yes! agreed! The split was insane- 58.04, the fastest she ever came to her long lasting "flat" start 100 fly WR of 57.93. She looks like she is almost skimming across the pool during that 2nd lap of her leg. from her just simply having a prefect body made for fly to her well known abilities to swim long, long non stop butterfly distances without rest and without tiring, she was literally other worldly.
I agree. I wish though that we had a copy of her 100 fly world record that she set in Brown deer in 1981. Unfortunately the international Swimming Hall of Fame only has a tape of the 200 fly world record for view in the museum, And that same race is also available to view on RUclips for general public. That 200 fly race is remarkable in and of itself and you can see why on RUclips. It also makes sense when you find out that or you realize that Sports illustrated named that 200 butterfly swim the 5th best individual athletic performance of the last century. Its remarkable just by the fact that the camera on her last lap has to pull out wider to show where the second place finisher is some 7 to 8 seconds behind her. But that 100 fly swim that she did in 81, dropping her world record by 1.33 seconds, it's really something. But I can only go based on the excellent writing that swimming world magazine did based on that race describing what went on in the natatorium and especially with regards to what she did in the last I think it was 15 to 20 meters in that race. 200 fly race was swam on August 13th and she realized after the fact that she went out way too slow by at least a second and in doing so she really feels that she could have gone at least a second if not a second and a half faster and the 200 fly world record. So she was very motivated three days later in the hundred butterfly and when she touched the 50 wall from what I recall she was a half a second ahead of the world record split. Starting a little before halfway through the last lab She starts to do that skimming type action as you can see in this hundred fly and split of this relay right across the water and then with about 15 or 20 meters left, she apparently puts her head down and just keeps stroking, doesn't come up for air and the finish is so perfect that her hands slammed the touch pad.
Meagher's split here is phenomenal. It was a 58.04. My research shows its 7 tenths faster than her previous fastest 100 fly relay swim, a 58.8 at the '80 US Indoor nationals, slightly faster than the previous fastest relay split of a 58.9 by the now deceased East German Andrea Pollack at the 78 Worlds. This is, I believe the closest she ever came to the 57.93 WR from a flat start she set in 81.
Parker528 the 100 fly in Seoul was the only time Meagher lost a butterfly event at the Worlds or Olympics to a swimmer other than an East German. If not for the enhanced women from the GDR she would have swept the butterfly events at the 1982 and 1986 Worlds, as well as the 200 free in ‘86 as well as a relay gold in ‘82 and three relay golds in ‘86.
@@westnyacktwins I'm completely in agreement with you I was just merely commenting on her relay splits. Especially with regards to this medley relay. We don't have any video tape of her doing the 57.93 in Brown Deer in 81 in her hundred fly.
The lead that Meagher got here for the USA was insane. She's incredible. I wish the DDR would have been there, if only to watch Mary T. stomp them in the individual Fly events.
Her split here beat the former fastest fly relay split held by Andrea Pollack of GDR at the '78 worlds. I am almost positive Pollack went 58.84- so this blew that away by almost a second. (oh wait- Mary T went a 58.8 in her fly leg at the '80 indoor long course nationals in Austin for CPM). If the GDR was there, and under an ideal circumstance of faster splits by Andrews and Caulkins, who knows what may have happened if Mary nailed a legal flying start, she would have no question been under 58. And with how tough Nancy was at this meet, i'd put money on her holding off Meineke, IF Nancy got the lead for free.
they just started that relay at the most recent indoor short course (25 meters) Worlds. A slew of new relays have been added in the last two short course worlds, including mixed (2 men, 2 ladies) medley and free relays, both at the 200 meter and 400 short course meters distances. Before ANY sports federation can appeal or propose to get an event added at the Olympic level, first thing you need to know is an event needs to prove itself as successful/popular with the paying crowds, an event that can be run easily and with great efficiency and thus make a profit, and finally is the newly proposed event, whether it's the race itself or that the race has a particular number of highly popular and successful athletes swimming in that event at the Worlds/European Games/Pan Am/Pan Pac level, a proven success as a highly profitable commercial success.
@@AHC63 We definitely would have needed less sun in Andrews face for her back leg, and if we had Caulkins at her prime in 81 (went 1:09.53 unshaved and untapered at a regionals) i think we would have been close. Also, if Sue Walsh had not missed her 100 back place at these games (by less than .10), as an experienced outdoor meet & international meet swimmer, we very well may have had a low 102 from her.......i realize.those of the back and breast here are clearly "what if's)...
