Thank you for your detailed analysis of these products. I live in Scotland where due to lack of maintenance on our roads,this has resulted in an ever increasing number of potholes. As a direct result of this, motorists are dodging potholes, with the poor cyclist very often having to take evasive action to avoid being struck by a vehicle. Furthermore we are viewd as a hindrance with very little regard to the idea of sharing space on the road. My point is that due to the aforementioned, respect for the cyclist is diminishing rapidly and as result frequently as a daily committed cyclist I am exposed to inconsiderate, careless or downright dangerous driving on a more frequent basis, than i have ever encountered. I have been cycling over 30 years. Now after resisting for some time, I appreciate I need some coverage in video format to negate denials of wrongdoing, where wrongdoing is blatantly obvious. Keep up the good work and stay safe on the bike.
Thank you Bike Shop Girl. This has been very informative. However, the feature which I think is needed is an integration of the 12 front camera and 6 rear camera, so what when downloaded to PC, one has an integrated/synchronized side-by-side rear/front view. When a driver does an aggressive close pass, you want to see how he/she came up on you and then how he/she closed the door on you after the pass.
I ride a vintage bike that I bought it for $200 and these two cameras cost $558 at the time of this posting. They should make these two cameras around SeeMee DV's price range to make it affordable for an average bike rider. A new manufacturer, maybe.
There are a lot of video on bike specific cameras, I have recently stopped motorcycling in favour of cycling and I have taken my motorcycle dashcam to my bicycle. It has a USB input so requires just some wiring in and a usb battery OR a dynamohub with a usb adapter and a stationary capacitor, thats my setup.
I have the 2gen fly 12 and 2nd gen fly 6. Unfortunately I haven't ridden in a while. I do plan on getting back in the saddle this year. The road is calling me. Thank you for your very informative video.
Looking forward to the tests and results video! I use a camera for every ride, but unfortunately Garmin has discontinued the Virb Elite. It is perfect as a bike dash cam because it also doubles as a cycling computer (tracks and live display of GPS, speed, distance, cadence, HR, etc). It is the perfect little product that I haven't been able to find an equivalent of.
I do not currently use a bike dash cam, but do use an action camera for much of my rides, which usually range between 1 - 8 hours. I do video my rides regularly for content creation, so I already use an insta360 OneRS with 1" Leica. I have also committed to a solution that documents my rides better from a safety perspective, and at the same time enhances my 'b-roll' footage for content creation. I will certainly watch your future vids on this as it is an interesting topic to learn more about. At the same time, you have already provided so much good info here I have already decided to pass on Cycliq. Limited battery capability to only good temps, foregoing the light or lousy video resolution at 135d - strike one. Internal, non-removeable battery - strike 2. Inadvisability of usb charging at same time as recording - strike 3. The combo of these 3 are simply a no-go for me. I am looking at a 360 cam for this purpose, and specifically the Insta360 X3 or OneRS w/ 360 mod. There may be some hassle with loop recording or other features, but a super big SD card should handle that. Thinking about mounting left side of bike with a magic arm - above seat/rear rack height and off to side a few inches. Figure this will give me good coverage front, back, and left, and decent coverage to my right to record any vehicles pulling out in front of (or into) me from the right. Not the most elegant mounting setup, but since my cycling gear doesn't include lycra 😀 you might guess my lack of concern for speed, weight, aesthetic, etc. And holy cow, one good 360 cam with multiple uses for less than the price of 2 marginal cameras? I generally appreciate it when a company does 1 thing and does it better than anyone else. Make a good dash cam. Make a good light. Make a good action cam. It looks like this category is still looking for a best in class when a 360d action cam appears to do more for less.
Thanks for the input! Im super interested in the footage, and ease of use. I agree with you on the X3 or RS. My current feeling is if I wanted one camera, would it be the RS with 360 mod on my helmet? It would catch both directions and go with me on my helmet instead of needing to remove it. The battery life, size, incident protection, and quick removal is what have really stood out on the cycliq but if the battery or footage sucks then they aren’t worth it! I need to get through some of these reviews first before buying another camera!
