Pokémon Scarlet’s TRAGIC Secret
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The sad side of Pokemon Scarlet & Violet's Nemona.
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i always thought that the first elite 4 Member was her sister. But only because of the green hair.
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Going to update this video with the Pechrunt update?
Idk why ppl think she's creepy. She's just kinda lonely, with a stifled identity, and happy to spend time with someone she can relate to and makes her feel more valid as an individual. She holds herself back so much just to be around others, so of course having someone she can be herself around unapologetically is just so surreal for her. I can understand this story on way too many levels tbh.
bc she coincidentally managed to encounter us every single time i doubt someone who's lonely can justify stalking bc they are "lonely" i dont hate nemona shes rlly cool but ur reasoning is still not the best one for her creeping up on us.
People are just stuck up judgmental. I’m not sure where people got the idea Nemona is creepy.
@artsycosmie887 As was pointed out in the video, it isn't easy when everyone responds adversely to her boisterous personality. Funnily enough, even director Clavell tells her to reel it in upon your first meeting. People either are offput by her status or the fact that she is completely out of their league; either way, the constant dismissal of her more forward efforts for validation seemed to have made her socially inept. Ironically, the comically blank/emotionless canvas of the protagonist (which we have all come to understand as rather bland) is exactly the non-judgmental companion Nemona always needed to be herself. Stalking isn't justified by any means, but the motivations behind what she does are understandable and just very sad.
That's not an excuse to stalk you everywhere other rivals don't battle you every time
@@Maxthewolf pretty much every generation, if the rival shows up in the story, it is to battle you...
Another additional theory I like about Nemona is the theory that she's actually a sick kid. In area zero, she was shown to have the least stamina out of the main cast, with even the shut-in Penny outlasting her. Nemona mentioned taking a break at all but the last research station, while Arven and Penny never made any such comments. She also constantly complains about the stairs at school, and an NPC comments that Nemona's often seen taking a break halfway. This all implies she has terrible stamina despite her sporty looks.
On top of this, when you enter her house, you see that housekeepers are OBSESSED with cleanliness, much more than your average housekeeper would be. Not even a spec of dust is allowed. There's a chance that Nemona's parents are simply neat freaks, but there's a chance that these are precautions to not set off Nemona's illness. Her dorm room is also very neat and tidy, so this shows that a clean environment is important enough to her to preserve even when she's on her own without hired help. For a teenager, especially one as busy as Nemona, to prioritize cleanliness while on their own, there's a good chance she has bigger reasons for keeping things clean. Her lack of stamina plus the need for a spotless environment hint that she might have asthma or a similar respiratory disease.
Another thing to note is that among the countless Pokémon in her house, one of the Pokémon present is a Chansey. Chansey is known to be good at taking care of those who are sick or injured, further hinting that Nemona might be sick.
There's also the fact that, despite having been at the school for at least 1 year prior, she's still in her first year at the academy (she is in your class, 1-A). While it would make sense for Arven or Penny to have to retake a year due to their tendency to skip class (along with Penny's suspension), Nemona is a straight-A student, and the student council president. So there has to be a bigger reason for why she had to retake her first year. She was also at her house at the start of the game instead of in the school dorms despite the fact that you transferred in the middle of the school year. So there's a chance Nemona missed a lot of school due to her illness, had to repeat a year as a result, and was just coming back from a sick leave the day you received your starter.
Unrelated to her potential respiratory illness, but it looks like she also has issues with her right arm. She wears an arm brace, struggles to throw a Poké Ball, is often seen supporting her right arm with her left hand, and seems to wince in pain when terestallizing her Pokémon (lots of trainers wince, but her reaction seems bigger than those of a similar skill level. Most of the trainers who wince are less experienced with battling, while the more experienced trainers don't have much of a reaction). There's a chance that Nemona has some sort of arm injury that affects her ability to use her arm properly.
I like to theorize that Nemona was a sickly child, couldn't play with other children her age due to her illness, eventually took up battling because it was the one sporty activity that she could do with others despite having a weak body, but then became so good at battling that no one wanted to play with her. Essentially, she went from being alone due to her weakness to be alone due to her strength. I believe that she probably hides her illness from the MC because she feels that there's no way someone as strong as the MC, the only person who can match her in battle, would ever accept someone as weak and frail as Nemona really is.
What the hell, this is the first time I've encountered a perfectly reasonable headcanon based on subtle yet numerous and convincing evidence from the games that adds to a character instead of altering it or forcibly making stuff more exciting with time travels and parallel timelines and secret villains or whatever. The ONLY reason why this theory could be doubted, as far as I see, is the out-of-universe fact that GameFreak has just never been this subtle before. Nemona's struggles are already the least obvious, requiring the player to complete her post-game little social route, unlike with Arven and Penny whose struggles were exposited clearly as cornerstones of their respective storylines. So the idea that there's actually another layer to Nemona, hidden even deeper than her lonely-at-the-top conflict, which is already hidden behind the "friendly, almost comic-relief buddy without a care in the world" facade… I love this.
The rumor come out: does Nemona is Wally?
That's really sound actually. Holy shit. I consider this as factual now.
Since this comment is getting more notifications, I just want to add that in a Japanese novel that was released recently (After the Rain With You), it was confirmed that Nemona's arm brace was made by her family's company and actually functions to support her arm and steady her ball throws, so it's not just a fashion statement. This further supports the theory that she might have some actual issues with her right arm, if her father went out of his way to develop an arm brace for her to use.
Works for me.
I don't know how, but you've made my empathy for Nemona grow even more, and she's already my favorite SV character by far
I personally also like to HC her as autistic with a special interest in battling, especially as autistic people can sometimes be more vulnerable to bullying or isolation due to being "the weird kid" through sometimes little to fault of their own (or the "troublemaker," but that archetype doesn't fit Nemona)
Also a hell of a lot of the Nemona hate feels forced. You're playing the game. You've already canonically accepted Nemona as a friend. Selecting "no" repeatedly in the false yes/no question at the beginning of the game is something you have to go out of your way for, and it kills your enjoyment through your own effort, rather than any failing of the game. The series is, by the way, not in any way new to this false yes/no question. If I point out that Platinum does the same thing, I better damn well not hear anyone praise Platinum when they'll shit on Scarlet/Violet so readily.
Hearing about Nemona's feelings in the post game makes her actions during the game make sense. I knew she always wanted to battle us but I was surprised she wasn't challenging us everytime she met up with us (like other rivals) and I thought it was weird, now it make sense she, while still checking out our progress, probably didn't want to scare us away before getting the chance to use her full might against us.
