I enjoyed Dr. Levine’s commentary on the tendency of teens to acquire unearned confidence that they already know everything they need to know. Reminds me of one of my favourite Mark Twain quotes: “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in only seven years.”
Lots of people are talking about it. But I understand that a vaster swathe of the population literally have no idea of the biggest medical scandal of our time
Listening to your comments about adolescence and the fraught landscape kids navigate today made me a little emotional. Adolescence was a very difficult time for me, and that was 30+ years ago, before smartphones and social media. All this promise of technology as a uniting force that unleashed knowledge for the betterment of humanity and...where have we ended up? In a place where the establishment is making kids feel like everything they do is wrong, and that they are defective and in need of medical "correction." It's a travesty. Thank you so much for continuing to shine a light where others would prefer to look away.
Stella, Sasha, I can't quite put my finger on it, but in a way, it feels as if with every episode, especially recent ones, your contours have grown sharper and sharper, if you take my meaning. Now regarding this episode, man, I mean, what an absolute blessing your two guests were! It's been a while, since I heard someone talk sexuality in such a healthy, downright wholesome way. Props to the gentleman. Someone or something is trying hard to poison the well our kids are drinking from and I'm not having it. Your diagnosis of the problem is dead on, as usual, and dovetails nicely with what people mean, when they wonder, where "the adults in the room" are or why suddenly droves of otherwise sane people pretend to be ignorant about stuff, everyone knew "until yesterday". Intuition is being actively suppressed, kids that are still too young to grasp the extent of their ignorance are elevated to the position of teachers of society, while adult "experts", who for some reason still haven't managed to shake off that adolescent hubris, either, lead them down a very dark path. Great stuff. Keep 'em coming^^
Intuitive parenting aswell… if kids are growing up with text book parenting how can they begin to develop or have a relationship with their own intuition if they are not being guided or shown by their parents?
It is not toxic for boys to learn to control themselves sexually and to respect mutual attraction and consent. I had lots of sleepovers with male friends with no issues. Of course, we're GenX so weren't pornified and talked about sex freely & authentically. If they had stuff going on, they'd just go to the bathroom and deal with it privately, no big deal.They weren't shamed for the feelings but expected to take responsibility and not feel entitled to female bodies. Thanks for the great discussion, I learned a lot!
This was a super conversation. I kept imagining a trans-struggling kid coming to any one of you for help and how wrapped in compassion they would be. Your individual personalities and approaches are,of course different, but my heart felt warmed knowing you are on the frontlines of this terrible fight.
One absolutely huge thing that cannot be overstated is that male sexual attraction in puberty, gay or straight, is usually pretty terrifying to the boy. Terrifying. Along with it comes anger and a feeling of a need to dominate. You have to learn how to control these things, but you'll never get rid of them, at least until you're much older and your T level goes way down. I think many women understand this, but there is also a strain of feminists who truly believe that all of the "rape culture" is purely learned and that no well raised boy would ever have sexually aggressive feelings. Well, they're wrong, and they don't know, because they've never experienced it. It's like having a loaded gun in your pocket at all times, and for months or years, you cannot stop thinking about sex, unless you're super preoccupied with something else. It's why many adolescent boys would really benefit from seeing a male rather than female counselor.
Good point about why boys might benefit more from therapy with a male counselor. There are people who say that no male would ever want to “transition” unless they had gender dysphoria - that is, that AGP is not a thing. I say that male libido is an incredibly powerful force, it is a force that has had a huge impact on human history, for good and for bad results. Libido can indeed drive men to do crazy things. It is undoubtedly the reason that the paraphilias are a mostly male phenomenon.
Yes I think boys would benefit from male therapists. The most fundamental thing a boy needs is a good father who can guide him. I have a little boy. I think a lot about the importance of good, manly role models for boys. From a girl’s perspective, men and boys can be scary. We want to feel pretty. We want boys to notice us. But as teens, and sometimes still into womanhood, we don’t know how to handle that male sexual aggression. By the time a girl is 14/15, she’s probably already had a frightening experience with an adult man.
@@smartiepancake yes, terrifying. When the examples of sex that a boy is exposed to are all violent in nature and that women all expect and want this from men, the natural sexual urges both are feeling for the first time, can indeed be quite terrifying.
It's difficult for girls too. I remember trying as a teen to sort through the messages from media and society about what it is to be a woman. Especially as female power is usually expressed only two ways in cinema -- sexuality flaunted to manipulate males, or becoming a kick butt warrior girl/woman. Both of those are not really women's ways of power. Just men's ways, only of interest because they are done on screen by women.
