i would say, the 3rd one. But the problem is that the thin value bets are taken to be a sign of weakness( more than checks , as check do look trappy) and then there is a possibility of getting bluff raised.As I have understood ,the thing with poker is that strategies vary with the spots we are in .(even though the hand in different spots is same, it is to be played differently).So with that in mind, i go for thin value bets in cash games and early and mid stages of MTT only.
If we are pausing the video you don’t need to keep wasting our time with a 10 second countdown clock… unless you’re doing a live stream it’s just dumb.
@@swastik357 thin doesnt mean "small size"... thin means a hand that is right on the border of being able to be called by enough worse hands. you still bet the same size as your "non-thin" value hands. Villains can then not "take them as a sign of weakness" and just raise you crazy much
@@georgwurth6614 I understand the difference between a thin value bet and a Donk. My point is that there is a very narrow range of hands that be beat are calling in that particular spot( for eg- the hand with flush and straight on the board), so to get that call we would have to make the bet in range of 25-35% of pot. i don't how GTO will play out in this scenario but a exploitative player would surely bluff raise there.
All of them....the thin value bet on the river is almost always a 'tell' and an invitation to get bluffed. In tournament play, you are going to be exploited. Rather leave money on the table in those marginal hand spots, than pass the pot to your opponent. I don't care what GTO stat you are relying on....99x in this spot, against a big check/raise you are going to fold. These poker strats might be good for high-stakes players...but for $1 -$10 tourneys, you are going to get burned.
I have always said, one thing you have to remember about pocket aces is that they are only one pair! Best played against one or two opponents who hopefully catch something slightly less or chase a long-shot draw of some kind.
On the KT289 board that hand is a fold at 100% frequency in GTO. The issue with those aces are that your opponents best bluffs that have equity to call flop and turn, would be hands like AcJc and AcQc which get to the river as busted flush draws but also block straights which always call. Since you have the Ac you block two of the most reasonable bluffs your opponent can have. The only bluffs left are Jc9c and maybe Js9s.
Great advice Jonathan. I am no pro but kinda figured this out a while ago. Especially the limping part. Nothing worse then limping in and someone hits trip 2's with one 2 in their hand because you didn't push them off before the flop.
I was in the reverse sit on the BB with a guy who limped in with AA with the rest of the table (lowest cash game on ignition :P). I hit trip 2's and he made his boat with an A on the turn. Haha, bastard.
In the first situation with a 6 5 4 flop the solver I use says to mix checking and betting. Yes you should check some of the time to keep the pot small and protect your checking range, but you should also bet some of the time to build the pot when you’re ahead and deny equity to on pair hands with a high card or draws. 30-40% bet amount.
I feel like the only reason you would mix two possible actions together is so that they stay in your range in both scenarios. You can't justify that mixing two actions is optimal because they both have good value.
16:48 so what’s your calling range on this river? KQ with no club? AA with no club? If we fold everything except straights or sets, surely that’s too week right? KcTs2c 8h 9h And we have AcAs
Do a vid on AK. I’m super careful with AK and people treat it like an auto-shove hand. Unless the opponent is short stacked, there’s a good chance at best you are racing when calling an all in - or worst case, dominated.
AK is a premium and should be treated as a premium meaning you gotta use it aggressively. 3bet, 4bet with it more often than not is +EV for sure. It is also the perfect hand to be aggressive preflop bc playing AK postflop is super tricky (50% you dont hit). If you limp with AK or play it weak like drawing hands like JTs 89s you're basically donating your money away.
@@HoangTruong-vk7ek as far as how you initially bet it, yes you are correct. My point is, after you 3/4-bet when someone shoves: calling all-in doesn’t make a ton of sense because it’s likely a flip and that doesn’t include your opponent having KK or AA obviously where you’d be in more trouble. And skipping a 3/4-bet and shoving yourself out of position, doesn’t make a ton of sense depending on the scenario and I see people get felted routinely on this play. You are 50/50 or worse against 14-hands in that scenario not factoring in weak As or Ks mucked. I don’t play NLH to flip a coin on even stacks, and if I wanted to do that there’s a roulette table likely feet away.
@@hawk4813 If u dont like to flip for stacks you need to change game. Unfortunately for u thats what you need to do to play NL holdem. Unless u play with friends who dont know the game and you can win dodging risks
@@domenicobianchi8 it’s basic math at that point man. You’d be better off putting it on black than calling all-ins heads up consistently while holding AK. I like math and probability, chances are AK loses in those heads up situations. Thanks for the advice though, I’ll really consider quitting 🙄.
I hear what you are saying on this one. I think it really depends on the quality of your opponents. In a game where all the players are solid players then I 100% agree with your logic.
c) bet 8$. Our opponent has the nut advantage so we dont want to go very big but AA is still a hand that can get value from plenty of hands (we can also have bluffs there like gutshots and backdoor FD) . we also dont nevessarily have a range advantage on that board having raised from MP to be betting frequently and small (4$).
The most misplayed hand in poker. As you said people don't watch their betting patterns and they think they're going to win every single time. It's a tremendous plan heads up but still has a small percentage of losing. But against a full table you're going to lose more often. But as you say once you learn how to play it in the long run it can be a very profitable hand. I learned a long time ago to think of it as it's just a pair. A very good pair. But still a pair.
