Nissan Leaf 40 kWh winter range test
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2018
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At 90 km/h, 56 mph: 178 Wh/km and 200 km range
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Hi , I was super happy that you made this test now, i have been searching into your past video about the leaf 2018 but i understand why i could not find the winter test for the leaf. very happy that you did, thanks
Great material as always! I'm in Sweden and getting my Leaf in Feb-March, so this is really interesting to me. Also happy to hear about the rapidgate fixes!
I was leaning towards an Ioniq so I'm glad that this first (that I know of) apples-to-apples comparison of winter range between the two plays out in slight favour of the Leaf it seems (although to be frank it should be winning by more than a nose considering the battery size differences...)
Love ur videos❤️
I hope you soon get to test a new Leaf as well and with your contacts at Nissan, maybe get an answer about updates for older leafs. I have put up version information about my software in a video and also added info from ECU via leafspy in the description of my last video. :)
Thanks Bjorn. That is was interesting.
Hi Bjorn! it's always a pleasure for me to follow your tests. In this one, you start the winter test with a hot battery (+ 30 ° C) following a fast charge. I'll be curious to do the same test with a battery at outside temperature of -5 ° C. This is what will be closest to the reality of someone who charge at home during night. Do you believe it would make a difference?
Thank you ! very good video ! I just bought a new leaf and I can confirm your video! I did 192 km at 1C 80% higthway at 100 km/h and 20% city and 6% was renaming! I also tested a fast charging station and got 75% in 30 min
Great !
My LEAF 2.0 is due for its first annual service in March. I've always imagined that the service will include a software update (as widely discussed elsewhere, there's not much to do in an EV service), so here's hoping that will raise the allowable limit on battery temperature. I don't do many long road trips, so letting the battery get hot occasionally should not degrade it enough to matter.
Hi Bjorn when are you reviewing the 62kw nissan leaf .I'm very excited about this car arriving
Hi Bjorn, thanks for the video. I own a 2018 Leaf SL (top end model) in Canada. It will get colder here soon, but I'd like to see your 120km/hr test, as that is more realistic for highway driving here. If I drove 96km/hr my wife would ....well, let's just say, she would not be happy at me :) She once said she didn't buy a new car to drive like an old lady. ;) That was the polite version. :)
The 97% you see in the beginning when charging is the % of available GIDS. And that is only 100% few "days" from new. Will drop as the SOH drop over time.
Bjørn, please check if your Norwegian TEKNA version is missing the large undercar diffusor for aerodynamics. Please check if there is a emergency wheel instead your TEKNA and tell. Thanks. BTW: great video!
Heat pump are generally pretty poor in subzero. What is likely is that the cabin would be losing the heat faster than the heat pump can put it in. Or at best has really slow heating effect. So you will run it for a long time. Better to use resistance heater to put a lot of heat in quickly.
I’m getting between 100 and 120 in mine here in uk where it’s around 0 to -3 at the moment. More dramatic winter range reduction than I’d expected, but I’m ok with it. Just plugging in a bit more than usual.
Hi! Very interesting!! I'm trying to forecast how far I car go with mine since I received it (own since Nov 2018). A couple of questions: 1. You seemed to do a round trip (correct me if I'm wrong). On one way (or the other), did you have a material change in your elevation (i.e. total ascent)? If so, did you notice a steeper rate or battery decline, by how much did the bettery decline rate increase? 2. Did you try to do a range test with the car totally pack (i.e. equivalent to you, plus one person, plus 2 children, plus truck full)? I'm asking because I believe a lot of people use that car as a family car (I do). If so, how did it impact the range? Many thanks!!!!
Look at that lovely weather - ask mother nature, to send it too the UK.
Awesome buddy, really great info you given on the Nissan Leaf. As I’ve ordered one and waiting for it to be available from Nissan. Got the 40kwh and in leather with all the bells and whistles.👍🌟
thanks for sharing buddy and be safe👍
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So true about the Nissan Guess-o-Meter. When I drove it, I was constantly calculating in my mind to extrapolate the remaining range from % battery use. Also, the speedo was way off by 10% (the max allowed). So, 90 km/h was more like 81. That also makes the range longer because you're just driving slower.
