Why I make fun of metal fans...
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Real talk about why I make fun of metal fans... The answer is NOT what you probably think. Here's why I know from personal experience that metal fans need to change.
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Yes! If you like Blink182, i hate you. (jk)LOL, I love music of all types.
*caughs* Poser !!
Thanks for the educational experience
Those who live in pop-punk houses shouldn't throw stones
That Incel TV video where he made fun of you and your gf (and your hat) was awesome tbh
Lmao you want people to PAY YOU for this? Looked at your shitty hoodies and was wondering how you had the balls to make fun of anything at all lol
While we’re all very excited for Finn to be a dad, let’s not forget that he’s been our dad this whole time.
Disown him on principle, even if the paternity test checks out.
Wait until metalheads find out you don’t have to dress a certain way to listen to a certain type of music. Brains exploding
:o no waay
True, but I've found (some) punks to be more annoying. Except for loudwire, the metal community doesn't tell you that you have to be of a certain political persuasion to be in their scene. Many punks (again not all) go there. And I love both genres of music. I just don't want to be told that if I don't vote for everyone that the gatekeepers approve of, I'm not welcome. Absolute McCarthyism from folks who claim to be anarchists 🙄
Oh shit, you don't?
"yes you do poser! Go listen to Justin Bieber"
You can look however you want and listen to metal. I make beats, and I've even sold a small handful of beats to young rappers, and I'm whiter than a fuckin marshmallow, and I actually DO have a metal mane, but I'm NOT a metal head. So I guess what I'm saying is no one gives a shit especially me.
I was in a terrible relationship with a very good person once. We should have never gotten together, but for some reason she did. Back then, I was definitely the know-it-all. Correcting everyone, everywhere we went.
We broke up, but remained friends. After a while, she sat me down and said, "We need to talk. Well... I'm going to talk. You need to listen. My friends--all of them--dislike you. Sometimes, I dislike you. You're loud and you think everything you say is correct, funny, witty and you're always proud of your stupid points that no one else cares about. You're a great guy, and you are smart, but no one cares. Because you're obnoxious. And sometimes, that's hard to look past. And for some people, they won't bother trying. You need to change. You're not as great as you think you are."
That wasn't verbatim, but it was pretty much the sum and tone of what she said.
Shortly after she told me off, we broke contact and I never talked to her again. Not because I didn't want to. Because she didn't.
I moved to a different state. I did this to get away from my problems. Lo and behold, they followed me. Why? Because I was the problem. Her words chipped away at me every time one of the problems I ran away from popped back up. Eventually, I realized everything she had said was right. I decided to become a more mindful person and be more respectful of other people in the room.
That was 24 years ago. What she told me that day, I needed to hear. I wouldn't be the person I am today if she hadn't said it. I'm glad she did. I wish I could thank her.
Man I can relate to all of this so hard. It’s not fun to hear but sometimes we need it.
Man, that sure sounds familiar. Good share.
Similar situation. I started to read Carl Jung and had epiphany “a haa i was so stupid” moment.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Is that like a trend that people that are into alternative music tend to be obnoxious know-it-alls? I struggled with that as an edgy teenager, even though I was lucky to throw myself into a situation/lifestyle that forced me to change once I started college.
@@petrinafilip96 yhhh same thing with classic rock fans, emo's, scene kids, indie fans, half the time alternative fans just get really pretentious about everything
As someone with autism, it's really bad how many people don't have social skills or emotional intelligence. So many people just want to feed their ego. Whether online or irl, it's depressingly common how many people want to be toxic, and then flip out when you call them out on it.
Being only into one genre would get so exhausting for me, im actually happy when i get into a genre i wasnt into cause now i can deep dive that genre also!
I don’t understand how people only listen to one genre. I’ll keep my playlists with Darko, Olivia Rodrigo, and Childish Gambino thank you very much
@@phaaaze9984 I don’t listen to just one genre, but I find it very strange that people can listen to most music. I find that very strange.
I find it bizarre someone can listen to Slipknot or Lamb Of God and then listen to Cardi B or Katy Perry. That’s very bizarre to me
I do branch out and listen to stuff like Trip Hop/Downtempo, Goa Trance, Symphonic Metal, and some 90’s Hip Hop, as well as my favourite genres like Nu-Metal/Rap Metal and Grunge/Alternative Metal. But that’s mostly it apart from something like tATu, and the odd Eurodance stuff.
I can go from listening to Limp Bizkit to Within Temptation to tATu to DMX to Alice In Chains to Dido. But I don’t think that’s too drastic.
How some people can go from something like Slipknot to something like Justin Bieber is fucking bizarre to me.
Yeah, It's absolutely mind-blowing to me how some people only listen to one specific genre or specific subgenre of any music.
It would get so boring.
Depends on how you define genre. Metal in 2023 consists of so many subgenres that, if you just want to explore them all, you basically have no time to listen to anything else. Then of course there's rock music in general just around in the neighborhood. And there's even crossovers into Jazz, Classic, Rap and even Pop music, and most of it much better done than what people in the mainstream listen to these days. Because that's the problem here basically. back in the 80's, there were David Bowie, Queen, Michael Jackson, Depeche Mode and a whole lot of other great artists in the pop genre. A bit later on, there were all the great old school rappers you even could enjoy when you generally listened to other genres.
