Pokémon Colosseum Retrospective: A Game Ahead of its Time
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A retrospective look on the development of Pokemon Colosseum and what it means to me and the what it did for the rest of the Pokemon franchise.
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A video of Pokemon XD will be done down the road.
Here is the Sequel Retrospective of Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness:
ruclips.net/video/9X5m_2cTFB8/видео.html
I really love the expressive animations in Colosseum and the other Stadium-type games. The newer 3D games are a real downgrade!
I've been replaying battle revolution and I agree so hard with this. I love gamefreak the first 5 gens but my god Genius Sonority is severely and horribly underrated
The benefit of working with a smaller scale. Less Pokémon and moves to animate = more time to animate each one.
I mean, hell, they didn’t even have wild Pokémon encounters to program. I’ve done text coding in the past, coding something like Pokémon’s encounter system would take an UNHOLY amount of time
@@jaydenliberty9536 No it wouldn't, it's literally just "when player is on tile set x - x % chance of encounter with Pokemon xyz" and a encounter percentage chance for each Pokemon.
Seeing that Umbreon Crunch animation brings back a lot of nostalgia, like straight up ingrained in my memory.
6:32 You can get all failed catches in the post game
I was looking for this comment.
All the Pokemon that are on your team when you beat Mount Battle will get a Unique Ribbon, which was mainly only valued by Ribbon Collectors for the longest time till Gen 8 added the Title System... So if you manage to transfer a Mount Battle Winner from Colosseum/XD:GoD to RSE (from RSE then back) then DPP Then BWB2B2 THEN use Poketransfer to inject the Pokemon into Pokebank *THEN* transfer it to Pokehome and lastly into SWSH you'll get a Unique Title for sending out your Pokemon into battle that states "Go --- The 100x Victorious!", which I'd consider one of the ultimate badges of respect if you're the one who did all the transferring+work and didn't just trade for it. (As a side note Purified Shadow Pokemon also get a Unique Ribbon and Title that states "Go --- The Triumphant!")
This is so sick I never knew that, thank you for this cool piece of info! I’m gonna load my old xd gale of darkness and make a new save and try to do it before the ds shop and ds internet closes💙⚡️🌬☃️
@@dvp1694 the internet for the 3ds ain't shutting down, that'll still be active for ages (even when it does local connection will still work) and even if you don't download Pokemon Bank/Transporter before the shop closes there's always cfw which can be done in 10 minutes now and gives access to the community's download files.
This game is better IMO it was the pinnacle of Pokémon games and the soundtrack is godly. Beat it 3 times when I was a kid until my cousin took it back since he left it. They should remaster both Colosseum and XD on the switch for sure.
I preferred Colosseum to XD. While XD did fix some of the gameplay issues, mostly regarding shadow pokemon and added some wild pokemon, the difficulty is noticeably easier. Also, they toned down the maturity and grittiness of the story and world that was in Colosseum. Wes is also just a lot cooler than Michael
True. Michael is a graceful blend of Wes edgelord vibes and traditional younger 10 yo aesthetics from the mainline pokemon games
We traded Wes's Chad bike for Michael's scooter
I was 6 years old when Pokémon Colosseum came out. I remember my first time playing it when I got home. And it blew my mind. If was exciting and it told a compelling and dark story that was WAY ahead of it's time for me. Everything from the graphics, Pokémon animation, background designs, & my favorite the soundtrack. Why The Pokémon Company won't put out a remastered version for the Switch on the E-store along with RSE is beyond me. is They would sell like hot cakes considering how most of us 2000s kids who grew up with Pokémon fondly remember them and how good they were.
13:46 You can get Pikachu in RSE, through the Safari Zone
its not ahead of its time, its just a timeless classic
👏👏👏
That ending lol I remember that commercial as an kid yes we need to hammer at GF to get an trilogy remaster for this game.
