$16,000 pot with KINGS in a $1/$2 Game! Analyzing RampagePoker’s EPIC hand
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2021
- It’s not very often that you have the opportunity to win a 8000bb pot in one hand but this is exactly the situation Ethan ‘RampagePoker’ Yau found himself in at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas.
The $1/$2 cash game there is uncapped which is a recipe for huge pots as we find out in this hand where RampagePoker has KK UTG+1 and opts for some tricky play preflop.
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What would YOU do with K♣️ K♦ on the river?
Your Stack (UTG+1): $5,700
Their Stacks (BB, BTN): $4,400, $5,000
Pot: $2,470
Board: 8♠ 7♣️ 6♣️ 8♥ 2♠
BB checks
A) Check
B) Bet $1,000
C) Bet $2,000
D) Bet $5,700 (all in)
A Check
Check, after betting twice
Check fold. In disgust lol.
i actually predicted QQ here
Check, allow the missed draws to bluff.
You spend hours and upon hours of studying ranges, relative hand strength, bet sizing, postflop scenarios, solvers, etc. Then you show up to the live game and fold to the guy whose only thought process is: "I have overpair. I call." Then you watch him rake in the 6,000 BB pot.
Poker will never die.
Enjoy the experience!
It might just be that (and probably is). Or the BB might've been really thinking deeply. If he knew that the button likes to bluff, and Ethan's betting pattern, thin value bet, thin value bet, then check, could've displayed a marginal hand that wouldn't be able to call after 2 shoves.
@@edwardmauer7442 definitely just thinks 'I have Queens so I call'
Well, call me a whale but, mathematically speaking is a bad call after a snap call from BB, but if you think about it, knowing that the BTN bluffs alot, and not seeing a Reshove from the BB, is reasonable that the BB is thinking the same "this guy is going to try to steal the pot", so in that river i'd try to block/value bet to prevent this kind of situation... there are too many bluffs. Lol he should't think more deeply. Woul'd have being an insane call and insane read and call lol.
@@MrWar-ji9vn you are definitely right about the insane call with QQs. I have been in a similar situation 3 ways to the river. I knew the person first to act bluffs a lot but my hand was essentially a bluff catcher with showdown value. But I also knew the person behind me had the winning hand. When the player first to act put a massive river bet almost pot, I decided that the right action was to tank call because that would make my hand look stronger and ther person behind would have to fold thinking that he could not be good against two players. So hats off to the guy with QQs. If he wasn't thinking then he's an exploitable player.
Thanks for reviewing this hand, super helpful info!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the amazing content. You do great work. Good luck in the games!
Super helpful info we all know you won't use, bruh. Lol. You do you and next time you play a pro like Landen, don't!
You should of jammed on the flop , don't buy in for 6000 if your going to play scared
@@teelee4775 jammed 6k into a pot of about 100?!
@@davidstevens3934 yup protect your hand , might as well take it down before the turn and get to run it twice if one person calls
Playing a lot of small stakes since 1-3 is the biggest you can find in my town, and one of the first things that caught my attention was removing QQ-99 from opponents range. 1-2 and 1-3 players do not fold over pairs unless there's a 4 straight/flush on the board and even then they sometimes pay off.
This is one of the best videos I have seen you make. Breaking down low stakes hands with ranges is very enlightening. Thanks Jonathan
Thanks, Mark.
I couldn’t agree more. I usually don’t like long videos, but damn this one was good!
This is hands down the funniest educational poker video I’ve ever seen. When Rampage said pocket queens and Jonathan Little face palmed I laughed for about a minute straight😂
:)
Same bro I loled out loud
BB is an potentially very interesting spot on the river if he's a very good player and not something that comes up too often; but that's when you face a huge bet from a player you percieve to be bluff heavy and have a potential bluff catcher yet still have players to act behind you who could definitely beat your hand. He could definitely read Rampage for having a better overpair but knows that if he calls quickly and confidently that there's no way Rampage can call.
