What if Alexander the Great Lived Longer? P1
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Alexander the Great died at the age of 32 in 323 BC. People have often speculated what would have happened if lived longer. In this video I go over his military campaigns into Europe, Arabia, and India to finally answer: What if Alexander lived longer?
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Please let me know if you like the videos with the movie clips and battles or not? I am not sure if I should include them in videos going forward. Also, should I make a part 2 to this, and if so, what do you think would have happened? Thanks
I mean no need for me to be rude but, Can't say i Love them all to much..
I like the videos with the movie clips and battles also a part 2 would be epic 👌
I love the clips, they really add to the story by visualizing the tone and setting.
Congrats on a thousand I know if you keep it up you will it 10k 100k 1mill your vids are good I am you 340th subscriber much love!
yes you should make a part 2
I'd love to see a part two for this alternate history scenario. I find Alexander and his empire extraordinarily fascinating and to see what would happen if he conquered most of the known world would be a joy to watch.
i am glad you liked it, part 2 is coming this weekend
@@Videntis.History and that’s how you earn a new sub
@@Videntis.History I'll make sure to watch it once it comes out.
Alexander won't have been able to capture India.. India would be ruled by Chandragupta Maurya who inflicted a crushing defeat on Alexander's General and took Afghanistan from him
2012 Diffallah foundation found Alexander's remains in Jordan .RUclips media release ,
This feels like what Alexander would've wanted to happen rather than what could've happened.
yeah, I just went off the assumption that he never would have lost a battle, and tried to follow what Diodorus Siculus wrote
@@Videntis.History yeah because I don't think the Scythians with their horse Archer based armies could've lost to the phalanx if they actively tried
@@ashutoshtripathi. Yup, the classic "Shoot them with a light cavalry to mess up their order and then destroy them with a flank and a heavy cavalry" is hard to beat, even for the phalanx.
@@ashutoshtripathi. Alexander and his generals (staff) would've innovated. Remember he did defeat many barbarian tribes in what is now Central Asia. And that horse archer trick only works against inferior or overconfident generals not against disciplined armies that keep their formation.
@@celdur4635 Romans were disciplined at Carrhae. Alexander wasn't a god, despite him thinking otherwise.
I think like how the Roman capital was moved to Constantinople, this Macedonian empire would see such a change as well. Due to the East being bigger, more populous and richer, it´s safe to say that eventually, the focus of leadership would move that way. If I had to take a guess, it would be a new capital at the Pharaoh's Canal ( Assuming they don't make a bigger channel ) as it connected the Mediterranean to India and Egypt's central position in the empire.
yeah good idea, the capital would probably be shifted eastward for sure, either in egypt or mesopotamia
Probably Antioch
Alexander had already made Babylon his new capital and Stateira (daughter of Darius) his Queen. We would get a mirror image of the Pontic Kingdom of Mithridates.
While Mithridates was a Hellenized Persian... Alexander would be a Persianized Greek
@@caniblmolstr4503 I'm aware of that, but in this timeline, Alexander conquered Iberia, Northern Africa, Italy and India and kept his capital at Pella, so I don't think that Babylon would be as certain as it was in our timeline. It would still remain a potential capital though.
@@ari3903 I know the op goes for Alexander conquering more but that's unlikely. His troops had already shown they were tired. Alexander IMO if he had lived would have spent his remaining life putting down one rebellion after the other.
My time lines is as follows -
Alexander paranoid puts Philotas to death after Perdiccas and Ptolemy accuse Philotas of trying to kill Alexander. They argue Alexander's fever was a poison fever.
This causes Antipater to rebel and Antiochus Monopthalmus joins him as he believes he was denied the glory as he was guarding the supply lines till now. Alexander crushes it but makes peace with Antipater and marries his daughter.
Now different factions start to form around his children from different wives each representing a future path for the empire.
1. A section of the army wants Hercules Alexander's son from Barsine the former wife of Memnon his former adversary. As it did in real life.
2.A sizable portion believe Alexander's heir should be the son born from Stateira. They find it only right that the future king of Kings should have some connection to the previous ones. This includes Seleucus and Ptolemy. Two pragmatic rulers who tried to assimilate into their subjects in real life.
3. The old guard believes that the son born from Antipater's daughter should be the heir as he would be the most Macedonian of the bunch. This is the Conservative traditionalist faction. This includes Antipater, Antiochus and Perdiccas.
All of Alexander's sons grow up to be able men. Hercules thinks as the eldest it is only right that he rule. He also had participated in his father's many consolidation campaigns in Cappadocia and Phyrgia.
Antipater had managed to name his grandson Perdiccas (a traditional Argead name) to ensure the generals support for his grandson's claim and it was successful. Though Antipater is gone now and Cassander hardly commanded the same amount of respect his father did - Perdiccas did enjoy it still. He ensured Perdiccas Argead got the best education.
Stateira wanted her son to be named Cyrus a Greek form of her ancestor's name. Seleucus who had distinguished himself in the East consolidating the empire and conquering new lands of Sindh supported Cyrus. He went as far as to make him his son in law and dreamt of the day when he could count two emperors as his sons in law (Chandragupta and Cyrus) and maybe in the future, two emperors as his grandsons.
Alexander died at the age of 56 from malaria leaving his empire in civil war between three of his sons.
I just want to say that I LOVED that you mentioned what his individual generals would have been doing because they often played important parts in his campaigns yet nobody really notices.
I am glad you liked the video, part 2 is coming this weekend so stay tuned for more
@@Videntis.History can I write a book about this? (with a few personal changes)
@@haldemarest yeah, just mention me in me in the book, make a greek general called Nostradeas or something :) lmk when you finished your 1st chapter
I think much of that is due to how prominent Alexander and Parmenion were. The other's played big enough roles, it's just that those two were at the center.