As a kid I didn't see the plot twist that the old man was the main bad guy either. I woke my mom up when I yelled "Wow" she definitely didn't like that 🤣
Timer balls are your best friend in this game
Currently replaying this on an emulator, what strikes me most is how dark the story is compared to other Pokémon games. Evil Pokémon that attack trainers? Underground gangs? Sign me up! The music hits me right in the nostalgia too
9:10 the scene where Tyranitar faints I remembered happened to me and I SCREEEAMED with disappointment. Even in beating the final boss I couldn't let that loss go 🥲🥲🥲
Having to restart after accidently KOing a shadow pokemon always sucked. I feel that lol
I've never played this game but I was always interested in it as a kid and since I just played sword I been really wanted to go back and play this game just to see how ahead of it's time it was
20:40
Actually, you can use a scent from the cologne case to snap a Pokémon out of Hyper Mode outside of battle.
Only in xd
Really Well Made Video!!! I've always wanted a retrospective on both Colosseum and XD that gave the game a lot more respect and information on the games. Most of the videos I've seen on them are of people who didn't play all the way cause it was too sluggish, people who didn't grow up with the games, or gave too short of a review to really grasp what the game was like and all the extra content it had. Even considered making videos on them since no one else did for a long time now, but this video is everything I wanted and more!
Grown up with these games for a long time now. Totally relate to how you say these games have a lot of charm and are inspired to Final Fantasy games. Even cool Reference to the E-Reader Cards and Jirachi/Celebi Disks. Seeing those Trailers for the games to is so Frickin' Nostalgic. Makes me want to play them over again for the 5th time now. I do agree how these games can be a chore when it comes to everything taking so long. Super grateful to the Modding community for fixing stuff like that or even adding Randomizers n' stuff. But overall really awesome videos and love how if I watch this video over and over again that I'll pick something new up again.
If you miss any failed shadow pokemon, you can try to catch them again in the Snagam Hideout.
Wander the hideout until you run into trainers. I think they drop down from the ceilings.
I does NOT have to be in one sitting. I got to level 76 on my first play, then the rest of the game was a cake walk. And then was able to re-start Mt Battle at level 70. In fact you can jump around however you want; more like unlocking levels than a full tournament
Maxwell I believe he meant that you have to beat mt battle (in battle mode) in one sitting to have Ho-oh after purifiying all the pokemon in story mode.
@@segaisthebest8106 oh my gosh that would be unbearable
For the impersonator bit, Togetic is actually easy to weaken with Umbreon if you box it at your first chance to since their starting level is so close to shadow Togetic. You can use this same trick for shadow Remoraid too.
Can't help but think the point of Togetic is "what if Wes turned his Eeveelutions into a shadow Pokemon as soon as they evolved" take.
I really wish they atleast kept shadow minun. You can even get a plusle. It's a game where every battle is a double battle the plus and minus combo would've been amazing.
Colosseum was NOT the only way to get pikachu in Gen III. Pikachu is catchable in the Hoenn Safari Zone.
as well as you can encounter EVERY not caught shadow Pokémon at a later time.
As a child of Gen 3, I genuinely laugh at every single person who thinks Gen 8 has paywalls
As a child of Gen 1 we never saw it as a paywall, we would just trade since the phenomenon was so huge here in England around 1999-2001.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE I was there for that, It's literally paywalled the same way as it is now
@@HedeccaTamer But absolutely no one I knew bought two Pokemon cartridges, we all had plenty of people who had the other version to trade with here at school etc...
It's only "paywalled" if you don't know anyone else who has the other version which is far more of an issue now than when Pokemania was at its height in the late 90s early 2000s.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE Just because you didn't see it as a paywall (your words) doesn't mean it wasn't a paywall. 2 versions of the same game still needed to be purchased, 2 gameboy systems were needed, and a link cable. Plus everything involved with trading through Pokemon Stadium. Maybe the difference was that you were a kid and therefore not thinking of all the accessories and games that were having to be purchased, but it was objectively the same paywall phenomenon people describe today.
@@av2279 You don't understand that as normal non-autistic children, there were at least 30 of us in the same year that played Pokemon. Sorry for you modern wierdos.
About Shadow Rush; when you use it -- the Pokemon will sometimes randomly go into Hyper Mode.
In Hyper Mode Shadow Rush gains an increased chance to crit, but the Pokémon can only use Shadow Rush or else they’ll disobey you.
I'm sure Cipher would have used Jirachi for there evil plans. Not to mention making Shadow Jirachi most of all.