Wow no lies told here amazing breakdown! BB kind of knew Rampage had a better hand given the action that unfolded there like AA/KK. BB calling btn shove there ultra fast is what made Rampage ultimately and correctly fold the best hand.
This is a fantastic video! I watch a lot of poker vlogs like RampagePoker and others who are not necessarily the best from a theoretical standpoint and often wonder what Jonathan would think of certain hands. More like this, please!
Rampage Poker (Ethan Yau) is very entertaining. He's a good kid. Slowly learning to fold more prudently and not donk-bet, 3-bet excessively.
Awesome breakdown!! I watch Ramage's vlogs. He's learning, and humble. I am a premium member and would love to see you break down more vloggers hands!
Great suggestion!
More vloggers hands for sure they are in situations at stakes commonly played
I agree. I watch a fair number of bloggers and I often wonder about how well the hand is being played.
The bloggers, taken together, filter through thousands of live hands to find “interesting “ hands. These interesting hands are good candidates for analysis and quizzes on poker coaching.
I second this
5:27 "The way you beat alot of these small-stakes games...[is]...by playing better cards than your opponents..." Listen well, students...it often gets lost in hand-charts, ranges, equity-calculations, and other "high Math" concepts. Stop opening the betting from early position with 7/8, 8/9, 9/10, 10/J, J/Q (off-suits)
This game is the infamous uncapped $1/$2 at the Golden Nugget. I remember playing there about 10 years ago and an Armenian guy who just flew in on a private jet opened up a suitcase with $100K USD and put it all on the table. It was ridiculous.
Also, Rampage (Ethan Yau) won the $500 NLH Grand Finale in the online WSOP last year (Event #26). He took down $165K.
Oh wow thank you i didn't know about that
Do you understand that losing $166K and winning $165K puts you down $1,000?
I don’t know if you will see this Jon, but I’ve been binge watching your videos last 48 hours and this video made me feel compelled to comment. Your breakdown of high pocket pairs going multi-way really enlightened me. When I have aces or kings in the past on 1-2, 1-3, I always felt compelled to isolate to 1v1. The way you broke it down really struck me. I’ve been playing it wrong and not got max value. I found this video very helpful ❤
Yooo, I asked you to review this hand! Thanks Jonathan! My own analysis of it was pretty good, but you definitely provided some reinforcement for why. Much appreciated to see your perspective of this. It's good to know my thought process is at least pointed in the right direction.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Jonathan Little the best thing you mentioned in this video is if you aren't willing to potentially lose 5k playing uncapped in a 1/2 game then you shouldn't play 3500bb deep! Equity realization definitely becomes a problem at that depth like you mention all the time in your videos. Loved the video breaking down the hand of a vlogger many of us watch, more of these would be great. Thank you for all the content you put out!
So happy you would mention this hand
I am not a Poker player, I certainly love to watch videos about how players Analyze the game. I began following Andrew Neeme and Brad Owen several years ago, I actually played with them in 2019 at the Craton my one and only time great guys . that is how I got hooked watching the gameplay even more. I also like watching your ways of analyzing the game Jonathan. Rampage is certainly crushing it pumping videos left and right. To you all Poker players out there Kudos...
Thanks!
If you bet $6 and get 5 callers with 40% equity, the expected value that you will win is .4*(24) (24 is the total pot, ignoring blinds) = $14.4.
I just plugged it into equilab, using the same range heads up KK has 79.56% equity. The expected value of this is $9.5472
There are obviously more considerations like reverse implied odds and equity realization but still.
Maybe the Big Blind is playing on another level. He knows just like Rampage that the button is jamming light, and his pocket Queens are the best hand most of the time and that by snap calling, Rampage needs to fold all but the nutted hands here.
lol. He called and didn't 3-bet with QQ in bb. He is passive, not pro.