58:00 the exposure to extreme and violent sexual acts that children are exposed to from an increasingly younger age cannot be overstated. Many parents themselves have never seen what their children are seeing. They likely have zero idea about how to talk to their children about something they have no understanding of themselves. This effects young boys as well, who also want nothing to do with those behaviors yet believe that is what their future partners will want and what they are expected to do. The harm is not sex specific.
Powerful episode. I've been listening to your podcast for some time now, and you helped me to navigate conversations with my daughter about gender. I needed support in that because she has had several friends who were questioning gender, and I had a lot of concerns as I saw this trend picking up during Covid. Now this episode helps me to recognize that I could be doing much better discussing sexuality. I grew up in a household where there wasn't a lot of dialogue. So I am learning and take all the support I can get. Thank you again for what you are doing here with these intelligent conversations.
Excellent discussion. I wish I had had the 'Myth of Reliable Research ' paper to hand when I was having a back and forth about this recently in a RUclips comment thread.
One of your best discussions. You put into words what has been floating around my head in unformed thoughts. Sexual awakenings are so important to adolescence and transition - especially medical transition - absolutely robs people of this deeply profound experience. As someone whose own sexual awakening was thwarted, I can confirm that not having this experience absolutely follows you into adulthood, and not in a good way.
Such an important conversation. It appears that identity is replacing sexuality in particular among the younger generation. With no orgasms, probably no sexual desire or attraction, sterilisation no wonder any reference to sexuality is being blended out.
The comments here are disturbing ruclips.net/video/jeQVIBCvKp4/видео.html Everyone is autistic and trans, nonbinary, asexual... Exploiting and medicating people who have a need for order and labels.
Many children are being emotionally, neglected & not being supported through the very critical periods of development by adults & those institutions that are meant to support them, in our society...very sad.😢 We need to be more conscious & assertive in engaging in what we do/don't do, to enable this neglect in society.
Yet another amazing episode. Thank you so much for your extraordinary work; it gives me, and no doubt countless others, genuine hope for the future. History will hold you up as heroes, of that I am certain.
I am listening and reflecting that here in Scotland ....very recently....Sherifs and Judges have been asked/directed to give careful consideration when sentencing adolescent boys and young men under 25 to the fact that in males myelination is not completed till later Therefore their inability to make mature/adult decision may lead them into trouble.....how does that square with the doctrine that a three year old, eight year old, even fourteen year old an make life changing decisions?
His channel is one of the most complete that I have found about this whole trend of the gender. I watch your videos daily. This channel is not receiving adequate attention, it is EXTREMELY educational and oriented towards studies and REALITY. Thank you so much! Your work is admirable, thanks to all your guests for being brave in these times of censorship and cancellation, it's almost like a dark age where people are burned at the stake for questioning the holy word.
Thank you so much. We are also really shocked by the silencing and thought-stopping in our culture. We hope to continue thinking and speaking freely and respectfully here! Thanks for watching!
Great discussion. I don't remember being "certain" as a teenager, unless in math, or thinking I could outrun my dad at age 10. My intuition at all ages said don't intentionally do anything that can't be undone.
I highly recommend ppl to go and read the research papers in the description they reference. Very comprehensive and a goldmine of related studies in the footnotes. Gives a really good idea what we do and do not know.
That was a great episode, thank you. Really did notice how much the man in the room spoke though, lol. Interesting points but I would have loved to have heard more from Julia. Maybe another time. Thank you so much for these podcasts, they really are terrific. Cheers
Adults have an inaccurate memory of their own childhoods and young adulthoods. Any parent knows this. Now older people recast their story as "I would have been so much happier if only..." But that's very often not true.
It makes me sad we don't talk about sexual pleasure receiving and giving but children are exposed to pornography.I don't think pornography has anything good to offer.
It's so true that so many aspects of sexuality and sex are not talked about very much at all in society. I'm a 27 year old male and I didn't even know until I listened to this episode that women can experience sexual arousal in their breasts. There's so much to sexuality that I feel like I'm learning more and more things about it all the time. And these things are supposedly common knowledge and yet, I never know about them until I randomly find out about them.
The nipples and beasts of both males and females are sexuallyi responsive as are our whole bodies within healthy mentally mature individuals in secure trusting partnerships. Every individual is different regarding their own erogenous zones.