Today, just looking at the Billboard charts, you have Taylor Swift, Sam Smith, David Guetta and The Weeknd. Thanks, but no thanks.
As someone who listens to anything I do say it can be a chore
I think the takeaway is not to be too obsessed with any one thing whether that’s metal, smoking pot, anime, video games etc. Liking any of these things is fine. It’s when you take that one thing and base your entire personality around it. It makes a person insufferable and possibly more likely to be offended when someone doesn’t like what they like because they take it as a personal rejection when it’s not that serious.
Exactly
I love metal music... with that being said im beyond thankful that I was raised to be completely open minded to all music... my grandpa was in a local jaz band in Dayton my whole childhood, and when I got old enough I started playing bass and he told me that all music whether you're a listener or a creator is based off your own feelings and emotions, and even if I don't understand some of it, I have a deep respect for all music because of it
Unless if it’s cardi b
@@LosHitman I don't disagree 😅🤣
I was diagnosed autistic in middle school. Now at 25 I am really looking back at how I’ve acted my whole life and I was very much like this. Glad I’ve started trying to change, but I’ve got a long way to go.
I was 19 or 20 and there was a cute older girl in my group of work friends, occasionally we'd all go out and grab lunch at the bar next to our office. She got married young and was going through a divorce. We had talked about music here and there, she said she liked rock and metal. One day our department was let out early and she invited me to her place because she "wanted to check out my music collection." My clueless ass proceeded to actually show her the music I was into for a little over an hour before she had to go pick up her kids. Only looking back years later did I realize that she didn't actually give a shit about the music and I was the most oblivious fucking dork on the planet. Being a metal head should count as a psychiatric disorder.
😂😂😂
woah i'm glad you can attract women
@@coryleblanc me too
ive had a similar experience. happens to the best of us lmao
@@GordonSlamsay it happens to attractive guys who dont have to put in any effort to pull bitches
I learned this lesson a long time ago and far too late. I've have irreparably damaged many relationships because of it and it sucks. Realizing you're the problem when someone stops talking and wanting to hang out, is one of the worst feelings i've ever had.
15:48 A mom of a friend of mine told me a way to have conversations when she was in an office job was to pick a team from major sports leagues and keep up with the games. I took that advice and that has helped me become less ostracized at my new job. I also found out a new favorite sport to watch in the process.
Even if you arent necessarily into something, being able to talk to whoever about whatever they are into is an extremely valuable life skill. People just like to be heard and understood.
This applies to so many little niche fandoms. Couple of other subreddits that I follow are brutal because there such a high amount of ‘well askshually’ people. Especially when its not even facts like ‘this album came out in 1997’. But its subjective shit where the gatekeepers are not only correcting people but they arent even correcting facts, just assumptions.
Being the 39 year old black guy that was introduced to metal in high-school, I can honestly say I love the genre...but the fans leave a lot to be desired in my experience. ESPECIALLY online.
The internet brings the worst out of people.
Finn: "I hate being a closed-minded, judgemental know-it-all so much that I turned it into a career."
You know what, maybe I shouldn't have made Discordance Axis my entire personality when I was 15-- woulda been cool having friends lmao.
True masculine friendship consists of roasting your friends regularly
Women when they encounter a friend they haven't seen in a while: how darling you're look so pretty, I missed you.
Thinks: this stupid bitch got fat lmao.
Men when they encounter a friend they haven't seen in a while: Ayo faggot, where you bought this shirt has it for males?
Thinks: Man, I missed this guy, love him.
There are few other things to say to them other than to roast them.
Too much roasting and the friendship will burn always roast responsibly
Nah... I used to think that way. "They're not your friends if they don't make fun of you."
But I had a friend who would call me 2 names every time we spoke. I realized that must be what he actually thinks of me. My life is better without that toxic person in it. We were friends for 25 years.
I'd tell you the words, but, RUclips censorship algorithm.
I think most of us had the same or similar high school experience as the one you described in this video. 23 y/o college student here... I too didn't want to be friends with anybody who didn't listen to metal, I hated everything that didn't have blast beats and crazy solos when I was 15 - 16, I too thought I was superior to everyone else and looked down upon others... But then I just kinda grew up a little, haha. College opened me up as well... Met lots of different people with different interests and I just grew on my own as well. My social skills improved, I still dress metal from time to time, but I mix that with a classy "normie" look (you don't have to wear Mayhem shirts all the time) and I got into fragrances, so I'm getting compliments on my smell rather than weird looks on my shirts, lol!
So the problem with metal fans is that they stay in the "teen angsty-rebellion" phase for too long... Sometimes they learn from bad experiences or they just stay that way. Everyone needs to figure that out on their own.
Lmfao I'm 23 and big into metal as well as fragrances.
Although I like the really weird stuff so compliments aren't really that common for me lmao
@@digitalcthulhu143 that's sick dude!