@@graveldoov2215 Not sure of the specs, but I'm guessing you're probably right on the runtime with the internal battery being better on the cycliq than any action cam. The deciding factor for any cyclist would be the type of bike and riding one is doing, and the primary and secondary purpose of any video. If one is a roadie with a concern about weight/aero (i.e. speed), the cycliq may be better if it has a better runtime. As a touring rider where none of these is a concern form me personally, I carry a usb-c battery pack that provides a continual power source for my insta360 action cams. And since I also document my rides, as in making documentary videos, the video quality of the action cam is superior to something like a cycliq. And all of this is moot if one rides an e-bike for 'shorter' distances on utility rides, as the run time or weight doesn't come into play so much. It comes down to what your primary purpose and kit is. Shorter rides, lighter road bike, faster speed means something different than a utility ride (transport) needing video to document car interactions or a touring ride that may want to both document rides for safety and produce video content for others. This is why I love watching @bikeshopgirl, since she seems to cover a riding style and purpose that is quite different than other road cycling channels - both utility riding and content creation while riding. I sincerely hope you find the right solution for the cycling you do!.
Would appreciate testing various rear cameras used for safety and recording for insurance protection. Seems like most videos out test cameras only for creating content to publish online.
Does the phone app record from both front and rear cameras, or does it only control both? I was hit by a car (shattered femur - 2 years recovery) and if I ride again, I will have both front and rear cameras. I would like a system that records both cameras like my automobile system. However, individual cameras that record separately would suffice since they could be time-matched. I am only interested in recording for protection, not content for publishing.
It is interesting in why they would install an alarm feature on the rear camera i think a radar or laser system would have been of more use as your no way in hell leaving this attached to your bike and walking away are you?! I definitely wouldn't and does it have a like IP cam if you did? for example if used it for this and have a rear camera recording whats going on and a possible theft to be able to wirelessly retrieve the footage? If not once its gone it's gone your not seeing that or the footage again so i think this could be replaced with something more for the road safety radar as the garmin one's pretty good! But thats just my 2 cents on this item maybe other's would leave it attached to a bike for no good reason that i can think of myself?!
I ordered both yesterday, here in Germany we have good bike infrastructure in comparison to the US. But we have also many car drivers they don't follow the rules and you don't have a case mostly whithout some video evidence.
First time on your channel. Nice channel name. Audio & video very clear. The zoom-out segment was very neat 5:35. First time to see that on RUclips. Do you have the review? Not seeing a link. Thanks. Liked & Subscribed.
One other question that's prompted by something I saw in a Twitter or FB post somewhere...is there a hack that would allow the Fly12 (longer battery life, better camera) to be mounted to a seatpost? The person had mounted it somehow, then covered over the light. IF that's possible, it'd be practical to mount both it up high and a regular rear light of your choice right below it on the post.
You failed to mention that both cycliq cameras can be powered via an usb c power back when in use. To significantly increase the record time. Also they are not meant to record video for cinematic needs all they need to do is record enough detail to identify vehicles in threatening situations
I own a benno boost. How well would the rear camera work with a cargo bike and kids in the cargo bay? Can the camera attach to the rear of the cargo frame?
What about your smartphone that has image stabilization with 1 Terabyte or even 500 GIG SD CARD or internal storage to just record everything that way? (no good?) are the camer's just not wide enough in the angle?
You could certainly use your phone to record rides, but the angle, battery life, and potential damage to a phone during a crash would all keep me from relying on it daily.
Thank you for reviewing this, I have always been keen on these products but the cost vs the performance just does not make it worth it for me at this point. So I hope perhaps your results can enlighten me. I do wish more companies made comparible products so that there are more options
Thank you! I'm interested to see how they hold up next to a GoPro Hero 9 or 10. You can buy the GoPro Hero 9/10 used for an okay price and with the replaceable battery it feels like a better long term investment.
Just got my Cycliq 12 sport - today might be the 1st ride. The biggest issue i have so far is working with the recordings. The android app is very limited -basically only camera/light settings. The company has software to allow strava overlays etc but only works on windows or Mac. I have neither. Trying to get windows in a VM to see the device via usb is proving to be a nightmare. At least i can take the sd card out and transfer files manually to edit, upload to YT, etc. But the user interface from the device itself is horrendous for a product of this price.
Not true. The sweet spot on the fly12 is 1440/30 and is easily good enough in daylight to record number plates etc. in low light it’s a different story
Is there a camera that you'd recommend (or even just know of one that exists) that works below freezing? Editing to add another question: How much stock would you put into the editing software if the footage isn't for sharing, RUclips, etc, but just as a CYA for crashes/psycho encounters? For something like the 360 you showed in a previous video, is that editing difficult to learn if you don't use it often?