I am new to your channel, and this episode was extremely well done, thank you so much. I am a Geoscientist and have no connections with transgender 'world' otherwise (sorry for using the wrong words, English is not my mother tongue). I just got curious, because although I do not have children, I had the intuition (!) that it was an important topic to know about today, and to me it felt 'remarkable' that so many adolescent and young adults would 'choose' the trans path. I had the intuition that it was involving a lot of things that have happened and are happening today in our societies, and that I would learn a lot by getting interested in it. Your discussion panel was amazingly well conducted, I felt that everybody felt very comfortable and came with some very valuable contributions. I do feel sad for all the young people destransitioning, and I wish them all the best things possible in their future lives 💟
It has been noted that this movement is being pushed from the top. This makes me consider that the primary goal is economic. Moving money from the hands of women back into hands of the male corporatocracy. Males getting the contracts modeling womens lingerie, money that didn't go to a female model. Males getting womens sports medals. Males applying for a Women's health fund meant for new mothers. Economic movement. It's part of the backlash to feminism's successes.
Thank you all. The issue is so important and we are still pushed into a corner by the activists and our children will continue to suffer in the future from the consequences
The sad thing is so many people thinking sexual attraction equals sexual objectification and exploitation, and sex means violence and degradation. We've forgotten that sexual attraction is joyful and playful, like Stella said, and sex is connecting and healing. And the point on pornography, porn imposes sexual scripts on people. It doesn't help you to discover your sexuality, it forms your sexuality.
I was taught testosterone suppresses neuroticism and enables riskier behaviour. It's doesn't necessarily result in aggression. Different personality profiles are likely to react to testosterone in different ways, and result in different outcomes.
Personality will certainley influence how testosterone effects different ppl. Aggression is a risky behavior and not always bad. However, having the maturity and skills to know when and where and which situations warrant an aggressive approach is not well developed yet in young ppl. It may not be developed at all in girls who are given exogenous testosterone.
Terrific conversation! So helpful for a psychotherapist living in Halifax, Nova Scotia and feeling very isolated in navigating these profoundly disturbing issues in the absence of like minded folks. My LGBT activist "divorce" has been painful, but intuitively on the mark. I want to say one thing in reference to the comment about teenage boys' arousal while lying next to a girl in bed. As a young teenage lesbian, I was experiencing the same thing during sleepovers and there were many sleepless nights worrying about whether to act on these wonderful, yet excruciating, sexual feelings. Sometimes these were acted upon successfully, other times, not so much! Being girls having "sleepovers" was the perfect foil and the sex was pretty good, though we never ever acknowledged that we were actually having sex! This was in the mid to late 1960s when there was absolutely no discussion or language available for any kind of conversation that would be anything but dangerous. I used to think of this energy as my 15 year old "boy self". I still do ... and quite fondly. 😊That energy played out in other ways beyond sexual, for which I remain grateful. So many stories! 🥰
My teen brother (and his friends) would dare each other to eat dog biscuits. It was a good thing they were not making serious decisions. Later they chisled off the front steps of neighborhood houses to see what that would look like.
Dr. Julia Mason on intuition: 24:44 "People are operating off their intuition. They're like: 'I think that this would work'. And then they do it, but then they run into the age-old problem of reproducability, right? Medicine and psychology is littered with all of these things that worked great for the one guy, but then when other people tried to do the same thing, it didn't work".
I went to a coed high school. And I remember very clearly when going to the bathroom and sitting next to a stranger being embarrassed about possibly having a big Vagina based on how loud my pee stream was. I also remember this being planted by boys who would joke about disgusting big vaginas. So sad… I can’t imagine how bad it would be now for young girls…there would also be an association made if you were physically big tall or wide stature then you must have a big vagina And boys would literally talk this shit and it was spread and girls would talk about it too. I can understand why some young teens are afraid of their sexual organs growing and becoming more prominent. Imagine now girls having a sexual relationship with a boy and the boy going around saying she had a big vagina! It happened when I was at high school no doubt it happens now and most likely at a much earlier age
Since Finland is one of the nations already desisted from the medicalized cult, I'd hope it involves motivating their professionals and diplomats to share their findings with other afflicted nations.
@@dreimalnein22 a Finnish doctor testified against medicalizing "trans" identifying and "gender non conforming" children citing shoddy research and no compelling or reliable evidence for the practice, at the Florida board of medicine hearings.
The point about needing to grapple adolescent sexuality I think is a necessary next step. We tend pretend it doesn't exist or pretend that any interest in discussing it is somehow pedophilic/predatory. Instead of letting teenagers develop into adulthood, we tell them not to participate in the normal parts of adulthood, then wonder why they're underdeveloped, mentally ill, and/or anything under the sun you want to call their dis-ease. We're just delaying adulthood too far past developmental years so they never really develop into adults. The modern west refuses to acknowledge that teenagers are sexual beings and it is creating such a tension in modern culture. Let them be teens, and guess what, teens fuck. Just teach them about birth control and STDs so they don't get hurt. If you're going to prize freedom in a society, then sane, responsible sexual freedom should be a part of it. Europe has a much better sexual culture IMO.
