Nissan Leaf 40 kWh And It's Rapid Charge Issues.
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2018
- Today Jonathan, James (@IoniqEVdriver) and myself are racing 3 EV's from Leicestershire, 450 miles north to Aberdeen docks. The weather is bad, minus 5, snow on the ground and we all have varying degrees of EV experience. We'll be driving A 40kWh Leaf for Jonathan, a 30kWh Leaf for myself and a 28kWh Hyundai Ioniq for James. On paper the result is pretty simple, in reality it never works that way.....
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WHAT!!! A 29 minute video! There's no way I'm watching all that just to find out about this silly race and Leaf issue!... 29 minutes later... Damn, that was a good video. Subscribed.
Thanks for watching and welcome aboard, plenty more to come.....
Well worth the wait for this video. Congratulations to the joint winners and of course poor Jonathons woes are well justified.
Really good race. Just goes to show its not just the one with the biggest battery wins. it’s how you manage the battery and how efficient it is. Enjoyed this one. Keep it up.
Thank you for making this video James, and in such harsh conditions, better than watching an episode of Top Gear!
Thank you for your nice comments :-)
Great test of three EVs in some pretty bad winter conditions. It’s very disappointing that the 40 kWh LEAF’s charging tapers down as battery temperature increases. I suspect they do it to prevent degradation, but it really hamper’s the vehicle’s usefulness. Nissan should have learned their lesson from the earlier LEAFs and installed thermal management instead of going with this slow charging bandaid.
Keep up the great content! I’d love to see more EV adventures like this with other vehicles... perhaps a summer road trip.
Even worse that the battery gets hot in bitter cold weather.
I cancelled my Leaf order today :) thanks for the video and saving me lots of anguish. Much appreciated.
May I ask why you cancelled your Leaf order?
@@Demobot1 It appears the leaf has a poor BMS system and no liquid cooling/heating on the battery so it can't manage long road trips. A good car for driving around town though!
Keep in mind that the Ioniq is able to charge MUCH faster than it does on these DBT chargers.
I tested it on the new 175kW Fastned chargers in Holland couple of weeks ago and average charge rate from 20% to 75% was 77kW. It seems to be able to pull 200A up to 75%.
A race using chargers like that it would have been no contest.
Tesla territory, and they are setting the bar for sure.
Thanks for this James. Very enlightning
Great experiment and and really surprising about the Ionic. Top marks to you all.
FANTASTIC!!! I was glued!!! I knew the 30kwh would do well but the Hyundai was REALLY Impressive.
Well done again and great editing as usual.
Thank you. The new Leaf will not be a problem for me. Start from home with a full charge, that should give me 150 odd miles. The first rapid charge will give me say 120 miles and then the second will give me 120 miles. I would not wish to drive more than that in one day.
TBH most people will be unaffected by it, and the car is still great
David Fox, that could be possible in winter, each fast charge will take about 1 hour.
In summer you'll get only 1 fast charge since the battery will be much warmer in the beginning and it will cool down a lot slower. The second one will be painfully slow.
Great effort guys in such horrendous weather! Fair do’s I doff my cap to you all! And now look forward to the challenges ahead in my new EV 👍
Awesome video guys! Thanks so much for all the effort of making it! Wow super interesting results and just confirms all the rumours about the 40kWh Leaf not being able to handle more that 1 rapid. So disappointing Nissan would release a car with such a massive short coming. That ioniq is a very impressive machine, hats off to Hyundai! This has confirmed it for me not in go for the 40kWh Leaf and hold on to my trusty 24kWh Leaf until either the 64kWh Hyundai Kona comes out or even the roumoured upgraded ioniq
Awesome video James, the 40kWh is amazing for all the tech and gadgets. But it'll be good to have another challenge in the summer if Nissan tweaks the 40kWh Leaf.
You do a great job also.
the leaf didn't have active battery temperature control....so it wouldn't use the rapid charge when the battery temperature is too high or too low. the ioniq has better air dynamic....and it's lighter, weaker engine also more efficiency tire. it's not all good on ioniq tho...but if we're just talking about efficiency, ioniq is better
great test guys - well done. Would be good to see one in the summer too.
