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Yeah but why is it MANY these regular looking Mexicans in Texas are as racist and more racist towards black Americans than most white people I've met?! And I was told by some Mexicans that dark Mexicans and black Mexicans are discrimated against by regular looking Mexicans.. So I say it's no such thing as black Mexicans.. They're just black people... even could be Africans that wounded up in Mexico,and started speaking Mexican language..
@@joseluisnietoenriquez6122 Even Spaniards can have very tanned skin color! My brother, an aunt and a sister all traveled to Spain (on separate trips), and after viewing hundreds of their photographs of the local Spaniards, I concluded that yes, some are fair, but many are light to medium olive tan skin, and actually some were even what I would call “dark”, and yes, they were Spanish natives, even the darker ones! Hey, I’m a Mexican American and I absolutely LOVE MY TANNED SKIN, even if others don’t! Who in the h*ll cares what some ignorant individuals think, they’re NOT God. MEXICANS ARE TANNED BROWN PEOPLE, AND THATS JUST FINE!! 😄
🇪🇸Por favor más seriedad con los españoles y dejad vuestra frustración racial para vosotros. ¿ qué cuento es ese de unos pocos son claro? España es un país de blancos caucásicos. Yo soy uno de ellos.
I'm Irish and we are Celtic and my people went through genocide in Ireland because of the English.. When my people came to America we were slaved and discriminated against and many Irish soldiers called the San Patricios fought proudly on Mexicos side during the Mexican American war... I will never be whitewashed and label myself by a skin color it's ridiculous... Celts are the ancestors of Spaniards. They were probably the largest ethnicity that contributed their genes to nowadays Spaniards, along with other Mediterranean peoples collectively known as Iberians. ERIN GO BRAGH 🇮🇪 MÉXICO PARA SIEMPRE 🇲🇽
Do You view Yourself as European? If so then yes, that's what White means, not even Skin Color or features necessarily as tanning and Melanin deficiency exist, but if you're of pure European descent, which both Spainiards and Iberians are, all be it lower Mediterranean Euros, but regardless, and ofcourse Irish Scots DNA mix than Yes You are a White European, Anglos did however argue that Irish People, because of the Moors and Arabs in Spain, that they viewed the Irish as a mixed up Negro Race, just as with the Spanish Greek Romanians Italians Sicilians Poles and even Finns with the Urals and all that stuff, but it's also possible to be 100% of all those Ethno Euro Races and Nationalities and yours included and still fall under the Caucasian Umbrella, Japanese could never be White despite how Pale they are because they don't trace Ancestry back to Europe, Im Italian 🇮🇹 by the way Half Italian North Half Sicilian
Celtic 8:20 experts say Irish, Scottish basque it’s the other white race with the negative blood from somewhere else, first nation, Celtic, the colors of God, green, white and red
@@n0110 Well I was born in county Cork Ireland and I will never be whitewashed it's ridiculous plus I'm not going to label myself as you see fit I'm me and I am proud of who I am.
I know Mexican story I just didn't know the celts were the ancestors to the Spaniards. I guess if we all go back far enough we will find we all share the same parents 🤷🏼♀️
disgust is a way of making sure your food doesn't harm you, you know what your body likes and thinks is safe and what is not, but then we end up using it for other purposes, like on people. It's a way of putting them down.
@@a.r.tavares1322 i believe the diary is something they talk about but could be fake. I am sure he wrote alot , but he was jewish and so where everyone else in the boat, so the church didn't like him and most likely changed the story into him being italian. Look it up, jewish people write alot about columbus and nothing like what we heard. The catholics where not clean, the jews where and they wanted to be the opposite, so if you where clean, they would consider you a non christian. Kind of sick. when was this ? i am not sure because the pests must have caused them to change. Even when did operations, they didn't clean their hands and caused problems.
The dirty beings are still Caucasians. Many of my white coworkers do not bathe and just use deodorant which results in a disgusting mix of strong body oder and deodorant and cologne. They're adamant that bathing is bad for you. Thank you to all people who are clean and bathed.
My Mexican American Grandparents went to school in Texas in the 1940s and 50s. If a teacher heard the kids speaking Spanish at all to anyone including each other the kids would get paddled as a punishment and made fun of. Because of that my Grandma never taught her kids Spanish and didn’t want them to learn it so they would not go through what she did as a kid.
This is true. My parents didn't want us to go thru this either in the 60's. We were born in 50's with very American names. ❤Mostly American actors and actresses. When we went to school we did witness kids who spoke Spanish being paddled by mainly white teachers. My parents didn't teach us Spanish. Even our last names were pronounced differently and spelled differently. So they sounded very American English. We were told to go back to our Country. Not to speak Spanish. Sit in the back of the room. Learn how to speak English because this is America. There were no bilingual teachers,police officers,etc. My sister came home one day and was taking a bath. She was using a scrub brush and cleanser to to clean herself. She rubbed her skin raw. They told her that she was dirty because of the color of her skin. That she was a dirty Mexican. That only white people can come to school. So she tried to wash her skin white. Back then everyone stayed within their own ethnicity groups. Because of the prejudice. There were a lot of rules that our parents had us follow and curfews. It was really bad back then for all minorities. Always be proud of who you are and where you come from. Don't lose or give up your cultural heritage for anyone.
@@brandonmireles3249 No those are Spanirds. Spain is, clearly, far more of a mestizo nation (if that term is ever properly to be used) than is Mexico. (1) The Spanish people speak a totally borrowed language, a dialect or branch of Italo-Latin mixed with many thousands of Arabic words. Very few words of the indigenous Hispano-Iberic language remain in use. (2) The culture of Spain is a complex mixture of Latin-Italic, North African, Middle Eastern, Greek, Gitano (Gypsy), and other characteristics, with very few indigenous (pre-Roman) traits remaining, except among the Basques and Gallegos. (3) Racially, the modern Spaniard probably carries relatively few indigenous genes, the latter having been greatly overwhelmed by Carthaginian, Celtic, Latin-Roman, Germanic, Arab, Moorish, Berber, Jewish, black African, and Gitano intermixture.
Federico Navarrete, Historian, Anthropologist UNAM - Between 1821 and 1910: 3.5 million Indigenous people were categorized as Mestizo. •By the time the Mexican census of 1930 took place: 30% of the entire Mexican population who has been categorized as Indigenous, was now categorized as “Mestizo.” Historians argue that this was also done to repress “Casta Wars” and erase the power of the Indigenous population. The white elites feared that they would lose power. •Mestizaje was not a racial reality but rather a “massive linguistic displacement.” Indigenous people were whiten through language and culture markers, not racial.
When I joined the army, there was no box to check off for being Mexican American. I was told by my recruiter to check the Caucasian box, and Native American box.
The only true mexican are indigenous and Indigenous/ Spanish. Everyone else is just a citizen of Mexico. Mexico was already established before the foreigners came in.
Everyone wants hispanics to be multiracial. No, the indigenous are the real people. Everyone else just a foreigner. Quite trying to change the racial identity of the indigenous in the America's. What race was there before the invaders and their baggage.
No Hispanic and Latino is not a race, just a category for us indigenous people of Latin America. Being Mexican really pronounced mehsheeka is not just a race it's a bloodline of a tribe. Yeah, there are white,Asian, black, etc mixed mehsheeka people, but the bloodline and name belong to the mehsheeka people. So if you identify as mexican or part mexican connect to your indigenous roots. Erase that colonial state of mind. 🪶✊🏽
I remember growing up in the 70s in the Rio Grande Valley South Texas. Lots of people including the white folks, spoke Spanish. I never did see a lot of them around, though. Some , not all were racist as hell and there's no way I believed when they said they had Indian blood. If their descendants were that racist their great great grandpa's were 10 times worse. I know they didn't date Mexican boys or girls.
My Grandma was born in South Dakota. Her mom moved them to California after husband/dad died in the early 30s. My Grandma was 10 and didn't speak any English, she spoke only Plautdieutsch (a sort of/kind of German dialect). The public school refused to enroll her because she didn't speak English, so her mom enrolled her in the Seventh-Day Adventist school, which took her, but put her in the 1st Grade (she should've been 4th Grade), telling her through her older brother (he learned English in high school in South Dakota) that she would stay in the 1st Grade for the rest of her life until she learned English. These policies were pretty universal in treating everyone "different" with the same treatment.
@@nikolausepp8093 Did the government abduct those German children from their home and family from all over South Dakota, and physically and mentally brutalize them for speaking their language.
I have 60% Native American DNA and 40% European, and yet much of American society and myself considers me to be Native American. Ironically I see so-called Mestizos or Latinos with probably 70% Native DNA, even full blood Indigenous folk, be called either Mestizo or Latino by the Latin American hierarchy/Spanish caste system, and even the American Government/society. To me, this forcing a Eurocentric terminology on to Brown People is deeply anti-Indigenous culture and identity, these are genocidal policies and mainstream mislabeling. I'm not telling anyone to label themselves Indigenous, I may encourage you, but you do as you please, but be aware of the genocidal history created by caste systems.
Native American came to be known as descendants of Europeans born in the Americas if you go back through the definitions. So if a person has 70% or 40% native, it’s going by ethnicity which is a type of mix. Haplogroups which goes by mitochondrial DNA shows that many natives are Asians born in the Americas and mestizo is also a type of mix typically coming from Asian moms with European dads although some have European moms and Asian dads. The haplogroups that again go by the mitochondrial DNA which is the X from the mom that both female XX and male XY offspring carry, shows that haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N and X are all Asian or Eurasian haplogroups and those also branch off of L3 which is the same lineage as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, and Canaanites etc. The Roman’s were also from those lineages, and the Roman’s from where Latin comes from which is also a root of the ROMANce languages including Spanish are where the natives who are descendants of Europeans born in the Americas come from. Again modern Native American is a type of mix and it’s similar to Mestizo. So haplogroups reflect what has been outlined. Also indigenous is not always interchangeable with native as it can also be status.
@@mariagaganta4925 The caste system was used in many places, but is well known in India as well as parts of the Americas. It shows depictions of how to obtain racial whiteness or becoming a better class based on whitening which in Latin America was known as blanquimiento. The Wht-Europeans wanted to Whitewash the places they colonized. It is known in India as well where there was a class system and the dark Indians were considered less desirable than the white ones and it still continues today, bleaching is very popular in parts of Asia and has spread around the world including places like South Africa where the Indian population is very high and it’s has spread to the Americas. In the 1800’s European were brought to the Americas in large numbers to help with the blanquimiento (whitening) of the Americas after slavery began to go down. During slavery many women were gRaped as a way to create more slaves and lessen the melanin in the Americas. So you can go over more on your own, but that is some of what the caste system is and there were depictions to go with it.
The history of segregation against Mexicans is not widely known, yet for decades Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were not allowed to go to movie theaters unless they sat in the balcony and they were not allowed to enter swimming pools over the weekend while white people swam. They had to wait until Mondays “when the water was dirty and after we got in the pool they would take out the water and put new water in for the white children,” Mendez said. Public schools were also segregated. There were “whites only” schools and Mexican schools. In 1945 when the Mendez kids were rejected from enrolling in their community school, Gonzalo Mendez, Sylvia’s father, took the issue to court. Mendez v. Westminster became the first case in U.S. history to rule on desegregation, forcing schools in Orange County to integrate in 1947. The landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that later ended legal segregation in all public schools nationwide used some of the arguments used in the Mendez case.
Did u know before the. Anglos came to these states Mexicans. Where segregated from one another practically all the Mexican governors of California New Mexico etc where Spaniards born in the new world 🌎 California New Mexico. Etc they were wealthy and had all the political. Power where the natives and mestizos where underneath. There still was segregation even when these lands belonged to Mexico
@@jamesbond8348 ok first of all. Back in the days racial groups stayed with their own people's. Mexicans stayed with Mexicans and whites stayed with whites and blacks stayed with blacks in 50s 60s 70s 80s and further back. White people were not as racist towards Mexicans as they were towards black. And Mexicans and whites have a long history together going back before the Alamo. My Mexican grandfather's grandmother's mother was white Irish woman. My dea has black kids but I don't like them because they're black. White Mexicans and blaxicans don't get along because there is a racial issue . Just like some Mexicans and black Dominicans hate black Americans. I just hide it better in public
To the creator, i think you missed a large piece of this story by not connecting it to the history of California, especially the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The case didn't just involve CA law but also federal law and treaty law. When Mexico signed the treaty with the US to end the war, they knew how Africans and indigenous people were treated and did not want the Californios and other Mexican citizens to suffer the same fate. In the treaty they negotiated that those of Mexican ancestry needed to be treated as equal to whites, that the superior position of women in Mexican society be recognized, and the land rights as well. So when the Lemon Grove case came up, the ruling was directly affected by this, as the Mexican-American children by law and treaty were equal and needed to be treated as such. No segregation allowed. This is also why we have the census distinction of white-Hispanic and white- non Hispanic. The treaty is also why CA was one of the first states(maybe the first) where women got half in a divorce, because that was Mexican law before the war. Sadly only a handful of the most powerful families held on to their land after the gold rush. Most got swindled out of their land through malicious misrepresentation of Mexican era diseños. Mexican Americans definitely weren't treated equally, but got a fairer shake than other groups. I think this court case is also directly connected to the forced migration of a half a million Mexican-American citizens from the Southwest to Mexico in the 1930s.
Interesting I never knew this. My Grandfather told Me when he got on the Bus to Basic Training in WW2 they got mad at him for going to the back of the bus and yelled at him to sit up front My Birth Certificate says Caucasian which I am clearly not. I don't know about census though as I don't recall participating in one.
@@DEADIKATED I am 53 and haven't ever actually participated in the census. If you haven't ever participated directly, they use info from tax returns and whatnot to fill in places they don't have information for.
I’m 3rd generation Mexican American and since I was a child in the 1960’s, I’ve never thought of myself or others whose ethnic origins are from Mexico, as “white” because the definition of “white” is: peoples from northern, central (which includes Spain) and Eastern Europe who do NOT have any mixture of indigenous Latin American tribes in their genetics. I definitely do have indigenous genetics in my dna and I would NOT consider myself “white”. The vast majority of people who have any ancestors from Mexico have at least “some” indigenous blood, and that is just a FACT. And, it’s A-OK to have indigenous dna, to individuals who ONLY want to emphasize the “Spanish”! To not include the indigenous genetics is to buy into an old racist attitude that a Mexican American must be “ashamed” of the non Spanish part of him/her. That’s a bunch of BS! Get a backbone, people!!
