The Fender Player II Jaguar is BULLSH*T
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Seriously Fender? Why do you keep doing the Jaguar dirty?
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You're right. Fender's really dropping the ball on the Jaguars and it's unfortunate.
Not about the bridge tho mustang bridges should be standard the jag stock one is atrocious
get a vintera II - they're great
As a guy that is tired of fenders shitty QC. I dont mind that they took out the rhythm circuits. Less wiring means less shit can go wrong in the factory. My buddy's jazzmaster had grounding issues pretty much out of the box and it was traced back to the rhythm circuit
EVERYBODY replaces the Jag bridge with a Mustang bridge. (Or better yet, a Mastery bridge.)
My Johnny Marr Jaguar came with a Mustang bridge. It's an incredible guitar
Hey dude!
I appreciate your passion for offsets! But I just wanted to kindly point out a few things.
You neglected to mention the Vintera II Jaguar which can be had used for about $900ish. The trem placement being closer to the bridge makes no tonal difference, Mike Adams has a video where he did a test and found no tonal difference. The closer trem provides a better break angle and reduces the need to shim the neck. the lead circuit is essentially a 1 meg 3 way switch with the strangle switch. The Player 2 just has the 1 meg pots.
I can say I was super skeptical about the player II Jaguar prior to playing one. In short, it sounds awesome.
To answer your question who is this for? I think this is for the causal fan or a person who wants their first offset but doesn’t care for the switches. Which believe it or not, is quite a few people. Oddly enough, The original Player Series Jaguar has been the best selling Jaguar in the fender line up for the past few years…and that’s including the squiers. Overall the Player Series isn’t intended to be vintage accurate, for that we have the Vintera. But considering the new affinity Jaguar that was announced a few weeks back. There’s symmetry between the line ups
Affinity = Player II = American Performer
Classic vibe = Vintera II = American Vintage II
Contemporary = American Professional
Player Plus = American Ultra
Anyways, I enjoyed the video!
Cheers! 🙏🏾
It's not a "tonal" difference. It's a sustain difference.
@@trailingupwards again, I’ll differ to Mike Adams video where he debunked this.
@@JasonTMays He compared sustain from a normal jazzmaster break angle and an increased break angle Jazzmaster? I guess I missed that.
I don't think it matters to most people, but a normal Jazzmaster is designed for the notes to fall off quickly because they lack sustain AND it is designed to be played with 11s or 12s.
6:28 The Classic Player line was a vaguely vintage accurate line NOT a modern reinterpretation like a the players.
The Vibrato is closer to the Bridge because you’re able to set up on lighter strings easier and less need for shimming because you’ve got enough downward tension.
Adjustable saddles suck on Jazzmasters and Jaguars. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Too many moving parts and rattles all the time.
If you want a vintage accurate Jaguar BUY A VINTAGE STYLE JAGUAR. Vintera I or II are both within a similar price range to this.
You’ve completely missed the mark on this take. The point of this series is that it’s a simplified and more usable guitar for the modern player, not a classic vintage style guitar. Fender have been doing stuff like this with their lines for decades, look at the 90s. You could get a telecaster plus (hyper modern) or a telecaster AV52’ Reissue (accurate classic) for within a few hundred £s of each other.
I like Jaguars. I’ve got 3 (AVRI62, JG66 and VM) that are my main guitars. All kept to vintage specs with a few mods here and there. However I also like the simplified look on the new Jaguar too, I feel like that’s a pretty common take?
They moved the trem to increase the break angle, thats why some need a neck shim if youre going to use 9 gauge or lighter strings. I shimmed my Road worn JM neck although I use 10 gauge and it really helped
Dude this argument could be had for ALL offsets in the player II line, which really goes to show fender wasn’t planning on ANY of these being vintage accurate. Which makes sense considering it’s not the line that’s meant to be vintage accurate.