Following Finn’s channels I’ve learned to poke fun at myself for certain music tastes but still appreciate it and also got into more punk and hardcore because of him. It’s okay to be into different music but it doesn’t make you better or worse than anyone else either. It’s also okay to like a genre of music and not every artist pertaining to that genre
Rick Beato may be the internet's ambassador for all things music theory and composition but you sir are single handedly cleaning the virgin energy out of heavy music one therapy session at a time.
Let's get this comment pinned 😎
I’m 31 and this channel helped me realize how much I have embodied the “boomer” model of behavior. It honestly feels like stepping out of a fog. So I try to ask younger people I work with what kind of music they’re into, instead of constantly shitting on it and discouraging them. I appreciate what you do Finn🤙
Seriously, this isn't a boomer thing at all. Plenty of young people do it and I think it's their lack of experience with social interactions.
The problem of the mindset of metalheads is definitely a thing that happens in real life and not just about music. You put it together really well on this one Finn.
Back when I was in high school and during academy as well, I used to despise other people's music taste and trash it as much as I could. I'm not that person anymore. I changed for the better and to socialize with people in a good way.
Well said. 👏
Your videos have helped me a lot with keeping my annoying tendencies in check and not making the music I listen to my personality. So thank you 🙏
Wuss
This past year was so fucking rough for my family, and because of all the shit we've dealt with I just haven't had the energy to argue over stupid shit or correct every incorrect thing I hear. It's freeing, and it's actually helped me cope/deal with the stress of pain I've dealt with over the past year. It's really eye opening.
This is why I love these live stream videos. They can be both hilarious and serious. I'm not exaggerating when I say this is my favorite content on youtube. You're awesome, Finn! :)
🙏
Absolutely spot on. A bit of tact and diplomacy will take you a long way. As ever Finn, your eloquent words are sound advice. I’m certainly not a know it all and wouldn’t know the luxury of correcting someone if it smacked me in the face! Top work!
in an alternate universe,
Finn had a blog called Pop Punk Inquisition and he got shit by his readers every time he wrote about metal
Your comment about being a know it all really struck home with me. The thing I struggle with is the difference between voicing your opinion often and being perceived as the know it all vs being silent and letting possibly bad decisions be made with no thought of other options.
I really appreciate this video Finn, especially the comments about always being right. It’s a bad habit I have and I know it annoys people around me but I just have to work on breaking it and keeping my mouth shut when the comments aren’t necessary. Nobody likes a know-it-all!
it took me almost 30 years to cut it out but i eventually did. it took someone straight up telling me to my face that I had a bad personality, which hurt at the time, but honestly i should thank them. ill never forget it
lamb of god sucks
i did that to someone once, told him that his way of interacting with people is just shit. I dunno if it helped any havent talked to him since, but he needed to hear it.
Sound advice, man. I had a similar light bulb turning on experience early on in college that I’ll never forget. My social skills going into college were probably about a 0. I’m at work, and I’m dissing something or somebody…can’t even remember what it was because that was all I did back then. And my coworker, laughing, commented that I “don’t talk unless I have something to criticize”. And while my criticisms were objectively hilarious, that comment hit hard, because I was like “do I really want this to be my whole identity”? Today, I’d rate my social skills as a solid 3.5/10 & I actually have a career in managing people. I only like gateway metal though, so that’s probably as important to this as anything.
I've learned from personal experience that making fun of something that has meaning to others, even though you have good or lighthearted intentions about it and just mean for it to be in the spirit of "good fun" is just not worth the negativity that the other person or people may feel as a result of the attempted humor. Humor ideally shouldn't have that effect, but I get that many of us feel like it can or should because of what we're exposed to from society. In reality, when we use humor like that, it's often a result of us feeling jaded in some way. I've learned to put a lot more stock in the idea of "if you have nothing nice to say, then just keep it to yourself" when it comes to humor, because at the end of the day I want to use humor to make people laugh and not make people potentially upset.
Yep! That’s why now I focus on validating my audience’s existing opinions. They like that much better.
A few things I want to bring up to add to the conversation. 1) The whole point of being a nerd of anything is that you're there to learn as much as you can about a subject. You immerse yourself in a fandom or subculture because reading books about the topic you're nerding out about isn't enough because someone within the fandom might know something the official publications don't. This is especially true for metal where a lot of the experiences are outside of official releases and publications. 2) The discourse that occurs within the fandom I've noticed has taught people how to be great bs detectors because facts are always getting cross referenced between people so often that someone bsing stand out like a sore thumb, and in seeing that bsing person they can start associating common behaviors they see in these bsers outside of the subculture. 3) Idk why exactly but personally I see loyalty to bands and subgenres not as limiting but endearing as it's rare to see unconditional love for anything anymore that isn't pet or politics related. Yeah yeah I know the merits of judging music should only be if they sound good to the listener. But still there is this need in human nature that wants to be loyal to something and here you are saying no that's bad for you. 4) And outside of maybe 5 or 6 people all the metal fans I know love other genres of music and will respect someone else's differing opinions on music.
Okay but you can still make friends with people bc of music taste and there's nothing wrong with that. I think you can have different friends in different categories. Some friends to talk about movies some talk about music some talk about boring adult life. It's okay to nerd out sometimes with other nerds.