20:20 About intuition (2). Maybe Levine could refer to "common sense". It is common sense to let puberty run its natural course. The claim that "to be its true self" a child has to be put on a course of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and invasive, sterilising surgery, is a very, véry extraordinary claim indeed. And as Carl Sagan taught us: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". So the onus probandi rests heavily, very heavily on WPATH. Edit: added last sentence. Deleted a blank line. Shortened first sentence. Deleted a word.
If only the female doctors especially thought about their own puberty and realize they know far more about being a girl than male doctors know about females and how they think... and many men transition for reasons largely to do with AGP and the wish to avoid being a man because they are afraid they can't be a masculine man so they flee to a weaker female status which they know they can do hands down because they think being a woman is easier. Pregnancy and childbirth and child rearing is left out of the equation because anyone can be a female even without having the essential brain and body to be a true biological female. A female is not a state of mind. I get so pissed off when gender ideology keeps denying women altogether....
The betrayal of girls and women by other women (namely educated women in gender medicine and so-called gender therapy and in other positions of power) will never cease to astonish and depress me.
The man says he doesn't know how surgeons can remove adolescent girls breasts, while the spectacled lady starts off by happily recalling how she injected a teenage girl with testosterone and teaching the girls grandmother how to do it as well. I would argue testosterone is more damaging to a teen girl than even "top surgery". Giving a girl a deep voice, beard, enlarged cl!toris and vaginal atrophy is horrific.
Yes !! I have thought about this already Why would you permanently take away the God given sexual pleasure in the name of “affirmation” ? It’s so wrong How can we think it’s ok to take away one of the most basic pleasures in life Given in the best loving relationship where there’s an entire body experience- why would we not recognize that we are taking away breasts that not only give pleasure BUT also release oxitocin - an important neurotransmitter and hormone !! It’s so sad and wrong
Pornography is not good for anyone. It is possible to understand one’s good and natural sexual impulses without the ‘help’ of pornography. Porn is not something you can play with thinking you can control it. At the very least, it is always treating a stranger as an object to be used by you. That is not prudish. It is just a fact.
25:40 I find the passive voice in “was assumed to be evidence based” and the use of the phrase “escaped from…” to be very questionable. You (among others) made the assumption, no? And the Dutch protocols aren’t a specimen or an organism that can get out of a cage and establish a breeding population in the wild.
he used that word as one of a pair for similar things. Why don’t you think “tom boy” is a literal slur too? A slur has to be a slur in the mind of the user, he obviously considered those two terms to be of a kind, and I’ve never heard anyone call “tom boy” a slur.
I enjoyed Dr. Levine’s commentary on the tendency of teens to acquire unearned confidence that they already know everything they need to know. Reminds me of one of my favourite Mark Twain quotes:
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in only seven years.”
That's a fantastic quote, thanks for posting!
This is such an important topic no one is talking about. Thank you
“nobody”!?
O Benjamin Boyce, are your ears burning? 😂
Lots of people are talking about it. But I understand that a vaster swathe of the population literally have no idea of the biggest medical scandal of our time
Few in mainstream media are discussing it critically, as critical discussion has been labelled "trans phobic"
Listening to your comments about adolescence and the fraught landscape kids navigate today made me a little emotional. Adolescence was a very difficult time for me, and that was 30+ years ago, before smartphones and social media. All this promise of technology as a uniting force that unleashed knowledge for the betterment of humanity and...where have we ended up? In a place where the establishment is making kids feel like everything they do is wrong, and that they are defective and in need of medical "correction." It's a travesty. Thank you so much for continuing to shine a light where others would prefer to look away.
Well said 👍
Stella, Sasha,
I can't quite put my finger on it, but in a way, it feels as if with every episode, especially recent ones, your contours have grown sharper and sharper, if you take my meaning.
Now regarding this episode, man, I mean, what an absolute blessing your two guests were! It's been a while, since I heard someone talk sexuality in such a healthy, downright wholesome way. Props to the gentleman.