Also I totally thought it was gonna be revealed that Geeta was Nemona's mom or sister at the end.
I mean, they look really similar.
@@younghopeproductions485 Exactly!!
1:49 undertale
@@maxrosalol yes.
@@maxrosalolundertale
Another major factor is the Starfall Street story. Nemona comes across as having only joined the school the previous year - she's a sempai, but she hasn't been around as much as other characters. This is important because, just prior to her attending, Operation Star kicked in, and all the bullies left, and all the Team Star members left. The bullies would have at least given someone for her to fight. And Team Star was basically everyone else that had the motivation and determination to stand up and fight and grow. One of the benefits of school is that it allows kids to meet a variety of other kids and work out socialization and meet peers. But everyone that would have even vaguelly been a peer to her had left right before she arrived, and everyone left was still filling the stress from all of that. Then Nemona pops in, and everyone is wondering if she's a new bully or a new outcast. Its like Nemona was a big basketball fan and wanted to join the team in school (even prepped), but when she got there all of the sports teams had quit and moved away, most of the gyms and equipment are shutdown or torn down, the kids left are pissed because without the sports budget their extracurrecular's have been cut, others are feeling abandoned by their peers, and the most anyone left wants to do is maybe play 15 minutes of streetball.
Worse yet, there's still the sports/battler's prestige. So Nemona, knowing nothing of the previous year, no one willing to talk about it, barrels forth and becomes a Champion.... and then realizes no one was running with her. And then she's given the Class/School President position, because she's the Champion. But she's aware enough to realize that no one else was going for it. From what NPCs said, Giacumo was a VERY popular kid, and was popular as the School President up until he went rules-crazy trying to smooth out the various issues in school. Nemona has big shoes to fill, no support structure in the school of fellow students, the older students have been burned by the previous leaders, and no one is willing to explain any of this to her. Shoot - Clavell had to get Clive to get to the bottom of what happened previously so the school can get back to rights.
So here's Nemona, her first year at the school she made her personal goal (Champion-ranked battler), and had pretty much every other facet of her school life fail. New year rolls around, the MC arrives with the new students, and Nemona realizes that they're not shadowed by whatever has happened to the rest of the school. So she's desperately trying to have her fantasy school life with the MC that she missed out on her first year. At least partially because you're actually acting normal with her.
And then, as others here have mentioned, there is her holding her right arm, commenting/complaining about having issues throwing the ball, getting out of breath in Area Zero - Nemona might have initially been planned to have health issues before that was cut. Still, no confirmation yet either way.
Now there's a cash money story that is very probable. Mind if I use this one for my story?
Poor Nemona. She has been memed to death about her battle obsession, if anything the judgement she receives from in game characters has been reflected by IRL players.
She likely became obsessed with battling/befriending us as we wouldn't have any preconceived notions about her as the "gifted, spoiled princess" and instead give her an opportunity to start anew, as we could make our own judgements without the outside influences.
All she wanted was a true, genuine friend, for someone to just see her for who she is as a person.
I love her design, her battle theme and her personality. Never got creep vibes from her, she always just came across as a battle-loving rival and I adore her, probably my favourite rival to date 🤷♂️
She is my favorite too. Absolutely would love to have an energetic friend like her to match my energy.
Yeah I don’t get people calling Nemona creepy. She’s just a good friend who loves to battle. I like people like her.
I think it's just that she seems to wait a while for you wherever you go but she seems nice to me
It's mostly all jokes, but it's due to:
- A lot of her face expressions been dreamy or excited.
- her (indirectly) admitting to waiting for you at gyms just for battles and to watch your progress.
- Her dialogue after beating the pokemon league and saying no to her requests to be her rival.
@@Harold_Wilson yeah I love all of that about her. It’s nice to be wanted.
I honestly wouldnt call her creepy. A more fitting word id use would be desperate. But not in a badmouthing way. Its in a very understandable way because for me it was very obvious early on, that she must be kind of lonely somehow
She's future wife
Pokemon fandom has always had a problem of "if a rival's not mean, they're stupid and worthless and we hate them", so Nemona was naturally going to get flak for being cheerful. But she suffers from Tall Poppy Syndrome in a way - people don't actively want to bring her down a peg, but the passive "you're just a rich girl with too much talent" treatment is just as hurtful and damaging. Her problems may not be as immediately obvious as Penny's, Arven's, or the version-exclusive professors, but when you've been an outcast and you finally make a friend, you tend to latch onto them.
Maybe Nemona isn’t neurotypical, at least from my experience in the spectrum she seems really similar to the telltale signs, like I found it hard to make friends and when I finally made one I was almost stalker like with them, I didn’t want them to go and leave me like others had before it use me for whatever reason
I eventually realized what I was doing was not ‘normal’ so I hid it and took a mental decline in return for being normal even though I could do anything without trying friends was hard
That ... absolutely makes for why she's a bad character in the first place.
But to be fair, Pokemon is a kid's game, so while there are rather deep concepts left and right, they can't make stuff too three-dimensional at value.
@@SizdothyxI think the word is underbaked. You save the word bad for someone like any rival in XY or Blue.
Honestly I feel sympathetic for Nemona; she’s got a passion for Pokémon battles, which isn’t appreciated properly in Paldea. I love the thought of how much Nemona would most likely THRIVE in a region like Galar, where Pokémon battling is more central to their culture. (I’m a little surprised that it wasn’t revealed that her parents were sending her to Galar or a similar unspecified region in the postgame, as a potential nod to the DLC or something!)
If your wondering how Penny knew about Neoma, it was because she looked her up as she was spying on the player
It was actually part way through the story that I realized Nemona was simply lonely and was afraid of us leaving her alone. I realized it because of multiple NPC dialog throughout Paldea by students, all of whom are afraid of her or idolize her, which of course created that invisible wall.
Honestly, Nemona reminds me of people who are ND and have a special interest they hyper-focus on. How it can be so hard to find someone who shares that same amount of passion and often results in scaring people away when the infodumping becomes too much.
I relate. Someone once outright told me that I have a way of ruining a series when I talk about it so much. Or how people would eventually tell me to just shut up or would start to ignore me or tell me to grow up.