This right here says it all. Sometimes metalheads can be very cool people and other times they can be the most toxic people out there. That goes for pretty much every form of art. Since I loved metal as a teen, I've always had those moments where I felt I was better or cooler than somebody else just because I listened to metal.
When I was still in high school, it felt like most kids only listened to either mainstream hip hop or pop and that bothered me quite a bit. There were a few kids here and there that did listen to music I was into, but those people were very few and far between hence why I barely had any friends. I had a couple of classes that allowed us to play music on a speaker towards the end of the day. So whenever I had the chance, I would put on a band that no one else in the class heard of hoping that somebody would want to check them out. This, of course, never really happened. To be fair, I was never super elitist about metal and knew to appreciate other genres of music, but I would definitely have those moments where I wanted other kids to "expand their musical horizons" when in reality, they just have a preference for a certain genre.
Nowadays, it still baffles me that so many metalheads will bitch and whine about anything that isn't metal. It's probably why there's still quite a few people in other music genres that choose to avoid metal because of how toxic the community can get.
For example, there's this one user (who I will not name) that hides in the comments of Nik Nocturnal's videos constantly replying to anybody who talks about metalcore about how "not metal" the subgenre is. They claim that music isn't subjective and will consistently bash any new metal song that Nik reacts to, since this person is convinced that metal died in 1993. They also go on about how Nik was never into metal at all just because he mainly talks about metalcore and will always name off a bunch of thrash or death metal bands that no one has ever heard to "prove how smart they are" about the genre as a whole. Does this guy sound like a troll? Yeah probably, but it's just amazing how someone like that user will waste their entire day trying to prove how much of a "real metalhead" they are instead of... I don't know. Creating their own music for people to listen to since they "know SO much about metal?"
TL;DR: At the end of the day, listen to whatever type of metal you like and don't go harassing others about how dumb they are for not listening to the same music as you do. Sorry if this got too wordy.
"DeathMachineJoe" That person you mentioned also uses the term Scene Kid (Yes, I use it but mostly at one Pop Punk band who ruined a lot of Gothic and Symphonic Metal getting big in the U.S but there is a point to my opinion) or Scenecore as an insult towards Metalcore and Deathcore
I feel what you’re saying applies to many music nerds who like any niche genre outside of the pop music mainstream in general. I know this as a recovering pedantic music nerd. Like your former employer, I’m very grateful for the friends I’ve had who talked with me and helped me become a better person.
This is such a refreshing take. Framing life through any rigid lens like that will only limit your opportunities for happiness
I totally was that jackass in high school and constantly sought out stuff to just further validate my opinion. As I got older, I grew out of that mindset and stopped caring so much about what others like or dislike. Furthermore, I no longer felt I needed others to validate my opinion or taste in music. If I enjoy it, thats all that matters, and if somebody else dislikes it, thats ok.
Back in high school I used to be metal only, NOTHING else. Then a few years m my later I opened my mind to several different genres. Can’t imagine being like that now days.
I was that asshat at work correcting people myself & it’s cool seeing others recognize it in themselves & work on correcting the mindset
I'm conflicted on where I draw the line between wanting to share interests with someone and not needing to listen to the same music as someone. Friends obviously don't need to have the same music tastes like you said but I still can't get past wanting to share some music tastes with a significant other. Naturally the majority of people aren't going to be listening to Insect Warfare or Sanguisugabogg, but music means a lot to me and it's hard to just not have that immense passion in common with someone, particularly when I don't have much else. Probably a question for a therapist, not the youtube comments section. Regardless, great video! Forcing cute skater girls to listen to Discordance Axis confirms you're a true metal fan
Same dude. I think it’s fine to potentially see that as a plus in partners or in a friend. I think The key is just knowing that it’s not the be all end all, and if you are with people who don’t share that passion you can share it every now and then, but just know when to stop and don’t pester them (and also giving them room to share what they care about in return is huge). 👍🏻
I love grindcore
I stopped identifying as a metal head about a decade ago. I prefer to say I'm a music lover. I still love metal but I found with the assholes online that the bands I liked were never cool/heavy enough and if I did like the same band the songs I liked weren't the right ones. Life has only gone up hill since revoking metal head status
I still majority listen to brutal death, but compared to when i was in high where i used to "hate" anything that wasn't metal, these days I appreciate and even listen to vastly different music. The problem is when people don't grow out of the mindset I had when I was 16
This is BASED. Thank you so so much Finn for pointing this out!! Like with anything, obsession over metal is downright unhealthy. I have definitely used it as a crutch to ignore bigger issues with my relationships and my lust. I'm still struggling with that balance tbh, but that's where good friends (outside the scene) come in. I thank God everyday that there are guys and gals who love me whatever my current fascination is.
Stay centered, fellas.