See he a real one,any Latin person, putting white or black before Latino,has already lost,even Mexican American no such thing,your either Chicano or proud American,cause ain't no English in Mexico,most don't speak Spanish here,and if there is white Latinos,why they can't easily get to,Arizona,New Mexico, California,Oregon,the whole west was there's at one point,why they people not letting them come across a border to the same land thats there's?see what I'm talking about,your one thing in this life,can't be 2 different things and be accepted,jus denied on both sides💯💯💯,if they weren't they would be like Canada,no one stopping them being from Minnesota never even seen them try,whole different story for them brown folk south tho!.
@mightychild1057 lol what is a Latino ? I don't care about the "white" part, but what do you mean putting black before black ? The difference is that most of the so called "black people" don't choose our ethic/race from the language that we speak. So if a "black" person who speaks whatever language, they are going to know who they really are first. But Spanish speaking people that are not of Spain, really love putting themselves as Spaniard people, it like they hate who they really are, and really wants to be white Spaniards. Spanish is not even y'all real language. FBA people speaks on the fact on how Europeans stripped us of our true language's but Spanish speaking people love it
When the wife and I took my mother-in-law to Spain she didn’t understand why there so many “Mexican.” I must emphasize she is the least racist person you will ever meet, but her upbringing caused to view anyone with a darker shade of skin than her as not White; therefore her confusion. The sad thing is a lot of White Americans have been raised like. Italian Americans only recently became White because of politics.
White Americans need to strip our connection and ties to the land by all means necessary! If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us and at the same time they are claiming and naming themselves as the righteous owners ordained by god of these precious lands that are the Mexikah Nations homelands. Remember these lands are now the eropeans country. But they will NEVER be there homelands!
I think Italians were considered "white-ethnics" back then. IE they were white but not "WASP" white. Plus, yes Italians were abused back then, along with Irish. v_v But you might be considered Latino, though. I know one older Mexican-American man, in his 70s, that regards Italians and Italian-Americans as Latino but not Hispanic.
@hcalo. Correction, Mexicans are North Americans because we belong to the northern part of America with Spanish speaking, therefore, our geographical designation is or should be a native of America from the North American part with the demonym of Mexican due to the name of our country which is called United Mexican States
@@renoirnorweigan2917 No, no sois norteamericanos porque lo que se usa para dividir el continente es el Mar Caribe, y como vuestra costa este está íntegramente en el Caribe sois centroamérica y por el oeste vuestra frontera norte y sur coincide exactamente con la placa de Nazca, otra división de centroamérica y encima vuestras tribus aborígenes eran mesoamericanas, por tanto más centroamericanos que nadie. Que tengáis unos kilómetros en el norte no significa nada como EEUU tiene Florida en el Caribe. Por la misma regla Cuba entonces sería norteamericana. Así que ya lo sabéis, así se ha estudiado siempre en Europa, solo vosotros con vuestro complejo pretendéis ser lo que no sois, gringos.
My wife’s grandmother is a Bonila and was part of the lemon grove incident. They all grew up on olive street. Glad to see this incident doesn’t get erase from history.
@@sanjsanj75 Because we are not in Spain anymore and most Mexicans are predominately Native/Indigenous. Also one was forced upon while the other was already here.
@@ntl5983 Same thing as Spniardnization - although somewhat have different ideologies, both uphold the same whyte suprėmåcy ideology at the end of the day.
This made me sad for many reasons, but the fact that a ten year old had to testify to prove he was worthy of receiving an education is insane. And a ten year old being a representative for anyone but himself is awful.
This is a history channel and I’ve been exploring the legal definition of white in America and how it has changed over time. These are court cases available to the public to look at. I’m curious about it, but it doesn’t mean you have to be.
@nytn I find these things interesting as well. And I find it interesting how the term "whiteness" or being "white" has changed throughout history. One very interesting thing I found was how there were jewish people here in the states from the very beginning who has always been considered white and accepted by the first white settlers and were never segregated yet the Irish catholics were
@@colinchampollion4420 not impossible but more likely from Indigenous ancestry given the demographics of Mexico (70-90% of people are of mixed Indigenous descent).
@@colinchampollion4420 sure. Some Mexicans have Spanish ancestry hundreds of years ago. These people would be regarded as mixed-race or brown in most US spaces.
We have worst racism and classism in Mexico.They actually have maids with their own room and they can’t eat in the dining room they are exploited and discriminated
@@jesssmalls6623 Yes my mother tells me horror stories as well as positive I wish she had more experience so she can write a book but she only did it for 15 years
I'm America Chicano. My mother was born in Mexico, and my father is lipan Apache from McAllen TX, I'm always amazed about how so-called mexican Americans segregated us half breeds and it’s still happening to this day. No one talks about that segregation.
I grew up in Texas, and my friends who were mixed native (Apache, Comanche, etc) and Spanish called themselves Chicano because their ancestors never lived in Mexico, and therefore they could not be considered Mexican-American. I supposed they could be called Hispanic or Latino, but most of the ones I knew had very little (if any) Spanish blood. Unfortunately, most (but not all) had forgotten which tribes in Texas their ancestors came from.
The most intriguing thing about this story is the fact that there are Mexicans of various ethnicities (white, black, indigenous, Asian).The people who made this classification wanted to put different groups together and put them in the same box.
Asian is an ethnicity and ethnicities are types of mixes and indigenous is a status. There are black, white and mixed and just as their are different types of white, there are also different types of black. The mixed were known as Arab or Arab-Mamzer depending on the mix. If the dad mixed with a different nation from his own then that child would be known as Arab-Mamzer if a woman of a nation mixed with a different nation of man from her own then her child would be Arab as Arab means mixed, but mamzer means illegitimate. The Illegitimacy comes from the child being a different nation than the dad and illegitimate in his nation. Nations go by the mom and tribes by the dad. Haplogroups go by mitochondrial DNA and that is the X chromosome each person carries from their mom. Tribes come under nations. Also native came to be known as descendants of Europeans born in the Americas. Mestizo is a type of mix typically of Asian moms and European dads. Roman’s who were Latin were Eurasian later some became Greco-Roman as there were those of Asian moms and European dads and others with European moms and Asian dads . The Roman’s were occupiers of Hebrew lands. Prior to Italy they were in Greece and prior to that Eurasia with many being from Asia. Haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N, and X are all Asian or European and the branch off of L3 which is the same lineage as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Canaanites etc. from Genesis 10 with Ham and his wife. Also Japheth was occupying the land of Shem from Genesis 9:27 and Shem and his wife are the lineage of the Hebrews which is also where the Israelites are from. So nations go by the mom and tribes by the dad. Tribes come under nations just as Israelites are originally Hebrew with the exception of those who produced mamzer children that would be illegitimate.
@@culturalobserver8721 Asian is not a race, it’s a type of mix and a location so that could be ethnicity. Also Asians would descend from the same line of family and maternally they descend from L3 haplogroup which is a Hamitic line although there are some Japhethic branches as Ham and Japheth’s lines mixed. Haplogroups M and N descend from L3 by the way. So they may have taken different migration routes, but their dna still shows that Asians are types of Hamitic mixes which would make them ethnicities and not race.
Tell that, to a hole lott of self-hating, useful idiots. In the Mexican-American community, since trump became President, and starting talking sh1t, many chicanos, started deny their ethnically Mexican.
It depends how light skinned they are, and if they have Caucasian features or not. There’s definitely white Mexicans, I know this because I’m one myself.
@@robertrobles4028Then you know most white Mexicans live in the North, and they stopped coming in large numbers over a decade ago. It's mostly people from Southern parts, who have more indigenous blood and features.
A documentary about Mexico and one of the tribe elders said *"Mexicans don't think like native Mexican, they think with the mind of their colonizers."* We have history and the Mexican-American war tells that we were already here in California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming. Lastly, another quote *"We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"*
@@derp3305 It happens. Native here…mentioned ‘Mexican’ to a very dark skinned friend while in the military. He said, “I’m not fkn Mexican, I’m SPANISH, man”. I had to LOL.
@@Teresa-y7t The problem is we don't know ourselves because we were stripped of our identity of Natives. Go and see the surviving tribes in Mexico and learn from them because we were them once. Heck, I discovered the Chichimeca tribe because my auntie had stories that she was told by older folks and there remaining ancestors that hid gold near the river beds under rocks.
I've been hearing these words from my dad's teachings, and just talking to people. If you remember the documentary you're quoting, could you please share it? Thank you
Mexicans were never "white" some Mexicans have mostly European ancestry making them "white" but Mexican is a nationality not an ethnic group. And even the term "white" is arbitrary and inaccurate. I have family who have lived in Mexico since the id 1800s but we are European (I'm 6'4" with green eyes and had blonde hair as a kid). Remember there are a mutitude of ethnic groups within most nationalities and these cannot be accurately be categorized by vague terms like "white" or "Brown" etc.
@@espada9 Mxican is a Nahuatl word which derives from Mexica. Spain is, clearly, far more of a mestizo nation (if that term is ever properly to be used) than is Mexico. (1) The Spanish people speak a totally borrowed language, a dialect or branch of Italo-Latin mixed with many thousands of Arabic words. Very few words of the indigenous Hispano-Iberic language remain in use. (2) The culture of Spain is a complex mixture of Latin-Italic, North African, Middle Eastern, Greek, Gitano (Gypsy), and other characteristics, with very few indigenous (pre-Roman) traits remaining, except among the Basques and Gallegos. (3) Racially, the modern Spaniard probably carries relatively few indigenous genes, the latter having been greatly overwhelmed by Carthaginian, Celtic, Latin-Roman, Germanic, Arab, Moorish, Berber, Jewish, black African, and Gitano intermixture. Go more far back, and Eropeans have 3 common ancestors, indigenous hunter-gatherers, and the other 2 of them is Middle Eastern farmer DNA and Eurasian Steppe. Lounes Chikhi, from University College London, and colleagues estimated that Middle Eastern farmers contributed roughly 50 per cent of the analysed genes to modern European populations. Since modern-day northern Europeans descended in large part from the Corded Ware culture and therefore have more steppe ancestry than first-farmer ancestry. The modern populations with more Yamnaya-derived ancestry are, if I remember it correctly, the Norwegians and the Scottish. Those features you speak of originated from the Near East and brought into Erope. Studies have suggested that the two genes most associated with lighter skin colour in modern Europeans originated in the Near East and the Caucasus about 22,000 to 28,000 years ago, and were present in Anatolia by 9,000 years ago.
They have a conundrum here with us Mexicans. If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us.
@@ignaciovarga3162 History brainwashes, the truth on books of who you are. seek your true identy research your ancestors comune with your acestors,elders they are your history and books fallow and see your bloodline to the begining why you are here in the americas.
Mi Papá es mexicano y mi mamá es americana. Soy nacido y Creiado en los Estados Unidos. My dad is Mexican and my mom is American. I’m born and raised in the U.S. I am an American. Mexican is nationality, not a race. I need a passport to go into Mexico, why? Because Mexico isn’t my country of birth. As far as I know the Mexican American title is for people who hold dual citizenship. I could be wrong but this was explained to me by a college professor, which makes sense. Although you have the right to call yourself whatever you want, that’s the beauty of this country.
White Americans need to strip our connection and ties to the land by all means necessary! If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us and at the same time they are claiming and naming themselves as the righteous owners ordained by god of these precious lands that are the Mexikah Nations homelands. Remember these lands are now the eropeans country. But they will NEVER be there homelands!
I was told by my parents ( God Rest their souls) that we worked for our things and we also had to compete with all the Anglos in school to go on to higher education. We weren’t taught VICTIMHOoD via the color of your skin . We were blessed to be born on this side of the border and contributed to SOCIETY. White is on the birth certificate while I’m usually peanut butter lookin
@bucvet1979 cuz we are White! my birth certificate states that I am White sooo is my DNA test results ! it just took one stroke of the might pen of congress to indoctrinate that fact
As a Mexican I would NEVER say I’m white even though I’m light skinned but many people from Jalisco are light skinned however, that doesn’t make us Caucasian.
Well according to the women in this video, you are now Caucasian. It’s funny too because when I close my eyes and listen to her talk she sounds like a blonde sorority girl. I guess she’s white now.🤷♂️
As a light skin “guero” Mexican, unless you are pure indigenous like Zapotec, Mixteca, Cora, etc, your race is Caucasian. Whether you feel it or not, your genes say you are Caucasian just like me. Own up to your Caucasian race and be proud of your American and Mexican culture like my children.
Thank you, your historical research is very much appreciated by this person. Just a note, I've been re-searching "our" hidden history since 2005 when I took the first of 4 DNA test divulging to me that I was not "Spanish" the way we were raised! I actually have only 20% Spanish, I have more Portuguese than Spanish DNA with also 24% African and 19% native American/Taino DNA both of these I knew nothing about. All this was a total surprise, but I also learned, I found a birth certificate or documentation that my father's ancestry from 1620. My mother is mostly NA and African with about 30% Portuguese. What I'm getting at aren't most Mexicans have a very high NA percentage and now I know that many so called "Hispanics" have high % of African and NA DNA. Personally, I do not use the word "Hispanic" as basically my father's people are 300+ years removed from Europe, and I figured out where the Portugueses came from and that another story for another day!
Glad, and happy to know that your percentage shows DNA your true bloodline.. However, the outcome it may fold they writen evidance that may solve some hidden truth about your true ancestors. But if you are a believer God will remove the veil and your holy spirit will guid you to the Truth.. God Bless you to your journey.
You know what's sad. Those racists were ultimately successful. Instead of "segregating" Spanish speaking students to different buildings, they developed the ESOL program. The program would remove students from their classroom for huge swaths of time that ultimately negatively affect their integration. My mother used to get mad AF when the schools would insist I join the the program even though my english was fine. Missing hours of instruction on a daily basis caused many of the Spanish speakers I knew to fail grades.