So when I find someone who is just as passionate about the subject, I basically cling to them. I can't help it. I finally have someone with the same hyper-fixation, the same special interest. We can discuss it at length and never get bored or tired or fear we are going to drive someone away because we are the same way about it. We can share fanart and headcanons and link to our fanworks and everything of the sort and give each other ideas and go on for hours about it. We can infodump without being judged or told to shut up.
That must be how Nemona feels with the player character. While she is the one who helps nurture and encourage it, it's still very freeing for her she has someone she can battle with without holding back (by the end of it) and how that person has started feeling the same passion to the point lengthy battle sessions are normal. And how the player doesn't just see her as some pampered princess or genius prodigy because the player gets to see for themselves how Nemona raises her team alongside to meet strength as equals. Even if she is more experienced as a trainer, that is more the technical stuff. But her team itself? Needs to be trained up to be able to stand against your team, just as your team needs to be trained up to meet with every battle you go through.
She is so, SO neurodivergent and I really deeply want to know exactly what brand(s).
Like... I'm both autistic and ADHD, and have tons of friends who are either or both as well, and I can definitely see her battling as a deep special interest and see some other traits that line up, sure. But just. Holy shit. I'm not sure either of those possibilities quite cover it? I know autism is a spectrum and that some people have much more severe struggles in some areas than others, but I can't help but wonder if she's "just" a very extreme case or if there's something less well-known going on with her.
(This, for the record, not coming from a place of judgment or otherizing, but from being ND myself in even more than those two listed ways, having a lowkey special interest in researching these things, and loving to understand more both for the sake of being able to help support real people and for being able to better represent more mental health diversity in writing I do. Just felt that was worth clarifying, since I know not everyone would be approaching this in such good faith. That said, moving on to symptoms-)
There are two big trends heavily on display pretty constantly, but especially during the Area Zero story.
First is that she is "fearless" to a point of like... No. REALLY. Clearly she has some fears of things like scaring people away that drive her, but she _does not seem to have_ anything close to a functional sense of self-preservation when it comes to physical dangers. When she _should_ be shaken, she either doesn't register anything is wrong or she gets _excited._ She processes a lot of emotions "incorrectly" in a way, consistently, and the others call attention to it.
And then the other thing that overlaps with the first in its most glaring instance is that "socially awkward" grossly undersells it. She has no idea what's going on emotionally around her basically ever _and it isn't for lack of trying._ When we all get down to the ground, Arven assumes -raidon is shaken by the big jump from so high, but after it's refused to leave its ball for so long, Arven and Penny start realizing that probably wasn't what spooked it; Nemona had not remotely questioned it since we landed. She's generally oblivious in a lot of reactions throughout the game, but then when the confrontation happens between the two -raidon, she DOESN'T REALIZE ANYTHING IS WRONG.
She can't recognize our buddy is terrified or that the other one is extremely aggressive, can't pick up the tension, and actively didn't realize that anything about this _didn't_ fit the expected outcome of touching family reunion. She not only didn't realize it was bad, but didn't even recognize that it wasn't _good._ And the heartbreaking thing that drove this home was when Arven and Penny snap at her and explain in direct words, she's shocked and horrified. She genuinely didn't understand but absolutely did care what was happening. She _wanted_ to be supportive and understanding, and is just THAT bad at recognizing emotional responses.
Just... MAN... I know autistic folks can have unusual responses to things and struggle with social empathy, and I know my own experiences can't be used as a universal metric, and even as many friends as I've talked to about their experiences it won't tell me everything that's possible. But I'm still just... God I want to know if this level of intensity for those symptoms can be explained via autism or if there's something more specific going on with her (probably on top of still also being autistic and/or ADHD, but still, heh).
Either way, she's such a good baby and I love her. 🥺
I agree and also relate
I’m curious about something completely different with Nemona that I don’t think anyone has brought up…
She’s always fixing up her right arm before battles and made comments in the post game about finding it difficult to throw Pokéballs. I wonder if there’s an injury there or a prosthetic arm that is being alluded to and if there is a backstory to it that we could maybe find out in the DLC or something. 🤔
Feeling alienated for being too good at something doesn’t end in school, by the way. I speak from experience. 🙃
I would say she's got an injury. That's a full on compression brace she's wearing on her arm, so she likely has some sort of nerve damage or early onset arthritis there, possibly a full on disability too.
@@Evilta yeah that seems highly plausible. I remember when I started up the game my first impression was “OMG SHE HAS A ROBOT ARM!” But it looks more like something to aid a real arm with an injury or disability.
I could see some sort of backstory with her getting injured as a child and her big sister didn’t know what to do and her parents were too busy with work to help or something. There’s definitely room for some sort of story there.
@Mandiness Entertainment as someone who wears a compression brace to help with a childhood injury I can definitely see that being a thing. On top of that her passions probably don't help much at all with her injuries since chucking pokeballs and the traveling around on foot kids and students in the Pokemon world do all the time can't be easy. I wouldn't be surprised if the implied benched pokemon she had to box to use her starter included pokemon with mobility aid training to get her form place to place like a cyclizar or maybe something that can climb or fly, not for lack of want to use her own feet since she's very athletic but because sometimes you just need that help and trying to push yourself would do kothing but aggravate a preexisting injury further.
@@Evilta To add to the bit about athleticism, there’s a point in Area Zero (I think when you reach the second research station) where Nemona is winded and needs to catch her breath. Arven mentions his surprise, but Nemona brushes it off as a compliment lol.
This could just be that she’s been at 100% since getting to Area Zero, but I thought it was an interesting little bit of dialogue.
There is no back story, it was stated that she just isn’t good at throwing pokéballs that’s really just it :/
Dataminers found out Nemona’s parents are called, Billy and O’Nare
Play on words to Billionaire.
I was wondering if Nemona’s parent’s favored her older sister more than her.
That is some Ace Attorney-level names right there, and I'm all here for it.
@@shukuchishikeishuu9540 right?? Remember, these aren’t just leaks but Datamines and they are legit.
I’m following daraminers this time. Since they also found the signature moves for Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
That was originally the plan, but then Gamefreak scrapped it and just made Billy and O'Nare some random NPC's.
I hope we get to explore Nemona's story a bit more in the DLC
Nemona would absolutely LOVE the Battle Frontiers in Hoenn and Sinnoh
Every big dual you have in the game that features Terastallizing typically has a one-liner introducing their pokemon. The fight with Champion Namona is unique among all of these.
"Shine blazingly bright, my greatest treasure!"
So, is it her pokemon she's talking to? The one she technically got just so she didn't overwhelm you early on? Everyone else encourages their pokemon.