I’ve slowed played aces depending on situations like if I just showed a big hand or pocket aces lol and it always worked out but you have to know when you made the mistake if you limp and you don’t get your raise and there’s 5 to a flop you have to lay it down knowing you played it wrong.
I keep searching different videos and yours keep coming up. I'm new to this world entirely so on the button, under the gun stuff like that is totally smoking any chance of me figuring out what you're telling me to do haha. Do you have a intro video explaining that stuff?
I would check back the flop. Our hand doesn't need any protection from over-cards so I would be more inclined to bet QQ or JJ here. If the turn is a high card and opponent connects with it, we can get 2 streets instead of zero. BB has lots of thick value we can't have. If he's holding 76 or some such hand, I want to see a brick turn before I start betting for value because hands like that will lose most of their equity most of the time on the turn. We can't bet them out on the flop because they will call or raise. So they're going to realize on the turn regardless. And if the turn is a seven, yeah, I'm wanting to find reasons to fold.
I have gotten pretty good w AA and don’t make these 3 mistakes very often at all. The segment where he talked about being in position w AA facing a RFI and having 10-15 BBS and the SPR is very interesting and I had that happen to me twice in about 10 hands in the same live circuit event recently. I shoved both times and everyone folded. I knew exactly what I should’ve done when I busted not long afterwards but that is good info about when to slow play AA.
I find that in most hands when I’m re raising with aces kings or queens everyone’s just folding and I’m taking like 4 big blinds down. I’m assuming I’m still playing it well by re raising but it can be frustrating when I get 1 great hand like that every 5 hours and then everyone folds and I’m taking a small pot.
It’s annoying for sure but then you also need some “bluffs” in your 3 bet range so that if your opponents are over folding to the 3 bet you are taking it down pre flop more often and are also tougher to play against post flop.
Tournament, a few rounds after antes are in play, hero & villain you don't know are deep stacked. Hero AA raises 4bb EP, villain calls IP. Flop: 952 rainbow. Hero bets sligtly less than pot, villain moves all-in. Is it a mistake to call?
Not sure if you'll see this but I would love a video understanding when GTO open limps in short stack MTT situations. I try to never limp but there's spots with reads that feel like a limp.
How do you differentiate between "overplaying marginal made hands" and "not going for thin value"? Isn't going for thin value actually the same thing as overplaying a marginal made hand? Or is it just a matter of how many chips are put at risk that defines the "overplay" portion of the strategy.
I was so wrong and I have regrets because watching this video when it was uploaded could save me from a similar spot that I played yesterday and cost me My tournament. I need to keep learning for sur!
I guess the key with thin value is realizing that while yes you fold to a raise here you also have enough strong value hands taking the same line to defend against these kind of river shoves. A similar line applies to 3-betting preflop - a lot of poker sites have a built in HUD so if you only 3-bet QQ+/AK then they will see that __/__/2 line and you won't get any action - when you do get action it will then be from set miners/SCs which are more likely to outdraw you (and fold early when they miss) as opposed to making TPTK and paying off your overpair. There is also simply the fact that if you have AA then a lot of value combos are gone from the other player's ranges, so if you are in nitty/unbalanced games you won't be called much except for the odd cooler against KK/QQ. If that is the case I guess just steal the blinds more often, 3-bet wider with Ax type blocker hands and exploit players who overfold preflop.
I definitely see your point on the last hand (and it's something I need to be better at I think), but I kind of think that's just a little too thin. So many boats, flushes, straights, and 3J's there, plus not everyone is calling with 6's or 7's. So we're only getting called sometimes, getting beat very often, and opening up to being bluffed off (the small bet may cap our range if the player knows we often bet large on flop with nut hands and bluffs). I'd rather get a sure showdown and see what they had. All this is player-dependent, of course, but against an unknown I'd rather take the showdown and get the info. I could (likely) be wrong 🤷♂.
See, you have to understand this. Many, many of the "pros" are some of the luckiest people on the planet. Their plays will work 85% of the time where an average luck player will win 50% of the time. I've played the same exact hands multiple ways with highly varied results. And plus, if you play the same hand the same way every time, I'd be all over that and pick up on it in a millisecond. I've dealt poker for 7 years, over 600,000 hands, won on every site I've played on except ACR (rigged), and dozens of live casino tourneys/local tourneys amd cash games. I've played since I was one. Careful who you listen to for advice. If you talk to 25 pros, they'll probably the same hand 25 different ways. This is all opinion.
I've got a 40 hour a week job. For the past few months I've been playing 10-25c cash games. Mostly just for entertainment. I don't make a ton of money at my job, enough to eat, and live my life. Been playing anywhere from 12-20 hours a week for 3 months. I only play 2 tables at once..seem to not do to well with anymore then that on screen at one giving time. In 3 months, only playing those stakes I mentioned, I have cashed over 4 grand. When does one go up in stakes? Will I see a huge difference in play style say if I move up to 50c-$1 game? Thoughts anyone
Lower stakes MTT, especially smaller blind multiples, I always limp UTG, this has worked extremely well for me. First reason is I need to protect the rest of my limping range which I hate to raise in early position (being everything besides qq-aa or AK), second at least half the time someone raises me if relatively late they are usually pretty stuck after that first raise...people really hate to strand money. Later to act I always raise of course, same reason, protect range.
You also enter the risk of someone with a lot of marginal made hands to enter the pot. I have beaten people with pocket AA because they allowed me to go in with a cheap price to see the flop OR they slow played the aces and have made a straight where as I would have folded if they bet big. If it's working though then good for you.