Now days this the only Pokémon game I want to play and XD
there's not a day i don't have this game on my mind
21:11 its wild how im 20 and i saw this advert and thought “holy shit i wanna buy this so bad” when its in my wii rn, i was playing it last night
wild what a good advert will do to your brain man
6:37 ? What are u talking about? U r not screwed. U can catch the shadow Pokémon that u failed to catch the first time by going to the colosseum and you’ll find the shadow Pokémon’s trainer and fight them again
We need to get Game Freak to remember these games!
They hate this game and XD
@@jenisia3600 unfortunately they do.
@@jenisia3600 What a surprise. That’s like clockwork for Nintendo. The big boys hate their superior smaller studios that make better games than they do. Same thing with the Mario RPGs. Rinse and repeat, bury the gold and keep rehashing new turds. That’s why GameCube era was the best.
These games aren’t owned by game freak therefore they won’t remake it and the devs that made these games aren’t allowed to work using Pokémon again
I think the shadow pokemon concept could make a really fire game on today's hardware. Taking on a opposite approach and being on the other side of catching pokemon is a cool concept, and honestly pokemon needs something to freshen it up. The new games just ain't it chief.
The shadow minun is a missed opportunity considering you got the free plusle in the one game you could’ve plausibility used plus and minus abilities to their fullest potential at the time
Same with Shadow Porygon2; that would've been a way easier way to get Porygon than the Game Corner.
@@F1areon so very true especially if you’re playing firered
@@tristindurocher-batley4780 Yeah, why on Earth is it cheaper in LeafGreen than it is on FireRed?? X__X
The Prove that I was ahead of us time that most Pokémon couldn’t evolve because it wasn’t 4th gen 😭💯
Ah that Black Gamecube Special Edition in the bundle..... nostalgia..... That Ho Oh can in the Mount Battle Battle Mode no the Story one. ;) So if you want to grind, you have to do it twice. :)
Very well done. Good points, good pace. I came to this video because it bothered me that many believe Sun and Moon were the first 3d Pokemon games... When in fact, that honor goes to Colosseum and XD. Though notably difficult and slow paced, the concept was excellent.
Wondered why they seemed forgotten, and the large reason is because they're not made be Gamefreak. Just like Mario Rpg was made by Square Enix.
you mean X/Y, not Sun and Moon
in fact, that was acutally Pokemon Stadium in case you forgot
Fun fact the Japanese bonus disk data is on the US retail copy of the game and you showed some of it in the video. It is accessible using a action replay or some modded console, it works as I’ve done it to get the most legit celebi I could get in my opinion.
I don’t even really care that there aren’t many Pokémon for u to choose from in colosseum. Because the starter Pokémon are some of my fav Pokémon to have. I love eevee and all it’s evolutions. I always just fight with espeon and umbreon and put the random shadow Pokémon in my party until I can turn them back to normal and then switch it out and put another shadow Pokémon in my party. But I usually don’t fight with any of the shadow pokemon
This game deadass has the best soundtrack
Mt battle is 10 battles at a time. Once you complete those 10 you can start back from there.
Colosseum was my absolute favourite game and still is in my top 5
I have so many fond memories of it
Also what i recently found out: normally, metagross has a catch rate of 3, which is what most legendaries have. But in colosseum, metagross and tyranitar have their catchrates swapped, so it has 45 and tyranitar got catch rate 3.
I wasted my masterball immediately on metagross as a kid and then struggled for months to get that t-tar. Now i know why lol
And yes, the second to last main story battle caught me completely off guard lol. Whooped my tail the first time so bad that I couldn't watch my last one fall, I reset! (And this was me playing years later, like a couple years ago)
And to add to the uneasiness-- that battle had no music. Tension level was high.
Back in the day when Pokemon was difficult lol. Subscribe man, I plan to make an XD video like this in the future.
The last game they made was Pokémon Cafe Mix game
they're now focus on mobile instead of console
Pikachu was obtainable in Ruby and Sapphire. However the Light Ball wasn’t
13:48 Yes you could? You could catch pikachu in ruby and sapphire in the safari zone.