That's because they're not White. This entire channel is an anti-White hub to degrade and lie about White people. The amount of scientific, genetic, and historical lies are off the charts.
Mexicans are treated way worse then blacks at least the blacks get recognized in U.S public schools . Mexican Americans do not When Mexicans also served in WW2 Vietnam the South West was built by the Mexicans Ranching Was created by Mexicans Tex Mex Our people have contributed to a Country and people who hate us .
Sorry, but it depends where you live. I disagree with you about that comment that Mexican- Americans are 2nd class. I have ALWAYS felt that any minority person can elevate themselves to above class, if you work at it and earn RESPECT. If any minority educates themselves and works in an honest career, you will get ahead. You don't have to stay in the ghetto all your life. And it's all about "attitude". You have to BELIEVE in yourself and go forward. Determination will always win. Good luck, and peace be with you. 🤗🇺🇲💯🫶
The majority of Mexicans are mixed European and indigenous. Many are straight up white, descendants of European immigrants just like the US. Many are indigenous still preserving their traditional way of life. There was a also a African community in Veracruz. I visited Spain, specifically the Basque region and Barcelona, many years ago and noticed many appeared very fair and similar to French or English. The southern Spanish of Andalusia looked more olive with possible North African/Moorish ancestry. This is fascinating stuff.
My father's family from his father's side is from Basque country. His mother was full indigenous of Mayan origin from the state of Oaxaca. My mother's family is mixed as well as her family has Sephardic Jew, Portugues, French and Welsh ancestry. Both my parents were born in Mexico, My Father in Mexico City and My Mother in Guadalajara. I always tell people I am Mestizo since I am 46% indigenous and 34 % European decent, dabbled with some Jewish, Moroccan and Angolan ancestry. My family comes in every shade of color as some look white and others look more towards Black/Arab. Mexicans come in every shade of color and ancestry because the Spanish were more willing to marry different ethnicities as long as they converted to Catholicism.
Appearances really vary as 70-90% of Mexicans have some Indigenous ancestry. Obviously with those numbers you’ll get people of all shades from white to dark brown. The people of purely European descent are definitely a minority however.
@@fherlinn To be precise, that's the case in the last 25 years, and olny due to mass immigration. 40 years ago, Spain was quite homogeneous. You would seldom see people from other ethnic groups even in the cities (Gypsies being the visible exception, but a small minority anyway). Of course, many Latin Americans have Spaniards in their ascendancy, but it's not the case the other way around.
Italians and French in America were considered dark/olive skinned and also “greasy” along with the Mexican people during the beginning of the 20th century. It wasn’t about the 30s where Italians, mostly were portrayed more as culturally rising in America. They brought more culture into the country in every aspect. I’d say it wasn’t until Frank Sinatra where Italians were considered as “white”.
@@nytn you did? I heard it through the comedian, George Carlin. He said Italians weren’t respected until Sinatra started being in movies that Italians were looked at differently now. They didn’t know Italians could have blue eyes and light features instead of black hair and eyes and darker skin. I’m going to check out your video. I always found that interesting.
🇪🇦 Quién considera y con qué base científica. Toda europa es blanca caucásica. Está gente tiene que consultar con sus departamentos de genética y antropología de sus universidades y darle un buen repaso a la historia.
This is a fair point. Columbus Day was created as a day to honor Italian Americans in response to the discrimination they had faced, specifically the lynchings they had been subjected to in Louisiana.
Thank you, great podcast video. I was born in America and my parents were both born here in America. My father is full blooded Native American Indian. My mother's father was from Spain and her mother was from South America. But I just found out through DNA that I am 8% West African. It's very interesting to me how people like my grandparents never did DNA testing nor researched about their background. I will continue to dig and research my families background, cause I think it's very important. Thanks again for your video, very informative. 🤗
As I child in the 80's- 2000, in California we went through English only laws. And later with ESL,kids were steered toward esl classes because They would be happier and more proficient in Spanish in the future. In Texas, ESL students score lower, than those going to regular classes Is it hidden discrimination?
This is an interesting point. My girlfriend is Puerto Rican, parents both born and raised in the Chicago area. Her mother went through ESL in Chicago schools, and her dad went through English only in Lake County, Indiana. Her mother still struggles with English in her 50s, especially when writing, despite being fully raised in the USA, and also struggling to form sentences in Spanish, while her dad speaks English with native proficiency and Spanish with bilingual proficiency. ESL is an interesting phenomenon and I have noticed some ESL kids really struggling with English into adulthood.
From what i seen if really varies even among mestizos on average dna test shown that mexicans are usually a bit more european there are mexicans who look much more white who have more indigenous ancestry than very native looking mexicans
What you wrote here is 100 percent correct for my Mexican husband from Acapulco. His DNA test showed that he is 70 percent Native American, 14 percent African, 7 percent European, 6 percent Philippines, and then a random 2 percent Japanese, and 1 percent Jewish.
Another major event that helped define Mexican-Americans as "Caucasian" or "white" for legal reasons was World War II. The military was still segregated and separated white and African-American service members in segregated units. During the war Mexican-Americans and other Latinos were classified as "white" and could serve alongside white troops. The US needed the manpower and could stomach that level of integration but wouldn't extend it to black troops until after the war.
The second president of Mexico was Afro-Mexican, and he ended slavery. Depends on the country regarding predominate ancestry. Some are more white or African, etc.
for a country that is so obsessed with race and identity, there's so much ignorance perpetuated in the U.S on this topic, I've had many friends say he's not white he's mexican, which first of all I never once tell people I'm mexican, I will tell them I'm latino/hispanic but they'll forget and default to Mexican (which my family is actually Salvy) but just the fact that they confuse nationality with race shows the problem. And though most latino's aren't 100% caucasian, most of us do have caucasian ancestry to say that we're not is rejecting a part of our heritage, And when I bring up how most of us speak a language originating from a caucasian country (Spain/Portuguese), practice a religion from Europe and some of us are even born with fair skin like myself then their perception switches to your not white, you guys are tan or olive skin.. (even though my skin tone is visually lighter than that caucasian american.. I guess I'm somehow just not white enough? Not to mention various federal forms like the census also labeling hispanic as a race which further perpetuates this. I am also proud of my indigenous heritage but I am mestizo meaning I'm mixed though I found that to mean I belong to both backgrounds, not one or the other or even neither as many people have come to believe.
Spain was much more obsessed with race than the USA its a big reason they did the Spanish Inquisition Spain was obsessed with racial purity they forced the Basque people to wear a dead chicken leg around their necks to signify their low caste and its also why Spain created a caste system in Mexico
@@VikingforLife-r5n The one drop rule was far worse. Those who obviously were white consigned to slavery on the basis of being 1/32 or less black. Mark Twain penned one short story on such a case and exposed the absurdity of holding to such a standard.
Well back in the 70’s, I was in the 3rd grade in a public school in the east side of Los Angeles. I remember we had some kind of student exchange program with kids from a mostly white school. So the first semester I stayed at my school while some of our students went to that other school and some of their students came to our school. With the exception of one Asian kid, they were all white. That Asian kid was super academically gifted. He also was the only kid to get into a fight which happened to be with another kid from his school. He was a real nice kid so I don’t think he started the fight. I got to go to the other school for the second semester.
@@targetedindividualjros1745 answer him bout what? WTF is y’all talking bout? Niggas under my post like I said something disrespectful mane GTFO with that nutt ass shìt
Thank you for bringing light to this. My grandfather who is Mexican-american has stories of segregation. Seems like history only talks about blacks suffering racism. But our family went through the same 💩 because we are Mexican.
The reason why they only talk about blacks is because Mexican race fell right behind blacks meaning you were looked at as the same so there was no need to mention you because what blks went through included you . Not to mention you’re still going through those things right now with them trying to kick you guys out of the country. You guys are still kinda fighting for your rights. White Americans won’t acknowledge you guys as white because us white Americans don’t acknowledge the Spain people as whites they might look white but they are not white Spanish isn’t European if anything they are like the black whites. Same with Jews and Germans the more you Mexican try to cling on to that Spaniard thing the more Spaniards are pushed away from being white
That's just your race, by Nationality you are American and still be Mexican by getting dual citizenship. Being Mexican isnt a race, you dont have to be brown skinned to be Mexican. If you're not actually white then get them to correct it
The Mexican residents of this town were not descended from the small number of 7,000 Spanish speakers annexed in 1848; they were largely immigrants and their children who entered between 1910-1930 during the Porfirio Diaz Revolution in Mexico. Immigration from Mexico before this was minuscule. They were not the people who owned and lived on the land prior to 1848
I found the video to be very interesting, especially since I am Mexican-American (born in Oregon, my parents are from Arizona and Texas) and I have family who grew up and still live in Lemon Grove. But to be objective, there may be another factor contributing to why we may be considered white. I found this topic interesting when I read my birth certificate, which had “white” listed as the race of both of my parents, who are both Mexican-American. Upon researching it further, I learned that the reason for this may be based on anthropology and not necessarily by race, heritage, genealogy, or culture. “Race is a socially defined aspect of identity that often incorporates biological characteristics such as skin pigmentation or facial features”. Although the government may consider us as white, the government also differentiates between Hispanic and non-Hispanic Whites. I also learned that features inherited from generation to generation are expressed in the morphology (shape) of the human skull. This is what I found while searching for skull types on the internet: “Forensic anthropologists examine the morphology of the skull in great detail and take measurements of multiple individual facets. Comparing this data with data from the worldwide population allows anthropologists to conclude where in the world an individual’s family has originated from. Individuals of European descent tend to have long narrow faces with fairly flat facial profiles and sharply angled nasal bones. Those of Asian ancestry have wider and shorter faces with prominent cheekbones while individuals of African descent have a wide nasal cavity and a prominent mouth region when viewed in profile”. Native Americans have the Asian skull type. Given the fact that Mexicans, or mestizos (culturally Mexican) are a mix of indigenous and Spanish people, we tend to have the Caucasian skull type, which stands to reason since we are neither Asian nor African in anthropological terms. I'm certain that there may be other factors that contribute to the topic as well, I'll need to do some more research on the topic.
Lemon Grove is part of San Diego county its always been a working clas neighborhood, definitely not one of San Diegos upper middle class neighborhoods. Mexicans have been considered white on paper in california during the drafts, they also were considered white in prisons.
Interesting how flexible it is to be considered "white" in the U.S. The white population that spoke English obviously considered themselves to be above their Mexican neighbours though and wanted the Mexican children taught in a separate facility.
I know and have heard a lot of about this history and while my grandparents legally immigrated to SO CA in 1925 I don’t consider myself a victim. I think dwelling on this gives people a victim mentality.
I am Mexican, 6'3" white, brown eyes, my middle brother was super white with blue eyes and my younger brother was green eyes. We are from Spanish and native descent.
As a crafter, the colour white is both a great accent colour and a wonderful main colour. Hearing these accounts of the "muddy" journeys to being classified as "white" in America is so ironic. I guess that some mud can appear white when dried? 🤷 I hope that we can continue to move to a place of understanding that ALL humans are more similar than different once one looks past skin colour, language, and culture. 💖
There was and is bad people all over the world . I don’t know why this matters yes its history but i don’t feel any anger at our white fellow Americans.. As a Brown Mexican raised in Los Angeles I never felt or had the need to fit in with the anglo population or even the need to mix with Anglos For the most part segregation has been and is ok with most Mexican Americans .The fact is as tax payers we do demand equal education for our children. What we lacked in our communities we creat or work around it. We are very family and community orientated we take pride in our families and communities. Truth is mexican American kids have never considered themselves anglo American (European decent) we take pride in our mestizó blood lines we don’t want hand outs we want self sufficiency
My friends that were of Mexican heritage, American born lived in my neighborhood. Two families on my street that could speak only English. I don’t know if their parents could speak anything except English. I lived in Galveston, Texas.
Galveston has a History. Thats where Freedom was Established.Two years Later. June 10 was always Celebrated. They were still using Slaves that were Free, but were Still Slaves to them.( I am sure they never received back Pay.) Did you know about the Alamo. Settlers Fought against Mexico for theIr Profits.NOT TAXES AS SCHOOL BOOKS TELL US. Mexico had established Freedom from Slavery. The New Texans Wanted Slavery. They Needed it for Profit, to work their New Land. In School we learned it was because of Taxes.( If only we could get our system to tell us truth, instead of covering up Their Atrocities.) We should have remained Mexican. Their Taxes are much Better than Ours.They Killed the Mexican President Because of His Stand on Slavery. Texas is full of PREDJUICE. Thats one reason I will never live there again. Full of Sick People.Their Politians atr Mindless.
That's not true. Just like in the US. The Mexican country is a multiracial and multi-ethnic nationality. Anyone can obtain citizenship and become Mexican. The older generation of my family has green eyes and blond hair while the younger has brown skin. The majority of the Mexican population is of Spaniard decent. A majority of the native population was killed off before being integrated into Spain.
@@dinkster1729 Native Americans came here 12,000+ years ago. They have become different over this time and it is not correct to call them Caucasian anymore.
How do you define "White"? If the indigenous of North America are indeed White and DNA tells us that they are and the Indigenous people of Spain are largely White certainly. then, the traditional Mexicans are also largely White according to their DNA.
When I was preteen I moved away from Los Angeles to Texas, leaving friends and family behind. Yes, there are more white people in TX. When I visit my family they call me “bolillo” because they say I’m “whitewashed”. The thing is, I’m not white washed. I hold my roots very close to my heart. In fact, I speak, read in write very fluently in Spanish better than my family and I take pride in that. I speak both English and Spanish with no accent of either origin. But they call me whitewash because I don’t follow or show the stereotype they follow. I got to live in Mexico and I was shocked how un-stereotype real Mexicans are and how Mexican Americans perceive them to be. I think it all depends on the genuine individual who does not follow a template that a certain group of people do. It’s all about breaking away from the tribal mindset and being your own genuine self. Separating being human from identity/ego.
Spain has a very derogatory term for Latinos about race that I won't repeat, but Spain considers themselves European/white and Latinos as non European/non white.