Problem is, the people I play with, don’t fold preflop ever. And so sometimes I can get a lot of money because everyone bets, but I also lose some because they don’t fold even though they have 2-8 off, they stay till the flip even if I raise for a lot. Mostly because it’s a home game and we play for fun and not a lot of money so they dont care
@@elverdeman9247 I’ve made a decent amount but I’m just not having fun. I’m not playing with them to make money we want to have fun, but they don’t really know how to play so it’s kinda different.
I saw a video from a poker coach recently who said "If you don't know where you are in the hand, just fold." For me, it makes it easier to fold looking at it that way.
In the second hand, even though we are not getting the direct odds to call, is it reasonable to call because on the rare occasion that you do turn an ace there's a good chance you can win a giant ass pot stacking at least one player? And the large majority of the time in which you miss, you only lose that $25?
I would bet 14. I i get a call or raised i would fold, fold if they raise, check back it they check again unless i hit a set I’d bet But I’d be skeptical about his straight but willing
I'm aggressive but very careful with any pocket pair. Most players will just go all-in with a high pocket pair or at the very least raise a good amount. Some are alot more sneaky with them.
How about bet 4 on the flop. BB raise to 15, we call, Kh on the turn >he bets 45ish, at this point what should BB bet against preflop raiser here with the King on turn? We are behind all sets like 66 55 44, two pairs like 65, 54, or even 64, also straights like 78 or 23. I would consider folding at this point and only lose 23 instead 53.
It took me years to learn how to play AA’s wish I watched this video years ago would of saved me 1000’s if dollars…. But tourneys which I play more depends on my position let’s say early I bet 2 or 2.5 then see if I get raised, if so then I take out my thumping stick and punish them…. Let’s say I get 4 callers I basically trained myself to fold after I bet out, chances are 1 of those 4 callers already out drawn you…. Let’s say I get them late position I bet really big trying to make them think I’m stealing the pot I bet 8 dollars I still like how I played my hand, your gonna lose most times if he flops two pairs, can we talk about bet sizing…. Only betting 8 at 1/2 your really asking for trouble because your basically asking any suited connector to call any non suited connecter to call and any pocket pair to call to set hunt…. If I’m playing 1/2 and get dealt AA in that position I make it $15-$17, in 1/2 AK KQ JJ pocket tens all would probably stick around while you put 5/6 8/9 suited in tough spots to call…. Gonna do to Vegas in March for the Venetian and Wynn tournaments, doing a couple $1100 buy ins… if I spike one of those my bank roll will be large, watched one of your videos about not being exposed in tourneys like that while those are my higher end buy ins not gonna break me if I lose… Just won’t tried to be bullied like your video says happens when players sense that.. a premium hand is a premium hand and can’t be afraid to go broke to a reraise pre-flop which I see a lot of…. Good luck
We have the same favorite hand, Jonathan. Do you agree with me that Doyle Brunson is a donk for T2 being his favorite hand? How can such a person enjoy that hand?
A donk are you kidding me? He won two main events back to back with that hand. Obviously it is his favourite hand. My favourite hand is K8 suited. Why? Because it just flops for me most of the times. :D
I think I would bet 8 at this point to continue building the pot and/or force the other hand to end if they don't plan on putting more money in the pot.
I slow played aces and just called everything until it was heads up. Went all in before the river. turned out the villain had 2 pair on the flop and I ended up getting a lucky Ace on the river. The villain had junk but called cause everyone limped in pre flop. Decided never to slow play Aces ever after that.
Don’t you Think that Betting 50% for thin value in the river could be easily exploited? I mean are we gonna bet 50% for hands better than AA that we can balance and shove if they raise?
When I run AA in a Monte Carlo simulation in PokerCruncher, it tells me AA is going to win roughly 80% of the time. Over time, shouldn't we just get all of our $$$ in regardless of range advantage or board texture post flop?
Just had a hand with AA... Preflop, (4 players) CO bets 2.5BB, I bet 4BB from Button, SB&BB call. Flop came 2s,8c,Js. It checked to me, so I bet 2.5BB, SB x-raises to 18BB, BB and CO fold, and I raise all-in for 58BB effective. Is this too loose? I gave him a range of JJ+, 88, 22, AJs, AsQs, AsTs, Ts9s, AJo following his check-raise and plugged it into equilab and it gave me over 60% equity. Just not sure if I got the range right. Thoughts?
The bet sizings you chose preflop and postflop are really small and not the best for extracting value with AA. I think getting it all-in when you did was profitable, but you should also consider just flatting the check/raise especially if one of the aces were a spade. At 58BBs though, I don't think folding would be a good idea. tl;dr: call > jam > fold imo
I watch a few episodes a day of the Cashgame masterclass after just finishing the Tournament masterclass. These kind of video's are a great addition to those courses! Also the membership is worth every penny. Before I became a premium member I scavenged RUclips for content and finally found your channel. Great content, keep doing what you doing and I'm sure you win the Poker Personality of the Year again!
folding AA in hand 2 would be a joke. 4% to spike A and there could be multiple villains w/ a J. Calling 25 into 150 so only need to make another ~$300 or so and backdooring a nut flush is just a bonus.
Unless you go to my local card room where everyone plays like a maniac. Then none of this applies. You just have to hope your best hand holds up through the river. We have a bunch of gamblers here.
now on the turn if he has a set of 4's how would we know? the king is such a magnetic card to us. this is why i bet and fold to check raises, why be controlled by our opponents bet sizing?