@@AT-bw4cm people who play passive still have brains
@@AT-bw4cm Tbh I actually don't mind too much how he decides to play QQ preflop, though I still would've 3 bet as well. The way the BB played it you don't have a tough decision to make when a loose player jams on you preflop. And post flop people will never put you on a hand that strong and you can potentially go for stacks with a hidden overpair or a set which you shouldn't have, and you wouldn't lose as much money when you decide to fold because on A or K rolled onto the board, which will happen on the flop about 1/3 of the time and about 1/2 the time on a full runout.
And finally, to be fair, Ethan played KK a little wonky as well here.
@Jonathan, I've watched lots of your stuff, but I honestly think that your coaching strength is really visible in this video! Thanks!
I appreciate that!
When he checked/raised preflop, Ethan was reffing a big pocket pair. Preflop Callers at least had small to big pocket pair. But when he bet the middle paired turn, his opponents already knew he could never have a set, or a straight, thus, 2 called the small turn bet. He should have checked/call on the turn. With a brick river, both opponents sensing weakness on Ethan jammed all-in which caught Ethan by surprise and folded the winning hand.
Very informative Johnathan!
Had already seen the video from Rapmapge, glad to see Johnathan cover the hand. I would like more cover videos like this.
I used to play a lot of poker after the moneymaker boom and "retired" about 7 years ago and im so glad people like Rampage, Mariano, Brad O and Jonathan make videos. Its great to see the thought process. I played a lot of live so i was more into body language back in those days and If i had the time and interest I would invest in poker coaching with Jonathan. Maybe one day ill jump into a game again. "may your cards be live and your pots be monster "
That was helpful, liked the visual breakdown of the ranges after each round. thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Gotta love it when you make a disciplined lay down and that happens! Really enjoyed the detailed analysis on this one, would love to see more like this 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Thank you. I like it when you go a lot into detail!
Glad you liked it!
Very interesting and thought provoking hand. Also very informative because most people who watch probably play 1/2 cash games. Hope to soak up some of this knowledge and use to my advantage at the tables
Great videos Jonathan! I’m frequently winnings tournaments / getting to final tables thanks to your content. Keep up the great work!👍
Awesome! Thank you!
One of the best walk-throughs I've watched, great insight and articulation. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Watched this on his channel, really happy you’re breaking this down!
Awesome!
Great video. Really appreciate the detailed breakdown with range and equity analysis.
Killer breakdown, this is insanely good free content
great video! more like this please!
Such an entertaining and also informative video! Great job Jonathan
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Very helpful information preflop especially.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm a. big fan of Rampage for his honesty, risk taking, and desire to learn. Johnathan is certainly one of the top 3 coaches in the country in my opinion. His knowledge is so deep that it is lost on me many times, and I think many other people who are honest about their ability to retain and use his super deep strategies in the unmasterable dynamic system that is LIVE poker will agree. My point is, that in a situation like this hand, when push comes to shove, (ha!) GTO looses a great percentage of its weight and Exploitative game theory takes over. You HAVE to be playing the player first in a situation like this, and push GTO to the back burner. That is exactly why I love live poker and don't play online ever. None of us were there, none of us know the session history or dynamic. Anyway, I'd love to see more of this kind of review from Johnathan and I love seeing Rampage's content.
Loved this video. Crazy spot and great analysis as always. Thanks JL!
Glad you enjoyed, Dan!
I limped 3bet to 150 once at 2/5 in Tampa and a guy called with J3o so these ranges could literally be anything (he flopped two pair against my aces and I got stacked)
Brother, this is the most helpful video I've watched from your channel, and I watch as many as I have time for. Small stakes is obviously where most of us play and it's often multi-way flop and post flop. I must not be as disciplined as I thought, but I would have a really hard time mucking the cowboys. Even though I would've called, I now see why the snap fold is correct. Maybe I'll hemorrhage a little less on multi-way showdowns now...maybe...😂
I love this video John and all of your content. I recently purchased your premium package and am really enjoying the start of a new journey. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to helping others better their play in this very complex game.