*wipes manly tears*
In all fairness, while penny isn’t clingy, she’s also stalking you, essentially hacking into your phone, always knowing what base you took on and when, and straight up ropes you into her own plans, because where Nemona wants YOU to succeed, Penny wants to see HER friends succeed
Exactly like Nemona. Except she doesn’t get shit for it. PLUS unlike Nemona, she’s not up front with you.
But she’s excused for that because
*reads notes*
she was bullied almost two years ago
I mean, like, bullied into becoming a shut-in for months. She has a habit of orchestrating things for the sake of her friends, including spying. We kinda forgive Penny because we know exactly what happened with her, while with Nemona, things are a bit more implied.
I actually hate Penny, 😂
I always seen Nemona as a very relatable character. Before I was able to play online against others. Myself, a few friends and 3 of my cousins would play together between gen 2-4. It was fun but my one friend was my only challenge. I learned about EV's and IV's, setting myself well beyond my friend. I taught him but shortly after moved on with life and that left me at the top with some capped pokemon.
It did feel pretty lonely. I wanted to mentor one of my cousins to be better than me. I really just wanted to feel that sting of a loss... nothing really new to strive for until X and Y when I started battling online.
Wow, Nemona is kind of a cautionary tale of specializing in just one thing: she became only able to connect with others through battling, and so when others didn't want to battle her, she couldn't connect with anyone
This may be why the other champions do something besides being champion
Blue's a gym leader, Lance and Iris are dragon tamers, Steven's a geologist, Wallace's a competitor, Cynthia's an archaeologist, Alder's a Hokage (I guess?), Diantha's an actress, and Leon's an entertainer
And I guess Red's a wanderer?
I also feel like she’s neglected by her parents because she’s not the golden child.
Not having an actual final fight with her in the post game was criminal
Nemona reminds me of someone like me with anxious attachment. Our instinct is to be clingy so we don’t feel insecure and latching on feels safe. But we’ve seen how that can drive away so many people, so when we meet someone who we really wanna get to know we back off and work really hard at not being too clingy because losing them would be so utterly distressing and devastating
Man, I hope Nemona's backstory is more fleshed out in the DLC's. It's honestly respectable that she became a champion level trainer multiple times with little to no input from her parents
Maan thank u so much for doing a video about her. I think the fact that so much of her development is at the end of/post-game, while it makes narrative sense for her, does end up being a weakness because man... ppl have developed their opinions of her by then and almost all of these interactions are optional. So it's easy to understand why people haven't seen these quotes and such. But anyway I hope it gets expanded upon -- if for no other reason than that I am SO INTRIGUED by her family now, like.. they can't just drop those nuggets and not give me more, they CAAAAAN'T
Its lonely and miserable to be alone.
But it is lonelier to be with the wrong people.
This is exactly how I feel nowadays due to my toxic co-workers. 😭
Looking forward to watching this video later. In the meantime, in case it hasn't been said, I recently noticed that some of the trainer battles add Nemona lore. Some enterprising person might be able to trace her in game journey based on those trainers, their levels, and your interactions with her.
Yeah, I ran into a little girl who was like "I want to be like Nemona" showing that some kids look up to her. I also ran into another guy who was like "I battled this girl who was passing through and she absolutely wrecked me!"
Nemona = Fem-Goku. :P
Wants to befriend a strong rival so she can battle them constantly.
Lol, and Ash = Male Goku. 😂😂
@@neoxlura7012no kid goku
I thought you're going to include Nemona's caveman-talk in her description. Haha
I'm not sure if you're aware but if you reject her many times in your dialogues with her, she devolves into talking like a cavewoman. Hahaha
Lol that would have been a nice inclusion. :P
Are there any clips of this?
@@susear5939 yes
@@susear5939
I'm sure they're talking about the _"You. Me. Rivals. Yes?"_ thing she does if you say no to her enough times when she asks you to be rivals for life.
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 I don't have the games. That's why I asked.
with the big sister inheriting the company "you're free" can be code for "we can't count on you", and that could explain why she wanted to be champion, for some sense of her parents being proud. And even after that she lost the chance of any friends who won't even bother to battle her out of fear. That's probably why you're so important to her, because you can match and surpass that strength.
Nemona is someone who's lonely at the top and is desperate to have someone come into arm's reach so she can pull them up and join her.
To be honest I really did enjoy always seeing Nemona supporting us after the gym battles. She’s our player’s first friend in the Paldea Region I never thought she was creepy or a stalker she was just lonely. Nemona is the best rival.
Something tells me that Nemona needs to learn about personal boundaries when interacting with other people and maybe it would help to add some double battles to showcase her strengths in working with other people and their Pokémon. Maybe then she will realize how to gain better friends and better control of herself.
It's lonely at the top, but it's the top so it numbs the pain
Hmm. A random thing I noticed-
Is it weird that the main character seems unaffected by tera? EVERYONE except your avatar seems scared of or gets 'bloomed' by terrastalizing... Seriously watch every time any character wields the Tera for final 'mons...
It's because we are a mary sue
Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but don’t forget about her reaction to seeing Koraidon about to be beaten up by the other one, she thinks that it’s a nice family reunion rather than the large fight it actually was going to be
@Caane no i dont think its a norm. i think her complete inability to read people or things is why she thought that, or it was her terrible attempt to defuse the tension in the air
@@damienmitchell3104 I don't think so, since people and Pokemon are so different, and wild Pokemon are inherently more aggressive and confrontational compared to trained ones. I think OP was onto something, and that it's been so normalized due to her love for battling that she just sees it as "Pokemon being Pokemon." Not helped by Koraidon/Miraidon being a Legendary, so of course she thought that they'd be stoked at seeing the rare sight of another one of their species.
If we had voice acting I would've actually heard about this perform hand nemona's silent story!
Voice acting would have been nice! I think someone on RUclips did various examples of her scenes with voice acting.
I kind of felt sorry for Nemona even before the we got her back story after the end of the game, because she was so clueless on social interactions a lot of times. Also it was a big tell that she was basically home alone with just the maids and butlers at the beginning of the story.
The one thing that let me down though, was in the big school tournament, she used the team she used throughout the game instead of her championship team, which I believe made it too easy to beat her. I wanted to see the team she used to beat the creepy alien hair lady.
Honestly as someone who does relate a lot to Nemona and Arven, I never saw her as creepy at all. I found her a comforting friend that I felt connected to throughout the whole game. I appreciate this deep dive a lot to fully uncover her story most miss.
