Fighting Tseng would be a bit sad, since he was helping Zack and Cloud, kept all of Aerith letters for Zack and even was nice to Aerith. Tseng is actually some kind of friend.
I get the sentiment, but he's still head of the Turks. Y'know, the guys that killed untold amounts of people by dropping a section of the city onto the slums
@@Wisekuma I literally said anti hero lol never said he's good or bad guy, also he had feelings for aerith since they were kids also that's why kidnapping her took so long, for your information mate
Not only Tseng, I remembered I was anticipating to have a second round with Rufus after a relatively light but memorable first encounter at the roof of shinra building. I’m glad the remake gave that fight plenty of attention though.
A little out of place though, seeing as whilst Cloud was technically a failure as a SOLDIER enlistee - he still went through with the procedure and during his stint with his mind maintaining a portion of everything Zack imparted, so he had the strength and power of a SOLDIER First Class. Now Rufus, being the son of the president naturally having had a rather luxurious lifestyle - I can't see HOW he would have been much of a competition when SOLDIER were trained and deemed the best. Cloud by default ought to have utterly annihilated him - the only saving Rufus: plot armour. Same with Reno, same with Rude. It never made any sense to me.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga the Turks must have something buffing them and Remake Rufus as well I can't prove it but you can't convince me otherwise as for the Luxurious lifestyle it's pretty evident that Rufus has worked his ass off to polish himself to take down his father a person who relies on their wealth wouldn't have actively tried to overthrow his father like Rufus did a person with those characteristics would have just waited until his father died
A few bosses I would've liked to see take place that ultimately didn't happen - Final Fantasy V - versus Xezat/Kelger, as a test to prove your skill Final Fantasy VIII - versus Seifer, with Fujin and Raijin at his side Final Fantasy XII - versus the Occuria (not Venat)
Forgive me if my memory is failling already, but by the point Fujin and Raijin snap Seifer out of Ultimecia simping he's no longer hostile, is he? Then again having a sorta epilogue fight to bookend the game would've been nice.
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe Seifer is told by Fujin that she and Raijin can no longer follow him due to how twisted he had become, as thanks to Ultimecia's influence controlling him from behind the scenes he acted as he did.
The occuria surprised me too, given how much weight they had in the storyline. But, really, the occuria were always about never getting their hands directly dirty so I guess it makes sense (which was partially why venat was the black sheep). Seifer, Fu and Rai would've been a fun fight, given their individual abilities.
I'm of two minds on Anabella. Obviously she is a horribly awful person and deserved so much retribution after what she had done, but I also don't feel like Clive or Joshua would have ever taken up arms against her, even after all she had done. They are just too good and decent for that. And Anabella just wasn't combat-focused so it wouldn't have been any sort of a fight anyway. I did entertain the idea that she would escape and Ultima would find her and use her as "bait" to get Clive and Co. to show up, and she would be possessed and perhaps transformed into an Akashic boss of sorts, but honestly, I like that we didn't get that. Anabella's villainy was horrific, but despite her cruelty, she wasn't a physical threat and dispatching her would have seemed like a step too far for Clive and Joshua.
I hated that Jihl Nabaat was killed off in a cutscene. Fighting her would have been great for Sazh's arc. She should have been made a bigger villain in XIII's story. I didn't expect to fight Anabella since she had no combat abilities, but they definitely killed her off in an anticlimactic fashion. What are her thoughts once she realizes that the Phoenix didn't choose Clive because he was Ifrit? She betrayed Rosaria because she felt going to Sanbreque and joining the Phoenix with Bahamut would make her stronger politically, but ironically she was raising three Eikons (Phoenix, Ifrit and Shiva) in Rosaria. The story could have been more interesting if this was given more attention. Anabella is power hungry and the game should have made her realize that made the mistake in betraying Rosaria. Also, since she thought Joshua was dead, was she expecting Olivier to awaken as the Phoenix? She's doting on Olivier despite him appearing weaker than Clive and even Joshua at a similar age. XVI didn't handle Anabella as well as it could have.
Tseng does seem an odd choice to start with. I mean, yes, he was Rude & Reno's boss... and he instructed Rude and Reno to destroy the pillar holding up the Sector 7 Plate (at President Shinra's order), but unlike Hojo, President Shinra, Heidegger, Scarlet, and Corneo... Although I wouldn't exactly call him a "friend" to Zack, Cloud, and company... he did at times show some signs of having a conscience and moral compass. He didn't seem completely evil, even though his job required him to do things that were undoubtedly evil.
This was fixed with the Remake but I always found intriguing how you never get to fight human Sephiroth in the original FF7 (I wouldn't count the very last fight since is all an scripted event)
Not only that. We don’t even encounter him outside the north crater or flashbacks. Every Sephiroth encounter is an illusion or a Jenova vessel (even the one famous with Aerith).
Tseng was such a pushover in Rebirth. I remember in Remake Reno and Rude were quite a challenge (unless you understood their mechanics ^^). In Rebirth they had the characteristics they had in Advent Children.
I interpreted Anabella's suicide occurring because she went mad and was no longer able to perceive reality upon the return of Joshua, not as an out because she had nothing else to live for.
You know. I really wanted to fight Pulse and Lindzei and not as just scythes that Bhuni wielded. Pulse had an insanely great design in the 5 seconds we see him in FF13.
It is a bit of a shame that Brahne was never fought, not even once. While her comeuppance was executed quite nicely, it would have been interesting to see what kind of fight she could give since so much of her power came from powerful underlings and stolen summons. I can definitely see the fight being played out very emotionally, as Garnet would have likely had a lot of reservations about using any kind of force on her adoptive mother, even if it were just to subdue her and force her off the throne.