Glad you like them!
I like Ethan. He played the hand well enough. I hope nobody is actually thinking of the stakes as being 1-2, because it's irrelevant that the actual blinds are that, with these stack sizes. Any comments to the effect of "1-2 players do this or that" are therefore also irrelevant, because 1-2 players don't buy in for $1000, $5000, or $10,000 like people in this uncapped game. If there's any place to perfect your short-stack cash play, this seems to be it.
Personally I'd buy in for $600 and this hand would have more than tripled me up without ever facing a river bet, much less that $5000 decision. Let the fish and regs/pros fight over the much larger side pot without even noticing or caring that I'm taking down the main pot and racking up an orbit or two later to go have a nice meal, come back after whatever wait the house rule requires, and buying in for another $600.
There's a reason Phil Hellmuth has always bought in for the minimum, and it's not that he's a bad cash player, either.
Love seeing your hand analysis! keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
Maybe I'm a nit, but I think a check is best here. Given the action, our hand functions best as a bluff catcher.
its so awesome seeing you analyze this hand. You're the man J Little
I appreciate that!
Sometimes when you take a stab at higher limits/uncapped games. It’s to cut your teeth so you can be better prepared to do battle the next time.......I’d suggest y’all watch Rampage’s vlog of the session. The look in his face of what could have been a ($16,000) winner was one of a person hearing of a tragic accident or having a winning lottery ticket and not knowing where he left it. He was in shock. His time will come.....besides he’s used to ripping it all-in but not for $2500-$3500BB.
Did you see Wolfgang Poker's vlog of the same hand? Rampage was mumbling to himself, making zero sense afterwards lol
Really great video format. We’re getting both the player’s thoughts and your analysis. Like to see more of this.
More to come!
In Vegas playing 1/2 cash table. I had about 70/80 dollars in front of me with 5 others. I’m Dealt KK Utg, I raise to 6 and everyone calls, flop comes K48..I check, and it checks round to the B.B. , he bets out, I flat call and so does everyone else. The turn is another K giving me quads... I check again and and it checks round to the B.B. who bets out.. I flat call and so does everyone else. The river I cannot remember what it was now, but I decided to check again and hope the B.B. bets one last time. The B.B. shoves all in, I ummed and ahhed for about 20 seconds and put what i had left in the middle, luckily everyone else shoved too lol. I show my quads and the B.B. turns over 44 for a full house. Everyone else mucked. I won $500 from the casino (Luxor) for having the hand of the day, and with the pot i won just under $1k with 70 in front of me lol.
When I raised preflop and everyone called, The table heard me say to the guy to my left that I wasn’t happy with my hand now it’s a multi way pot and that I raised hoping to pick up the blinds, it worked out nice in the end.
Gotta include Suited connectors and Suited gappers in your Pre and Flop model analysis...especially against multiway, deep and splashy players. This would impact your Pre & Flop analysis, which means a much less than 41% win.
If you include all suited connectors and gappers, it helps you because opponent will have lots of junky pairs and draws.
Thank you for the analysis. I believe the turn bet is what caused the all in. If it checks around the turn and then again at the river. The pot isn't as bloated, there is no all in shove, and we can check call a $300-$500 raise. Would probably still fold though because of the snap call.
I would check/call small - medium bets and check/fold to a pot-sized bet or larger. In this spot we've represented a strong range and I'd expect most opponents to play straightforwardly at these stakes (generally underbluffing on a brick river). If we bet again, very few worse hands can call (maybe 18 combos of TT, JJ, QQ if opponents are call happy)
When I saw this on the rampage channel, I honestly thought “I want some JL commentary on this.” THANK YOU
Glad you enjoyed it!
i honestly think that calling the all in is the right move here. super hard call but it doesn’t seem likely we’re up against trips, a straight, or aces.
first, the calls preflop all indicate pretty much what jonathan said. mostly pocket pairs that we’re beating and some mid to high suited connectors as well as hands like A2-A10 and maybe some others hands like KQ, KJ, and K10.