Who is the jaguar even for then
@@UltraZombie those who wanted a simpler model or just an alternative that’ll get similar sounds for cheaper than the vintera.
for real if they want the vintage Jaguar why not just get the Vintera II Jaguar which has everything he's talking about
@@baseballorbasketball maple fingerboard, most people prefer rosewood. I’d like to try the one in vintage white myself.
If this was all they offered I would get it because I prefer my jaguars proper. They have the vin II series, and the classic vibe though. Then you have this for people who might prefer it.
Hey, Jake... Thanks for the schooling on Jags. It looks like this guitar was marketed towards folks that never had a Jaguar and just buy a new Jag, unaware of the complexities of the originals. Or, they could just be like me and enjoy the simplicity of these newer Jags. Good call on the string length behind the bridge. I'm sure you can hear the difference. I probably can't. But, I can see how that would give the guitar its "shimmery" sound.
Best wishes to you and your family, Danny...
Squier Classic Vibe is your best option now.
Absolutely.
is that one any good? (genuinely curious)
@@christopherruschyes it’s worth the money
I had a few and they’re great
I don't understand why they removed it either because the Vintera II Jaguar has a rhythm circuit so the Factory in Mexico is more than capable of putting one in? The Rosewood on the Player II series is Slab Rosewood ('59-62) which makes refrets easier since you have more material to work with than Round-Laminate. The necks are also tinted... I wonder if this is a response due to the popularity of the tinted necks on the Squier 40th Anniversary models.
Because the player series is not the vintera series, it is not meant to be vintage accurate. At this point you just want a cheaper vintera ii
@@THE-CRT I have no skin in the game. i'm a bass player but Fender did the same to the Player II Jaguar bass. Fender has historically botched the Jaguar (and Jazzmaster) releases so this is nothing new to me. Sure, let's remove what makes a Jaguar, a Jaguar and give it an identity crisis instead
@@christopherfidler3019 I think it’s mainly Kurt cobain’s lasting legacy with the model leading to so many three way switches.
American Original 60s Jaguar from few years back is really good. Liking it more than Marr's Jaguar that I also have. Sad that AO60s its not available anymore. Would buy one more and put Lollar pick ups for it. Works and plays awesome, only flaw that had to turn tremolo screws upside down so E-strings wouldn't break.
Jake, interesting point of view, I may agree completely with you about how really cool are a traditional Jag, its probably one of the most beautifull guitars. In the other hand and on my point of view....im always chasing for a guitar that is very confortable to play and that would provide a Great Tone/Sound. I have seen other reviews for the PLayer II Jaguar and the guitar sound fantastic...really good. plus the short scale, the rounded freatboard and the arm and belly cut its very likely that the player II jag will supply a terrific playability.... I hope you have chance to try one...and supply more feedback about it....cheers bro!
Can you still not just buy a Custom Shop Jag from Fender to your exact specs? What do you expect for $800? I picked one up and played one this weekend and loved it for the price.
I don't get it. Either the guitar comes like it did on day one or anything is up for grabs. Including the things our host prefers which are totally one person's choice. I think his ideas are nuts. The bridge was moved because players on average like 09 and 10 gauge strings and the original was made to use 11's. If you use 9s or 10s and strum vigorously strings can fly right off the saddles in the middle of a tune on the original placement. Add to that many players use dirt sounds and that so call resonant chime can start to feedback with a very discordant ring. As for the switch on the upper plate hundreds of guys hate it. It is awkward to use and on dark stages it impossible to see. A toggle or blade switch can be quickly mastered in the dark. As for the colors they were chosen from from American Motors, GM and Ford's color choices in the 50's. So they are not new neither is the idea to use them. But like Sea Foam Green and Daphne Blue they too were rejected when new. The most uncool Fender to own was a Jag or Jazz when they were new. I know I'm 77 and was there in the shops at the time. If you bought one you would be endlessly verbally ridiculed by other players. FACT!!! Were they wrong?? No more wrong than our host about what makes a great guitar. For a young guy he thinks older than me WTF!!