@@BikeShopGirl We're in Utah and my husband is still commuting to and from work (20 miles round trip). A couple weeks ago the "real feel" temp was -3 and he said that was the first time he'd felt uncomfortable.
Do not buy this camera. My fly 12 was faulty right out of the box. There's a 3% fee to return it.... what an absolute scam. I can't believe it's this shitty right out of the box.... im so angry about it.
Yep. Cyclic products are a hit and miss on quality. I had 2 Fly6 that had battery leakage and software issue that lasted less than 3 months of usage. The 1st unit had battery leakage, right from the start, brand new. Got a 1-1 exchange from local seller. Replacement unit went into death mode where the camera won’t stop unless a hard reset, multiple times. It’s a useless expensive paper weight. Lots of videos on cyclic failures.
Bloody hell! I just went with a DJI action cam its alot better than the go pro when we tested them got all day out a charge on both bit picture quality was much nicer in the DJI
Thank you for your detailed analysis of these products. I live in Scotland where due to lack of maintenance on our roads,this has resulted in an ever increasing number of potholes. As a direct result of this, motorists are dodging potholes, with the poor cyclist very often having to take evasive action to avoid being struck by a vehicle. Furthermore we are viewd as a hindrance with very little regard to the idea of sharing space on the road. My point is that due to the aforementioned, respect for the cyclist is diminishing rapidly and as result frequently as a daily committed cyclist I am exposed to inconsiderate, careless or downright dangerous driving on a more frequent basis, than i have ever encountered. I have been cycling over 30 years. Now after resisting for some time, I appreciate I need some coverage in video format to negate denials of wrongdoing, where wrongdoing is blatantly obvious. Keep up the good work and stay safe on the bike.
Thank you Bike Shop Girl. This has been very informative. However, the feature which I think is needed is an integration of the 12 front camera and 6 rear camera, so what when downloaded to PC, one has an integrated/synchronized side-by-side rear/front view. When a driver does an aggressive close pass, you want to see how he/she came up on you and then how he/she closed the door on you after the pass.
Totally true
Good idea!
I ride a vintage bike that I bought it for $200 and these two cameras cost $558 at the time of this posting. They should make these two cameras around SeeMee DV's price range to make it affordable for an average bike rider. A new manufacturer, maybe.
There are a lot of video on bike specific cameras, I have recently stopped motorcycling in favour of cycling and I have taken my motorcycle dashcam to my bicycle. It has a USB input so requires just some wiring in and a usb battery OR a dynamohub with a usb adapter and a stationary capacitor, thats my setup.
Thanks for the video, but I am going with the DJI action camera
I have the 2gen fly 12 and 2nd gen fly 6. Unfortunately I haven't ridden in a while. I do plan on getting back in the saddle this year. The road is calling me.
Thank you for your very informative video.
Looking forward to seeing your results. A dashcam option for the commute would be great. I'm finding some options but more info is better
Thank you. What other products are you looking at?
@@BikeShopGirl mostly looking at various gopros.
I’ll be very curious to hear how it compares to the Varia 715. Looking forward to learning more. Great video as always! 👏
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It's ok but it also kinda sucks
Looking forward to the results. 👍
Looking forward to the tests and results video! I use a camera for every ride, but unfortunately Garmin has discontinued the Virb Elite. It is perfect as a bike dash cam because it also doubles as a cycling computer (tracks and live display of GPS, speed, distance, cadence, HR, etc). It is the perfect little product that I haven't been able to find an equivalent of.
Same… I broke my Virb and wish it was still available.