876 isn’t too bad of a flop, we won’t have to worry about straights like 45. (we may worry about 910 suited but very rarely) when we raise at this point the hands we are worried about are sets and flush draws. as well as hands with straight draws like A5 or A9. pocket pairs are gonna stay in here considering the bet he made. A6-A8 are staying in as well. all other hands are probably gonna fold
the 8h on the turn is also decent for us. not much should’ve changed except for hands like A8, the primary hand were worrying about. i don’t exactly expect to see people holding A8 in a 3bet preflop but it could happen. the board just seems like one that would be pretty draw heavy for most, and considering that there isn’t a raise here besides hero’s raise, it seems that most players are staying in with pocket pairs that we’re beating plus straight and flush draws
last, the river card is the perfect brick. no one hit any draw plus we can be sure that we’re beating all pocket pairs that didn’t make a set. we can rule out the set of 2s most likely as they would’ve folded previously, and here it seems that we aren’t up against much strength like sets of 6s or 7s as the other players checked before us on all streets. A8 might be a worrisome hand. but, as hero mentioned, the button loved to make bluffs, and on boards like these where the board is paired and there are a few draws, it’s a place that bluffers love to bluff big in, like jamming. i just don’t believe the buttons story in this case, seems like he’s trying to push everyone out of the pot with a medium pocket pair that we’re going to be beating. if he really had A8, he might’ve gone for lower value as straights would only raise and pocket pairs/missed draws may fold out.
so yeah, i think it’s a call here, even though it’s a very hard call, it’s just hard to believe that the button really has it, especially with the information that he likes to bluff, as loose bluffers love to jam/over bet the river to push others out of the pot with bad pocket pairs
I agree with you that you should only play stakes you are comfortable losing. Guy snap called with Queens, and if it folded around to us, we would have snap called with Kings, based on our read of the button. Rampage is probably sick, but he made the correct fold. Once BB calls, you can't really call unless you have a soul read on the BB. You are pretty sure you're ahead of the button, but BB is who you are worried about. Without a read (and no read was given specifically for BB), you can't call there.
I am checking and hoping for a cheap showdown. I may call a small river bet, but that would be player specific.
Can't believe I wasn't subscribed!!! Another solid video. Addicted to learning from you
Welcome aboard!
One of the best videos you’ve put out, johnathan, very relevant for people in Texas where many 1/3 and 2/5 games running 1000 BBs deep, actually think rampage played this very well minus the open limp, maybe occasionally a call on River against 1 player who is wild, against a jam and call behind honestly no scenario where I would call here, its unreal what these people are rolling over, hard to avoid being results oriented after seeing that for him I’m sure haha
Thanks! Maybe I will make more!
Yeah it’s difficult to find a lot of good content that can be applied directly to the cash games I’m playing, everyone buys in so deep and it’s match the stack, just a request but maybe you could do some interesting hands off of 5/10 Texas live stream games
Bro thank you so much for this video! I’ve been dabbleing in poker for about 2 months now this help me soo much!!!!
Happy to help!
Jon, you said that if button has a propensity to bluff, then they sometimes (often?) just rip it in and that makes us sad. That's *exactly* why I want to bet half pot. I don't want to bet tiny and induce a bluff shove because yech. And I don't want to check and induce the button to rip it all in. The pot is 1200 frigging BBs. Our goal should be to get to a showdown with a hand that might be good - not see if we can hero-call for another 2500 BBs.
Since BB called so fast, there isn’t a dimension within the entire pokerverse where this is a call for me.
U only need the best hand 2.5 out of 10 times to profit little enticing no?