A part two!? I'm all in for it, and this is an incredible video, Mr. Nostradamus; I really mean, and I do for the way you make alternate history is entertaining yet educational on teaching the natural history, and I wish there were more alternate historian RUclipsrs uses animation to make alternate history more exciting ( most they are an extraordinary showing their passion on their channel). For example, Alexander the Great had lived would lead him to forge the empire that the Romans dreamed of. Julius Caesar admired Alexander the Great because he envied him for accomplishing his feats at a young age which made Caesar determined to form his own path, which would lead his great nephew to become the first Roman Emperor of the Roman Empire. Speaking of Julius and Augustus, would they still exit with Rome and Italy under Macedonia's control? This colossal empire would make Alexander III of Macedonia Emperor of the Macedonia Empire, or would he just be called king? I'd like to know how Alexander the Great lived and if he established an imperial dynasty similar to royalty. Since his son now rules a vast empire, please explain the appropriate title; I appreciate it.
Anyway, this is an incredible alternate history video, I really liked the outcome video, and your animation is improving; I love it and don't care what everyone says. You are the best alternate historian RUclipsr who uses energy on alternate history and uses mods from different strategies games. It shows you have the passion and interest of heart and put the effort of your hard work, and I'm proud I get see this come to life and happy I found this channel; you deserve recognition and praise for putting your best and don't you forget it about, and you're an incredible artist in my own eyes!
Suggestions for future alternate history:
What if Princess Charlotte of Wales had lived and became Queen of Great Britian?
What if Boris Godunov had lived longer and remained Tsar of Russia? What would Russia be like under his reign, and how would Russia be different?
What if the Songhai Empire never fell and had unified Africa? How would Africa be under the stable Songhai Empire?
What if Japan had won the Imjin War and fully annexed China with Oda Nobunaga had survived his assassination attempt, which resulted in an earlier rise Empire of Japan?
What if Napoleon II had lived if Napoleon Bonaparte had accepted the Frankfurt Prospal? Is it possible for Napoleon II and Princess Sophie of Bavaria to marry even if they were in love, and what would France be like under Napoleon I in his peaceful reign as Emperor?
What if Rani Lakhismbal, aka Rani of Jhansi, had survived the Indian Rebellion of 1857 and was the one who unified India against the British? In what ways could Rani Lakshimbal have the princely states join her cause along with her allies, and would a unified army be enough to drive India out, and if so, why? What a united India be called, and what appropriate sovereign title for Rani of Jhansi to use for being a ruler of a united India? What would India be like under Rani Lakshimbal's reign as ruler, and would it have changed or still linger in the old traditional ways?
Which of these suggestions do you find exciting? I want your opinion on which of the six ideas you like best.
I really like your enthusiasm for my channel. I like your ideas on France and Napoleon the most and I think they would make interesting videos
@@Videntis.History, Glad to hear about it, but I do have an exciting idea that comes to mind: How you thought about an Indo-Roman Empire? What do you think about the concept of an empire? Do you know which Indian empire would be the best candidate to be the new Rome and why this Indian Empire is a good candidate? Would you please let me know whether you like this idea? If not, then that's okay; you don't need to feel pressured to think of doing it. Again your channel is incredible and deserves to be noticed in the alternate history youtube community!
@@Videntis.History What I'm trying to ask of you is if there is any Indian kingdom or empire able to defend the entire Indian subcontinent from total invasion outside India? Examples: Alexander's Empire and one of his successor states, the seleucid empire.
Which of these Indian kingdoms or empires have the best ability to remain united, and if so, in what ways could that empire or kingdom remain united and stay stable? What would these Indian kingdoms or empire relationship with the Romans, and how could an Indo-Roman Empire be formed? What are your thoughts on ways this could happen?
before 25 centuries FILIP MACEDONIAN KINGDOM ! ! !
This is probably the biggest overestimation of Alexander's ability in any video. He could win pitched battles with the crumbling Persians and divided Greeks, but would greatly struggle against tribal groups in Iberia, Italy and the Balkans. Rome would be a big pain, and Carthage even more so, with their large and highly capable navy. India is near impossible, especially under Chandragupta Maurya, who himself was a brilliant commander, and would have attacked Alexander's Empire several times by 300 BC.
Agree with you with this one!
The Macedonian army wasn’t that powerful, and to prove it, only 40 years after the death of Alexander in 280BC, the Macedonians had their asses kicked by none other than the Celts 😂. Who would have thought that Asterix and Obelix could give Alexander’s army a run for its money?
One Macedonian army after another was trashed by the Celts, where the Celts went so far as to sack Delphi. In order to appease the Celtic invaders, the Macedonians had no option but to grant them a province in central Turkey which would go on to become Galatia.
P.S. Interesting fact: The Galatians were referenced in the New Testament Bible as “St. Paul’s letter to the Galatians.”
As for India, when Alex reached there it was controlled by the collapsing Nanda and if Alex returns in like 2 years, he'll meet collapsing Nandas once again and Chandrgupta, only a rebel in the forests. I still say, Alex still wins there. But not in this timeline, as in this timeline Chandragupta already formed his empire.
Carthage too, I think can be defeated if there's a landing in like, Tripolitania and they marche along the way. They didn't seem to have the most impressive military and Rome maybe be in a similar state just due to its size. But then again Rome was fairly populated.
But yeah, Nubia, Iberia and the Balkans, I agree.
@@MorrisJohn-vo2vn
Chandragupta would have most likely push him beyond Hindu kush and indus river
@@alexanderramsbottom4796 alexander's army was dead and had been like that for years after the diadochi wars, the veterans were basically killing each other, it's the leader of the army that make it great not the army itself, and don't forget that the very same celts were defeated a small greek coalition afterwards , this doesn't mean that they were now stronger than macedon
@@ProudTurkroachif darius couldn't push him into the sea, then indians couldn't dream ofndoing so
What Alexander already conquered is the size limit that ancient empire can be stable in the long run. There is a reason that Achaemenid Empire, Alexander's, Maurya, Roman Empire, Han all had similar size - around 5 million km2.
