I think the point there is that the Emperor is just chess player. A bit dumb martial fighter won't play a huge role anyway. So it was choice between: - Spend even more power from the Emperor to save Minsc from the Elderbrain, while being very close to it. - Kill Minsc, which means, that we kinda free him from suffering (and possible mindlfayer staff) and don't spend extra resources. None of this choices play any positive role in the end result. Yeah, we can make Minsc part of our party, but counting his character it will be quite few gain for huge effort. We have much more powerful allies in form of all saved tieflings on top of support from city and monster hunters. So no real red flag, unless you just mark Illithids as evil by default. That is opinion based on BG3 story only, I didn't play other games, so don't know which role Minsc played earlier.
@@davidacruzcorrea4359 for me, i decide to betray the emperor when the story revealed that the emperor hide many things from us, and the top point is when he reveal that he mind controlled duke stelmane
@@maksymisaiev1828Minsc is a true hero, has proven himself capable of being a massive asset (he's a legend thanks to BG2), and the Emperor wanting to kill him is just another way for Larian to say "THIS GUY IS EVIL!" If turning Stelmane into a mind-controlled puppet wasn't enough.
@@maksymisaiev1828 You don't have to have played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 to know Minsc is a hero along with Jaheira. Passing what should be an easy history check, the game tells you how the two (along with other companions) saved the city in more than one ocassion (twice at least) The reason why he sees him as a threat is because Minsc's case is similar, if not the same as the gnoll warlord in act 1, whose tadpole was having a hard time controlling its mind because of how dense and simple-minded they can be since it is more of a beast than an "intelligent" humanoid creature. If you check Minsc mental stats, they are all below 10 (mind you, in DnD 10 is the average stat of a normal human, so Minsc having around like 8 and 6 in INT, WIS and CHA reflects how much of a dimwit he is), meaning he is not the adequate individual to tadpole and control and the sole reason they managed to keep him in check is because of the doppleganger impersonating Jaheira. There is a reason why mindflayer infect intelligent humanoids like human and elves and as we all know, Minsc is anything but intelligent.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 looking it up myself, I think it might have been because Jaheira died when I stormed Moonrise Tower (she just sort of charged in and got killed, had to be told by a friend that she was even a potential party member, otherwise I'd have had no clue. Kinda like Minthara, but at least there she only really joins you if you're doing an evil playthrough so there wasn't any real way of knowing) because Minsc was only ever presented to me as an enemy in act 3 and apparently she's necessary for him joining you.
@@Joenah5 I don't think she's necessary but yhea Minsc whole questline revolve around Jaheira, She mention him when you get to Baldur's gate and you can choose to just give up on him or investigate. But if you're someone who goes around every interesting building in the city you might just cross path with minsc out of absolutely nowhere wich can be confusing I admit.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 for me I was doing the thieves guild quest and I was told that the stone lord was dangerous and bad, so I didn’t really have any reason to believe Minsc wasn’t just another miniboss
You can actually save Will and his father, you have to save Will from this contract, go to Iron Throne and cover the father with Pixie Blessing (Pixie from lantern act 2) or with Sphere of Immunity, and all the spiderlings blow up, but don't cause any damage, then you save him from prison and so you tricked Mizora, and you even can laugh at her, that she didn't succeed - This game is amazing
Sanctuary and some heals work as well, the spiders aren't too difficult to take out either if you brought along some multi-target attack spells. Honorable mentions to Dimension Door and Arcane Gate, as well.
If you have the illithid ability Black Hole you can draw all the spiders away from Ravengard and blow them up in relative safety. If you also have Haste by spell or potion, you can do it all in 1 round: Draw the spiders away, use a ranged attack to blow up 1 of them, and the explosion on 1 spider will damage the other spiders. One of them will blow up and set off a chain reaction.
The wild part is how op invisibility is, you can literally bypass somethings in this game. Save volo without having to worry about the fire, just have someone be invisible and stand next to him or free him before cutscene triggers. You can even skip like the whole kethric fight and just fight the avatar of myrkul, you need to find all the letters and notes from the main floor of moonrise, same floor as balthazaars room, when you free nightsong and then confront kethric you can persuade him to surrender and not even fight him till you get to the mind flayer colony below, and LITERALLY INVISIBILITY TO NIGHTSONG before confronting kethric, and then you keep sweet talkin the dude to make him force surrender himself to myrkul, bro this game is wild on the ways to tackle a situation.
I got to skip the first part by having 22 charisma, beguiling influence, and basically talked him into killing himself. He still turns into the avatar after though but it sounds like it's literally Myrkul just puppeting his body against his will.
I just do the fight with 0 cheese and first round have Gale Dimension Door to the Nightsong w/ my support and help her off her bindings. DD is that busted.
I recently started a Dark Urge evil run and found that my min/maxing gamer heart cannot bear how much you lose by picking evil options for either no or very little gain. It seems like this is something they might patch: more evil companions, more quest chains that you can do as an evil person to replace a lot of the quest chains you miss out on by killing the NPCs you'd need to save to see them later, etc.
@@Keram-io8hvthey literally gave us murder-hobo origin with one single interest in life “kill them all”, but forget to give some loot, quests and overall content.
@The_Hoss and your narative choice is killing potential allies and the info they have with it. DND has been and always be a game of action will equal consequences
Wow, I saved and reloaded to see Astarion transformation, and my dialogue when he ascended wasn't bad. He was just happy that he didn't need to fear the sun anymore and that Cazador was dead. Apparently, it changes depending on what we've been doing.
No matter what you do, ascended astarion is evil. Maybe romance astarion is kind to you but one of bad endings in the game is basically being enslaved by ascended astarion.
Yeah, my ending was actually nice with him ascended. He wanted to know what I wanted to do now that we’re vampires and I said I wanted to travel. So he goes “we’ll travel the world together, feasting on everything we see. Oh this will be fun!” That to me seems like a good ending… in the terms of being a vampire. I don’t know how nice it is to the human race 😂
Even if he’s nice to you when he’s ascended, he doesn’t actually care for you lol you’re just a possession to thin at that point. Ascended vampires are basically just pure vampires.
He might love you as a spawn, but if you let him ascend, all of his feelings for you basically become nonexistent and only views you as his play thing.
Astarion absolutely recoils at the mere idea of taking the astral tadpole if you ask him. He isn't all about wanting power. He tells you he was traumatized enough when he was turned into a vampire and felt his body transforming against his will, and he doesn't want to turn into a half-illithid. If you're cruel you can force him, by interfacing with his mind via the tadpole and unearthing his _worst_ memory of what Cazador did to him (The Year of Hell) and blackmail him with it, telling him he needs to get stronger to face Cazador and the tadpole is the only way, then he will reluctantly take it, but it traumatized him further.
Yea... Your Astarion assencion and mine were very difficult. Mine was more glad that he was free of Cazador and happy that we didn't need to release 10000 vampire spawn into the city to forever feed on the populous. It was the best way to deal with it.
To be honest, I actually think I did the Gondian quest one step more evil in my Durge run. I told the guy in the factory I would save their families, went on the sub and stepped onto the Iron Throne but as soon as we landed I went back causing it to explode, killing everyone. Back in the factory I used deception to convince Toobin his daughter is safe, caused all the collars to explode and then used the Runepowder Bomb to destroy the factory. Toobin was the only Gondian alive at this point and Wulbren told him he saw his daughters corpse floating in the water. Toobin called me a bastard then we all ganged up on him and killed him. Fun times!
The really stupid part of Wyll's soul deal is it is so damn easy to accidently not save the Duke because blowing up the Steel Legion causes the Iron Throne to also explode and wipe out everyone inside. Something you can't possibly know will happen and the game makes no warning like major choices earlier in the game.
Yeah, the hardest part of act 3 in my first run was to choose where to strike first, Iron Throne of the Steel Foundry since they are both Gortash's facility. Glad i picked Iron Throne first, apparently no Steel Watcher there, just need pots of speed
I think there was plenty of lore warning from the quest, gortash leading the duke away during the ceremony, the councilor held prisoner mentioning it, etc.
