New VW Pertronix Billet Flame Thrower 3 Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2021
- Ya Baby! 5 stars and a Thumbs UP from TheEZGZ. Lately I have been disappointed with some of the after market engine parts currently available. This time it was everything I hoped for. Here is a link to where I bought mine. They have a lot of info and helpful vids as well as use them in there own VW daily drivers. shop.kaddieshack.com/Distribu...
NEW Pertronix Ignitor III Billet Distributor
Pertronix Billet Distributor with Ignitor III is our TOP OF THE LINE billet distributor... the very best we sell. It is the very best performance distributor on the market, packed with feature after feature. We challenge you to find a product that even comes close.
OPTIMIZED IGNITION ADVANCE CURVE: Comes with a factory preset performance ignition curve, set up specifically for high performance VW engines. For hot street or strip motors that need a custom curve, it comes with several springs and advance stopper cams that can be easily swapped to modify the curve to make over 80 different custom curves!
MULTIPLE SPARKS: Many manufacturers offer a separate box to enable the distributor to send multiple sparks to the spark plug. With this distributor, it is already included. This ensures your total air/fuel charge is ignited as efficiently as possible to squeeze the very most performance out you possibly can, and prevent misfires.
BUILT IN REV-LIMITER: Another fantastic upgrade that is normally found in a separate box, a programmable digital rev-limiter comes built right into this distributor with LED read-out. For ease and convenience in programming, the rev limit can be set with a 9V battery and a pair of alligator slips. Limits can be set in 100 RPM increments.
ADAPTIVE DWELL: Changes the dwell angle of your spark, and automatically adjusts for subtle timing changes needed at higher RPM's to maximize efficiency and power.
CIRCUIT PROTECTION: Just in case it's accidentally wired backwards to the coil, circuit protection prevents it from becoming damaged.
IMPROVED SPARK ENGERGY: Up to 500% more spark energy delivered to the spark plugs.
START-UP SENSING: Senses start-up and develops more energy for improved starts.
Requires special spark plug wires that fit the male terminals on the cap. It is also recommended that a Pertronix Flamethrower III ultra low-resistance coil is used for optimum performance.
NOTE: Since this unit already has multiple spark capability, it is NOT compatible with other multi-spark units, such as MSD, etc. pertronixbrands.com/pages/per... 
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Thanks EZ for the ride along. Car sounds great 👍 Have a great weekend .
Thanks Eugene! I appreciate the support!
Hi EZ,i run a petronics 2 on my new built 1640 DP, Dellortos(with i think, 48 throats & trumpets inside the K&N filters) . 8 years trouble free so far,syncing carbs was the thing that really made a huge difference,i used a 4 tubed carb sync as i have motorcycles as well,made syncing a lot easier,was slow & methodical with adjusting the linkages,been running like a dream.I have the same issue with my Jack Russle,goes mental in the bug untill we get a few miles up the road,he is lovely company on the longer trips.Take it EZ.Thank you for the Vid.
You got some Polish weather there 😃😃😃😃😃
I love Polish Food. Thanks for being You! I appreciate the view and support!
Thanks EZ for another video. Just finished my 1776 shortblock. Gave me hell, but I got it together.
Nice work!
I own a Pertronix billet distributor, Flame Thrower 3.0 coil and 8mm wires. The car wouldn't start one day last week. I had to have it towed home. After we got home the car started right up and has every time since. I live close to the Pertronix company so I took the distributor and coil to them to test. Everything checked out OK. They did suggest I make sure the posts on the coil are straight across from each other, my coil is in a CB coil mount on it's side. They also said to keep the posts parrell to the ground as the + post can get hot. They gave me a back up coil for free.
Thanks so much for sharing this👍. I had some problems at the start of this season. I’m going to make a few changes 😀
Nothing like a well tuned engine and all the parts working as intended and expected.
That is getting harder to accomplish. Sorting threw all the choices we have now. Thanks for checking in :-)
Thanks for the vid brother! I'm sold on some of that distributor sweetness. I'm putting one of these on the upcoming updates I want to do. Can't wait, thanks for the preview and test run.