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Check back. This is the single worst flop for preflop raiser vs BB, I think you can bet basically 66, 55, 44 if you have those lower pairs, 65s, 76s, and 87s if I have that, A7s, and A8s with backdoor flush draw. And 98s with backdoor flush draw.
So I has AA and raise from button to 15K blinds was 150/300 ,so then BB called all in with KK ,and I also then call all in ,was ahead until the river when K came, was this bad play or just a bad beat?
I don't understand why you check in position vs BB on 456 but bet in position vs. BB on KT2. Seems to me a nearly identical situation: you are likely ahead, but *could* be beat and could be vulnerable as flop could connect with opponents calling range. I tend to bet both and play very cautiously if check-raised or if bad turn comes. But I don't understand why you bet KT2 but check 456. Is it because greater nut potential on KT2?
It's because on 654, there are a lot more combos that the bb could have that beats you. But on KT2, there are tons of hands that are strong, but you're ahead of, and there's way fewer hands that you're behind on.
So Jonathan, I have been wondering if I folded AA properly at 1/3 live last month. I have about $320 (110BB) effective on BB vs villain on BTN. Pot is limped 2x to villain who raised to $16, and I 3-bet to 66, he called, so pot was about $140. Flop J83 all clubs, and I did not have the Ace of clubs. I c-bet $50, and villain shoved $253. I folded.
Way too nitty imo. This is a flop where many people will go crazy with weak top pairs like KJ because they don't want to get outdrawn. So even if he's never bluffing you can easily be good. What are you afraid of? It's a pretty clean flop for aces, you only lose to a set or a flopped flush, there's no 2 pair combos here.
I would typically call here. There could be many draws and worse hands that the opponent shoves for value here. Folding is fine against really nitty opponents.
@@PokerCoaching thanks for replying Jonathan!! I have been going over this in my mind while studying, and I keep going back n forth. Villain was an old Asian man who I stacked earlier in the session when he hit his flush on the river, but I already had a full house on the turn. He *really* liked his flush draws🤣 At the table I tanked and turned my cards face up while wondering if he would ever play QQ with no clubs like that, or AJ of hearts, or KJ. I decided there were too many sets and flushes in his range and that some of his shoves there would include a high club against which I would only have about 55% equity. Against a younger villain, I would have probably called…
It's a great hand obviously, but no hand is unbeatable, which is how many people treat it. The more people in the hand, the less likely you will win the pot
always slowplay aces. I don't see anything wrong with it. What about your hand being disguised a lot. Not many people play postflop anyway................
I agree. EVERYONE'S a ploppy when it comes to poker now. Even more than Blackjack. I usually raise a bit then try to put the Big Blind all in before the turn when I have pocket aces, where most ploppies who have pocket aces will try to put EVERYONE all in ASAP.
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Out of the three mistakes I listed in this video, what would you say is the one you can most relate to?
i would say, the 3rd one. But the problem is that the thin value bets are taken to be a sign of weakness( more than checks , as check do look trappy) and then there is a possibility of getting bluff raised.As I have understood ,the thing with poker is that strategies vary with the spots we are in .(even though the hand in different spots is same, it is to be played differently).So with that in mind, i go for thin value bets in cash games and early and mid stages of MTT only.
If we are pausing the video you don’t need to keep wasting our time with a 10 second countdown clock… unless you’re doing a live stream it’s just dumb.
@@swastik357 thin doesnt mean "small size"... thin means a hand that is right on the border of being able to be called by enough worse hands. you still bet the same size as your "non-thin" value hands. Villains can then not "take them as a sign of weakness" and just raise you crazy much
@@georgwurth6614 I understand the difference between a thin value bet and a Donk. My point is that there is a very narrow range of hands that be beat are calling in that particular spot( for eg- the hand with flush and straight on the board), so to get that call we would have to make the bet in range of 25-35% of pot. i don't how GTO will play out in this scenario but a exploitative player would surely bluff raise there.
All of them....the thin value bet on the river is almost always a 'tell' and an invitation to get bluffed. In tournament play, you are going to be exploited. Rather leave money on the table in those marginal hand spots, than pass the pot to your opponent. I don't care what GTO stat you are relying on....99x in this spot, against a big check/raise you are going to fold. These poker strats might be good for high-stakes players...but for $1 -$10 tourneys, you are going to get burned.
I have always said, one thing you have to remember about pocket aces is that they are only one pair! Best played against one or two opponents who hopefully catch something slightly less or chase a long-shot draw of some kind.
On the KT289 board that hand is a fold at 100% frequency in GTO. The issue with those aces are that your opponents best bluffs that have equity to call flop and turn, would be hands like AcJc and AcQc which get to the river as busted flush draws but also block straights which always call. Since you have the Ac you block two of the most reasonable bluffs your opponent can have. The only bluffs left are Jc9c and maybe Js9s.
I would check back on the 6 5 4 board
Great advice Jonathan. I am no pro but kinda figured this out a while ago. Especially the limping part. Nothing worse then limping in and someone hits trip 2's with one 2 in their hand because you didn't push them off before the flop.