Yeah that really pissed me off in my first runthrough. I tried so hard to save the gondians I couldn’t bring myself to go thru that stupid shit again 💀
It's also stupid because Jahira just charges into death in the Moonrise Towers fight. I filled the arena with AOE traps thinking she would be smart enough to just stay back and watch the fight end, but the idiot charged right into it and died
Jaheria if she survives last light and you tell her to walk away she will eventually confront you with harpers when you leave bhaals temple as his chosen so fucking cool
One freaking funny thing about exploding the factory is that if you have summons, they all stay behind and absolutely fine inside the control room (stuck until you dismiss them tho). xD
I had fun murdering Lorroakan and looting his vaults. I lied to him about having killed the Nightsong (I freed her) but I wasn't sure I trusted that he wouldn't come after me/her anyway. So instead I slammed him pretty hard and had a nice stroll through his vaults. Got a pretty sick staff out of it.
My warrior has a big ego and every time some one demands something, they get the opposite of it. I didn’t even know what he wanted with nightsong. He demanded nightsong, so I smashed him in 1 turn. Shouldn’t have stood next to an Eldritch Knight with no armor bud.
in my first encounter i convinced him as well, but he’s such an asshole i decided to reload and kill him. also a huge bonus is that rolan (my fav grump) gets freed from his abuse and becomes the new owner of the tower
@@guifire9747 not bad gameplay wise more morally wise bc you sacrifice 7000 thralls, but without spoilers it helps him in the end anyway and as a bonus makes him way more powerful in combat so I don’t see the problem with it especially bc the people you sacrifice are vampires
@@Chiefqueef230it makes him evil and he stops actually caring for you, sees you as nothing more than a pathetic tool and offers to make you into his slave
i appreciate you actually including astarion in this vid, unlike the last 1, & i completely agree that letting him ascend is the worst possible decision ever, though i'd say that even worse than the 7000 deaths is the fact that it turns him into a completely different character with no soul, no emotions, no capacity to love, no chance at redemption, ever, & it's even more horrifying if you're romancing him because it changes the entire relationship from 2 ppl in love to an abusive, posessive hellscape where he treats you just the way cazador treated him for 2 centuries, which was what he had always hated from the moment you meet him, & turning him into that is just nauseating. though i don't know if 'completely unhinged' is the term i'd use; he's terrified in the face of his abuser, blinded & intoxicated by the thought of finally becoming powerful enough to never be hurt again, that is what the narrator says when you pass the insight check. & if you actually DO stop him, he approves of the choice & thanks you profusely the next day for believing he could be better & that he could stop centuries of abuse, instead of just repeating it again
Fr, i will never understand the people who think it's better for him from a story standpoint. "He deserves better than he had!" Absolutely! That's why we killed his master!! With Cazador dead, he's going to get to live better and that's amazing! By ascending him, you're killing his soul. I honestly can't fathom being okay with the changes in him if you romanced him, unless all you cared about was fetishizing his vampirism. The man who earnestly told you he thinks you're incredible is dead and someone who looks like him and thinks of you as his little pet has taken his place.
@@primrosett yeah maybe if you were doing an evil playthrough & NOT romancing him & didn't care about his entire backstory at all & just wanted a powerful vampire badass on your side (temporarily), then MAYBE you'd somehow be ok with it? but i CANNOT understand how anyone romancing him, evil or no, would EVER be ok with spending 200 hrs building up an honest & true relationship with him, & then go & ACTIVELY CHOOSE the option that literally makes him incapable of ever feeling love... how does that make sense in any dimension? to CHOOSE to make your romantic partner unable to feel love ever again? i will never ever get it at all
Here are two other bad choices: One is to tell Astarion you will help with the ascend and then stop the ritual, in this case he will turn on you and you will have to kill him, so the ascend ending is actually not that bad. The second one to the submit to Bhaal while playing as dark urge after kill Orin, which in this case Jaheira will turn on you and you will have to kill her. Man it hurts, I only did it for the achievement. But I didn’t save Minsc in that run so maybe you will have to kill them both if you did save him as well.
@@banko-xv4rt Hey, cool down! Laezel is mean to everybody, I still romanced her in my first playthrew. Astarion even puts a knife to your throat and wants to pull out your innards.
@@What_do_I_Think lol YOU cool down. Bae'zel invites the whole party to the zaith'isk and says she'll vouch for them to the other gith even though she barely has any reason to, Astarion thinks you're an illithid thrall when he pulls the knife and immediately backs down when he realises you're not (and lol wtf, he doesn't want to pull out your innards?! That would be messy and wasteful). Personally, I can excuse those but jumping a useful warrior ally who is also offering us a way to zap the tadpole, in camp while they sleep, is not smart OR nice. Act 3 Shadowheart is lovely, but pre-redemption-arc in Act 1 she's awful and it's okay to be honest about that
Some of the bad choices in the game are so abrupt that they catch me super off guard. Like betraying Shadowheart, I wouldn't have imagined that agreeing would just end her role in the story. There's room for lots of interesting stuff to happen if Shadowheart rejoins the Sharrans, and I went to some lengths in my first playthrough to keep her Sharran, so I was pretty disappointed that I couldn't side with them and still keep Shadowheart.
I never played the first 2 games so I had no idea who Minsc was. One day I was just exploring the sewers planning a bank heist, killed a few cultists and suddenly one of my companions whose life I'd saved several times over tells me to go die in a hole and leaves. Biggest bruh moment of my playthrough haha
If you play _as_ Astarion in a companion run, he does get far more powers from his Ascension than just an upgraded bite plus Cazador's staff. He can summon creatures in the final battle and other stuff. Larian probably didn't put that in if Astarion is a companion, because it might unbalance the game compared to the other companions. But yeah, from a roleplaying standpoint he tainted his soul by destroying all those souls (and Mephistopheles who gave the ritual to Cazador might come collecting one day).
I mean id say the free 1d10 necrotic damage he gets on weapon attacks is the best upgrade he gets from it. Crime that it isnt mentioned here. Havent tried it but id imagine if you have ascended astarion go thief rogue/open hand monk multiclass with the gloves you get from hope after saving her from raphael which adds a 1d10 force to unarmed attacks that can get pretty insane.
Another horrible thing you can do is after you've made Shadowheart a chosen of Shar you can take her to the house of grief. Shar will ask Shadowheart to kill her parents.... you can let this happen and the whole scene is traumatizing.
I was hoping to see this one on the list! It may be not as 'cursed' as say instantly killing 7000 people but the image of Jen- I mean Shadowheart celebrating her final trial with a smile and my char in the background giving that wtf just happened look will be in my head for a loooong time.
I thought they all want you to trust them make the big choices for themselves so when it came to killing/not killing nightsong and shadowhearts parents , I kept out of it and let her decide what she wanted to do. Her parents turned into balls of light then she got sad and I hugged her. Is that killing the parents? Should I choose for her if I want to save them and get a happy ending for her?
For me, letting Orin to kill her hostage were hilarious (and because she captured a girl and not someone useful). The whole scene were a part of the dark urge’s quest to bully Orin. It was like “c’mon, do the thing already, stop talking”
I believe it's a lesser evil to let astarion ascend. The alternative is unleashing 7000 vampire spawn into the world, are you telling me that there are enough criminals that are bad enough to be bad for them to be fed to a vampire? And that every single one of them is going to stay in the underdark? There's no way
I didnt ascend him and let the spawns go. In the end they told me that they live in the sewers and astarions 6 brothers and sisters take care of them. Aint that bad
Also, 7000 vampires is not that bad. The underdark has a bunch of terrible things, including an entire population of evil Lolth lover drows who are also not forced to stay there.
going to the iron throne first and rescuing at least a few gondians makes saving the rest of the gondians at the steel watch foundry much easier. (that, and unlocking that door won't result in the deaths of all those factory workers)
Volo will leave your camp way before Act 3 if you let him attempt to remove your tadpole. For me he basically always left as soon as he arrived, because the eye you get from him is actually pretty good.
I was forced to kill Minsc. Jaheira died in the battle at The Last Light Inn, so she was never in my camp and I never got to use her as a companion. As a result, when you find Minc and the fake Jaheira there's no way to convince him to change sides. I even beat him down with non-lethal attacks and got a cutscene where the narrator all but tells you that without her with your group, he can't be redeemed. He then immediately attacks again and you have to kill him to complete the quest.