I loved how Donna DeVarona said that Caulkins couldn't accept endorsement money and still swim competitively. Of course, unless you are going to college, you can turn pro in swimming and accept endorsement money.
"some athletes can go 2 to 3 seconds faster than their individual time" - that absolute BULLSHIT. It's never happened - at least not in the last 35 years. Commentators say some of the stupidest stuff. Not only is it bullshit, the 1st American on the relay proved the exact OPPOSITE of what she said. Andrews of the US who swam 1:02.5 to win the individual event, went a full second slower on the relay. Major FAIL.
So, you're NOT exactly correct. We DO have proof of this in past Olympics. Namely, in the 64 womens 400 medley relay, the Soviet swimmer in breast was actually Svetlana Babanina, who did an insane relay leg, swimming a flying relay start swim that was JUST barely under 2 seconds faster than the current listed WR time in the womens 100 breast. (i dont believe 100 breast for men and women became an event until 68). Also, you have Sterkel and Boglioli, NEITHER having a fastest flat start 100 free under 57 seconds (I think Boglioli was 57.4) yet Boglioli in her relay split was 55.81 and sterkel was 55.78. right there in either case, just to name those two off the top of my head, no thats not 3 seconds, but nonethless quite unheard of to drop over a second for Sterkel and I think over 1.5 for Boglioli in a 2 length race. I will further research this, but I believe Anne Curtis anchored the US in a defeat for the 400 free relay swimming 2 seconds faster than her earlier flat start individual swim. This was I believe the 48 Games in London.
The swim by Mary T. Meagher was absolutely breathtaking. The smoothest butterfly stroke we've ever seen...
yes! agreed! The split was insane- 58.04, the fastest she ever came to her long lasting "flat" start 100 fly WR of 57.93. She looks like she is almost skimming across the pool during that 2nd lap of her leg. from her just simply having a prefect body made for fly to her well known abilities to swim long, long non stop butterfly distances without rest and without tiring, she was literally other worldly.
I agree. I wish though that we had a copy of her 100 fly world record that she set in Brown deer in 1981. Unfortunately the international Swimming Hall of Fame only has a tape of the 200 fly world record for view in the museum, And that same race is also available to view on RUclips for general public. That 200 fly race is remarkable in and of itself and you can see why on RUclips. It also makes sense when you find out that or you realize that Sports illustrated named that 200 butterfly swim the 5th best individual athletic performance of the last century. Its remarkable just by the fact that the camera on her last lap has to pull out wider to show where the second place finisher is some 7 to 8 seconds behind her.
But that 100 fly swim that she did in 81, dropping her world record by 1.33 seconds, it's really something. But I can only go based on the excellent writing that swimming world magazine did based on that race describing what went on in the natatorium and especially with regards to what she did in the last I think it was 15 to 20 meters in that race. 200 fly race was swam on August 13th and she realized after the fact that she went out way too slow by at least a second and in doing so she really feels that she could have gone at least a second if not a second and a half faster and the 200 fly world record. So she was very motivated three days later in the hundred butterfly and when she touched the 50 wall from what I recall she was a half a second ahead of the world record split. Starting a little before halfway through the last lab She starts to do that skimming type action as you can see in this hundred fly and split of this relay right across the water and then with about 15 or 20 meters left, she apparently puts her head down and just keeps stroking, doesn't come up for air and the finish is so perfect that her hands slammed the touch pad.
That’s why she was known as Madame Butterfly iirc
Meagher's split here is phenomenal. It was a 58.04. My research shows its 7 tenths faster than her previous fastest 100 fly relay swim, a 58.8 at the '80 US Indoor nationals, slightly faster than the previous fastest relay split of a 58.9 by the now deceased East German Andrea Pollack at the 78 Worlds. This is, I believe the closest she ever came to the 57.93 WR from a flat start she set in 81.
Parker528 the 100 fly in Seoul was the only time Meagher lost a butterfly event at the Worlds or Olympics to a swimmer other than an East German. If not for the enhanced women from the GDR she would have swept the butterfly events at the 1982 and 1986 Worlds, as well as the 200 free in ‘86 as well as a relay gold in ‘82 and three relay golds in ‘86.
@@westnyacktwins I'm completely in agreement with you I was just merely commenting on her relay splits. Especially with regards to this medley relay. We don't have any video tape of her doing the 57.93 in Brown Deer in 81 in her hundred fly.
@@Parker528 I've been hoping someone will post the 100m WR she swam in 1981...
The lead that Meagher got here for the USA was insane. She's incredible. I wish the DDR would have been there, if only to watch Mary T. stomp them in the individual Fly events.