The reason he called so fast is to scare him off I would’ve been more worried if he made a crying call with action behind him
Yeah, except MAYBE at a bar league, a specific bar league where I know the players.=
Rampage played the hand very reasonably. With his analysis that the button liked to bluff, I would have block bet, 1000, to make it appear a bluff would never work.
As played, I'm folding and never over calling after the other player calls.
Jonathan. YOU ARE AWESOME! thank you for all your content
My pleasure!
Only recently turned into JLittle channel, I think this is excellent content and I'd like to see more analysis like this of hands from the growing poker vlog community.
Welcome! More to come!
Great job on this one! I was on my way to work and used the time valuably!
I still get caught up In getting down on myself for loosing sessions. I always learn from my mistakes but it sucks cause I build up a stack all day multi tabling. Then in 15 mins I'll blow off 3-4 buyins in situations like this or bluffing into the nuts and it kills me all my work for the day taken away.
Check Behind.
Value-Bet doesn't make sense since I never get called by worse hands. Also, I give my opponents the chance to check-raise me and force me to fold on this board.
All-in doesn't make any sense to me as well since we do have showdown value.
So I would prefer a simple Check behind, especially considering that we have 1200BB already in the middle, keeping my showdown value alive and not taking the chance of getting bluffed out of this pot makes the most sense to me.
Thnx man! More like this pls👍
More to come!
@@PokerCoaching appreciate it man! 💯🃏
I think where this hand actually went off the rails is preflop. When he limp-reraises, now the button knows he's capped at one pair by the river. If he had just open raised, his range would have some boats and 8s in it. Also with qq the bb likely would have 3-bet and then rampage could 4-bet the kings and knock out all the dead money, and probably cooler the guy for a giant pot on what appears to be a relatively safe board for QQ in a 4-bet pot.
I think you are giving the Button too much credit. Anyone that can read hand ranges and can cap Rampage Poker at an overpair, also will be wise enough to know, not to overbet shove into two opponents.
@@andrewadami3920 in my experience, when my player pool buffs the river, they don't have the balls to overbet shove it. They bet half pot or full pot because they don't think you have anything. They don't range you on a strong hand and and reason that it will take a giant bet to get you to fold it, or that if they are repping top boat they would want to play for all of it. But this guy ran a good bluff. Rampage and bb both look like they have a marginal made hand that they want to pot control to showdown. They are checking to induce a medium sized bluff which they intend to snap off. That's what it looks like. So you shove to put them to the test. I would have gotten owned. But like I said, I would also never be in this position because I would have raised pre, if it had still gone multiway I would have x/c flop and then probably folded on the turn. What you have to remember is that if this BN is willing and able to do shit like this, if we simply have the nuts in our range at some frequency in most of our lines, we're gonna stack him when we have it. It isn't necessary to expose our stack with one pair in 5-way 3-bet pots on disgusting runouts.
@@hymnofashes pocket Kings is not a strong hand on this board. That's why they call it a bluff catcher.
You are all forgetting Rampgr just ran negative the previous sessions from episodes before.
I think it was a confidence thing because he usually takes the hero call. “Folding is Boring” is the catchphrase for a reason. I saw discipline in a player I want to win. Whether or not he missed on money, it’s just a game and I think he really learns from the losses more than the wins.
Fantastic video!!
Loved this video. Tons of insight.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Here're some of my thoughts
1. pre: v.s. fishy and sticky oppos, limp 3bet is fine exploitatively.
2. flop: Do not like the flop 1/3 bet. Guess either bet big (like 3/4pot) or check. I would go for X-C or X-R depends on the action and player images.
3. turn: Do not like the turn bet either. It's a bad turn and unlikely for us to have 8x or str8 or boats. I think X-C is standard, unless the action behind becomes crazy.
4. river: as played it's an ez fold. It's just happen that we have the best hand here, but most of the time we're beaten.