You are right in Spain there is discrimination but also many good people Mexicans are not Europeans we are more indigenous than anything if we have a percentage of blood from Europe but we are in Indigenous majority that's how it is
im argentinian living in spain and it depends, argentinians and uruguayans are often considered the same ethnicity and if an argentinian have indigenous features they will always say "you dont look argentinian" if you're bolivian, peruvian, mexican etc then yeah you're right
Spelling out the inconsistencies in how hispanic Americans have been treated and legally defined is an important statement in this video. I have cousins who are the children of both Mexican and Spanish immigrants and they choose to call themselves the latter because of the perceived whiteness (i.e. Europeanness) it conveys. To this day, Mexican immigrants are treated differently because of their predominately indigenous nature.
Not sure what you mean by “indigenous nature”. Do you mean how they look?? Sounds like you’re trying to make an oh so subtle racial slur, eh?! By the way, not all Mexican Americans label themselves “Spanish” only. Many I have personally known (in California and the Southwest) are proud of their indigenous Mexican heritage. Perhaps 100+ years ago some Mexican Americans may have emphasized the Spanish, but that’s definitely not necessarily the case with many in this day and age!
@culturalobserver8721 Yes, I do mean because of how we look. My grandfather's lighter skinned, more Hispanic family treated my grandmother poorly because of her darker, more native looking complexion. Her 11 children, including my father, had her same darker complexion and were also looked down upon by their paternal uncle, aunts, and even some cousins because of it. While I will grant that it was 60+ years ago, there are still some subtle ways this still happens to this day. But who knows, maybe some of those Mexican Americans you have known in California are my cousins, who stretch the entire length and breadth of the state. There are so many that I have lost count. I am personally very proud of my mixed heritage, mostly Spanish, but quite a bit of indigenous, with a smattering of African and Jewish for good measure. But Mexican migrants are still treated differently in the United States to this day. It is one of the reasons why, when one hears mention of the border crisis, one immediately thinks of the southern border with Mexico and not those pesky Canadians who come visit us here in Arizona every winter.
@@culturalobserver8721 That wasn’t my experience and I’m from LA. In my college years, many racially passing white Mexicans would only mainly hang out with other white people. I knew of some that would even deny their heritage. I have more indigenous features and always get mistaken for native, most only knew because of my name. I guess we all see it differently. I would also hear many of them say they were Spanish or Spanish Descendants which is partly or completely true depending on their ancestry.
Very informative, thanks. You’ve got a new subscriber here. I’m 3rd generation American of Mexican descent (AOMD). Have you done a story of how the U.S. Schools swatted the Spanish language out of the homes and AOMD children for the next generations? This is what happens to my family in El Paso & Los Angeles. I also met someone yrs ago who stated the same happened to their family’s in AZ. Just wondering if you’d done a story about this?
welcome! no but I did do a video on the deportation of americans with Mexican heritage during the great depression! I'll look into what you shared, thank you! ruclips.net/video/boqkt2dbxpI/видео.html
Interesting. My family was from Mora Valley. After the Hidalgo treaty, they fought a bunch of skirmish battles in and around NM, San Luis valley in Colorado, and after they went to Wyoming for concrete and railroad work. According to my grandpa no one started speaking English till about 1940 so his age group.
Yes Mexicans in the us that have Spanish ancestry are white but they been lost in the mix with Mexicans of indigenous decent and all are treated as second class citizens along with the Mexican kids.
It is unfortunate that other ethnicities are now truly understanding and feeling what African Americans have been dealing with for a very long time. Discrimination is very repugnant, and as an African-American woman I have experienced it, as well as my people for a very long time. I hope that other ethnicities take this into consideration and understand that they must be mindful of how they treat, as well as engage with african-americans. Sadly other ethnicities who are non white have discriminated and treated African-Americans poorly as well. Now that other ethnicities are truly figuring out that not only are they being treated poorly now they understand what we've been going through. It's sad that it takes situations like this to bring all of this to light and have empathy for other people.
But blacks are racist against latinos , trust me I know , you guys are doing to others, what you dislike the most , specially Africans that are new to our continent, they already bring the mind set that it’s ok to disrespect us
Notice you didn’t receive many likes for your comment. The racist brainwashing is strong with these “Mexicans” who don’t really want to look like a real indigenous Mexican 😂. Oh, Burn 🔥 your cape Sis! The lord surely works in mysterious ways. The immigrants have actually handed us the win we’ve fought ✊🏾so long for. They can’t see it past their selfish 🤑🇺🇸 ambitions yet. 😂 💆🏽♀️Won’t he do it!🙏🏽🥳
I know about this. I don’t know if I can finish it. It never ceases to amaze me how human beings can find ways to dehumanize other Human Beings. What The Absolute Fk?!
They Do It Because Their Need to Feel Superior. Still Upset Because they Lost the War, still living in The past.( over 2 hundred years) Such Sickness Makes me Very Leary of Human Beings and Their Thought Patterns. I Belong to the White race, they make me Hang My Head in Shame. If God Created Us All. Then How Does Mortal Man Assume they Can Destroy his Works. Certainly not Christian. Insulting Gods Creations. For this Attitude Im sure God May Reject them at those Pearly Gates.
Well there are white Mexicans, Mexicans who have little or no racial mixing with the Natives going back to the days of the Conquest. These are mostly the ruling class. I any case Hispanic or Latino is not a biological race (pretending there is such a thing in the first place) but a cultural grouping.
Most white mexicans are not from the conquest LOL they came after the Mexican independence and most are not in the ruling class, not sure where some of you get your information from LOL maybe from telenovelas
@@carlosm.3426 Maybe not most but some. Some of them do have ties to the old hacienda system. That said I don't claim to be a master in Mexican history. Oh well.
Sorry, there are no purebred European Mexicans since the conquest... They are all mixed.. If they are purebred European then they are of a recent migration..not from conquistadors from 500 years ago.
European also came over in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s to partake in blanqueamiento which is racial whitening. There were Asians that were in the Americas prior who came from the Manila Galleon’s and they were later relabeled as natives, prior to them there were Asians that came over and colonized as well as Roman’s who were Latins who were Eurasians occupying Hebrew lands. So if people check their haplogroups more time than no it shows that many natives come from Asian moms and European dads. Their haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N, and X branch off of L3 which is Hamitic and the same line as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Canaanites etc. so many natives were descendants of Europeans born in the Americas or Asians born in the Americas or a combination being Eurasian or Asiapean what many now would call mestizo which is a mix typically coming from Asian moms and European dads.
How ethnic are Black Americans? Some of them sound very like northern Americans, don't they and have the same level of education or a better level of education.
@@clintonjefferson6494 we are foundation black American 🇺🇸 And please watch your dirty mouth it's always people who family had fled here feel they are owned smoothing all yall owned it a ticket black to yall home land 🇺🇸
This is only PART of the story for Americans of Mexican heritage. What would you add to it?
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Next month will be 75 years Anniversary of Perez v Sharp case of 1948
the casta system would be really good to talk about@@joseluisnietoenriquez6122
Yeah but why is it MANY these regular looking Mexicans in Texas are as racist and more racist towards black Americans than most white people I've met?! And I was told by some Mexicans that dark Mexicans and black Mexicans are discrimated against by regular looking Mexicans.. So I say it's no such thing as black Mexicans.. They're just black people... even could be Africans that wounded up in Mexico,and started speaking Mexican language..
@@joseluisnietoenriquez6122 Even Spaniards can have very tanned skin color! My brother, an aunt and a sister all traveled to Spain (on separate trips), and after viewing hundreds of their photographs of the local Spaniards, I concluded that yes, some are fair, but many are light to medium olive tan skin, and actually some were even what I would call “dark”, and yes, they were Spanish natives, even the darker ones! Hey, I’m a Mexican American and I absolutely LOVE MY TANNED SKIN, even if others don’t! Who in the h*ll cares what some ignorant individuals think, they’re NOT God. MEXICANS ARE TANNED BROWN PEOPLE, AND THATS JUST FINE!! 😄
🇪🇸Por favor más seriedad con los españoles y dejad vuestra frustración racial para vosotros. ¿ qué cuento es ese de unos pocos son claro? España es un país de blancos caucásicos. Yo soy uno de ellos.
I'm Irish and we are Celtic and my people went through genocide in Ireland because of the English.. When my people came to America we were slaved and discriminated against and many Irish soldiers called the San Patricios fought proudly on Mexicos side during the Mexican American war... I will never be whitewashed and label myself by a skin color it's ridiculous...
Celts are the ancestors of Spaniards. They were probably the largest ethnicity that contributed their genes to nowadays Spaniards, along with other Mediterranean peoples collectively known as Iberians.
ERIN GO BRAGH 🇮🇪 MÉXICO PARA SIEMPRE 🇲🇽
Do You view Yourself as European? If so then yes, that's what White means, not even Skin Color or features necessarily as tanning and Melanin deficiency exist, but if you're of pure European descent, which both Spainiards and Iberians are, all be it lower Mediterranean Euros, but regardless, and ofcourse Irish Scots DNA mix than Yes You are a White European, Anglos did however argue that Irish People, because of the Moors and Arabs in Spain, that they viewed the Irish as a mixed up Negro Race, just as with the Spanish Greek Romanians Italians Sicilians Poles and even Finns with the Urals and all that stuff, but it's also possible to be 100% of all those Ethno Euro Races and Nationalities and yours included and still fall under the Caucasian Umbrella, Japanese could never be White despite how Pale they are because they don't trace Ancestry back to Europe, Im Italian 🇮🇹 by the way Half Italian North Half Sicilian
Celtic 8:20 experts say Irish, Scottish basque it’s the other white race with the negative blood from somewhere else, first nation, Celtic, the colors of God, green, white and red
@@n0110 Well I was born in county Cork Ireland and I will never be whitewashed it's ridiculous plus I'm not going to label myself as you see fit I'm me and I am proud of who I am.
@@LVQuinn83 ✊🏼 viva Irlanda 🇮🇪 viva la sangre 🩸 celta ibérica que corre por mis venas. Viva México 🇲🇽 por aceptar a mis ancestros.
I know Mexican story I just didn't know the celts were the ancestors to the Spaniards. I guess if we all go back far enough we will find we all share the same parents 🤷🏼♀️
“Drty” is ironic since MesoAmerica had better hygiene standards than Erope.
True. In his diary, Columbus was amazed at how clean the "Indians" were and how they could bathe several times per day.
disgust is a way of making sure your food doesn't harm you, you know what your body likes and thinks is safe and what is not, but then we end up using it for other purposes, like on people. It's a way of putting them down.
@@a.r.tavares1322 i believe the diary is something they talk about but could be fake. I am sure he wrote alot , but he was jewish and so where everyone else in the boat, so the church didn't like him and most likely changed the story into him being italian. Look it up, jewish people write alot about columbus and nothing like what we heard. The catholics where not clean, the jews where and they wanted to be the opposite, so if you where clean, they would consider you a non christian. Kind of sick. when was this ? i am not sure because the pests must have caused them to change. Even when did operations, they didn't clean their hands and caused problems.
The dirty beings are still Caucasians.
Many of my white coworkers do not bathe and just use deodorant which results in a disgusting mix of strong body oder and deodorant and cologne. They're adamant that bathing is bad for you.
Thank you to all people who are clean and bathed.
Anahuac NOT "Mesoamerica" socalled america is named after amerigo vespucci an edomite "explorer"
Mexico is Native American land no different from Canada and the U.S. with all tribes sharing ancestry
Yes!!!!!!!!!
@@jsandoval3226 THANK YOU‼️. Also SOUTH AMERICA. WE ARE ALL NATIVE LAND. PERIOD‼️
Yes
American is American side
and they lost the land in wars . Not to mention the amount of warring between tribes that happened pre-colonial contact .
My Mexican American Grandparents went to school in Texas in the 1940s and 50s. If a teacher heard the kids speaking Spanish at all to anyone including each other the kids would get paddled as a punishment and made fun of. Because of that my Grandma never taught her kids Spanish and didn’t want them to learn it so they would not go through what she did as a kid.
This is true. My parents didn't want us to go thru this either in the 60's. We were born in 50's with very American names. ❤Mostly American actors and actresses. When we went to school we did witness kids who spoke Spanish being paddled by mainly white teachers. My parents didn't teach us Spanish. Even our last names were pronounced differently and spelled differently. So they sounded very American English. We were told to go back to our Country. Not to speak Spanish. Sit in the back of the room. Learn how to speak English because this is America. There were no bilingual teachers,police officers,etc. My sister came home one day and was taking a bath. She was using a scrub brush and cleanser to to clean herself. She rubbed her skin raw. They told her that she was dirty because of the color of her skin. That she was a dirty Mexican. That only white people can come to school. So she tried to wash her skin white. Back then everyone stayed within their own ethnicity groups. Because of the prejudice. There were a lot of rules that our parents had us follow and curfews. It was really bad back then for all minorities. Always be proud of who you are and where you come from. Don't lose or give up your cultural heritage for anyone.
So many generations that don’t speak Spanish because of this exact experience.
@@lfrancechy4446 same happened in Mexico with the Spanish assimilation
of language.
IT HAPPENS IN EVERY COUNTRY, 🤔 NOT JUST IN UNITED STATES !! 🇺🇲 🇺🇸 🙄 MEXICANS DISCRIMINATE WHITES TOO !! AND BLACKS ! 🤫
Not in the small towns in South Texas almost everyone is Mexican and they all speak Spanish
Most Mexicans are Mestizos, mixed with European and Indigenous ancestry.
@@brandonmireles3249 No those are Spanirds.
Spain is, clearly, far more of a mestizo nation (if that term is ever properly to be used) than is Mexico.
(1) The Spanish people speak a totally borrowed language, a dialect or branch of Italo-Latin mixed with many thousands of Arabic words. Very few words of the indigenous Hispano-Iberic language remain in use.
(2) The culture of Spain is a complex mixture of Latin-Italic, North African, Middle Eastern, Greek, Gitano (Gypsy), and other characteristics, with very few indigenous (pre-Roman) traits remaining, except among the Basques and Gallegos.