Someone or something is trying hard to poison the well our kids are drinking from and I'm not having it. Your diagnosis of the problem is dead on, as usual, and dovetails nicely with what people mean, when they wonder, where "the adults in the room" are or why suddenly droves of otherwise sane people pretend to be ignorant about stuff, everyone knew "until yesterday". Intuition is being actively suppressed, kids that are still too young to grasp the extent of their ignorance are elevated to the position of teachers of society, while adult "experts", who for some reason still haven't managed to shake off that adolescent hubris, either, lead them down a very dark path.
Great stuff. Keep 'em coming^^
Intuitive parenting aswell… if kids are growing up with text book parenting how can they begin to develop or have a relationship with their own intuition if they are not being guided or shown by their parents?
It is not toxic for boys to learn to control themselves sexually and to respect mutual attraction and consent. I had lots of sleepovers with male friends with no issues. Of course, we're GenX so weren't pornified and talked about sex freely & authentically. If they had stuff going on, they'd just go to the bathroom and deal with it privately, no big deal.They weren't shamed for the feelings but expected to take responsibility and not feel entitled to female bodies. Thanks for the great discussion, I learned a lot!
Indeed. Thanks for your comment
This was a super conversation. I kept imagining a trans-struggling kid coming to any one of you for help and how wrapped in compassion they would be. Your individual personalities and approaches are,of course different, but my heart felt warmed knowing you are on the frontlines of this terrible fight.
One absolutely huge thing that cannot be overstated is that male sexual attraction in puberty, gay or straight, is usually pretty terrifying to the boy. Terrifying. Along with it comes anger and a feeling of a need to dominate. You have to learn how to control these things, but you'll never get rid of them, at least until you're much older and your T level goes way down. I think many women understand this, but there is also a strain of feminists who truly believe that all of the "rape culture" is purely learned and that no well raised boy would ever have sexually aggressive feelings. Well, they're wrong, and they don't know, because they've never experienced it. It's like having a loaded gun in your pocket at all times, and for months or years, you cannot stop thinking about sex, unless you're super preoccupied with something else.
It's why many adolescent boys would really benefit from seeing a male rather than female counselor.
"Terrifying"? Cmon
Good point about why boys might benefit more from therapy with a male counselor.
There are people who say that no male would ever want to “transition” unless they had gender dysphoria - that is, that AGP is not a thing. I say that male libido is an incredibly powerful force, it is a force that has had a huge impact on human history, for good and for bad results. Libido can indeed drive men to do crazy things. It is undoubtedly the reason that the paraphilias are a mostly male phenomenon.
Yes I think boys would benefit from male therapists. The most fundamental thing a boy needs is a good father who can guide him. I have a little boy. I think a lot about the importance of good, manly role models for boys.
From a girl’s perspective, men and boys can be scary. We want to feel pretty. We want boys to notice us. But as teens, and sometimes still into womanhood, we don’t know how to handle that male sexual aggression. By the time a girl is 14/15, she’s probably already had a frightening experience with an adult man.
@@smartiepancake yes, terrifying. When the examples of sex that a boy is exposed to are all violent in nature and that women all expect and want this from men, the natural sexual urges both are feeling for the first time, can indeed be quite terrifying.
It's difficult for girls too. I remember trying as a teen to sort through the messages from media and society about what it is to be a woman. Especially as female power is usually expressed only two ways in cinema -- sexuality flaunted to manipulate males, or becoming a kick butt warrior girl/woman. Both of those are not really women's ways of power. Just men's ways, only of interest because they are done on screen by women.
58:00 the exposure to extreme and violent sexual acts that children are exposed to from an increasingly younger age cannot be overstated. Many parents themselves have never seen what their children are seeing. They likely have zero idea about how to talk to their children about something they have no understanding of themselves.
This effects young boys as well, who also want nothing to do with those behaviors yet believe that is what their future partners will want and what they are expected to do.
The harm is not sex specific.
Powerful episode. I've been listening to your podcast for some time now, and you helped me to navigate conversations with my daughter about gender. I needed support in that because she has had several friends who were questioning gender, and I had a lot of concerns as I saw this trend picking up during Covid. Now this episode helps me to recognize that I could be doing much better discussing sexuality. I grew up in a household where there wasn't a lot of dialogue. So I am learning and take all the support I can get. Thank you again for what you are doing here with these intelligent conversations.
Excellent discussion. I wish I had had the 'Myth of Reliable Research ' paper to hand when I was having a back and forth about this recently in a RUclips comment thread.
One of your best discussions. You put into words what has been floating around my head in unformed thoughts. Sexual awakenings are so important to adolescence and transition - especially medical transition - absolutely robs people of this deeply profound experience. As someone whose own sexual awakening was thwarted, I can confirm that not having this experience absolutely follows you into adulthood, and not in a good way.
