over the Joe Rogan meme in a video about Chopin. Could never have imagined of a more hilarious scenario. Props to you/your editor 😂
Yeah cultural syncretism at its best))
Здравствуйте, Денис! Большое спасибо за Ваш труд, этот канал - это находка для меня, как для профессионального музыканта.
Не планировали ли Вы записать видео о специфике игры на разных инструментах (имею в виде именно фортепиано) и о быстрых способах приспособления к ним? А также затронуть тему специфики игры в разных залах?
Также было интересно посмотреть разбор 21 сонаты Бетховена от Вас :)
Lmao modern music is so terrible that composers who have been dead for over 200 years are dropping new music to make up for it. First Mozart and now Chopin.
LOL🦊🎹🎶
Hilarious
True!
Thank you for this timely video! May I ask why this a Waltz and not a Mazurka? It sounds so much mazurka like!
You'd have to ask Chopin!
Chopin is the G.O.A.T : still composing in 2024 !
What a great interpretation! You are a clean pianist, my friend!
Thank you very much! Never heard of a term “clean pianist”😅 I guess what a “dirty pianist” means🤔
@DenZhdanovPianist Haha, I meant your technique, primarily :) Sorry for the confusion!
@@DenZhdanovPianist I have a few "dirty lists" in my mind, lol 😂 You are a "clean and fine pianist" indeed. 🥰
No way they found my lost piece
Very interesting. I’ll follow the course 🔥
Thanks so very much!
what a godsend video because i want to learn a chopin piece but i am only intermediate level, thank you
Have you heard of Chopin Etude Trios novelle no 1. Entire piece is 3 against 4?
@@AcousticBrucei dont think three against four is intermediate.
@@Calisthincenjoyer I am hardly intermediate and I am making it happen. 3 against 4 is hard for anyone for the first time.
But you're probably right, it is not intermediate level. I am just really determined on this piece, I am 3 weeks in this piece currently
My friend Michiel Demaray just published his sensitive wonderful performance today on his you tube channel, worth listening to it!!!
I think it's written by Chopin, but it's more like mazurka (melodic line) with waltz accompaniment
OMG I love it!!
It sounds more like a mazurka.
I have no idea why they are calling this a waltz. As a dancer it is obvious the melody of this is pure mazurka. It is being played way too fast. Watch Other Dances with Baryshnikov to better understand how to play this piece.
Exactly my thoughts!!
Chopin didn't compose valses for dancers. The very fact that his music is being used in dance classes, where it is executed in a mechanistic perverted way to suit your steps is a nightmare of any good musician. Feel free to explore the other pieces which can be even faster like op. 34/1, 18, 64/1 etc, as well as history of interpretation of this genre.
Implying that one has to play Chopin the way you guys dance is hilarious.
Well, because it says Valse right there on the manuscript. This is why they are calling it one.
Dude, a "waltz" also means any composition that has a 3/4 beat. It doesn't have to be danceable. It's like complaining that Mendelssohn's "Songs without Words" is not a song because it has no lyrics...
Incredible.
Dennyboy a real G
How could they find it?
LMAO Chopin dropped a single before GTA VI came
And they say, classical composers don't release new music 😂
You play Beautifully as always🥰🥰🙏🙏💞🌺💞🌺💞After I listen to your explanation about putting youself dramatically then I wonder why to compose waltz...? May be the waltz was for a dramatic love story?But anyway it is a beautiful waltz
Chopin has quite a few turbulent valses, but most of them in a major key however. This one is strangely is in minor key, has very wide patterns, opening section more common for polonaises and scherzi... It's a strange piece, that's for sure.
@DenZhdanovPianist Really? Very interesting...On the other hand... we think forms and rules but may be a piece comes to a composer's mind without rules or forms it just comes as a whole character..a soul, as a meaning or a whole melody...with its emotions and messages...Thank you very much for your interesting explanatiosn🙏🥰🌺💖💞💖
Is there any chance to figure out when he wrote this piece? Was he 17 ,18, 19 ? It reminds me a little bit( very little) of this eminor walz 0p. 69 you played as well in this video, which is said to be a work of his youth.
I hope in the next months we will get closer examinations of this document.
He can make the instrument talk
It sounds like it was intended to be the start of quite a major piece, but didn’t get very far.
Check out his hand. Very accurate, not like Beethoven. Check out his stems. I bet he was neat at home. I bet he had a house keeper.
Haha I wish😅
It just sounds like an idea that Chopin wanted to jot down. I do this kind of thing myself.
Extraordinary composition as everything Chopin wrote. Definitely not a Waltz.. more like a Danse Macabre or thematic material for a Scherzo.
i wonder which composer is gonna be the next one to drop a piece a century or two or three later, lol. they are cooking something up for 2025 arent they
As long as you do not play, yes it is Chopin. Lol.
In the world of AI, it makes me a bit unsure...
Conspiracy! Love it🫶😎
A bit too quickly played for my taste but very well played dynamically and otherwise ❤
Yes, I intentionally played it in a fastest tempo it could still be reasonable enough.
Can you say something about those fff accents? Do you think they are authentic? You didn't really play them as loud as possible so maybe not.
I had to use a bit of compression to temper them, otherwise the rest of the piece would be too soft. The interpretational difference between this FFF bar and the next which follows is explained in the course, link in the description
Шопен успел дропнуть новый трек, а ГТА 6 до сих пор так и не вышла
Shame on the one who discovered it, for not secretly correcting those ninths into octaves
Dissonance is as important as consonance. Without them you typically get something like Philip Glass 🥱
@DenZhdanovPianist with them, the small hands club are strumming like Tarrega
Arpeggiate them!
Your audio mix on this video is incorrect. Your presentation is at a way too low volume.
I am not a professional sound engineer. I can hear both the voice and music quite loudly on all my devices including the phone, and they are only a couple of DB away from peaking. They have a bit of compression which allowed me to turn the overall volume even more without clipping at the highest points. So honestly no idea what you mean…
@DenZhdanovPianist try listening to it on the lowest volume where you can still hear the music clearly, then just let it play out and you'll notice you'll need to turn it up to hear what your saying. Also, listen to it through headphones on low volume again. The difference is quite easy to make out.
Stop playing so fast ong😭😭😭
Or what?
@@DenZhdanovPianist I thought this one sounded really good fast, I wasn’t feeling it when I heard the Lang Lang premiere, but this interpretation is really warming me up to it
Extraordinary composition as everything Chopin wrote. Definitely not a Waltz.. more like a Danse Macabre or thematic material for a Scherzo.