Her split here beat the former fastest fly relay split held by Andrea Pollack of GDR at the '78 worlds. I am almost positive Pollack went 58.84- so this blew that away by almost a second. (oh wait- Mary T went a 58.8 in her fly leg at the '80 indoor long course nationals in Austin for CPM). If the GDR was there, and under an ideal circumstance of faster splits by Andrews and Caulkins, who knows what may have happened if Mary nailed a legal flying start, she would have no question been under 58. And with how tough Nancy was at this meet, i'd put money on her holding off Meineke, IF Nancy got the lead for free.
@@Parker528 That would have been spectacular to watch/see!
I kind of miss swimming in the 80's and early 90's. :-D
No she wouldn't have
'With the east german woman at home shaving their backs the us are the easy favorites'
Relay starts are faster than standing starts. So it makes sense to have a faster split then your best time.
Well Mary T. M. essentially obliterated the rest of the field in that race
I always wondered, why they did not have the 4x200m Medley Relay at the Worlds or even the Olympics.
they just started that relay at the most recent indoor short course (25 meters) Worlds. A slew of new relays have been added in the last two short course worlds, including mixed (2 men, 2 ladies) medley and free relays, both at the 200 meter and 400 short course meters distances. Before ANY sports federation can appeal or propose to get an event added at the Olympic level, first thing you need to know is an event needs to prove itself as successful/popular with the paying crowds, an event that can be run easily and with great efficiency and thus make a profit, and finally is the newly proposed event, whether it's the race itself or that the race has a particular number of highly popular and successful athletes swimming in that event at the Worlds/European Games/Pan Am/Pan Pac level, a proven success as a highly profitable commercial success.
Swimming was better when it was outside , just like speedskating although speedskating there's the wind factor
They barely beat the USA time is the prelims. First girl blew it big time. Mary T. saved the day.
Michelle MacPherson is my coach facepalm
lol same
@@n1khil01 hahahaha holy shit I made this comment 3 years ago😂you on her club?
@@michaelli5605 yep she still coaches
@@n1khil01 YOOO FACTS ME TOO
@@n1khil01 NOOO WAY ME TOO UR ON MY TEAM LETS GOOOO
At 4:22 look at the start for the backstroker for Japan
East Germans, the best!!!!
the east germans would have won easily
andrew paul right....all doped up.
What do you think Mary T would have done with someone to CHASE?
@@AHC63 We definitely would have needed less sun in Andrews face for her back leg, and if we had Caulkins at her prime in 81 (went 1:09.53 unshaved and untapered at a regionals) i think we would have been close. Also, if Sue Walsh had not missed her 100 back place at these games (by less than .10), as an experienced outdoor meet & international meet swimmer, we very well may have had a low 102 from her.......i realize.those of the back and breast here are clearly "what if's)...
I loved how Donna DeVarona said that Caulkins couldn't accept endorsement money and still swim competitively. Of course, unless you are going to college, you can turn pro in swimming and accept endorsement money.
Brian Washington not in 1984 you couldn’t.
Oops. I just re-read my comment. I should have said TODAY you can turn pro and accept endorsement money. Thanks for catching my mistake.
"some athletes can go 2 to 3 seconds faster than their individual time" - that absolute BULLSHIT. It's never happened - at least not in the last 35 years. Commentators say some of the stupidest stuff.
Not only is it bullshit, the 1st American on the relay proved the exact OPPOSITE of what she said. Andrews of the US who swam 1:02.5 to win the individual event, went a full second slower on the relay. Major FAIL.
So, you're NOT exactly correct. We DO have proof of this in past Olympics. Namely, in the 64 womens 400 medley relay, the Soviet swimmer in breast was actually Svetlana Babanina, who did an insane relay leg, swimming a flying relay start swim that was JUST barely under 2 seconds faster than the current listed WR time in the womens 100 breast. (i dont believe 100 breast for men and women became an event until 68). Also, you have Sterkel and Boglioli, NEITHER having a fastest flat start 100 free under 57 seconds (I think Boglioli was 57.4) yet Boglioli in her relay split was 55.81 and sterkel was 55.78. right there in either case, just to name those two off the top of my head, no thats not 3 seconds, but nonethless quite unheard of to drop over a second for Sterkel and I think over 1.5 for Boglioli in a 2 length race. I will further research this, but I believe Anne Curtis anchored the US in a defeat for the 400 free relay swimming 2 seconds faster than her earlier flat start individual swim. This was I believe the 48 Games in London.