Yes - something interesting I just noticed in my 2012 (and will test in my 2016): I set cruise at 60mph. I then reset the "Average Speed" measurement on the dash, and watched as it read 58.9mph. The speedo never deviated from 60. I know they usually tune the real speed to be a hair under the speedo here in the US, but I wonder if they also do that so you feel like you're going faster but you're actually driving a bit more efficiently.
Im looking forward to you testing the solution Nissan gave for RapidGate. Lets see what you find out and if It is a software or hardware update.
I drove from Stavanger to Strömstad in two days last week in the new leaf, got the car december 21st. I met on this same problem as you got with the fast charging when I came to the third charge of the day. The main problem was that the battery didn't cool down at all as long as I drove faster than 80km/h on the speedometer. It was like -7 to -10 degree C in eastern Norway and 7 degree C in western Norway, and I saw a huge drop in range when I came to the eastern part of Norway. The trip was about 1200km, and I fast charged in total 8 times and 1 time at normal type 2 (over night). When the battery wasn't at a high temperature I got 43-47kW charge speed, but when I had a warm battery it started at like 32kW and dropped to 26kW after 10 minutes and kept it steady at 25-26kW. I charged up to 80-90% every time I stopped, and I was lucky to get to the charge points at about 10-15% soc every time. For information: I hammered it up to 140km/h in Sweden for like 15 seconds, and I saw the battery temperature went sky high.
How is it this 40kwh leaf for 350-500km range driving once in three months? It's hard to make a decision right now - the Ioniq 28kwh is almost at the same price used, but imo it is not as cool as Leaf and has less range (I understand that fast charging is usually more important for long distance driving, but here in Latvia we have very few 75 kw chargers, most of them are 50 kWh). I like this Leaf, but I'm afraid of battery life and heating
Not bad. Many owners in Holland are mentioning only 146 at 4c and 115/hr. I think you need to stay below 100 to get some decent range out of it.
Hi Bjorn, I recently did this test in the UK from 100% SOC all the way to 1% with - - - showing as available range on the GOM; I managed 109 miles with ProPilot set at 60mph for about the first 70 miles then 70mph for about 30miles. Leaf spy reported that the battery still had 3.6kWk remaining or 9.6% and that the car could travel another 7.5 miles to VLBW. I had the heater and A/C at 22`C in manual mode( i find that the Auto mode does not keep the car warm enough, though it could be that i'm not setting it up correctly). So, according to my test the max range in Winter is 115 miles/ 185 kilometers I was of course driving about 5mph/8 kmh more on averave than in your test. Hower I would never go beyond 110 miles in this new Leaf in Winter, because range seems to fall off a cliff at below 10% indicated SOC on the dash. By the way, the outside temperature was about 6`C. Oh, and my leaf was delivered on the 21st of September 2018 and I have never suffered rapid gate.
@@be236 Hi, My 40Kwh Leaf is my first EV so I couldn't comment on how much range you could get in Winter. Most estimates indicate 30% less available range, so I would say about 70 miles is all you woulld get. This is only a gestimate based on what I've heard others report.
The maximum I squeezed out at 4°C on the highway was 220km. But the half way the heater was turned off. And I used some busses as wind shield. The navigation system always told me that I doesn't reach my Destination point. *scarry* - - it was wrong :-)
Hi David. Thanks for the details - interesting. Just yesterday I travelled down from Manchester at 7C and made a safe stop after 120 miles with 20 left on the GOM. It was 60-62mph the whole way except in the 50mph speed restrictions. I suspect you may have had a head wind? Also 70mph really does punish the range. 36% more power needed for only a 17% increase in speed over 60mph.
@@jeremy1548 you are right Jeremy; 70 mph does punish range. I also forgot to Mention, I never ever drive the Leaf in Eco mode... I find it infuriatingly slow for my Kind of driving.
Thank you Bjørn for an other informativ video.
But when are wou going to test the Nissan E-NV200 Evalia 40KVH version?
You said you did in an earlyer video where you drove an E-NV200.
Don´remember if it was in your Oslo-Tromsø video ore where you tested the E-NV200 evalia on Teneriffe.
I might test it later. Here is some info about it: ruclips.net/video/9c5LykE4J28/видео.html
Hope the next Leaf finally uses the Zoe 22kw AC fast charger, we have so many AC chargers around my country and many are free, but current Leaf top out at 3.6kw for many Japanese Leaf and not much better 6.6kw on newer Leaf, which is painfully slow if parking at a shopping mall and only getting that charge amount while shopping for an hour or two.