3:33 actually shadow rush isn’t super effective against everything in this game, it’s just neutral. Shadow moves are super effective in XD Gale of Darkness
Amazing video-essay, your channel deserves more attention. Please continue to make videos further!
Pokemon used to have a real edge to it, now its just a cutesy bubbly bullshit baby game.
31:08 when I first saw him jumping like that it scared me more than the protect earthquake combo they used on you
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I disagree in that Plusle is a low tier Pokemon, I'd actually argue that Plusle is one of if not the best Pokemon in the entire game.
Because Plusle is a traded Pokemon and as soon as you get the Plusle you'll get access to the EXP share. By this time you also should have Quagsire or Croconaw with Surf. Because Plusle with the traded bonus XP and the XP share will be getting a 5x XP multiplier, something gets 100 XP, Plusle will get 500 XP. If you give Plusle the XP share and just Helping Hand spam Surf the Agate fights and gauntlet before Dakim Plusle will easily be in the mid to late 30s by the time you fight Dakim in just 14 measly fights easily caught up and surpassing your primary team. This spirals so much out of control that by the end of the game when your team is in it's early to mid 50s Plusle can be in it's 70s with minimal grinding.
Plusle's speed and special attack are incredible stats on their own merits and because Plusle will be so overleveled it will be the fastest thing on the field every time outspeeding even Sneasel, Espeon and Raikou and hitting harder than Ampharos and Raikou too.
Not only that but Plusle's movepool is actually really amazing, something that no other Colosseum pokemon can boast about, they all have 1 role and stick to this gameplan. Plusle actually learns too many amazing moves to choose so you have to decide on what team you're building and how Plusle can fit into it. Some amazing moves Plusle learns
Helping Hand: With so many powerful spread moves like the abundance of Surf, Blizzard and Razor Leaf adding a multiplier will shred through weak fights easily.
Fake Tears: An alternative to Helping Hand, this allows Plusle to target a single enemy with a -2 special defense drop, when combined with the above spread moves this can let you double ko an opponent who is weak and a neutral opponent in the same turn in a way Helping Hand would never accomplish. You can also use this with any special attacker to just 1 shot an enemy every turn.
Dual Screens: A shockingly sparse move on Colosseum's cast being so fast Plusle will always get it's screens up.
Thunder Wave: Not only is this an effective disruption but when combined with Haryama this can allow Plusle and Haryama to target individual enemies with a Thunder Wave Smellingsalt combo.
Encore: If the enemy ever uses a setup move, and a lot of enemies, particularly boss Pokemon will always begin every fight with a setup move, making use of it's blinding speed Plusle can essentially free lock an enemy into spamming a useless move, for instance if an enemy starts a fight with Rain Dance Plusle can spend it's second turn Encoring them into Rain Dance and turn the fight into an effectively 2v1 for the next 2-6 turns depending on your luck.
Baton Pass/Agility: There's a lot of slow Pokemon in Colosseum that an Agility boost would help greatly, personally I'm not a huge fan of this strat because Plusle has so many other options that enable so many other pokemon that I can't in good faith sacrifice Plusle's role in my team to setting up a singles strategy. It can work though if you really wanted to and is your only choice for and passing strategy.
Rain Dance: There's a lot of pokemon that benefit from rain, Thunder, Surf and even fire resistance are all incredibly useful attributes to have on such a fast pokemon. Rain Dancing and having your Suicune or Feraligatr spamming a rain boosted surf on turn 1 then having helping hand or fake tears + rain empowered Surfs starting turn 2 onwards isn't something any pokemon can handle.
Thunder: Finally the attacking move of choice for Plusle, using a rain strategy this makes Plusle even better than Raikou and Ampharos as an electric type because he's faster and stronger thanks to his level advantage. This also gives Plusle a hail mary in strategies that don't use rain or sun since sun nerfs Thunder's accuracy. You can use Spark or even Thunderbolt if the TM isn't better used for coverage but frankly if you're not running Thunder don't even bother with any attacking move and go full support.