So far I'm loving it but I've been a Pertronix fan for decades.
@@TheEZGZ and Pertronix has the full distributor too.
Years ago I sprayed silicone on my distributor and spark plug wires this helped with the moisture problem.
That's a big step up from the 009 with Pertronix point eliminator that I was running a while back! I hope it serves you well... Thanks for sharing
Time will tell. It sure made a difference on my old truck
I knew you would like that new distributor kit! Like I said, I got the exact same one on my stock 1600cc and love it. It starts up like its fuel injected and revs smooth!
I am so Glad you are enjoying it too!
🤟😁👍
I love it!! Thanks for your experience. I'm on board brother!
@@TheEZGZ That is so good to hear! Not to mention it LOOKS GOOD! That Billet aluminium really dresses up the engine compartment. (Eye candy)
Enjoy it!
Excuse me, what advance springs you use in your stock vw bug?
@@leoalbertolopez6962 I don't use stock, I use the Pertronix Flame thrower III. Just like in this video
G'day EZGZ,
Kevin here from Australia.
Great video im glad you made it. I've got the magnaspark distributor on my 1915cc engine in my 63 beetle and its great but im at the frustrating stage of dialing in my dual carburettors I've lost count of how many times I've watched your videos on carburettors.
But hey we never stop learning doesn't matter how old we are.
Stay safe and healthy man.
✌ Peace
I guess I'm just gong to have to sit you down with a Burrito and take it one step at a time LOL What kind of linkage do you have? Bell crank or cross bar?
@@TheEZGZ i have the cross bar. But my main problem is i sit down and start working on my carburettors and get side tracked and find myself on a hole new adventure. At the moment im updating my fuel lines from front to back and the carburettors are still waiting 🤪
I am right there with you. Have a great summer!
Thank You Sir! Be Well & Prosper!
Hey EZGZ,
Kevin here from Australia.
You know I always come back to your videos. Especially the ones on carburetors.
Anyhoo hope your doing ok .
✌🏻 Peace man
Thanks for your continued support my friend.
Great video, that thing sounds good. I don’t like your muffler though. Lol but I understand the need for a quieter car around town. Thanks for putting the video up. I always enjoy your videos.
I'm on a budget like everyone else. Just keeping it quiet for the Dog and thinking about putting it in the 66
Greg, your a funny guy 🤪, at the end of the video, I thought you were going to tape down the bungee cord. 🤪 you fooled me.
LOL
Thanks EZ, she sounds great!
Right on Steve, good to see you!
Man eez that motor runs smooth good job!!
I've always had good luck with Pettronix
Seems like that engine is the perfect combo for your driving habits in the buggy!
Glad the new distributor helped out!
I never realized how ignition can effect the personality of a engine. It's like changing the Camshaft! Next thing you know I'll have a O2 sensor and be data logging. hehe
@@TheEZGZ oh yeah, I realized the same with the 2054 with the Magnaspark 2. I’ve changed some bushings and springs, tweaked timing, etc and can definitely tell a difference!
If you start data logging, I’m screwed 😂😂
The o2 sensor wouldn't be a bad idea 🤔 definitely figure out how rich or lean the engine would run .
Your engine has a nice sound when you open her up. I reside in Australia and have a Stan Pobjoy 1916cc built engine in my bug. I have had one of these Pertronix 3 dizzies on my want list. My 009 with points are not too bad when the engine is warm, however I do thing the Pertronix will be a good add on. I want to build my own engine later on. Your videos are very helpful in this regard. Thanks.
Sounds like you have a sweet ride. Hope you get lots of smiles to the miles.
@@TheEZGZ I sure will. I had to remove my engine last week and order a new head machined out to my 94mm pistons. I had the old alternator on my new engine and the alternator band clamp broke. I threw the belt and overheated the engine. 3 and 4 cylinder head came loose as a result and I melted a hole down the side of a stud bolt. The valves and everything else survived. So I now have a new alternator and brand new stainless clamp. Lucky only about a $400 to $500 AUD for the new head and machining. I have taken the opportunity to respray my tinware in a dark metallic grey with 2k clear on top. New braided lines and AN6 aircraft fitting for all my fuel lines. I have a video of my bug on my page. This was before it was run in. Ignore the loose belt in the video. I never drove the car at that point I had the engine running very rich to run it in. Check it out. I do all my body and paint myself.