I was in the reverse sit on the BB with a guy who limped in with AA with the rest of the table (lowest cash game on ignition :P). I hit trip 2's and he made his boat with an A on the turn. Haha, bastard.
you cant push off 66-KK
I would check sometimes and bet $8 sometimes
First coaching class I’ve taken. Really enjoyed it. I did Lit of the things that you said. I think this will really help me when I play my home games
Glad it was helpful!
In the first situation with a 6 5 4 flop the solver I use says to mix checking and betting. Yes you should check some of the time to keep the pot small and protect your checking range, but you should also bet some of the time to build the pot when you’re ahead and deny equity to on pair hands with a high card or draws. 30-40% bet amount.
I feel like the only reason you would mix two possible actions together is so that they stay in your range in both scenarios. You can't justify that mixing two actions is optimal because they both have good value.
16:48 so what’s your calling range on this river? KQ with no club? AA with no club? If we fold everything except straights or sets, surely that’s too week right?
KcTs2c 8h 9h
And we have AcAs
Do a vid on AK. I’m super careful with AK and people treat it like an auto-shove hand. Unless the opponent is short stacked, there’s a good chance at best you are racing when calling an all in - or worst case, dominated.
AK is a premium and should be treated as a premium meaning you gotta use it aggressively. 3bet, 4bet with it more often than not is +EV for sure. It is also the perfect hand to be aggressive preflop bc playing AK postflop is super tricky (50% you dont hit). If you limp with AK or play it weak like drawing hands like JTs 89s you're basically donating your money away.
@@HoangTruong-vk7ek as far as how you initially bet it, yes you are correct. My point is, after you 3/4-bet when someone shoves: calling all-in doesn’t make a ton of sense because it’s likely a flip and that doesn’t include your opponent having KK or AA obviously where you’d be in more trouble. And skipping a 3/4-bet and shoving yourself out of position, doesn’t make a ton of sense depending on the scenario and I see people get felted routinely on this play. You are 50/50 or worse against 14-hands in that scenario not factoring in weak As or Ks mucked. I don’t play NLH to flip a coin on even stacks, and if I wanted to do that there’s a roulette table likely feet away.
@@hawk4813 If u dont like to flip for stacks you need to change game. Unfortunately for u thats what you need to do to play NL holdem. Unless u play with friends who dont know the game and you can win dodging risks
@@domenicobianchi8 it’s basic math at that point man. You’d be better off putting it on black than calling all-ins heads up consistently while holding AK. I like math and probability, chances are AK loses in those heads up situations. Thanks for the advice though, I’ll really consider quitting 🙄.
I hear what you are saying on this one. I think it really depends on the quality of your opponents. In a game where all the players are solid players then I 100% agree with your logic.
c) bet 8$. Our opponent has the nut advantage so we dont want to go very big but AA is still a hand that can get value from plenty of hands (we can also have bluffs there like gutshots and backdoor FD) . we also dont nevessarily have a range advantage on that board having raised from MP to be betting frequently and small (4$).
The most misplayed hand in poker. As you said people don't watch their betting patterns and they think they're going to win every single time. It's a tremendous plan heads up but still has a small percentage of losing. But against a full table you're going to lose more often. But as you say once you learn how to play it in the long run it can be a very profitable hand. I learned a long time ago to think of it as it's just a pair. A very good pair. But still a pair.
I'd argue AK is the most misplayed. Although way too many people have a problem folding their Aces. Good luck at the tables.
AA and AK
I’ve slowed played aces depending on situations like if I just showed a big hand or pocket aces lol and it always worked out but you have to know when you made the mistake if you limp and you don’t get your raise and there’s 5 to a flop you have to lay it down knowing you played it wrong.
I keep searching different videos and yours keep coming up. I'm new to this world entirely so on the button, under the gun stuff like that is totally smoking any chance of me figuring out what you're telling me to do haha.
Do you have a intro video explaining that stuff?
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I would check back the flop. Our hand doesn't need any protection from over-cards so I would be more inclined to bet QQ or JJ here. If the turn is a high card and opponent connects with it, we can get 2 streets instead of zero. BB has lots of thick value we can't have. If he's holding 76 or some such hand, I want to see a brick turn before I start betting for value because hands like that will lose most of their equity most of the time on the turn. We can't bet them out on the flop because they will call or raise. So they're going to realize on the turn regardless. And if the turn is a seven, yeah, I'm wanting to find reasons to fold.
An 8 buck raise at 1/2 around tampa will get called every time the raise amount greatly depends on how the table plays.
I swear you have a video for everything. Thanks for the content!
I have gotten pretty good w AA and don’t make these 3 mistakes very often at all. The segment where he talked about being in position w AA facing a RFI and having 10-15 BBS and the SPR is very interesting and I had that happen to me twice in about 10 hands in the same live circuit event recently. I shoved both times and everyone folded. I knew exactly what I should’ve done when I busted not long afterwards but that is good info about when to slow play AA.
C. Raise 8. If they don't like the flop maybe I can run them off. I'm cautious of the 78 suited. But I would still bet the flop and river.
I find that in most hands when I’m re raising with aces kings or queens everyone’s just folding and I’m taking like 4 big blinds down. I’m assuming I’m still playing it well by re raising but it can be frustrating when I get 1 great hand like that every 5 hours and then everyone folds and I’m taking a small pot.
It’s annoying for sure but then you also need some “bluffs” in your 3 bet range so that if your opponents are over folding to the 3 bet you are taking it down pre flop more often and are also tougher to play against post flop.