Great video, can't believe how well that Hyundai performed. Amazing!
I really enjoyed this video. I’ve been pushing the range/temperature limits of my own 2018, last of the 30kw Leaf’s on 400km trips in Ireland so I can relate to the factors you are balancing. It’s like a new sport. A similar challenge in UK ‘summer’ would be interesting. I’m looking forward to some higher mileage trips myself later in the year as I use the car to get me to nationwide events in a Championship I cover.
In summer? Without CCS charger issues, the 30 kWh Leaf would be 2 hours behind and the 40 kWh Leaf at least 2 more.
Excellent Race! Thank you for having this race under such horrid conditions! Side note, My local sales rep for Hyundai told me in reality the Ioniq battery is actually 31 KW and 28 usable and only advertises the usable aspect of the battery, not sure if this changes anything honestly. Cheers!
Entertaining and informative. Thanks.
Excellent video. As if we didn't already know...'Hyundai are coming!' (already here of course) Really enjoyed that one 👍
Great video though! I hope to see more of this type of challenge in the future with other sets of cars. This is the new Top Gear. Well almost :)
Also, it would be nice with an overlay map of where you are when charging along the route.
Great video! And a surprise... I’m going to have to really consider my options when my PCP ends on my current Leaf 24KWh in September. Sounds like I’ll be too early for the Kona, and possibly the 60KWh Leaf too. But the IONIQ might be a sensible option...
Nicely done, the three of you! The Ioniq must have better aerodynamics, less weight and better battery management. Unless James is a more efficient driver? It's a big shame that Nissan have skimped on thermal management, so let's hope that they can either find a workaround or else retro-fit a cooling system.
Thanks, James and Kate, for your hospitality last week, and for the opportunity to travel in your Tesla. It's an awesome experience, and the car lives up to its reputation!
Great video as always guys and girls.
Great vid, let’s hope they get that battery issue sorted ready for the summer rematch😎🤔
Great video , enjoyed it very much 👍🏻will stick with my 30kwh leaf 😄that bit longer .
Great video James, unless you have another volunteer i'd love to be part of a spring or summer test with the 41kWh Zoe (Q90 Quick Charge) included. I might be repeating myself to you, but I did London to Stonehouse (420 miles) the day before you all set off.
Andrew Goodlad if the Zoe beats the Nissan leaf 40kw it would be like adding insult to injury
Andrew Goodlad Reckon you'd win easy with the big battery and active thermal management
What a compelling video and well done to all who took part. This is a classic piece of responsible social media, to the extent that would-be EV owners don’t just assume that a bigger battery means a better car and that the like of Nissan can view it as constructive criticism and do something about it.
we are always doing this journey, if you keep up with us on twitter you'll see when we are next heading off, I'm sure we can get something together :-)
I have a strange feeling that the Zoe would beat the leaf!!!
What a great test. Good job guys! So efficiency and charging speed can be more determinant than battery size. Another lesson learned. Hope Nissan fix the problem with rapid charging soon. I wonder if the 30 kWh Leaf would have performed as good as the Ionic in a sunny summer day as the battery temperature in the Leaf was close to its limit despite low outside temperature.
Hi Neal, so the 30 makes its best even with high temperatures, good to know. But for the future (and the present 40 Leaf) in order to reduce battery degradation Nissan should change battery management system and improve user experience. Besides, improving battery life avoids CO2 emissions that will be released to manufacture a new replacement battery. Also improves cost of ownership.
Excellent job; well done guys. Lets hope Nissan sort out this issue., I should pick-up my 40kWh soon, I'd like it too be the car I thought I was ordering.
Great work folks.
Super video proving bigger is not always better
Very well edited, once past the first full battery charge rate and efficiency become important, I think I managed something silly like 6.7 miles to the kWh when I spent an afternoon with an IONIQ last summer.
wow, thats very very high, clearly a great driver :-)
Slow traffic day around Matlock and downhill run back into Derby on the A38 from Alfreton helped but still a super efficient car at speed.
I predicted the Ionic would win. It’s way more efficient. I noticed this a while back when I test drove one.
From the Netherlands, thanks for the very interesting video! I’m looking for a hybrid or ev car. Your video’s are important for my choice, Again, thanks!