(3) Racially, the modern Spaniard probably carries relatively few indigenous genes, the latter having been greatly overwhelmed by Carthaginian, Celtic, Latin-Roman, Germanic, Arab, Moorish, Berber, Jewish, black African, and Gitano intermixture.
Federico Navarrete, Historian, Anthropologist UNAM - Between 1821 and 1910: 3.5 million Indigenous people were categorized as Mestizo. •By the time the Mexican census of 1930 took place: 30% of the entire Mexican population who has been categorized as Indigenous, was now categorized as “Mestizo.” Historians argue that this was also done to repress “Casta Wars” and erase the power of the Indigenous population. The white elites feared that they would lose power. •Mestizaje was not a racial reality but rather a “massive linguistic displacement.” Indigenous people were whiten through language and culture markers, not racial.
@@Egr-et6arYes, the OP was 100% right which makes you 100% wrong.
@@TechieTard Yes he would know more than the Historian, Anthropologist….. 😅
No such thing as mixed you are the seed of your father thus you are what your father is
When I joined the army, there was no box to check off for being Mexican American. I was told by my recruiter to check the Caucasian box, and Native American box.
That means you're Mestizo, like the vast majority of Mexicans. Being Mexican is not a race, it's a nationality so it makes sense why it wasn't there
Mexican is not a race. There are white Mexicans, Indian Mexicans, black Mexicans, and Mexicans who are a mixture of all the preceding.
100%.
The only true mexican are indigenous and Indigenous/ Spanish. Everyone else is just a citizen of Mexico. Mexico was already established before the foreigners came in.
Everyone wants hispanics to be multiracial. No, the indigenous are the real people. Everyone else just a foreigner. Quite trying to change the racial identity of the indigenous in the America's. What race was there before the invaders and their baggage.
No Hispanic and Latino is not a race, just a category for us indigenous people of Latin America. Being Mexican really pronounced mehsheeka is not just a race it's a bloodline of a tribe. Yeah, there are white,Asian, black, etc mixed mehsheeka people, but the bloodline and name belong to the mehsheeka people. So if you identify as mexican or part mexican connect to your indigenous roots. Erase that colonial state of mind. 🪶✊🏽
My dad is mexican and when he did a dna test he was overwhelmingly Scottish/Spanish with a splash of native and black
My family is from Texas since it was Mexican territory, my dads cousin Eva Longoria wrote a book, The border crossed us.
Our Sur name is Solis from La Grulla
Same with my family.
Eva is dumb. The border has been American since the 1800s. So if you were born after that, nothing crossed you.
I remember growing up in the 70s in the Rio Grande Valley South Texas. Lots of people including the white folks, spoke Spanish. I never did see a lot of them around, though. Some , not all were racist as hell and there's no way I believed when they said they had Indian blood. If their descendants were that racist their great great grandpa's were 10 times worse. I know they didn't date Mexican boys or girls.
Same! I'm from Mexico and i actually live here, and my grand Grand mother was Texan, when Texas was from Mexico
Fascinating. Please keep making these videos.
My Grandma was born in South Dakota. Her mom moved them to California after husband/dad died in the early 30s. My Grandma was 10 and didn't speak any English, she spoke only Plautdieutsch (a sort of/kind of German dialect). The public school refused to enroll her because she didn't speak English, so her mom enrolled her in the Seventh-Day Adventist school, which took her, but put her in the 1st Grade (she should've been 4th Grade), telling her through her older brother (he learned English in high school in South Dakota) that she would stay in the 1st Grade for the rest of her life until she learned English. These policies were pretty universal in treating everyone "different" with the same treatment.
@@nikolausepp8093 Did the government abduct those German children from their home and family from all over South Dakota, and physically and mentally brutalize them for speaking their language.
@@nikolausepp8093 true bit today it's so popular to be a victim. It's what's hot right now
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I’m Mexican and brown in the summer. In the winter I’m a little lighter.😂
I am Mexican and I am golden-tanned-White. In the winter I'm winter White🤣
@colinchampollion4420 y'all love your oppressor. Want to be like him.
@willieross3745 your just jealous cuz I am a White Mexican
@willieross3745 cuz I am like a Euro-Castizo ~ European blood-lines
@@colinchampollion4420 jealous? If you only knew.
I have 60% Native American DNA and 40% European, and yet much of American society and myself considers me to be Native American. Ironically I see so-called Mestizos or Latinos with probably 70% Native DNA, even full blood Indigenous folk, be called either Mestizo or Latino by the Latin American hierarchy/Spanish caste system, and even the American Government/society. To me, this forcing a Eurocentric terminology on to Brown People is deeply anti-Indigenous culture and identity, these are genocidal policies and mainstream mislabeling. I'm not telling anyone to label themselves Indigenous, I may encourage you, but you do as you please, but be aware of the genocidal history created by caste systems.
Native American came to be known as descendants of Europeans born in the Americas if you go back through the definitions. So if a person has 70% or 40% native, it’s going by ethnicity which is a type of mix. Haplogroups which goes by mitochondrial DNA shows that many natives are Asians born in the Americas and mestizo is also a type of mix typically coming from Asian moms with European dads although some have European moms and Asian dads. The haplogroups that again go by the mitochondrial DNA which is the X from the mom that both female XX and male XY offspring carry, shows that haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N and X are all Asian or Eurasian haplogroups and those also branch off of L3 which is the same lineage as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, and Canaanites etc. The Roman’s were also from those lineages, and the Roman’s from where Latin comes from which is also a root of the ROMANce languages including Spanish are where the natives who are descendants of Europeans born in the Americas come from. Again modern Native American is a type of mix and it’s similar to Mestizo. So haplogroups reflect what has been outlined. Also indigenous is not always interchangeable with native as it can also be status.
@@bluetinsel7099 I have videos that easily dismantles you silly cultural vulture Eurocentric DNA fantasy 😂
Caste System. ? What is
@@mariagaganta4925
The caste system was used in many places, but is well known in India as well as parts of the Americas. It shows depictions of how to obtain racial whiteness or becoming a better class based on whitening which in Latin America was known as blanquimiento. The Wht-Europeans wanted to Whitewash the places they colonized. It is known in India as well where there was a class system and the dark Indians were considered less desirable than the white ones and it still continues today, bleaching is very popular in parts of Asia and has spread around the world including places like South Africa where the Indian population is very high and it’s has spread to the Americas. In the 1800’s European were brought to the Americas in large numbers to help with the blanquimiento (whitening) of the Americas after slavery began to go down. During slavery many women were gRaped as a way to create more slaves and lessen the melanin in the Americas. So you can go over more on your own, but that is some of what the caste system is and there were depictions to go with it.
In Mexico people are proud of being mix
The history of segregation against Mexicans is not widely known, yet for decades Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were not allowed to go to movie theaters unless they sat in the balcony and they were not allowed to enter swimming pools over the weekend while white people swam. They had to wait until Mondays “when the water was dirty and after we got in the pool they would take out the water and put new water in for the white children,” Mendez said. Public schools were also segregated. There were “whites only” schools and Mexican schools. In 1945 when the Mendez kids were rejected from enrolling in their community school, Gonzalo Mendez, Sylvia’s father, took the issue to court.
Mendez v. Westminster became the first case in U.S. history to rule on desegregation, forcing schools in Orange County to integrate in 1947. The landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that later ended legal segregation in all public schools nationwide used some of the arguments used in the Mendez case.
That was white people and blacks back in the days
Did u know before the. Anglos came to these states Mexicans. Where segregated from one another practically all the Mexican governors of California New Mexico etc where Spaniards born in the new world 🌎 California New Mexico. Etc they were wealthy and had all the political. Power where the natives and mestizos where underneath. There still was segregation even when these lands belonged to Mexico
@@antoniogutierrezjr7471 Yes and the Indigenous Mexicans are still discriminated against in Mexico.
@@jamesbond8348 ok first of all. Back in the days racial groups stayed with their own people's. Mexicans stayed with Mexicans and whites stayed with whites and blacks stayed with blacks in 50s 60s 70s 80s and further back. White people were not as racist towards Mexicans as they were towards black. And Mexicans and whites have a long history together going back before the Alamo. My Mexican grandfather's grandmother's mother was white Irish woman. My dea has black kids but I don't like them because they're black. White Mexicans and blaxicans don't get along because there is a racial issue . Just like some Mexicans and black Dominicans hate black Americans. I just hide it better in public
@@FlakeMaker that was such nonsense RUclips ain’t even let that slide n keep it LMFAO
Hispanics come in all colors
Latinos come in all shades Mexicans are Hispanics and are usually of native American or indigenous decent
Does the title say "hispanics" or "Mexican Americans" ?
Because they screw everything in sight
To the creator, i think you missed a large piece of this story by not connecting it to the history of California, especially the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.
The case didn't just involve CA law but also federal law and treaty law. When Mexico signed the treaty with the US to end the war, they knew how Africans and indigenous people were treated and did not want the Californios and other Mexican citizens to suffer the same fate. In the treaty they negotiated that those of Mexican ancestry needed to be treated as equal to whites, that the superior position of women in Mexican society be recognized, and the land rights as well.
So when the Lemon Grove case came up, the ruling was directly affected by this, as the Mexican-American children by law and treaty were equal and needed to be treated as such. No segregation allowed. This is also why we have the census distinction of white-Hispanic and white- non Hispanic.
The treaty is also why CA was one of the first states(maybe the first) where women got half in a divorce, because that was Mexican law before the war.
Sadly only a handful of the most powerful families held on to their land after the gold rush. Most got swindled out of their land through malicious misrepresentation of Mexican era diseños. Mexican Americans definitely weren't treated equally, but got a fairer shake than other groups.
I think this court case is also directly connected to the forced migration of a half a million Mexican-American citizens from the Southwest to Mexico in the 1930s.
Interesting I never knew this. My Grandfather told Me when he got on the Bus to Basic Training in WW2 they got mad at him for going to the back of the bus and yelled at him to sit up front My Birth Certificate says Caucasian which I am clearly not. I don't know about census though as I don't recall participating in one.
@@DEADIKATED I am 53 and haven't ever actually participated in the census. If you haven't ever participated directly, they use info from tax returns and whatnot to fill in places they don't have information for.
@@silasrobertshaw8122 Ok Me Neither. I allegedly probably make Myself scarce bc I like My Privacy 😁
@@silasrobertshaw8122 yeah that is right, my grandma was one of those people that were probably forced to move south in the 1930.
It has to do with bloodlines not so much nationality. @DEADIKATED
I’m 3rd generation Mexican American and since I was a child in the 1960’s, I’ve never thought of myself or others whose ethnic origins are from Mexico, as “white” because the definition of “white” is: peoples from northern, central (which includes Spain) and Eastern Europe who do NOT have any mixture of indigenous Latin American tribes in their genetics. I definitely do have indigenous genetics in my dna and I would NOT consider myself “white”. The vast majority of people who have any ancestors from Mexico have at least “some” indigenous blood, and that is just a FACT. And, it’s A-OK to have indigenous dna, to individuals who ONLY want to emphasize the “Spanish”! To not include the indigenous genetics is to buy into an old racist attitude that a Mexican American must be “ashamed” of the non Spanish part of him/her. That’s a bunch of BS! Get a backbone, people!!
See he a real one,any Latin person, putting white or black before Latino,has already lost,even Mexican American no such thing,your either Chicano or proud American,cause ain't no English in Mexico,most don't speak Spanish here,and if there is white Latinos,why they can't easily get to,Arizona,New Mexico, California,Oregon,the whole west was there's at one point,why they people not letting them come across a border to the same land thats there's?see what I'm talking about,your one thing in this life,can't be 2 different things and be accepted,jus denied on both sides💯💯💯,if they weren't they would be like Canada,no one stopping them being from Minnesota never even seen them try,whole different story for them brown folk south tho!.
@mightychild1057 lol what is a Latino ? I don't care about the "white" part, but what do you mean putting black before black ? The difference is that most of the so called "black people" don't choose our ethic/race from the language that we speak. So if a "black" person who speaks whatever language, they are going to know who they really are first. But Spanish speaking people that are not of Spain, really love putting themselves as Spaniard people, it like they hate who they really are, and really wants to be white Spaniards. Spanish is not even y'all real language. FBA people speaks on the fact on how Europeans stripped us of our true language's but Spanish speaking people love it
When the wife and I took my mother-in-law to Spain she didn’t understand why there so many “Mexican.” I must emphasize she is the least racist person you will ever meet, but her upbringing caused to view anyone with a darker shade of skin than her as not White; therefore her confusion.
The sad thing is a lot of White Americans have been raised like. Italian Americans only recently became White because of politics.
White Americans need to strip our connection and ties to the land by all means necessary! If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us and at the same time they are claiming and naming themselves as the righteous owners ordained by god of these precious lands that are the Mexikah Nations homelands. Remember these lands are now the eropeans country. But they will NEVER be there homelands!
I am italian and being called " white" to me is an insult after all the racism and discrimination italians suffered.
I think Italians were considered "white-ethnics" back then. IE they were white but not "WASP" white. Plus, yes Italians were abused back then, along with Irish. v_v But you might be considered Latino, though. I know one older Mexican-American man, in his 70s, that regards Italians and Italian-Americans as Latino but not Hispanic.
I'm white and that is what I said white is pure ideology. Also not even Irish people were consider white. White was used for "classy people"
You're easily insulted.
@ragingjaguarknight86 he is right if Itay had conquered Mexico abd South America then we would be Italic & NOT Hispanic
@@ragingjaguarknight86 siciliana got it the worse
Thanks!
Wow, thank you Carol ☺️
Best comment!
Also northern Mexicans should start treating indigenous Mexicans better
We do, we are tolerant, but like everyone we are closet racist, we just keep quiet outside.
@lGraytheferalcat the kettle told the pot your black! The USA needs to treat all reservations Indians a lot better😘☺️👌!
@@colinchampollion4420 the US is money making machine they don’t care for anybody I’m more concerned with how other countries treat their own😘
@@colinchampollion4420what about indians from Mexico?? Treat them like crap???
@@Erik-ct6ug sooo do the Americans treat their Indians hienously & lock them in reservation centers 😟👌! ! !