We never fight Emperor Varis in FFXIV Not really at least The one canon battle we have against him happens within Cid's memories of the Bozja incident, and then Memoria Misera is a non-canon battle based on said memories
I never took Tseng as a villian, and instead as someone who's just trying to do his job. Aeris even said something about how he was the one who was nice to her when she finds him at the entrance of the black pyramid. However we don't get to fight Don Corneo even though probably everyone wanted to. He has his pet take the battle for him.
@@djmeagaaim17 Tifa slap-fights Scarlet on the barrel of the Junon cannon on disc 2. You fight both Scarlet and Heidegger inside of Scarlet's mecha "Proud Clod" where after beating it, it crawls back, explodes, and presumably kills the both of them.
This is one with a slight asterisk, but Golbez in FF4. Yes we have a fight with him in Dwarf Castle when Rydia returns but it's so short. We never got the epic full party battle with him before Zemus is revealed as the puppet master.
I kinda wish Anabella served more of a purpose in story like she had the workings of a great mastermind and a really compelling villain like I kinda wish she had more of an impact on the story itself, I also kinda wish that she wasn't regulated to the standard Cersei Lannister villain archetype like i know that it makes sense for the world but when it comes to female antagonists in this game they tend to feel lackluster I kinda feel the same way about Benedikta she was also very underutilized in the whole of the story but she had a little more of an impact than Anabella
I'm so glad somebody else loves FFXIII, it gets so much hate from everybody and it's so undeserved! And agreed, I would've loved to have had a Jihl boss fight.
@@xXMuseFan1996Xx The sorta issue with the fight we _did get_ (barring the fact that even the word DLC is controversial, as if it was't that bad already), is that neither Serah nor Noel have any beef with Nabaat, for Sazh it would have been catharsys, by XIII-2 is just fanservice. (Jokes about the other kind of fanservice in 3, 2, 1...) But it boils down to this, from a XIII fan to others, that game's directing lead to straight up questionable desicions... Yes, even I get tired of complaining about the toriyama influence, but it would have been that much of an additional pacing blow to have Disley have her tire the l'cies out, so his plot twist was even harsher psychically? That's why he lost, he didn't even understood the battle system of the game he appeared in to begin with!
Really appreciate the spoiler warning for FFXVI! I have it but haven't had a chance to finish it yet, so being able to turn it off before anything got spoiled was nice. Plan on coming back here after I finish the game.
@@xXMuseFan1996Xx Yeah. Apparently that’s the reason why (in the Japanese version) Elena talks about him still being alive. Once again, I am emphasizing I believe I’ve seen this, but I haven’t personally read the Ultimanias and Omegas, I am going off what I have seen others say.
@@mikeclark7026 Wow, they really sidelined his character back then didn't they? Haha Well, now that the Remake is going to be three parts and they're expanding on the story, hopefully we'll be able to get that boss fight 😀
All of these are accurate. I have always said that Kefka was the best villain of FF because his motivation was he just wanted to see people suffer. I think that Clive's mother may be worse because she based her life on the idea of creating and controlling perfection. When she lost what she thought was perfection, she literally couldn't see her other sons begging to be able to forgive her and move on. The only decision that seemed rational to her was to kill herself. Having known suicidal people over the years, I have seen this happen for real. Even with proof that a person matters, they choose to give up. Perhaps the most broken and human villain in the franchise. As much as I hated her character, I understood her.
Hang on, I don’t remember you getting to fight Elena in the mithril mines. I thought they all just took off after she talked too much about their goals.
I love this type of topics, these fun facts that makes you wonder over different FF games to see if they (all or most of them) share that and start wondering game by game is really fun to do; nice job!
Some of these were great antagonists, but I don't think players ever expected to fight characters like Mika or Brahme given that they never demonstrated any kind of combat prowess. They always had lackeys.
I mean, you could probably justify beating up someone like Don Corneo, but Queen Brahne? Gender stereotypes aside it would have felt like bullying, sorta... (And as mentioned, lackeys and summons).
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe You can justify beating up any of them because they are bad people who did bad things. But just because you'd want to beat them up doesn't mean they look like a likely opponent.
@@GilMeansJoy Oh, don't get me wrong, they _did_ deserve meeting Star Platinum, but Japan is the kind of country that still pulls bullshit like this based on outdated ideas about gender (cough cough PERSONA cough). There's also the fact said fights would not be a challenge, an unforgivable sin for... let's just call them the "special" side of this fandom...
I was really hoping Clive or Joshua would get to have a showdown with her. Like her new son would have not been as strong and Clive easily took care of him. And then their mom tried to get back on their good side, only for them to throw her to the proverbial wolves and like let the orc's take care of her. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and she didn't get the ending she deserved. She deserved so much worse.
@@mikeozello I didn't wanted to hurt the kid (unless it had turn out that the kid was a body Ultima was growing for himself or something like that) but i definitely agree she deserved worse
I agree she deserved a brutal punishment. Though a boss fight nah... She is like a bug that needs to be properly squashed. What amazes me is that Clive and Joshua are trying to reach out to her (shear stupidity). When she committed genocide based on her twisted standards. Sorry but that kind of a character is nonredeemable whatsoever. I thought that Dion would turn her into dust (along with the shitty dad of his and the Olivier/Ultima puppet) when in his Bahamut form, That would be epic, I mean the potential of the game is wasted as the story goes. The Dark Clive side was a waste too. The producer could have made something like the Dark version of the Prince of Persia where he would torment Clive for the entirety of the story. Wasted potential..just like FFXV story. Rating story C or D. Below average :) Square Enix if you are reading this take a pause from FF series for a year and remaster Vagrant Story that game knows how a story should be. Or better make a remake and plan a sequel.