Fantastic viewing and a true test of EVs capabilities
Would be good to see a 38kWh Ioniq up against a couple of rivals but I guess these Aberdeen endurance runs are history.
In our quest to get an EV we find ourselves still hunting. We've resisted the hype of new and decided that we really cannot justify the 250 mile range in a Kona or an eNiro so we're looking at a 38kWh Ioniq. Looks like it does everything that we realistically need with some headroom in range and plenty of space for our camping kit or those trips with an elderly relative taking him to visit family members.
The 38kWh is king.
Monumentally intriguing and effective-efficiency revealing.
// You should all be compensated for your sleepless competitiveness.
Four years on and still a favourite.
A really interesting video. Well done. Is it possible to have more details about timings, routes, costs.
Would the rapid charge problems not be exaggerated in the summer when its warmer?
That was interesting! What a great car that Ioniq is!
What an epic piece of film! Love my memories of the days when driving an EV still was an Adventure! The Ioniq won by a considerable amount, if you account for the faulty chargers. And it appears James had a heater at his disposal in his Ioniq, while the Leafists resorted to blankets in their 🥶🥶 cars.
4 years ago... Glad people still watch it, if only to reminisce. Without a doubt there was only one winner 😀
@@Jamesandkate 4 Years ago really was the turning point, wasn't it? I've had a Tesla before that, because there was no alternative. But the Ioniq made so much more sense on many levels. It really was the first sensible and fully practical EV, and it coincided with CCS charging becoming sufficiently available and reliable. At least here in Switzerland and France, where I'm driving. And I think it still hit the sweet spot like no other car to this day. I just ran out of battery warranty on mine a few days ago @200'000km and I'm not worried.
Loved to watch the video, great people having a great time! Thanks m8👍
Very interesting video. I wonder did you summarize all amount KWh delivered by the charging stations?
Great video! As someone who’s about to get a new 2018 Leaf it’s good so many people have flagged the rapid charge issues now, it’s probably saved me some potential anguish. From everything I’ve seen I have zero expectations of any “fix”. I don’t see Nissan changing their mind about battery protection and easing up on the charge vs batt temp throttling, and I really can’t see a recall to install any battery temp management hardware. Personally I’m fine with all this as I never plan to take mine more that a hundred miles once in a blue moon. Nevertheless I think we are all a bit disappointed in what otherwise is an excellent update to an already excellent EV. As for the Ionic, it always looked like a brilliant car and this goes further to prove it. So big props to Hyundai, I just prefer the look of the new Leaf, and a test drive made me fall in love with it.
Great video
Hi James, I beleive your video of the 450 mile race has made Nissan sit up and take notice, Bjorn Nyland's 1000km trip also confirmed your honest findings, the ball is with Nissan now, they have a great chance here to make it right and become a serious leader in the EV market, but if they drop the ball ...
I really hope they fix this issue and do the right thing for the future of EV travel.
Great eye opener video. Thanks and well done. Two questions if I may. How many charges did the 40kWh Leaf do before the 2 hour wait and how did you find all of those free chargers? Especially Ecotricty. I thought they hadn't been free for 2 years.
Lots of love for the Ioniq. What a car!
Great video race , very impressed with the Hyundai , wonder if that a duff leaf he got ? Blimey if they all like that gonna create a right sh#t storm lol even kryten mentioned it on fully charged. Nice to see she's electric what a star ! Cheers lads and lady 😉👍👍👍
Don't think I'll be going for a LEAF 40 anytime soon, given this particular issue. I only need to do an Aberdeen/Midlands, Midlands/Aberdeen journey once a year, but I want fast charging on the whole trip.
Great video James, would have been interesting to see how the Tesla would have done on this kind of journey.
It's almost a bit weird to see how everyone realizes how good the Ioniq really is, almost two years after it's unveil. Nothing has changed, yet here we are astonished that excellent aerodynamics and somewhat low weight helps long range travel at highway speeds? Could this be consequence of Hyundai not delivering a lot cars, hence it being absolutely drowned by new releases, taking away our attention to what really matters, efficiency.