I went to a Shadow of Intent show here in San Diego a few months ago. Dope show. Dope lineup. Everyone I mingled with and spoke to seemed pretty cool and everyone was just enjoying their time there. A couple of hours into the night by the bar, me and my buddy were talking about the new Lorna Shore album and how much we appreciated it and how far they’ve come since their humble beginnings. All of a sudden, this one guy turns to us and just kinda scoffed at us and goes on to explain how Bone Kingdom is Lorna Shore’s greatest work and almost like being proud of the fact that he discovered that album back in the deathcore MySpace age as if he’s the only one who knows about it or has listened to it and that everyone praising Lorna Shore nowadays is just late to the party and he labeled them as “dick riders” and I couldn’t help but laugh because it’s just that pathetic that this grown man had the audacity to just cut in and act as this self-righteous “I’m a bigger fan because I looked up this obscure album by a band before they were popular” kind of attitude. Basically a metal hipster lol that to me is the most unattractive trait a person can have and not just in music, but in life. It’s ridiculous. It’s like the person that studies Poli-Sci and has this newfound knowledge on politics and wants to discuss it at every outing to try and prove how smart they are at something.
and I would still think he's a poser for liking any deathcore at all. Thats the other issue about being an elitist, always someome who can turn that energy back on you. diff is i wouldnt interrupt someone to tell them that, id just silently mark them always and forever as a poser.
Finn's videos inspire me to be a better person.
I can relate to this video so hard. No idea how many times I've cock blocked myself by playing Dream Theater for a new girl. (BTW guys, if you're gonna play obscure music, have Porcupine Tree playing in the background when she comes over, if she likes the PT then you're in).
Eyyy, thanks for this Finn.
I'm a bit older now, but in my younger days I always thought I was helping by being a know-it-all, by making sure that there was more truth being said than otherwise. And for a majority of things...it doesn't matter. You don't need to be the right one. Who cares? You can let some people be wrong. Unless it will actually impact something meaningfully, in a way that could hurt someone in real life, just keep doing the best job you can.
Sometimes that younger version of me inside bubbles up once in a while and even I have to remind myself of this here and there.
It's a strange irony that the people that make metal music are far more open minded to other genres than the fans of metal
Well that's most musicians regardless of genre. Even baby boomer musicians tend to be more open minded with newer music than non musicians their age.
Grunge was made by a bunch of Kiss stans...did grunge fans love kiss in return? Lol
That’s just musicians
Great musicians can appreciate great musical ideas regardless of genre. I think they just listen differently and hear more, and they also are always looking to borrow/steal clever bits from wherever.
it's not about being open minded, it's about what you like, you can't force yourself to be open minded about crap you don't like.
@@cesarcampos8746 sometimes I like something that I thought I didn't like first but I could almost have dismissed it and never have known
I’m a life long metal fan and love all genres of metal but I also love a ton of other music from country to pop and beyond. Nothing makes me happier than finding new music across any genre. I always say metal is my home but I love “going on vacation” so to speak. For instance I liked a few Punk bands like the Ramones and DK for a long time but recently I’ve been doing a deep dive into punk and hardcore and I am loving it. Good music is good music. Let people enjoy things even if you don’t enjoy it today. Maybe tomorrow you will. My record collection has Slayer and Cannibal Corpse but it also has Duran Duran and the B52s and beyond. I don’t really care if people call me a poser for it I don’t need their validation.
It’s true. I got into heavy music later in high school but never considered myself a “metal head”. I loved hip hop, raggaeton, pop, EDM, nu-metal, pop-punk. The more I started into metal and metalcore the more the fans and people in the scene really turned me off. They try to be smarter than you. I swore I would never be that person. I like all genres. I feel bad for people who stick with just 1 genre whether its metal, hip hop or pop. But to each their own I guess.
lamb of god sucks
Really appreciate you being honest about this. I’ve been listening to metal since 2001 or so, but over the years I’ve slowly stopped talking about metal to others, because there’s almost no value in it. I vividly remember the last time I did; it was circa 2014 and it was with a new guy at work. We were standing by the copier just naming metal bands and just silently judging each other for listening to this band or that band, and I walked away feeling really awful. After that I vowed to never discuss metal with anyone ever again.
Good plan
I really appreciate the videos you've been posting like this, Finn. While I never had a problem with your attitude or behaviours in the past (I actually quite enjoyed the way you poke fun and antagonise those who are easy to antagonise), I can really tell that you're making an effort to be nicer and to explain that you never meant any harm. Honestly, I applaud anyone who is trying to improve themselves and the way they interact with others in society. Well done. I look forwards to the Rick Beato Finn arc
The ironic part is that if you really wanted to turn somebody on to liking a certain band or genre it is much more likely to work if you’re not a complete dbag about it. It’s ok to be you around others but when someone says they aren’t into it just shrug and say ok. Pushing
Your interests on others is how you ensure that person hates that thing forever. Also I can’t imagine only having friends that like the exact same things as me across the board. I used to be that guy and never realized I was that guy. So much time and energy wasted.
This is actually super based....I've literally considered not aligning myself with metal anymore because of these facts!
One of my favourite videos you’ve put out so far. Super helpful to so many people. 🤘🏻
This was really good! I feel you Finn.
Everything you explained is right! You need/want to be the person you want. Not a know it all. enjoy all types of music 😊
The advice your boss gave you was epically priceless. Thanks for sharing
I've been saying this to my daughter for years. She's 11 years old and is not a metal gatekeeper but she is oftentimes a know-it-all. Where the subject matter is different I'm going to show her this video with the cursing and all because I believe you relayed the message perfectly.