Lol @ 13:30 HA! 68mph in a dune one handed!
Also ordered the Flame III 🔥 w new coil and 8mm wires from Kaddie Shack. They’re great.
Have loved flamethrower 1 for ten years.
Good to know and mine is working Great!
Really enjoyed the video
Awesome, thank you!
Good stuff... nice addition.
Thanks! Good to see you. Hope the fishing is good for you this year.
Great video as always EZGZ. Take care of yourself mate, bit concerning about your "might have had a stroke" comment. You sounded fine on the finished vid anyhow.
Interesting about the use of gearchanges; I had a buggy years ago and barely used anything but 2nd and 3rd gears, the damn thing was so light-weight the engine and box had an easy time.
True then as now.... :-) More like a casket with wheels. hehehe
Great info thanks EZ . I’m seriously thinking about sell my Quads and going back to VW. I’m 67 now 68 in Oct. and I think with age comes a cage. I sure like the power curve on both your 2 liter engine’s , you can’t beat good bottom end.I hope you feel better soon. Take care
I've done both and a Cage is nice! I hope to get more use from mine!
The 2007 is the most bulletproof combo! Would be my motor of choice for a new build.
Easy to put together if you buy the stroker case. No need to clearance most mild camshafts
My late Father was Volkswagen mechanic Service Manager at Volkswagen dealership he said the Germans stress the wore thing on a type1 mag crank case was lugging the engine and running them to fast in time where it bucks the starter it makes them beat the rear main bearing saddle out back then they didn't reline bore the block the just started using the As41 replacement blocks every came from factory with h cases.
I hope I male as much sense as you do if I have an unexpected possible stroke!
👍 I hope you have good luck with your digital distributor. Keep a spare distributor in your toolbox.
I used the box that the new stuff came in. hehe It's behind the seat!
Hang in there EZ, be careful, life's too short! Enjoy every Day w/your Pet :-)
Thank you, I will
wow she rips!ive never been over 60mph in my bug,down a hill.Please go see a doctor if you think you hada stroke the vw's can wait!Thanks for the vid.
I'll call the doc on Monday,,,,, hehehe
The flame thrower lll really is a good for round town. The early power curve throws the power down quick. I was going to set my limiter to 4500 but I bought the car with it already in so I don't have any instructions. Mines got a little screw and a light on top of the module.
Go to Pertronix web sight or Kaddyshack they have detailed vids to figure it out.
Hey, I have been waiting for you to do this video. I bought a pertronics III, SVD distributor, with Multi-spark, and when I try to time it, with a light, I’m getting readings, that are all over the place. I called pertronics, they said it was due to my timing light, picking up the multispark, and that I should try another timing light. I tried my neighbors timing light, with the same results. I tried timing it by ear, but the engine surges at idle. I took it out, reinstalled my double oh man, with pertronics II, and it runs great. Feel like I wasted my money.
That's a bummer! I'm really happy so far! I did the package and got the dizzy, the coil and wires. There are troubleshooting tips on the Pertronix web sight and good tech support if you call in. I don't know what else to tell you? I'm think it will be simple but cost more money! Aiint' that the way it goes.....!
Sweet buggy
Thank YOu!
Nice 2007cc and 2110cc engines you have there EZ!
VW's and Vettes ? There's a contrast.... !
@@TheEZGZ Yes there is at least one of each in my posession lol
EZ, put a set of CB los panchitos, on that 2110! Use stock rocker ratio. I’m a big fan of the flame thrower 3! It’s a cdi box, under a cap.
CB bent me over and stick it in last year on my build,. I'm done with them.
Hey Ezgz will you do a short video on throttle cable set up to linkage mine seems to have a lot of play in it..
Make sure you have all the factory tubes behind the shroud and going down to the tunnel. If that tube is missing it will always be sloppy.
nice.