Bit of advice, focus more on why these are bad decisions. Gameplay ratifications etc... some ones you do this and others feel like the ubruptly end. Love the videos otherwise :)
If blowing up an orphanage doesn't have visible gameplay consequences other than making some encounter easier, I'm pushing the button. If that prevents me from getting the Flaming Sword of Asswooping or prevents me from romancing this cute caretaker, I will reconsider.
Damn i need to get the game. I knew Misc, Jaheira, Volo, and Eliminster had cameos.....but now I see Viconia and Sarevok...i wonder who else, Imoen? Irenicus? Yoshimo? Aerie?
1:48 - “I don’t think this is enough to justify Astarion going completely over to the Dark Side” Dark Urge: “I don’t remember asking you for your opinion”
I did a more sinister choice for the Gondians quest. After we blew up the factory, I ve butchered them with Ironhand gnomes to my side. Cause, well, Gondians were planning to make a run for it afterwards, and I wanted all the muscle I can have for the absolute fight, and an alliance with a clan of gnomes that can build runepowder explosive devices sounded quite good as a role play choice for my cleric of Talos XD
While that isn't a "bad" ending at all just straight out badass and in-tune with BG plot i think you missed one that would fit perfectly into this video... usurping control over Netherbrain from the Cult and leading a massive army of mind flayers to slaughter all beings the Multiverse in the name of Bhaal.
Wow. Well did not have this reaction with me. He simply said something about hope you don’t make that mistake again. I didn’t realize what the pleasures meant I thought it was just observing these horrible places.
Or if you find Wyll’s father you’ll find out Misora killed him and offers to bring him back in exchange 🤪 Seeing as I looked in the sewers for minsc, couldn’t find his marker she supposedly put on the map, changed my party, stumbled on his lair, killed him went back to my camp and Jaherra decided to leave
If Jaheira is dead by act 3, killing Minsc seems to be unavoidable, unless you skip that entire questline. This is a real shame. I really wanted to recruit him, but I didn't feel like falling back to my act 2 save file just for this.
@@陈舒天-h9t But so the kid is actually a kid then? Cause she disappeared from my camp after Orin kidnapped Lae'zel, so I assumed it was Orin the whole time. Left her cat tho.
Also when you sleep with Mizora, if you are in a relationship with anyone besides Shadowheart, Halsin or Astarian, they will instantly break up with you
I have no idea about her character. In my playthrough she vanished after SH became a religious Zealot. All I know is Jaheira was in the first game too. Would you mind to explain why it's out of character for her to not react to this?
I didn't know Minsc was a good guy. I just found him in the sewers, which triggering a fight, and he seemed like the boss of the fight. So he died. I didn't even know you could do non lethal attacks.
I agree that most of these are terrible choices. Except letting the Gordians die. After witnessing their stupidity during the fight to save them, I can confidently say that burning in hell for eternity is too good for them.
For some reason having sex with Mizora does not break your Paladin oath either, I did it as Devotion and Vengeance and nothing happened. Kinda funny really.
@@67Lich Give it a try! I think one reason it might not track as being so bad or oathbreaking is because it's just a brief fling and I was romancing Shadowheart at the time, who is totally cool with it, Wyll disapproved but he didn't chew me out or bring up what sex with Mizora entails. (Could also be bug, or could also be that the souls are people who are not as noble and kind as Wyll.) Part of the fun of the game is that you can play the horny bard trope without actually being a bard, reminds me of the Steamy Romance Novels from WoW but I'm actually playing it in real time lol.
The grenades in wyrms rock are great. You just need to throw them before they explode. Shooting all the launchers when combat is over is annoying though.
If you all are following Astarion’s storyline then letting him ascend make no sense to me personally. He was tortured, used and abused for 200 years by Cazador. Leaving him to become the very image of the person who is was scared before is cruel. Astarion deserves redemption and letting live all the victims that Cazador ordered him to bring him for years was his hero moment. In his good ending, he is finally letting the person he was before die so he can start a new life by your side. The way he killed Cazador after you convince him not to finish the ritual and the way he started crying hit close to home for me.
@@juandelacruz3023it takes either a persuasion check, leave Astarion out of the fight (with the right dialogue) or kill one of the sibling spawn before opening the sarcophagus I haven’t tried this but opening the sarcophagus as Astarion alone won’t ascend him either
@@juandelacruz3023 you just have to pass a check to convince him not to do the ritual, which he approves of, then he thanks you profusely the next day for saving him & says a bunch of other beautiful things about you helping him become a better person & stopping centuries of abuse rather than repeating it
If you kill Mizora while she’s in the mindflayer pod, Will gets immediately dragged down to hell, confused and screaming. Karlach is extremely upset if she sees you do this.
wait, if I don't let Astarion ascend, doesn't he starts turning to a regular vampire that can't be a daywalker anymore? and for Karlach, the only thing i found is to keep her alive is to make sure Wyll doesn't break his pact with Mizora, sucks but at least Karlach will get to live while staying with Wyll in Avernus, kicking asses
I’m sure he’d rather be live in night than ascend to a vampire and basically be lonely forever. When he ascends, he’s no longer Astarion, he basically just becomes a power hungry monster who doesn’t care for anyone
@@nemofish3504 i know, but i already feel like he was ready to take in any power even in the first one, he was willing to take advantage of the tadpole to the fullest. If I remember right, you didn't even need to convince him to use it. He was game as hell.
That’s true, but I’m pretty sure he only wants it because he’s terrified of Cazador coming after him and wants to use that power to keep himself safe. Not saying he isn’t someone who wants power, but at least when he’s a spawn he still has emotions and he’s still himself, whereas he’s basically just a pure monster as ascended.
@@bastiisalivenot really in my party, if i talk to him about accepting the half illithid transformation, he will hesitate and once i fail the check, the option just gone forever
@@nemofish3504problem being in the ending companion scene, its either him having merry owning newfound power and his old master place/servants, or got burnt by the sun and back to the old vampire spawn routine
honestly the AI of all the gondians in the factory is SO terrible and acts so stupidly that even if you try to save the factory workers and they get out alive from the initial fight, the lower level fight will kill all of them except the blind dude potentially. So really, considering how infuriating it is to try and save them, you can just let them die in peace bc they die anyway.
you can also blow up the steel watch with the runepowder bomb from wulbren. It will cause a scene where wulbren asks you to kill the last remaining gondian. (the guy who has the codes to blow it up)
during my first playthrough jahira died so when I got to fight minsc I didn't knew he was actually friendly. I just recently discover he is a friendly party member during my second playthrough
Interesting: my solution to the Cazador fight didn’t trigger that bit about Astarion being tempted to ascend. In my first two attempts at that battle my party narrowly lost. In my third attempt, I switched things up by foregoing the dialogue scene and just attacking Cazador as soon as we were within range (which has the benefit of keeping Astarion in the fight instead of having him captured in the cut scene). Also during that attempt, I targeted and killed one of Astarion’s bound-up siblings, because I thought maybe that would break Cazador’s ritual. I’m not sure if it had any effect, because in that run I also got kind of lucky and killed Cazador early enough that he didn’t have time to complete the ritual anyway. We won on that run, and after the battle the cut scene was only about Astarion’s amazement at being free and the weighty choice of whether to free or destroy the imprisoned vampire spawn. There was nothing there abou Astarion wanting to take over the ritual. I wonder if that was because I attacked without talking to Cazador, or because I made the ritual impossible by killing one of the bound vampires, or both.
It was likely the latter. Astarion needs Cazador to take his place when recreating the ritual, but he would also need all the other bound spawns with runes to still be alive for it to work.
Im so mad, in my honour mode i saved Volo fought all the people then clicked help on him and the barrels exploded. No option to rewind..ugh i love that goof
wylls reaction to you sleeping with mizora being directed at mizora is because in the original story for his character he is actually in love with her and to an extent her loving him back.