K will explain the future of the empire in part 2
@fI1cker yeah i will at some point in the future, the good thing about history is there pretty much unlimited things to talk about so I will make a series on them
I'd love to see an alternate timeline where the Norse permanently settled the New World instead of calling it quits on Canada after a few years.
Cant imagine they would have lasted much longer than they did at some point an argument would occur and the natives would kill the vikings.
@@user-bh2eq2ew6s depends though. if they land further south....more people would be motivated to move there. And if a full proper multiple viking armies are there...the natives will have to resort to early forms of guerilla warfare. The biggest advantage will be the vikings have steel.
Suggestion: What if the kingdom of Soissons survived in northern Gaul.
Then the French language wouldn't be called French.
I have not seen this done before so I will definitely look into it
@@StockImagesVoid Well, at least French wouldn't be a half germanic/half latin language, but similar to rural Latin.
@@mohi6699 It would be a more Romano-Gallic language(more roman than Gallic).
@@mohi6699 I don't know about that.
It would still be a "latin-based" language heavily influenced by germanic languages, since the people of "Soisson" would still be living the closest to germanic people compared to other "latin" people.
But the language would certainly not be called French, no mater how similar it is to our French.
From what I read prior to his death he was planning an Arabian campaign, that and in 318 the Mauryan's invaded the Indian Territory in our world, I imagine they'd do likewise especially with Alexander preoccupied elsewhere.
Yeah, thats what I based the campaigns on as best I could
@@Videntis.History Mayura is biggest factor to Alexander died in younger age... And Alexander conquer Mayuran Empire 😂😂.......
@@avikkalsa137 yeah good point, looking back on it I messed up the stuff with India and generally rushed that section. I didn’t give them enough credit for their strength or explain how they lost
@@Videntis.HistoryRight after Alexander's death his General seleucus nicator was brutally crushed by Chandragupta Maurya when he tried to invade India and he had to cede large parts of his territory to the Maurya empire(like entire Afghanistan).... Alexander would never have been able to dent the vast Mauryan empire, let alone capture it
@@avikkalsa137Alexander would not even harm the mauryan empire. His general was defeated very badly by Chandragupta
Hey man, great video! But I don't think the empire would hold together like this, wouldn't the persian lands revolt while Alexander spent (presumably) around a decade conquering the mediterranean?
Revolts are inevitable but I think they would be crushed
good points, I will cover the future of the empire in the second part of the series so stayed tuned
I doubt it. These people were used to not being ruled by native rulers. Combined with the fact that Alexander had just swept the floor with them, I HIGHLY doubt they would offer any kind of resistance in a timeframe of half a century, by which point they'd be culturally integrated into the empire.
@@Videntis.History Can't wait!
@@y.r._nah.
remember this is an ancient empire, communication and travels takes ages. i think even if regions wouldnt actively try to gain independance, they would start to slip out of the fold, deffo when he dies.
also it may not be a seperatist revolt but rather disloyal generals. alexander was not the best administrator.
Looking forward to part 2 - good structure for an alternate history novel series! Great job!
Thanks
First of all, fantastic video. I can see the ton of work and research you put into making this.
However, I believe it would have been harder for Alexander to advance in Spain and especially in central Italy than you made it out to be. The region is mountainous and the two pillars of Alexander's army, the phalanx and the cavalry, need large open plains to work at their best. Add to that the stiff resistance from the Romans and the Sammnites, and central Italy could have very well become Macedon's Vietnam.
Also, if I can give a suggestion, in the future video I think you should explore more the problems that come from ruling the Western Mediterranean. As we know from real history with Rome, ruling over hundreds of tribes, all very adept in guerrilla warfare like in Hispania, can be extremely hard for a centralized empire. The Romans themself couldn't pacify the Hiberian Peninsula until Augustus so I can't see how Alexander's empire could have done it so quickly.
I am glad you liked it and you have some valid criticisms. I agree it would have been harder for Alexander to capture Spain (outside of Carthage's land) because of the terrain. I would like to point out that Alexander did fight for years across mountains in the middle east and was able to destroy his enemies even though phalanx's are not ideal for that terrain. Capturing Italy would have been easier in my mind as they were more developed. The more developed a nation was in the ancient world, the easier it would have been to conquer it. I will get into the future of his empire in part 2, so stay tuned
Agree. Alexander was essentially the master of combined arms warfare and was not afraid to very quickly adopt new units and tactics. He would have incorporated the new armies and forces he faced and would have also brought the best of those forces into is own army.
Compare also Hannibal's invasion some 100 years later and the logistical nightmares he faced from an unsupportive Carthage. Alexander would not have had this issue at all. I put his army at about 100,000 infantry (mixed heavy, phalanx, hypaspits, Greeks, Samnites (after defeating them, bringing in their manipular formations to complement the phalanx)), and about 20,000 cavalry.
People seem to focus on his pitched battles, but it was his tactical acumen when it came to guerilla warfare, and thinking quickly in unconventional warfare that would have seen him best the Romans, and later the Iberian Peninsular. The Romans would have been tough but at this particular stage in history, they were still fighting the Samnites with varying success.
Alexander was also masterful at sieges. This was something that Hannibal seems to have suffered greatly from. Or it was his abject lack of support from Carthage and logistics. Again this would have been nullified under Alexander.
I suspect though Italy would have come before Spain, not after, given the Greek population density of Magna Graecia. Then to Sicily. Then on to Carthage, then Spain.
agree with the OP. No way Alexander would've been able to conquer all those distinct nations and tribes as quickly. His main conquest came from defeating a single dynasty in open combat hence his vast expansion.