River is an easy fold, this showdown is extremely rare. But he's gonna feel that one for a while. Great vid JL! Benefit of small bets vs checking is paying to see cheaper showdown. Also depends on how much garbage these players play. Also some people have no idea how to tighten up multi way..
The beauty of this turn bet is that you would expect weak donks with an 8 to raise for protection. Once you get two just calls, it's likely you're up against draws and pair plus draws or weaker overpairs. The BN specifically could slowplay a boat, but I would expect the BB to xr out of position or check call lead. So I think you have the best hand a lot of the time. The question is, is there value from betting on the river? Probably, but you have to be willing to bet fold. And you can get value from BN's busted draws by checking. I would check.
I went back to watch the RP post first. It was an off the rails uncapped game where $20-30 opens were getting 4 calls. Crazy.
Sounds like a party!
Yea I watched is a couple weeks ago. They were just getting it in. I have played at the nugget. Left with a 1500 stack off 200 buyin 1/2 nl
@@PokerCoaching lol
Wooooooow
That's a brutal spot. I'm going to be really honest here: I'm honestly not sure what I would do; playing thousands of blinds deep at 1/2 is simply not something I have much exposure to.
But, in theory, I probably block bet the river. I don't know that it performs any differently from a check; and it may just net me less chips with same outcome of folding after the shove/snap call dynamic.
Just from kind of a rock/paper/scissors type of perspective here:
1). Hero has a pretty good read that the guy to his left is going to bluff at this pot. And that read ends up being correct.
2). Can we not also start to assume that the other villain who snap called might be calling substantially lighter because they also know that the player to our left loves to bluff?
3) And if we're starting to work from the premise that it's very possible the snap caller is calling significantly lighter than he otherwise would...
It becomes tougher, imo
I don't know. Trying to find a line where hero manages to suss thw action out without being too results-oriented.
In reality, I'm folding at least 95% of the time to that action - and rhe 5% of the time that I might end up calling, I would need super specific background info in order to heavily deviate and make the call.
What's wild is it sounds like hero was halfway there with the super-specific background info.
Weird
Bottom line is that you have to beat two other players that have already committed their stacks on the river. Just because the button likes to bluff doesn't mean it is ALWAYS a bluff - some percentage of the time he'll have you beat. And even more worrisome is the 2nd guy who put in the $5k call! The range of hands for those two players combined absolutely dominates your pocket kings. If you choose to overcall you will be lucky to be correct even 20% of the time.
@@sinatra222 very true. I fold there 100% of the time personally.
If there was more aggression on the flop or turn, I would probably be out before the river.
Just trying to find some way for this to theoretically not suck
If only I had $5 for every time I've heard someone say, "Why bother raising? Nobody folds anyway." The point is this: You only have to win in these situations around maybe 1 in 3 times; because you may 6x your investment when you do win. You don't raise to eliminate players (necessarily); you raise TO BUILD A POT FOR WHEN YOU DO WIN!!! If all the pots you win are tiny (because you never raise) you won't be able to make up the losses in the ones you don't.
Definitely would check in this spot - I don’t like my hand if I get raised.
FJ, I agree with your point that KK still has a substantial advantage multiway, but there ARE good reasons to try to isolate: your overall range advantage (i.e. all-in $EV) goes up (a small but real effect) AND equity realization (i.e. playability) gets easier.
Sure, but I am not convinced that the things you mentioned go up to the point that you would rather not have your opponents in the pot with junk.
Love the deeper review and Rampage's own input as a part of Jonathan's video. Can you guys give me a bit of preflop advice? What would be a solid range to call in this spot preflop IF I was one of those who called the first raise and now face a limp-3bet? I'd call with middle pairs but Im not sure about AJs, A5s, 109s, 66... If there's a video about this topic on pokercoaching, just point me to it, I guess I just missed it :D
Facing a limp/re-raise suuuuuuper deep, I imagine you should call with all pairs and decent suited connectors. A-xs should probably call too, but it is close, depending on what the limp/re-raising range is.