I agree :)
I kinda wish we get more into Nemona's family life in the DLC. The way she says "They were hands off..... but in a good way?" about her parents feels like a coping mechanism to ignore the fact that she has neglectful parents
And I would like to mention, the fact that Arven doesn't like her at the start automatically makes her not a Mary Sue. Not everyone *loves* her and worships her. She's liked and disliked by people. Penny also thinks she's too energetic. Others even acknowledge her flaws, like Clavell saying that she likes battling too much.
So glad for this. I love her. I think she's the best rival ever and such a great character. It's a shame all of this gold character development was optional post-game. They should have made it a legit side quest
I she was interesting but too easy
There was more explored in Area Zero than the video covered, too. 🥺 Like, yes we'd seen her "socially awkward" before, but some of the moments in the last story arc go SO much farther. I feel like a lot of people probably assumed it was just her "being dumb" in a way the writers intended as a bad attempt at comedy, but like.... no, it's consistent and lines up really well with the amount of character development the others were getting if you genuinely take her as ACTUALLY that oblivious and incapable of recognizing or processing emotions in normal ways. She's such a good baby. 😔
@@WyrdFayth true, the thing with team star should have involved the bullies we never saw as a battle
Nemona getting labeled the creepy stalker while we have Penny literally hacking our phone to spy on us and track our location 24/7 is so stupid and backwards. Nothing Nemona does is even half that creepy
this is the first time I heard people call her a mary sue
I often hear people call her a Goku or a Saitama haha.
I think the DLC will reveal more details about her, and Im willing to bet that her rival is Carmine.
I’m wondering if they plan to add more depth to her character in one of the upcoming dlc’s, especially given how it’s not until area zero that we learn of her family and how they’re not only wealthy but that she doesn’t have the best relationship with them. I’m wondering if it’ll be something similar to Pacifica from gravity falls, rich girl with mentally and emotionally abusive parents.
I think to say Nemona is handicapping herself against the player is only half correct. She's trying new things. One of the most brilliant things that people overlook about Nemona's storytelling is her team. When you attain Champion Rank and everyone's making a big deal about you battling Nemona at her full strength, does she change her team to whatever she used to get champion rank? No, she uses the same team members she's been battling you with the rest of the game, strongly implying that even without battling at a Champion-rank level, you've already made her better.
1: I NEVER will support any kind of AI art programs/sites. Those programs & sites undermine everything that being an artist is & means.
2: I feel really sad for Nemona…. Neglected as a child by her parents, no real social skills due to hardly having any friends. And obsessing over battles because that’s basically the only thing she has for both fun and as a way to connect with people… 😭
I'm still sad that we might never get the Nemona and Ash friend dynamic
It may not be in the anime, but I hope when Masters EX starts introducing the Paldean characters, we get something between Nemona and Ash since he's in that game. They do have cross-generations friendships (and in Lana's eyes, possibly more after she learns that Victor gave Mallow an Applin and what it means in Galar when someone does that) in it so it's possible.
I love Nemona so much. Her enthusiasm for battling reminds me of my younger days when I played a lot competitively.
Nemona is pretty interesting character in my opinion.She can be little annoying for some people, but deep down she wants to have fun with pokemon battles like everyone. However her talent with hard works makes her too strong for most players in the region, so it became was kind a like a curse (a wall that was mentined in this video). When you as a player defeat her she feels like the curse has been finally lifted.
Ps.I don't know what game deves are planning to do with her in the upcoming dlc, but for now I think that there could be a possibility of shipping game protagonist, and her.
I saw myself a lot in Nemona with the information that was revealed about her in the post-game. I'm not rich by any stretch of the word, but I too was viewed as 'gifted', had poor social skills and was ostracized. I will admit I'm pretty clingy to those I get along with, but I try not to show it.
I can slightly understand if people call her annoying. What I cannot understand is people calling her a Mary Sue. She puts herself and her team through training constantly if the schedule in her room is to be believed. Plus it’s not like she’s some kind of ridiculously hard trainer to take down like Cynthia, you’re supposed to beat her. She’s a person who worked for everything she has and that is incredible and incompatible with the term Mary Sue.
It kinda really sucks that the sponsor for this video is a service that makes money by offering a tool created with straight-up stolen art that literally ZERO artists got compensated for. I don't wanna pay for that knowing none of the artists in that database got paid to have their art turned into machine food...
I assumed Arven, Penny, and Nemona were meant to represent issues like depression, paranoia, and something high functioning on the spectrum like acute Aspergers because she's a prodigy but also clumsy at interpersonal relationships. Until the end game. She's not a prodigy. She's just determined to claw her way out of her family's shadow.
saturday morning cartoon characters when they see a pretty lady 0:26
I already related to Penny, now it's time to relate to Nemona I guess.
I understand now lonely it is when nobody likes the things you do, it's frustrating. The second you find someone who likes those things, you could talk to them for hours and hours... Yeah. Even down to being called a "whiz" (although I'm much better at school work than anything physical) it's so frustrating to be called smart, or powerful ALL THE TIME, especially if you don't feel that way. Like, you're not stupid, but genius? No way.
It's easy to feel like an outcast, if nobody wants to talk to you at all, whether it be because they feel like you're too good for them, or the even worse alternative, that they're too good to talk to you. Then, when you finally find someone willing to put up with you, it's easy to seem really clingy. That's probably why I never found Nemoma creepy, or odd. It's because I wanted someone else to feel like the belonged, whether fictional or not.
Anyway, I'm gonna be shutting up now. Hasta la vistar! ⭐
When I came to the mansion and talked to the maids and butlers, I immediately thought Nemona was missing her parents because one of them said that they weren't there and thought she wanted to be with us because she felt lonely and felt a lot of empathy towards her.
And then came her event dialogs at the school that says that not only she's lonely at home, she's also lonely at school since the students doesn't want to fight with her because she's too strong and call her gifted. I felt so sad for her, I thought she was the only one in the trio that doesn't have any sad problems and it made me appreciate her even more.
Edit : I also didn't get why the internet portraits her as a Yandere, because all I saw in her was that she loves pokemon battle and that we were strong enough to battle her since she is stronger than the others
Ive always viewed Nemona well as her energy reminds me of my best friend which made me enjoy her interactions.
When we knew very little about the characters, I was waiting for Nemona to turn out to be a ghost/spirit helping us on our journey. Let me explain.