Lazy parent smh
Lol
I related to this so much. For so long I only listened to pop punk and post hardcore. It was my comfort music for the longest time. It wasn’t till I was probably mid 20s that I started to get out of my comfort zone and listen to other genres. I was sleeping on so many good bands it’s crazy
where is that picture from ?! 0:02
When I started going out with my now wife the only things that she listened to was the top 40s and Disney soundtracks.
I didn't have anything against those types of music and never forced my musical taste on her. Well, eventually I was recording vocals for my metal band and she was in the other room and came in really curious to see what was going on.
Long story short, I showed her that it could be fun to just kind of mess around and record stupid sounds and that eventually let her to try to record vocals on her own.
The biggest thing for her to get over was the fact that it was embarrassing to her. But, once she got over that she said, " that was so much fun!" And fast forward to now and she's the co vocalist to this band (TIMŌRĀTUS) and lead vocalist in our new sludge band (Azell).
The lesson learned from all of this is the fact that if you can frame something is being fun and enjoyable and also have somebody who is genuinely curious about what makes you you, then you have a much much better chance to get them to enjoy and or listen to what you enjoy.
The close mindedness you see with metal fans is weird because whenever you see interviews with their favorite artists talking about music outside of the scene, it’s usually all of the stuff metal nerds hate. Musicians usually have incredibly diverse tastes because they’re constantly searching for ideas to pull from and they tend to view things more objectively without any genre criteria.
The musicians themselves are generally more open-minded than the fans.
i used to be like this back when i was in high school. But it wasnt just with music, i was a HUGE weeabo and anime was the only sort of media i consumed. As for music, i lived purely on punk rock. so those 2 things is what i lived on for many years to the point where i didnt think i would be able to interact with someone that had different tastes on stuff. i was in a bunch of music servers on discord at the time and i feel like that deteriorated my mental state because someone would get mad that i didnt like the album that everyone liked etc. so one day i deleted my account, i stoped watching anime, and i started hanging out more with the bad bunny enjoyers at my school and turns out they treated me a lot better than the blink 182 fans i had met online. they recomended me this show called breaking bad which i would have denied instantly since it wasnt anime but i gave it a shot and now its my favorite tv show of all time. so my point is dont encapsulate yourself on one thing because life is filled with so much great stuff and people to share with and by being narrow minded you are missing out on living those beautiful moments
I have the same experience but with the punk scene. I grew up listening to punk & alternative music in the 2000s, but the community was so elitist about their genre being the only "good", non-commercial art (even though many of them can barely play instruments) and made fun of metal all the time. And being a teen, I mimicked that behavior. I eventually migrated more to the metal scene because I thought many of the fans are more chill, campy, and self-parodying and I appreciate the skills required to play the music. I guess being older I also don't pay attention to the elitists that take it too seriously, because they definitely exist too in metal. But I'm now reluctant to identify with any particular scene too much because I want to enjoy any music I happen to like in peace.
I still struggle with being a know it all about a lot of things. I nerd out for the things I enjoy, I study things thoroughly, and I enjoyed all the compliments people gave me over my intelligence. I pissed off friends, family, other people. I always have valued being correct and having the right information. I thought I was being helpful, but a lot of times, I was embarrasing people.
Same
I'm so glad that I opened my mind up to more genres of music other than metal over the years.
I'm a metal fan.
I'm also a hip-hop, underground rap, folk, blues, grunge, dream pop, alt rock indie, nu-soul, lo-fi, shoegaze, witch house, neoretro, trip hop, dark country, slowcore, punkfolk & classical music fan. So, technically: I'm a poser. lol
I'm also an experimental metal musician.
At the same time, what is more authentic to the premisses of music genres & cultures like metal and punk than doing our own stuff no matter what people might think.
What a paradox sometimes to face a scene that can embrace the abondant creativity of those type of music genres but decided to stick to strict rules and gatekeep every attempts of expanding on variations and fusions. Well, I'll do it anyway cuz I love it. I won't do it for pleasing a niche but for stretching musical borders and have fun.
It's okay to just let people be wrong about things that don't matter sometimes, let alone have an opinion that sucks. My brother is the type of person that can just never let something go if you say something he disagrees with or thinks is wrong in his presence, and it's exhausting to be around. It's like, not everything I say is meant to be a conversion challenge. My mom was also like that and they vehemently disagreed with each other on almost everything. Holidays with both of them were a lot of fun when she was still alive.
So few people recognize that few things about taste or preference are “true” and that opinions aren’t facts. Disagreeing with someone about the things they value is such a losing proposition and ultimately one that keeps a person trapped inside the “validity” of their own comfortable and small “truth.” If everything one disagrees with is wrong, what room remains for change?
So few people recognize that few things about taste or preference are “true” and that opinions aren’t facts. Disagreeing with someone about the things they value is such a losing proposition and ultimately one that keeps a person trapped inside the “validity” of their own comfortable and small “truth.” If everything one disagrees with is wrong, what room remains for change?