Oh and, thanks for sharing and making this video. The market segment that the Ioniq represents is only contested by the Model 3 so far, which is a bit slim. Would like to see other manufacturers coming onto the small to medium saloon market too. And I think this showcase really enlightens the utility and performance that can be had.
Actually there are a few competitors. BMW i3, Hyundai Kona 40 and 64 and Bolt 60. Ioniq would beat an i3 since it is more efficient. Kona 40 would be a draw.
Kona 64 and Bolt would probably beat the Ioniq since they need fewer charging stops, but it would be close.
Even when using 100 kW CCS, Kona and Bolt charge faster.
A 50 kWh Ioniq would beat them all. This car would be in Tesla Model 3 / Model S 75 territory.
Excellent video let's see wot Nissan comes up with it is worrying buying a car and it doesn't come up to the mark I have a 24kw and 40kw leaf absolutely love driving both but a bit flabbergasted why Nissan didn't see charge gate coming......
Watching speeded-up videos of snow driving on the motorway gives me the screaming ab-dabs!
Well done worth the wait for me ionic clear winner and he probably had his heater on lol
david coe I was wondering about this. Did the IONIQ driver use the heater? He didn’t look particularly bundled up and he never mentioned being cold. The LEAF drivers were clearly very cold, often with condensation on the windows from the lack of heat.
Good question
The question about the heating was answered by James in another question. Yes, the Ioniq had the heater on, the Leaf 30 driver was freezing and the 40 kWh Leaf was out of the ballgame anyway.
We really hope that Nissan solve the range problem with the 40Kwh Leaf.
However were really pleased that the Ioniq acquitted itself so well.
It just happens that we have the Ioniq Hybrid and that is super efficient too.
We can't have a home charger unfortunately.
Great video but I didn't manage to work out how long the whole journey took?
Absolutely brilliant video. Can I ask which vehicle would you say is better atm, the Ioniq EV, the new Nissan or wit a few more months to see how the market plays out over the next few months?
Interesting result. That was a good piece of motor journalism guys. Nissan has some serious thinking, not to mention actions to take before I trust them with my hard earned.
I really thought that the Leaf was going to be my next car. I like the Leaf and really want it to succeed, but I need more usability from it than this video showed. Any news about installing thermal management for the 40kwh leaf?
Does anyone know how much the 60kwh leaf is going to cost?
What’s the news on the larger battery ionic expected later in the year?
Good video. I assume you've seen TeslaBjorn's video. He had a hard time getting the power charged to the car to add up with the dash displays. Concerning.
yep, we follow Bjorn, all pretty familiar...
Good video! Cool race. Sorry you didnt get a tesla on the line to. Maybe next race to Paris?
The Ioniq, compared with most other EV's (e.g. Nissan and Renault) with greater battery capacity appears to set the range and efficiency standard. It will be interesting to see what a new fully electric Ioniq delivers. At present, even with less battery capacity, the Ioniq can perform incredibly well.
Thanks for this video. Nissan said to me that long distance trip concerned 3% of Nissan owners. That is the reason active cooling system is not fit in it...even for next generation of Nissan Leaf...i did cancel my order to Nissan. Sad
so why fit a bigger battery if that is the case????
James the place name of the services just in Scotland is Abington Abingdon is in the south midlands of England. Just in case you get lost.
Ioniq's battery is 31kw, using 28. Leaf uses around 27. Hyundai startes useable capacity unlike Nissan.
I was going to say just that, the 30kWh LEAF actually has the smallest battery of those three cars. Add in the better aerodynamics and general efficiency of the Ioniq you can see why it would have won, had chargers not been an issue.
Personally I'm still shying away from CCS cars for now in the UK, still too few chargers as compared to CHAdeMO. I had hoped my next car would be the 40kWh LEAF but after hearing the first rumblings of what's now called #Rapidgate, a couple of weeks ago I instead opted for a 30kWh Kia Soul EV. Should be a decent step up (when it arrives in about August) from my 24kWh LEAF, if not quite the leap that I'd originally hoped for.
You will LOve your Soul, I am getting 75-80 miles from my 27kw driving my 70 mile commute every day down the dual carriageway @56-60 in UK weather. with the active thermal managment I can fill my car from 15% - 94% in 33 mins
I have also done 4 rapids in a row before with no slowing down :)
The most rapid charges I've done in a day, in my 24kWh LEAF, is 9 (Sussex to Edinburgh). No slow downs (if anything it seemed to get a touch quicker...)