I do not currently use a bike dash cam, but do use an action camera for much of my rides, which usually range between 1 - 8 hours. I do video my rides regularly for content creation, so I already use an insta360 OneRS with 1" Leica. I have also committed to a solution that documents my rides better from a safety perspective, and at the same time enhances my 'b-roll' footage for content creation. I will certainly watch your future vids on this as it is an interesting topic to learn more about. At the same time, you have already provided so much good info here I have already decided to pass on Cycliq. Limited battery capability to only good temps, foregoing the light or lousy video resolution at 135d - strike one. Internal, non-removeable battery - strike 2. Inadvisability of usb charging at same time as recording - strike 3. The combo of these 3 are simply a no-go for me. I am looking at a 360 cam for this purpose, and specifically the Insta360 X3 or OneRS w/ 360 mod. There may be some hassle with loop recording or other features, but a super big SD card should handle that. Thinking about mounting left side of bike with a magic arm - above seat/rear rack height and off to side a few inches. Figure this will give me good coverage front, back, and left, and decent coverage to my right to record any vehicles pulling out in front of (or into) me from the right. Not the most elegant mounting setup, but since my cycling gear doesn't include lycra 😀 you might guess my lack of concern for speed, weight, aesthetic, etc. And holy cow, one good 360 cam with multiple uses for less than the price of 2 marginal cameras? I generally appreciate it when a company does 1 thing and does it better than anyone else. Make a good dash cam. Make a good light. Make a good action cam. It looks like this category is still looking for a best in class when a 360d action cam appears to do more for less.
Thanks for the input! Im super interested in the footage, and ease of use. I agree with you on the X3 or RS.
My current feeling is if I wanted one camera, would it be the RS with 360 mod on my helmet? It would catch both directions and go with me on my helmet instead of needing to remove it.
The battery life, size, incident protection, and quick removal is what have really stood out on the cycliq but if the battery or footage sucks then they aren’t worth it!
I need to get through some of these reviews first before buying another camera!
You must be getting your insta360 cheaper than me: in the UK an insta360 and bike mounting is £575 (about $700) so it’s way more expensive 😢)
so I like the action cam Idea but you can' t get near the run time of these CYCLIQ with a INSTA360 or GORPRO. or am I wrong?
@@graveldoov2215 Not sure of the specs, but I'm guessing you're probably right on the runtime with the internal battery being better on the cycliq than any action cam. The deciding factor for any cyclist would be the type of bike and riding one is doing, and the primary and secondary purpose of any video. If one is a roadie with a concern about weight/aero (i.e. speed), the cycliq may be better if it has a better runtime. As a touring rider where none of these is a concern form me personally, I carry a usb-c battery pack that provides a continual power source for my insta360 action cams. And since I also document my rides, as in making documentary videos, the video quality of the action cam is superior to something like a cycliq. And all of this is moot if one rides an e-bike for 'shorter' distances on utility rides, as the run time or weight doesn't come into play so much. It comes down to what your primary purpose and kit is. Shorter rides, lighter road bike, faster speed means something different than a utility ride (transport) needing video to document car interactions or a touring ride that may want to both document rides for safety and produce video content for others. This is why I love watching @bikeshopgirl, since she seems to cover a riding style and purpose that is quite different than other road cycling channels - both utility riding and content creation while riding. I sincerely hope you find the right solution for the cycling you do!.
Awesome thank you!!
Would appreciate testing various rear cameras used for safety and recording for insurance protection. Seems like most videos out test cameras only for creating content to publish online.
Does the phone app record from both front and rear cameras, or does it only control both? I was hit by a car (shattered femur - 2 years recovery) and if I ride again, I will have both front and rear cameras. I would like a system that records both cameras like my automobile system. However, individual cameras that record separately would suffice since they could be time-matched. I am only interested in recording for protection, not content for publishing.
It is interesting in why they would install an alarm feature on the rear camera i think a radar or laser system would have been of more use as your no way in hell leaving this attached to your bike and walking away are you?! I definitely wouldn't and does it have a like IP cam if you did? for example if used it for this and have a rear camera recording whats going on and a possible theft to be able to wirelessly retrieve the footage? If not once its gone it's gone your not seeing that or the footage again so i think this could be replaced with something more for the road safety radar as the garmin one's pretty good! But thats just my 2 cents on this item maybe other's would leave it attached to a bike for no good reason that i can think of myself?!
Look into INNOVV K6 camera.
thanks!
The DJI is much better than the gopro its definitely worth upgrading to one from a GP
which DJI?
I ordered both yesterday, here in Germany we have good bike infrastructure in comparison to the US. But we have also many car drivers they don't follow the rules and you don't have a case mostly whithout some video evidence.
I love these cameras but they are so expensive.
First time on your channel. Nice channel name. Audio & video very clear. The zoom-out segment was very neat 5:35. First time to see that on RUclips. Do you have the review? Not seeing a link. Thanks. Liked & Subscribed.