Mexico is an American country (North America), so technically they are Americans
The continent is called America. There is 35 country starting from Canada all the way to South AMERICA.
TRUE...but this is about race or "race"
Central America, estáis bañados por el Caribe.
@hcalo. Correction, Mexicans are North Americans because we belong to the northern part of America with Spanish speaking, therefore, our geographical designation is or should be a native of America from the North American part with the demonym of Mexican due to the name of our country which is called United Mexican States
@@renoirnorweigan2917 No, no sois norteamericanos porque lo que se usa para dividir el continente es el Mar Caribe, y como vuestra costa este está íntegramente en el Caribe sois centroamérica y por el oeste vuestra frontera norte y sur coincide exactamente con la placa de Nazca, otra división de centroamérica y encima vuestras tribus aborígenes eran mesoamericanas, por tanto más centroamericanos que nadie. Que tengáis unos kilómetros en el norte no significa nada como EEUU tiene Florida en el Caribe.
Por la misma regla Cuba entonces sería norteamericana.
Así que ya lo sabéis, así se ha estudiado siempre en Europa, solo vosotros con vuestro complejo pretendéis ser lo que no sois, gringos.
My wife’s grandmother is a Bonila and was part of the lemon grove incident. They all grew up on olive street. Glad to see this incident doesn’t get erase from history.
Nice grammar.
Your not in Florida?
I didn't realize we "became white". Speaking for myself, I am and will always be Mexican/Mexica! Son of the indigenous.
Live in denial. You are also Spanish
I love this! Thank you for phrasing this correctly. Mom always made me self-aware of being Mexican. Not Chicana, Latina, or Hispanic!
Same ❤✊🏾🇲🇽
And Spaniards we're are both why do people Ignore that
@@sanjsanj75 Because we are not in Spain anymore and most Mexicans are predominately Native/Indigenous. Also one was forced upon while the other was already here.
Instead of "Americanization" , it should be called Europenization.
Anglicisation.
@@ntl5983 Same thing as Spniardnization - although somewhat have different ideologies, both uphold the same whyte suprėmåcy ideology at the end of the day.
@@ramonarellano4988 EXACTLY!! Good one!
They speak spanish thats the country that conquered most of south america parts of north.. Poland didnt invade the americas
@KrGsMrNKusinagi0 , the Anglos are not Americans, no white people is native to this Continent ,
This made me sad for many reasons, but the fact that a ten year old had to testify to prove he was worthy of receiving an education is insane. And a ten year old being a representative for anyone but himself is awful.
I feel the same way. My oldest is 9 years old and I kept tearing up while reading about this.
@nytn So I take it.. you hate white people? I've seen several of your videos and it's all about whiteness.
@nytn I'm curious when are you gonna make videos about other races history and the atrocities they did?
This is a history channel and I’ve been exploring the legal definition of white in America and how it has changed over time. These are court cases available to the public to look at. I’m curious about it, but it doesn’t mean you have to be.
@nytn I find these things interesting as well. And I find it interesting how the term "whiteness" or being "white" has changed throughout history. One very interesting thing I found was how there were jewish people here in the states from the very beginning who has always been considered white and accepted by the first white settlers and were never segregated yet the Irish catholics were
My family is of Mexican decent and this explains why my grandfather's passport says "white" when he clearly was not.
His US or Mexican passport? I’m assuming this is an older passport as most passports today don’t identify a race. Birth certificates more often do.
We was White of Mediterranean-White ~ which Southern Europe
@@colinchampollion4420 not impossible but more likely from Indigenous ancestry given the demographics of Mexico (70-90% of people are of mixed Indigenous descent).
@@stephenborunda other way around~ Iberian ancestry 🤣👌😘!
@@colinchampollion4420 sure. Some Mexicans have Spanish ancestry hundreds of years ago. These people would be regarded as mixed-race or brown in most US spaces.
We have worst racism and classism in Mexico.They actually have maids with their own room and they can’t eat in the dining room they are exploited and discriminated
Yes yes, I've seen what you're explaining here sadly. Just so happens most maids are indigenous 🤨
@@jesssmalls6623 Yes my mother tells me horror stories as well as positive I wish she had more experience so she can write a book but she only did it for 15 years
That's terrible 😢
And all the actors of television are white not brown, and when they do put a a brown Mexican they give them a low role.
Well for starters maid is a job description, they get paid for it nobody is forcing them to do a job if they don't like it 🤦🏽♂️
I'm America Chicano. My mother was born in Mexico, and my father is lipan Apache from McAllen TX, I'm always amazed about how so-called mexican Americans segregated us half breeds and it’s still happening to this day. No one talks about that segregation.
What has been your experience?
I grew up in Texas, and my friends who were mixed native (Apache, Comanche, etc) and Spanish called themselves Chicano because their ancestors never lived in Mexico, and therefore they could not be considered Mexican-American. I supposed they could be called Hispanic or Latino, but most of the ones I knew had very little (if any) Spanish blood. Unfortunately, most (but not all) had forgotten which tribes in Texas their ancestors came from.
@@Hustler1856 it was in the Treaty of Hidalgo
You're not help by calling yourself Chicano... what's that mean anyway?
@@Zarcon2008 Mexican but a specific flavor
The most intriguing thing about this story is the fact that there are Mexicans of various ethnicities (white, black, indigenous, Asian).The people who made this classification wanted to put different groups together and put them in the same box.
Asian is an ethnicity and ethnicities are types of mixes and indigenous is a status. There are black, white and mixed and just as their are different types of white, there are also different types of black. The mixed were known as Arab or Arab-Mamzer depending on the mix. If the dad mixed with a different nation from his own then that child would be known as Arab-Mamzer if a woman of a nation mixed with a different nation of man from her own then her child would be Arab as Arab means mixed, but mamzer means illegitimate. The Illegitimacy comes from the child being a different nation than the dad and illegitimate in his nation. Nations go by the mom and tribes by the dad. Haplogroups go by mitochondrial DNA and that is the X chromosome each person carries from their mom. Tribes come under nations. Also native came to be known as descendants of Europeans born in the Americas. Mestizo is a type of mix typically of Asian moms and European dads. Roman’s who were Latin were Eurasian later some became Greco-Roman as there were those of Asian moms and European dads and others with European moms and Asian dads . The Roman’s were occupiers of Hebrew lands. Prior to Italy they were in Greece and prior to that Eurasia with many being from Asia. Haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N, and X are all Asian or European and the branch off of L3 which is the same lineage as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Canaanites etc. from Genesis 10 with Ham and his wife. Also Japheth was occupying the land of Shem from Genesis 9:27 and Shem and his wife are the lineage of the Hebrews which is also where the Israelites are from. So nations go by the mom and tribes by the dad. Tribes come under nations just as Israelites are originally Hebrew with the exception of those who produced mamzer children that would be illegitimate.
Too be fair most Mexicans are pretty much mixed
you forgot to say that most Mexicans are mixed race
@@bluetinsel7099Asian is NOT a particular “ethnicity”, it’s merely a general “racial” category.
@@culturalobserver8721
Asian is not a race, it’s a type of mix and a location so that could be ethnicity. Also Asians would descend from the same line of family and maternally they descend from L3 haplogroup which is a Hamitic line although there are some Japhethic branches as Ham and Japheth’s lines mixed. Haplogroups M and N descend from L3 by the way. So they may have taken different migration routes, but their dna still shows that Asians are types of Hamitic mixes which would make them ethnicities and not race.
Not many people consider Mexican Americans white, though...
Tell that, to a hole lott of self-hating, useful idiots. In the Mexican-American community, since trump became President, and starting talking sh1t, many chicanos, started deny their ethnically Mexican.
It depends how light skinned they are, and if they have Caucasian features or not. There’s definitely white Mexicans, I know this because I’m one myself.
@@robertrobles4028Then you know most white Mexicans live in the North, and they stopped coming in large numbers over a decade ago. It's mostly people from Southern parts, who have more indigenous blood and features.
Yeah well explain that to my racist coworker, he’s constantly trying to mess with people because they aren’t Mexican enough, calls them white.
@@robertrobles4028As a Mexican American, people in school first talk to me in Spanish because they think I look like a Mexican from my skin.
Interesting... 🤔 Great video, you're doing awesome work! 👌
A documentary about Mexico and one of the tribe elders said *"Mexicans don't think like native Mexican, they think with the mind of their colonizers."*
We have history and the Mexican-American war tells that we were already here in California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming.
Lastly, another quote *"We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"*
@@derp3305 It happens. Native here…mentioned ‘Mexican’ to a very dark skinned friend while in the military. He said, “I’m not fkn Mexican, I’m SPANISH, man”. I had to LOL.
EXACTLY 👍🏽
@@derp3305 that documentary doesn't speak for us, and they certainly don't know us.
@@Teresa-y7t The problem is we don't know ourselves because we were stripped of our identity of Natives. Go and see the surviving tribes in Mexico and learn from them because we were them once. Heck, I discovered the Chichimeca tribe because my auntie had stories that she was told by older folks and there remaining ancestors that hid gold near the river beds under rocks.
I've been hearing these words from my dad's teachings, and just talking to people. If you remember the documentary you're quoting, could you please share it? Thank you
How? With the nopal en la frente?
A broad subject to tackle & also sometimes bitter subject. I appreciate your efforts and enjoyed the video.
Thank you for watching, it's a complex topic!
@@nytn indeed it is. 👍
Interesting video
Thumbs up for you 👍🏻
Interesting how the 1930’s wasn’t really all that long ago. Thanks for sharing this history lesson.
Mexicans were never "white" some Mexicans have mostly European ancestry making them "white" but Mexican is a nationality not an ethnic group. And even the term "white" is arbitrary and inaccurate. I have family who have lived in Mexico since the id 1800s but we are European (I'm 6'4" with green eyes and had blonde hair as a kid). Remember there are a mutitude of ethnic groups within most nationalities and these cannot be accurately be categorized by vague terms like "white" or "Brown" etc.
@@espada9 Mxican is a Nahuatl word which derives from Mexica. Spain is, clearly, far more of a mestizo nation (if that term is ever properly to be used) than is Mexico.
(1) The Spanish people speak a totally borrowed language, a dialect or branch of Italo-Latin mixed with many thousands of Arabic words. Very few words of the indigenous Hispano-Iberic language remain in use.
(2) The culture of Spain is a complex mixture of Latin-Italic, North African, Middle Eastern, Greek, Gitano (Gypsy), and other characteristics, with very few indigenous (pre-Roman) traits remaining, except among the Basques and Gallegos.
(3) Racially, the modern Spaniard probably carries relatively few indigenous genes, the latter having been greatly overwhelmed by Carthaginian, Celtic, Latin-Roman, Germanic, Arab, Moorish, Berber, Jewish, black African, and Gitano intermixture.
Go more far back, and Eropeans have 3 common ancestors, indigenous hunter-gatherers, and the other 2 of them is Middle Eastern farmer DNA and Eurasian Steppe. Lounes Chikhi, from University College London, and colleagues estimated that Middle Eastern farmers contributed roughly 50 per cent of the analysed genes to modern European populations. Since modern-day northern Europeans descended in large part from the Corded Ware culture and therefore have more steppe ancestry than first-farmer ancestry. The modern populations with more Yamnaya-derived ancestry are, if I remember it correctly, the Norwegians and the Scottish.
Those features you speak of originated from the Near East and brought into Erope. Studies have suggested that the two genes most associated with lighter skin colour in modern Europeans originated in the Near East and the Caucasus about 22,000 to 28,000 years ago, and were present in Anatolia by 9,000 years ago.
With Apache face
I'm just happy been half European and half Mexican Native indigenous, we are all children of God ❤
Thank you for this video
I’m Mexican. I’m not white.. I have indigenous roots and I would claim that.. not white and never would be.
They have a conundrum here with us Mexicans. If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us.
@@ignaciovarga3162 History brainwashes, the truth on books of who you are. seek your true identy research your ancestors comune with your acestors,elders they are your history and books fallow and see your bloodline to the begining why you are here in the americas.
@@ignaciovarga3162exactly brother. Theyre working to erase our identity.
Mi Papá es mexicano y mi mamá es americana. Soy nacido y Creiado en los Estados Unidos.
My dad is Mexican and my mom is American. I’m born and raised in the U.S.
I am an American. Mexican is nationality, not a race. I need a passport to go into Mexico, why? Because Mexico isn’t my country of birth.
As far as I know the Mexican American title is for people who hold dual citizenship. I could be wrong but this was explained to me by a college professor, which makes sense.
Although you have the right to call yourself whatever you want, that’s the beauty of this country.
I worked administration in the Army I had 100's of Mexicans in my Battalion and EVERYONE of them had White on their birth certificate as their race.
They are White and assimilate with white culture in America
That European shlt was forced on us. To confuse us and strip us of our real identity. It’s not like a newborn can pick his ethnicity lol
White Americans need to strip our connection and ties to the land by all means necessary! If they call us Natives, Indians or Americans then we belong here and we can claim owner ship of these American lands. If they call us Caucasian, White or Anglo then that takes away any right or connection we have to these precious lands that they so dearly covet. We are the descendant of the greatest Native American society that was developed on the greatest contents of this planet. They are stripping all of this away from us and at the same time they are claiming and naming themselves as the righteous owners ordained by god of these precious lands that are the Mexikah Nations homelands. Remember these lands are now the eropeans country. But they will NEVER be there homelands!
I was told by my parents ( God Rest their souls) that we worked for our things and we also had to compete with all the Anglos in school to go on to higher education. We weren’t taught VICTIMHOoD via the color of your skin . We were blessed to be born on this side of the border and contributed to SOCIETY. White is on the birth certificate while I’m usually peanut butter lookin
@bucvet1979 cuz we are White! my birth certificate states that I am White sooo is my DNA test results ! it just took one stroke of the might pen of congress to indoctrinate that fact
Your content is great!! I am starting to watch a lot more of it
As a Mexican I would NEVER say I’m white even though I’m light skinned but many people from Jalisco are light skinned however, that doesn’t make us Caucasian.
@@esmeraldagarcia2848 you got something against white people?