There is a regular trip to Cardiff Bay that I do (360 miles return, in a day). I'm going to feel very smug that my Soul EV will do that quicker than the 40kWh LEAF, especially in the summer!
Why was this trip done at night and not daytime, I may have missed it but how long did the the first finisher take to do the 450 miles
Ok James here’s a quick thought, what if you only rapid charged the 40kw Leaf to 50-60% instead of 80%? Do you think that lessening the extra heat an 80% charge over a 60% charge would help keep the temp down? You’d start with 100% to begin so benefit from the distance advantage.
Hi James and Kate.
I'm looking at maybe buying a second hand leaf as I've been inspired by your video's.
There are however a few questions that I have.
Can you charge these outside in the rain from home on granny charge?
Can you get a fast charger for the first gen leaf as this is what I'm looking for?
And how do you get charging cards to chargers away from home.
I am looking at a leaf at a fiat dealer in Nuneaton with 38k on the clock and 11 bars on the battery display at a price of 8k.
These might sound daft but ,this will be a big step for me and j don't want to get it wrong.
P.s. love the vids.I live in atherstone so not far from you.
Hmm, I can see the resale values of the 40kwh Leafs going off a cliff. My previous car was a Hyundai Getz which I ran for seven years of trouble-free motoring before getting my 24kwh Leaf. I think the Koreans are showing the way.
What app are you using to track each others real-time progress?
Still think the 30 is a great car 👍 good entertainment from all 3 teams, well done.
Cheers John
Did I miss this, but did they ever say the length of time it took for each of the three cars to travel the 420 miles?
I don't work for Hyundai, and that ioniq, is a compromised design, due to being a hybrid, phev, ev. Every test I've seen the ioniq seems to be amazing apart from grip. What's a pure Hyundai ev design going to be like? I'd say incredible.
as i dont like Ioniq, it showed me the older Leaf is the better choice and actually saves 10tsd euro compared with Leaf 2. Thanks a lot for this epic race
One thing that was obvious (and not mentioned) was James in the Ioniq was not dressed as if he was mountaineering while driving. Presuming he's not some hard man, the Ioniq has to be the 'most useable' EV?
absolutely spot on. James did the whole journey with the heater on while i was freezing :-)
It looks that he wanted to participate and win
and you wanted to crush the Ioniq, no matter what :-)
From what I have read, in late 2018 or early 2019, there will be a version of the Hyundai Ioniq with a 64KW/H battery. That will be an EV which I will be very interested to see tested.
Well it's only going to be 40kwh (38.5 is useable).
what was the actual Driving time for the Leaf30 & Ioniq arriving at the destination?
Testing whether a battery overheats in freezing temperature?
Great show guys, great fun! Now I’m considering my position as I have a 40kw 2018 Leaf on order. Delivery end of April or early may, so what shall I do?
IPete2 I would seriously consider canceling my order if I was in your position Pete unless you never ever rapid charge. I'm going to hang onto my trusty 24kWh Leaf until either the new 64kWh Hyundai Kona or the even longer range ioniq is out later this year
IPete2 it really depends on how many miles you do in a week I do 200 miles a week the good thing for me if people say they are cancelling there cars I’ll get mine faster
williamlorimer060867: Its not the miles per week that matters but the miles per trip without decent breaks such as business meetings etc to allow the battery to cool. If you need more than 2 rapid charges per leg of your trip you’ll soon get frustrated at the amount if time you have to spend waiting fir the 40kWh Leaf to charge, especially if you use up your 45 mins Ecotricity charge time limit before you’ve achieved 80% state of charge as this would mean you either have to accept a shorter distance to the next charge or start a second charge immediately after the previous. Either way, you’ll be spending more time just waiting instead of driving.
Its all down to whether you expect to have to recharge two or more times per leg of your journey.
So, I found out yesterday that my car has arrived, a month early!!! Wonder why!? Well luckily for me I rarely do more than 65miles per day, work is less than 20 miles from my home but I do want to do longer trips, but it will be rare that I exceed 300 miles in one day, I will keep you posted. Thanks for the advice guys!