To compare: even 1000 years later it took the Arabs decades of successful campaigns to establish a realm from Spain to India.
To even THINK that Alexander would have succeeded in capturing India, let alone North India is just INSANE. He would not have captured the deeper parts of India, he was already exhausted and BARELY WON against the first North Western kingdom he went against, there were other North Western kingdoms followed by many Northern, Central, Southern and North Eastern Kingdoms. If his men were already complaining after fighting Porus it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for them to continue deeper in to India without getting slaughtered.
Yeah conquering India would have been almost impossible but I thought it was cool, I hope you liked it nonetheless
@@Videntis.History Yeah , but I think given Alexanders men complained the most after fighting in India it is also the least likely
@@BogalaSawundirisbecause they were so exhausted after fighting for 9 years btw alexander never gave them rest crossing jhelum was the biggest challenge for the Alexander's army
@@Mrinal-or3fu Uhh ... That is exactly my point. They got completely exhausted fighting Porus and after that only they started complaining. Alexanders army almost got their asses hand to them against Porus. And Porus was just one king out of the dozens of kingdoms of similar size to Porus's within interior Indian lands. Alexanders Armies knew what lied beyond what they just faced. If Alexander dared moved further inwards it would have been suicide. This is why their troops already exhausted by Porus AND years of fighting opted to take the easy way out.
@@BogalaSawundiris the same problem which alexander faced with porus wasn't with nanda empire if there wasn't a mutiny in Alexander's army they would've crushed the nanda emperor dhanananda just like Darius although alexander never gave his soldiers any rest for 9 years
I really enjoyed the video! I’m interested in a plans for a part 2.
Awesome! Thank you!
Seeing a part 2 for this would be awesome. I’m a huge fan of alternate history when it’s done well, and sir, you do it well.
thank you so much
Same, I love the animated ideas
This looks like a fever dream they can not possibly move that fast
Im just amazed as how good this channel is.
Great work, keep doing what you do!! When can I expect 2nd part?
working on it, it should be posted this weekend
A man could dream of such wonders 🥺
yeah, a truly blessed timeline
Amazing video Great work 👍
Thank you 👍
I like the video a lot. Keep making them; I'm gonna watch part 2!
I'm just gonna put a few things that I think are wrong, or I have opinions on, but I could be mistaken.
I understand if it's a lot lol
0:25 - "to the strongest" is likely the successors justifying their later actions. There are other versions where he says nothing and just falls into a coma. He likely had a will and gave Perdicass his signet ring; later reunited at his tomb by Caracalla.
1:30 - Good idea on the wine. Hopefully he doesn't adopt Aristotle's racism by being more attuned lol
2:35 - I'm sure another source claims he had already built a small fleet in the Persian gulf and had sent 3 sailing expeditions around and, eventually, to Eygpt. This was to scout out the Arabian coast for conquest and then, go circumnavigate Africa and meet up at the Pillars of Heracles. Arabia would also unite his Empire more effectively. Old ships had to stay near shore and could be taxed this way via visiting the trade cities/natural choke points. Since travel by sea was WAY faster and allowed for troop reinforcement, more trade, less language drift and stronger cultural consciousness/connection with dominant culture.
4:50 - Honestly, Alexander's love of symbolism makes me think he'll keep the capital in the centre of the empire. But, I imagine he'd do a Seleucus and make a new circular city and transfer the Babylonian population. The circle city because it was a time of radical city planning and was clearly an existing idea among engineers.
5:15 - At this point in history Crimea and most of the nearby city states were ruled by the Bosporan Kingdom. It was also Hellenistic; having a large population of settled Scythians. At the time we're at here the King had just conquered everything south of the Kuban river to the Causasus mountains. Thoughts of a canal from the Don to the Volga occur to me here. It'd connect the Med with his northern Persian and central asian states, while limiting Horsie-boy actions. I kinda think Alexander would do it due to an understanding of strategic placement for trade and defense; shown by his placement of cities + choice of natural barriers to set borders. But it's probably too far north at that point.
6:00 - I think he would have held off on invading Carthage until he deals with Italy. My reasoning is that Rome was actively attacking Greek cities; they just sacked and enslaved Neapolis(Naples). And Alexander's Uncle, the King of Epirus, was just killed by the Romans for helping those same Greek city states. That's a paddling! He'd get to Carthage after that and I'd imagine extend to the Alps for mountain protection and the best farmland in the region (Po river valley). I also wonder if he'll notice the form of "representative democracy" in Rome and adopt it in combination with the League system and the Satrap/Governor systems he currently worked with.
8:00 - Not sure of their names but the Romance of Alexander, where a lot Didorus' claims come from, claims that two of the tribes on the toe of Italy submitted to Alexander before his death. Beachhead + Troops!
9:30 - An offer of 5 acres and citizenship could migrate alot of poor city folk and people on crap land/owned by rich landowners. Also, based on what we know of the intellectual elite at this time, they saw they're gods as a representaion of the One unknowable god; Plato's Cave. So Alexander was, possibly a monotheist with no dogma, but knew that his uneducated subjects still believed things literally. Hence him taking part in all the God's of his people's while not seeing any issue; just different interpretations of the same thing. Syncretism + Monotheism!
Alexander would have been thrashed by Nanda Empire if we ventured any further in a manner similar to which Selucid's were thrashed by the Mauryans a few years later. Even Alexander's victory over Paurava (Porus) was a Phyricc victory, who was a king of a relatively very small kingdom. His troops refused to venture any further east because of all the loses they suffered at the hands of Porus and their morale was low.
he defeated Porus, and probably could have conquered all of India is he did not get sabotaged by his disloyal troops. I don't think I gave enough credit to India in the video though, and I did not explain well enough that Alexander was constantly enlargening his army and building up their strength from his entire empire
@@Videntis.Historyhis soldiers weren't disloyal they were so exhausted for continously fighting for 9 years
This was one of the best videos about Alexander the great i have ever seen, we need part two, and you need more subscribers. I hope that this comment will help the algorithm, so this video will see more people.