First, her name. Backwards it's "an omen". It also contains "Nemo", which basically means "nothing" or "no one".
If you go off the Japanese name, it's a flower nicknamed the "baby blue". She has nothing "blue" on her(eyes, hair, clothes). I was thinking the brace on her arm was from an accident, maybe how she died. Her hair has the green part, in this case green has to deal with the present. Also, maybe she had an accident while riding a cyclizar.
So my thought was something like this:
You two are friends riding cyclizars when something causes you two to crash. Wacky stuff happens and you find Nemona wearing a brace and her hair green, thinking that's all that happened to her. 100 different ways you could do it. Would have made her much more of an interesting character.
There's another detail about Nemona that I don't see people touch upon too much, or if they do, they just use it as another slight against her character. That being the scene where she mistakes our Koraidon/Miraidon being faced with its more aggressive counterpart as a family reunion, not realizing that the former was being intimidated and bullied. Part of it could just be her lack of social skills, but another part could lie within just how deep into Pokemon battling she really is.
When she saw these two Pokemon have this confrontation, she didn't think anything of it, because Pokemon fighting each other is so normalized in her eyes. Not to mention, since Koraidon/Miraidon is a legendary Pokemon (which tend to be unique catches in each game cartridge), of course she'd be excited for their sake at the prospect of them meeting another one of its species.
On top of that, all throughout Paldea, you see groups of wild Pokemon typically led by a higher-evolved form, so it's not at all unusual for there to be an "alpha" who expresses dominance. Hell, the entire evolution process for Bisharp into Kingambit involves it fighting and defeating other leader Bisharp in battle, so she may have just thought of it as just "Pokemon being Pokemon."
I'll be honest I almost started crying hearing your description of Nemona due to simularites that I have about feeling in a state of loneliness and being the feeling of sacrificing a lot of your self in hopes that others will see you are more then your sums. Very great video
I knew about her loneliness but her being shunned for being talented or hard working it seems like she could have fallen in with the team star before they become what they were in the game when penny left
Hard to consider her a mary sue when you hand her stalker ass to her every battle. Even the one with her "good" team
The thing is whether the fact that you defeat her always is canon. Unlike most rivals, none of Nemona's rival battles are forced victories. You don't get retries with her. if you lose, she takes the win. Only the final battle is one where you get multiple tries. So it could be that it's a back and forth, sometimes the MC wins and sometimes her.
But she definitely isn't a Mary Sue. Arven dislikes her, penny thinks she'd too energetic and Clavell brings up that she likes battles too much. She's not universally liked by everyone
@@TechnoArpan so basically, what a lot of people don’t know, is that a Mary Sue can actually also be a character where a majority of other characters hate. A Mary Sue in the basis outside of personality and relationships, would be some examples with Nemona being hated by others, people seemingly to constantly shit on her for being more wealthy than the other students, and the fact that like Penny and Arven, their stories are tragic and/or are meant to define the characters, which is often a Mary Sue trope (when authors make the characters backstory the sole reason they are the way they are and often refuse to see their own faults)
You can look up lots of google articles on it, and why Mary Sue would apply to Nemona in some ways. I only listed a few examples, and if I could provide more I would if I had them off the top of my head :))
Technically, Mary Sue is a term referring to someone who just gets 'everything' right WITHOUT TRYING or WITHOUT EARNING power.
When you notice the subtle behaviors from Nemona, she is not just handed the title of champion... People remember her as a battle-holic, and other champions note that she is determined. Mary Sue honestly belongs to the MC... In almost every game, you canonically win every fight. You literally retry until you succeed. That is Mario infinite resurrection bullshit.
Nemona is powerful but has flaws- literally, all the best would be rivals left before she got there... In comparison to the Team Star leaders, Eri was more challenging in my opinion. However, Nemona has an evolving roster to a degree- the more you fight her the tougher she becomes. I literally glass cannoned to beat her with Lucario.
Point of all this is, she is a worthy opponent as you progress, and neither overconfident nor petty. Few pokemon rivals can claim that without bullet sponging.
Mary Sue is someone like REY from sw ,(squeqwell); rey literally masters force abilities on the first try or just by hearing them described.
Another example, this from katanagatari: his sister memorizes techniques by observing them, while the boy who is a sword must be guided and trains CONSTANTLY just to squeak through on several occasions.
Cartman, captain MARVEL, Superman (newer), she hulk (new flop), etc.
"My sword has infinity plus two damage and my shield is unbreakable.".
VS
"I worked long and hard for
My bread honor and riches...
But you tread on my corns too long
-You long-haired sons of bitches"
Cartman vs BLACKBEARD...
MARY SUE VS CRAZY SONOFABITCH...
I found Nemona to be a breath of fresh air, honestly. Did I expect her at each, or almost most of the gyms? Yes, and I kind of expected a battle with her at almost each of them, too. She's the push that most trainers need. Or at least those who are strong-willed enough to fight someone who already was at the top of the food chain but chooses to push us to become stronger, like her.
I don't find her creepy, yandere, or what have you. Most people are off put by her mentality of "combat prowess" mindset, as I call it.
Arven and Penny, are pretty much in the same league as her, but, more inclined to do something different, when compared to her. Arven can cook, and Penny is a technological genius.
To put this as simply. Nemona has her reasons to be who she is. But it is we, the trainers, who can hold our own, and be pushed just as much to become stronger, and be what Nemona wants to be pushed to.
I wouldn't mind Nemona as a friend or life-long traveling companion. She seems sheltered badly. *hugs Nemona*
Careful dude ShoPro is on warpath again. They have ruined Pokefurlax and PokeRaf channel for using still images. If you haven't already, please spread the message.
Much appreciated - won't be touching on the anime for a while due to those concerns (which is sad because the news on the new series is exciting!)
You know right? STILL Images. They never ever used an animated clip, this is literally SO STUPID 😩
And I'm glad you're thinking the new anime's looking cool 🤩
I've noticed that a large number of charu's videos have had their thumbnails removed and certain others talking about overt anime topics have been renamed and their thumbnails changed entirely.
While it sucks that the videos have been altered to be unrecognisable, we understand the need to take them down, and fuck ShoPro.
@@charusharu I’m really looking forward to the new anime. The current one isn’t exactly living up to my expectations.
I think it’s so interesting how players have meme’d her and judged her, only proving that the in-game problems she faces are problems that happen in the real world, even if in a different way.