I agree. I felt especially with the tie in quest after RotZ and CoP where you right Kamlanaut and Ealdnarche again, it would have been a great opportunity to actually fight Nagmolada too. Sadly it wasn't meant to be...
it would have been nice to strike and cross blades with many of the Zodiac Braves more than once, from the Tactics Ps1 game. Especially being able to maybe finish off a couple of key bosses before they got to disappear or power up. Im looking at you Wiegraf. But its understandable that we fought who we did in those forms. Also getting to fight Jhect in non-summon form! That wouldve been a really cool fight, and being on the recieving end of the Jhect Shot! but whatever ya know. His summon fight with Otherworld blasting was cool too i guess.
#1: In my fan fiction, I sent her to the Cenobites from the Hellraiser universe. Oh dear Anabella, they’ll tear your soul apart…. *Pinehead voice sold separately*
Brahme, Gestahl, and Mika aren’t characters that most FF fans expected to fight. While they had considerable forces at their command, there wasn’t anything about them that suggested they would be a formidable adversary in combat. Additionally, all three games made it very clear that powerful underlings were either manipulating them or would betray them before long. With that said, the pick for FF6 should have been General Leo. We are led to believe he is quite powerful, and that the fight with him would be both difficult and one of reluctance on both sides since the Returners had great respect for the general. FFVI could have very easily had him be a thorn for the party during the world of balance, much like Beatrix would be during the first half of FFIX.
I'd like to make a case for FFXII and FFXV with Venat and Imperial Emperor respectfully. In FFXIII it is shown that most of the fiendish events beyond conquest done by Arcadian empire in their war against the Rozarrian empire, is orcastrated from behind the scenes by Venat, a race of divine-like beings called the Occuria. For a series like FF, you'd think you'd get the chance to go toe to toe with the great evil in the climax of the story like so many other titles before it, but no Venat acts like deus machenia so you can have a round three with Vayne by combining to create the boss The Undying. Afterwards there's no mention of him or nothing else to flesh out his character or involvement in the story. Similar in that vain, in FFXV the Niflheim empire has been a constant presence throughout the game as it's primary antagonist, with emperor Iedolas being directly responsible for the death of king Regis (the hero's father) at the beginning of the game, you'd think you'd get some kind of retribution when you finally make it to the imperial capital, but no, the game jumps 10 years into the future for the end game (for contrived reasons) and it's revealed that the emperor in that time has been transformed into a demon enemy to which you do have an annoying encounter with, it's not revealed until afterwards that even was the Iedolas and the emotional impact isn't there.
You are wrong about Venat. The Occuria he was apart of were indeed manipulating things from behind the scenes, but he was stated to have gone Rogue, breaking away from the others in an attempt to "break" the control the others had over Ivalice (which ultimately worked) The boss fight that was definitely missed was against the Occuria, not Venat himself.
I thought both Venat and the Occuria should have been bosses towards the end of the game. The Occuria right before Gabranth and Doctor Cid shows up and Venat during the final boss rush. I also thought that Drace (maybe as a zombie pumped with neciete much like Bergen was), and the other Judge should have been proper bosses in the main story. I also thought you should have been able to go to the Rozarrian empire at some point. I always thought it would have been interesting to for a fight against the aracdian senate
I think you made a mistake in your research this time. In FFVI, Kefka never struck Gestahl, it was the waring triad going berserk. Kefka litteraly ask them "Where are you aiming?" during the scene showing he wasn't part of the attack, just a bystander taking joy in the whole thing.
@@atlasvista But he was already dead at that time. The video implied Kefka was the one who killed him, which is absolutely false. But just to make it clearer what I meant, he never struck Gesthal while he was alive. There is a theory saying Gesthal deathwas the last straw before Kefka's mind completely broke down, one I kind of believe in. It says that seeing him get struck down by the magic's god like that gave him the impression the triad welcomed him as one of them, which finaly shed him of the last bit of humanity he still had left, as little as it was. He might have hated Gesthal at the end, but he still had too much regard toward him to do anything against him, when he lost him, that was the end of his remaining sanity.
@@atlasvista But that would be false too. What made the triad go berserk was the aggresivity around them, not just Kefka. Kefka only interacted with them after Gesthal was dead. It is true he interacted with the field between them before that, but the triad were already aggresive by that time.
Not a FF game, but I would have loved to get a crack at Krelian from Xenogears. Dude committed centuries worth of atrocities and at the end just walked away.
Oh man that's weird, I could have sworn I did fight Tseng but upon rethinking it extensively, yeah I didn't. It's been years but I remember everything about FF 7 so I don't know how I could make that mistake.
Parrying the apocalypse was kinda neat, but by that point they neutered Spikey boy and likely didn't want to have the resolution include him slurping soup in a mental ward somewhere as the conclusion.
I hated Annabella right away. However I hated her more when she told Clive "It should have been you." Proving she only loved Joshua because he was the Phoenix. At least that's how I see the meaning of that line.
Honestly, I don’t mind not fighting Mika. Sure, he’s an unsent, but he’s still an old man, I don’t think he’d put up that good of a fight. Breaking his lies and false hope so that he willingly accepted death seemed much more satisfying to me, even funny the first time around.
You have an error in your list. You state that you fight Elena in the Mythril Mines in FF7 but you don’t fight anyone there, you run into the Turks, talk with them and they leave. You don’t fight Elena until the raid on Midgar in disc 2 and that’s only if you choose to.