Well, a lot of the Tele models have a little plate instead of the full tray thing, but yes, this is pretty much infuriating to me as someone who still prefers Jag to Strat overall, etc. And the scale length and that switch bit I prefer over Jazzmaster along with other things, but you can get MIM Jazzmaster that is pretty much a JM, too. [Or at least you could used for sure if they are currently dormant?]
Yeah, the ferro neck is less insult to me than the wrong pickups in the bridge. I can understand not getting certain wood for less price more than just changing the sound of the guitar to be more like some other guitar???
I don't know if everybody would catch the bridge in too close on that model or not, because they won't be able to play a vintage one side-by-side to really hear the sound, but for me the BIG ISSUE is still that none of them has a palm mute, even if it's not the go-to thing you need the most. Duh.......... I don't know if I need to spend ten grand to get this feature and the rhythm circuit, etc., but likely I won't be shelling out that much any time soon even if I wanted to.
I really can't stand the look of most solid color guitars now. To me it just screams "ugly wood under here!" Obviously, if I want a vint-soundy instrument; I want a vint-LOOKING burst.
Yeah, not for me. I came close to checking out the Johnny Marr one, which I still think would make sense if I was playing live a lot, but otherwise is more than I want to spend for the wrong features, too.
No, used American Jaguars are three times this amount or something now, and good luck finding the color you want. Might get the neck fretboard you want, but also may be played to where switches and such need replacement and other issues. Maybe I haven't searched extensively enough, but you're still looking at MIM in this price range overall.
Yeah, it's too bad the Fender Player II Jaguar is the only model of Jaguar available in the world.
the quality of modern fender guitars are not the same anymore. i am glad i kept all my 90's squiers, fenders.
@@user-hh7vm7kr4u Have you tried a Johnny Marr Jaguar?
@@VIDS2013 yes i did not like the neck profile and for that price point of course it is very nice but for the mid priced ones i dont like them.
@@user-hh7vm7kr4u The neck profile is what I like best about the JM Jag.
i’m always pleased to see different takes on Jaguars. However, has not put out a jaguar with classic specs in this price ranch ever I guess you could get a Japanese made one if you really want to, but they usually cost around $1000 the point of the player series to bring an entry-level price for Mexico quality and I’m guessing that the rhythm circuit in the added wiring would push the guitar over $900 which would be a problem for buyers. I would also mention that to to make infinitely more telecasters than Jaguars, which is probably also why they get the short end of the stick.
Just pay a little more and get a Vintera, then. Or… get a used MIM Classic Series for about the same as the newer Vintera offerings. Maybe you’ll luck out and get one from 2014-17 that’s finished in Nitro. That’s what I did.
i have an 2013 mx fender jaguar, classic player, hh, olympic white. 850 eur back in 2013. great guitar. my new fender is a 2023 mij mustang. i love these offset series.
i probably wouldnt use the rhythm and lead circuit along with the other electronics however i do love how they look along with the rosewood fingerboard and tuners, what i might do is buy this and replace the pickguard and bridge pickup
the tremolo is closer to the bridge to make more of a break angle.
modern players use too light of a string gauge and it stops strings from popping out of the saddles
Exactly.
One of the perennial complaints about Jaguars and Jazzmasters is that the strings pop off the bridge too easily. Fender addressed that issue by moving the tailpiece a bit closer to the bridge. (I haven't played the Player model, so I'm not sure how different it is from the standard position.)
You usually get the correct break angle by making sure the neck is at the right angle.
And the reports about strings popping off are usually greatly exaggerated.
It feels horrible. Just shim the neck or buy a descendant vibrato. The shorter distance makes the strings slinkier so it actually makes the strings pop off easier in my experience
I get all your observation, but I think you are missing the point here .. This is not a jaguar for the purists, this a Modern Simplified Mexican line interpretation of a classic. If you and the more correct jaguar you have plenty of other models, Classic vibe / Vintera / American vintage... this one is a excuse off a offset to sell different new colours. Now the price point is over the top but hey if you have money like to pay for brand and colour some will get it, and the more nerd musicians will get a squier and mod the hell out of it and be happy.