Tournament, a few rounds after antes are in play, hero & villain you don't know are deep stacked. Hero AA raises 4bb EP, villain calls IP. Flop: 952 rainbow. Hero bets sligtly less than pot, villain moves all-in. Is it a mistake to call?
Not sure if you'll see this but I would love a video understanding when GTO open limps in short stack MTT situations. I try to never limp but there's spots with reads that feel like a limp.
One of the best videos I've seen so far. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
How do you differentiate between "overplaying marginal made hands" and "not going for thin value"? Isn't going for thin value actually the same thing as overplaying a marginal made hand? Or is it just a matter of how many chips are put at risk that defines the "overplay" portion of the strategy.
Nope! There is a fine line that must be observed.
Thanks
Check with Aces and Kings, bet with 7s to 10s, Mix Jacks and Queens.
thanks for the video! What's the difference between the K high boards at 15:40 and 17:50? Why is the first one bet big while second one is bet small?
I like AK better than aces because i can fold them and i don't go on tilt if i lose with them. lol
Check
Small bet to keep the pot smaller but also entice people to stay in with a top pair of some type.
I would like to bet 13 Bb on this pot of 17. I think so! Thanks so much by the way, for all the content you put. It's being so helpful.
I was so wrong and I have regrets because watching this video when it was uploaded could save me from a similar spot that I played yesterday and cost me My tournament. I need to keep learning for sur!
I'm the type to delay cbet here and check. I don't have range advantage usually vs bb on this board
I guess the key with thin value is realizing that while yes you fold to a raise here you also have enough strong value hands taking the same line to defend against these kind of river shoves. A similar line applies to 3-betting preflop - a lot of poker sites have a built in HUD so if you only 3-bet QQ+/AK then they will see that __/__/2 line and you won't get any action - when you do get action it will then be from set miners/SCs which are more likely to outdraw you (and fold early when they miss) as opposed to making TPTK and paying off your overpair.
There is also simply the fact that if you have AA then a lot of value combos are gone from the other player's ranges, so if you are in nitty/unbalanced games you won't be called much except for the odd cooler against KK/QQ. If that is the case I guess just steal the blinds more often, 3-bet wider with Ax type blocker hands and exploit players who overfold preflop.
I definitely see your point on the last hand (and it's something I need to be better at I think), but I kind of think that's just a little too thin. So many boats, flushes, straights, and 3J's there, plus not everyone is calling with 6's or 7's. So we're only getting called sometimes, getting beat very often, and opening up to being bluffed off (the small bet may cap our range if the player knows we often bet large on flop with nut hands and bluffs).
I'd rather get a sure showdown and see what they had. All this is player-dependent, of course, but against an unknown I'd rather take the showdown and get the info. I could (likely) be wrong 🤷♂.
What hands would you bet-fold here?
See, you have to understand this. Many, many of the "pros" are some of the luckiest people on the planet. Their plays will work 85% of the time where an average luck player will win 50% of the time. I've played the same exact hands multiple ways with highly varied results. And plus, if you play the same hand the same way every time, I'd be all over that and pick up on it in a millisecond. I've dealt poker for 7 years, over 600,000 hands, won on every site I've played on except ACR (rigged), and dozens of live casino tourneys/local tourneys amd cash games. I've played since I was one. Careful who you listen to for advice. If you talk to 25 pros, they'll probably the same hand 25 different ways. This is all opinion.
Thank you Jonathan for yet again another great learning session!
My pleasure!
Ohh this isn't for blackjack... was so confused...
I'll go all in - if I have AA, and the flops shows 456. I know someone is waiting on a straight open ended or whatever. But I'm going all in.
I've got a 40 hour a week job. For the past few months I've been playing 10-25c cash games. Mostly just for entertainment. I don't make a ton of money at my job, enough to eat, and live my life. Been playing anywhere from 12-20 hours a week for 3 months. I only play 2 tables at once..seem to not do to well with anymore then that on screen at one giving time. In 3 months, only playing those stakes I mentioned, I have cashed over 4 grand. When does one go up in stakes? Will I see a huge difference in play style say if I move up to 50c-$1 game? Thoughts anyone
Assuming you are fine losing the profits, I would definitely recommend moving up and taking a shot. If you do poorly, move back down.
I like to fold pre flop with AA if people go all in.
Gotta spread your folding range
Lower stakes MTT, especially smaller blind multiples, I always limp UTG, this has worked extremely well for me. First reason is I need to protect the rest of my limping range which I hate to raise in early position (being everything besides qq-aa or AK), second at least half the time someone raises me if relatively late they are usually pretty stuck after that first raise...people really hate to strand money. Later to act I always raise of course, same reason, protect range.
You also enter the risk of someone with a lot of marginal made hands to enter the pot. I have beaten people with pocket AA because they allowed me to go in with a cheap price to see the flop OR they slow played the aces and have made a straight where as I would have folded if they bet big. If it's working though then good for you.
Problem is, the people I play with, don’t fold preflop ever. And so sometimes I can get a lot of money because everyone bets, but I also lose some because they don’t fold even though they have 2-8 off, they stay till the flip even if I raise for a lot. Mostly because it’s a home game and we play for fun and not a lot of money so they dont care
You should be making a lot of money then. 💰
@@elverdeman9247 I’ve made a decent amount but I’m just not having fun. I’m not playing with them to make money we want to have fun, but they don’t really know how to play so it’s kinda different.