As a neurodivergent person, I found her struggling with interpretation of things that happen around her and confusion at other people’s perspectives being VERY relatable, and she has to be in my top three characters in the franchise because of how quickly I found her relating to behaviors I’ve also shown.
At first I couldn’t get how people /couldn’t/ see her as creepy/a stalker, and I never understood why people loved her so much. I’m glad you were able to shed some light into this, since that tiny snippet of dialogue in Area Zero flew way over my head over all the random Paradox Pokemon spawn, and I never bothered with the optional school dialogue.
Man, imagine if she and Penny switched roles (story-wise and NOT personality wise, I DO NOT need an obsessive Penny). That would’ve been more compelling for me.
Yeah, there is no treasure unless you have someone who claimed that same treasure alongside you... but this may sound corny. The true treasure is the friends we all made and the goals we accomplished together. Helping Penny reconnect with team star, Arven with his best friend Mabostiff, and Giving Nemona the one thing she didn't know she needed, a friend and rival who sees her for who she is. And the cover legendary(Koraidon or Miraidon)who needed help overcoming thier rival and bonding with them to help them regain their physical strength as well as the determination to Face your fear when the time came.
In your dorm room in the post game, the photo that was shown after the credits is in the frame and on your desk. It pretty much does call your new friends your treasure.
Nemona looks like Momo from my hero if she was Isekai'd into pokemon lol
I don't see it
Haha I was looking at images for inspiration when writing this video and Momo popped up a few times.
Or Kale from DBS 😂
@@neoxlura7012 I can see that
Just walking into her house and talking to the staff, let's you know that she was most likely never cared for directly by her parents. Poor girl was possibly ignored most of the time since her big sis was already there for an heir.
"An heir and a spare" as they say.
Geez, I thought that Arven needed a hug, But Nemona needs one too!
yesss thank you! i love nemona so much she’s got those gifted kid struggles which always make for a good character imo. and she’s seriously just being friendly, not creepy!
one other little detail that i picked up on while playing is the scene where arven recalls how he and mabosstiff were attacked by a huge monster, and nemona’s immediate first reaction is to hope the gang runs into it again because her curiosity has been piqued. to which arven and penny respond by getting annoyed with her for being single-minded and insensitive to arven’s pain. i personally thought this spoke volumes about nemona’s character. like you said, it’s all about that disconnect between her and other people- she’s immensely socially oblivious. she wasn’t trying to hurt arven but she got so carried away with her own interests that she got tunnel vision for a moment. and honestly i think that’s another recurring theme here- nemona is quite self-serving. almost everything she does, even if she’s helping others, is ultimately because she wants something for herself and less because she’s in tune with how other people feel. i think that’s a solid character flaw and very realistic and well written
but going off of this, i also noticed another moment towards the end that hinted to some subtle development on her end. when the door to the zero lab opens and all the paradox pokémon start flooding out, the gang tries battling them but is overwhelmed. some of them take off in the direction of heading back up the crater. nemona is concerned and wants to stop them from running off, to which penny’s response is basically to call her crazy and imply that she’s just hungry for a powerful pokémon to battle. that was my first reaction as well. but then nemona follows up by pointing out that if those pokémon escape the crater, all of paldea will be in danger. in this moment nemona is genuinely concerned with something that isn’t even about her. for once she’s grounded, in the moment, finally understanding the gravity of the situation here, finally afraid instead of ridiculously confident and excited. this bit is so easy to miss but it’s so important to me. the terrifying area zero adventure taught her a few lessons, y’know?
Yeah. I'm realising why I thought she was ok- Same with characters like Barry in Gen 4 Diamond Version; Only became jarring at Hearthome because the challenges were kicking up, I kept not grinding enough...and Barry was like "Dude lets get on with- NO TIME FOR PREPARATION OR BEING A Sore loser; Do or don't."
Or maybe that was the competive bit of me being reflected back- idk tho
The fact she said friends meant she had other options but still stalked us nah I’m good.
Like it's totally unfair. It's like the writer purposefully made her character the way it is, so nobody in-game knows the true Nemona.😭 Always getting labeled by something about her when nobody actually knows her😢 it sucks.
I guess that's why we're the player character to be in her life😊
10:20 Getting turned down and burned by a generic copy/paste NPC. How embarrassing 😳
Sometimes tragedy is hidden. I glad she found us (a avatar of our will.) to help.
Now I want to see Nemona battle Red
Nemona is easily my favorite character of the game. The fact that she has much more behind her character than "BaTtLe!1!" is something that is lost on too many people. Glad that you made something like this.
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet has an interesting set of characters because you have pick apart and put together the subtle hints of their backstory through their behavior. Still doesn’t change the fact that Nemona is a clingy stalker 😅
Yeah, she is definitely still a clingy stalker haha.
It’s an explanation not an excuse and actually because of her wanting to have a fair fight and actually have fun battling again for picking the weaker starter makes sense
Yeah that still holds true, but not every stalker is considered weird I guess❤️
@@ZenithintheMaking stalkers aren’t necessarily bad. If anything, she’s the closest thing to a love interest we’ve had since Black 2 & White 2.
@@charusharu I would love to see a video on the hisuian and Sinnoh ancestry.
i love how nemona turn to the screen as soon as you say "of course"
This story makes me think about the lifes of the many champions. How they get to the top and just... Stop. Most do have other hobbies and seem so glad to be rid of the title or at least glad to share it with you when you win so they aren't alone. Makes you wonder what life is like truly when you are one of the strongest people in the world. Can anyone even imagine what that title could mean?
Nemona expressing she feels like she has to hold back just to keep friends hurts.
In the anime, Cynthia almost retired but decided to keep going after all after losing to Ash. After all, that loss meant she still had room to grow.
Leon told Ash that he felt stuck, like he had finished growing and it scared him. It was seeing Ash that helped motivate him again to try to find a new peak.
And Ash was still left thinking “what’s next?” after becoming Champion as he tried to consider what was to come in his journey to be a Pokémon Master. He knew being Champion wasn’t the end of it, but what else was he out to do?
@@tranatkikomi6873 I think that's what the others all of them have issues with in the top eight going in. They were the best in the world. Champions. Really no where to go. Course they all have each other and especially Ash who they can see as a goal to someday surpass and all also have their own individual likes that they can work on but Ash is the one who has to decide what being a master truly means.
I always loved Nemona. From the first moment she wanted to battle again. To how she always seemed to be wherever I was going like a stalker. And in the post game when that other student shot her down because of the battling she wanted to do and how she reacted it only solidified how much I cared about her character. She’s my favorite of the 3
All three rivals in SV are personally relatable in different ways.