Great reviews 👍 thanks 🙏
One other question that's prompted by something I saw in a Twitter or FB post somewhere...is there a hack that would allow the Fly12 (longer battery life, better camera) to be mounted to a seatpost? The person had mounted it somehow, then covered over the light. IF that's possible, it'd be practical to mount both it up high and a regular rear light of your choice right below it on the post.
You might want to look into 2in1 solutions like Techalogic DC-1 or DC-2 it goes on top or side of helmet and has front and rear cameras in one body.
You failed to mention that both cycliq cameras can be powered via an usb c power back when in use. To significantly increase the record time. Also they are not meant to record video for cinematic needs all they need to do is record enough detail to identify vehicles in threatening situations
At the time of recording this, it wasn’t possible :)
I searched your Channel and couldn’t find a single update!
So what happened with your testing and final review of both Cameras?
I own a benno boost. How well would the rear camera work with a cargo bike and kids in the cargo bay? Can the camera attach to the rear of the cargo frame?
You may need the adapter that allows you to attach to GoPro mounts for different mounts from there. That’s the most universal option I have found.
What about your smartphone that has image stabilization with 1 Terabyte or even 500 GIG SD CARD or internal storage to just record everything that way? (no good?) are the camer's just not wide enough in the angle?
You could certainly use your phone to record rides, but the angle, battery life, and potential damage to a phone during a crash would all keep me from relying on it daily.
Thank you for reviewing this, I have always been keen on these products but the cost vs the performance just does not make it worth it for me at this point. So I hope perhaps your results can enlighten me. I do wish more companies made comparible products so that there are more options
Thank you! I'm interested to see how they hold up next to a GoPro Hero 9 or 10. You can buy the GoPro Hero 9/10 used for an okay price and with the replaceable battery it feels like a better long term investment.
@@BikeShopGirl I read that GoPros have reliability issues as well, heat issues or suddenly turning off
@@LawrenceSeetoh I haven't had those issues since they changed which chip they are using with the Hero10
Do you use a biking "dash" camera?
Fly12 sport 4k is pretty good footage and good battery life
i do hope it have better apps and easier to get footage off it
Just got my Cycliq 12 sport - today might be the 1st ride.
The biggest issue i have so far is working with the recordings. The android app is very limited -basically only camera/light settings. The company has software to allow strava overlays etc but only works on windows or Mac. I have neither.
Trying to get windows in a VM to see the device via usb is proving to be a nightmare.
At least i can take the sd card out and transfer files manually to edit, upload to YT, etc. But the user interface from the device itself is horrendous for a product of this price.
The video quality is terrible . When you need the footage , the quality doesn't allow you to capture any decent information
Not true. The sweet spot on the fly12 is 1440/30 and is easily good enough in daylight to record number plates etc. in low light it’s a different story
Is there a camera that you'd recommend (or even just know of one that exists) that works below freezing?
Editing to add another question: How much stock would you put into the editing software if the footage isn't for sharing, RUclips, etc, but just as a CYA for crashes/psycho encounters? For something like the 360 you showed in a previous video, is that editing difficult to learn if you don't use it often?
How cold are you thinking?
@@BikeShopGirl We're in Utah and my husband is still commuting to and from work (20 miles round trip). A couple weeks ago the "real feel" temp was -3 and he said that was the first time he'd felt uncomfortable.
The cycliq 6 battery life is poor and not worth the money
Do not buy this camera. My fly 12 was faulty right out of the box. There's a 3% fee to return it.... what an absolute scam. I can't believe it's this shitty right out of the box.... im so angry about it.
Yep. Cyclic products are a hit and miss on quality. I had 2 Fly6 that had battery leakage and software issue that lasted less than 3 months of usage. The 1st unit had battery leakage, right from the start, brand new. Got a 1-1 exchange from local seller. Replacement unit went into death mode where the camera won’t stop unless a hard reset, multiple times. It’s a useless expensive paper weight. Lots of videos on cyclic failures.
Bloody hell! I just went with a DJI action cam its alot better than the go pro when we tested them got all day out a charge on both bit picture quality was much nicer in the DJI
Finally, we will be able to watch more "dumb Cyclists fail" videos, but in higher quality
What do you mean?
Does it give a low battery warning ? Send to phone or bike computer ?
you do get an audible on the camera.