While not "iconic", I wish we could have fought all of the FF12 Judges (even if some of them weren't evil), and maybe got their weapons as loot, that would have been nice
Tseng isn't a villian or an antagonist. He just has a different path than the main group. He had been Aerith's protecter for over a decade, helped Zack and Cloud, Tseng even, on several occasions, told the main group that they weren't enemies, and that the Turks didn't want a fight with them...The turks have never been the enemy...ever
Speaking for the Final Fantasy Tactics crowd, for as much conniving and political shit he pulls, love him or hate him... it'd be satisfying to deck Delita in the face. The man outright tells you TO YOU FACE that he's betraying EVERYONE to get what he wants, and Ramza's like "Oh, neat, I'm gonna go off to tell Orlandeau that shit's going down. Kay bye bestie." And one of his associates rolls up and says, "You're betraying him too. Wow." And he retorts with, "Shuuuuut uuuup, you're not my mom. I can betray my best friend for personal gain if I want to." Don't get me wrong, I kinda love Delita. But he's SUCH a bastard, it'd be kinda cathartic to punch him. He needs a good monk-punch to the face.
Thank you for the spoiler warning! As badly as i want to, i still havent gotten FFXVI. Im avoiding watching playthroughs and want to go in fresh. (Well... i did play the demo... so.. after that point at least.) Cheers!
Fighting Annabella?? Lol, she really can't fight though. She's not a bearer. She would be no challenge, save for swinging a knife recklessly and sloppily lol
Tseng: He wasn't really a villain, none of the Turks were. They were the equivalent of CP9/0 in New World stuff in One Piece. They're villains for one bit, and then the rest of the time they're either allies or just in the background. Mika: Honestly, the only other Maester I'd fight is Kinoc, but they kill him off. Naabat: THAT I'm fucking surprised at. Leon: He's kind of just the Sasuke of FF2, to be honest. I wouldn't hav minded fighting him, but...he also didn't do a whole lot as a villian. Gesthal: I'm frankly surprised we didn't. Not as much as Naabat, but still. Brahne: We really didn't need to, she got what she deserved from trying to fight Kuja.
Haha! FFXV having a fulfilling climatic payoff…you mean the one that’s not the real ending and they stuck the true real ending in a novel because they failed to support the devs in finishing the game?
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Fighting Tseng would be a bit sad, since he was helping Zack and Cloud, kept all of Aerith letters for Zack and even was nice to Aerith. Tseng is actually some kind of friend.
I would never classified tseng as antagonist. He was more like anti hero of the tale which OG game made him dirty but driven by motives
Yeah. He only lightly slapped Aeris on the face when kidnapping her. Good guy.
I get the sentiment, but he's still head of the Turks. Y'know, the guys that killed untold amounts of people by dropping a section of the city onto the slums
@@Wisekuma I literally said anti hero lol never said he's good or bad guy, also he had feelings for aerith since they were kids also that's why kidnapping her took so long, for your information mate
@@Wisekuma they retconned that pretty much. At that point tgey would not know there will be a whole compilation with much more character development
Fun fact about Jihl Naabat voice actress Paula Tiso was also the voice of Lulu from FF X
Not only Tseng, I remembered I was anticipating to have a second round with Rufus after a relatively light but memorable first encounter at the roof of shinra building. I’m glad the remake gave that fight plenty of attention though.
Same, I found myself audibly saying "Damn, they made Rufus pretty cool in this game"
Rufus is a Snacc
A little out of place though, seeing as whilst Cloud was technically a failure as a SOLDIER enlistee - he still went through with the procedure and during his stint with his mind maintaining a portion of everything Zack imparted, so he had the strength and power of a SOLDIER First Class.
Now Rufus, being the son of the president naturally having had a rather luxurious lifestyle - I can't see HOW he would have been much of a competition when SOLDIER were trained and deemed the best. Cloud by default ought to have utterly annihilated him - the only saving Rufus: plot armour.
Same with Reno, same with Rude. It never made any sense to me.
I definitely *need* a second third and even a fourth round with Rufus after how over the 10/10 rooftop amazing boss fight he put up in Remake
@@The_Phoenix_Saga the Turks must have something buffing them and Remake Rufus as well
I can't prove it but you can't convince me otherwise
as for the Luxurious lifestyle it's pretty evident that Rufus has worked his ass off to polish himself to take down his father a person who relies on their wealth wouldn't have actively tried to overthrow his father like Rufus did a person with those characteristics would have just waited until his father died
A few bosses I would've liked to see take place that ultimately didn't happen -
Final Fantasy V - versus Xezat/Kelger, as a test to prove your skill
Final Fantasy VIII - versus Seifer, with Fujin and Raijin at his side
Final Fantasy XII - versus the Occuria (not Venat)
Forgive me if my memory is failling already, but by the point Fujin and Raijin snap Seifer out of Ultimecia simping he's no longer hostile, is he?
Then again having a sorta epilogue fight to bookend the game would've been nice.
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe Seifer is told by Fujin that she and Raijin can no longer follow him due to how twisted he had become, as thanks to Ultimecia's influence controlling him from behind the scenes he acted as he did.
@@drunkdrag0n Forgive me for not making clear it was a joke.
My memory isn't not as good, but it's not _that bad_.
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe You are forgiven.
The occuria surprised me too, given how much weight they had in the storyline. But, really, the occuria were always about never getting their hands directly dirty so I guess it makes sense (which was partially why venat was the black sheep). Seifer, Fu and Rai would've been a fun fight, given their individual abilities.
I'm of two minds on Anabella. Obviously she is a horribly awful person and deserved so much retribution after what she had done, but I also don't feel like Clive or Joshua would have ever taken up arms against her, even after all she had done. They are just too good and decent for that. And Anabella just wasn't combat-focused so it wouldn't have been any sort of a fight anyway.
I did entertain the idea that she would escape and Ultima would find her and use her as "bait" to get Clive and Co. to show up, and she would be possessed and perhaps transformed into an Akashic boss of sorts, but honestly, I like that we didn't get that. Anabella's villainy was horrific, but despite her cruelty, she wasn't a physical threat and dispatching her would have seemed like a step too far for Clive and Joshua.