If you have time please repeat starting with cold battery? It would be interesting to know the difference.
I had an 'older' Leaf (March 2018) and did get a software update last summer. I noted the second Fastcharge (in summer) to be more quick than before the update (I managed to charge 20 kWh in half an hour, or 40 kW from 13% tot 68% SOC), but it also heated up the battery up to and including the first red square. This limited the available power to the engine to 80% (no turtle or other indication). During the next hour (down to 28% SOC) the battery did not cool at all (still one red square). My third Fastcharge (yes, with the updated software) of the day was somewhat disappointing (19 kW to start with); I gave up and drove back home.
The only advantage I noted was a faster second Fastcharge. All this was in summer on a warm (27 C) day.
I wonder what this will be like in winter; the cooling capacity of the battery pack will be a lot better; temperature difference of additional 30 degrees wil most likely double the cooling effect of the battery pack?
I do not know if the update is the same as seems to be the 'standard' in 'newer' Leafs.
Your videos provide an insane amount of information and put all traditional automotive jounalists to shame.
Software programmer deal with numbers.
Good video, and yes max range with ioniq in simular conditions is 175 km (wet road 0 degreeds with wet snow falling) at 100 km/h. Still not bad for only 28 kW ...... :-)
+Dennis Anema *kWh
Why Leaf2 is so much less efficient compared to Ioniq? I don't get this.
@@kreandi Different body style and the new nissan ariya will be worse in that regard.... lol
I'd love a short tips video about distance traveling in short range cars. I have an EV with a small battery range and no fast charge option. I'm watching your videos to try to get an idea of how tackle a 200 mile road trip.
Which car?
Björn, please try to find out if we who have "older" 40 kWh models can get that Rapigate update you are talking about. It would seem very strange if it is a hardware fix. But if so then Nissan must do that fix for all Leaf owners free if charge.
A owner i Denmark had his Leaf "upgraded", so it is possible. This owner had repeatedly been complaining, so they called back his car. As thi is not a safety issue, I do not think they call back every car. Each owner should request i think.
@@tucsonor Ok, thank you for your information. I will call NIssan and see what they say. Sad though that this is not a general fix. Maybe they do it for the first service. Guess they are embarrassed about it and it is nothing they want to talk about.
@@JohanDams Or most buyers do not care about rapidgate as only those that are using their Leaf for regular 500km trips or longer will be bothered by the slow third rapid charging.
@@gregandkaruna6674 I agree, but on a hot summer day it might even be the first or second charge. So if they have changed some parameters for BMS then everbody should get it.
Interesting that the battery temperature did not drop at all while driving. I think i’m going to try the same test but with a cold battery.. :)
What is the brand and model of the OBD2 you use this test.?
Thank you for the useful information. It would be interesting also to make an other test in the future after 200 000 km with the same model.
The range seems good in the first 2-3 years. Afterwards we have to count with reduction of the batteries efficiency (after 50-60 000 km) and the range will fall drastic. As I experienced, about 65% is the percent that means half range. If I always charge the car up to 100% it isn't useful for the battery.
Engineers at Tesla says that we should keep the battery between 20-70% - this is the best for the battery, but it means only 50% exploitage. But in this case we should have a car with 100-120kW battery, and than it remains 50-60 kW to use if I want to protect the battery. And after 8-10 years will remain 30-40% to use (if I don't want to charge up the battery fully). And perhaps man will not exchange so expensive car that have 100 kW battery before 8-10 years.
The Nissan Leaf uses a NMC532 chemistry. You can charge it to 100% 4 or 5 thousand times. Just don't let it sit at 100% for extended periods. Its a million mile formula of you take proper care.
A Japanese YTer has documented the capacity loss of his ZE1.
He is now at 280.000km and has lost 20%.
I watched a video recently about a Model 3 with 270.000km on the clock. 16% loss of capacity.
The count on Leafspy is to Very Low Battery Warning so that's why it reports lower km than the GOM. I don't own an EV but it seems more realistic that you would stop there anyway though because you don't want to kill the battery.
200km is exactly how far my cottage is from my house. So that being the range of some of these EVs ranges me out of the market as the charger network here in Canada is terrible unless you're near Toronto. Going north it gets sparse and on the way to my cottage, the most direct popular highway, there are literally no chargers at all.