I actually really like these! It reminds me of my American Pro II Jaguar and some of the modifications/simplifications made to it. I like the single pickup switch and love the mustang saddles. The original jag/jazzmaster saddles are geometrically frustrating. The strings love popping out of their slots, and the saddle screws vibrate loose very easily because of the shallow break angle and low string pressure on the saddles.
I think they did the jaguars right already. The Kurt Cobain Mexican is better than even the American. It’s the best one period
Hit the nail on the head. Congratulations on the perfect summary video on the current state of Jaguar guitars
I have a Player and am ‘modding’ it to have two control plates to as you say ‘appear’ to be a legit Jaguar.
The *tiny* Jaguar font is a weird insult (I know it’s a silly thing to get upset about but c’mon fender- why the tiny font????)
BTW- Squier did release an affinity Jaguar to zero fanfare and it is equally barren
What an embarrassing with the naked oickguard just taking up all that space with no rhythm or lead switches
$200 says they're going to release the Player II Plus range in a couple years. It will include the rhythm circuit in the JM and Jag. I'm betting $200 because that's what the upcharge will be.
I went into my local music store and I played every single telecaster on the rack from the $300 one to the $3000 custom shop and with the exception of three of them they were a write off. Fretwork was sloppy and rough to touch. Necks were shaped so so. Little resonance. Brutal
Hilarious. Got a new American Vintage Strat and a 1975 Tele Deluxe. Both absolutely perfect. Frets, necks, electronics. Setup easily and rarely go out of tune.
they’re sticking with the j mascis tailpiece distance
I hate that distance. I just played a player II jaguar last night at guitar center and the vibrato distance felt horrible
probably cheaper for them to produce
@@NyeJ i don't see how the distance from the tailpiece would be a factor that makes a guitar more expensive to be produced
Running stability was amazing on my mascis jm. I don't know if the distance had anything to do with it but I swear it was so damn stable. It also has amazing string tension. I play shoegaze, dreampop post punk. Maybe it would better for that?
@@AB-lx8cf i have a cv jaguar and i dunno, i really like the length because of the feedback i get and the harmonica when picking behind the bridge
you know whats crazy too the $400 classic vibe has a bound neck and block inlays, that shit costs moneey if it were from fender, and they would get the inlay sizes wrong no doubt
Yeah the new JM II has no rhythm circuit either..just a 3 way switch. I tried it but sent it back
it's a marketing strategy to push people who care about vintage accuracy into a vintera ii or into USA territory. I went the other way and got a demo squier cv for $350 which i will mod and upgrade, but I enjoy doing that kind of thing.
I love the fender jag, it's my second favorite guitar to the Strat, but seriously there is like no good new jaguar options right now. Im not super fond of the vintera ii jaguars, color and maple board is not very jaguar-y to me, and the player series seems like the bare minimum of what a jaguar is. I was super bummed that they never released an American vintage ii jaguar, that would have been awesome.
Everyone wants different things, but your argument is similar to why I'm not getting the Player II Jazzmaster. I'm a Fender/Squier fan and I have too many guitars already, but when I get something new I get it because it's different. The rosewood and JM pickups on the Player II are better than Player I, but why is the rhythm circuit missing? I want the weirdness of a Jazzmaster so it's different enough from my Strats, Teles, or even my cheap Affinity JM. I may pick up a Player II Tele, but my JM itch is probably gonna get scratched at the Classic Vibe level.
The mustang is actually a duo sonic 2 reissue
3:47 That is an overweight JagStang. Not a Jaguar.
Dude, classic vibe
100%, The rhythm circuit being completely removed is inexplicable, let alone the bridge. Its like they made a jag for people who don't want a jag. I don't think it's anything to do with "cheaping out", I think it's to do with them trying to perfect and already perfect guitar
It was never broken, but they’re always trying to fix it anyway.
Appreciate the passion and lesson on Jags :D Now I know what to look for or at least think about and consider!
This is the one I was going to buy. I wanted something much closer to the squire, but in player version. The classic vibe is in deed more correct.