Ff16 would have had to grow a set for that. The game just swerves any situation that might compromise the leads' morality.
I hated that Jihl Nabaat was killed off in a cutscene. Fighting her would have been great for Sazh's arc. She should have been made a bigger villain in XIII's story.
I didn't expect to fight Anabella since she had no combat abilities, but they definitely killed her off in an anticlimactic fashion. What are her thoughts once she realizes that the Phoenix didn't choose Clive because he was Ifrit? She betrayed Rosaria because she felt going to Sanbreque and joining the Phoenix with Bahamut would make her stronger politically, but ironically she was raising three Eikons (Phoenix, Ifrit and Shiva) in Rosaria. The story could have been more interesting if this was given more attention. Anabella is power hungry and the game should have made her realize that made the mistake in betraying Rosaria. Also, since she thought Joshua was dead, was she expecting Olivier to awaken as the Phoenix? She's doting on Olivier despite him appearing weaker than Clive and even Joshua at a similar age. XVI didn't handle Anabella as well as it could have.
You could fight Jihl in the DLC. She was kinda rough, too.
Tseng does seem an odd choice to start with. I mean, yes, he was Rude & Reno's boss... and he instructed Rude and Reno to destroy the pillar holding up the Sector 7 Plate (at President Shinra's order), but unlike Hojo, President Shinra, Heidegger, Scarlet, and Corneo... Although I wouldn't exactly call him a "friend" to Zack, Cloud, and company... he did at times show some signs of having a conscience and moral compass. He didn't seem completely evil, even though his job required him to do things that were undoubtedly evil.
Jihl not being a boss before you confront Dysley was a crime. She deserved so much better.
This was fixed with the Remake but I always found intriguing how you never get to fight human Sephiroth in the original FF7 (I wouldn't count the very last fight since is all an scripted event)
Not only that. We don’t even encounter him outside the north crater or flashbacks. Every Sephiroth encounter is an illusion or a Jenova vessel (even the one famous with Aerith).
Tseng was such a pushover in Rebirth. I remember in Remake Reno and Rude were quite a challenge (unless you understood their mechanics ^^). In Rebirth they had the characteristics they had in Advent Children.
I interpreted Anabella's suicide occurring because she went mad and was no longer able to perceive reality upon the return of Joshua, not as an out because she had nothing else to live for.
Technically you do fight Mika... in the Via Infinito he turns into Concherer at Level 60.
yeah, but it wasn't in the original like Jihl from FF13 so it still counts.
You know. I really wanted to fight Pulse and Lindzei and not as just scythes that Bhuni wielded. Pulse had an insanely great design in the 5 seconds we see him in FF13.
It is a bit of a shame that Brahne was never fought, not even once. While her comeuppance was executed quite nicely, it would have been interesting to see what kind of fight she could give since so much of her power came from powerful underlings and stolen summons. I can definitely see the fight being played out very emotionally, as Garnet would have likely had a lot of reservations about using any kind of force on her adoptive mother, even if it were just to subdue her and force her off the throne.
We never fight Emperor Varis in FFXIV
Not really at least
The one canon battle we have against him happens within Cid's memories of the Bozja incident, and then Memoria Misera is a non-canon battle based on said memories
You could argue we do in the form of the Anima fight in Endwalker, considering the beast is made from Varis's soul
They realized this about Tseng and threw us a fight in Rebirth
I never took Tseng as a villian, and instead as someone who's just trying to do his job. Aeris even said something about how he was the one who was nice to her when she finds him at the entrance of the black pyramid. However we don't get to fight Don Corneo even though probably everyone wanted to. He has his pet take the battle for him.
You dont Scarlet and Heddiger directly either
@@djmeagaaim17 Tifa slap-fights Scarlet on the barrel of the Junon cannon on disc 2. You fight both Scarlet and Heidegger inside of Scarlet's mecha "Proud Clod" where after beating it, it crawls back, explodes, and presumably kills the both of them.
All the Turks are just doing their jobs, to the point once shits hitting the fan you talk to them and they’re like you know what this isn’t worth it
I definitely agree with the last one. Such a missed opportunity to create an all-time great villain.
This is one with a slight asterisk, but Golbez in FF4. Yes we have a fight with him in Dwarf Castle when Rydia returns but it's so short. We never got the epic full party battle with him before Zemus is revealed as the puppet master.
I wasnt too happy that i couldnt deliver a good whooping to Anabella. Ive never wanted to punch a character thru my screen as much as her lol
Lol. I felt the same way about Cersei from Game of Thrones. That bitch didn't die the way I wanted either
It would be bittersweet but I would very much enjoy if we get a Tseng boss fight at some point in the next two VIIR games.
Wish granted. Tseng is a boss in Rebirth.
@@jamesshepherd2514 Yes! It was an AMAZING boss fight!
tseng wasn't really a villain, he just followed orders, but protected aeris behind the scenes, i mean, who you think controlled cait sith?
Reeve. o.o''
I kinda wish Anabella served more of a purpose in story like she had the workings of a great mastermind and a really compelling villain like I kinda wish she had more of an impact on the story itself, I also kinda wish that she wasn't regulated to the standard Cersei Lannister villain archetype like i know that it makes sense for the world but when it comes to female antagonists in this game they tend to feel lackluster I kinda feel the same way about Benedikta she was also very underutilized in the whole of the story but she had a little more of an impact than Anabella
Jihl could have been one of the most iconic ff villainess they did her bad
if i ever get my hands on maester mike bro if i ever get my hands on MIKA MIKE bro OMG he gonna get it
As much as the Judges were played up in Final Fantasy XII, it was a little surprising that you never fought Drace or Zargabaath.