So few people recognize that little about taste or preference is “true” and that opinions aren’t facts. Disagreeing with someone about the things they value is such a losing proposition and ultimately one that keeps a person trapped inside the “validity” of their own comfortable and small “truth.” If everything one disagrees with is wrong, what room remains for change?
Bro my mom says that too. You were raised right that’s why I watch your channel. A lot of punk rock people ironically were raised right. I remember being in my late teens and early 20s around 2010 and there was nothing more uncool than being a metal guy who wore camo shorts with poor social skills. And it’s true that metal elitism is a very sure fire way to limit your dating pool
college changed me a lot. not that i hadn't pondered about some of these points beforehand. when i first began listening to metal and punk and other nerdy stuff, i was low-key put off by the gatekeepy behavior. none of my friends are into the type of music i like, but we bonded in many more ways than that. you really make a good point about losing more than just "taste". i think urban tribes or whatever often think their "movement" or sub-culture doesn't exist in a vacuum away from the real world. it's still pretty much a product of it.
Being a pretty die hard metal fan. I can see a lot of this behavior in my past self. Not so much the know-it-all part. I've always considered myself pretty dumb, in just about every way lmao. But the part about always talking about it, and always promoting it, kinda got me. I kind of want to express why (at least maybe) some people do it, because it's definitely the reason I did it.
Growing up, I didn't really have any friends, I was laughed at a lot, and so I kinda closed off, I discovered Linkin Park around that time, so I kinda had that Safe Place that commenter had talked about. The problem was, because I was so closed off, making friends became even harder than it already was. Well when my family moved out to another part of the state, I had began wearing LP t-shirts and stuff. And that was how I made my first real friend. The LP shirt lead to talking about music, which in turn lead to us being really good friends. And it kind of just became that. I would meet people (in his specific click of friends) and talk about music and then I would have MORE friends. The problem then became, associating friends with music. Especially similar taste in music. So, to me, talking to random ass people about music became the way I tried to make friends, even when my taste had shifted from LP, to Cannibal Corpse. But I was 100% oblivious to their disinterest because of that association of music = friends.
Not that it's a cop-out to that super obnoxious behavior, because I know that I was SUPER annoying when I did it, but perhaps some of those people just don't know how to make bonds without that initial starter. Or maybe, I was really weird, and this was just an experience only I had.
I think this is a great topic to discuss. We all go through this phase -- we find something we love, whether it's music, sports, etc. -- make it our entire personality and go all in on it. We think everyone else loves something as much as we do, and frankly, think we know all about it and want to show off our "knowledge and expertise." But most people just don't care. People will generally be nice and go along with our ramblings and attitude so they don't rock the boat, but there comes a time in every obsessive's life when they need to hear the hard truth -- "You're not that cool and people just don't care. You're kind of annoying." The key is to not get offended or hurt when you hear those words, but to accept and understand them and realize that you're not the center of the universe.
Well said
This is so important to hear, and is relevant beyond metal. Even though I didn’t grow up being a metalhead, I had the same limited view on who was cool and what people should like, it made me a bit of an asshole and closed me off for friendships with good people.
Metal fans are the most loyal music fans than any genre out there!!!
My own unique musical interests has opened me up to accepting that not everyone needs to like what I like. While I listen to Black and Industrial Metal, I also love 1920s-1930s Jazz, Bluegrass, Blues, Opera/Classical, Disco, and 90s Hip Hop, more importantly I’ve learned that I don’t need to feel embarrassed for not ‘strictly’ being a Metal Head.
What Slayer video is that?
Finn, you are a beautiful man. Have my babies. I don't want them anymore.
This happened to me in middle school \ highschool, not with metal...I never cared to gatekeep music or anything but I had a bad habit of needing to be right and let people know. Glad I had a couple friends shame me out of it before I left grade school.
You're dropping some pretty good life advice in general man thanks for the pep talk 👍🏿
Do you think you’ll give your thoughts on the “Metal Lords” show on Netflix? Caught this vid live, great advice!
Thinking all metalheads only listen to metal just BECAUSE they dress like metalheads must be the most stupidest shit I've ever heard and I've seen a lot in these comments. Of course you don't have to dress like a metalhead to be a metalhead, it was never a rule. The reason why people started dressing like this was because their inspirations dressed like that and they wanted to replicate it. If you listen to more genres you're not special, no need to say that in the comments, we all do. It's a preference; if their genre of music falls more into metal, it doesn't mean they cannot like jazz or goth music, some people might get extreme with it but it happened with every other genre aswell being trap, pop or any type of music in general. If a person did a stupid thing back then that was included in a group of people dosent mean all people between that group are stupid like the person were, that's a stupid stereotype and generalization. And this comment counts to every single stupid comment that I've seen between this section, it becomes a copypaste of the same shit without adding on to anything.
My 16 year old son said he thought my music taste was cool because I listen to everything. I will live on that compliment for the rest of my days.
Amazing video Finn. So much to learn from.
Huh I didn't expect to gain something from this because I'm not a stereotypical "metal fanboy" but yeah that whole section on being the brutal over correcting of others person is definitely something I see more of myself in than I like to admit. I've known for a long time its a problem and have been slowly getting better and better at it. I think (for me at least) the pressures of life, self improvement and high expectations for yourself is a really easy thing to project onto other people and become disappointed in them when they don't meet those unrealistic and off base expectations. Thank you I didn't realize I needed that moment of clarity.