Astarion gets an upgrated bite XD yeah thats not the powerful thing. He also gets 1d10 necrotic dmg to every attack. Also he can transform into a cloud which can be useful to get to certain spots. And from a character perspective he sacrefices 7000 basically undead for himself to being able to walk in sunlight (after the final cutscene) and to be able to eat normal food again. Does he go overboard? yes. But we also do not know how it turns out
To be fair, the companions reactions are weak af during most of your decisions. I'm guessing you still can't take over a conversation as another character? There was a massive patch but I doubt they change it.
12:47 so truuuuue. I had to heal him two times as he was down because one of the enemies set something on fire next to him and he started to take damage, lol
Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it at your side!" Tav: "Okay, help me." Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it at your side!" Tav: "You're not a real companion, are you?" Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it!" Tav: "You're just going to recycle that one line for the rest of the game, are you?" Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it!" Honestly, screw her, if she's just gonna freeload and make out with Isobel at my camp for the rest of the game, betraying her at least makes her somewhat useful to someone. It's the best choice really and it contributes to you saving the world, honestly...
The Minsc one has a flip side. At one point during the Dark Urge storyline, you will be confronted by Minsc and his fellow warriors due to your actions (if you play the hero, they'll instead be incredibly happy with you). At this point, passing a skill check will make you take over Minsc's mind and force him to kill his blonde haired ally. He will naturally be horrifically upset and enraged by your actions, but it takes one less soul out of the coming fight. But, again, you are literally taking a kind hearted heroic barbarian and making him unwillingly and brutally impale his long time companion through the heart. It's a VERY cruel thing to do.
My astarion gave a complelty different speach, praising the silence of not being hungry and then comroderating us for helping him. Only dark thing he talks about is building up a new thrall army but hey, vampires amirite. And he gets more than an upgraded vampire bite, all of his melee attacks deal an extra 1d10 necrotic damage.
I can’t do the Shadowheart quest on the playthrough my boyfriend and I have because dumbass talked to Ailyn while Shadowheart was dead before I could revive her. I’m so mad.
When Orin takes Lae'Zel and holds Yenna hostage in the camp, if you say the wrong thing she will slit the kid's throat. The screen doesn't turn black either.
I think both choises in Astarions quest are bad. On one hand you have Astarion go crazy, and one the other you release 9000 vampire spawns unto the world.
There are more nuances. You can reject the ritual and just Astarion's 6 vampire siblings stay alive. Realeasing the other 6993 spawns is a different matter.
if you loot his corpse he got several bombs to enhance steel watchers abilities, without them the fight totally easy. Just him and 2 or 3 people in the room (granted you destroyed the foundry first)
act 3 bugged out pretty bad for me just by missing gortash’s coronation, so i had to sell wyll’s soul to revive his father, who then proceeded to die anyway in the loading screen between the fortress and the lower city because of a bug….
I didn't even get the chance to see minsc let alone kill him-the quest glitched and I wasn't able to advance it beyond having jaheira say that we needed to find him 😭
I did sacrifice nightsong to lorroakan and he joined me in the final battle. Ngl a wise choice since his flameburst almost instakilled the imperator and his dragon and made the fight so much easier 😂
I think my game is bugged cause Orin kidnapped Lae'zel but the little girl is also missing from my camp and nothing I do seems to make her reappear, even after I killed Orin and freed Lae'zel.
Dark Urge, Romance Minthara, Astarion Ascends, and Shadowheat becomes a Dark J. Very easy to play, once you kill your first few innocents in cold blood including a companion or two. 😂
You missed the most horrible choice of the entire game: give Scratch back to the abusive kennel lady.
Thats not even a choice, the witch dies in every playthrough
Wtf is that even a thing
Nooooo...I didn't...never gonna happen 😐
Even on evil play-throughs, nobody would consider such a thing.
That's the kind of choice the Dark Urge is gonna take you aside for and and ask what's wrong with you.
The Emperor telling you to kill Minsc was the reddest of flags.
I think the point there is that the Emperor is just chess player. A bit dumb martial fighter won't play a huge role anyway. So it was choice between:
- Spend even more power from the Emperor to save Minsc from the Elderbrain, while being very close to it.
- Kill Minsc, which means, that we kinda free him from suffering (and possible mindlfayer staff) and don't spend extra resources.
None of this choices play any positive role in the end result. Yeah, we can make Minsc part of our party, but counting his character it will be quite few gain for huge effort. We have much more powerful allies in form of all saved tieflings on top of support from city and monster hunters. So no real red flag, unless you just mark Illithids as evil by default.
That is opinion based on BG3 story only, I didn't play other games, so don't know which role Minsc played earlier.
Yeah, that was the snapping point where I decided to enter the House of Hope and get the Hammer to free Prince Orpheus.
@@davidacruzcorrea4359 for me, i decide to betray the emperor when the story revealed that the emperor hide many things from us, and the top point is when he reveal that he mind controlled duke stelmane
@@maksymisaiev1828Minsc is a true hero, has proven himself capable of being a massive asset (he's a legend thanks to BG2), and the Emperor wanting to kill him is just another way for Larian to say "THIS GUY IS EVIL!" If turning Stelmane into a mind-controlled puppet wasn't enough.
@@maksymisaiev1828 You don't have to have played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 to know Minsc is a hero along with Jaheira. Passing what should be an easy history check, the game tells you how the two (along with other companions) saved the city in more than one ocassion (twice at least)
The reason why he sees him as a threat is because Minsc's case is similar, if not the same as the gnoll warlord in act 1, whose tadpole was having a hard time controlling its mind because of how dense and simple-minded they can be since it is more of a beast than an "intelligent" humanoid creature.
If you check Minsc mental stats, they are all below 10 (mind you, in DnD 10 is the average stat of a normal human, so Minsc having around like 8 and 6 in INT, WIS and CHA reflects how much of a dimwit he is), meaning he is not the adequate individual to tadpole and control and the sole reason they managed to keep him in check is because of the doppleganger impersonating Jaheira. There is a reason why mindflayer infect intelligent humanoids like human and elves and as we all know, Minsc is anything but intelligent.
Killing Minsc is just depressing especially with him being the kindest purest soul in the game and Boo running toward his corpse
Out of curiosity, how were you supposed to even know not to kill him?
@@Joenah5 logic I guess... ngl I had to search on the net because I thought I either missed a part of the quest or there was a bug
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 looking it up myself, I think it might have been because Jaheira died when I stormed Moonrise Tower (she just sort of charged in and got killed, had to be told by a friend that she was even a potential party member, otherwise I'd have had no clue. Kinda like Minthara, but at least there she only really joins you if you're doing an evil playthrough so there wasn't any real way of knowing) because Minsc was only ever presented to me as an enemy in act 3 and apparently she's necessary for him joining you.
@@Joenah5 I don't think she's necessary but yhea Minsc whole questline revolve around Jaheira, She mention him when you get to Baldur's gate and you can choose to just give up on him or investigate. But if you're someone who goes around every interesting building in the city you might just cross path with minsc out of absolutely nowhere wich can be confusing I admit.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 for me I was doing the thieves guild quest and I was told that the stone lord was dangerous and bad, so I didn’t really have any reason to believe Minsc wasn’t just another miniboss
Most cursed decision is letting Karlach transform into a mindflayer and then betray her when facing the netherbrain
That was the most sad thing I ever seen.
You can actually save Will and his father, you have to save Will from this contract, go to Iron Throne and cover the father with Pixie Blessing (Pixie from lantern act 2) or with Sphere of Immunity, and all the spiderlings blow up, but don't cause any damage, then you save him from prison and so you tricked Mizora, and you even can laugh at her, that she didn't succeed - This game is amazing
Sanctuary and some heals work as well, the spiders aren't too difficult to take out either if you brought along some multi-target attack spells. Honorable mentions to Dimension Door and Arcane Gate, as well.
you can also just jump far out of your cell with him, then the spiders cant catch up lol
I always send Shadowheart to his cell and heal him constantly to ensure that even if the spiders blow up, he's not dead as a result
Easier way: gateway, sancturary, or throw invisibility potion. Spiders are only targetting Ravengard so it's real free estate
If you have the illithid ability Black Hole you can draw all the spiders away from Ravengard and blow them up in relative safety. If you also have Haste by spell or potion, you can do it all in 1 round: Draw the spiders away, use a ranged attack to blow up 1 of them, and the explosion on 1 spider will damage the other spiders. One of them will blow up and set off a chain reaction.