I thought that was disappointing as well. At least you can fight them in Trial Mode in Zodiac Age.
I thought that was disappointing as well. At least you can fight them in Trial Mode in Zodiac Age.
Aside from the super boss.
16:16 How would a boss battle with [spoilers] work? That'd be like a Zetaflare vs. a goblin from Stillwind.
I love FFXIII but Jihl Nabaat was such a wasted opportunity.
agree even if not a boss at the very least they should have let her live and made her a part of the XIII compilation
I'm so glad somebody else loves FFXIII, it gets so much hate from everybody and it's so undeserved!
And agreed, I would've loved to have had a Jihl boss fight.
@@xXMuseFan1996Xx The sorta issue with the fight we _did get_ (barring the fact that even the word DLC is controversial, as if it was't that bad already), is that neither Serah nor Noel have any beef with Nabaat, for Sazh it would have been catharsys, by XIII-2 is just fanservice.
(Jokes about the other kind of fanservice in 3, 2, 1...)
But it boils down to this, from a XIII fan to others, that game's directing lead to straight up questionable desicions...
Yes, even I get tired of complaining about the toriyama influence, but it would have been that much of an additional pacing blow to have Disley have her tire the l'cies out, so his plot twist was even harsher psychically?
That's why he lost, he didn't even understood the battle system of the game he appeared in to begin with!
Really appreciate the spoiler warning for FFXVI! I have it but haven't had a chance to finish it yet, so being able to turn it off before anything got spoiled was nice. Plan on coming back here after I finish the game.
I hope we’ll be able to fight Tseng in FF7 Rebirth
There’s no way we won’t, they definitely want us to fight many bosses. He’s going to be one of the last 3-4 ones imo.
Almost guaranteed, he was supposed to be fought in the original, wasn’t he? They will make it for sure this time.
@@mikeclark7026I never knew he was originally going to be a boss fight in the OG?
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Yeah. Apparently that’s the reason why (in the Japanese version) Elena talks about him still being alive. Once again, I am emphasizing I believe I’ve seen this, but I haven’t personally read the Ultimanias and Omegas, I am going off what I have seen others say.
@@mikeclark7026 Wow, they really sidelined his character back then didn't they? Haha
Well, now that the Remake is going to be three parts and they're expanding on the story, hopefully we'll be able to get that boss fight 😀
All of these are accurate. I have always said that Kefka was the best villain of FF because his motivation was he just wanted to see people suffer. I think that Clive's mother may be worse because she based her life on the idea of creating and controlling perfection. When she lost what she thought was perfection, she literally couldn't see her other sons begging to be able to forgive her and move on. The only decision that seemed rational to her was to kill herself. Having known suicidal people over the years, I have seen this happen for real. Even with proof that a person matters, they choose to give up. Perhaps the most broken and human villain in the franchise. As much as I hated her character, I understood her.
Tseng feels not like a villan, but somebody just trying to work with insane bosses.
Hang on, I don’t remember you getting to fight Elena in the mithril mines. I thought they all just took off after she talked too much about their goals.
You fight Elena when you return to Midgar to stop Hojo.
Although you can tell them nah I don't want to fight and they'll leave
@@stephenhedrick8010 yeah I know that. But he said you fight her in the mines. You don’t
Yeah you don’t fight her in the mines, you speak to them and they bugger off. Midgar underground is her only encounter and it’s her with Rude and Reno
probably meant you encounter them in the Mithril mines
Well at the very least, it looks like you do fight her in the mines in ff7:rebirth.
I love this type of topics, these fun facts that makes you wonder over different FF games to see if they (all or most of them) share that and start wondering game by game is really fun to do; nice job!
Some of these were great antagonists, but I don't think players ever expected to fight characters like Mika or Brahme given that they never demonstrated any kind of combat prowess. They always had lackeys.
I mean, you could probably justify beating up someone like Don Corneo, but Queen Brahne? Gender stereotypes aside it would have felt like bullying, sorta...
(And as mentioned, lackeys and summons).
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe You can justify beating up any of them because they are bad people who did bad things. But just because you'd want to beat them up doesn't mean they look like a likely opponent.
@@GilMeansJoy Oh, don't get me wrong, they _did_ deserve meeting Star Platinum, but Japan is the kind of country that still pulls bullshit like this based on outdated ideas about gender (cough cough PERSONA cough).
There's also the fact said fights would not be a challenge, an unforgivable sin for... let's just call them the "special" side of this fandom...
Tseng was misunderstood
Was he though?
In Rebirth you finally fight against Tseng
Yep
You get to fight Mika's fiend in FFX-2, though.
Momma Rossfield's reveal was too simple and short for how much the game had been building her
but i honestly never saw her as a boss
I was really hoping Clive or Joshua would get to have a showdown with her. Like her new son would have not been as strong and Clive easily took care of him. And then their mom tried to get back on their good side, only for them to throw her to the proverbial wolves and like let the orc's take care of her. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and she didn't get the ending she deserved. She deserved so much worse.
@@mikeozello I didn't wanted to hurt the kid (unless it had turn out that the kid was a body Ultima was growing for himself or something like that)
but i definitely agree she deserved worse
the video calls them antagonists, not bosses
@@GooseGumlizzard very true but if she wasn't a boss then we would just be murdering a mean lady?
I agree she deserved a brutal punishment. Though a boss fight nah... She is like a bug that needs to be properly squashed. What amazes me is that Clive and Joshua are trying to reach out to her (shear stupidity). When she committed genocide based on her twisted standards. Sorry but that kind of a character is nonredeemable whatsoever. I thought that Dion would turn her into dust (along with the shitty dad of his and the Olivier/Ultima puppet) when in his Bahamut form, That would be epic, I mean the potential of the game is wasted as the story goes. The Dark Clive side was a waste too. The producer could have made something like the Dark version of the Prince of Persia where he would torment Clive for the entirety of the story. Wasted potential..just like FFXV story. Rating story C or D. Below average :)
Square Enix if you are reading this take a pause from FF series for a year and remaster Vagrant Story that game knows how a story should be.