Hi. I liked your video and decided to also install the same Pertronix package that you did. Made a big improvement. I'd like to know what you did to get your tachometer to work. I can't get mine to work. I'm thinking I should buy a better tach and I was wondering which one you are using? Thanks.
It's a basic AutoMeter Has worked well for over 20 years
Love the video. I put on my 2017 engine the CB performance set up. And love it. Btw was noticing the back pipes above your engine. How or where do they hook at?
Not sure what your asking>?????
@@TheEZGZ I need to set up a bumper and the bars that you have your lights hooked on. Just wondering where the bars are hooked at. My engines exhaust is in the way from going on the underside
I was a little sneaky. I tied the rear roll cage mount at the floor area of the rear seat. I extended the metal from the rear shock upper mount and laid a 2" square tube from one side to the other. That made things pretty solid but I wanted that upper deck tray to keep rain off the engine. I took to peaces of 1' flat stock from the upper 1 1/2 tube to the cross bar that holds my tail lights. You can't see the flat stock because it is behind the license plate. The lower is connected to the upper shock bolt like the traditional wrap around rear cage but I just came straight back on both sides. It's not real structural but I just wanted someplace to hang the lights and not have to mess with the frame every time I wanted to take the engine out. I'll try to remember to give you a close up on a future video.
I just need it to look good. Thanks and take care.
I am jealous!
Don't be! That's why I make these vids..... So you can make good choices instead of throwing your money away like I have so many times!
@@TheEZGZ Just how many?? Hehe
Great video EZ. I am also building a 2110 for my bug as we speak. I was going to run O44 heads on it and an engle 110. However I only currently have Dual Kadrons to use. What are your thoughts on this set-up just to get the engine in the car? Will the Kads work with 44mm throttle bodies and larger venturies? I am going to upgrade to IDF's but that won't be for a couple months. Thanks! Hope you are well.
I put stock valve heads on my recent 2110 build and I love it. I would have gone with a W100 cam. Those kads will work fine with a mild cam and mechanical dizzy. Jeff over at Kaddyshack can better advise you on the jetting for your altitude and driving style.
Man I like the way that thing will dig a hole, really cool, still got my 40hp motor, I've started to get things together to build a 1776, thinking of doing that distributor.
Probably wont get it together much before xmas, still couch bound. Hope they will let me ba k to work soon, last month was told they are still seeing heart issues, so wont release me. Anyway enough of me, love the upgrade, keep it up the great videos.
Your now on my prayer list buddy. 1776 is one of my favorite builds.
i will be using that tape technique 💯 I am running Kadrons (custom made by Kaddyshack) on my 2054cc. They seem to call for a vacuum advance, do you think this would be an advantage over that? Much appreciate your videos and time!
It is kinda pricey ! But ounce your over the pain you won't look back. I bought my stuff from Kaddy shack. Good People!
Hey Greg! Hope you aré getting better AND also getting stronger every day!. Hey Greg I have a question! Is It correct to reduce the timing slope of a 099 distributor? Does this can cause damages or early wear fatigue to the engine?
i don't mess around with mine. It's a full advance by 2k RPM I just make sure I do not exceed 34 degrees total advance. Some of the copycat 009 only have a 10 degree.
It's all done with centrifugal advance weights and springs tension inside the dizzy and if you study it you can figure it out. You will have to pull the Dizzy out of the engine and take the gear off the bottom. Keep track of how things come apart.
If you run the proper octane fuel for your compression ratio you won't hurt anything by changing it.
I’m going to use the SVDA Pertronics Distributor3 from Kaddyshack as well What Cam are you running by the way?
The deluxe pertronix billet model on the new 2110 but still running Bosch 009 on the rest with no problem
Not that long ago you did a video about spark and rotor resistance one was an R5 and one was a R1. I was curious to see what the R one did for a spark
Not sure myself! It's test and tune on a individual bases and there are lot's of options. Don't get hung up on what the other guy has. If what you have is working than BE HAPPY! I have spent alot of money on things that didn't seem to do anything.........
@@TheEZGZ It’s OK I think you just misunderstood what I was trying to ask you.