So I'd have to go out of my way and add probably an hour of just driving, not charging, to actually get to my cottage... but that was winter range so... maybe.
Please could you do a series of Winter Range Tests on all EV's? All EV manufacturers are guilty of only giving a calculated summer range which for myself is pointless. I live in the North of Scotland and my winter temperatures range from about -2 to 9 deg and summer temperatures range from about 11 to 21 deg. I drive a model S 75D and my winter range is around 120 miles from 80% to 10% battery - my summer range is around 200 miles from 80% to 10%. The best I get is around 250 miles from a full battery to very low. By the way your tests are much more accurate and informative than manufacturers estimates.
I've done quite some tests already. Just check my channel.
Hei Bjørn, ser etter el bil til konen. Kan du anbefale Nissan leaf 40kw eller Hyundai Ionic. Hvilke er best, budsjett på mellom 150 000 - 250 000. Takker😀
Hello Bjørn. Love your videos - much appreciated. But I think your assumption at 16:15 [I’m not sure how relevant it is (120km/h test) - … most Leaf drivers … they don’t drive to fast anyway] is a little bit off. I’m not sure how many current Leaf owners need the test anyway - I think it is most interesting for people who currently drive ICE cars (or want to switch from other EVs). I think most ICE drivers don’t want to change their driver habits that much. So, tests with 120km/h and even more are very important. And yes - I must second your decision to NOT make the test under these conditions.
"Look at this fog, it is *SO T H I C C* !" :D
What is summer range traveling 115-120km/h speed with a/c on?
Without Leaf Spy does it have a way to see SOH like the 1st gen did with the 12 bars?
Little tip for leaf owners: fast charge from 15-20% only op to 55% to 66%. It will give you best speed and less overheat for longer trip btw 200km to 400km. Using that methode make sure you dont wait more then you need( about less then10 to 15mintues). I never get less than 42kw, (it is costefficient because 10$/h)and more cars can use the charger per hours. For those who think they need more range, Are you a semi-truck driver with a 40 gallons bladder?LOL! Or why would you want to go to Amos? Just take the plane!
Note: average SAT -10*C in Québec. traffic speed, mostly highway at 100km/h indicated speed, studed winter tire, 19kwh/100km, cabin temp at 20*C.No range anxiety.
merci de laisser plein de commentaires de rageux!XD
+Sébastien Caron Boisvert Correction:
42 kW (not 42kw/h)
19 kWh/100 km (not 19kw/h-100km)
I love green leaf
Leaf 1 is charge to 97'7 (LeafSpy)
On car display is 100 %
Good info! just what I need when deciding on Ioniq or Leaf. Less important, but still interesting, I wonder how much "hypermiling tactics" could increase the range. Such as drafting behind a large truck or bus (how dangerously close would I need to be? I once asked a physics professor this but I think I annoyed him since he walked away), adjusting the speed to the terrain and go for example 10 km/h faster downhill and 10 km/h slower uphill so the average speed would stay the same, if that works at all for EVs (bicyclists save energy this way), preheating the car in a garage and so on.
That is what I do with a 2020 Bolt and it gives at least 20% more range.
@@daviddrake6875 All fun and games till a rock chips your car window.
Hi. My Leaf 1 Has the same problem. Car charge speed is limited by Heather :( and you can't use also timer to heat car when use chademo :( Nissana should fix this. B.r. from Poland
Please get the Plug for Tesla(spy).
We need to monitor Optimus.. :D
You would think Nissan would have a range left meter that just showed the real range not a guessed one? I know that the Guess is meant to help for what speeds you drive etc. But really just a correct up to date range as it is, make better sense! And also a buffer limit of the total of charged range say of 30% left so when you drive a long route and get to that limit set on the range you get a voice warning to recharge now? then after that if you don't charge say when it gets down to 20% it gives you a voice warning again with display flashing a warning to charge now. Just so people don't run out of charge and get stuck.
WOW
Hei Bjørn, is the noise of the ac/heater on 1:31 normal? It bothers me on my 2months old 2018 leaf everytime I turn on the heater :(
+colonel carrillo Apparently so
How do you get dashboard to show current charging speed? I have the same Leaf and it won't show cahrging speed when connected
Hi I Hope you can help me out to deside wich car to go for..🙂
We are Chosing betwin Renault ZOE zen 52kwh 2020 or Nissan Leaf Acenta 40kwh 2020.