Thank you for this wonderful constellation of minds coming together exchanging experiences! ❤
Such an important conversation. It appears that identity is replacing sexuality in particular among the younger generation. With no orgasms, probably no sexual desire or attraction, sterilisation no wonder any reference to sexuality is being blended out.
The comments here are disturbing ruclips.net/video/jeQVIBCvKp4/видео.html Everyone is autistic and trans, nonbinary, asexual... Exploiting and medicating people who have a need for order and labels.
Many children are being emotionally, neglected & not being supported through the very critical periods of development by adults & those institutions that are meant to support them, in our society...very sad.😢 We need to be more conscious & assertive in engaging in what we do/don't do, to enable this neglect in society.
Yet another amazing episode. Thank you so much for your extraordinary work; it gives me, and no doubt countless others, genuine hope for the future. History will hold you up as heroes, of that I am certain.
I am listening and reflecting that here in Scotland ....very recently....Sherifs and Judges have been asked/directed to give careful consideration when sentencing adolescent boys and young men under 25 to the fact that in males myelination is not completed till later Therefore their inability to make mature/adult decision may lead them into trouble.....how does that square with the doctrine that a three year old, eight year old, even fourteen year old an make life changing decisions?
Amazing isn't it, no rhyme or reason.
Only reason i can determine, is a profit-making one by certain industries.
His channel is one of the most complete that I have found about this whole trend of the gender. I watch your videos daily. This channel is not receiving adequate attention, it is EXTREMELY educational and oriented towards studies and REALITY. Thank you so much! Your work is admirable, thanks to all your guests for being brave in these times of censorship and cancellation, it's almost like a dark age where people are burned at the stake for questioning the holy word.
Thank you so much. We are also really shocked by the silencing and thought-stopping in our culture. We hope to continue thinking and speaking freely and respectfully here! Thanks for watching!
Great discussion. I don't remember being "certain" as a teenager, unless in math, or thinking I could outrun my dad at age 10. My intuition at all ages said don't intentionally do anything that can't be undone.
What an excellent conversation. Intelligent, wise, and full of empathy. ❤
I highly recommend ppl to go and read the research papers in the description they reference. Very comprehensive and a goldmine of related studies in the footnotes. Gives a really good idea what we do and do not know.
"Being woman is vulnerable" - and the more men are affirmed as women - woman is becoming more and more vulnerable
That was a great episode, thank you.
Really did notice how much the man in the room spoke though, lol. Interesting points but I would have loved to have heard more from Julia. Maybe another time. Thank you so much for these podcasts, they really are terrific. Cheers
This conversation was magnificent. What a pleasure. Thank you so much!!
Thank you!
This was such a good show. You should just do this once a week with the same group.
❤🎉
This was amazing, compassionate and shook me to bits. Thank you all.
Adults have an inaccurate memory of their own childhoods and young adulthoods. Any parent knows this. Now older people recast their story as "I would have been so much happier if only..." But that's very often not true.
Amazing episode. Love Levine's approach to people & life.
It makes me sad we don't talk about sexual pleasure receiving and giving but children are exposed to pornography.I don't think pornography has anything good to offer.
It's so true that so many aspects of sexuality and sex are not talked about very much at all in society. I'm a 27 year old male and I didn't even know until I listened to this episode that women can experience sexual arousal in their breasts. There's so much to sexuality that I feel like I'm learning more and more things about it all the time. And these things are supposedly common knowledge and yet, I never know about them until I randomly find out about them.
The nipples and beasts of both males and females are sexuallyi responsive as are our whole bodies within healthy mentally mature individuals in secure trusting partnerships. Every individual is different regarding their own erogenous zones.
Fine chat. Thanks! 🐿
Such a brilliant discussion! Thank you
I am new to your channel, and this episode was extremely well done, thank you so much. I am a Geoscientist and have no connections with transgender 'world' otherwise (sorry for using the wrong words, English is not my mother tongue). I just got curious, because although I do not have children, I had the intuition (!) that it was an important topic to know about today, and to me it felt 'remarkable' that so many adolescent and young adults would 'choose' the trans path. I had the intuition that it was involving a lot of things that have happened and are happening today in our societies, and that I would learn a lot by getting interested in it. Your discussion panel was amazingly well conducted, I felt that everybody felt very comfortable and came with some very valuable contributions. I do feel sad for all the young people destransitioning, and I wish them all the best things possible in their future lives 💟
It has been noted that this movement is being pushed from the top. This makes me consider that the primary goal is economic. Moving money from the hands of women back into hands of the male corporatocracy. Males getting the contracts modeling womens lingerie, money that didn't go to a female model. Males getting womens sports medals. Males applying for a Women's health fund meant for new mothers. Economic movement. It's part of the backlash to feminism's successes.