Greg, I forgot to ask you if you were going to try the new distributor on the Baja as a performance comparison ? If you like the that compassion, will/would you buy another one.
At some point when things need changing I would definitely consider it as a upgrade. My Baja ain't broke and running good with 009 and pertronix modual for many years.
The outro hehe
Long Story short....... hehe
Hi great video 👍can I ask a question please, what is the button/cover for on top of dizzy cap? I have a full flame thrower set up on my 1970 baja and can’t work it out lol, cheers Wayne👍
Instead of having the 4 holes on the bottom of the distributor Pertronix designed this with a vent in the cap.
All points style distributors need a means of letting condensation and moisture to escape the dizzy to keep corrosion down as well as keep the spark timing from getting misfires
@@TheEZGZ Hi thanks for the reply ,oh that’s great cheers mate😉I couldn’t find any info on it anywhere lol,thanks again …Wayne👍
What springs did you use dialing mine in thanks for great video .
It comes delivered with the same timing curve as the original 009. For my use that is perfect. 10 degrees at idle and 34 at full advance. As I recall the optional springs did not give that much advance which would be good for a street turbo set up and lower octane fuel. For any dual carb set up it should work great out of the box. Mine has a small irregularity seen on the tach below 1200 RPM but you can't feel it when you drive. I mainly bought mine for the multi spark feature and bling factor. I did have turn in my idle needle jet on all four cylinders and I picked up a couple MPG. Good luck with your project. Get a tiiming light and do some experiments on your own and see what your seat of the pants dyno tell you. Let me know or post a vid. Have a great day.
@@TheEZGZ mine had a gold and silver spring installed instructions said comes installed with to silver springs which didn't feel like it it had enough advance. Trying a gold and silver for a seat of the pants test. Do you know if yours had both gold springs? 1641 110 cam big valve heads weber 40s
@@tonysitko2540 Can't help there. Call pertronix or e-maile they would be the ewperts on the product.
tape a strong magnet on your sliver .it will pull it out
Nice Tip!
I have a stock 1978 Fuel Injected Super Beetle and I'm tired of condensers quitting so I'm thinking of converting to electronic ignition. Is it possible to convert my car, and if so what would you recommend?
I suggest you contact the support people at Pertronix I have know experience with VW fuel injection. Sorry
Hey GZ, at 5:46, what is the spring on top of your linkage in the middle for? Just curious.
Nevermind, I answered my own question. 😂 I get it. Return spring. I think I need something like that.
mmmmmmmm I have no experience with that but I'm guessing that if both venturis are feeding into one intake passage you might do alright using 32 mm venturi's in that 40 IDF Not sure you will make it to 6.5k though.
The Weber book only references a 600 cc cylinder capacity and that would be port on port for a 44IDF It would be an all out drag bike with that carb.
EFI I can see it coming ... ' it was on sale so I ...'
This time it worked out in my favor! LOL
EZ , is it possible to run this new unit with a fuel injected system?
I was wondering the same thing!
Just curious if that pertronix distributor would fit with a "standard" mechanical fuel pump. Thanks!
I don't think so.
@@TheEZGZ Yeah, on closer inspection, it looks like it might clear the pump itself but not the fuel line connections. rats.
EzGz I need some help with my bus! For the life of me I don't understand why I can't get a spark.
That doesn't give me much info to help you. Stick to the basics and get a book with a troubleshooting section.
for a stock 1600 bug what time I should use? and what springs? I bought it by mistake.
It should work like a 009 right out of the box????
Hey I could use some advice on how to upgrade or tune my type 1. It's a 64 Baja with a 1641. Every once in a while I need to hit the freeway for work and it has a tough time getting up to speed. Any advice or tips.
1641 doesn't leave me with much to comment on. I'm not a big fan of those 1641 thin wall engines. They make more power for a few thousand miles and it slowly goes away. Rear Tire size is a big factor. If they are tall it changes the gear ratio and the cooling fan is going slower.