Damn betraying shadowheart really hurt... she had such great ups and downs in her story...
Im trying to make he like me more. It seems she doesnt like my slightly evil Drow 😢
@@kamata93 i play a slightly evil drow and she loves me
@@kamata93yeah that’s just you bro she loves me and i haven’t even got to the blighted village
I like Shadowheart but Viconia is my bae. Gotta respect my Bhaalspawn's girlfriend.
@@nobuflow6800 i mean, blighted village is optional. So what did you do instead?
The wild part is how op invisibility is, you can literally bypass somethings in this game. Save volo without having to worry about the fire, just have someone be invisible and stand next to him or free him before cutscene triggers.
You can even skip like the whole kethric fight and just fight the avatar of myrkul, you need to find all the letters and notes from the main floor of moonrise, same floor as balthazaars room, when you free nightsong and then confront kethric you can persuade him to surrender and not even fight him till you get to the mind flayer colony below, and LITERALLY INVISIBILITY TO NIGHTSONG before confronting kethric, and then you keep sweet talkin the dude to make him force surrender himself to myrkul, bro this game is wild on the ways to tackle a situation.
in DOS you can skip MAJOR boss fight with invis, only the mandatory 3 last bosses that you cant skip. Truly Larian gaming
I got to skip the first part by having 22 charisma, beguiling influence, and basically talked him into killing himself. He still turns into the avatar after though but it sounds like it's literally Myrkul just puppeting his body against his will.
For me Volo was one of those perfect cases for Misty Step. Gale acted first, and immediately teleported past the whole fight to free Volo instantly.
I usually use it to bypass those damn snipers in the Bhaal temple. That fight does nothing but slow the game down.
I just do the fight with 0 cheese and first round have Gale Dimension Door to the Nightsong w/ my support and help her off her bindings. DD is that busted.
I recently started a Dark Urge evil run and found that my min/maxing gamer heart cannot bear how much you lose by picking evil options for either no or very little gain. It seems like this is something they might patch: more evil companions, more quest chains that you can do as an evil person to replace a lot of the quest chains you miss out on by killing the NPCs you'd need to save to see them later, etc.
This usually happens when you murder-hobo your way through game
@@Keram-io8hvit’s not really murder hoboing if it’s a narrative choice
@@Keram-io8hvthey literally gave us murder-hobo origin with one single interest in life “kill them all”, but forget to give some loot, quests and overall content.
"Crime doesnt pay."
That's how you know this game is fictional. 😂
@The_Hoss and your narative choice is killing potential allies and the info they have with it. DND has been and always be a game of action will equal consequences
Wow, I saved and reloaded to see Astarion transformation, and my dialogue when he ascended wasn't bad. He was just happy that he didn't need to fear the sun anymore and that Cazador was dead. Apparently, it changes depending on what we've been doing.
No matter what you do, ascended astarion is evil. Maybe romance astarion is kind to you but one of bad endings in the game is basically being enslaved by ascended astarion.
Yeah, my ending was actually nice with him ascended. He wanted to know what I wanted to do now that we’re vampires and I said I wanted to travel. So he goes “we’ll travel the world together, feasting on everything we see. Oh this will be fun!”
That to me seems like a good ending… in the terms of being a vampire. I don’t know how nice it is to the human race 😂
@phugindomas I believe there's variations, this one you mentioned is probably if he hates you, but there's good versions.
Even if he’s nice to you when he’s ascended, he doesn’t actually care for you lol you’re just a possession to thin at that point. Ascended vampires are basically just pure vampires.
He might love you as a spawn, but if you let him ascend, all of his feelings for you basically become nonexistent and only views you as his play thing.
Make sure to feed all your companions the astral tadpole, leaving them hideously disfigured for life
Astarion absolutely recoils at the mere idea of taking the astral tadpole if you ask him. He isn't all about wanting power. He tells you he was traumatized enough when he was turned into a vampire and felt his body transforming against his will, and he doesn't want to turn into a half-illithid. If you're cruel you can force him, by interfacing with his mind via the tadpole and unearthing his _worst_ memory of what Cazador did to him (The Year of Hell) and blackmail him with it, telling him he needs to get stronger to face Cazador and the tadpole is the only way, then he will reluctantly take it, but it traumatized him further.
Yea... Your Astarion assencion and mine were very difficult.
Mine was more glad that he was free of Cazador and happy that we didn't need to release 10000 vampire spawn into the city to forever feed on the populous. It was the best way to deal with it.
To be honest, I actually think I did the Gondian quest one step more evil in my Durge run. I told the guy in the factory I would save their families, went on the sub and stepped onto the Iron Throne but as soon as we landed I went back causing it to explode, killing everyone. Back in the factory I used deception to convince Toobin his daughter is safe, caused all the collars to explode and then used the Runepowder Bomb to destroy the factory. Toobin was the only Gondian alive at this point and Wulbren told him he saw his daughters corpse floating in the water. Toobin called me a bastard then we all ganged up on him and killed him. Fun times!
Those choices are bad but what Wulbren said is so uncalled for wtf
Are you some kind of pervert? Are you even safe to be around?
When I tried to save volo in act 3, I took out all the goons and didn’t notice the trail of fire. I started looting the corpses and….boom goes volo.
I saved him, but then I ran into a bug, where I couldn't talk to him. So he might as well have died.
Happened to me too when I wasn’t paying attention. I’m glad create water exists after that, no need to worry about the timing.
I just threw a bottle of water at him first thing and kept him tied and watching me cut the goons to ribbons 😂😂😂
@@IchBinDieLy1 I ran into a bug where I could talk to barcus and the other guy after they argued and I somehow got credit for both.
same
The really stupid part of Wyll's soul deal is it is so damn easy to accidently not save the Duke because blowing up the Steel Legion causes the Iron Throne to also explode and wipe out everyone inside. Something you can't possibly know will happen and the game makes no warning like major choices earlier in the game.
You can also break the contract and still save his dad
Yeah, the hardest part of act 3 in my first run was to choose where to strike first, Iron Throne of the Steel Foundry since they are both Gortash's facility. Glad i picked Iron Throne first, apparently no Steel Watcher there, just need pots of speed
I think there was plenty of lore warning from the quest, gortash leading the duke away during the ceremony, the councilor held prisoner mentioning it, etc.
Dude. Gondians inside that factory outright tell you about the prison and the stakes.
Yeah that really pissed me off in my first runthrough. I tried so hard to save the gondians I couldn’t bring myself to go thru that stupid shit again 💀
Sadly, if you didn’t keep Jahira alive in act 2 (I snuck around and went upstairs, but she died), then you can’t save/recruit Minsc
It's also stupid because Jahira just charges into death in the Moonrise Towers fight. I filled the arena with AOE traps thinking she would be smart enough to just stay back and watch the fight end, but the idiot charged right into it and died
@@patriotapocalypse8199 you can actually command jaheira as a companion on that fight, using the right speech
Jaheria if she survives last light and you tell her to walk away she will eventually confront you with harpers when you leave bhaals temple as his chosen so fucking cool
One freaking funny thing about exploding the factory is that if you have summons, they all stay behind and absolutely fine inside the control room (stuck until you dismiss them tho). xD
I had fun murdering Lorroakan and looting his vaults. I lied to him about having killed the Nightsong (I freed her) but I wasn't sure I trusted that he wouldn't come after me/her anyway. So instead I slammed him pretty hard and had a nice stroll through his vaults. Got a pretty sick staff out of it.
My warrior has a big ego and every time some one demands something, they get the opposite of it. I didn’t even know what he wanted with nightsong. He demanded nightsong, so I smashed him in 1 turn. Shouldn’t have stood next to an Eldritch Knight with no armor bud.
lol i told Aylin about this...and she straightup broke him like a twig
@@Positivectrl 🤣yeah just did that a couple of days ago, that cutscene is hilarious she just breaks his back on her knee 😭
Too bad you missed dame breaking that wizard back.
in my first encounter i convinced him as well, but he’s such an asshole i decided to reload and kill him. also a huge bonus is that rolan (my fav grump) gets freed from his abuse and becomes the new owner of the tower
He doesn’t just get an upgraded vampire bite, he also get an guaranteed 10 necrotic damage per hit and gives you people to help in the final fight
What is the bad part then?