Thank you all. The issue is so important and we are still pushed into a corner by the activists and our children will continue to suffer in the future from the consequences
I was an alcoholic for 20 yrs thought I knew it all. Turns out I knew v little.
The sad thing is so many people thinking sexual attraction equals sexual objectification and exploitation, and sex means violence and degradation. We've forgotten that sexual attraction is joyful and playful, like Stella said, and sex is connecting and healing.
And the point on pornography, porn imposes sexual scripts on people. It doesn't help you to discover your sexuality, it forms your sexuality.
Just want to say Thank You.
I was taught testosterone suppresses neuroticism and enables riskier behaviour.
It's doesn't necessarily result in aggression.
Different personality profiles are likely to react to testosterone in different ways, and result in different outcomes.
Personality will certainley influence how testosterone effects different ppl. Aggression is a risky behavior and not always bad. However, having the maturity and skills to know when and where and which situations warrant an aggressive approach is not well developed yet in young ppl. It may not be developed at all in girls who are given exogenous testosterone.
Blah blah that's all i got from this comment
Where is the link to Dr. Levine’s article please.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36593754/
Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should. 49:48 time to use our critical thinking skills.
Brilliant!
in the word intuwishon is the word wish. we have to keep this in mind
Children questioning their trans identity are being actively and aggressively told tof ignore their doubts. It's really very insidious
Is it possible to put links in the Community posts section., would be awfully handy.
Terrific conversation! So helpful for a psychotherapist living in Halifax, Nova Scotia and feeling very isolated in navigating these profoundly disturbing issues in the absence of like minded folks. My LGBT activist "divorce" has been painful, but intuitively on the mark.
I want to say one thing in reference to the comment about teenage boys' arousal while lying next to a girl in bed. As a young teenage lesbian, I was experiencing the same thing during sleepovers and there were many sleepless nights worrying about whether to act on these wonderful, yet excruciating, sexual feelings. Sometimes these were acted upon successfully, other times, not so much! Being girls having "sleepovers" was the perfect foil and the sex was pretty good, though we never ever acknowledged that we were actually having sex! This was in the mid to late 1960s when there was absolutely no discussion or language available for any kind of conversation that would be anything but dangerous. I used to think of this energy as my 15 year old "boy self". I still do ... and quite fondly. 😊That energy played out in other ways beyond sexual, for which I remain grateful. So many stories! 🥰
Thanks for your story!
Wait, 24 years later 100% of those kids were alive? I thought 100% would off themselves?
My teen brother (and his friends) would dare each other to eat dog biscuits. It was a good thing they were not making serious decisions. Later they chisled off the front steps of neighborhood houses to see what that would look like.
I'm a tech impaired old guy. How do you get to the notes?
38:05 he meant that your socks were “sick”.
Dr. Julia Mason on intuition:
24:44 "People are operating off their intuition. They're like: 'I think that this would work'. And then they do it, but then they run into the age-old problem of reproducability, right? Medicine and psychology is littered with all of these things that worked great for the one guy, but then when other people tried to do the same thing, it didn't work".
indeed, thanks for your comment
57:16 remember the crazy over-the-top reaction to the superbowl "costume malfunction"? And the outrage over public nursing?
Quote by Socrates: “To know thyself is the beginning of wisdom.”
I went to a coed high school. And I remember very clearly when going to the bathroom and sitting next to a stranger being embarrassed about possibly having a big Vagina based on how loud my pee stream was.
I also remember this being planted by boys who would joke about disgusting big vaginas.
So sad…
I can’t imagine how bad it would be now for young girls…there would also be an association made if you were physically big tall or wide stature then you must have a big vagina
And boys would literally talk this shit and it was spread and girls would talk about it too.
I can understand why some young teens are afraid of their sexual organs growing and becoming more prominent.
Imagine now girls having a sexual relationship with a boy and the boy going around saying she had a big vagina! It happened when I was at high school no doubt it happens now and most likely at a much earlier age
In addition to this.. we equate ‘bigness’ to maleness
And ‘smallness’ to feminine
Stella is coming to Helsinki? 🥰
If someone knows when and what for Dr Levine is traveling over the pond, I'd be interested to know too!
Since Finland is one of the nations already desisted from the medicalized cult, I'd hope it involves motivating their professionals and diplomats to share their findings with other afflicted nations.