I am glad you liked the video, part 2 should be out this weekend
Well the scenario is extremely unlikely and provides Alexander a shit ton of luck to be undefeated in so many battles
Even though Alexander was a genius his victory over the Persians was majorly backed by the weakness of Persia at that particular period since Persia was in decline and faced constant civil wars and internal rebellion
nah, he would have crushed everyone, carthage and rome were way to weak to beat him, and with a bigger army, he would have conquered the whole world
In reality, he would have lost a very minor amount of battles (1-2 maybe or even none) but if we consider the fact that there weren't any other major powers to compete with him, the way his armies were structured and equipped, the manpower available to him, the whole Mediterranean being inhabited by Greeks, I am sure that he would have had no problem creating an empire stretching from Spain to India probably not as large the one in the video but still Enormous
So how about comparing a actually scenario were it worked out. The early Arab/Muslims did exatly that. They did overun Persia and the eastern Roman Empire and established their own empire. They were good at warfare no question but man they had a lot of Luck.
Both Persia and Rome had to deal with wars and internal struggles and the extremly deadly Justinan plague that depopulated the urban centers of the empires and destroyed the economies and paved the way in the long run. The arabian tribes united under a new Leadership on their peninsula and started their conquest with a Religion that was perfect to establish a new ruleing system based on the religions around them. You only had to pay an extra tax but could contiune your life as it was if you were from a religion of the book(for example Jews,Christians or Zorastians). No wonder they build an empire from the atlantic coast all the way to india in just 130years.
@@n.c.kupfermann1023but arabs mostly conquered very developed lands.
most western european lands at this time are sparesly populated woodlands, with the exception of carthage.
@@beanboi9156 I don't know if I understand what you want to say. "most western european lands at this time are sparesly populated woodlands, with the exception of carthage." In Antiquty during Alexanders Time? or at the end of the classic and start of the Medieval Period during the islamic expansion? Offtopic Carthage is in northwest africa in modern tunesia.
Good video really appreciated the visuals however i think this makes Alexander a little too strong? I don't think he could simultaneously invade several places and also, the Greek nobles hated him after he begun to adopt Bacteria culture
I disagree, Alexander was the best general in history. Nobody would have been able to stop him, the cultural aspects of the empire will explored in part 2
I'd say that conquering these places this easily is actually realistic since we're talking about MEGAS ALEXANDER but I think rather than merging people with each other they would've hellinized them since I don't think Greeks would've like the idea to be viewed as equals with barbarians and aristotle already told Alexander "to treat non-greeks like slaves" but not to do the same to Greeks and this is what happened in our time line where the new regions became so influenced by hellenism plus Greeks were protesting the adoption of some Persian costumes by Alexander so I don't think they would've liked the idea of becoming equals with barbarians.
But as always it was a great video. Thanks so much for putting the effort to make such beautiful videos.
And as of using clips of wars in videos. I personally don't like their usage since I think they look low quality but I'd suggest using painting since they look more elegant and go hand in hand with your mapping style, and of course I'd like a part 2.
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I will be going into detail on how the empire managed in the years after alexander's death. I probably will not use the battle clips in the future, but I want to see what people think
Alexander won't have been able to capture India.. India would be ruled by Chandragupta Maurya who inflicted a crushing defeat on Alexander's General and took Afghanistan from him
no, I explained in the video that by the time of his invasion, Chandragupta had already retired and given the throne to his son. But in all fairness, I think I did not give enough credit to the Indian military strength at the time
he never took afghanistan
I don't think he would have survived indian climate which was the reason of his return from India he would not be able to defeat mayurians
i would say the conquest of rome, due to it being such a militarized state even at this time, would have been a much tougher fight as you state. this mainly being due to the manipular system being able to be better maneuvered through the italian hills than a phalanx. perhaps the romans would be able to inflict losses similar to the pyrrhic war aswell.
Now this alt history will have a quote "All roads lead to Pella" rather than Rome
yeah, I will definitely include this in my next video, nice idea
Bro, this is really good. You really need to make a part 2 of this.
yeah, I am planning on publishing part 2 this weekend
@@Videntis.History while your at it, can you also make a What If Japan became Christian next?
Most underrated channel ever
thanks so much
This is a bit much of an Alexander the Great wish fulfillment story. It simply ain’t possible for an empire to control India and Iberia at the same time. Nor can culture and religion simply be “synchronized” in the course of a lifetime.
I will explore that in the 2nd part of the series, so stay tuned this weekend
I mean the mongols controlled Iraq and korea at one point
@@notengocreatividadparaunno1419 mongols controlled wastelands of central asia that made their size big. controlling India is not same. alexander barely won as a porus who a king of small kingdom. army of Alexander feared the Nanda empire and Maurya was much more bigger and stronger than nanda empire.
Love it!♥️. Great work and great quality.
Thanks so much
i can sorta imagine somehow Caesar growing up in this alternate timeline and working closely with the Alexander dynasty to becoming a great general conquering Gaul, large swaves of Germania and Britania, i mean I'm assuming Caesar stays pretty loyal and with lots of the Mediterranean being taken already only leaving north western Europe open i can see em focusing on conquering those lands
Ey could you do if the empire of Brazil survived
yeah, I will add it to my list
@@Videntis.History thanks
basicly the same as ehat happend, it was an empire to name but in reality it wasnt, no pudo solo contra paraguay, en un what if no cambia nada no se hubiese expandido o conseguido demasiado
Excellent video, my only criticism is the idea of Alexandros using a bow. To my knowledge the bow was never seen as a particularly glorious weapon in ancient Greece and Megas Alexandros was all about the glory. While I'm sure he knew how to use a bow, I think it would be far more in character for him to use a javelin. Again though, great video, about to watch part two.