We are mostley going to use it for comute betwin work and Home and going shoping and we have Good charging options.
We are a family on 4 People and a dog..🙂
We also have a Renault Talisman diesel car for longer trips.
Maybe we start using the electric car more becouse it cheaper to drive..🙂
The price diffrence is not much betwin them so no woryes there im going to lease it.
Hope you can help me out to deside wich car to go for im 1.86cm tall.
Best regards
do someone know if fast charging is good of rot for the battery ?
GREAT NISSAN.
which is the meaning of the GIDs value ? thanks
Er ikke batteri range måleren bare ett gjettometer? *isn't the battery range meter just a guess o meter
What 90km/h in negative degrees and the battery already overheats! What engineer designed this
Are these even worth getting considering their cost? I'd rather get a Chevy Volt premier for what the Leaf costs, or just wait another year or two and pick up a Bolt.
TEsla never explained why their cars catch fire??? I am sure the technology in Tesla a pretty advanced but the lack of explanation of the fire events have been always a big concern to me
Bitte schön!
Please help me understand - there was a large "B" in the center of your display. On our 2017 Leaf, that would mean you were in "B" mode with regenerative braking forced on, used for coming to a stop or going downhill. You can drive with "B" mode on but it will reduce your range and cook your battery, since the regen heats up the battery. What did the "B" indicate in the 2018 Leaf?
Same there. But B won't cook your battery or reduce range if used correctly.
@@bjornnyland Thanks. Always enjoy your videos. Would be interesting to see same test using "D" instead of "B". I was shocked at how much heat regen could add - drove 90 min. with elevation decrease of 2,400m after DCFC; great range but battery was hotter than when I started.
Just bought a 2019 leaf, we dont do long trips very often and very rarely do we do more than one rapid in a day and rapid gate is less of an issue since the firmware update. but even then its good practise to keep the temperature down.
so in your experience what is the best way to charge when travelling long distance?
for instance. next month im doing a trip from bournemouth to stoke on trent in the uk. its 205 miles, i could easily do it in one stop charging at 107 miles from 16 to 87% for 37 mins. or I could charge at 80 miles for 14 mins and again 50 miles later for 23 mins which is a total of 33 mins charging which on paper looks quicker but by the time you have come off the motorway and plugged in and got the chargers going probably is naff all in it.
which causes more heat build up? one long charge or 2 shorter ones?
thanks!
What range olny in City?
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what about old Leaf's , are they dead already and you do not want to test them any more. It may be interesting to see how far new cars are ahead of old cars
When you will test the B250e?
Don’t need its shit 😄
I'm suspicious of the "rapidgate" fix. If I understand it correctly, it is merely a change in throttling, not improved cooling. So it's possible that the "fix" will come at the cost of battery degradation.
That's exactly what it will be - I expect. They can't fix the battery heating issue without a redesign and integration of cooling fins at the least. What it means is that they may have been able to beat up their now-not-nissan battery supplier to continue to honour the warranty without such aggressive battery charge throttling which for drivers in moderate climates who maybe use their leaf for long journeys a handful of times a year will be fine.
Or they have changed it to the same as the new 2019 setup still passive cooled but improved the way it is cooled.
I received my 2018 leaf 3 weeks ago yesterday hammered it with two rapid charges the first was 38kw the 2nd was 30kw. I’m not overly disappointed with that tbh
Phil Gray do you know the build date?
padraig cullinane i know it was was given it’s VIN/Chassis number mid sept and completed beginning of nov
did a similar test on 06.12.18. 6 °C outside temperatur.
Distance: 244,8 km
Start with 90,2 % SOC 35 kWh
Finish with 2,2 % SOC 0,9 kWh
13,8 kWh/100 km
My test: ruclips.net/video/x_yj1KYVUBU/видео.html
I got around the same range 122 miles with nearly 26,000 miles recorded and with goodyear ultra grip performance gen 1s and heating on 90% of the working day not on my own ;) three two and single passengers and luggage
Mhh I think you can't compare this run with the red ioniq run. That run had a lot more wind and it was also much colder (-8 to -10). What might be the extra loss of the wind and temperature? About 20-30 km's? Or even more?
@@richard--s its always less efficient to drive with wind compared to no wind. You have less benefit from the tailwind to undo the headwind.