I do really like the Vinteras, but they can be pricey.
Hate this new jaguar...Fender is going DOWN
juan lennon is that you
Thought they would have put a bone nut on the player 2 but no, still the crap plastic nut. A bone nut is not a premium feature, they cost about £7. How can something that costs so little be classed as premium.
i bought a blue and gold 40th ann squier jag its a great guitar but id rather a fixed bridge
At least you're not left handed like myself. Why don't you take a look at what is available from Fender for us Lefties. Not just in the Offset category, although it is the least available. But in all of their lineup.
Wow yeah, imagine a strat with a three-way switch stock (aka the only kind of strat Fender made and sold until like the late 60s)
It's not that deep bro
You right- it’s deeper
It is when im with your mom
Ahh yes… the tried and true last ditch defense against an idea or argument that you know is correct, but you do t want it to be- imply the person is excessively involved or preoccupied with the topic, or they are taking it far too seriously
He’s right about the Jaguar. Its not some far out idea
Enjoy corporations telling you what you should want
the closer tailpiece on the classic player gives a tighter break angle which improves tuning stability.
but you can make the tuning stability great with good set up on the original position
Funny Because I’ve seen ppl on the TDRI say a left handed Telecaster wasn’t even a tele lol.
@@anotherjamesbondpodcast0073 😅
Are they replacing it with the meteora?
nope thats just an additional model in their guitar line. they sorta play like an offset strat.
By far the worst fender release I've ever seen.
not only the offsets which are vomit inducing, even the player stratocaster really sucks, it has bullet squier level pickups and damn you're lucky if you get half decent frets.
Get your shit together Fender.
Man, this is a player series, not a vintage series...
they didnt release the same guitar as other years and i didnt even gonna buy another on: lets cry on youtube xD
its a guitar, the next year they release the same guitar with the things people dont use and the design failures for you to cry about it
the rhythm circuit is the most useless thing ever implemented in guitars. theres a reason no one uses it, only reason you and other people want it is for looks. the best jaguar fender makes is the johnny marr because it does away with all that useless garbage and gives you real tone options. you seem to own a lot of cheap crap guitars anyway so maybe stop buying crap that cuts corners and get a guitar with the features you want and you won't be so mad about it
fender dgaf about offsets
Dislike. If you want real Jaguar with circuits pay more. It does the job with its pickups and tremolo bar. This video makes no sense at all
i'll have to resort to buying dumpy 90's mij's forever, i guess.
I feel that the Tom Delonge Strat is not a Strat because of all the "Strat Spec Features" that are missing on that model. Charging more money for a "Strat" that cheats you out of two pickups and all of the tonal options of having three pickups with a 5-way switch. The Jaguar is doing the same. Cheating you out of "Jaguar Spec Features" and tonal circuitry options. Good job of calling out this guitar trend. We cheapened it up and we are charging you more money for less guitar because we made changes to its specs.
You're not paying the money because it's a strat model and you aren't buying a strat for that guitar, you're buying a signature model that is based off a strat. That is a distinction that needs to be considered.
@@bciecko1 I understand that aspect of having a signature model and wanting a guitar like a specific person. But let's get real. Buy any cheaper Surf Green Fender Strat that has a humbucker in the bridge position, buy a single, humbucker in the bridge position pickguard, and take out the two unwanted pickups. You could even replace the pot and the pickup with the Seymour Duncan one. And you could use the removed pickups for something else. It would still be way less than $1300. I know there are people without my skills that can't do these changes on their own and the changes by a luthier might increase the cost so much that the Tom Delonge may be the better option. Or they may just want to get the guitar and play it immediately and not want to wait on a luthier to do the work. Maybe the resale value drives the Tom Delonge option. If you are worried so much about the resale value, then you truly are not sure you are going to keep it, or you could be buying it from a collector's standpoint. I have no problem with any of the reasons anyone would buy a Tom Delonge guitar. I understand all the nuances that attract those buyers. I am not saying it is a bad guitar. I am not saying people shouldn't buy one. I am saying that it is not a fully equipped Strat, for the money, in my opinion. That is why I compared it to Jake's opinion that the modern Jaguars are missing key features that make a Jaguar a Jaguar.