Thanks so much for the kind words
After part 2, you should do what if the romans won at Yarmouk, this is the best alternate history channel I have ever watched.
Also when will there be a discord server
I didn't think about that, I will set one up this week, thanks for the idea
@@Videntis.History np
15:08 DID THEY JUST CONQUER THE TAMIL KINGS? NOBODY CONQUERS THE TAMIL KINGS!
Muhammad ibn tughlaq and Aurangzeb did and the nizams as well and the British.
@@megalodon3655 it’s a joke from bill wurtz video
@@megalodon3655Only British did that
Great work! I have a feeling this channel will blow up soon.
I hope so, thanks for the comment
Alexander Vs the Roman’s would’ve been an amazing war
Conquering Nubia is very and I mean very unlikely. Not even taking their Capital is likely to end in a conquest, they've moved it south due to northern aggression before.
And no Empire that wasn't based in Egypt has conquered it. Not Rome when Augustus lived, not the Cakiphate which has as much broken rapid conquest energy as Alex did and he certainly has not faced any army like Nubians famed to be able to target the eyes of their foes from a distance.
What if Philip of Macedon wasn't assassinated? Also if you do a part 2 I can see things going horribly wrong. When you try to force cultures together as one, well, look what happened with the Macabean revolts.
yeah, part 2 will be very different and show the downsides of the empire. I like the idea of Phillip living longer
Just like selucus, Alexander would lose against Mauryan
he may have, but I think his army would be much larger. This war would be very bloody and close, but over time, the Mauryans would lose imo
@@Videntis.History I doubt that, India has a complex geography, not too mention Mauryans are more familiar with the location and has homeground advantage, evenif Greek armies are bigger, Mauryans would chip them away bit by bit by waging guerilla war. Remember, Porus did not have a strong army but he still did massive e damage to Macedonians.
@@Videntis.History 😂 mauryan empire had 600k army with thousands of elephants good luck with winning mauryan were superpower in thier time till Ashoka the great
@@Videntis.History bro mauryan empire had over 6 lakh amry and 3000 war elephants what the military size are u talking😂
@@monsterchopper1613the only reason porus did that damage was because Alexander's army was unable to cross jhelum which gave porus an advantage
May he live a bit longer . Respect Greeks from Pakistan 🇵🇰🤝🇬🇷. Respect for Greek culture and their Mythology .
I’m glad you enjoyed it
I enjoyed this video a lot! It's a lot different than other videos I've seen about this topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A great Video!!! I love Alt-History! Keep up the GREAT WORK!!
Now I have an EU4 campaign idea...
Not imperator?
15:26
Bro, I cannot imagine this cursed image; Alexander Crossing Burma, Thailand, and Vietnam on his route to conquer China, Korea, and Japan
who knows, maybe his son, Alexander IV, will conquer the east in the 2nd video
@@Videntis.History I'll be waiting to see the Hellenistic larp
Well i dont think even alexander lived longer and again he marched his army on india its almost impossible to win on mauryans alexander army crushed by 250 war elephants of porus but chandragupta had 3000 war elephants and 6 lakh foot soilders and chandragupta him self a skilled warrior and beside all his master the great chanakya he would made a plan to defeat the alexander he could have barely can be lived when he tried to march on mauryans
Saying alexander would've conquered india is ridiculous especially when the nandas existed in north and kalinga, cholas, cheras and pandyas in south during the reign of alexander. Dhananand would've anhilated Macedonians if they dare to wage a war against nandas.
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l, its a alt history
Alexander would have left Haephastion in charge on his death bed had he still been alive, I think he was the last of the generals that knew him since childhood that he felt he could trust to carry out his ideals. People say he should have put Ptolemy in charge, but they forget that Ptolemy was apart of the crowd that felt Alexander had become too “Persianized” for his fellow Greeks to tolerate, he was also amongst those who criticized Alexander for calling himself “Zeus amon” and believing he was descendant from a god and then pretty much proved himself a hypocrite by calling himself a Pharaoh and living god himself, so he could rule over Egypt.
This is all assuming that Alexander would keep winning and have no rebellion in his territories, no plagues, no economic hardships of famines.
his generals would put down any rebellions that broke out
@@Videntis.History What if they didn't? Alexander traveled with his generals, if he left them there and more of his soldiers then he'd have less to invade with. We have to take in the Macedonian population, supplies and resources, how the populations of even civilization conquered by Alexander thought. We also have to take in the Strengths and weaknesses of Carthage and Rome at the time. Perhaps Alexander could or could not conquer them
@@Videntis.History man you are fanboy think logically
Hmmm. Interesting, and perfect, as speculative history ALWAYS is . . . but to me, this exercise was a lot like the old vaudeville joke: "If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs . . . IF we had some eggs." A lovely fairy tale . . . .
Yeah that’s what alt history is, a dream
@@Videntis.History Orrrrrrrr . . . a nightmare!
To explore the impacts and changes brought by Alexander's imperial ambitions, it means that his empire finally broken apart some generations later. And I would love to see how the great empire he built ended up being torn into pieces.
Suggestion: What if the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania survived?
yeah, very true, in part 2, I will explain how his empire began to falter in future generations. I like the idea for the PLC surviving.
@@Videntis.History Thank you for liking my comment and my idea!
One of my biggest questions in this idea, however, should the Tsardom of Russia be allowed to continue? Without Russia, there will be no conquests of Siberia and Circassia, no colonization of Alaska and no Crimean War. But most importantly, this leads to the question about how will Britain and France remained as each other's geopolitical rivals without going into direct war against each other? But what I do know is that it means no Prussia and this will allowed Austria-Hungary to be the one that unify Germany, there will be no Franco-Prussian War and France and the Commonwealth will most likely become each other's allies.