@@guifire9747 not bad gameplay wise more morally wise bc you sacrifice 7000 thralls, but without spoilers it helps him in the end anyway and as a bonus makes him way more powerful in combat so I don’t see the problem with it especially bc the people you sacrifice are vampires
@@Chiefqueef230 It's bad if you want a satisfying romance with him but otherwise him ascending is great lol
@@Momofan69 how’s it change your romance with him?
@@Chiefqueef230it makes him evil and he stops actually caring for you, sees you as nothing more than a pathetic tool and offers to make you into his slave
i appreciate you actually including astarion in this vid, unlike the last 1, & i completely agree that letting him ascend is the worst possible decision ever, though i'd say that even worse than the 7000 deaths is the fact that it turns him into a completely different character with no soul, no emotions, no capacity to love, no chance at redemption, ever, & it's even more horrifying if you're romancing him because it changes the entire relationship from 2 ppl in love to an abusive, posessive hellscape where he treats you just the way cazador treated him for 2 centuries, which was what he had always hated from the moment you meet him, & turning him into that is just nauseating. though i don't know if 'completely unhinged' is the term i'd use; he's terrified in the face of his abuser, blinded & intoxicated by the thought of finally becoming powerful enough to never be hurt again, that is what the narrator says when you pass the insight check. & if you actually DO stop him, he approves of the choice & thanks you profusely the next day for believing he could be better & that he could stop centuries of abuse, instead of just repeating it again
Fr, i will never understand the people who think it's better for him from a story standpoint. "He deserves better than he had!" Absolutely! That's why we killed his master!! With Cazador dead, he's going to get to live better and that's amazing! By ascending him, you're killing his soul. I honestly can't fathom being okay with the changes in him if you romanced him, unless all you cared about was fetishizing his vampirism. The man who earnestly told you he thinks you're incredible is dead and someone who looks like him and thinks of you as his little pet has taken his place.
@@primrosett yeah maybe if you were doing an evil playthrough & NOT romancing him & didn't care about his entire backstory at all & just wanted a powerful vampire badass on your side (temporarily), then MAYBE you'd somehow be ok with it? but i CANNOT understand how anyone romancing him, evil or no, would EVER be ok with spending 200 hrs building up an honest & true relationship with him, & then go & ACTIVELY CHOOSE the option that literally makes him incapable of ever feeling love... how does that make sense in any dimension? to CHOOSE to make your romantic partner unable to feel love ever again? i will never ever get it at all
Here are two other bad choices: One is to tell Astarion you will help with the ascend and then stop the ritual, in this case he will turn on you and you will have to kill him, so the ascend ending is actually not that bad.
The second one to the submit to Bhaal while playing as dark urge after kill Orin, which in this case Jaheira will turn on you and you will have to kill her. Man it hurts, I only did it for the achievement. But I didn’t save Minsc in that run so maybe you will have to kill them both if you did save him as well.
For me they just left ...
Betraying shadowheart just seems fucking unthinkable. Like she's with you FROM THE START....through evreything and you just....throw her away
Hell yea
I killed shadowheart at the start because she was mean to lae zel 😤
@@banko-xv4rt Hey, cool down! Laezel is mean to everybody, I still romanced her in my first playthrew. Astarion even puts a knife to your throat and wants to pull out your innards.
@@What_do_I_Think lol YOU cool down. Bae'zel invites the whole party to the zaith'isk and says she'll vouch for them to the other gith even though she barely has any reason to, Astarion thinks you're an illithid thrall when he pulls the knife and immediately backs down when he realises you're not (and lol wtf, he doesn't want to pull out your innards?! That would be messy and wasteful).
Personally, I can excuse those but jumping a useful warrior ally who is also offering us a way to zap the tadpole, in camp while they sleep, is not smart OR nice. Act 3 Shadowheart is lovely, but pre-redemption-arc in Act 1 she's awful and it's okay to be honest about that
@@eclecticcode I do what I want, not you.
*Plonk*
Lorroakan fight ain’t too bad if you feed him a couple lvl 4 divine smites from a Sorcadin. Then it’s just a clean up on aisle 3.
Some of the bad choices in the game are so abrupt that they catch me super off guard. Like betraying Shadowheart, I wouldn't have imagined that agreeing would just end her role in the story. There's room for lots of interesting stuff to happen if Shadowheart rejoins the Sharrans, and I went to some lengths in my first playthrough to keep her Sharran, so I was pretty disappointed that I couldn't side with them and still keep Shadowheart.
I never played the first 2 games so I had no idea who Minsc was. One day I was just exploring the sewers planning a bank heist, killed a few cultists and suddenly one of my companions whose life I'd saved several times over tells me to go die in a hole and leaves. Biggest bruh moment of my playthrough haha
Jahiera, Nettie and Viconia also appear as companions in the first two games.
@@MandalorianRevan If you explore Jahiera's house you'll find a locket from her husband Khalid who was in BG1
Minsc and Jaheira are both in Neverwinter.Elminster pops up too.
If you play _as_ Astarion in a companion run, he does get far more powers from his Ascension than just an upgraded bite plus Cazador's staff. He can summon creatures in the final battle and other stuff. Larian probably didn't put that in if Astarion is a companion, because it might unbalance the game compared to the other companions. But yeah, from a roleplaying standpoint he tainted his soul by destroying all those souls (and Mephistopheles who gave the ritual to Cazador might come collecting one day).
Its the same if hes a companion. This guy said he only gets the enhanced bite but hes wrong.
I mean id say the free 1d10 necrotic damage he gets on weapon attacks is the best upgrade he gets from it.
Crime that it isnt mentioned here.
Havent tried it but id imagine if you have ascended astarion go thief rogue/open hand monk multiclass with the gloves you get from hope after saving her from raphael which adds a 1d10 force to unarmed attacks that can get pretty insane.
Another horrible thing you can do is after you've made Shadowheart a chosen of Shar you can take her to the house of grief. Shar will ask Shadowheart to kill her parents.... you can let this happen and the whole scene is traumatizing.
I was hoping to see this one on the list! It may be not as 'cursed' as say instantly killing 7000 people but the image of Jen- I mean Shadowheart celebrating her final trial with a smile and my char in the background giving that wtf just happened look will be in my head for a loooong time.
I thought they all want you to trust them make the big choices for themselves so when it came to killing/not killing nightsong and shadowhearts parents , I kept out of it and let her decide what she wanted to do. Her parents turned into balls of light then she got sad and I hugged her. Is that killing the parents? Should I choose for her if I want to save them and get a happy ending for her?
The worst is handing scratch to the abusive houndhandler lady. That one really hurts.
For me, letting Orin to kill her hostage were hilarious (and because she captured a girl and not someone useful). The whole scene were a part of the dark urge’s quest to bully Orin.
It was like “c’mon, do the thing already, stop talking”
I believe it's a lesser evil to let astarion ascend. The alternative is unleashing 7000 vampire spawn into the world, are you telling me that there are enough criminals that are bad enough to be bad for them to be fed to a vampire? And that every single one of them is going to stay in the underdark? There's no way
I didnt ascend him and let the spawns go. In the end they told me that they live in the sewers and astarions 6 brothers and sisters take care of them. Aint that bad
I mean nothing stops you from stopping Astarion and still kill all the 7000 spawns.
Also, 7000 vampires is not that bad. The underdark has a bunch of terrible things, including an entire population of evil Lolth lover drows who are also not forced to stay there.
going to the iron throne first and rescuing at least a few gondians makes saving the rest of the gondians at the steel watch foundry much easier. (that, and unlocking that door won't result in the deaths of all those factory workers)
After ascension Astarion also provides additional support in the final battle in the form of undead allies
More cursed to kill mizora in the mindflayer colony, especially with karlach in the party.