Nemona is the most socially relatable, as I faced similar levels of ostracision not just by peers, but by teachers as well, leaving me hopelessly alienated simply for being on a different wavelength, and the aftereffects haven’t gone away years later.
It sucks that I have yet to truly sync with others, and everyone else I knew while growing up has been able to find some fulfilling purpose in their lives, while I’m left stuck and drifting aimlessly with no clear path in sight.
It’s no wonder this game always leaves me in tears the instant the credits roll… 😭
i mean, nemona was an interesting kind of rival. a rival that was already champion, and is holding back the whole game, ecstatic at the thought that someone could match her skill level.
damn dude. You really went deep into this. Even I didn't think some of these events happen. This defiently made me change my perspective of her. If she could become a bit more composed and not ask us to battle every other second I''d be cool with her.
She feels like Brock from the anime to me- only instead of an SO, she wants to battle.
Thanks! Glad you found the video interesting. :)
Nimona whole pint of frustration after the guy calls her a wizard is generally how I feel about my brother and not wanting to play Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh with, it doesn't just come that naturally to me I do spend time looking into the game mechanics and how type matchups work how certain cards interact and stuff I don't just haphazardly dot-dot don't bore into this or something but I actually research and study and junk, which is probably why that stood out to me as much as it did.
I dont dislike nemona, while I find it weird that she always appears in the gyms stopping somewhere and waiting for your rival to show up and battle is nothing unusual for a pokemon rival, also she was nice enough to start from zero with a new pokemon, and she did the work to get us a Terra orb sk we didn't need too.
Nemona has always been my favorite character in the game, and learning about her past has made me appreciate her even more.
I have always thought that Nemona had pretty bad ADHD and looking through her scenes it just makes them make more sense, with her hyper fixation on pokemon battling, her boundless energy and getting a one-track mind on a lot of stuff. And it would also make sense that she grows so attached to the player because they're the one person she can truly be herself around without having to mask her neurodivergence. and its also somewhat implied that her parents are neglectful which also makes sense looking at the ADHD theory since they don't really know what to do with her since she's not "normal" and just throw money at her. Just a small thing really deepens her character.
This hits harder than what I am expecting!
There is also a saying...A person that appears to be happy might actually be sad inside.
This way of looking at namona is how I resonated with her. When she talks about diving deep into a topic and so on i felt the same way and her hunger resonates with me.
This is why Nemona is my favorite rival. I truly liked her character long before I even knew her background. This lore of hers is what got me more attached to her character, no different than Penny or Arven. While the game was, and still is, a buggy mess; the story is one of the best I've ever experienced. The themes aren't on full display like most of the game's. These characters feel more relatable. There are those that came before, with a sense of depth to the lore behind their names, but SV goes beyond that and, at least to me, feels far more human than the other characters. Even when the first time I got to know her was through her memes, I thought there was something else going on. She felt clingy in a good way, and this proved it and more. Maybe people would see Nemona in a different way after this.... I believe that she is the best rival, maybe not in terms of Pokémon battles, but definitely in her lore.
That’s deep…..It do be lonely after becoming the regional champion then again I love to Leon trainers I just can’t help my self u get swept,u get swept , everyone getting swept over leveled oh the npcs 😊should have trained more 😂
When you start out in the game, Nemona says she'll train a new team alongside you and then use her real team after you become a champion. Then, after you become a champion, she continues only using pokemon from the new team and none of her "previous" pokemon, even in the tournament arc. Also, when she talks about her loneliness as mentioned in the video, her re-telling of how she became a champion further emphasizes that she's gifted since "it just kinda happened". No one who has put real effort into something can make a comment like that. Red is respectable because of his lack of dialogue in the games. By the time you've reached him, you already know he's the strongest because you had to get through the elite four and 16 gyms to gain access to him. On top of Nemona berating you for a battle every time she sees you, she also won't take "no" for an answer. I don't care what her reasonings are for doing what she does. She has the tendencies of a battle-obsessed psychopath.
She didn't need that much development in game because from the start she was already at the top, and she's not one to open up that much even though she's an extrovert, talking to people and talking about how you feel are different things entirely, so until the end of the game, she does come off as pretty flat, I guess, but that would just be incoherent if a character that wants to battle again and again to forget the loneliness and boredom felt the need to brag about being lonely and bored, it would defeat the point of her own coping mechanism.
So, I really liked the way they hammered in the reason why she has been so obsessed.
First, Geeta noting that Nemona never showed her true strength to her and mentioning that the mc might be the first person she even opens up to, then, Nemona straight up shouting in relief "Finally, I could give my all, and still you beat me."
She started far before us, we didn't need to see her journey to guess that where she is now is the top, and her saying that should be to us the realization that she reached a point where, until us, there was no one she could give her all against, because anyone else was just too weak.
If after the post game where she finally opens up people playing the game still don't get her, this is sad.
Essentially, Nemona is basically a mix of Momo Yaoyorozu's(My Hero Academia) social skills mixed with Hisoka's(Hunter X Hunter) battle addiction and Saitama's(One Punch Man) need to find a worthy opponent.
I feel the same way, after having that chat in her room; you just realized she’s just lonely :(
You did a fantastic job explaining this plot and Nemona . The fact that they the programers put three plots together is amazing and under appreciated
This was a really interesting watch, loved how you broke down the character and analyzed her. I'll admit that when playing SV at first, the stories for Arven & Penny felt more compelling to me, as they were very straight-forward.
But during my play with the SV's DLCs, it's when I began looking back at Nemona's story closely. And that's because I felt that Kieran's story runs similar parallels to Nemona's in some aspects but deviate.
In the sense, where Nemona while enjoying and being passionate bout battling doesn't loses her fun for it. Genuinely looks in building relationships with others folks. Meanwhile Kieran overly obsesses with becoming "stronger" due to the lack of his identity (there's also the fact that the game might be hinting that their orphans)... That and his selfloath drives him into a destructive path.
Would be interesting to see your input on the Kitakami siblings- but I'm glad I saw this video of Nemona! It's given me more insight and appreciate more the character and the story being told in SV. The DLC's has added more to her; I enjoy seeing her wanting everyone to do their best but also offers support- and encouraging words to her friends.
Also, appreciate the insight on Red's character! It's something that I feel a lot of ppl kinda sleep-on or don't give much thought.