Easy fix, just blast it pre flop.
Excellent video 😊
This is one of your best Videos ever. Very sensible and easy to apply
I'm glad you liked it!
I saw a video from a poker coach recently who said "If you don't know where you are in the hand, just fold." For me, it makes it easier to fold looking at it that way.
In the second hand, even though we are not getting the direct odds to call, is it reasonable to call because on the rare occasion that you do turn an ace there's a good chance you can win a giant ass pot stacking at least one player? And the large majority of the time in which you miss, you only lose that $25?
Are they calling down with a Jack or worse after going to the turn four-ways?
I always go all in on that hand
I would bet 14. I i get a call or raised i would fold, fold if they raise, check back it they check again unless i hit a set I’d bet But I’d be skeptical about his straight but willing
Great video. Thanks man
Glad you liked it!
I'm aggressive but very careful with any pocket pair. Most players will just go all-in with a high pocket pair or at the very least raise a good amount. Some are alot more sneaky with them.
Bet $16
How about bet 4 on the flop. BB raise to 15, we call, Kh on the turn >he bets 45ish, at this point what should BB bet against preflop raiser here with the King on turn? We are behind all sets like 66 55 44, two pairs like 65, 54, or even 64, also straights like 78 or 23. I would consider folding at this point and only lose 23 instead 53.
It took me years to learn how to play AA’s wish I watched this video years ago would of saved me 1000’s if dollars….
But tourneys which I play more depends on my position let’s say early I bet 2 or 2.5 then see if I get raised, if so then I take out my thumping stick and punish them…. Let’s say I get 4 callers I basically trained myself to fold after I bet out, chances are 1 of those 4 callers already out drawn you…. Let’s say I get them late position I bet really big trying to make them think I’m stealing the pot
I bet 8 dollars
I still like how I played my hand, your gonna lose most times if he flops two pairs, can we talk about bet sizing…. Only betting 8 at 1/2 your really asking for trouble because your basically asking any suited connector to call any non suited connecter to call and any pocket pair to call to set hunt….
If I’m playing 1/2 and get dealt AA in that position I make it $15-$17, in 1/2 AK KQ JJ pocket tens all would probably stick around while you put 5/6 8/9 suited in tough spots to call….
Gonna do to Vegas in March for the Venetian and Wynn tournaments, doing a couple $1100 buy ins… if I spike one of those my bank roll will be large, watched one of your videos about not being exposed in tourneys like that while those are my higher end buy ins not gonna break me if I lose… Just won’t tried to be bullied like your video says happens when players sense that.. a premium hand is a premium hand and can’t be afraid to go broke to a reraise pre-flop which I see a lot of…. Good luck
Raise to 8
We have the same favorite hand, Jonathan. Do you agree with me that Doyle Brunson is a donk for T2 being his favorite hand? How can such a person enjoy that hand?
A donk are you kidding me? He won two main events back to back with that hand. Obviously it is his favourite hand. My favourite hand is K8 suited. Why? Because it just flops for me most of the times. :D
Check or bet small
9:30 i'd actually bet $12 (2/3 pot c bet) so between b and c. never check back
How about if you lose constantly and its allnin preflop the majority. Got beat by 102 diamonds tonight. Usualkynits by 1010 or jj hitting av10 or jb
So, all the pros I've seen limp AA utg are wrong?
Everytime my shit gets cracked. I'm just go say fuck it and go all in pre-flop
Thanks Jonathan! Another very well explained learning opportunity!
I'm glad you liked it!
I hope Berkie is watching this!!!!
I would bet half pot but I know I'm probably wrong. I love poker but not very good lol
I think I would bet 8 at this point to continue building the pot and/or force the other hand to end if they don't plan on putting more money in the pot.
excelent video! thanks
Glad you liked it!
I slow played aces and just called everything until it was heads up. Went all in before the river. turned out the villain had 2 pair on the flop and I ended up getting a lucky Ace on the river. The villain had junk but called cause everyone limped in pre flop. Decided never to slow play Aces ever after that.
Don’t you Think that Betting 50% for thin value in the river could be easily exploited? I mean are we gonna bet 50% for hands better than AA that we can balance and shove if they raise?
When I run AA in a Monte Carlo simulation in PokerCruncher, it tells me AA is going to win roughly 80% of the time. Over time, shouldn't we just get all of our $$$ in regardless of range advantage or board texture post flop?
Just had a hand with AA... Preflop, (4 players) CO bets 2.5BB, I bet 4BB from Button, SB&BB call. Flop came 2s,8c,Js. It checked to me, so I bet 2.5BB, SB x-raises to 18BB, BB and CO fold, and I raise all-in for 58BB effective. Is this too loose? I gave him a range of JJ+, 88, 22, AJs, AsQs, AsTs, Ts9s, AJo following his check-raise and plugged it into equilab and it gave me over 60% equity. Just not sure if I got the range right. Thoughts?
The bet sizings you chose preflop and postflop are really small and not the best for extracting value with AA. I think getting it all-in when you did was profitable, but you should also consider just flatting the check/raise especially if one of the aces were a spade. At 58BBs though, I don't think folding would be a good idea.
tl;dr: call > jam > fold imo
id bet the min 4 ,the flop might be too scary for the guy who checked and i want them to think i am now pondering my call or second guessing myself
I watch a few episodes a day of the Cashgame masterclass after just finishing the Tournament masterclass. These kind of video's are a great addition to those courses!