Or better make a remake and plan a sequel.
I would add Nag'molada from FFXI to this list - I was genuinely disappointed that we didn't get to pummel this guy.
I agree.
I felt especially with the tie in quest after RotZ and CoP where you right Kamlanaut and Ealdnarche again, it would have been a great opportunity to actually fight Nagmolada too. Sadly it wasn't meant to be...
it would have been nice to strike and cross blades with many of the Zodiac Braves more than once, from the Tactics Ps1 game. Especially being able to maybe finish off a couple of key bosses before they got to disappear or power up. Im looking at you Wiegraf. But its understandable that we fought who we did in those forms.
Also getting to fight Jhect in non-summon form! That wouldve been a really cool fight, and being on the recieving end of the Jhect Shot! but whatever ya know. His summon fight with Otherworld blasting was cool too i guess.
If you guys do a list of satisfying villain ends I recommend Galdes from Ring of Fate. He got a ending reminiscent of Diavolo from part 5 of Jojo.
#1:
In my fan fiction, I sent her to the Cenobites from the Hellraiser universe.
Oh dear Anabella, they’ll tear your soul apart…. *Pinehead voice sold separately*
@2:48 Technically he didn't kidnap Aerith as she had to go freely of her own free will.
5:07 Thank you for that.
I hope we get a Tseng boss fight in Rebirth!
Brahme, Gestahl, and Mika aren’t characters that most FF fans expected to fight. While they had considerable forces at their command, there wasn’t anything about them that suggested they would be a formidable adversary in combat. Additionally, all three games made it very clear that powerful underlings were either manipulating them or would betray them before long.
With that said, the pick for FF6 should have been General Leo. We are led to believe he is quite powerful, and that the fight with him would be both difficult and one of reluctance on both sides since the Returners had great respect for the general. FFVI could have very easily had him be a thorn for the party during the world of balance, much like Beatrix would be during the first half of FFIX.
I still would have like to have those fights though
Mika appears in FFX-2 before transforming into Concherer.
But that happens in FFX-2 Not FFX ^^
Holy heck! I always thought emperor G from ffvi was a dog man
lol mika was like oh shit yall killed yunalesca. welp im out peace
The last two aren't fighters in any sense so i can understand them not being boss fights.
I'd like to make a case for FFXII and FFXV with Venat and Imperial Emperor respectfully. In FFXIII it is shown that most of the fiendish events beyond conquest done by Arcadian empire in their war against the Rozarrian empire, is orcastrated from behind the scenes by Venat, a race of divine-like beings called the Occuria. For a series like FF, you'd think you'd get the chance to go toe to toe with the great evil in the climax of the story like so many other titles before it, but no Venat acts like deus machenia so you can have a round three with Vayne by combining to create the boss The Undying. Afterwards there's no mention of him or nothing else to flesh out his character or involvement in the story. Similar in that vain, in FFXV the Niflheim empire has been a constant presence throughout the game as it's primary antagonist, with emperor Iedolas being directly responsible for the death of king Regis (the hero's father) at the beginning of the game, you'd think you'd get some kind of retribution when you finally make it to the imperial capital, but no, the game jumps 10 years into the future for the end game (for contrived reasons) and it's revealed that the emperor in that time has been transformed into a demon enemy to which you do have an annoying encounter with, it's not revealed until afterwards that even was the Iedolas and the emotional impact isn't there.
You are wrong about Venat.
The Occuria he was apart of were indeed manipulating things from behind the scenes, but he was stated to have gone Rogue, breaking away from the others in an attempt to "break" the control the others had over Ivalice (which ultimately worked)
The boss fight that was definitely missed was against the Occuria, not Venat himself.
I thought both Venat and the Occuria should have been bosses towards the end of the game. The Occuria right before Gabranth and Doctor Cid shows up and Venat during the final boss rush. I also thought that Drace (maybe as a zombie pumped with neciete much like Bergen was), and the other Judge should have been proper bosses in the main story. I also thought you should have been able to go to the Rozarrian empire at some point.
I always thought it would have been interesting to for a fight against the aracdian senate
I think you made a mistake in your research this time. In FFVI, Kefka never struck Gestahl, it was the waring triad going berserk. Kefka litteraly ask them "Where are you aiming?" during the scene showing he wasn't part of the attack, just a bystander taking joy in the whole thing.
Kefka kicks Gestahl off the continent.
@@atlasvista But he was already dead at that time. The video implied Kefka was the one who killed him, which is absolutely false. But just to make it clearer what I meant, he never struck Gesthal while he was alive.
There is a theory saying Gesthal deathwas the last straw before Kefka's mind completely broke down, one I kind of believe in. It says that seeing him get struck down by the magic's god like that gave him the impression the triad welcomed him as one of them, which finaly shed him of the last bit of humanity he still had left, as little as it was. He might have hated Gesthal at the end, but he still had too much regard toward him to do anything against him, when he lost him, that was the end of his remaining sanity.
I guess the video is saying Kefka inadvertently struck him down. He cause the triad to go berserk, so in a way, he did struck him.
@@atlasvista But that would be false too. What made the triad go berserk was the aggresivity around them, not just Kefka. Kefka only interacted with them after Gesthal was dead. It is true he interacted with the field between them before that, but the triad were already aggresive by that time.