Plusle enables so many pokemon, both S and low tier pokemon alike you're really doing yourself a disservice not at least trying out this godlike support Pikachu clone. I'd say the only team comp Plusle doesn't fit in is Sun comps but even then Encore, Tears, Thunder Wave and Screens would be amazing traits to have, even Baton Passing an Agility to enable some crazy sweeping Magcargo, Sudowoodo, Medicham or Piloswine comp if you really wanted to make those work.
13:44 you can catch pikachu in the safari zone
In emerald, which wasn't out yet
@@CausticGrasp consider checking bulbapedia
I stand corrected
@@CausticGraspyou could in Ruby sapphire
@@anon70403 ....I... Literally corrected myself the comment afterwards and this was a year ago.
Wrong you could get Pikachu in the safari zone in Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire.
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness was released the year after Colosseum
Colosseum - 2004
XD: Gale of Darkness - 2005
Yea no you are wrong.
@@ZachHonest it's not wrong the UK got released in the UK in 2004 so it's not wrong
Japanese Colosseum was 2003, Western releases were 2004. Red & Green then Blue were 1996, while "Red & Blue" were 1998. Localization time is real although doesn't effect Japan when it comes to Pokemon.
@@ZachHonestonly in Japan colo was 2003
Hitmontop, Murkrow, Feraligatr, Plusle, Espeon n Umbreon... I banged everyone w that team (Intimidate + helping hand is broken)
The lack of connection between Gen Ⅱ and Gen Ⅲ has nothing to do with the conversion formula being too complex. The formula is not even close to being too complex, an old Game Boy could easily convert a Pokémon data structure from any of Gen Ⅰ or Gen Ⅱ to any of the Pokémon data structures from Gen Ⅲ all the way up to Gen Ⅷ, if it were programmed for that.
Just look at the conversion process for the Virtual Console transfers, they are really simple.
You misspoke about a few things, you said that Shadow Rush was super effective against everything except other Shadow Pokémon. That was true in the sequel, but not Colosseum. Youi also said some of the Shadow Pokémon you only have 1 chance to catch. Again, that was true of the sequel, but I'm pretty sure you can as many chances as you want for all the trainers in Colosseum. XD Gale of Darkness has better gameplay but Colosseum has better story. Also, Gamecube _did_ have internet connectivity through ethernet cables, it's just that very few games actually made use of it.
I think SOME of the Shadow Pokemon in Colosseum were one-shots, but for the most part yeah you could rematch trainers and try again later.
A game so ahead of its time it has better animations and graphics than a certain 2019 Pokemon Switch Game
You mean the first post gen one pokemon game where you could not import pokemon.
overall great retrospective. I loved this game and its sequel as a kid.
few small things that other people have already said: shadow moves were not yet super effective on all non-shadows, failed captures that aren't immediately available for retry can be found in the post-game
you can get Pikachu in every Gen 3 game but the Gamecube titles
You actually fight Gonzap twice
I want to play this so bad why is it so expensive?
The GameCube Pokémon games are the ones I’d say emulate because no one should have to pay hundreds of dollars just to play them
Look I understand the video is 40 minutes but it’s set for nearly a dozen commercial breaks. You gotta tone em down man. At least set HALF of what you currently have.
Several things I've noticed wrong with this already:
Pikachu was catchable in the Safari Zone in Ruby and Sapphire.
The e-Reader room is inaccessible in international releases of the game but loads up the data just fine if you cheat your way in there, although you DO need a Japanese e-Reader+ and the appropriate cards to use the room properly.
The fact that you made this video means that you can shut up and take my subscription; I looked up some of the other videos you made and seems interesting even though I don't play smash that much
Thanks man. I got another Pokemon Video in the chamber so look out for that when it drops. I appreciate your comment and subscription!
So like I totally cheesed it, but this gane has an infinite masterball glitch that you can exploit
where's the XD video?
Haha down the road for sure. I love Pokemon XD arguably more than Colosseum. I want a bigger following before I do that video because initially this video didn't do that well.
ruclips.net/video/9X5m_2cTFB8/видео.html
The Wailord model from gen 7 is just straight lazyness 😂
Man, I think you just bad at the game
You didn't do enough research kid
fr, he litteraly said you can't get pikachu in despite pikachu being one of the most common pokemon in the safari zone