@@PokerCoaching Thanks! How much would such a range change between B and BB? Would you tighten up even more and fold A-xs for example from BB, or do the better pot odds make up for being OOP?
One of the better tutorials. Thx
at The Golden Nugget(Las Vegas) they offer an uncapped 1$/2$ game.
Sounds like a party!
That's what kinda game this hand is from.
Loved the video!
I think I would have given them all the suited 8s combos aswell at wild tables like this.
And I think they will call the river with T9s for the made straight.
It really helps to analyse spots with weak players.
That could certainly be true!
Yeah, I was baffled when 9 10s disappeared from the range on the turn. It made all the equity calculations a lot less relevant.
Who the hell comes to the table with all this information on hand, unless he's Rainman. Can you imagine pulling out the computer and run a hand analysis program while you're in a hand? Hindsite 20/20. People at home already see the hole cards or already know what happened love to say that Rampage could've, or should've done in this situation. The only thing I'd agree with here is you shouldn't be playing scared money when you sit down at a poker game.
At the end of this I had button on draw, including 55 and caller on 99-QQ given how they played. If they had a straight or better they probably would have raised at some point. Also, if they are aware button is bluffing a lot then calling with QQ isn’t so bad and if hero is aware of that then calling with KK might not be terrible. Just looking at the way the previous streets played on such a wet board it seems unlikely they get to the river with 8 or better. Am I missing something?
I would check. Against 3 players I would have to assume one of them might have it against me having called two streets, even with small bets. The nuts would call to keep in players for max value, while draws would likely call. We could also be up against sets. With the showdown value of kings, I would check.
Amazing breakdown right here Jon tnx champ! 2 river I would bet $1K there possibly 55 folds and queens eventually will call imo also after the river the fd missed, sd missed 8 turn probably helped me imo
I'm checking behind on the super blank river and allowing bluffs to fire off.
My favorite vlogger meets my favorite coach?! This video was made for me!!
Glad to hear it!
Yep. Two of the greats with Johnathon being The Greatest.
Texas that might be a call at some poker rooms. Had a very similar situation folded my Kings to 2 smaller pairs after a Ace hit the board on the flop. Pocket 9s jammed pocket eights called.
Mike Postle would have made an easy call there😅
lol don't bring his name up
Lolololol. That was great
postle would of snapped it off
Of course, Postle is the god of poker, he's omniscient and always does the best play.🤷♂️
great video, thanks
man you deserve way more likes, this is awesome work
Much appreciated!
The Golden Nugget runs a 1/2 no cap game. On weekends it’s not unusual for players to buy in for three to five grand. You might have six tables playing “normal” 1/2, and a couple that are playing like 1/2/50, particularly during holidays and sports weekends. It can be an amazingly great game if you’ve the stomach for the variance!
20:56 i’d check. i dont go 3 streets with top pair on a connected board. Ive saved myself a LOT of money checking the river
"If you like this hour long video" about 1/3 into it "then subscribe" --- love the humor!
"i cant even count how many big blinds that is" bruh its 16000 divided by 2 lol
Okay paused around 9:45 . So I'm still learning the game, but if we get the limp around to the $20 raise, get a bunch of calls, we reraise to $150, initial raiser folds probably a marginal hand that would be dominate by our reraise. Everyone else calls. So what hands might I be up against? Would A/10 or A/9 OS play this way? Maybe J/10 or J/9 suited. Q/10 OS, maybe K/10 OS or a call with K/x suited? Maybe a small pocket pair trying to hit a set on the flop? To me I think we are going to be ahead most of the time here going into the flop. My trouble is calculating equity.
I think if my opponents have a tendency to bluff if checked to, i check. Both villain's ranges seem draw heavy but could contain an 8. I think i check-call.
what an analysis!!