Well according to the women in this video, you are now Caucasian.
It’s funny too because when I close my eyes and listen to her talk she sounds like a blonde sorority girl. I guess she’s white now.🤷♂️
Drama🤣
lack of melanin really does mean Caucasian mongrelization of melanin
As a light skin “guero” Mexican, unless you are pure indigenous like Zapotec, Mixteca, Cora, etc, your race is Caucasian. Whether you feel it or not, your genes say you are Caucasian just like me. Own up to your Caucasian race and be proud of your American and Mexican culture like my children.
Love this! You captured me w/Lola and kept me with the rest! Thank you!!
Thank you, your historical research is very much appreciated by this person. Just a note, I've been re-searching "our" hidden history since 2005 when I took the first of 4 DNA test divulging to me that I was not "Spanish" the way we were raised! I actually have only 20% Spanish, I have more Portuguese than Spanish DNA with also 24% African and 19% native American/Taino DNA both of these I knew nothing about. All this was a total surprise, but I also learned, I found a birth certificate or documentation that my father's ancestry from 1620. My mother is mostly NA and African with about 30% Portuguese. What I'm getting at aren't most Mexicans have a very high NA percentage and now I know that many so called "Hispanics" have high % of African and NA DNA. Personally, I do not use the word "Hispanic" as basically my father's people are 300+ years removed from Europe, and I figured out where the Portugueses came from and that another story for another day!
What a great journey you are on! I loved reading this☺️
Glad, and happy to know that your percentage shows DNA your true bloodline.. However, the outcome it may fold they writen evidance that may solve some hidden truth about your true ancestors. But if you are a believer God will remove the veil and your holy spirit will guid you to the Truth.. God Bless you to your journey.
You know what's sad. Those racists were ultimately successful. Instead of "segregating" Spanish speaking students to different buildings, they developed the ESOL program. The program would remove students from their classroom for huge swaths of time that ultimately negatively affect their integration. My mother used to get mad AF when the schools would insist I join the the program even though my english was fine. Missing hours of instruction on a daily basis caused many of the Spanish speakers I knew to fail grades.
Thank you for making this video. Great job 👏
Thats odd ive never thought of Mexicans as being white unless there Spaniards.
Even Spaniards wouldn’t accept a Mexican even if he did claim white on paper and that’s facts
That's because they're not White. This entire channel is an anti-White hub to degrade and lie about White people. The amount of scientific, genetic, and historical lies are off the charts.
Mexicans aren't a race most are mestizos mixed of mainly Spanish and native while others are pure Spanish or other European ancestry and so forth.
Let's face it: we Mexican-Americans are still considered 2nd class citizens, nothing much has changed.
Mexicans are treated way worse then blacks at least the blacks get recognized in U.S public schools .
Mexican Americans do not
When Mexicans also served in
WW2 Vietnam the South West was built by the Mexicans Ranching
Was created by Mexicans Tex Mex
Our people have contributed to a Country and people who hate us .
Sorry, but it depends where you live. I disagree with you about that comment that Mexican- Americans are 2nd class. I have ALWAYS felt that any minority person can elevate themselves to above class, if you work at it and earn RESPECT. If any minority educates themselves and works in an honest career, you will get ahead. You don't have to stay in the ghetto all your life. And it's all about "attitude". You have to BELIEVE in yourself and go forward. Determination will always win. Good luck, and peace be with you. 🤗🇺🇲💯🫶
They don't even put Hispanic's on T.V Commercial's. They love our food but not us.
The majority of Mexicans are mixed European and indigenous. Many are straight up white, descendants of European immigrants just like the US. Many are indigenous still preserving their traditional way of life. There was a also a African community in Veracruz. I visited Spain, specifically the Basque region and Barcelona, many years ago and noticed many appeared very fair and similar to French or English. The southern Spanish of Andalusia looked more olive with possible North African/Moorish ancestry. This is fascinating stuff.
My father's family from his father's side is from Basque country. His mother was full indigenous of Mayan origin from the state of Oaxaca. My mother's family is mixed as well as her family has Sephardic Jew, Portugues, French and Welsh ancestry. Both my parents were born in Mexico, My Father in Mexico City and My Mother in Guadalajara. I always tell people I am Mestizo since I am 46% indigenous and 34 % European decent, dabbled with some Jewish, Moroccan and Angolan ancestry. My family comes in every shade of color as some look white and others look more towards Black/Arab. Mexicans come in every shade of color and ancestry because the Spanish were more willing to marry different ethnicities as long as they converted to Catholicism.
Emblem of the Americas 1798 @@fherlinn
Appearances really vary as 70-90% of Mexicans have some Indigenous ancestry. Obviously with those numbers you’ll get people of all shades from white to dark brown. The people of purely European descent are definitely a minority however.
@@fherlinn To be precise, that's the case in the last 25 years, and olny due to mass immigration. 40 years ago, Spain was quite homogeneous. You would seldom see people from other ethnic groups even in the cities (Gypsies being the visible exception, but a small minority anyway). Of course, many Latin Americans have Spaniards in their ascendancy, but it's not the case the other way around.
I am Mexican-American of Scandinavian descent 😁👌!
Just noticed the synthesizers in the background. What kind of music do you make? 🤔
My husband makes a lot of digital music!
hum....nice to meet you. Your video is both informative & well researched. Thank you
Italians and French in America were considered dark/olive skinned and also “greasy” along with the Mexican people during the beginning of the 20th century.
It wasn’t about the 30s where Italians, mostly were portrayed more as culturally rising in America. They brought more culture into the country in every aspect.
I’d say it wasn’t until Frank Sinatra where Italians were considered as “white”.
I agree, I did a whole video about that idea with Sinatra
@@nytn you did? I heard it through the comedian, George Carlin. He said Italians weren’t respected until Sinatra started being in movies that Italians were looked at differently now. They didn’t know Italians could have blue eyes and light features instead of black hair and eyes and darker skin.
I’m going to check out your video. I always found that interesting.
🇪🇦 Quién considera y con qué base científica. Toda europa es blanca caucásica. Está gente tiene que consultar con sus departamentos de genética y antropología de sus universidades y darle un buen repaso a la historia.
This is a fair point. Columbus Day was created as a day to honor Italian Americans in response to the discrimination they had faced, specifically the lynchings they had been subjected to in Louisiana.
It always boggles my mind why certain people have an incredible need to feel superior. It is this need that makes them far more inferior.
Exactly. Superiority is a problem just like Narcissism is a problem.
Thank you, great podcast video. I was born in America and my parents were both born here in America. My father is full blooded Native American Indian. My mother's father was from Spain and her mother was from South America. But I just found out through DNA that I am 8% West African. It's very interesting to me how people like my grandparents never did DNA testing nor researched about their background. I will continue to dig and research my families background, cause I think it's very important. Thanks again for your video, very informative. 🤗
As I child in the 80's- 2000, in California we went through English only laws. And later with ESL,kids were steered toward esl classes because
They would be happier and more proficient in Spanish in the future. In Texas, ESL students score lower, than those going to regular classes
Is it hidden discrimination?
This is an interesting point. My girlfriend is Puerto Rican, parents both born and raised in the Chicago area. Her mother went through ESL in Chicago schools, and her dad went through English only in Lake County, Indiana. Her mother still struggles with English in her 50s, especially when writing, despite being fully raised in the USA, and also struggling to form sentences in Spanish, while her dad speaks English with native proficiency and Spanish with bilingual proficiency. ESL is an interesting phenomenon and I have noticed some ESL kids really struggling with English into adulthood.
Most Mexicans are native then white and some African, percentages vary but the highest is NATIVE AMERICAN
According to ignorant people like you and because people like you stereotype everyone.
Not always, it's depends on the region, Mexico is a big country.
From what i seen if really varies even among mestizos on average dna test shown that mexicans are usually a bit more european there are mexicans who look much more white who have more indigenous ancestry than very native looking mexicans
What you wrote here is 100 percent correct for my Mexican husband from Acapulco.
His DNA test showed that he is
70 percent Native American,
14 percent African,
7 percent European,
6 percent Philippines,
and then a random 2 percent Japanese, and 1 percent Jewish.
Most Mexicans are more Iberic in their DNA but in general look Indigenous-Mexican
Another major event that helped define Mexican-Americans as "Caucasian" or "white" for legal reasons was World War II. The military was still segregated and separated white and African-American service members in segregated units. During the war Mexican-Americans and other Latinos were classified as "white" and could serve alongside white troops. The US needed the manpower and could stomach that level of integration but wouldn't extend it to black troops until after the war.
I'm Mexican had my DNA test . 96% white 4% Native Mexican.. Jalisco ...❤❤❤❤❤❤
You're a spaniard
Your 94 percent Iberian is higher than a native average from Spain.
The second president of Mexico was Afro-Mexican, and he ended slavery. Depends on the country regarding predominate ancestry. Some are more white or African, etc.
That’s been proven to be a lie that got turned to myth that many folks now accept as facts 🤦♂️
Very interesting and well presented. Thank you for sharing.
So nice of you
for a country that is so obsessed with race and identity, there's so much ignorance perpetuated in the U.S on this topic, I've had many friends say he's not white he's mexican, which first of all I never once tell people I'm mexican, I will tell them I'm latino/hispanic but they'll forget and default to Mexican (which my family is actually Salvy) but just the fact that they confuse nationality with race shows the problem. And though most latino's aren't 100% caucasian, most of us do have caucasian ancestry to say that we're not is rejecting a part of our heritage, And when I bring up how most of us speak a language originating from a caucasian country (Spain/Portuguese), practice a religion from Europe and some of us are even born with fair skin like myself then their perception switches to your not white, you guys are tan or olive skin.. (even though my skin tone is visually lighter than that caucasian american.. I guess I'm somehow just not white enough? Not to mention various federal forms like the census also labeling hispanic as a race which further perpetuates this. I am also proud of my indigenous heritage but I am mestizo meaning I'm mixed though I found that to mean I belong to both backgrounds, not one or the other or even neither as many people have come to believe.
What percentage of your genetic structure is European? Are you more European or Native?
Spain was much more obsessed with race than the USA its a big reason they did the Spanish Inquisition Spain was obsessed with racial purity they forced the Basque people to wear a dead chicken leg around their necks to signify their low caste and its also why Spain created a caste system in Mexico
@@VikingforLife-r5n😂 and Britains decide to wipe out the land and pushed the few natives alive into reservations.
@@VikingforLife-r5n The one drop rule was far worse. Those who obviously were white consigned to slavery on the basis of being 1/32 or less black. Mark Twain penned one short story on such a case and exposed the absurdity of holding to such a standard.
In 2024 why do you continue to embrace a False and Hateful Society that keeps a Nation sperated. Racism is illogical embrace Humanity.
Well back in the 70’s, I was in the 3rd grade in a public school in the east side of Los Angeles. I remember we had some kind of student exchange program with kids from a mostly white school. So the first semester I stayed at my school while some of our students went to that other school and some of their students came to our school. With the exception of one Asian kid, they were all white. That Asian kid was super academically gifted. He also was the only kid to get into a fight which happened to be with another kid from his school. He was a real nice kid so I don’t think he started the fight. I got to go to the other school for the second semester.
Thank you ❤ much love from San Diego California
We need a flag for Mexican Americans that know the history of the hard times
I can believe this bc I consider Mexicans white myself and I’m a black man
Black.🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@WhyYouMadd40 so does it matter
@@SmileyToons82 wym does it matter? 🤣🤣🤣 you sound stressed over there champ calm down.
Yea whyyoumadd, you going to answer him? It's been 10 hours
@@targetedindividualjros1745 answer him bout what? WTF is y’all talking bout? Niggas under my post like I said something disrespectful mane GTFO with that nutt ass shìt
Thank you for bringing light to this. My grandfather who is Mexican-american has stories of segregation. Seems like history only talks about blacks suffering racism. But our family went through the same 💩 because we are Mexican.
The reason why they only talk about blacks is because Mexican race fell right behind blacks meaning you were looked at as the same so there was no need to mention you because what blks went through included you . Not to mention you’re still going through those things right now with them trying to kick you guys out of the country. You guys are still kinda fighting for your rights. White Americans won’t acknowledge you guys as white because us white Americans don’t acknowledge the Spain people as whites they might look white but they are not white Spanish isn’t European if anything they are like the black whites. Same with Jews and Germans the more you Mexican try to cling on to that Spaniard thing the more Spaniards are pushed away from being white
I am Mexican American and my birth certificate says white Caucasian.
It shouldn't, mine doesn't & I'm Chicano as well. Change it if you're proud to be Mexican.🇲🇽
@@eddiev2o9 Get them to correct your birth certificate.
That's just your race, by Nationality you are American and still be Mexican by getting dual citizenship. Being Mexican isnt a race, you dont have to be brown skinned to be Mexican. If you're not actually white then get them to correct it
My wife is half Anglo and half-Mexican and she is dropped dead gorgeous I am so lucky
The Mexican residents of this town were not descended from the small number of 7,000 Spanish speakers annexed in 1848; they were largely immigrants and their children who entered between 1910-1930 during the Porfirio Diaz Revolution in Mexico. Immigration from Mexico before this was minuscule.
They were not the people who owned and lived on the land prior to 1848
I found the video to be very interesting, especially since I am Mexican-American (born in Oregon, my parents are from Arizona and Texas) and I have family who grew up and still live in Lemon Grove. But to be objective, there may be another factor contributing to why we may be considered white.
I found this topic interesting when I read my birth certificate, which had “white” listed as the race of both of my parents, who are both Mexican-American. Upon researching it further, I learned that the reason for this may be based on anthropology and not necessarily by race, heritage, genealogy, or culture. “Race is a socially defined aspect of identity that often incorporates biological characteristics such as skin pigmentation or facial features”. Although the government may consider us as white, the government also differentiates between Hispanic and non-Hispanic Whites. I also learned that features inherited from generation to generation are expressed in the morphology (shape) of the human skull. This is what I found while searching for skull types on the internet:
“Forensic anthropologists examine the morphology of the skull in great detail and take measurements of multiple individual facets. Comparing this data with data from the worldwide population allows anthropologists to conclude where in the world an individual’s family has originated from. Individuals of European descent tend to have long narrow faces with fairly flat facial profiles and sharply angled nasal bones. Those of Asian ancestry have wider and shorter faces with prominent cheekbones while individuals of African descent have a wide nasal cavity and a prominent mouth region when viewed in profile”. Native Americans have the Asian skull type.