The Ioniq is still the long range champion. For me who at most do ~200km maximum a day? I still take the Leaf 40 kWh.
Still saving money for now - perhaps the 60 kWh in the works?
What really comes over is how far 'affordable ' EV's still have to go to compete with dirty but effective ice's. Great video though.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit against Nissan for making a battery you can'r charge from overheating.
Hi guys, thanks for doing this video. However, I think you could have summarized this in a much shorter time. We don't necessarily need to see all the driving and stopping stuff. Also, if you kept logs with stats, that would have been good to see (how long each car drove between stops, how long fast charged and at what kW rate, what was battery SOC at before charging then after, what was battery temp at before and after each charge, etc.. I think a breakdown of this for each would be very interesting, you did provide a bit of info for the Leaf 2.0 at one point. Thanks.
Bjorn Nyland will probably get the stats.
Bjorn Nyland actually did a thorough 1000 km 19 hours long test with the Nissan Leaf 2.0 40 kWh and he made 2 videos, a short with recommendations and a long one with all the stats:
ruclips.net/video/QycmLQriePU/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/foSYZ7bVhYk/видео.html
Enjoy!
Love this video, and the Ioniq is a brilliant EV.. BUT it does NOT have the smallest battery of the pack. Hyundai uses NET capacity.. and Nissan uses GROSS capacity. In reality the Ioniq has around 32kWh Gross battery-capacity
Wow. I'm speechless. Nissan should be ashamed for trying to pass a fast one on us.
Nissan need to get their act together, otherwise the new 200 mile range Ioniq, due in 2018, will blow their Leaf to the weeds!
Very interesting video, great work! I just hope it won't give people the impression that a long distance EV trip consists mostly of waiting at the rapid chargers, I think that is not quite true.
Actually it should not be too surprising that for such a long trip, efficiency is more important than battery capacity. If we assume equal rapid charge rates between the vehicles (I know this was not the case for Jonathan, but just pretend) then after the first stretch (done using the initial battery charge), the charge time can be seen as a time-tax on every kWh consumed. For instance, at 40kW charge rate, every kWh consumed during driving requires 90 seconds of additional charge time to recover the energy. This tax is almost independent of your battery size: with a smaller battery you just need to stop more often for shorter periods. (Of course there is some additional time lost before and after actual charging, whence "almost".) And so with a more efficient car (and there is no doubt that the Ioniq beats the Leafs here) you get to go faster, even when driving the same speed; only on the very first stretch a longer range EV has an advantage.
It's so disappointing with the 40 kWh charging problem. I had big hopes that it would easily win this race when I first got wind of this race. Imagine that, the old 30 kWh car beat the new 40 kWh car! And then the Ionic did even better!
My theory is that Nissan has been over-enthusiastic with protecting the battery from external temperatures so that the insulation starts to work against it when the battery heats up from charging. The heat is not let out of the battery. Otherwise I don't see how it would overheat when it's below freezing outside. Being too cold I could see but not too warm.
Great video. And remember the Ioniq is allready compatible with higher charge speeds. When CCS charging infrastructure gets and update it will be even faster.
In the Netherlands Fastned has put 175 kW CCS in use and you see these charge rates:
18% - 81% 20 kWh in 16 minutes = 75 kW: image.ibb.co/cz9gnn/IMG_0535.jpg
18% - 94% 24 kWh in 24 minutes = 60 kW: image.ibb.co/ie3ff7/IMG_0536.jpg
Source: gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1739939/24
Ultrafast charger blocking (by LEAF and Ampera-E drivers), while 50 kW chargers are available, is allready becoming a new problem for Ioniq drivers.. We need a new name for that, any suggestions?
Once the charging on the Leaf2 is sorted out, you'd expect it to be ahead - however, it'll be really interesting to see by how far though.
Also, are you going to publish the various timings? One anti-EV argument that I'm finding difficult to win is that on a long journey like this, for every 90 mins on the road, you spend 30 mins charging (roughly speaking). In a smaller battery EV like the original Leaf, it's probably worse?