+TStefanovic45 I had another run with Ioniq where I drove slower and saved energy by having it colder in the cabin. Then I managed 200 km. Based on this, I claim that Leaf has better range than Ioniq.
You should watch this video (ruclips.net/video/mFj7MPfDnRc/видео.html). The driving conditions in the Ioniq test was actually *better*. It was -2° ~ -4°C back then. But it was sunny and that helped on the heating. And the road was damped and partly dry whereas the Leaf had weat and salty roads with fog and light rain. If I ran Leaf during that nice day, we might have seen 210-220 km range.
How do you get to try so many different cars? Do you hire them?
I'd imagine that BN has built up an impressive network of contacts by now.
+Francesco Malatesta I get to borrow them because I'm a ninja!
Brilliant!
@@bjornnyland But not of the Mutant Turtle variety. 🐢😋
Same range you got on Ioniq eco run so may as well not bother lugging about an extra 12kWh of battery
Ioniq has lower range.
Yeah understand that but dropping 10 km/h to get same range with less kWh makes more sense
Hey
I see that the car displays a soc at 8% but spyleaf shows 18%, is it normal ?
It bothers me that the consumption of the car doesn't match the percentage drop.
In my case at 0,18kWh/km from 90 to 15% I should be able to drive for ~170km but it is less than 140km actually.
Does every ev vehicles have this annoying "feature" ?
I remember seeing your video a few months ago about this "issue" and wonder if it was still safe for the battery to go down to 10% instead of 20% if needed.
Does anyone know how many kWh are remaining when leaf 40 goes into turtle mode? How many are remaining when car shuts down ?
The batteries actually have heaters that keep them from freezing. The heater will kick on at 0° temperature. I'm wondering how much amperage the heaters draw. If you just let the car sit out in the cold, it will literally drain the battery.
Kicks in at -17 celsius it says in the manual
@@jacobnoren316 Something ain't right.
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The best thing about Leaf is internal space ( MPV ), only Tesla X and e-nv200 are more spatious ( probably E-tron )... Tesla S and Ioniq come really close, but only if you are 180cm or shorter... Model 3 is real waste of external space :-)
+Daniel Straka incorrect
Isn't it a (very) bad idea to charge up Lithiums to 100%? My understanding of the chemistry is that "100%" actually varies depending on conditions including temperature - I might be wrong though!
+Andrew Wade Yes. But this was a test.
"Fixed rapidgate"? Do they have active cooling now, or do they now just overheat the battery and don't care anymore?
Yes
Why not using 17.8 KWh/100 Km?
Looks more natural.
Or totally stick to universal units
0.178 Wh/m. Thanks for the test.
Because no one counts distance in 100 km. You don't say that it's 5.29 units of 100 km from Oslo to Stockholm. If you actually did that, then 17.8 kWh/100 km would make sense if you wanted to calculate it. We use km as a common distance between cities or what the car would usually use in the navigation.
@@bjornnyland note that the kona shows KWh/100Km. We are used in Belgium for petrol to use 5L/100Km
Leaf is more like a commuting car then it seems, home-work, work-home. Not a travelling car for driving to holiday destinations, e.g. 600-1000 km per day.
You can do about 400-600 km in one day in a Leaf.
I'm just not into no battery management on the Leaf
Why are you driveing in Bmode? is it better than D?
It allows stronger regen.
Not sure how it's any better to look at Leaf spy considering you're using pre-defined consumption figures, which... are never the same during driving with hills etc... And on the Ioniq front, I wonder how far that car could go if they fitted it with a 40kw hour battery. Whilst the Leaf can go further once, the Ioniq will win on a longer trip as will take much less time to charge - that is my guess anyway...
After 26 km, GoM estimated that I could drive another 195 km. That's total of 220 km which is not realistic. Whereas LeafSpy estimates I can drive another 154 km which equals to 180 km total with 5 % left. That means if we charged to 100 % and drove it down to almost 0, 200 km would be possible. GoM would estimate some 230 km which is way too high.
Does cruise control not affect efficiency?
Not on these roads.
So bad, Nissan could take some heat from the battery to heat up the car inside. Instead they use more energy from the battery for the PTC or heatpump. Not very efficient.
Waiting for the 2022 video ….