General tune up. Plugs, points, wires, air cleaner, blah blah blah tell me more and I will try to help. More power comes from a good blend of performance parts. The stock engine was a good engine with low end torque. Lots of guys rebuild them and add a performance camshaft in and the spend the money to get the right combo. Dual carbs and header exhaust helps
@@TheEZGZ Specs from what was told to me as i purchased the vehicle as is and didnt do it myself: engine rebuild 800miles ago, stock crank, w90 cam, mahl slip in 87mm, stock dp heads, 37mm welded blade fan, 12v alt with stock style pully, single pict 30 carb, stock fuel pump, empi electronic distributor with bosch blue coil, 1-5/8in bobcat exhaust, stock swing axle, 28.88in diameter tires. In town use cyl 3 temps(type k thermo couple) reads 368f and freeway at 65 mph is 350f. Heat risers are not connected as the exhaust doesnt have em(plan on changing that or going dual 34s). Plan on getting upgraded heads as i need new ones anyway (cyl 2 as a broken off fin might as well upgrade if i need to replace it). If I get upgraded heads i wanted to go 92mm heads so i can go thick wall 88 from AA Performance. But i am very much a novice and would like input from someone who isnt trying to sell me something(Autozone tried to sell me house brand antifreeze lol) I live In the Central Valley in Cali and generally work 12am shifts so nights are not too hot or cool. If you need any more info I'll figure it out and get back to you. I really appreciate the info already given. I dont like thin walled barrels either.
Ok, now we have some info. What I'm hearing is you bought this car with a rebuilt engine with only 800 miles on the engine. You are considering spending. $200 dollars on 88 pistons and about $400 on heads add another $400 for those 34 dual carbs.
All those things will improve the power but not as much as you would think. Your only adding 38cc of displacement. Going to dual carbs is going to be your big power adder. Ounce you step up to dual carbs your going to be messing with them all the time. All dual carbs are a PITA but when they are tuned right it is wonderful. I would rather see you buy a Pair of dual 40 kadrons or dual 40 IDF Webers with 28 venturi's. Put those on and get the linkage spot on. Drive it that way for a while and see what you think. Buying the bigger cylinders and heads aren't going to make that much more power but give it longer life. I would just run the jugs and heads you have and use them up. A broken fin isn't the end of the world and you probably going to build a different engine.
It sounds like you have a really nice set up for around town cruising and offroad exploring. It is what it is. It will not be a fast car on the main highway or interstate. Except that and enjoy the car. If you start throwing your money at the engine and decide you don't like it later your not going to get your money back. Most VW magazines are there to sell parts and entertain you. Go to swap meets. Talk to the owners of cars you like and ask them what works for them. Many times those guys with nice cars and big engines have a lot of old parts they would love to sell. Immerse yourself in the VW world and have a good time.
@@TheEZGZ thank you for replying so quickly. I will keep it the way it is for now and run it untill I have the resources for my first full build and then keep this one around as a spare. It is great around town and she turns heads. Good on fuel too, getting around 29mpg around town.
Sounds like a plan!! I hope you get lots of miles and smiles with it.
you have the coil upside down?
look how the factory installed them from VW,,,
Right on. I had mine that way and everyone keeps telling me I have it upside down. Thank you 👍🏽
JUST SEAL THE CAP TO THE BASE AND RUN A REMOTE BREATHER TUBE.
Shouting from the couch doesn't work! What are you going to use to attach the tube. There are moving advance parts all around the bottom. The cap has to come off to clean off oxidation.
@@TheEZGZ No, Look at a mil spec, distributor.
School me. Can you send me a link??
@@TheEZGZ Link? for a simple tube? I thought you are a gear head. Also, if you trigger is something other than a point set you don't need a vent at ALL!
You disapoint me.. A couch critic with no experience !!!! Your such a loser.....
I watched the opening frame of the video (rainy!). Due I guess to whatever turnip wagon I fell out of, I can't stand 2 things in life 1) rain 2) cheese. Rain makes me feel claustrophobic and prevents enjoyment of the great outdoors. Yada yada yeah I get that without it we would all die but yuck... just yuck :-)
I'm presenting you with a virtual Burrito to ease the pain. Now get over it and getter done! hehehe
@@TheEZGZ Thanks lol!
Try to talk less
It's ok to dream! LOL