If he live longer he will change ENTIRE known history fr
Yay, I'm so happy for you, you finally got 1k subscriber. That's one step for man one leap for humankind or something like that😅
yeah, I have been told its the hardest milestone to reach, so hopefully i can keep up the pace, thanks for the comment
@Videntis.History 1k down my friend 1000000 left to go
Alexander taking over Nandas nah thats simply just not happening. Let alone Chandragupta Maurya lol
Idk how but just in a few videos you have becomed my favorite alternate history RUclipsr I really appreciate your effort in this videos
thanks so much
The best chance for this to happen is if Tumahab reincarnated into Alexander III and had the Temple of the Jrahn as well as the Annasyn Collective guiding and guaranteeing his success.
I also think the Greeks/Macedonians would had conquered the Veneti and the Cispine Gauls to connect Italy with the Balkans on land to have a road system that was as fully connected as possible.
I do agree that Alexander would see no reason to conquer Gaul proper and Noric Gaul, but it is possible his successors to see it as a potential target in the future, this would be well beyond Alexander IV's time. I see Alexander IV spending more time cementing Alexander III's legacy and using military might to thwart enemy advancements than taking the initiative to fight since the empire is deeply stretched out and new innovations would need to be made or cultivation of civilization on par with what exists before any further advancements of territory could be considered, which is why I said Gaul proper would be an ideal target in the future (Caesar's time) but not right now.
yeah, in part 2 I will explore the future of his empire and how the celts viewed them. What/who is Tumahab and the temple of Jrahn
Small correction: Carthago Nova had not yet been founded at that time, but rather a century later in 227 BC
Good imagination, dude. Although, the Greeks couldn't defeat neither the Porus, nor the Maurayan Empire.
It might have been possible to some extent in a different timeline.
Academically speaking of course.😅😂😂😂😂😂
stop watching bollywood films please haha
@@wankawanka3053 hi hi. you... watch Zadruga.
I liked this but it would be interesting to see a part two or three on what if the Alexendar dynasty continued with China, Africa, and then an accidental discovery of the Americas 1500 years earlier then in our timeline.
yeah, part 2 is almost done, it should be posted this weekend
bro what a banger video!
i love Big Alex, Alexander the Great!
i love what ifs.
youre took it to a very awesome space where his son joined in conquest as he wanted too with philip. and shown a light to me that he didnt kill him.
im glad you liked it
The Quality of your Videos has earned more then just a subscribe from me. Keep up the good work and excellent quality
Thanks for the nice comment
Seres was the Ancient Greek name for the "silk people", their land was called Serica (maybe originally referring to Xinjiang)
What if Alexander, Mehmed II, Nobunaga, Attila and Ogedei didn’t die scenarios are my wet dreams
I have videos about all of them on my list
Amazing video 🤟
Can't wait for part 2
- Alexander IV
- Alexander V
- civil war in hispania
- Gaul
It's amazing that Alexander was SO great that he could take over more land than the Roman Empire ever possessed in a single lifetime whilst never once dying by way of foreign diseases! XD
That being said, really liked this and will immediately watch part 2! xD
I would love to see part 2 as soon as possible.
A part 2 would be a great idea
I really love your content man, please keep it up. If I may voice on concern/criticism, after watching various videos I feel like you struggle with pacing, often a lot of events happen in a short time span.
This may just be me misunderstanding the exact reasoning, but for example the 1st Punic war took place over 20 years, and Rome was in its frontyard. It would be nice to get a more sophisticated explanation as to how Alexander would be able to challenge Punic naval dominance and conquer Sicily in a fraction of the time.
I hope you continue to make great content like this, and my criticism is meant positively if that makes sense. Maybe I am fundamentally wrong in regards to pacing, but I think you giving more detailed explanations would be a great addition.
Wish you all the best man, keep doing what you‘re doing.
yeah, i probably need to explain it better in future videos. Alexander's campaign into the Mediterranean lasted 16 years, which I don't think is super short. I will work on pacing, and emphasizing the time better in the future, thanks for the feedback
12:28 they can’t conquer the highlands!
I agree, I briefly mentioned in the video that they did not really have control over the tribes, instead they signed a treaty to "make them a satrap" but they had no control over them
@@Videntis.History yes on the lowland Beja’s but Highlander Habesha tribes are unruly and violent and require a large army to subjugate which isn’t worth it.
@@Zeyede_Seyum very true
Watering down your wine is not a “Hellenic Tradition” It was adopted by the Hellenes when they arrived in Europe, not created by them.
Oh ok, I just learned something new, thanks, I hope you enjoyed the video nonetheless
@@Videntis.History I sure did. Well constructed and concise videos, keep it up!
What if Alexander's uncle Alexander of Molossis had won the battle of Pandosia in southern Italy? Instead he was defeated and killed by the Lucanians and Bruttians two Italic tribes. Had he won he might have set up a rival empire to Alexander in Italy and the west.
In my opinion what would happen would end with more chaos and instability then what happened historically
After conquering the east Alexander future plans were to conquer Rome because they were rising in power also his father was planing after the persians to conquer rome, that was the initial plan but Alexander fascinated with the stories of the ancient greek mythological heroes he wanted to walk at their footsteps.
Would his empire be bigger than the Mongol, I genuinely have no idea cos it looks at least bigger than Rome
I think this video is borderline offensive and very misleading on the strength of the Mauryan Empire, Chandragupta was not some random idiot, he was literally an Indian legend and one of the greatest leaders India ever had. I don't know this period of unrest you are talking about but Chandragupta's reign, and the Maurya Empire, set an era of immense economic prosperity, reforms, infrastructure expansions, and tolerance of all religions on the entire subcontinent. I highly doubt that Alexander would have been able to take on the Mauryan empire, it was one of the greatest if not the greatest empire India had ever seen! It unified the entire Indian subcontinent! The Mauryan Army, the largest standing military force of its time, supported the expansion and defense of the empire. According to scholars, the empire wielded 600,000 infantry, or foot soldiers, 30,000 cavalry, or soldiers on horseback, and 9,000 war elephants.