Volo will leave your camp way before Act 3 if you let him attempt to remove your tadpole. For me he basically always left as soon as he arrived, because the eye you get from him is actually pretty good.
I was forced to kill Minsc. Jaheira died in the battle at The Last Light Inn, so she was never in my camp and I never got to use her as a companion. As a result, when you find Minc and the fake Jaheira there's no way to convince him to change sides. I even beat him down with non-lethal attacks and got a cutscene where the narrator all but tells you that without her with your group, he can't be redeemed. He then immediately attacks again and you have to kill him to complete the quest.
Bit of advice, focus more on why these are bad decisions. Gameplay ratifications etc... some ones you do this and others feel like the ubruptly end. Love the videos otherwise :)
If blowing up an orphanage doesn't have visible gameplay consequences other than making some encounter easier, I'm pushing the button. If that prevents me from getting the Flaming Sword of Asswooping or prevents me from romancing this cute caretaker, I will reconsider.
Damn i need to get the game. I knew Misc, Jaheira, Volo, and Eliminster had cameos.....but now I see Viconia and Sarevok...i wonder who else, Imoen? Irenicus? Yoshimo? Aerie?
1:48 - “I don’t think this is enough to justify Astarion going completely over to the Dark Side”
Dark Urge: “I don’t remember asking you for your opinion”
Me: Oh, sweetheart. Him going to the dark side is the goal. Power buff is a bonus! XD
The Bhaalist armor is a good reward for becoming an unholy assassin.
I did a more sinister choice for the Gondians quest. After we blew up the factory, I ve butchered them with Ironhand gnomes to my side. Cause, well, Gondians were planning to make a run for it afterwards, and I wanted all the muscle I can have for the absolute fight, and an alliance with a clan of gnomes that can build runepowder explosive devices sounded quite good as a role play choice for my cleric of Talos XD
ascended astarion also get 1d10 necrotic damage on every weapon attack. with some builds you can get 19 attacks a turn. id say its worth it
What build, for example?
I didn't know Vin Diesel was in the game as Sarevok.
While that isn't a "bad" ending at all just straight out badass and in-tune with BG plot i think you missed one that would fit perfectly into this video... usurping control over Netherbrain from the Cult and leading a massive army of mind flayers to slaughter all beings the Multiverse in the name of Bhaal.
Wow. Well did not have this reaction with me. He simply said something about hope you don’t make that mistake again. I didn’t realize what the pleasures meant I thought it was just observing these horrible places.
I appreciate these videos cause I tried to play and just really don’t have time in my life. Cheers!
Or if you find Wyll’s father you’ll find out Misora killed him and offers to bring him back in exchange 🤪
Seeing as I looked in the sewers for minsc, couldn’t find his marker she supposedly put on the map, changed my party, stumbled on his lair, killed him went back to my camp and Jaherra decided to leave
If Jaheira is dead by act 3, killing Minsc seems to be unavoidable, unless you skip that entire questline. This is a real shame. I really wanted to recruit him, but I didn't feel like falling back to my act 2 save file just for this.
I've always wondered what happens with Orin if you've killed all companions besides the ones in your group.
Who is she going to kidnap then? Scratch?
I guess she'd kidnap the kid
@@Demonex118 kill her too
You actually cannot refuse the kid to come to your camp, I guess it is Larians’s last safe when someone plays as a lone wolf.
@@陈舒天-h9t correct but you can kill her
@@陈舒天-h9t But so the kid is actually a kid then? Cause she disappeared from my camp after Orin kidnapped Lae'zel, so I assumed it was Orin the whole time. Left her cat tho.
Also when you sleep with Mizora, if you are in a relationship with anyone besides Shadowheart, Halsin or Astarian, they will instantly break up with you
I legit cannot watch the scene where you betray Shadowheart, and I've shot Mordin in the back
Jaheira doesn't disapprove of you turning over Shadowheart to the Shar cult? REALLY?! Larian really needs to finish Act 3.
I have no idea about her character. In my playthrough she vanished after SH became a religious Zealot. All I know is Jaheira was in the first game too.
Would you mind to explain why it's out of character for her to not react to this?
I didn't know Minsc was a good guy. I just found him in the sewers, which triggering a fight, and he seemed like the boss of the fight. So he died. I didn't even know you could do non lethal attacks.
I agree that most of these are terrible choices. Except letting the Gordians die. After witnessing their stupidity during the fight to save them, I can confidently say that burning in hell for eternity is too good for them.
About Minsc, he is incredibly easy to tie down with Hold Person. I never even raise my weapons against him until everyone else in that room is dead.
For me all Gondians except the blind one died anyway. They were like pandas during the fights in the foundry, trying to die with every move.
For some reason having sex with Mizora does not break your Paladin oath either, I did it as Devotion and Vengeance and nothing happened.
Kinda funny really.
Good to know because now I know what I'm doing on my current playthrough...
@@67Lich Give it a try! I think one reason it might not track as being so bad or oathbreaking is because it's just a brief fling and I was romancing Shadowheart at the time, who is totally cool with it, Wyll disapproved but he didn't chew me out or bring up what sex with Mizora entails. (Could also be bug, or could also be that the souls are people who are not as noble and kind as Wyll.)
Part of the fun of the game is that you can play the horny bard trope without actually being a bard, reminds me of the Steamy Romance Novels from WoW but I'm actually playing it in real time lol.
Well, I don't remember "though shall not bone the hellish booty" in either of the Oaths.
@@67Lichit cost only 1000 gold to buy your oath back after breaking it😅
Ahhhhh Church. Never change! Not even in fiction :D@@陈舒天-h9t
How the hell did I miss shadowhearts final quest Bit, didn’t know you could save her parents
The grenades in wyrms rock are great. You just need to throw them before they explode. Shooting all the launchers when combat is over is annoying though.
They patched, now they explode mid air and damage you if you throw them
If you all are following Astarion’s storyline then letting him ascend make no sense to me personally.
He was tortured, used and abused for 200 years by Cazador. Leaving him to become the very image of the person who is was scared before is cruel. Astarion deserves redemption and letting live all the victims that Cazador ordered him to bring him for years was his hero moment. In his good ending, he is finally letting the person he was before die so he can start a new life by your side.
The way he killed Cazador after you convince him not to finish the ritual and the way he started crying hit close to home for me.
How can you have a good ending with him? He ran away after i didnt help him with the ritual
@@juandelacruz3023it takes either a persuasion check, leave Astarion out of the fight (with the right dialogue) or kill one of the sibling spawn before opening the sarcophagus
I haven’t tried this but opening the sarcophagus as Astarion alone won’t ascend him either
@@juandelacruz3023 you just have to pass a check to convince him not to do the ritual, which he approves of, then he thanks you profusely the next day for saving him & says a bunch of other beautiful things about you helping him become a better person & stopping centuries of abuse rather than repeating it
You can also betray Minsc to Sarevok at the Baal court
If you kill Mizora while she’s in the mindflayer pod, Will gets immediately dragged down to hell, confused and screaming. Karlach is extremely upset if she sees you do this.
That one was covered in the Acts 1 and 2 video!
wait, if I don't let Astarion ascend, doesn't he starts turning to a regular vampire that can't be a daywalker anymore?
and for Karlach, the only thing i found is to keep her alive is to make sure Wyll doesn't break his pact with Mizora, sucks but at least Karlach will get to live while staying with Wyll in Avernus, kicking asses
I’m sure he’d rather be live in night than ascend to a vampire and basically be lonely forever. When he ascends, he’s no longer Astarion, he basically just becomes a power hungry monster who doesn’t care for anyone
@@nemofish3504 i know, but i already feel like he was ready to take in any power even in the first one, he was willing to take advantage of the tadpole to the fullest. If I remember right, you didn't even need to convince him to use it. He was game as hell.
That’s true, but I’m pretty sure he only wants it because he’s terrified of Cazador coming after him and wants to use that power to keep himself safe.
Not saying he isn’t someone who wants power, but at least when he’s a spawn he still has emotions and he’s still himself, whereas he’s basically just a pure monster as ascended.