Given the fact that Mexicans, or mestizos (culturally Mexican) are a mix of indigenous and Spanish people, we tend to have the Caucasian skull type, which stands to reason since we are neither Asian nor African in anthropological terms. I'm certain that there may be other factors that contribute to the topic as well, I'll need to do some more research on the topic.
Both my parents were born in the 30s, both American of Mexican decent their birth certificates say White.
Great content
Brown and proud
Absolutely.
Lemon Grove is part of San Diego county its always been a working clas neighborhood, definitely not one of
San Diegos upper middle class neighborhoods.
Mexicans have been considered white on paper in california during the drafts, they also were considered white in prisons.
Interesting how flexible it is to be considered "white" in the U.S. The white population that spoke English obviously considered themselves to be above their Mexican neighbours though and wanted the Mexican children taught in a separate facility.
Wow …. I came across your video …. Thank you !…. ❤
I know and have heard a lot of about this history and while my grandparents legally immigrated to SO CA in 1925 I don’t consider myself a victim. I think dwelling on this gives people a victim mentality.
I am Mexican, 6'3" white, brown eyes, my middle brother was super white with blue eyes and my younger brother was green eyes. We are from Spanish and native descent.
@@noroy2 son de Tejas
You don't look white you still look Mexican(indigenous)
I’m olive skin with green eyes. I look Portuguese or Italian but I’m considered brown even tho I turn pink in the sun
As a crafter, the colour white is both a great accent colour and a wonderful main colour. Hearing these accounts of the "muddy" journeys to being classified as "white" in America is so ironic. I guess that some mud can appear white when dried? 🤷
I hope that we can continue to move to a place of understanding that ALL humans are more similar than different once one looks past skin colour, language, and culture. 💖
I prefer black as a neutral color for crafting. I think that it sets off the colors better and like it better than white for the same purpose.
@ou8r122 I know black and white are not technically colors. Black absorbs all light. White reflects all light.
Their are a lot of "White Americans " who are brown skin tone like Joe Rogan and /or Russell Brant the British Reporter.
Brilliant!!!
Keep up the good work!!❤
There was and is bad people all over the world . I don’t know why this matters yes its history but i don’t feel any anger at our white fellow Americans.. As a Brown Mexican raised in Los Angeles I never felt or had the need to fit in with the anglo population or even the need to mix with Anglos For the most part segregation has been and is ok with most Mexican Americans .The fact is as tax payers we do demand equal education for our children. What we lacked in our communities we creat or work around it. We are very family and community orientated we take pride in our families and communities. Truth is mexican American kids have never considered themselves anglo American (European decent) we take pride in our mestizó blood lines we don’t want hand outs we want self sufficiency
My friends that were of Mexican heritage, American born lived in my neighborhood. Two families on my street that could speak only English. I don’t know if their parents could speak anything except English.
I lived in Galveston, Texas.
Galveston has a History. Thats where Freedom was Established.Two years Later. June 10 was always Celebrated. They were still using Slaves that were Free, but were Still Slaves to them.( I am sure they never received back Pay.) Did you know about the Alamo. Settlers Fought against Mexico for theIr Profits.NOT TAXES AS SCHOOL BOOKS TELL US. Mexico had established Freedom from Slavery. The New Texans Wanted Slavery. They Needed it for Profit, to work their New Land. In School we learned it was because of Taxes.( If only we could get our system to tell us truth, instead of covering up Their Atrocities.) We should have remained Mexican. Their Taxes are much Better than Ours.They Killed the Mexican President Because of His Stand on Slavery. Texas is full of PREDJUICE. Thats one reason I will never live there again. Full of Sick People.Their Politians atr Mindless.
The treaty of Hidalgo dictated that Mexicans be considered and should be treated with the same rights as anglos
“The soft bigotry of low expectations “.
oh yah you nailed it
Thank you! Always looking for more history on being Mexican American in CA.
Mexican American not white they're native descent
Half white, very few are full blooded indigenous, only Mexican Americans who hate themselves are trying to erase the white half
That's not true. Just like in the US. The Mexican country is a multiracial and multi-ethnic nationality. Anyone can obtain citizenship and become Mexican. The older generation of my family has green eyes and blond hair while the younger has brown skin. The majority of the Mexican population is of Spaniard decent. A majority of the native population was killed off before being integrated into Spain.
Then how can I trace my ancestors to Europe?? I’m from Zacatecas mainly
😂😂😂 Most have more European blood than indigenous
In the central and south part ,where most people live, this is not true. I'm from Texas and have 58 percent indigenous DNA.
They still aren't white, most Mexicans are mestizos i:e: a mix between native Americans and Spanish.
Native Americans are descended from the caucasian race so they are "white" as well. Just a darker shade of white in some cases.
@@dinkster1729 Native Americans came here 12,000+ years ago. They have become different over this time and it is not correct to call them Caucasian anymore.
@@johnnyearp52 ??? Their cultures are different, but so are ours from the people who left the Caucasus mountains.
@@dinkster1729 Most "white" people in the USA are not Caucasian. Native Americans are not Caucasian either.
How do you define "White"? If the indigenous of North America are indeed White and DNA tells us that they are and the Indigenous people of Spain are largely White certainly. then, the traditional Mexicans are also largely White according to their DNA.
When I was preteen I moved away from Los Angeles to Texas, leaving friends and family behind. Yes, there are more white people in TX. When I visit my family they call me “bolillo” because they say I’m “whitewashed”. The thing is, I’m not white washed. I hold my roots very close to my heart. In fact, I speak, read in write very fluently in Spanish better than my family and I take pride in that. I speak both English and Spanish with no accent of either origin. But they call me whitewash because I don’t follow or show the stereotype they follow.
I got to live in Mexico and I was shocked how un-stereotype real Mexicans are and how Mexican Americans perceive them to be. I think it all depends on the genuine individual who does not follow a template that a certain group of people do. It’s all about breaking away from the tribal mindset and being your own genuine self. Separating being human from identity/ego.
Spain has a very derogatory term for Latinos about race that I won't repeat, but Spain considers themselves European/white and Latinos as non European/non white.
You are right in Spain there is discrimination but also many good people Mexicans are not Europeans we are more indigenous than anything if we have a percentage of blood from Europe but we are in Indigenous majority that's how it is
im argentinian living in spain and it depends, argentinians and uruguayans are often considered the same ethnicity and if an argentinian have indigenous features they will always say "you dont look argentinian" if you're bolivian, peruvian, mexican etc then yeah you're right
What is the derogatory term?
@randomcamus9445 we Mexicans are more European than Indigenous-Mexican ~That is why we are referred to as Latino
@@colinchampollion4420 idk, isnt the south way more indigenous than european? is south mexico not latino for that reason? weird
Spelling out the inconsistencies in how hispanic Americans have been treated and legally defined is an important statement in this video. I have cousins who are the children of both Mexican and Spanish immigrants and they choose to call themselves the latter because of the perceived whiteness (i.e. Europeanness) it conveys. To this day, Mexican immigrants are treated differently because of their predominately indigenous nature.
Not sure what you mean by “indigenous nature”. Do you mean how they look?? Sounds like you’re trying to make an oh so subtle racial slur, eh?! By the way, not all Mexican Americans label themselves “Spanish” only. Many I have personally known (in California and the Southwest) are proud of their indigenous Mexican heritage. Perhaps 100+ years ago some Mexican Americans may have emphasized the Spanish, but that’s definitely not necessarily the case with many in this day and age!
@culturalobserver8721
Yes, I do mean because of how we look. My grandfather's lighter skinned, more Hispanic family treated my grandmother poorly because of her darker, more native looking complexion. Her 11 children, including my father, had her same darker complexion and were also looked down upon by their paternal uncle, aunts, and even some cousins because of it. While I will grant that it was 60+ years ago, there are still some subtle ways this still happens to this day. But who knows, maybe some of those Mexican Americans you have known in California are my cousins, who stretch the entire length and breadth of the state. There are so many that I have lost count.
I am personally very proud of my mixed heritage, mostly Spanish, but quite a bit of indigenous, with a smattering of African and Jewish for good measure. But Mexican migrants are still treated differently in the United States to this day. It is one of the reasons why, when one hears mention of the border crisis, one immediately thinks of the southern border with Mexico and not those pesky Canadians who come visit us here in Arizona every winter.
@@culturalobserver8721
That wasn’t my experience and I’m from LA. In my college years, many racially passing white Mexicans would only mainly hang out with other white people. I knew of some that would even deny their heritage. I have more indigenous features and always get mistaken for native, most only knew because of my name. I guess we all see it differently. I would also hear many of them say they were Spanish or Spanish Descendants which is partly or completely true depending on their ancestry.
Very informative, thanks. You’ve got a new subscriber here. I’m 3rd generation American of Mexican descent (AOMD). Have you done a story of how the U.S. Schools swatted the Spanish language out of the homes and AOMD children for the next generations? This is what happens to my family in El Paso & Los Angeles. I also met someone yrs ago who stated the same happened to their family’s in AZ. Just wondering if you’d done a story about this?
welcome! no but I did do a video on the deportation of americans with Mexican heritage during the great depression! I'll look into what you shared, thank you!
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@@nytn great, thanks for the other vid. Good evening ~ Rob
Interesting. My family was from Mora Valley. After the Hidalgo treaty, they fought a bunch of skirmish battles in and around NM, San Luis valley in Colorado, and after they went to Wyoming for concrete and railroad work. According to my grandpa no one started speaking English till about 1940 so his age group.
Yes Mexicans in the us that have Spanish ancestry are white but they been lost in the mix with Mexicans of indigenous decent and all are treated as second class citizens along with the Mexican kids.
Having Spanish is not automatically white. I've African ancestry thru my Spanish side.
Mexicans def have a strong spanish/gringo side, they love jesus and their favorite music mariachi is an offshoot of polka. Its all very european now.
Not the food.
@@johnnyearp52the food has European influences, mixed with native influences, it also depends on the region. Cuisine varies by region in Mexico.
Culturally European. Ethnically mostly Amerindian though
Culturally mexican, it's not straight up European its got a Mexican twist
It is unfortunate that other ethnicities are now truly understanding and feeling what African Americans have been dealing with for a very long time. Discrimination is very repugnant, and as an African-American woman I have experienced it, as well as my people for a very long time. I hope that other ethnicities take this into consideration and understand that they must be mindful of how they treat, as well as engage with african-americans.
Sadly other ethnicities who are non white have discriminated and treated African-Americans poorly as well. Now that other ethnicities are truly figuring out that not only are they being treated poorly now they understand what we've been going through. It's sad that it takes situations like this to bring all of this to light and have empathy for other people.
But blacks are racist against latinos , trust me I know , you guys are doing to others, what you dislike the most , specially Africans that are new to our continent, they already bring the mind set that it’s ok to disrespect us
Notice you didn’t receive many likes for your comment. The racist brainwashing is strong with these “Mexicans” who don’t really want to look like a real indigenous Mexican 😂. Oh, Burn 🔥 your cape Sis! The lord surely works in mysterious ways. The immigrants have actually handed us the win we’ve fought ✊🏾so long for. They can’t see it past their selfish 🤑🇺🇸 ambitions yet. 😂 💆🏽♀️Won’t he do it!🙏🏽🥳
I know about this. I don’t know if I can finish it. It never ceases to amaze me how human beings can find ways to dehumanize other Human Beings. What The Absolute Fk?!
They Do It Because Their Need to Feel Superior. Still Upset Because they Lost the War, still living in The past.( over 2 hundred years) Such Sickness Makes me Very Leary of Human Beings and Their Thought Patterns. I Belong to the White race, they make me Hang My Head in Shame. If God Created Us All. Then How Does Mortal Man Assume they Can Destroy his Works. Certainly not Christian. Insulting Gods Creations. For this Attitude Im sure God May Reject them at those Pearly Gates.
These conflicts have more to do with social classes than race.
Well there are white Mexicans, Mexicans who have little or no racial mixing with the Natives going back to the days of the Conquest. These are mostly the ruling class.
I any case Hispanic or Latino is not a biological race (pretending there is such a thing in the first place) but a cultural grouping.
Most white mexicans are not from the conquest LOL they came after the Mexican independence and most are not in the ruling class, not sure where some of you get your information from LOL maybe from telenovelas
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Maybe not most but some. Some of them do have ties to the old hacienda system. That said I don't claim to be a master in Mexican history. Oh well.
Sorry, there are no purebred European Mexicans since the conquest... They are all mixed.. If they are purebred European then they are of a recent migration..not from conquistadors from 500 years ago.
European also came over in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s to partake in blanqueamiento which is racial whitening. There were Asians that were in the Americas prior who came from the Manila Galleon’s and they were later relabeled as natives, prior to them there were Asians that came over and colonized as well as Roman’s who were Latins who were Eurasians occupying Hebrew lands. So if people check their haplogroups more time than no it shows that many natives come from Asian moms and European dads. Their haplogroups A,B,C,D,M,N, and X branch off of L3 which is Hamitic and the same line as the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Canaanites etc. so many natives were descendants of Europeans born in the Americas or Asians born in the Americas or a combination being Eurasian or Asiapean what many now would call mestizo which is a mix typically coming from Asian moms and European dads.
@@bluetinsel7099 That makes no sense.
Mexican within the USA is basically an ethnic group. Its no different than black Americans or Italian Americans
How ethnic are Black Americans? Some of them sound very like northern Americans, don't they and have the same level of education or a better level of education.
@@dinkster1729 they do and can still be black American. You can say that about any ethnic group.
so do you think that spanish people from europe are not white too?
@@clintonjefferson6494 we are foundation black American 🇺🇸
And please watch your dirty mouth it's always people who family had fled here feel they are owned smoothing all yall owned it a ticket black to yall home land 🇺🇸
@@amela658Spanish is not White. White are Anglo Saxons.