@@willswanderings6912 I get that and agree on all aspects except the fact that it is not a Strat for Strats sake. It's not supposed to be. It's like racecar right, it's an approximation of the car it started as, nothing more and shouldn't be seen or thought of a car as much as a race car. The signature model isn't a Strat, it's a signature model. Th value comes in that limited run. Now, there could be other features unique to it too. For example, the Cory Wong Strat. Those have smaller bodies. Very unique feature for sure. It's a Strats strat in every other way though.
I have a signature guitar, the Kurt Cobain Signature Mustang. I had the Jag too but way too heavy, plus o prefer a regular jag versus his hot-rodded HH version. The value in the guitar comes from the fa t it's a signature model, not the parts or components or features. You can buy an American Mustang and put a Set out Duncan JB in the bridge and a TOM bridge and it'll be worth a grand used. The Japanese model that sold for $850, new, back in 2012, is now worth $2k. The value is in the exclusivity and the fact that it's made as a signature model and not simply a modded regular version. Signature models have features unique to the artist they came from, especially if designed with and not simply modeled after.
So my point is only that it doesn't really matter what price point it sits at, those that actually want this Strat aren't buying it because it's based off a Strat. The demographic for this is the Blink 182 fan. They're buying this because it is the different and special model first and only. If you want a type of guitar, you never buy a signature model, those are always approximations. You want a Strat, I agree, go buy a Strat, not someone's signature model.
jagwar
yes you have a point because Fender made a guitar that Jaguar fans don't want, but honestly you are overreacting a bit, yeah at that price point there is no accurate Jaguar and that sucks but if you spend a bit more there is the Vintera or the Kurt Cobain models and at a lower price point you have the Classic Vibe.
you have 20+ guitars behind you (assuming that they are yours and you don't work as a tech) just sell a couple and get a vintera or a Kurt Cobain model
maybe the only issue with fender is that they don't offer higher end Jaguar models, and I would criticize that, but at the price point you are complaining about there are accurate Jaguar guitars not far off
people on the internet are right some guitarists can be obnoxious on the smallest details that really don't matter when it comes to playing music. this is an instrument not a fashion trend
I feel the same way, the Jag gets zero respect from Post CBS Fender. They always ignore the real fans and cater to the whiners - who really should be playing something else that they actually like - instead of wasting everybody’s time moaning about the Jaguar and demanding unneeded changes just because they’re too dumb to figure out the switching, and how to set up the original designed ones properly.
You could try it out and if like it, add the rhythm circuit. Offsets are all about mods
You can’t add the rhythm circuit to this nor to the Player Jaguar before it- they are NOT routed for it.
Fender has hamstrung the model
No of course it’s not, but you could just get creative with a drill press. Not that difficult
@@anotherjamesbondpodcast0073 lol @ using a drill press to increase the dimensions of an already routed cavity
It’s always hilarious to see and hear the confident self-assuredness of ‘craftsmen’ who have no clue and don’t know that they don’t know how to do things
If you know what you’re doing and have patience it can be done.
Yeah bro, I think most of us who love Jags were disappointed at this. I am glad people are speaking their mind on it, and I hope Fender are listening. Please Fender, we love you... please do the Jag justice. Please.
It's not even a real jag anymore. No rhythm switch, no high pass filter? Tshhhhh
Fender is bullshit*
Easily could make the best instruments at great price points but are only interested in riding nostalgia and pumping out horrible take down models that are overpriced.
Epiphone has closed the gap with squire, PRS obliterated both epiphone and squire take down models, and Sire came into the bass scene by putting out high quality options that clear the fender “player”
Models by a landslide.
Only reason to go fender is if you have the money for an American made one. Its the only thing they make that actually reflects the price point
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It’s not a jaguar, it’s a player 2 jaguar. If you want a traditional jaguar don’t buy a player 2. These are great guitars.