I am so glad I grew up majority post-internet. I was born in 2000. Just graduated college with a bachelors, so as far as a track in life that you're "supposed to do," I am fairly fulfilled. Given how it B-lined it to the end goal of college, I really did miss out on a ton of the fun my peers were subject to. I always thought I would be shit at music because I never took x, y or z class. Picked up a guitar in December of 2021 and I am already doing bar gigs with friends. Given my freshness into the scene, I had no idea about this metal culture. I love Pantera, Megadeth, Slayer, etc but absolutely cannot understand the more niche genres. It is not my taste, but I cannot tell you how many fellow guitar players shit on my "normie" pallet and I've only been around for a year. "Oh symphony of destruction, that's the first thrash song anybody learns!" Thats been said to me at least 5 times because its a regular at my shows. People at bars love it. All music is good music unless its meant to be a money model over music.
Just wanted to say, Symphony of Destruction is a fucking awesome song! Keep enjoying the things you enjoy my friend, and congrats on getting to play some live shows for an audience! It's a lot of fun, and remember that if it ever stops being fun that you have the power to change that!
Random story; This was probably Fall 2002 I was visiting friend up in college and was at a party at night and a dude was there with an acoustic guitar. Turns out he's a major Phish fan which has the most obnoxious fan base(though Phish is very talented).
Anyway I remember at some point he asked me what band I liked and I said Megadeth and he laughed...said they were basic and then to demonstrate to me this he plays the riff to Symphony of Destruction which I then laughed since he picked the easiest Megadeth riff of all time. I think said play solo to Tornado of Souls or something
My biggest issue is that I’m a metal head I also love some pop music and some rap as well. And yeah sometimes I want hard-core riffs or I want like a 15 minute complicated Prog metal song to jam to.
Sometimes I just want to listen to Coldplay and Pet shop boys or the weekend 😂 and just chill. And it’s OK if people don’t like certain artists but it’s like metalheads gets so mad that you can like other artist that are metal or aren’t making 20 minute complicated songs with 35 key changes.
It’s like they think metal is the be-all end-all in that you can’t like other things or “why would you listen to that pop crap bro you are a poser” 😂
Weirdly enough I was a music elitist UNTIL I discovered metal, after that I opened myself up to other genres like pop too
Hey Finn. Being a metalhead myself, I think you actually made some very good points here.
This is the content I’m here for. Thanks for making dope life advice
Dude you literally explained everyone on the internet...
Damn what’s that background? On 0:01
Ninja gaiden 2
06:49 … Reminds me of a line from the movie “Harvey”: my mother used to say to me, in this world you can be oh-so-smart, or oh-so-pleasant. Well, I’ve tried smart, I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.”
Man that’s a good one!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I can’t really do it Justice… here’s the video…
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I've genuinely been thinking about how people revolve their entire personalities around the type of music they listen to. As well as them bashing anything that's not what they consider good music. Your video here is a fantastic summary.
It's always cool when you do the real talk/life advice stuff. I learned the hard way not to be this person in my mid to late 20's. I've been much happier ever since.
I think it's funny how a lot of us were raised on a specific type of music like myself being Hank Williams Senior and Connie Francis that I hated when I became a teenager. Now that I'm 37 I look back on that stuff very longingly and unironically enjoy a ton of stuff in that era and genre!
So crazy you mentioned discordance axis, I was a fan of Dave witts band burnt by the sun in high school and listened to them as well. I hardly talked about my taste in music and felt a camaraderie with people who shared a similar interest in music. looking back I was way too much in my head about it and going to private school didn't help haha. Black metal fans do exist ✊🏿
You ain't getting past my gate until you like MF DOOM.
“Oh really? Name 5 Mf Doom songs?”
@@abelkeinz7028 Monkey Suit, All Outta Ale The Professor meets Dr.Doom version, Rhinestone Cowboy, The Drop. And no shi some of those are Victor Vaughn
@@abelkeinz7028 And all capz when you spell the man name.
Congrats! Next level: Name 5 songs by Kool Keith!
@@abelkeinz7028 I'm not initiated but thank you for exposing me.
The truth is that when you choose sport jersey hardcore as your adult life path it turns you from some sort of outcast to a bully. Be careful what you listen to. Music controls your mind subconsciously. Look into ear worms. Music will make you angry and depressed and it gets worse when you subscribe to a specific genre that is destructive.
I’ve found myself in social situations where someone is trying to make conversation with me about my interests in particular Metal bands….they’ll throw out the old “I saw them with (so and so band) back in….” Now, the Metal nerd in me knows damn well that Band A never toured with or played a show with Band B….and I’ve stopped myself from pulling that card on the person and just nodded and smiled.
Same goes for when the person talks about seeing the band playing a particular song that I know wasn’t played live at that point or on that particular tour. 😂
finn's sense of humor is like coffee, at first you don't really like it, and it seems really bitter. But after a short period of time you become dependent on it.