Chandragupta was also a military tactical genius, In fact Chandragupta Maurya crushed one of Alexander's best generals Seleucus Nicator in the Seleucid-Mauryan war and Seleucus had ceded the Hindu Kush, Punjab and parts of Afghanistan to Chandragupta Maurya. Not to mention Chandragupta married Seleucus' daughter.
agree..but these moron always try to exaggerate western and greek empires as greatest and demeans others
Many people here think they understand history and war, apart from all the small details, the big picture with India being part of the Empire is very realistic. After all, India is the ultimate possession and Alexander was the ultimate ruler. Yes maintaining India would have been impossible, but conquering it would have been a worthy challenge for him.
I'd love to see a part two as well!
should be posted this weekend
Excellent video. I am waiting for part 2 for sure keep going.
The reality is that such a network of roads and mixing the populace would tremendously contribute to the emergence and spread of diseases and outbreaks and other global issues, resulting in an extreme unstability and states would crumble/become independent one way or another. Such an empire wouldnt last past 10 years. I highly doubt he would ever want to conquer more lands after India, he already conquered everything significant and his empire needed administration and stabilization, not gaining new lands.
he would have lost in india first
Pretty good video man. I will say this however. I'm not saying Alexander wouldn't have been able to achieve this level of success but the literal bane of the Phalanx came in the form of Roman Legionnaires striking in packs at their flanks. I imagine that when Alexander and his men get to Rome they'd lose a battle or two before being outplayed or outmanned. (Think of it like a pyrrhic victory) Obviously they'd win regardless due to manpower if Rome is in the state as it's depicted here. But i'd like to imagine that afterwards, Alexander would phase out the Phalanx or at the very least implement some form of Heavy Legionnaire equivalent into his army. Overall excellent video man.
Alexander won't have been able to capture India.. India would be ruled by Chandragupta Maurya who inflicted a crushing defeat on Alexander's General and took Afghanistan from him
The crucial part of the success of macedonian phalanx was hetairoi cavalry, which was in a weakened/non existant state during the roman-macedonian wars. Phalanxes with the combination of hetairoi during its peak would have a great chance of crushing the roman legions
I'd like to think there would be small break away states from Macedonia (mainly in India) after Alexander's death but they'd be brought back into the fold after a bit.
yeah, there would definitely be some civil wars after his death, so look out for part 2 to see what happened
@@Videntis.History 👀
selecud tried got defeated by chandragupta and married his daughter to chandragupta
What if the first crusade was focust on Spain instead of the middle east Levant Egypte
nice idea
He has done Justinian, Alexander, Italy, the Vandals, Poland, Early italy, Athens, America, and the Carolingians.
But can he also do: "Otto I of the Holy Roman Empire in being successful in centralizing the HRE."
Not to mention: "Swedish Victory at the Great Northern War" and "Napoleon I's Victory in Europe."
There is also English Victory over France during the 100 years war and French Victory over England during Louis VIII should he also proceed to formally conquer and incorporate the Kingdom.
There is also the prospect of King Stephen outright defeating Empress Matilda.
Habsburg conquest of England during Philip II with the invasion of the Grand Armada.
Also what if Harold Hadrada was successful in conquering England as well as Harold Godwinson being victorious against both Harold Hadrada and William of Normandy.
Lastly, what if Cyrus the Great didn't lose to the Massagetai or what if Ramses II conquered the Hittites and built up the Near East so there was no Bronze Dark Age?
Alexander whould have made it happen... his legendary cavalry companions- silver shields were to broken and he used them so efficiently it was impossible to face defeat. All his battles were an all in momentum pownages.
Nice video 👍 but I don't think alexander would be able to defeat chandragupta so easily , he barely won against porus who was just a chieftain not a king and the nanda empire had a huge army , this is why some roman text suggest that alexander didn't cross jhelum and fought the nandas , later selucus nictaor tried against chandragupta but lost . Sadly I have never seen any youtuber cover alexander from India's point of view , he is not considered important by Indians but selcus is mentioned a lot. Nice alternate 👍 history though.
At that point, Chandragupta had vacated his crown and was living like a hermit, so they recalled him, and he was not up to the task. I am glad you liked the video and I hope that made sense
@@Videntis.History his son bindusara was just as capable as chandragupta
Sehr Interessant, aber bevor sich Alexander der Große nach Westen wenden würde, hätte Er Arabien erobert, was ja schon beschlossene Sache war.
This would make such a great setting for a novel
At faster playback speed it's hard to understand you, voice kinda cracks or dims. Subtitles worked though, so it's fine.
Yeah I need to sort out my audio
Happy 1k Subscribers!
Thanks! 😃 this has gone way quicker then i imagined
@@Videntis.History No problem I love your alternate history and I can't wait to see more!
You need to continue this as part of a much larger series.
Part two is already out
This video feels more like fanfiction rather than a realistic scenario lmao still a entertaining video tho
Aka what if we just imagine a massive power fantasy and Alexander’s wet dream.
Yep, pretty enjoyable.
Yeah kinda
What if Alexander had named his mother Olympias as his successor?
The video is good but a little unrealistic because of how Alexander conquer places do fast with no loses no rebels and Persia whould be hard to control due to how large it is even the Roman empire didn't stand a chance from rebels so Macedon whould sometime would fall unless there someone that manage to control the people
Like Genghis Khan said it's easy to conquer but hard to make the people stable and not rebel but good video