Heat pumps generally won't work below about 40 degrees Farenheit.
this isn't really a winter range at -2.5C, a winter range will be at -18C, -20C imo, i had a nissan leaf 1.0, at -17c the battery heater will come on too.
+George Daniel Are you a Canadian?
@@bjornnyland yes, i live in Canada, Montreal, my leaf had 11 bars of 12, 84% soh, in the winter at -25C it had a range of 65 km with the heat at 18C and alternating between on and off. I would like to see the leaf 2.0 at -25C what's the real life range, maybe this winter you could do a test if you have the chance because Norway has the same winters as Canada's. Thanks :)
the last 5% is better too use slow charger
-2 is too warm winter. What about -25...-30? :)
Thank you, golf stream! :)
+Anthony Are you Canadian?
@@bjornnyland No, I'm from Russia, Siberia and it is -35 outside. :) Now I notice more and more Leafs on the roads, but I cannot understand why people buy them here. There is no charging infrastructure here (2 charging stations around the city) and if you want to use the electric car you have to live in your own house, but this is not very common for my location. The number of electric cars here is terrible, there are less than 100 Leafs, less than 10 Tesla S and the only one Tesla X. They are not affordable and useless here. Anyway, thank you for the great videos, I really enjoy them.
@@bjornnyland Hi Bjorn, I from Quebec Canada. With my leaf 2019 with -15C and front wind I could say that I loosing nearly 35-40% of the capacity of the battery. (near 100 km of the 240km when is over 10 celcius). What I see is loosing 10% each minus 10C starting at 15 Celcius in average.
Very nice video. Im thinking of buying a Nissan Leaf but im a bit concerned about range in the winter. I have a total of 140km drive to and from work 80% highway. In sweden where i live we get maybe a few days of minus 20 degrees celsius winter. I dont know if a 40kwh will do or i need to get a 62kwh, then the price will go up prretty much, i guess the 40kwh will do it in the warmer months no problem? We have a petrol car also, the days when temperature goes down to minus 20 degrees i could use the petrol one?
Anyone else drives a total of 140km to work?
Rapidgate at -2 C and 90km/h due to high battery temp? Not good.
+Ryen 90 km/h, not 60 km/h.
@@bjornnyland sorry, fixed!
@@ryen7512 rapid gate is when an EV can't charge fast?
@@valentincolteanu3403 yes, essentially.
> rapid gate is when an EV can't charge fast?
Nissan thought it would be a genius idea to have an electric car without proper battery cooling. Rapid charging heats up the battery. Hot batteries are bad, as this degrades them. So without cooling, rapid charging has to be slowed down significantly to not overheat the battery. This is what happens to the Nissan Leaf. This was then called "Rapidgate".
As most people will always leave some contingency, like yourself going to 8%, that's 168km/104 mile range for a very expensive car.
Is it good value? I think not
Agreed, no idea why Nissan didn't come up with a 60+ kwh car for this price... The price is too steep if you ask me, several good cars to pick from (if available in your country) for this sum of $$$.
The price is that high for many reason´s I think. First, there are not many competitors today, only a hand full. Second they sell not that much as a conventional car. But the Leaf is one of the lower priced cars compared to a Golf or something.
The leaf performs better than the 39 Kona at a similar price point. It’s a larger vehicle. The 39 Kona is no more efficient per 100km and has its own charging issues. Also no diagnostic tool available for the Kona either. You’re just on here to bash the leaf without any relevant info except your personal option on the cars value. Bjorn has clearly proved here in the video that the leaf is quiet good even in winter driving conditions.
Well you're based in the UK. I've no idea what the pricing is like in other markets but last time checked recently the list price for the 40kWh leaf was £1000 cheaper than the 39kWh premium Kona trim for similar spec in the UK. Also we we were lucky enough to get in early when the price was £1000 cheaper and the dealer gave us a further £1850 discount. I think that kind of haggling might be tricky with a just released model like the Kona (which by the way I think seems very impressive - just wish it had a bigger boot!)
@@jeremy1548 And the Leaf is MADE IN UK!!! For me this also would be a pro to buy this car.
So what i learned from this vid is that the the Leaf dashboard lies to you haha
+pebre79 That's right.
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Rapid gate , less efficient , charging above 80% its pure waste of time, No thanks i will stick with Ioniq!
Rapidgate @-2 ? What the Heck? .... Wrack that piece of crapy car.