@@bastiisalivenot really in my party, if i talk to him about accepting the half illithid transformation, he will hesitate and once i fail the check, the option just gone forever
@@nemofish3504problem being in the ending companion scene, its either him having merry owning newfound power and his old master place/servants, or got burnt by the sun and back to the old vampire spawn routine
Stabbing mindflayer karlach is the worst, or let orin kill yenna on the table and then with yenna through a spell
honestly the AI of all the gondians in the factory is SO terrible and acts so stupidly that even if you try to save the factory workers and they get out alive from the initial fight, the lower level fight will kill all of them except the blind dude potentially. So really, considering how infuriating it is to try and save them, you can just let them die in peace bc they die anyway.
Idk man killing everyone in the grove without siding with the goblins is pretty bad 😅
you can also blow up the steel watch with the runepowder bomb from wulbren. It will cause a scene where wulbren asks you to kill the last remaining gondian. (the guy who has the codes to blow it up)
during my first playthrough jahira died so when I got to fight minsc I didn't knew he was actually friendly. I just recently discover he is a friendly party member during my second playthrough
Oh come on! Even Elminster would choose to let Volo die.😂
Muahahahah
He cant die right? i mean, not this easy. Not like Mystra would allow it in the first place
@vince4503 Pretty sure he can't.
Sadly.
Interesting: my solution to the Cazador fight didn’t trigger that bit about Astarion being tempted to ascend. In my first two attempts at that battle my party narrowly lost. In my third attempt, I switched things up by foregoing the dialogue scene and just attacking Cazador as soon as we were within range (which has the benefit of keeping Astarion in the fight instead of having him captured in the cut scene). Also during that attempt, I targeted and killed one of Astarion’s bound-up siblings, because I thought maybe that would break Cazador’s ritual. I’m not sure if it had any effect, because in that run I also got kind of lucky and killed Cazador early enough that he didn’t have time to complete the ritual anyway. We won on that run, and after the battle the cut scene was only about Astarion’s amazement at being free and the weighty choice of whether to free or destroy the imprisoned vampire spawn. There was nothing there abou Astarion wanting to take over the ritual. I wonder if that was because I attacked without talking to Cazador, or because I made the ritual impossible by killing one of the bound vampires, or both.
It was likely the latter. Astarion needs Cazador to take his place when recreating the ritual, but he would also need all the other bound spawns with runes to still be alive for it to work.
Yes. al the spawn are needed - as soon as you kill one, Cazador starts cursing you for ruining everything and nobody gets to ascend.
Im so mad, in my honour mode i saved Volo fought all the people then clicked help on him and the barrels exploded. No option to rewind..ugh i love that goof
In by battle I accidentay saved him by casting an ice storm on the mob, extinguishing the fuse.
wylls reaction to you sleeping with mizora being directed at mizora is because in the original story for his character he is actually in love with her and to an extent her loving him back.
Astarion gets an upgrated bite XD yeah thats not the powerful thing. He also gets 1d10 necrotic dmg to every attack. Also he can transform into a cloud which can be useful to get to certain spots. And from a character perspective he sacrefices 7000 basically undead for himself to being able to walk in sunlight (after the final cutscene) and to be able to eat normal food again.
Does he go overboard? yes. But we also do not know how it turns out
14:52 why your companions just stand there with poker faces while you're running away from explosion? O_o
probably unchained his tav, mine chained so they're all ran together
To be fair, the companions reactions are weak af during most of your decisions. I'm guessing you still can't take over a conversation as another character? There was a massive patch but I doubt they change it.
Probably he forgot to tell them about explosion
the funny, slightly sarcastic answer to this would be: Because Act 3 is still in Beta.
12:47 so truuuuue. I had to heal him two times as he was down because one of the enemies set something on fire next to him and he started to take damage, lol
Can you do a video showing all the cut and hidden dialogue from the citadel dlc in ME:LE
Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it at your side!"
Tav: "Okay, help me."
Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it at your side!"
Tav: "You're not a real companion, are you?"
Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it!"
Tav: "You're just going to recycle that one line for the rest of the game, are you?"
Dame Aylin: "I'm here to help you. My sword is here for you. Just speak your word and you shall have it!"
Honestly, screw her, if she's just gonna freeload and make out with Isobel at my camp for the rest of the game, betraying her at least makes her somewhat useful to someone. It's the best choice really and it contributes to you saving the world, honestly...
The Minsc one has a flip side. At one point during the Dark Urge storyline, you will be confronted by Minsc and his fellow warriors due to your actions (if you play the hero, they'll instead be incredibly happy with you). At this point, passing a skill check will make you take over Minsc's mind and force him to kill his blonde haired ally. He will naturally be horrifically upset and enraged by your actions, but it takes one less soul out of the coming fight.
But, again, you are literally taking a kind hearted heroic barbarian and making him unwillingly and brutally impale his long time companion through the heart. It's a VERY cruel thing to do.
If you are astarion ascending aint so bad.
i let wylls father die in the contract but ended up saving him anyways, he survived SPOILER SPOILER mizoras bomb squad
Volo died by accident on one of my playthroughs and I did speak to dead. Check it out sometime. I love this game.
14:50 I think the sacrifice extends to more then just the gondolians
My astarion gave a complelty different speach, praising the silence of not being hungry and then comroderating us for helping him. Only dark thing he talks about is building up a new thrall army but hey, vampires amirite.
And he gets more than an upgraded vampire bite, all of his melee attacks deal an extra 1d10 necrotic damage.
Yenna just disappeared from my camp
I can’t do the Shadowheart quest on the playthrough my boyfriend and I have because dumbass talked to Ailyn while Shadowheart was dead before I could revive her. I’m so mad.
When Orin takes Lae'Zel and holds Yenna hostage in the camp, if you say the wrong thing she will slit the kid's throat. The screen doesn't turn black either.
I mean killing Volo.......come on we were all thinking it.
Damn, never seen a list immediately fall apart with the first thing named
I only ascend astarion
I think both choises in Astarions quest are bad. On one hand you have Astarion go crazy, and one the other you release 9000 vampire spawns unto the world.
you can reject the ritual and kill the 6993 non-main spawn
There are more nuances. You can reject the ritual and just Astarion's 6 vampire siblings stay alive. Realeasing the other 6993 spawns is a different matter.
Wait, so you can destroy Steel Watch before confronting Gortash? I just always wondered why his fight was significally harder than Orin's :D
if you loot his corpse he got several bombs to enhance steel watchers abilities, without them the fight totally easy. Just him and 2 or 3 people in the room (granted you destroyed the foundry first)
The journal tells you this when you first enter the city.
i stole some stuff in a cleric temple, then two god damn devas waltz in my camp and killed my dog.
go steal with hirelings and dismiss them after, if you remove curse with cleric, deva's will spawn
Fantasy ATF went to confiscate your illegaly obtained magic stuff, huh?
act 3 bugged out pretty bad for me just by missing gortash’s coronation, so i had to sell wyll’s soul to revive his father, who then proceeded to die anyway in the loading screen between the fortress and the lower city because of a bug….
i didnt even think you could sell wyll's soul to mizora and then not save his dad........ fucked up indeed... mizora do your part of the deal wtf
Wait. How do you even have Nightsong or Jaheira after making evil choices in act 2?
Why does Karlach approve of Will selling his soul to Zariel to save his dad?! That makes no sense. Wills her bff and she hates Zariel.
But she aso values loyalty, and he makes a sacrifice for his family.
I didn't even get the chance to see minsc let alone kill him-the quest glitched and I wasn't able to advance it beyond having jaheira say that we needed to find him 😭
You are missing giving scratch back to the couriers
I did sacrifice nightsong to lorroakan and he joined me in the final battle. Ngl a wise choice since his flameburst almost instakilled the imperator and his dragon and made the fight so much easier 😂
I think my game is bugged cause Orin kidnapped Lae'zel but the little girl is also missing from my camp and nothing I do seems to make her reappear, even after I killed Orin and freed Lae'zel.
Dark Urge, Romance Minthara, Astarion Ascends, and Shadowheat becomes a Dark J. Very easy to play, once you kill your first few innocents in cold blood including a companion or two. 😂
Sacrificing Volo is doing the Multiverse a favor
I didnt realise i could recruit misc in my first playthrough, i was never told 😭