Also the membership is worth every penny. Before I became a premium member I scavenged RUclips for content and finally found your channel.
Great content, keep doing what you doing and I'm sure you win the Poker Personality of the Year again!
Yep 👍
folding AA in hand 2 would be a joke. 4% to spike A and there could be multiple villains w/ a J. Calling 25 into 150 so only need to make another ~$300 or so and backdooring a nut flush is just a bonus.
There are 272 out of 2162 combinations that your hand ever gets better, and exactly how much value would you get if you do hit?
Bet 8
The only time I will ever limp with AA is under the gun on a full and high action table.
Bet big. $16.
Underrated comment for 1/2 players
Unless you go to my local card room where everyone plays like a maniac. Then none of this applies. You just have to hope your best hand holds up through the river. We have a bunch of gamblers here.
Nice! If all you have to do is look at your cards and play them if they are decent, poker is easy. Congrats on your gold mine!
9:33 b: bet medium 8 dollar
You are a great teacher man. Thank you
Thank you!
now on the turn if he has a set of 4's how would we know? the king is such a magnetic card to us. this is why i bet and fold to check raises, why be controlled by our opponents bet sizing?
If you bet, you never allow the opponent to bluff.
Yesterday AA-LOOS AND HOW I TELL YOU uTg PLAYER ALL-IN AND Hi-jack ALL-IN Cut-off ALL-IN iHAVE POSITION (D) WHAT SHOULD iDO WITH 100BB DeeP I MAKE CALL i LOOS 🥺 HI-JACK PLAYER MAKES 444 HOW HE KNOWS HE IS GOING TO WIN ???
check
Check back. This is the single worst flop for preflop raiser vs BB, I think you can bet basically 66, 55, 44 if you have those lower pairs, 65s, 76s, and 87s if I have that, A7s, and A8s with backdoor flush draw. And 98s with backdoor flush draw.
So I has AA and raise from button to 15K blinds was 150/300 ,so then BB called all in with KK ,and I also then call all in ,was ahead until the river when K came, was this bad play or just a bad beat?
I don't understand why you check in position vs BB on 456 but bet in position vs. BB on KT2. Seems to me a nearly identical situation: you are likely ahead, but *could* be beat and could be vulnerable as flop could connect with opponents calling range. I tend to bet both and play very cautiously if check-raised or if bad turn comes. But I don't understand why you bet KT2 but check 456. Is it because greater nut potential on KT2?
It's because on 654, there are a lot more combos that the bb could have that beats you. But on KT2, there are tons of hands that are strong, but you're ahead of, and there's way fewer hands that you're behind on.
In your example even if I had shoved preflop I would have been called by 23o and lost the lot
4 or 6
So Jonathan, I have been wondering if I folded AA properly at 1/3 live last month.
I have about $320 (110BB) effective on BB vs villain on BTN. Pot is limped 2x to villain who raised to $16, and I 3-bet to 66, he called, so pot was about $140.
Flop J83 all clubs, and I did not have the Ace of clubs. I c-bet $50, and villain shoved $253. I folded.
I bluffed you on that hand . You were easy to read
@@tinman00 thanks so much Scotty-it wasn’t you.🙄
Way too nitty imo. This is a flop where many people will go crazy with weak top pairs like KJ because they don't want to get outdrawn. So even if he's never bluffing you can easily be good.
What are you afraid of? It's a pretty clean flop for aces, you only lose to a set or a flopped flush, there's no 2 pair combos here.
I would typically call here. There could be many draws and worse hands that the opponent shoves for value here. Folding is fine against really nitty opponents.
@@PokerCoaching thanks for replying Jonathan!! I have been going over this in my mind while studying, and I keep going back n forth.
Villain was an old Asian man who I stacked earlier in the session when he hit his flush on the river, but I already had a full house on the turn. He *really* liked his flush draws🤣
At the table I tanked and turned my cards face up while wondering if he would ever play QQ with no clubs like that, or AJ of hearts, or KJ. I decided there were too many sets and flushes in his range and that some of his shoves there would include a high club against which I would only have about 55% equity.
Against a younger villain, I would have probably called…
Always split pocket aces! What more do you need to know?
🤣😂
Would bet 8
It's a great hand obviously, but no hand is unbeatable, which is how many people treat it. The more people in the hand, the less likely you will win the pot
bet 4
I‘d say a) or b).🤔
Best Feeling is Crack aces with Kings
always slowplay aces. I don't see anything wrong with it. What about your hand being disguised a lot. Not many people play postflop anyway................
I agree. EVERYONE'S a ploppy when it comes to poker now. Even more than Blackjack. I usually raise a bit then try to put the Big Blind all in before the turn when I have pocket aces, where most ploppies who have pocket aces will try to put EVERYONE all in ASAP.
8
What do you when there’s a $5 button straddle you get aces in the UTG+1 and raise to $22 and get 4 callers 😭
Do poker players ( successful) have an above average IQ? How do you keep focused after 8 hours of play? Water caffeine massage exercise..
Really my only strategy for rockets is to punch and punch hard. If no one calls oh well, I'll take blinds over getting them cracked any day.
Bet 8$ for me. I want to keep all the one pair hands in. But I'm playing mostly SFW players.
6-5-4 flop, I'd bet $6 when he checks the flop
dont like the check back against AK. you wouldve stacked him. Not sure I understand the thinking there. Card was a complete brick?