@@dreimalnein22 a Finnish doctor testified against medicalizing "trans" identifying and "gender non conforming" children citing shoddy research and no compelling or reliable evidence for the practice, at the Florida board of medicine hearings.
The point about needing to grapple adolescent sexuality I think is a necessary next step. We tend pretend it doesn't exist or pretend that any interest in discussing it is somehow pedophilic/predatory. Instead of letting teenagers develop into adulthood, we tell them not to participate in the normal parts of adulthood, then wonder why they're underdeveloped, mentally ill, and/or anything under the sun you want to call their dis-ease. We're just delaying adulthood too far past developmental years so they never really develop into adults. The modern west refuses to acknowledge that teenagers are sexual beings and it is creating such a tension in modern culture. Let them be teens, and guess what, teens fuck. Just teach them about birth control and STDs so they don't get hurt. If you're going to prize freedom in a society, then sane, responsible sexual freedom should be a part of it. Europe has a much better sexual culture IMO.
thanks for listening
20:20 About intuition (2).
Maybe Levine could refer to "common sense". It is common sense to let puberty run its natural course.
The claim that "to be its true self" a child has to be put on a course of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and invasive, sterilising surgery, is a very, véry extraordinary claim indeed.
And as Carl Sagan taught us:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
So the onus probandi rests heavily, very heavily on WPATH.
Edit: added last sentence. Deleted a blank line. Shortened first sentence. Deleted a word.
If only the female doctors especially thought about their own puberty and realize they know far more about being a girl than male doctors know about females and how they think... and many men transition for reasons largely to do with AGP and the wish to avoid being a man because they are afraid they can't be a masculine man so they flee to a weaker female status which they know they can do hands down because they think being a woman is easier. Pregnancy and childbirth and child rearing is left out of the equation because anyone can be a female even without having the essential brain and body to be a true biological female. A female is not a state of mind. I get so pissed off when gender ideology keeps denying women altogether....
The betrayal of girls and women by other women (namely educated women in gender medicine and so-called gender therapy and in other positions of power) will never cease to astonish and depress me.
45:45 are you kidding me!?
Serious and intentional manipulation of results by asking specific questions with predictable responses to produce a desired outcome.
26:49
has this gentleman got his philosophy of science right?
One “innovates”, and the innovation generates hypotheses for testing?
The man says he doesn't know how surgeons can remove adolescent girls breasts, while the spectacled lady starts off by happily recalling how she injected a teenage girl with testosterone and teaching the girls grandmother how to do it as well.
I would argue testosterone is more damaging to a teen girl than even "top surgery".
Giving a girl a deep voice, beard, enlarged cl!toris and vaginal atrophy is horrific.
Yes !! I have thought about this already
Why would you permanently take away the God given sexual pleasure in the name of “affirmation” ? It’s so wrong
How can we think it’s ok to take away one of the most basic pleasures in life
Given in the best loving relationship where there’s an entire body experience- why would we not recognize that we are taking away
breasts that not only give pleasure BUT also release oxitocin - an important neurotransmitter and hormone !! It’s so sad and wrong
I searched transgender on google. While it initially claimed thousands of results, after 16 pages i was only shown 175 results.
"... that kind of crappy young man job ..." ugh
sorry, just being dumb. found it. I will show myself out and wallow in mortification on my own.
comment for the algorithm
Pornography is not good for anyone. It is possible to understand one’s good and natural sexual impulses without the ‘help’ of pornography. Porn is not something you can play with thinking you can control it. At the very least, it is always treating a stranger as an object to be used by you. That is not prudish. It is just a fact.
25:40 I find the passive voice in “was assumed to be evidence based” and the use of the phrase “escaped from…” to be very questionable.
You (among others) made the assumption, no?
And the Dutch protocols aren’t a specimen or an organism that can get out of a cage and establish a breeding population in the wild.
SIssy boy is a literal slur. You guys really need to stop saying it, especially when you pretend to defend gay people.
It wasn’t said with malice. It was an old term said by someone who is from an older generation.
@@chilo8187 Slurs are ok if they are not said with malice or by old people?
he used that word as one of a pair for similar things. Why don’t you think “tom boy” is a literal slur too?
A slur has to be a slur in the mind of the user, he obviously considered those two terms to be of a kind, and I’ve never heard anyone call “tom boy” a slur.
@@matthewbarranoff1092If i call you a genius while rolling my eyes, is “genius” complimentary? 🙄
I’m asking because you’re clearly a genius.
@@matthewbarranoff1092 Considering you just said it yourself I'd assume... yes?