@@rebaxbayushi577Gestahl was alive a moment before Kefka threw him off so yeah, Kefka killed him
Lol you do fight tsun in ff7 rebirth
Well Tseng is no longer actual.
Oh yeah I wish Annabella was a boss fight. Even if it was a one shot kill battle, it would have been so satisfying lol.
Not a FF game, but I would have loved to get a crack at Krelian from Xenogears. Dude committed centuries worth of atrocities and at the end just walked away.
I hope advent children is a dlc in the final game of the trilogy
Oh man that's weird, I could have sworn I did fight Tseng but upon rethinking it extensively, yeah I didn't. It's been years but I remember everything about FF 7 so I don't know how I could make that mistake.
I always thought we would fight Mika and its sad we didn’t. They made him a punk and coward just to let him be an optional fight in X-2
kate sith
I felt cheated by number 7's end. Literally any other end would've been fantastic.
Parrying the apocalypse was kinda neat, but by that point they neutered Spikey boy and likely didn't want to have the resolution include him slurping soup in a mental ward somewhere as the conclusion.
I hated Annabella right away. However I hated her more when she told Clive "It should have been you." Proving she only loved Joshua because he was the Phoenix. At least that's how I see the meaning of that line.
Will we get a Tseng fight in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth?
Honestly, I don’t mind not fighting Mika. Sure, he’s an unsent, but he’s still an old man, I don’t think he’d put up that good of a fight. Breaking his lies and false hope so that he willingly accepted death seemed much more satisfying to me, even funny the first time around.
>pronounces Cait Sith right
>says "Tye-Duss"
I've been watching FFU recently. What does TPR stand for? I enjoy the content on here and have been curious
TPR is the artist we use for the music. You should definitely check him out 👍
Tseng was a real one.
You have an error in your list. You state that you fight Elena in the Mythril Mines in FF7 but you don’t fight anyone there, you run into the Turks, talk with them and they leave. You don’t fight Elena until the raid on Midgar in disc 2 and that’s only if you choose to.
Noah Gabranth and technically varis from 14 for me
Personally? I don't want to fight Tseng. If Reno's his second in command, I don't wanna know what Tseng's capable of. He scares me.
While not "iconic", I wish we could have fought all of the FF12 Judges (even if some of them weren't evil), and maybe got their weapons as loot, that would have been nice
Tseng isn't a villian or an antagonist. He just has a different path than the main group. He had been Aerith's protecter for over a decade, helped Zack and Cloud, Tseng even, on several occasions, told the main group that they weren't enemies, and that the Turks didn't want a fight with them...The turks have never been the enemy...ever
Speaking for the Final Fantasy Tactics crowd, for as much conniving and political shit he pulls, love him or hate him... it'd be satisfying to deck Delita in the face. The man outright tells you TO YOU FACE that he's betraying EVERYONE to get what he wants, and Ramza's like "Oh, neat, I'm gonna go off to tell Orlandeau that shit's going down. Kay bye bestie." And one of his associates rolls up and says, "You're betraying him too. Wow." And he retorts with, "Shuuuuut uuuup, you're not my mom. I can betray my best friend for personal gain if I want to."
Don't get me wrong, I kinda love Delita. But he's SUCH a bastard, it'd be kinda cathartic to punch him. He needs a good monk-punch to the face.
I was wondering who you would pick from FF7 as that game had so many villains to choose from. I'm not sure if any FF game had more villains.
No Delita?
Omg just that name makes my blood boil
Kinda the curse of being a non-numbered title, Tacttics and Type-0 tend to fall to the side _too often_.
Delita and Zemus are missing.
We never fought elena in the mythril mines
I forgot i didn't fought some if them 😂
Thank you for the spoiler warning! As badly as i want to, i still havent gotten FFXVI. Im avoiding watching playthroughs and want to go in fresh. (Well... i did play the demo... so.. after that point at least.) Cheers!
Thanks for the spoiler warning! I immediately stopped the video, lol 😂
9 likes and almost 12k views...am I seeing things 👀
I have a few issues with FFXVI, but story and characters aren't any of them. Annabella is a better Cersei and I wish we had gotten even more with her.
Except you did fight two of them. Not in the original game but when you say “never” it should be never
I don’t really agree with all this. Annabelle especially, just seemed too broken to be someone you’d fight in battle.
Here we are, pronouncing Mommy Baabat wrong.
Fighting Annabella?? Lol, she really can't fight though. She's not a bearer. She would be no challenge, save for swinging a knife recklessly and sloppily lol
No Occuria?
How about venaat from FFXII
Oh I didn't see this was a Final Fantasy channel. I came expecting to see Iimperius from Diablo 3. Man I wanted to beat the crap out of him.
Mika?
I would’ve rather had fought Kinoc
Like a one one one with Auron
LAN DI
Delita?
Tseng: He wasn't really a villain, none of the Turks were. They were the equivalent of CP9/0 in New World stuff in One Piece. They're villains for one bit, and then the rest of the time they're either allies or just in the background.
Mika: Honestly, the only other Maester I'd fight is Kinoc, but they kill him off.
Naabat: THAT I'm fucking surprised at.
Leon: He's kind of just the Sasuke of FF2, to be honest. I wouldn't hav minded fighting him, but...he also didn't do a whole lot as a villian.
Gesthal: I'm frankly surprised we didn't. Not as much as Naabat, but still.
Brahne: We really didn't need to, she got what she deserved from trying to fight Kuja.
Spoilers but I was so happy when Annabella died 😍😍
Zemus?
Whoa!
Haha! FFXV having a fulfilling climatic payoff…you mean the one that’s not the real ending and they stuck the true real ending in a novel because they failed to support the devs in finishing the game?
You forgot Claude Schmidt for FF7, He literally killed Cloud's best friend.
Who is that?