Lee Oades I actually don’t expect it to be ahead, even when they sort out the charging. The IONIQ is more efficient and can charge more quickly on CCS. Battery capacity isn’t as important as charging speed and driving efficiency.
I just tested the Ioniq on 175kW chargers in Holland and average charge rate was over 75kW up to 75%. Seems to max out at close to 80kW. There is no way Leaf2 can compete with that.
Also ... that gives a range of over 100km in 10 minutes of charging. 15minutes of charging every 150-170 km isn't that bad. :)
Awesome! Thats about where road trips are no longer even an issue!
Did the Ioniq use 100kW DC CCS?
When the problem is fixed you need to do a rematch 😉 the fact the problem has its own banner, Twitter # Rapidgate is farcical to Nissan. Whatever money spent on fancy advertising, launch has been wasted as this has taken the headline. Nissan it’s like close but no-cigar as they say. They now have a car that will always have that Rapidgate round its neck like a lingering bad taste - well done them. They have to absolutely nail it’s bigger brother coming later with thermal management. Great clip, when others would look at the forecast and say “Nah” you all powered on. 👏👏👏 Credit to the EV community.
Tunnocks and Irn Bru will get you through :)
My Halifax and Paypal apps allow usage of touch sensor :) So index finger (I prefer fingerprint sensor to be on the back) to login and that's it!
And ringGo (parking) doesn't always even log me out! C'mon Ecotricity!!
Personally, I'd get the Caledonian Sleeper and wake up nice and refreshed in Aberdeen!
Just like to say thanks. Its because of guys like you and the likes of Nikki at Transport Evolved that keeps the ev car companies on their toes.
Rapidgate isn't so much a scandal as a indictment of the lack of any real basic development on Nissans part.
...or it could just be a bug in the battery management software? Cock up over conspiracy every time (unless it's Facebook ;-).
You should do a summer rematch. Add a VW Golf, BMW i3 94ah BEV and Kia Soul EV 30kwh to the mix as well?
No need to do it. If nobody has charging issues, the result is:
1. Hyundai Ioniq (most efficient, active TMS)
2. BMW i3 (less efficient, but with liquid TMS)
3. Kia Soul EV (same technology as Ioniq, but a lot more drag)
4. Nissan Leaf 30
4. VW e-Golf
4. Renault Zoe Q90
6. Nissan Leaf 40
I am just not sure about the 4th place. Zoe has active (fan) cooling, but it charges slower than the Leaf 30 in the beginning. e-Golf doesn't have battery cooling, but it charges at about 30 kW all the time.
It would very much depend how cold the batteries would be at the start.
Also on the he skill of the drivers, how well they know their car, the route and the chargers.
Very interesting results. Why is css such a pain.
paul webb CCS is only a UK pain. Somehow the BREXIT prestarted on charging standards (sorry couldn't help it). It works fine in continental Europe and will soon surpass Chademo in charging speed. Availlability is about the same as Chademo but with CCS being EU standard, Chademo will also be compromised on availlability - unfortunately.
Ecotricity aren't making most of the business opportunity.. I'd say almost half of my rapids have been free since they started charging fees.. I feel a bit rotten I've had so many free miles
Andrew Winter shhhhusssss
1st leaf is lifepo4 chemistry which is ok without active thermal management. 40kwh with lipo battery needs active thermal management.
No Leaf has a LiFePO4 battery the 24,30 and 40kWh have the same chemistry just higher energy density on the 40kWh version.
electrodacus no both Zoe 40 and leaf 40 use lg chem prismatic lithium ion cells like in Chevy bolt
They are pouch cells in a metal box that is just the construction has nothing to do with chemistry used. They are not LiFePO4 but rather NCM (Nickel Cobalt Manganese) much higher energy density than LiFePO4.
The largest EV manufacturer BYD is using LiFePO4
electrodacus anyway they need liquid cooling.
For most cases not having liquid cooling works just fine long distance traveling with a leaf is just no fun and most will use it for short distance trips where not having the complexity of liquid cooling is better.
Future cars will not have liquid cooling a s batteries will improve in therms of internal impedance.
-4 is parishingly cold? aww the english are so cute.... -4 is light jacket weather for a Canadian after February